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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stop? Mom? Never told

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Speaker 1: you from house stuff works dot com. Hey, this is Molly.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kristen Kristen. Today we're gonna talk about debutantes, an

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Speaker 1: age old female tradition, and um, believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: I myself was a debut time, you know, and you

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Speaker 1: told me that earlier this week, and I was so surprised.

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Speaker 1: I know I was telling her earlier also that you

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Speaker 1: got to tell people like they've got to find something

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Speaker 1: that's a lie about you, and it's really hard to

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Speaker 1: figure out. Um. I usually either throw in the sority thing,

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Speaker 1: random facts about you, Molly, because in my mind, not

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Speaker 1: knowing much about debutantes, I imagined debutants as uh an

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Speaker 1: my experience, just to brawn your horizons. Yeah, please please

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Speaker 1: bust wide open my my serio drepes. So the reason

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Speaker 1: I was invited to do it is because my mother

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Speaker 1: I was looking at these articles about how much girls

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Speaker 1: But Molly, do you want to talk about how it

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Speaker 1: You remember when she's when Rex Harrison finally presents her

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Speaker 1: over today into especially Texan debutant balls, because Textsan debutantes

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