1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the DALM Jason Kelly alongside Alex Rodriguez. 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 3: We are so excited to have with us Bobby Wagner. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: He is one of the fiercest linebackers in the National 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: Football League. He has been terrorizing running backs, some quarterbacks 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: and offenses across the league for a number of years now, 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: and also one of the most impressive businessmen that we've 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: seen come through the league in a long time. Excited 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to talk to you, Bobby. Welcome to the show, Precide. 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: You appreciate you having me, all right. So, as we've 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 2: been trying to understand sort of your story, it's been 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: fascinating to look at some of these decisions that you've 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: made along the way, and I want to jump right 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: into one of them, which is you've decided from the 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: beginning to negotiate your own contracts all throughout. 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: Tell us why you decided to do that. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: I feel like when I got into the league, whether 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 4: the stat was real or not, it came out and 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: it said eighty percent of players NFL players in a 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: broken divorce two years out of the league, and I 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: thought that was like an interesting stat and then when 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 4: I got into the locker room and stuff, you noticed 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: that everybody had the same agent, everybody pretty much had 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 4: the same financial advisor, Like probably eight percent of the 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 4: room had the same people. 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: And these people have been working for a long time. 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 4: Of disrespect to them, but you know, you kind of 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: start thinking like, dang, like they had to play a 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: part in the statistic, you know, if it was real. 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: And I just started to look into what what it 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 4: would look like to you know, do business off the field. 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: I think it started trying to understand. I started interning 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: at different businesses out here, Starbucks, Microsoft being a few, 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: and then I think as I did, that gave me 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: the confidence that I felt I can negotiate a deal myself. 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 4: And so I started learning and researching. I picked up 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: the CBA. I read that I was fortunate to have 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 4: conversations with some gms, and I just started building my 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: network and building you know, people that I would lean 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 4: on whenever I decided to make that decision. And once 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 4: I did it, I've never looked back. 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: Alex. That feels radical to me. Does it feel radical 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: to you? It feels radical but totally. 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 5: Logical, right, I mean, Bobby just read out some really 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 5: unbelievable stats, and it would be kind of crazy to say, Okay, 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 5: I'm going to do exactly what everybody else has done. 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 5: I mean, this is a perfect time to exercise being 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 5: a contrarian and Bobby, I guess my follow up is 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 5: two part one, what type of negotiator are you today 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 5: versus you know over a decade ago when you were 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: a young kid? And number two walk our audience and 52 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 5: Jason and I through how does that go? Are you 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: meeting with the owner, are you meeting with the GM. 54 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: The president? 55 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 5: How do you negotiate your own contract? Because sometimes it's 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 5: harder to advocate for yourself than for everybody else. 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 4: I think it's kind of easier because you know who 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: knows you better than yourself. 59 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: You know who knows what your needs are. You spend 60 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: their habits, things of that nature. 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 4: But then I think the biggest thing I had to learn, 62 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: the biggest thing I think that they fear too, is 63 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: patrolling your emotions. I mean, I think that's the reason 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: why a lot of times they feel like athletes can't 65 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: do the deals by themselves or do it like they 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: need a middle man, is because you know you're gonna 67 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: hear stuff that you don't want to hear, and you're 68 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 4: gonna hear stuff that either they like about your game 69 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: or don't like about your game, and you know you 70 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: have to be able to hear that and not take 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 4: a person to understand its business. 72 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: And so every team is different. 73 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: You know, you might have the GM, you might I 74 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: haven't negotiated with a president, but I know some teams 75 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 4: that the president's heavily involved. And so again it's just 76 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: kind of like knowing who you're talking to and knowing 77 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: their negotiation style. So a lot of the a lot 78 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: of the experience that I lacked, I got it from 79 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: other sources. Like I kind of built my team around 80 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: me that had some experience with different agents, different gms, 81 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: different people, so they kind of helped me, you know, 82 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: make up for the experience that I elected. 83 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: So, Bobby, just a quick follow up on that, because 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 5: this is super interesting when you look at the teams 85 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 5: that you negotiate with, who was the easiest, who was 86 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 5: the toughest, And from a mechanical point of view, are 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 5: you coming in with like I won five bucks, they 88 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 5: say you got two bucks and you split the baby. 89 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: Walk me through that a little. 90 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 4: Bit Obviously, Seahawks was the easiest because I knew that 91 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: really well. You know, they knew me really well, they 92 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: knew my personality, they knew, you know, different things about me. Obviously, 93 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: the other teams are a little bit different because you're learning 94 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 4: new people and you're trying to talk to people that 95 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: you just first meeting. And I was fortunate enough to 96 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: meet so many different people. And one of the one 97 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: of the you know, people that I met was Steve Bomer, 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: And one of the things that I took away from 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: that conversation was understanding your market, understand your value. 100 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: So I did. 101 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 4: A really really big research on, you know, what linebackers 102 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: were making around there, and so I knew what numbers 103 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 4: to come in at. I knew what linebackers were making 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 4: with the Seahawks. I knew who the top guy was 105 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: with the Rams. I knew where the market of the 106 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: linebacker was trending, and the same thing with the Commanders. 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: So I walked in knowing where my value was at. 108 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 4: So, you know, if the linebacker value was around ten dollars, 109 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 4: I wasn't coming in. 110 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: There asking for twenty. 111 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: You know, where I needed to be and where I 112 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: wanted to land at and so I think that's what 113 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: it is, is understanding what is your value, what has 114 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 4: it been, and what is the current market value? Because 115 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: like sometimes that changes, that the market value changes, and 116 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: guys have missed that change, and so they'll come in 117 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: asking for a crazy number and you'll miss out on 118 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: an opportunity to be with a team because you didn't 119 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 4: understand your value. 120 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: So I think that was the biggest thing, is just 121 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: knowing that outside of the emotional intelligence. 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: It's funny, Bobby, I'm sitting here listening to you and 123 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: also sort of as a proxy for our audience. And 124 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: Alex and I both, as you probably saw, looked at 125 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: each other when you when you drop Steve Balmer's name, 126 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, that's a pretty good guy to get 127 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: some advice from. How does how does that happen? Do 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: you just call him up? Or like what's the what 129 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: what's the connection to him? I mean obviously the Seattle guy, 130 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: but like what how does that come about? 131 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: You know, we just had so many different connections. 132 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: Whether it was Amy Hood, whether it was John Connors, 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: we had like synergies and you know, I was able 134 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 4: to make that connect and he was gracious with his time, 135 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: and it's been gracious his time. 136 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: He's still a big mentor of mine, still somebody I. 137 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 4: Look up to and I'm grateful for, you know, him 138 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 4: leaning into me and trying to, uh, you know, see 139 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: me grow. So I think that's one I'm part of 140 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 4: brand Jordan, So you know, I was able to reach 141 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: out to Mike and and have that conversation with him, 142 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 4: So I think I was thinking about doing that. I 143 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 4: was trying to get everybody's perspective. I was trying to 144 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 4: get the gas perspective. I was trying to get the 145 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: owner's perspective. Obviously I had a player's perspective, and I 146 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: felt the better I was prepared, uh, the better outcome 147 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: would be. 148 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to I wanted to reap a question that 149 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 2: that Alex asked a minute ago. But so it doesn't 150 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: get lost because it was a really good one, which is, 151 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: how have you changed as a negotiator? I would imagine 152 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: you've become more confident you negotiated with different people. 153 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: How would you describe that evolution for yourself? 154 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think it was confidence. Confidence wild be 155 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: the biggest thing. I think when you're walking in there's 156 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: a little bit nervousness because you, uh, you know you're 157 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: coming in and you you're fearful of like all right, 158 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: like what if I if it goes wrong? Or what 159 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: if what if I ask for too much? What if 160 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: I ask for too little? What if I don't get 161 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 4: a deal done? But there was pressure, you know what 162 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: I mean, Like there was pressure to make sure that 163 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: you did it at a high level because if I, 164 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: if I mess it up, then I'll make it harder 165 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 4: for the next guy that. 166 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: Meaning to do it. 167 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: And so I just was trying to make sure I 168 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: put anybody who had this thought in their mind to 169 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: put them in the best position possible. So I wasn't 170 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: kind of it wasn't just thinking about myself. I was 171 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: thinking about whatever representation I had of myself was going 172 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: to be the next person, you know, So if I 173 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: was an angry person or if I got mad or 174 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: there was this nasty fallout, that would be the assumption 175 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: for the next player. And so I think through time, 176 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 4: I think the confidence and what I was looking for 177 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: and how to go about it. I mean, that's the 178 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 4: biggest thing. 179 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 5: Can you specifically give us an example. I know we're 180 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 5: not going to hold you to it there's just your vision. 181 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: What are some of the silos you would like to 182 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 5: invest in? Is it more real estate venture, maybe an 183 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 5: NFL team, NBA? 184 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: What's your vision looked like. 185 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 4: I read this book when I was in high school 186 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: and it was really stuck with me. It was very 187 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: interesting because I remember the opening part of the book 188 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: was so crazy. 189 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: It was called forty million dollars slave. 190 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: And don't call me on the exact the book started, 191 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: but it was I believe Larry Johnson. He was in 192 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 4: the garden and you know, he was heckling with his fan. 193 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 4: He ends up having this great game and he finds 194 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: that fan he was talking to and you know, he 195 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: was like yeah, like basically, yeah, nothing, now what And 196 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: the fan basically goes like, well, he's still forty million 197 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 4: dollars slave. 198 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,239 Speaker 1: And then the book goes into like ownership. 199 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 4: No matter how hard he worked, he's still not the 200 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: person that cuts to check. He's still not the person 201 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: that that is the main source of the revenue. And 202 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: I think from that standpoint when I when I read that, 203 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I understood that football was going 204 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: to be a really big avenue for me, and football 205 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 4: was gonna be something that you know, made me wealthy, 206 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: but I knew it wasn't the end goal. And and 207 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: the end goal was trying to get to a level 208 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: of ownership. And so real estate is not a full 209 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: space that I'm really into. I have a little bit 210 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: of exposure, but I want to be heavy into that. 211 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: I mean supposed to venture now. I want to have 212 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 4: a little bit more private equity and I just want 213 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 4: to be someone that dominates all the spaces. 214 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: To be honest, I. 215 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: Want to go back to the to the ownership piece 216 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: because because Alex, i'd be You've talked a little bit 217 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: about this before. This is a good opportunity. I think 218 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: to as you say, double click on this. What was 219 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: the ownership inspiration for you? 220 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 5: I think for me it was watching some of my 221 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 5: mentors like Michael and Magic Michael Jordan, watched them take 222 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 5: the next step from good. 223 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: By the way. 224 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: It's really cool that both of you guys can just 225 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: be like Mike Michael and we just have to know 226 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: you're talking about Michael Jordan, but go on, go on. 227 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 4: We set it up though, you know, we give you 228 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: the Lee way where it's like I said, Brand Jordan, 229 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 230 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: We let you know, yeah, I know, I gotta listen. 231 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: This show is all about flexing. Just ask Alex, Bobby, Bobby. 232 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 3: Jason has taught me to be a good listener. 233 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 5: So I'm just kind of you know, playing, uh, playing 234 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: the next tune here. So I I think Jason, like 235 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 5: in our community, you know, whether you're black or whether 236 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 5: you're Hispanic or anything in between. I think the best 237 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 5: lesson you can learn is not going to be in school. 238 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 5: It's not going to be it's really proximity to greatness. 239 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: So when I see a man of color like Magic 240 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 5: and Michael take that ownership leap, what it does I 241 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: think for Bobby and I it give us an opportunity 242 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: to say, hey, why not us? If they did it, 243 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 5: why not us? And then you start studying them. So 244 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 5: it was early on when I saw Magic and Michael 245 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 5: do it. And then I remember a conversation I had 246 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 5: with my teammate Derek Jeter when we were almost like 247 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 5: teenagers when we first entered the league, and we were 248 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: talking about want it'd be great to play ten years 249 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 5: in the big leagues and like own one or two 250 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 5: percent of a team, And that was kind of when 251 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 5: division started. But it really became material when I saw 252 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: Magic and I saw Michael Jordan do it. 253 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bobby Magic has had a big influence 254 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: on you as well. 255 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: Tell us about that. 256 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, nah again how that same sentiment I feel like 257 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: when I when I looked at Magic growing up and 258 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: we always play I mean I grew up with the 259 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 4: prout was it the prow Fly, and there was there's 260 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 4: a figure that kind of really resembled Magic, but you 261 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: didn't never know because they never showed his face. But 262 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: the guy had you know, movie theaters and different things. 263 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: And so like growing up watching that, you watched him 264 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: firsthand build like be one of the greatest basketball players 265 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: and then he spent that and became one of the 266 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 4: best businessmen to where so much so to like the 267 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: people now in this generation, I only know him as 268 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 4: a businessman. I don't even remember him playing basketball, and 269 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: so I saw that I saw him be that person. 270 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 4: I saw him, you know, do all those things. You 271 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: put all this thing like, man, I modeled everything that 272 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 4: I did after you, and you know, to meet him 273 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 4: and then have him extend his his hand and he's 274 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: been you know, amazing, you know for me and open 275 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 4: up so many doors for me, you know, I'm grateful, 276 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 4: and so it was crazy to see from the far 277 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 4: I'm watching him do all the things that he's done, 278 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 4: all the success, all the people they helped, but then 279 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: become to become a person that you know, he leans 280 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: into help has been been really a blessing. So again 281 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 4: it's it's I've tried to model myself after him, and 282 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: now I get to, you know, get under the hood 283 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: and have him, you know, help me in you know, 284 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 4: more more personal way. 285 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 5: Bobby, can you share one or two advices that magic 286 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 5: is shared with you that has been helpful in motivating. 287 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: The first one that comes to my mind immediately is, uh, 288 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: don't over promise and underliver. I take that to heart 289 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 4: because a lot of people do that. A lot of 290 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 4: people like say I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, 291 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do this, and we do that, and then 292 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: they don't do that or they do either equal to 293 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: it or not as much. So trying to over deliver 294 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 4: on you know, the expectation of what people have of you, 295 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 4: I think that was the biggest thing. And you watch that, 296 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: you know, and even some of his business endeavors. Starbucks 297 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 4: is a place that comes to mind. You know, he 298 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 4: started off with three and that's what he was the 299 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: only only supposed to have is three, and you know, 300 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: he did so well they end up giving him two fifty, 301 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Or I think that's the number, 302 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: and he ended up selling it back. But I think 303 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 4: that was the biggest thing. Is just it was so 304 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 4: small and so so quick, but you don't miss it 305 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: because you know, like a lot of people don't live 306 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: up to their words today and a lot of people 307 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 4: don't delivering what they say they're going to do. So 308 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 4: you know, a person that over delivers on what they 309 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: say will always stand out to anybody. You know, I 310 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: think too is just you know, understand the value and 311 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: knowing knowing where you want to go at So that 312 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: started to wrap my Ryan around what is the value 313 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: and not letting the outside world and not letting somebody 314 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: else set your value. 315 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: You understand your value to the point where you know 316 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: how to make that and set that. 317 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: So now you have something else in come with magic, 318 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: which you've both been on the deal, so you know, 319 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: we're just we're building bridges here. So obviously one of 320 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: our all time favorite episodes. We did it in front 321 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: of an audience at Milk and then he talked, I mean, 322 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: it's interesting to hear you mentioned the Starbucks thing, Bobby, 323 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: because Magic in that interview talked in that conversation, talked 324 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: a lot about that moment with Starbucks and sort of 325 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: how that came about and how he did it. So, 326 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: speaking of which, you know the ownership piece, talk to 327 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: us about Seattle Storm and sort of how that deal 328 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: comes about. Obviously that's very close to our hearts in 329 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: terms of the w We've had a lot of w owners, 330 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: including obviously the co host here it involved in this show. 331 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: We've watched it very closely. How does that deal come 332 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: about for you? 333 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Man? 334 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm being connected with Seattle for a long time, 335 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 4: and you know, I've watched the Storm. The Storm been 336 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: doing that thing for a really really long time. So 337 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: not just like from a championship perspective, but when you 338 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 4: were in the city. They do a lot of good 339 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 4: in the community, and so they've always been somebody that 340 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: I've paid attention to. And I had a really good 341 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: mutual friend. She was looking to invest into a sports team, 342 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: specifically WNBA, and she had an option to invest in 343 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: two different ones with Seattle being one of them, and 344 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 4: she wanted to go with a different option, but I 345 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: wanted to stay with Seattle because Seattle was closer to home. 346 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I met with. 347 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: The group obviously we like we understood the importance of 348 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: the WNBA, especially in Seattle, and you know, we have 349 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 4: really great conversation, and that conversation turned into me investing 350 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: into it, and I think it's been one of my 351 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: best investments. 352 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 5: You know, I've talked to a lot of first time 353 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 5: investors or early investors, and there's a paradigm shift in 354 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 5: the thought process being someone who is an endorse someone 355 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 5: who does commercials and gets paid versus someone who's writing 356 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 5: a big check. How nervous were you when you wrote 357 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 5: that check to invest because you're investing and you hope 358 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 5: it comes back, but now it's left your home. 359 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: Was that hard for you? 360 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: Nah? 361 00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: Because I feel like. 362 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 4: I did my research and I believe in the storm, 363 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: and so I would say I've had scarier investments that 364 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: I felt was more of a crap shoot or like 365 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 4: trying like you didn't really know, you hope that it 366 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 4: and execute it. You know, you did your due diligence, 367 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: but you didn't know for sure, but you know, when 368 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 4: you look at the Storm, you know they've been great 369 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: for a long time, and you know the ownership group 370 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 4: has been amazing. So that this is probably my age 371 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: is check to write. But I've definitely had some scary ones. 372 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: What's the scariest I invested in this like a company. 373 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 4: I don't want to say the name, but I invested 374 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: in this company and they didn't do well, and I 375 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: wasn't confident about the CEO, and when it didn't go well, 376 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 4: I had to ask myself what was the biggest thing? 377 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: And I think learning from that is the importance of 378 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: a team and the importance of the people that team 379 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 4: and that culture and the surrounding of that team, because 380 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: I feel like a good team can can make a 381 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 4: bad product Selle, but a bad team can make a 382 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 4: good product sale. And so I learned that or going 383 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 4: and I wouldn't make that mistake again. 384 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit more, and I want 385 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: to hear both of you talk about this a little 386 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: bit because Alex and I have talked about Seattle as 387 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: a sports town. What is it about Seattle as a 388 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: sports town? 389 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: Bobby? 390 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: You you first, and then I want to hear what 391 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: Alex has to say about it. Obviously, you guys played 392 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: two different sports there, but you're you're both involved in 393 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: women's basketball and in some form or fashion there as well. Like, 394 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: what is it about Seattle that's that's different and unique. 395 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: As a sports town? 396 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: Bobby, I think it starts with the fans. 397 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: I think, you know, I don't know how these in baseball, 398 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: but when you come into Seattle, you come into you know, 399 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 4: Looming Field or Century Link or whatever is called today, 400 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 4: teams know and it's hard to hear. Like teams have 401 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 4: to prepare for that, and that brings a whole different 402 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: juice when you're playing and the fans are making it 403 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: so loud that it's hard for the opposing team to communicate. 404 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: That's just something that just it sends something through your body, 405 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 4: like this is gonna be a good day for us. 406 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 4: And so I think it starts there because I've never 407 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 4: experienced anything like that, because I've been in the stadium 408 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: where it's so loud that I'm standing next to somebody 409 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: and they can't hear me, and that's how. 410 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: Loud it is. And so I would say it starts 411 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: with the fan. 412 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: But I think, as you Expanish is a community, you know, 413 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 4: I think everybody really connects to sports in Seattle, and 414 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 4: everybody's a part of it. Whether you're t mobile, whether 415 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: you're all these different brands, everybody is all in on 416 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 4: sports in Seattle. 417 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: It's unique the twelves. 418 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 5: What do you think, Alex, Yeah, I mean, first of all, 419 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: I think Seattle is a dream. I mean, if you 420 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 5: think about summer baseball being a summer sport, there's no 421 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 5: prettier place in the country in a July August day, 422 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: so that that's phenomenal. It has a very rich corporate, you know, landscape. 423 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 5: And then the fans are some of the greatest fans 424 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 5: in the world. I mean, they have passion, they love 425 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 5: their teams, they love their players. It's not just Seattle, 426 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 5: is the entire Pacific Northwest that you own, which is 427 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 5: kind of cool, and that's why the TV numbers are 428 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 5: off the charts. And then the best part is there 429 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 5: is a bit of a and barbier. I don't know 430 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 5: if you've seen this, of an underdog mentality, a chip 431 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 5: on their shoulder because it is so far in the 432 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 5: Pacific Northwest that when you go there talk about twelve 433 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 5: men and football and probably tenth men in baseball at 434 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 5: the Old Kingdom when we beat the Yankees in nineteen 435 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 5: ninety five to this day, and I was only eighteen, 436 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 5: nineteen years old, I've never seen a more passionate, connected, 437 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 5: louder fan base where Jeter and those guys maddingly when 438 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 5: you got to first base, I was screaming. A man, 439 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: we couldn't hear at each other, that's how loud it was. 440 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I almost feel forgotten about like because 441 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 4: it's so far to the left of the map. 442 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: It is so far away. 443 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 4: When I was on the East Coast, I didn't realize 444 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: it because you know, when I went to Commanders, everything 445 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: was like an hour flight Like New York was an hour. 446 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: You know, everything is so quick like, so we didn't 447 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 4: travel that much. But Seattle was like, you know, our 448 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: shortest trip was like two hours and a half. 449 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 5: Now, Jason, go ahead, Jason, I do want to clarify 450 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 5: one thing real quick, because Bobby can't complain. He has 451 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 5: seven or eight home games including you know, you know 452 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 5: this camp. We have eighty one plus playoffs at road games. 453 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 5: So the travel was crazy. And you're right, Bobby, when 454 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 5: I went to Texas and then New York. It made 455 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 5: me appreciate how difficult it is to play in the 456 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: Northwest with the travel, and it made it a huge 457 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 5: home forel advantage. 458 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: Alex said something that I think is a really important 459 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: point that I feel like I want to emphasize based 460 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: on some stuff that you said already, Bobby, which is 461 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: it feels like playing in Seattle did set you up 462 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: in a different way for your business career? 463 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: You know. 464 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: I think about Steve Young, He's talked about, you know, 465 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: playing in San Francisco in Silicon Valley in the nineties 466 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: really put him on a different path. 467 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 3: It feels like that put you on a. 468 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: Different path because of Steve Balmer, because of Starbucks, because 469 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: of Microsoft, Like, like, what is is that? 470 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 3: Is that a fair, fair statement? And what did it 471 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 3: teach you? 472 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 473 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: No, for sure, I think because again, you have so 474 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: many amazing companies around you. Why would you not lean 475 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 4: into those companies? You know, why would you not leaning 476 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: into those places and learn from them. I feel like 477 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: we have some of the best businesses around. You can 478 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 4: add Costco to that list. So you've had so many 479 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: good companies that have been through the ups and downs, 480 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: that have been through different things, and those people that 481 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: run those companies, if you're fortunate enough to get you 482 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: to get connected with them, they could teach you those things. 483 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: And so I feel like I've learned a lot of that. 484 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: I can't speed my life up, you know what I mean, 485 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 4: I can't gain experience. You know, a lot of experience 486 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: comes from time and age, but some of that experience 487 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: that you can get is from learning from other people 488 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 4: those experiences, and I feel growing up or kind of 489 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 4: coming up around that has definitely helped me understand what 490 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 4: I need to look for in a company. How do 491 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 4: I need to treat not only the customers, but the employees, 492 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: you know. I think that's the biggest thing too, is 493 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: like the better employees and the people that work with 494 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 4: you feel about you and about the company, the better 495 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 4: the experience is for the customer. 496 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. 497 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: All right, so let's do rapid fire ten questions. First 498 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: thing that comes to your mind, Bobby and well Alex 499 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: and I will bounce back and forth. All right, who's 500 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: your dream deal making partner? 501 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson? 502 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 5: One word to describe your deal making style? 503 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: I'm like ghosts from power. 504 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: Well, what's more important? Your gut or data? 505 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: My gut. 506 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: Deal you wish you had done? 507 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: Uh shoot, if I'm being honest, the Lakers deal. 508 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, good one, all right. 509 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: Besides the very cool job, you already have multiple jobs 510 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: you already have. What's your dream career if you weren't 511 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: doing this, what would. 512 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: You be doing? Probably whatever job that magic got. 513 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: Okay, what's your hype song? 514 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 4: I listened to Kendrick for sure, so Kendrick is my 515 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 4: go to. But I've been listening to the same song 516 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: since two thousand and eight before a game. 517 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: And is Birdman Junior by Lil Wayne. 518 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great one. You have to choose one 519 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 3: sport to watch for the rest of your life. You 520 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: like a lot of sports. What's the one that you 521 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 3: would choose? 522 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: That's easy, football, all right? 523 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 3: You rather watch highlights or the entire game? 524 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: Entire game? 525 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: What team do you want to see win a championship 526 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: more than any This is a tough one because you're 527 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: a player and an owner. 528 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Well, Sue, this is storm now because I want to 529 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: be a part of it. 530 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 3: Now, there you go. They got to go through Minnesota 531 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: or you got to go through Seattle. I like that. Oh, 532 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 3: this is good. 533 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 5: I do like it. And last one what's your favorite 534 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 5: place in Seattle. 535 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 4: My favorite place in Seattle, honestly is the vMac because 536 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 4: it's sits on the water, and that's the name of 537 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: the train facility, but it sits on the water. Someone's 538 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: grass so much to do. 539 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: I like being boy the water and so it's just 540 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: very peaceful, all right. 541 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: So I'm said, I'm manifesting this now. I want to 542 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: see Storm Links in the w NBA finals. 543 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: However that's going to happen. 544 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: You know, I have no dog in this fight except 545 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: that you know my partner here. But I love the Storm, 546 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: we love super We're all gonna watch it. That would 547 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: be a hell of a hell of a matchup. Bobby Wagner, 548 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: you're jem. Thank you so much for spending some time 549 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: with us, walking us through your career. 550 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: Best of luck to you. 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