1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: Full Conto. Polly lives in Morningside, a quiet and afflute 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: neighborhood that buds up against the Lanta Botanical Garden. In 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: May twenty twenty one, his wife sends him on an 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: air and less than two miles away in Buckhead. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: It was the first day of really nice warm weather. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: It was the week after schools had let out, and 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, my kids were driving me nuts at at home, 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: and my wife said, before you do something you know 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: that you'll regret. Well, why don't you go to home 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: depot and get some potting soil. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: This home depot is part of a mixed use development 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: called Lindbergh. Next to the store's entrance is an apartment 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: complex called The Peninsula, boasting a rooftop pool, and on 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: this night, it's the place to be. A party invite 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 3: on Instagram lures about two hundred people to that rooftop. 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: As I'm driving in, I mean, there are kids everywhere. 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: They're they're wearing bathing suits, they've got beach balls, they've 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: got towels. 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Typically this would be a rather wholesome sight in Atlanta, 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: but again. This school party is taking place in twenty 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: twenty one in Georgia. All adults ages sixteen and up 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: have just become eligible for the COVID nineteen vaccine. 24 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: And I thought, boy, I hope that somebody is watching 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: out for these kids, because there's a lot of young 26 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: people here and there was a kind of pent up 27 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: energy throughout, you know, the entire pandemic. People were stuck 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: in their houses, they couldn't go out, and this was 29 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: clearly like a you know, re free kind of a mentality. 30 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: So Polly is in line in the Home Depots garden Center, 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 1: potting soil in hand when you hears some loud, popping 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: noises coming from outside the store. 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: It's gunshots. So Polly waits until the gunfire dies down. 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: Then he walks out into the parking lot and calls 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: nine one. 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: To one. 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 5: And I said, I will want emergency at forty seven 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 5: zero eighty was sad Or said the emergency. Yeah, I'm 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 5: at the home Depot in Lindbergh and there's gunfire here 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 5: in number black nails running through the parking lot. 41 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: The rooftop hoole party has broken out into a fight. 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: But TAPOLLI doesn't know that there was. 43 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: No security at the Peninsula that was stopping anyone from 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: going in. Pushing and shoving match between a couple guys 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: spills over into the lobby, that spilled over into the 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: parking lot. They ran for their guns in their cars 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: started shooting at each other. 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 5: I see four kids, I call them kids. They're probably 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: in their twenty just ran away from the parking lot 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: of the Peninsula apartment building right at that time. 51 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: It turns out that some of the young people who 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: were running across the parking lot that were trying to 53 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: get away from the initial gunfire were actually part of 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: the altercation. And a car come blazing out of the 55 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: garage of the Peninsula and stops, and the shots. 56 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 5: I think came from the parking garage that's there. I 57 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 5: count one, two, three, four, five, sixty seven. 58 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: One of the guy in the passenger seat kicks the 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: door open, pulls out of forty five and just starts 60 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: firing randomly. 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: Is that of a gun out of a gun out 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 5: of a car? 63 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 6: They start shooting back. 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: I heard like two bullets whiz right past my year, 65 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: which is a very creepy sound. 66 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: Time to Poullie watches as a bullet lodges itself in 67 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: his forearm, shattering a bone. 68 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 6: Back here in Georgia. 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 7: Man says he was in the wrong place at the 70 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 7: wrong time when he was shot outside a home. 71 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Depots that shouldn't happen in Lindbergh and this Fox five report, 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: one of his first interviews about the incident, to Polly 73 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: stresses that his story shouldn't alarm viewers. 74 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 8: So Polly says, although we are seeing a spike, crime 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 8: is not where it once was ten to fifteen years ago. 76 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: He, of all people would know. 77 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: I'm professor of Criminal Justice and Criminology at the Andrew 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: Young School of Policy Studies at Georgia State University. 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: To Paulli has studied street violence and the attitudes of 80 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: those who perpetrate it since the year two thousand. He 81 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: does so by actually interviewing those who commit crimes to 82 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: better understand why. 83 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: I work in a lot of the neighborhoods that are 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: traditionally viewed as quote unquote problematic. I'm going to use 85 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: the quote unquote thing because I keep one to remind 86 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: people these are actually neighborhoods where people live on a 87 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: daily basis, and not everyone who lives in these places. 88 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 6: Are criminals or gang members. 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: But clearly there are issues in these neighborhoods, and the 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: behaviors that you see amongst individuals in those neighborhoods is 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: just the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole bunch 92 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: of other stuff that we should be focused on. 93 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: His research is meant to offer a nuanced understanding of 94 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: why street violence happens in Atlanta. But after he was 95 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: shot at that home depot, no matter how many times 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: he insisted that he was simply at the wrong place, 97 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: wrong time, the irony of a scholar who studies violent 98 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: crime becoming a victim of violent crime made it's probably 99 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: an unwitting symbol for how even Atlanta's richest neighborhood wasn't safe. 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: That neighborhood is Buckhead. 101 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 9: The increased violence sparking call from an Atlanta neighborhood to 102 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 9: break free from the city amid a surgeon crime. 103 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: At the time, there was a small, increasingly vocal movement 104 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: for Buckhead to secede from the city of Atlanta. It 105 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: was spearheaded by Bill White, a New York transplant who 106 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: had relocated in twenty eighteen. 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 7: We are going to be forming Buckhead City. We are 108 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 7: going to establish our new police force, and we're going 109 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 7: to bring Buckhead City back to safety and prosperity. And 110 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 7: that's the best way that we can honor the sacrifices 111 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 7: that are going on in our beautiful community. 112 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: White said that he represented residents who felt they weren't 113 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: seeing much of a return for their taxpayer dollars, not 114 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: in their public schools, public works, or crucially, their police force. 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 3: White supporters argued that Buckhead needed its own police force 116 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: to eradicate crime. 117 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: A couple things happened that really irked me, and that 118 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: was that some of these Buckhead secessionists started using me 119 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: as an example and saying, oh, look, you know, here's 120 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: this white, middle aged professor who lives in a nice name, 121 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: and if it could happen to him, it could happen 122 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: to anyone, but. 123 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: To Polly has done the research in Atlanta, the odds 124 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: of something like this happening to someone like him are minuscule. 125 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: So if you're young, if you're black, if you're male, 126 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: this is the number one way you die between the 127 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: ages of fourteen and twenty four. 128 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 6: That's where the emphasis should really be. 129 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the people in Buckhead aren't the ones that 130 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: should be complaining about violence is the people live in 131 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: South Atlanta, because that's where the homicides take place, that's 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: where the murders take place. And if you want to 133 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: talk about your tax dollars not providing you a return 134 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: on investment in safety, it's the people who are in 135 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: South Atlanta. And make no mistake, you may be poor, 136 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: but you're still paying taxes if you live down there. 137 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: That's been the case for a long time. Tapolli says 138 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: that between the mid nineties and late two thousands, when 139 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Housing Authority raised Jonesborough's South and all of 140 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: the city's other housing projects, police figured that crime would disperse. 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: But that's not what happened. 142 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: One of the things that I warned the police department 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: about was, Hey, they're getting rid of all the public housing, 144 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: and you guys think that these folks are going to 145 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: move to you know, Clinton County and College Park and 146 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: all that, but a lot of them are going to 147 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: end up in Cleveland Avenue. And there are already guys 148 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: there on Cleveland Avenue doing their own business, selling their 149 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: own stuff, you know, in their own. 150 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 6: Sort of provincial gang sets. 151 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: And it's going to create some violence there, and they 152 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: kind of poop pooed and said, na, na, No, they're 153 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: all going to disperse and we're going to fix the 154 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: crime problem in Atlanta by doing this. 155 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 6: Turns out they were wrong. 156 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: What exactly is gang activity like in Georgia neighborhoods like 157 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: Cleveland Avenue. 158 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Experts say it's unlike what you've heard about gangs before. 159 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: And police argue that young folks stance in the city 160 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: shows just how complicated these dynamics are. 161 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm music journalist Christina. 162 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: Lee, and I'm crime and politics reporter George Cheaty. 163 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: This is King's slime. 164 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: The prosecution of Young Thug and Yazel. You probably know 165 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: about Bloods and Crips, two rival street gangs that started 166 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. Both gangs have a presence in Atlanta, 167 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: and they operate in sets. There's no such thing as 168 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: a generic Blood or Crip. Gang members belong to groups 169 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: like the Piru Bloods or the Roman Sixties Crips, which 170 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: then have local chapters. Atlanta has lots of gang sets 171 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: with roots in New York, Chicago and other places Gangster Disciples, 172 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: six Money, Murder, nine Tray, But gang life in Atlanta 173 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: is different. Here are two views, the inside perspective. 174 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 10: Chuck c from the Throwback Boys Atlanta's South Side Zone 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 10: three jone Borough. 176 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: South, and the law enforcement I'm. 177 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 11: Investigator Kimberly Underwood been again to take for the last 178 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 11: fourteen years. 179 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 12: Here that Alena Police apartment. 180 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: First, a man who has led a full life. His 181 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: real name is Emery Cordell Carter, but he still goes 182 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: by his rapp bilias Chucksy. For interview, he has on 183 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: a black Miami heat cap, square glasses, and a Chris 184 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: White polo shirt buttoned all the way up. A goal 185 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: tooth flashes when he smiles. In his home stadio, he's 186 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: flanked by photos and memorabilia of a Throwback Boys, his 187 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: Atlanta rap group that found some regional success in the 188 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: early two thousands. Their signature song was called Stacks on 189 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Deck Deck. 190 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 10: There's a lot of people in the record business, but 191 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 10: they haven't made a record right so this was our 192 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 10: record right here. 193 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: But he's also surrounded by the more pedestrian trappings of 194 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: the North Carolina suburb he now calls home. A store 195 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: b painted sign is propped up next to a lava lamp. 196 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: It reads Live, Laugh, Love. 197 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 4: What I live, live, love and laugh. 198 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: And the words faith and love are spelled out in 199 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: block letters over a window. 200 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: Chuckxy used to be a gangster dealing drugs in the street. 201 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: He's a street minister now. 202 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 10: I'm fifty, right, So I got a long history, right. 203 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 10: I used to be, you know, heavy in the streets. 204 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 10: That's why I do street ministry because you know, God 205 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 10: brought me out of streets just to send me back 206 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 10: to the streets to let the other people know that 207 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 10: they can come out too. 208 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: He's grown into a keen observer not just of the street, 209 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: but of Atlanta's musical legacy. He also co hosts a 210 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: podcast called Atlanta Rap History, which makes him uniquely qualified 211 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: to speak on the issues we are delving into and 212 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: one of the few people who feel safe doing it 213 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: because I'm out of it. 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: Detective Underwood, however, is still very much in the middle 215 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: of it. 216 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 11: I was one of the hand selected people that were 217 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 11: volunteered to come over here and handled this problem back 218 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 11: in two thousand. 219 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 12: Who volunt told you, Uh, the commander's here at the 220 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 12: Atlanta Police Department. 221 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 11: Like, I grew up in Atlanta, but I had no 222 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 11: idea what gangs were so I had to learn because 223 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 11: I didn't know. 224 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 4: Okay, I've never work. 225 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: Weird Atlanta's police headquarters in the office of Captain Ralph Wolford, 226 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 3: Assistant commander of the Special Enforcement Section of the Atlanta 227 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: Police that includes the city's gang unit. While we're getting 228 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 3: settled in the room, we noticed a poster board attached 229 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: to a filing cabinet behind us in the credit room. 230 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: It has the names and background details of six gang members. 231 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: I recognized two of the names from the FNNYSL indictments. 232 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: And the fact they got Kilvin wants on a thing 233 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: speaks too to know is what they're private, that's not 234 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: that's been there forever, and they didn't just put that up. 235 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: That's interesting as hell. In the late nineties, Detective Underwood 236 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: joined APD is a beat cop in Atlanta's Police Zone three, 237 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: which includes Cleveland Avenue. She didn't move to the department's 238 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: fledgling gang unit as a detective in two thousand and nine. 239 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: Underwood knows the city's gang history well and how it 240 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: has captured the public's attention. 241 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 11: Back in the eighties, when the crack epidemic hid Atlanta, 242 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 11: we had gangs that came together but they were drug gangs. 243 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 12: So BML was one of the biggest. 244 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 11: Groups that came to Atlanta and it was mainly the 245 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 11: drug sales. 246 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: BMF the Black Mafia Family, was a notorious cocaine gang 247 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: that started in Detroit by the nineties and it made 248 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: its way to Atlanta. 249 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 11: They came together to sell drugs and they might do 250 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 11: stuff like the prostitution or the look. 251 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 12: Of houses, or the gambling or whatever. 252 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 11: But the violence actually started from our groups. 253 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 12: In Atlanta. 254 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: Around the crack eponemic, BMF formed a promotional agency and 255 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: music label called BMF Entertainment. It was connected with artists 256 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: like jay z Ti and Young Gez before the DEA 257 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: broke it up and arrested its leaders in two thousand 258 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: and five. At its height, BMF brought elephants, tigers, and 259 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: ice sculptures to its club parties. The agency would also 260 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: literally advertise its services with billboards that read the world 261 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: as BMFS. But most of Atlanta street gangs aren't quite 262 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: this flashy or disconnected. 263 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 12: We look at hybrids mostly. 264 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 11: Back when I started in two thousand and nine, most 265 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 11: of my hybrid gangs were from different parts of Atlanta. 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 12: May it be back when we had public housing. We 267 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 12: had like the. 268 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 11: Boring Homes or the Mechanicsville or Carver homes. Each of 269 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 11: those neighborhood had hybrid games, which were mainly neighborhood based 270 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 11: groups that came together and sometimes they call themselves a 271 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 11: gang and sometimes they didn't, but we, you know, looked 272 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 11: at them as games because they were doing the criminal 273 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 11: gang activity. 274 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: What exactly were we talking about when we're talking about 275 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: a hybrid gang? 276 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 12: Non traditional? 277 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 11: Our traditional games been around since gag ships started back 278 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 11: in the sixties seventies. What happen your crypt bloods, vice lords, 279 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 11: you know, all the traditional games, So they're not traditional. 280 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 11: So that's why we call them non traditional hybrid, meaning 281 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 11: that they don't have the same rules regulations. 282 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 12: Sometimes colors, like traditional games. 283 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 11: Are not going to mix and match identifiers, which hybrids will. 284 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 11: The hybrids and the non traditional a little bit more 285 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 11: reckless because they don't have that leadership. 286 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: Police sing Zone three is full of different hybrid gangs. 287 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 11: A lot of our blood sets here derived from the 288 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 11: United Blood Nation out of New York, New Jersey. 289 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 12: So we have our Sex Money, Murder. 290 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 11: Bloods Our nine Trey bloods Our one to eight trays 291 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 11: and all that. So to me, Atlanta is dominated by 292 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,479 Speaker 11: bloodscripts are very. 293 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: Far and few that dominations even impacted. How Locals like 294 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: Chuck c refer to Cleveland Avenue. 295 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 10: In the City of Atlanta, south Side Zone three Cleveland. 296 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 4: Avenue, Cleveland Avenue. Yes, yeah, that's real. 297 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: Like people walk around, I mean they talk about Cleveland Avenue. 298 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: They call it Cleveland Avenue. 299 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: Yes. 300 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 10: From I seventy five to Jonesboro Road, that part of 301 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 10: Cleveland Avenue will be called Cleveland. Now tell us white 302 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 10: because it's dominated by blood sets, and bloods don't use 303 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 10: the word see, they use the word b. So they 304 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 10: replace anything that starts with the sea Cleveland. Now they 305 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 10: replace it with the beat Bleveland. 306 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 6: Now. 307 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: The Fulham County District Attorney Fannie Willis used the term 308 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: Bleveland herself in a press conference about this case. 309 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 8: Me and the mayor and the police chief have talked 310 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 8: about the fact that Cleveland in our community is referred 311 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 8: to as Cleveland, that it is somewhere where just violence occurs, 312 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 8: where they're marking up territory as blood territory is horrible. 313 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: Just before bloods came to dominate Atlanta, though police say 314 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: that a hybrid gang named Raised on Cleveland or Rock 315 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: Crew emerged in Zone three. 316 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 11: So I do know that the safe mindy murdered blood 317 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 11: sits it go over to Cleveland and organize my Rock 318 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 11: Crew members. 319 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: When discussing Atlanta's story gang history, that Rock Crew is 320 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: where Young Thug fits into all this. There's a YouTube 321 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: video from the same year Detective Underwood joined the APD 322 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: Gang Unit two thousand and nine. 323 00:16:59,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 13: Look. 324 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: It shows an adolescent named Little Jeff hanging out with 325 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: a group of friends in the parking lot of a 326 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: city park. Little Jeff sits on the dented hood of 327 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: what appears to be a silver Ford escort. 328 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 13: Good Jeff. 329 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 3: Right, In case you missed that, Little Jeff's friends call 330 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: him the King of White Boy Swaggon for his clothing choices. 331 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: In the video, will Jeff is wearing tight jeans, sat 332 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: down low in a red varsity jacket with white sleeves 333 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: that reads BAMA on the left side of his chest. 334 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 3: His smile flashes a mouthful of crooked teeth before he 335 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: starts his retort. 336 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 6: Know, take camera fall and he. 337 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 8: Don't got to kill it. 338 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: Little Jeff is Jeffrey Williams before he would take the 339 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: name Young Thug. The camera pans over to another man 340 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: in the group, sitting on a stone wall on the 341 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: edge of a playground. 342 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 10: Yeah, we died every day, right hill Man? 343 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 4: Did you catch that? 344 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: He said? Of the Rock Crew. Chuck Cy, Atlanta Police, 345 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: and the District Attorney's indictment all say that young thugs. 346 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: Gang ties go back to his teenage years when Detective 347 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: Underwood first encountered him. 348 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 12: He was a young thug when I met him. He 349 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 12: was Jeffrey Williams. He was a part of a hybrid game, 350 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 12: Rock Crew. 351 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 3: Detective Underwood says the gang unit would follow Rock Crew closely. 352 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 11: Back when I started the investigations, we had a lot 353 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 11: of ATM thefts around the Cleveland Avenue neighborhood. We knew 354 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 11: for a fact that Rock Crew were in both, and 355 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 11: uh it's rumors that you know, they used the proceeds 356 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 11: from the actual uh ATM thefts to get into the 357 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 11: studio and blow up so that the chrominal activity starts, 358 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 11: and then they build their way up because you have 359 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 11: to put money into. 360 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 12: The studios to actually, you know, become rappers for. 361 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: What it's worth. That is what I've heard in past 362 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: interviews I've done with Dune Deal. He told me that 363 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: he wouldn't charge Young Thug for studio time off Spring Street. 364 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: That's how much Done Deal believed in his potential. Regardless, 365 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Young Thug's early mixtape output would boast those same affiliations 366 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: that Investigator Underwood found in song after song Jungle off 367 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: a debut mixtape. I came from Nothing, Rock Crew, Zan 368 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: Man Rock achieve. 369 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 6: Rat your beat like go Rock Crew. 370 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: Harley Curtains, go harder than y'all rock? What's pad with 371 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: that our bars? Then you'll make my time? And in Stoner, 372 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: that breakout radio hit that he recorded with Done Deal 373 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: from episode. 374 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 11: One front of What's r O Bam Lewie. 375 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: R ob in this song is referring to Rock Crew 376 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: when they were calling themselves raised on Bleevelingdon SMM is 377 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: sex money murder? Why s L is what we're talking 378 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 3: about now? All of them, please say, for gangs, and 379 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: all of them are allegedly Bloods affiliated. Chuxy doesn't just 380 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 3: understand street life. He's lived it. He's not just an 381 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: expert on Atlanta rap history either, He's a part of it. 382 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: And on top of all of that, he's intertwined in 383 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: Young Thuck's personal story. 384 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 10: I knew him as a kid, his lile jeff right, 385 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 10: because his dad is my friend. 386 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 4: His dad is a close friend of mine. 387 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: In fact, Young Thug's dad, Jeffrey Williams Sr. Used to 388 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: be a road manager for the Throwback Boys, and Chuck 389 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: was tight with the whole family. 390 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 10: I actually lived with them at a certain amount of time. 391 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 10: And he was a kid, and he wanted to get 392 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 10: into this rap thing. You know, if you look back 393 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 10: at the pictures right, you could see that he was 394 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 10: just a regular average kid. But once he started making music, 395 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 10: people started to gravitate tours. 396 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: That house was packed to the brim. Young Thug is 397 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: one of eleven siblings. 398 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 10: When I was staying over there, he was probably about 399 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 10: ten or eleven. Most street people are naturally good guys, 400 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 10: and most street people are especially good guys in the 401 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 10: house around their mom. 402 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: So my relationship with him was a lot of in 403 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 4: the house around the mom. So he was a very 404 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 4: very good kid, you know, bright. 405 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 10: Kid, mischievous once he got outside and got with his friends, 406 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 10: but for the most part, he was a good guy. 407 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: Yeh. 408 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: By then, Trouble had also found the younger Jeffrey Williams, 409 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: or he found trouble. He told Rolling Stone magazine in 410 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Quote, I was going to school, so my 411 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: dad and mom would keep buying me clothes. But when 412 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: I got out, I did what I wanted to do, 413 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: fighting all kinds of stuff unquote. In that same interview, 414 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: young Thug claimed he got into a fight with a 415 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: teacher at his middle school and broke the teacher's arm 416 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: took his ass out because he asked, He's quoted as saying. 417 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: He says he was kicked out of middle school and 418 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: spent the next four years in a juvenile detention facility 419 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: from seven am until six in the evening, and that 420 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: he was out in the streets by the time he 421 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: was eight or nine years old, which is a typical 422 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: age for kids in Zone three to group up. 423 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 10: According to Chuck c it starts in the elementary school 424 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 10: because it's about the people that I'm going to school with, right, 425 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 10: we form in a bond. 426 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 13: Right. 427 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 10: See, people think gangs is a hate thing, when gangs 428 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 10: is actually a love thing. Right, Meaning these are my friends. 429 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 10: I grew up with them, I love them, We're brothers. 430 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 10: So if you mess with him, then you messing with me. Right, 431 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 10: So then this follows you, This follows you on. Then 432 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 10: we move up sixth grade. Now it's not necessarily about protection, 433 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 10: but now we're trying to get us some money. Right, 434 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 10: So now we're a different type of gang. Right, we'll 435 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 10: hust what you would call a hustler gang. Right, we're 436 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 10: trying to get money high school. Now we're not about 437 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 10: necessarily fighting because you bothering us. But now we're fighting 438 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 10: for territory. Right, you can't sell here. There's a lot 439 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 10: of money to be made here, so we go take 440 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 10: this over. 441 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: In this particular part of Atlanta rap history, though, concerning 442 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: Young Thug, dividing lines between sets got even more dotted complicated, 443 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 3: especially when individual rappers allegedly tied to various Atlantic blood 444 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: gangs began to achieve super stardom. One of those breakouts 445 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: is Ray Seawan from an Atlanta neighborhood called Summer Hill. 446 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: Bennett became the rapper Wyfen Lucci Young Thug and Lucci 447 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: came up in the music industry at the same time. 448 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: Their local clicks Wyfed in Summer Hill, Ysl and Cleveland 449 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: Avenue were friendly and social. 450 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 10: Once upon a time, at one time, Zone three we 451 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 10: was a close knit group we was very close knit. 452 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 4: Lucci and Thug was friends at. 453 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: One time, but today that era in Atlanta's rap history 454 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: feels like a distant memory. 455 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: As I was keeping up with Atlanta's rap scene, I 456 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: figured that the beef between Young Thug and Wife and 457 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: Lucci was strictly social media antics, and most music journalism 458 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: outlets would pinpoint the beef's origins to twenty seventeen, when 459 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Young Thug released his album Beautiful Thugger Girls. This is 460 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: the album featuring Young Thug on the cover hunching over 461 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: an acoustic guitar that ultimately paved the way for the 462 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: country trap direction that Lil nas X took with his 463 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: own breakout song Road. But at the time, Young Thug 464 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: was so proud of how that collection of music turned out, 465 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: he tweeted that he was the next Tupac Shakur. 466 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 10: Y fan. 467 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: Lucci immediately fired back, saying that Tupac never would have 468 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: worn a dress, referring to that Alexander Draconne dress that 469 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: Young Thug wore on the cover of his previous album, Jeffrey. 470 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: There was more petty back and forth, like when Young 471 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: Thug said that he slapped Wife and Lucci on site 472 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: when wife and Lucci claimed to have slept with Young 473 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Thug's longtime girlfriend, or when Lucci was showing off his 474 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: latest jewelry hall on Instagram and Young Thug commented that 475 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: his kid's collection was better than this shit. There were 476 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: more heated exchanges, like in twenty nineteen, when Lucci took 477 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: issue with Young Thug's song just How It Is. Young 478 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: Thug raps about an incident taking place at Atlanta's Posh 479 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: Lennox Square Mall. 480 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 11: Ladning to tried me almost got pop in as the 481 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 11: cops has been since they know while. 482 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 13: Have been. 483 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: But wifan Lucci insisted on Instagram that Young Thug was 484 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: lying and almost shitted himself instead. What Young Thug posted 485 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: next was the sort of comment that sent shot faced 486 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: emojis flying in the group text that if he didn't 487 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: like how Lucci treated his mother and kids quote, I 488 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: would have been killed you. 489 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: Police say there was an even longer build up to 490 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 3: the FN and YSL indictments and that the street war 491 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: wasn't exclusively between its marquee artists. Martinez Arnold, the rapper 492 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: YSL a Little Duke commanded YSL defendant was arrested for 493 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: allegedly shooting at Atlantic Small employee named Michael Castellini on 494 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: September eighteenth, twenty fourteen. 495 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 9: You can see quite a few Atlanta Police officers right 496 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 9: outside of the mall area. They have put police tape up. 497 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 9: We are getting reports that there were shots fired somewhere 498 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 9: in this area. 499 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 11: We are all He. 500 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: Pleaded guilty to reckless conduct on the case. APD claims 501 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 3: the shooting was the results of an ongoing fight between 502 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: Arnold and wife and gang affiliates. Then another wise self defendant, 503 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: Jamaican Garlington, got shot at the nightclub owned by the 504 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 3: rapper TI called Club Crucial. And on January fifth, twenty fifteen, 505 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: a Monday night, a man named Kenneth Copeland was fresh 506 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: out of prison. He headed to Club Crucial. He reportedly 507 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: pulled out a water cash, which would have been a 508 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: red flag to any rivals inside the building. 509 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 10: It was about posturing, about saying I'm better than you. 510 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 10: I got more people than you, I have more Jerry 511 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 10: than you. We bring out money. That's where you get 512 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 10: the term stacks on deck, meaning my money is on me. 513 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 10: I got the stacks on me. We in the club 514 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 10: showing our money right, Because this is how we show 515 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 10: our enemies that we're bigger and. 516 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: Better than them. 517 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: Police say that Kelvin Watts attempted to rob Copland that night, 518 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: tried to take his whole stack. Copeland is an alleged 519 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: YSL affiliate known as lil Woody. Watts, known as Shelle Kel, 520 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: is allegedly part of another blood set, the Englewood Family, 521 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 3: which police suspect is connected to YFN. Watt's name does 522 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 3: not appear in the YSL indictment, and Copeland's name only 523 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: once briefly, however, in and aff of David for a 524 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: search warrant filed in twenty sixteen. APD gang unit investigators 525 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: say they quote believe this altercation at Club Crucial incited 526 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: the gang war unquote, and that gang war led to 527 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: Donovan Thomas's death. 528 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 4: Chuck c agrees, I would definitely say that was the first. 529 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: Domino music journalists would take much longer to wonder whether 530 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: the tensions between young Thug and wife and Lucci weren't 531 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: exclusively between them. In August twenty twenty, Lucci says that 532 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: at Lenox Mall, he ran into a YSOL artists Diamante Kendrick, 533 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: the rapper Yack Gotti, But then in the parking lot, 534 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: without warning, Yakgtti posed for Instagram standing on the trunk 535 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: of Lucci's blue Mercedes Maybach as a playing King of 536 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: the Hill. He'd even use that same picture as single 537 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: artwork for his twenty twenty song in the Coup. At 538 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: the time, there seems to be no good explanation for 539 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: what yak Gotti did today. However, the YSL indictment says 540 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: that this social media stunt was an act between rival gangs. 541 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 3: The indictment also points to instances where this rivalry could 542 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: have turned deadly once more, like in Fulton County jail 543 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: were three jailed YSL defendants Khalif Adams, Tbekian Garlington and 544 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: Jaden Myrick allegedly attempted to stab Yfn Lucci, their fellow 545 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: inmate with a shank. Or two weeks later, when two 546 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: more YSL defendants behind bars, Christian Eppinger and Antonio Someone, 547 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: allegedly conspired to try I had to kill wife and 548 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 3: Ulucci one more time, though not without seeking young thugs 549 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: permission first. If the indictments check out, they would speak 550 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: to a phenomenon that vulcan to polly. 551 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 6: Is observed when it comes to gangs. 552 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely a kind of an ethic of 553 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: you know, you've got to respond no matter what to 554 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: any form of being dissed or any kind of disrespect 555 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: that comes from a business deal to gone bad, et cetera, 556 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: et cetera. So I mean the problem is that their 557 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: method of engaging in social control has to do with 558 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: using violence and force, and it's inevitable that it's going 559 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: to spread when you've got combatants that don't see a 560 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: bright future for themselves and know that, you know, it's 561 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: a killer be killed. 562 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 6: Kind of a world out there. 563 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: I've lived in Atlanta for half as long as Vulcan too, Polly, 564 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as well versed in later crime, the 565 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: data gaps that exist when exploring that issue and the 566 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: way that Atlanta can actually prevent crime and not just 567 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: prosecute it. 568 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: Thousands of people show up a Grady every year with 569 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: gunshot wounds and knife wounds, and most of them survive, 570 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: partly because Grady is so damn good at what it does, 571 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: but also because you know, sometimes the flesh wound's just 572 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: a flesh women not all of them stay there very long. 573 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, a lot of the folks 574 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: that get shot can't wait to get out, And why 575 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: is that? It's because they want to get out and 576 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: find the person who shot them and retaliate. Doesn't it 577 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: make sense that we have programs that are an intervention 578 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: right there at the hospital right. 579 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Yet, when we interviewed to Paula this past spring on 580 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: campus at Georgia State, I was struck by how much 581 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: his basic understanding of Atlanta overlapped with my own as 582 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: someone who's covered the local hip hop scene. There are 583 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: respective research. We both come to know Atlanta as the 584 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: nation's capital for income inequality for the past decade. At 585 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: least depending on what study you read, Atlanta's top income 586 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: brackets make anywhere between nine to twenty times more than 587 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: the city's lowest income brackets. Experts say that Atlanta has 588 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: the dubious honor of having the highest inequality of any 589 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: major city in the US because of its quote entrenched 590 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: racial disparities. You need a car to navigate its frustrating 591 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: sprawl that was by design. 592 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 13: We're going to get a brand, huge system of highways, roads, 593 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 13: and streets in this country. 594 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: Interstates built in the fifties and sixties, literally bulldozed through 595 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: black communities. 596 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 13: Over this network, you'll be able to drive from border 597 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 13: to border or coast to coast without ever seeing a traffic. 598 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Stoplight leading to wife light that has concentrated middle class 599 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: living to just outside Atlanta city limits. 600 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: It will really unite all of our United States, and. 601 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: So for communities like Cleveland Avenue, economic opportunity literally feels 602 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: out of reach. 603 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: Do you know Cleveland Avenue. 604 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 6: I know Cleveland Avenue really well. Actually I spent a 605 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 6: lot of time there. 606 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: You know, Cleveland Avenue is a really interesting example of 607 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: a place that has always been problematic because of where 608 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: it's located. 609 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 6: It's, you know, the south of the city. It's sort of. 610 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: Cut off from a lot of the roots of commerce 611 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: that we might be more interested in. 612 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 6: The prout of empty land there. 613 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: It was always low grade, violent, low grade problematic because 614 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: of its location and the lack of investment in that area. 615 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: But I think that the removal of public housing accelerated 616 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: all of that. The assumption was, well, you force people 617 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: to move, what you'll end up doing is disrupting the 618 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: territories that these individuals have for drug selling. 619 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 6: And it did work at the beginning, as you would expect, right. 620 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: I mean, if you disrupt the normal patterns of behavior, 621 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: you're going to get a drop in criminal activity. But 622 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: what happens is it bounces back up again in places 623 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: where you don't expect it. So you've actually imposed a 624 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: kind of a whack a mole situation on yourself. 625 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: To Polly's work entails, among other noble endeavors, interviewing non 626 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: incarcerated individuals to understand what might motivate them to commit 627 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: a crime. He talks to people on the street and 628 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 3: in the street game. He pays his interview subjects for 629 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: their time. It's through this work that he's come across 630 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: and studied and written about this attitude that has become 631 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: so pervasive in rap music in recent years, what scholars 632 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 3: call a sense of futurelessness, or accepting that you'll likely 633 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: die young. 634 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: I've done this, i'd say, probably one hundred times, and 635 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: it has never failed to come out with the same result. 636 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: I can give you fifty bucks right now, I'll tell 637 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 2: you what, though, you come back here in a month, 638 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: I'll give you two hundred. Not once, not once, has 639 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: one of them said yeah, I'll come back in the month. 640 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 2: And when I've asked them why not. They've said, I 641 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: want that money today. I don't even know if I'm 642 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: going to be around in a month. 643 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: That short term outlook pushes many of these individuals to 644 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 3: look for a quick and easy ways to make money. 645 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: So you're either going to be an independent operator on 646 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: the street, hustling day to day to day to day 647 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 2: to day, or you know, here's a group of people 648 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: that you can connect with, you can identify with, that 649 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 2: seem to have a kind of a plan. There's some 650 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 2: positive reinforcement in there. You're learning by watching their lives 651 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: and you're saying, hey, you know, they're kind of making it. 652 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: They're driving around with a nice car, They've got some 653 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: jewelry on, they got some girls, they're. 654 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 6: Spending time at the club. I like doing those things. 655 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: In places like Cleveland Avenue, the opportunity to speak with 656 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: to Polly for research might not be enough reason to 657 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: see a bright future for yourself. And with that sense 658 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 3: of futurelessness abound, victims like Donovan Thomas become perfect examples 659 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: of that system of retaliation and counter retaliation. To Polly 660 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 3: was referencing earlier when talking about Grady Hospital. 661 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: I ripped you off, you shot at me, that my 662 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: boys go to your neighborhood, they shoot at you, back 663 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: and forth and back and forth. And when I've described 664 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: this to an inciated audiences, one of the first things 665 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: that some people say is, good, let him kill each other. 666 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 4: You know. 667 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: I mean, if they do, then we don't have to 668 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: worry about arresting him, we don't have to spend money 669 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: on cords. 670 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 4: You know. 671 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 2: It's a very kind of harsh, kind of kind of 672 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: attitude that they have about this. What I point out 673 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: to them, however, is the fact that they are trapped 674 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 2: in this cycle of retaliation and counter retaliation with each 675 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: other does not mean that other people can't get hurt. 676 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: You know, if you and I have a beef, I 677 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: rip you off, then you retaliate against me. Then I 678 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 2: get pissed off at you, or maybe you kill me, 679 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,959 Speaker 2: and then my cousin gets pissed off. Now we've drawn 680 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 2: my cousin in, and maybe he comes after you. But 681 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: now you know that I'm after you, so you make 682 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: sure that you walk around with three or four of 683 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: your friends. Now we brought your three or four friends in, 684 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: and then you take a shot at my house. Well, 685 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: it turns out it's not my house. It turns out 686 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: at my aunt's house, and you know, the bullet hit 687 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: my three year old niece or my aunt or something 688 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: like that. So these third parties get drawn into the 689 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 2: conflicts whether they In some cases they want to because 690 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: it's about sticking together and protecting your friends, your cousins 691 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 2: and your brothers. In other cases, it's you catch a bullet. 692 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: I caught a bullet. I'm that third party. I'm the leakage. 693 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: Studio time, on the other hand, points to brighter, more 694 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: hopeful prospects. 695 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 2: I would say at least half the guys I talked 696 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: to think that there's a future in music for them, 697 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 2: and that when I asked them what do you need 698 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: the money for, you know, they'll talk about I gotta 699 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 2: pay bills or I just want to go out to 700 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 2: the club. 701 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 6: But a lot of them will say I got to 702 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 6: buy studio. 703 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 2: Time, and so you know, there's clearly something aspirational about 704 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 2: the music industry for them. 705 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: Done Deal, the producer who worked with Young Thug from 706 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: episode one told us this the. 707 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 10: Group of people that I've worked with, almost fifty to 708 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 10: sixty percent of the people that came to my studio 709 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 10: at the beginning became something in the music industry. 710 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 4: Really Yeah, so. 711 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: Polly thinks that statistic could use a caveat. 712 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: The number of people who can get attention from someone 713 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 2: like him who does hold the keys is tiny. When 714 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 2: you say fifty or sixty percent, it's it's not fifty 715 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: or sixty percent of everyone who wants to be successful. 716 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: It's fifty or sixty percent of the people who are 717 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 2: able to make it to him. And then whether the 718 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: fifty or sixty percent is realistic or not, and what 719 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 2: it means to have set you know, say I made 720 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: it does make me. It mean that you have a 721 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: hit song, hit album, that you've you've got the length 722 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 2: of your career, you know that. I think that needs 723 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: to be kind of unpacked a little bit more. 724 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: But regardless of what the actual statistical likelihood is, that 725 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: hope just has to be high enough for people to 726 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: chase it. Both to Polly and Chucksy have seen how 727 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: a success story like Young Thug can be highly motivational. 728 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: Nonetheless, the guys who are down from that area, you know, 729 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 2: they do see him as like there's a guy who 730 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 2: made it and now people are trying to tear him down. 731 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 6: And what else did you expect him to do. They're like, yeah, 732 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 6: I know that. 733 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 2: You know he's breaking the law and all this kind 734 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 2: of stuff, but he's trying to get his I got 735 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: nothing but love for him, is what I hear. 736 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 6: A lot of those guys say. 737 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 4: Man, Young Thug is the young people's champ. He's known worldwide. 738 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 10: Young Thug as the artist, is known worldwide, but in 739 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 10: the city of Atlanta, Southside, Zone three, Bleaveland Avenue, he's 740 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 10: the people's champ. 741 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, the city of Atlanta got a homegrown 742 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: instant classic. That song was called Lifestyle. 743 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 12: Didn't sit just littless. 744 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: Just as Pospamorial Day, Lifestyle was the first song my 745 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: neighbors in Southwest Atlanta played as they fired up the grill. 746 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: The song remains a summer anthem in the city, as 747 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: it was for the country when it first dropped. It 748 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: became a top twenty hit in a matter of months. 749 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: It would eventually go platinum, and its success would officially 750 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: certify Young Thug as the future of Atlanta. Rap Here's 751 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: Joe Coscarelli, culture reporter for The New York Times, who 752 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: you heard from in episode one. 753 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 14: Because of the rise of streaming and the way YouTube 754 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 14: is working at the time, lifestyle becomes as you hit, 755 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 14: and it's this crossover success. So Young Thug, all of 756 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 14: a sudden, is not only this underground curio, but he's 757 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 14: also a mainstream hit maker. And it's at that moment 758 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 14: that I think Young Thug is able to really brand 759 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 14: his own business. 760 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: Lifestyle is built to Rich Gang, which bears some explanation. 761 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: Rich Gang is the brainchild of a label impresario, Brian 762 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: Birdman Williams. Williams and his brother, Robert Slim. Williams had 763 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: previously co founded one of Southern hip hop's most influential labels, 764 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 1: Cash Money. From cash Money came Young Money, an imprint 765 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: founded by Lil Wayne, cash Money's most well known signee 766 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: and Young Thug's musical idol. Rich Gang isn't a group 767 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: with a set lineup. It's more like a franchise that 768 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: has featured members of a growing Southern hip hop dynasty. 769 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: The first iteration of Rich Gang was a sprawling collective 770 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: that featured Nicki Minaj, but at the time, Rich Gang 771 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: was a duo featuring Young Thug and another Atlanta rapper, 772 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: rich homy Kwan. That's how a Memorial Day weekend that year. 773 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: As seen in a whirlwind video recap on World Star 774 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: Hip Hop, Young Thug ends up a border yacht in Miami. 775 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: Birdman presents him with two chains the words rich gang 776 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: spelled out in glittering gems. Young Thug is grateful. You 777 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: can hear him shout out to a Birdman's signature hits 778 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: number one Stunna and one hundred million in the process. 779 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we're getting a real deal, special shot 780 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 10: stunham Man. 781 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 6: He didn't say without him and won't be written on 782 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 6: this wall fuddy yet, Yeah you. 783 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: His thank you speech continues, we won't be read. 784 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 4: I got one of the biggest bloods in America. 785 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 13: Georgia. 786 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to make out, but Young Thug says, quote, 787 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: I've got one of the biggest bloods in America with me. 788 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: Young Thug then extends his arm and pushes the camera 789 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: to his right to focus on the man sitting next 790 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: to him on his cell phone. That man is Donovan Thomas. 791 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: Thomas looks into the lens and flashes what appears to 792 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: be several gang signs. What business did Donovan Nutt Thomas, 793 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 1: the man who reportedly said Thug had me killed moments 794 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: before he passed. Possibly have a board that yacht, depends 795 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: on who you ask. Before Thomas died, he helped jumpstart 796 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: wife and Lucci's music career. That bond is why in 797 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Lucci named his debut EP, Long Live Nut. 798 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: This is what Lucci told me at the time. So 799 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: I've heard you say long Live Nut. I know he 800 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: was a long term frint of yours, but who exactly 801 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: was he? 802 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 15: Nut was one of my closest friend named schel He 803 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 15: and Jed that's his brother. And he was a big brother. 804 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 15: And basically you know that was just like a big 805 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 15: brother at all. 806 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: Man. 807 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 15: You know, shall like boy nut Loy You me with, 808 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 15: oh you gotta go meet nut Bro, stuff like that, 809 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 15: Matt Nutt nut racking with all my old the news 810 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 15: everything that. It was like, you know, he just made 811 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 15: me feel like all that start already. 812 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: So he was telling you this before like you officially 813 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: released anything? 814 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 15: Yeah, right, like before I dropped anything. Man, he tell 815 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 15: me like why you're gonna be rich in ten months. 816 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: But, as police alleged, their connections run even deeper than music. 817 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 11: The yn is like an umbrella abundant Inglewood family, which 818 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 11: is a traditional game. 819 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 12: Donaldan Thomas was an Inglewood family. 820 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 3: Blood Chucky tells us that Donovan Thomas was in prime 821 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 3: position within these factions. Unlike Investigator Underwood, Chuckxy actually knew 822 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 3: Thomas before he died. 823 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 6: So where does. 824 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 3: Donovan Thomas fit in all of this? 825 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 13: Man? 826 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 4: Rest in peace? 827 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 10: He was the big home, no kidding anybody that had 828 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 10: anything to do with the Red Side. 829 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 4: He was the big home. He was the one that 830 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 4: got the blessing from California. 831 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 6: Wait what do you mean by that? 832 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 4: Oh? 833 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 10: I hope I ain't saying too much, but listen. So 834 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 10: blood is a LA thing, right, Blood is an LA thing. 835 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 10: Blood was anything that was anti crypt came together informed 836 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 10: bloods in the early in the seventies. 837 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 4: Right. 838 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 10: So, so the whole term blood comes from LA. So 839 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 10: to be official, right, to be official, you have to 840 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 10: be blessed from somebody from the motherland, which is La. Right, 841 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 10: Nut was blessed from the motherland right to be able 842 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 10: to plant the flag in Alemna. 843 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 3: Above all else, Donovan Thomas was a connector. An Investigator 844 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 3: Underwood thinks that Thomas was a connector till the very 845 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 3: end of his life, even tried to de escalate the 846 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 3: beef between younger thug and wife and Luci. 847 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 11: He was one of those guys that took care of 848 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 11: the neighborhood. He made sure kids had haircuts, He made sure, 849 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 11: you know, kids had tennis. 850 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 12: Shoes and that kind of stuff. And from the rumors 851 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 12: and the street communitey I heard that he was one 852 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 12: of those guys that tried to squash the beef. He tried, 853 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 12: he knew that it was beef. He knew that it 854 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 12: was brewing. 855 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 3: Once upon a time, such mutual connections might have been 856 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 3: enough to diffuse the tension between these rising rap stars. 857 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 3: After all, they repped for Zone three. What happened instead 858 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 3: is that the death of Donovan Thomas split Atlanta's blood 859 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 3: sets into two warring factions, those who sided with Thomas 860 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 3: and YFN and those who sided with hys L. 861 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 11: Unfortunately, there are two blood sets, but they started this 862 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 11: long standing beef because the murder of Donovan Thomas. 863 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 3: Neighborhood ties can run deeper, family ties even deeper, but 864 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 3: in the current state of Atlanta's gang wars, blood ties 865 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 3: can't compare. In this case, the same man who sat 866 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 3: next to young Thuck abort that yacht would die the 867 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 3: next year, allegedly by thugs doing. Whenever I talk to 868 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 3: people about Donovan Thomas, he's had this real sense of 869 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 3: Thomas is a person like everybody seems to want to 870 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 3: describe him as soft spoken, affable, friendly, And I can 871 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 3: imagine people reacting very strongly because he get killed on 872 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 3: the street corner. 873 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 10: Yeah, because it's a love thing. Man, And my son 874 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 10: has his name tattooed on him because he loves him. 875 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 3: That's right. Chuck C's son has Donovan Thomas' nicknameing Dona's temple, and. 876 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 10: My son has r ip nutt right here tattooed on 877 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 10: his face. This is my son, right, This is he's 878 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,439 Speaker 10: my son. 879 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 4: He has the same name as me. 880 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 10: He's the in recording there card of the third he's 881 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 10: my son, but he has another man's name tattooed on 882 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 10: him because of the love that he has for this man. Right, 883 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 10: And the same with the other people. Well that's out there. 884 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 10: They have love for this guy. So when they see 885 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 10: the person that took away they loved one, anger comes in. 886 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 4: Right. 887 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 10: If I'm angry and I'm intoxicated and I have a weapon, 888 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 10: I'm liable to make a bad decision. 889 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 4: So it's not like this was some. 890 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 10: Ingrown hatred, right, it was an incident that happened, and 891 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,439 Speaker 10: when this happened, then something else have to happen. 892 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 4: Then something else have to happen. 893 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 10: Then something else has to happen, because then the streets 894 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,799 Speaker 10: retaliation is a musk. 895 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: Next, on King Slime, we dig deeper into what is 896 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: already shaping up to be the longest, craziest criminal trial 897 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: that Georgia has ever seen. 898 00:47:46,840 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 3: Is what makes this trial particularly extraordinary. We speak to 899 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,760 Speaker 3: attorneys from both sides of the YSL trial, public defenders 900 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 3: who say that YSL isn't a gang. At Fulton County 901 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 3: District Attorney Fannie Willis, it's. 902 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 8: So interesting you talk about snitche everybody hard right till 903 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 8: they sitting in the seat. 904 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: Gets King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and 905 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: Heirloom Media. 906 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 3: It's written and produced by George Cheaty, Christina Lee, and Tommy. 907 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: Andres, mixing sound design and original music by Evan Tyre 908 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: and Taylor Chapogne. 909 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 3: The executive producer and editor is Tommy Andres. 910 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: Fact checking by Kaylin lynch Our. Theme music is produced 911 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,760 Speaker 1: by dun Deal Special Thanks to the Atlanta news outlets, 912 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: eleven Alive, WSBTV, Atlanta News First and Box five, and 913 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: Chuck C. 914 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 3: And the Throwback Boys for the use of their song 915 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 3: Stacks on Deck. 916 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 1: For more shows from iHeart Podcasts, visit the iHeartRadio app, 917 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.