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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today

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Speaker 1: when we have Pristal Well, that's interesting stuff to get

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Speaker 1: to you. First of all, we are now learning what Americans'

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Speaker 1: priorities are for politics this year versus last year. There's

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Speaker 1: some pretty interesting shifts here to get into. Also, got

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Speaker 1: to update you on the absolute disaster that is unfolding

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Speaker 1: right now in Afghanistan from a humanitarian perspective. Effectively, I mean,

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Speaker 1: tell you everything that's going on. There. Also a lot

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Speaker 1: give us some updates on big tech. Also a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a shot across the bout within the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party from John Assoff of all people preparing legislation to

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Speaker 1: Of course, Nancy Pelosi had famously, you know, scoffed at

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with what is going on at the

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Speaker 1: some comments that CDC Director Rochelle Rollinski made where it

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Speaker 1: So this led a lot of folks on the right.

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Speaker 1: it's just people who have these other issues. For if

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that entire clip. I want

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Speaker 1: In the context of omicron, this means not only just

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Speaker 1: So look, we're at the height of the spike quote unquote.

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Speaker 1: In terms of severity, it's pretty clear now the severity

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Speaker 1: evidence is in there. CDC director and now at least admitting, Look,

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Speaker 1: Not a surprise to me that doctor Fauci hasn't appeared

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Speaker 1: has been dropped in interest. I think that's probably a

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Speaker 1: good thing. Climate change relatively static, foreign policy static, education, static, racism,

432
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Speaker 1: and racial inequality nine point drop from twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: You know, I actually thought the education one was kind

434
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Speaker 1: of interesting because there was a lot made of education

435
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Speaker 1: in the Virginia race. I know, and then we both

436
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Speaker 1: said at the time, this is not the real story.

437
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Speaker 1: The real story is, you know, people feel in bad

438
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Speaker 1: about the economy and feeling like you're promised to get

439
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: us back to normal ultimately was a fraud. I think

440
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Speaker 1: this helps to bolster that point that. I'm sure there

441
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Speaker 1: were some people who were motivated by education on the

442
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Speaker 1: margins in Virginia, but I think the bigger story of

443
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Speaker 1: what's going on is in these EXAs. It's a very online,

444
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Speaker 1: GOP based thing. This is I've been trying to hammer

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Speaker 1: this home to people. I'm like, look, I agree, critical

446
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: race theory is bad, but a lot of people just

447
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Speaker 1: don't care whatsoever. And you know, i'd point to the

448
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: Dems too. Right now, the Biden administration is going all

449
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Speaker 1: born on voting rights. People don't care. Okay, where is

450
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Speaker 1: it that on this pH Where is that on the list?

451
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: And you can you can go after me, blah blah

452
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Speaker 1: blah if you want. People will worry about the price

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Speaker 1: of gas and the price of food and the fact

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Speaker 1: that their kids are in school one day and then

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Speaker 1: not in school the other day. It's actually pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the next one up there. In terms of

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Speaker 1: the people who are naming their top five or sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the number of retirements, which we wanted to

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Speaker 1: pair with this because I think this is very important.

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Speaker 1: Record number of democratic retirements, and people were pointing their

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Speaker 1: crystal to Representative Ed Pearlmutter. His district got redistricted. It

462
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Speaker 1: was like a D plus ten. Now it's a D

463
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Speaker 1: plus three in terms of the general average, and he's retiring,

464
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Speaker 1: indicating there that it would be very, very difficult. So

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Speaker 1: you just look at that long list, twenty six incumbent

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Speaker 1: Democrats who are retiring. Some of this is people because

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Speaker 1: of redistricting and the shrinking number of districts and all

468
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Speaker 1: of that, but a lot of that, and as we

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Speaker 1: saw this in twenty eighteen, a lot of Republicans retired

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Speaker 1: at that time too, simply to not have the indignity

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Speaker 1: of losing their incumbent seat or it's a very interesting phenomena. Also,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the fear of their own loss, but

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Speaker 1: also being in the minority is not as much fun

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Speaker 1: as being in their majority. So if you're someone who's

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Speaker 1: you know, who's actually interested in being involved in the

476
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Speaker 1: mechanics of governing, I'm not saying that these people actually are,

477
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Speaker 1: but it's a lot more fun to be in the majority,

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Speaker 1: have more power, et cetera. So if you were kind

479
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Speaker 1: of thinking of retiring anyway, now is a good moment

480
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Speaker 1: because then you are saved the potential indignity of losing

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Speaker 1: your seat, and you're saved from having to sort of

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Speaker 1: sweat it out in the minority for a couple of years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the House already, in my opinion, kind of sucks.

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Speaker 1: So to be a backbencher in the House and in

485
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Speaker 1: the minority, that is a real indignity. That's rough. It's

486
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Speaker 1: not fun having to show up to some like, uh,

487
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Speaker 1: what is a committee on agricultural products, and then you

488
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Speaker 1: don't even get to send a question or whatever because

489
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Speaker 1: you are one of the minority members who gets two minutes.

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Speaker 1: That is very grim. Personally, I'd like to see more

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Speaker 1: of these people retire. Yea, So the longer this list is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's keep going. Yeah, let's get some Republicans on Liz

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Speaker 1: why not know? I mean, she's so unbelievable and some

494
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Speaker 1: of these few. I mean. The other thing is like

495
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: the Dencocus is extremely old. Republican Caucus is kind of old.

496
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Speaker 1: The dencoc is is way older. So some of these

497
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Speaker 1: folks it was time to hang up their hat. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I just want to circle back to one thing, which

499
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Speaker 1: is that the lack of the ability for the administration

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Speaker 1: to understand that poll, which has been so self evident

501
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Speaker 1: now for some time, yeah, is just amazing. I mean

502
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Speaker 1: you even see and they trotted out. I thought it

503
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Speaker 1: was amazing. In this piece, an interview with the Surgeon

504
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Speaker 1: General of Avake Morphy, and he was like, look, I

505
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Speaker 1: get it, Pannedam. Fatigue is real. But as a doctor,

506
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Speaker 1: you know what we have to do is go after

507
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: the health problems and try to continue to make people

508
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Speaker 1: understand that this is a way a problem. And the

509
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Speaker 1: White House actually is trying to do the layup. As

510
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Speaker 1: you said, They're like, look at people are less concerned

511
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Speaker 1: about COVID because of all the good stuff that we've done.

512
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody agrees with that whatsoever. So you

513
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Speaker 1: both see an institutional failure on COVID and you have

514
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Speaker 1: the lack of connection on the economy. I was thinking

515
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Speaker 1: about this. You know they rolled out their new personal

516
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Speaker 1: testing plan. Yeah, oh, this is incredible. This is the

517
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Speaker 1: biggest joke I've ever seen. You get eight tests a

518
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Speaker 1: month that have to be reimbursed if you buy a test,

519
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Speaker 1: if you have insurance, right, if you have insurance with

520
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Speaker 1: what is a thirty million American zone. By the way,

521
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: some tests are outside network, so insurance companies have to

522
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Speaker 1: reimburse you up to eighteen dollars on those tests. It's

523
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Speaker 1: a disease. It's this break. Is this this neoliberal brain?

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Speaker 1: They have to make everything so freaking complicated people test?

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Speaker 1: How complicate is that? Jesus Christ? I want to go

526
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: buy to They say, I read the guides, work, keep

527
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: your receipt, send it in, is it in network? Is

528
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Speaker 1: it out? And know we're going to incentivize them to

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Speaker 1: do X and Y and Z. It's like, Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 1: this isn't complicated, just give people test. This is like

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Speaker 1: so emblematic of the neoliberal brain disease that makes everything

532
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Speaker 1: way more complicated and way less successful than it ultimately

533
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Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, that was really super annoyed. So folks,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. We wanted to give you what I

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Speaker 1: think is a really important update on what is going

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Speaker 1: on in Afghanistan, and frankly, it's it's absolutely disgrace. I

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Speaker 1: want to put this Washington Post hairsheet up on the

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Speaker 1: screen and I want to read a little bit from this.

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Speaker 1: It says, as Afghanistan's harsh winter sets in, many are

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Speaker 1: forced to choose between food and warmth. They talk about

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Speaker 1: this man, Mahmad HEAs he's twenty eight. He's a former

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Speaker 1: tenant farmer, father of four, and he was listening one

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Speaker 1: night to his one year old daughter coughing and wondering

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Speaker 1: whether he should put his very last log on the

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Speaker 1: fire that was resting in the corner the pantry in

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Speaker 1: the family's mud walled home and West Cobble had only

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Speaker 1: a few onions and potatoes. Stove was dark, too cold

548
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Speaker 1: for his boys to go out and scavenge, so we

549
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Speaker 1: reached for the log and started shaving off pieces. This

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Speaker 1: country is in absolute crisis right now. Of a population

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Speaker 1: of thirty nine million, nearly twenty three million Afghans out

552
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Speaker 1: of a population of thirty nine don't have enough to

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Speaker 1: eat already already, and winter is far from over yet.

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Speaker 1: Many also lack solid shelter and money to heat their

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Speaker 1: homes at night, forcing them to choose between food and fuel,

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Speaker 1: creating additional potential for a full fledg humanitarian disaster. I

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00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: would say that this is already a full fledged humanitarian disaster.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, folks, We are extraordinarily complicit because

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, after pulling out of Afghanistan, in a

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Speaker 1: way to politically appear like, oh, they're tough on tear

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Speaker 1: and they're tough on the Taliban, they froze that government's

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars in assets, which are mostly held in

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Speaker 1: US banks, with the idea being, oh, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to give money to terrorists, we don't want to give

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Speaker 1: money to the Taliban. And I get that sentiment. But

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Speaker 1: the consequence of that, and it's not all the US's fault,

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Speaker 1: but we have a huge hand in this. The consequence

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Speaker 1: of that is millions millions of Afghans on the brink

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Speaker 1: of starvation, children dying for lack of food, basic shelter,

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Speaker 1: and heat. This is pure insanity. And the other part

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Speaker 1: of this is that the media, which when Biden ended

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Speaker 1: the war, when they were so distraught about Afghan civilians

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Speaker 1: and the women and the girls, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: they have barely said a word about any of this

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Speaker 1: that is going on. And it's very clear what's happening here.

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Speaker 1: When it came to ending the war, that was the

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Speaker 1: threat to the profits of all the military industrial complex

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Speaker 1: ghouls who they would invite onto their shows to pretend

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Speaker 1: like they cared unfreezing the Taliban, the g Afghan governments

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Speaker 1: own money that doesn't have any profit margin at stake

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Speaker 1: for Raytheon or North of Grumman or any of these people,

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Speaker 1: and so they don't say anything about it. They don't care.

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Speaker 1: And it really exposes the game of why the media

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Speaker 1: pretended to care, in that it exposes how hollow and

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Speaker 1: shallow their pretend protestations and concerns for these people were.

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Speaker 1: And it also exposes, i mean, the Biden administration freezing

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Speaker 1: these nine point four billion dollars is and Afghan government

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Speaker 1: assets is truly creating a massive humanitarian disaster that could

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Speaker 1: kill even more Afghan civilians than we're killed during our

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Speaker 1: twenty years of war. So it is an important situation.

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Speaker 1: I do want to say, they said this morning they're

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Speaker 1: going to give like three hundred and eighty million dollars

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Speaker 1: in aid something like that. It's better than nothing, but

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Speaker 1: it is wildly insufficient for what the need is right now.

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Speaker 1: And let me just say one final thing on this.

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Speaker 1: Even if you don't care about Afghan civilians, this is

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Speaker 1: going you don't think this is going to fuel extremism.

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Speaker 1: You know, if the thing you're worried about is terror,

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Speaker 1: you don't think that this sort of you know, despair

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Speaker 1: and extreme need and want and pain is going to

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Speaker 1: fuel extremism. It's also going to trigger yet another US

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Speaker 1: sparked refugee crisis in Europe. So even if you don't

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Speaker 1: care about the plight of these individuals, you should care

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Speaker 1: a lot about, you know, the safety and security implications

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Speaker 1: for all of us. No, I think the media front

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Speaker 1: I can't emphasize that enough. Which is that and look,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were played in terms of people

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Speaker 1: tried to manipulate your good hearted emotions to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is why we got to stay in Afghanistan, this

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Speaker 1: is why we Biden should have stayed in for another

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Speaker 1: five years, because pulling out of a war always goes

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Speaker 1: super smoothly. And everybody became an amateur tactician on how

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Speaker 1: they would have defended the city of Kabbol because they're

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent great generals. Look, it was all scam.

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Speaker 1: It was all in order to cover up for the

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Speaker 1: fact that they wanted to stay forever. A lot of

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Speaker 1: that part was money, and they used a lot of

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Speaker 1: these Afghan civilians as pawns. They didn't actually ever care

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Speaker 1: about the civilian casualties. People will never tell you that

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Speaker 1: the year before we left was actually the deadliest year

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Speaker 1: ever for Afghan civilians who were caught in the crosshairs

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Speaker 1: of the civil war and of a corrupt government that

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Speaker 1: decided not to fight for their own people and flee.

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Speaker 1: And apparently now we're pankkerelling those folks over here. I

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Speaker 1: say we should kick them the hell out of the

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Speaker 1: country and they can go and face whatever they want

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan. This is the biggest problem right now. Twenty

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Speaker 1: three million people are facing hunger and famine. As you said,

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Speaker 1: refugee crisis. A lot of these Afghans were already flying

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Speaker 1: to Germany, Berlin, Romania, Hungary. All that stuff triggers domestic

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Speaker 1: political crises in those countries. Pakistan is the same thing.

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Speaker 1: They have a massive refugee problem over there. Then, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of just the actual security situation, it deteriorates

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Speaker 1: if our long term interest in Afghanistan p the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration was the decline of the Taliban regime in the

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Speaker 1: emergence of an Afghan Democratic Republic. This is probably the

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Speaker 1: last thing on earth that would help that situation, if anything,

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Speaker 1: strengthens the Taliban's hand and say, look, they are not

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Speaker 1: letting us help you, so what are they going to do.

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Speaker 1: This is just a perfect view into the fact that

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Speaker 1: there's no cable news segments about this. There's no very

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Speaker 1: emotional guys on Instagram being like this is you know,

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Speaker 1: shows the failure Baba, No, it's just like one story.

644
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: We were even a to it because just security and

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: organization here in DC wrote up that piece where they

646
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: were like, look in this you know, there's a massive

647
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: security council problem here in terms of lack of funding

648
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: and more, they don't care. Nobody ever cared about the

649
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: Afghan civilians. They still won't. Three hundred and eighty million

650
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: dollars not gonna do anything, especially if they allow it

651
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: only to be administered by the UN World Food Program,

652
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: which ye showed me one thing that they've actually done successfully,

653
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: you know, And you know who else has been trying

654
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: to call attention to this is Jeff Styne and this

655
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: isn't even his beat, but I think he got pulled

656
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: in to sort of pinch hit on this story, and

657
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: he's really been trying to sound the alarm bells, just

658
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: to put some numbers to it. There was an analysis

659
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: of the evening news of ABC, NBC and CBS since September.

660
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: They have devoted six minutes of time to saying anything

661
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: about this humanitarian crisis since September. Six minutes. That's it.

662
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: So when we say the meat, you know, this isn't

663
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: just us saying the media didn't care and they moved

664
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: on and their whole like, oh the Afghan civilians thing

665
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: was total bullshit. That is clearly evidenced by the programming

666
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: choices that they've been making since the end of you know,

667
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: since we finally pulled out of that country. So it's

668
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: truly disgraceful on every level. There were forty House Democrats

669
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: who called on Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. They sent a

670
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: letter calling on her to unfreeze Afghanistan Central bank reserves. Again,

671
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: this is nine billion dollars plus held mostly in US

672
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: bank reserves. And I think this is really telling. They

673
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: say the Biden administration has said that recognition and release

674
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: of funds won't come until the Taliban form a quote

675
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: inclusive government, guarantee the rights of minorities, women and girls,

676
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: including full female education, and several ties with terrorist groups

677
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: including al Qaeda that threaten the homeland. And look, the

678
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: terrorist part I totally get. But the inclusive part I also,

679
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, extremely sympathetic to. But if you're you're a

680
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: woman or girl in Afghanistan, what do you care more

681
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: about the percentage of parliament that has girls in it

682
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: or whether you can eat and your child is going

683
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: to die? Okay? Something tells me that those concerns may

684
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: be weighing a little bit more heavily on the minds

685
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: of ordinary Afghans right now than having inclusive, you know,

686
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: government with checking all the right boxes on diversity. Remind me, Christal,

687
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: do we have that same policy when it comes to

688
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 1: the government of Saudi Arabia, a Wahabi's kingdom. I don't

689
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: have to check. Do we have a great pos see

690
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: with Bahrain and Qatar and Jordan and Egypt and a

691
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: lot of other of our security partners in the Gulf. Yeah? No,

692
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: because it's fake. Okay, the Muslim countries, they can run

693
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: their government and their society however they But do we

694
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: even have that requirement for the Saudis when it comes

695
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: to affiliating with terrorists? Yeah? Tell me again how many

696
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: of the nine to eleven hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

697
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: I know it might sound bitter, but the have a

698
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: lot is still settling up to do with some friends

699
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: who talk a lot of big game on Afghanistan. Not

700
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: a single American has been killed by the Taliban who

701
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: has tried to leave. I heard a lot about that,

702
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: about their lives are in danger. Really, not one of

703
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: them has been killed yet. I'm not defending the Taliban.

704
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: They killed a lot of American soldiers, but that concrete

705
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: claim not true. What about interpreters, Nope, there hasn't been

706
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: a mass slaughter and roundup of any American allies in

707
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Afghanistan hasn't happened. Taliban has now been in power for

708
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: several months. Al Qaeda not one report and you know

709
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: that they would not one report of a substantive regrouping

710
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: of al Qaeda within Afghanistan, high level operatives, all of

711
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: these people. Where is it, folks? I was told all

712
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: of these things were going to materialize, you know, very quickly. Yeah,

713
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, get headline. You think the CIA wouldn't be

714
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: pumping that into the media and leaking into the New

715
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: York Times immediately if it wasn't happening. So look, I

716
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: think the simple truth is most of the people, especially

717
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: on the right, you got straight up played with some

718
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: absolute lies about what was happening there. And as usual,

719
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: as I said from the top, nobody ever cared about

720
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: the Afghans all of that. They were used as pawns

721
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: within these The only people who benefited were the bosses

722
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: in the Taliban who got filthy rich, and the bosses

723
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan who we put in charge, no, who also

724
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: got filthy people who benefited. They live within about twenty

725
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: four miles right now, are here, and they are trillions

726
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: of dollars richer with US taxpayer dollars because of the

727
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: twenty years that we said they spent there. And meanwhile,

728
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: twenty three million Afghans are starving when it is preventable. Right, Okay,

729
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: let's move on speaking of criminal cartels. Let's go and

730
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen from the Wall

731
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Street Journal. This is a landmark report and want to

732
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: spend some time in terms of the details. Gale, Georgetown

733
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: and other top schools, according to a new laws Er lawsuit,

734
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: illegally colluded to limit student financial aid. This is very important.

735
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: Sixteen major universities are being sued for alleged anti trust

736
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: file relations because of the way that they work together

737
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: to determine financial aid for rewards. Now, what they show

738
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: is that lawsuits representing five former students shows that universities

739
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: engage in price fixing and unfairly limited aid by using

740
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: and this is the key thing, a shared methodology to

741
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: calculate applicants' financial need. Schools are allowed to collaborate on

742
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: some of their formulas, but only if they don't consider applicants'

743
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: financial need in admissions decisions. And what they show is

744
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: that the suit in the suit is that they do

745
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: weigh a candidate's ability to pay in certain circumstances, and

746
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: therefore that formula should not be exempt from the anti

747
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: trust exemption. Why does this all matter? We all know

748
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: that the price of school and the inflation in education

749
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: costs outstrips almost anything else in American society except for

750
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: healthcare costs. Now why exactly is that? Well, whenever they

751
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: can go and deny people financial aid, then they have

752
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: a select group at the top as well who they

753
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: can charge whatever they want, enriching their coffers, which then

754
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: leads to their endowments which have essentially become massive hedge

755
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: funds at Harvard, Yale and all these other places. But

756
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: even more important is this, by colluding in order to

757
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: keep people outside of financial aid and artificially inflating their price,

758
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: which is not connected whatsoever to the actual product that

759
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: they deliver. What does that mean? They are knowingly putting

760
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: their students in more and more debt. That's the worst part,

761
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: because they are not the guaranteurs or have any fins

762
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: or financial incentive whatsoever in the actual debt itself. So

763
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: everybody's losing on both sides of the transaction. The debtors right,

764
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: who are not ever going to be able to get

765
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: repaid back. The actual people who are taking out the

766
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: loans themselves, and the people who are getting filthy rich

767
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: are these colleges and the sixteen universities. In using the

768
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: same formula. What they're doing is making sure that the

769
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: less and less students that get financial aid, then the

770
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: more that they can charge, and that they continue to

771
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: inflate their price in the future. I don't think I

772
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: can underscore enough how much of this is going to

773
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: people like Harvard and Yale, who have endowments in the

774
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars, who are major investors in

775
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: and limited partners in venture capital funds and hedge funds.

776
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: They are some of the biggest players on all of

777
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Wall Street, and nobody seems to understand that those endowments

778
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: are not being used for the students. I saw some

779
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: statistic where it was like Harvard could pay every one

780
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: of its students tuitions for like a thousand years or

781
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: something like that with its current with its current endowment.

782
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: It's not for their beneficiary. They don't even build, you know,

783
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: they can build enough fake new buildings all they want,

784
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: and they're still becoming filthy rich on the other side.

785
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: And look, it's not like each person is making millions

786
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars, but they're using it to fund

787
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: all sorts of extraneous DEI programs and all this other

788
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: stuff there. It's becoming a permanent bureaucracy which is all

789
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: artificially subsidized by a fake system. So look, it's a

790
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: criminal cartel. And what do you do with criminal cartels.

791
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: You break them up and you tax the hell out

792
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: of them. That's what you need to do here. Yeah,

793
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the reason these institutions are so important is

794
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: because they are the pipeline to elite society in America.

795
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: And you know the fact that you have such a

796
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: large percentage of folks who are going to the Ivy

797
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: League who are already wealthy, and such a very small

798
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: percent that come from lower working class citizens. You know

799
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: that in and of itself, means that you perpetuate the

800
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: people who were doing well before you funnel them through

801
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: this pipeline, and they're the ones who come out on

802
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: top and run the country. So that's why these institutions

803
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: matter more than most as to the cartel situation here.

804
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: So back in ninety four, Congress apparently passed this legislation

805
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: giving them certain exemption from anti trust violations, which I

806
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: don't know why they did that to start with. Actually

807
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: I have a good idea why they did that corruption.

808
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, they give them these exemptions and say, all right,

809
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: you guys can collude and price fix with regards to

810
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, the financial aid offers that you're making to students.

811
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: We're going to allow that, but it has to write,

812
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: which you shouldn't because what that means if you're a student,

813
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: you're not going to get these schools to go into

814
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: sort of like a bidding war to try to get

815
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: you to come there, because they've fixed the price, so

816
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: you're on the short end of the stick there ultimately.

817
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: So they said, okay, you can do that, but you

818
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: have to make sure that you practice need blind admissions

819
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: so that you're not taking into consideration whether a student

820
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: is rich or poor when you're ultimately admitting them to

821
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: the school. And what this lawsuit says is that they

822
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: couldn't even abide by those rules that in certain circumstances

823
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: admissions are not need blind. Specifically, lawyer said, some the

824
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: schools consider financial need by giving an admission edge to

825
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: children of wealthy donors. Some also weigh applicants' finances when

826
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: admitting them off the waiting list, and also look at

827
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: finances in admission decisions to certain programs. So you got

828
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: a carve out you got to play, you know, your

829
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: little cartel price fixing games. You got a legal carve

830
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: out from Congress in nineteen ninety four. And what this

831
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: lawsuit is saying is you could not even follow like

832
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: they already are letting you engage in anti competitive behavior,

833
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: and you couldn't even follow the basic guidelines of what

834
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: we put in place for you. So you know, I

835
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: think there's a larger conversation here about the way that

836
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: the rules don't apply to these elite institutions. They get

837
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: special car ouns for Congress. Even when they get those

838
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: carve outs, they still engage in what is effectively criminal

839
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: behavior with very little ever accountability on this. Two things

840
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I also want to highlight I didn't know this too,

841
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: I was researching this story. In nineteen ninety one, all

842
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: of the Ivy League were actually fine for participating in

843
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: price fixing. And number two, in Congress, there is a

844
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: law specifically that extends the anti trust exemption, which is

845
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: set to expire in September unless Congress renews. It's so

846
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: interesting to follow it exactly. I'm going to follow the

847
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: hell out of this now that it's actually on my radar,

848
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: which is that why should these people get that anti

849
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: trust exemption? Somebody please tell me if they're allowed to

850
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: collude on financial aid. I am almost always going to

851
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: say that's never going to be for the benefit of

852
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: the student, which is what all of our laws on

853
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: this are supposed to be. I mean, so much of

854
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: what's happened in the pandemic has been so revealing to this.

855
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: These people treat their students like cattle. I mean literally,

856
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: in Yale, they're not allowed to go out to eat

857
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: in a restaurant, even outside in the city of New Haven.

858
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: There is a mass just disdisillusion with a lot of

859
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: these universities. But the universities know they can still continue

860
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: to charge whatever the hell they want. We did an

861
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: entire year of Zoom School. I know people who went

862
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: to the Ivy League who were in law school, and they,

863
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, are doing all of it online and are

864
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: still paying tens of thousands of dollars a month in

865
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: order to attend these institutions going into hundreds of thousands

866
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: of dollars in debt. All of it is the elite

867
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: credential itself. And when you have such an unfair system

868
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: like that in which this deck is really stacked against

869
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: the people participating in, then what they can charge and

870
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: not comes down to whether this is criminal. And we

871
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: have seen now you know, those Columbia University students, the

872
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: film students going one hundred hundred and seventy thousand dollars

873
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: in debt, the NYU student who we talked about here

874
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: on the show who had to sell her eggs in

875
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: order to make her debt payments. I saw some pushback,

876
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: people like, oh, they attended it, you know, they knew

877
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: what they were doing. Look, when you're eighteen years old,

878
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars, you have no idea what that

879
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: even means. Oftentimes you're talking about people who are making

880
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: these decisions when they're seventy years That's what I mean.

881
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they had their brains are not fully developed. Like,

882
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: you can't say that they knew what they were doing.

883
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: You might say, yeah, three hundred grand, you don't know

884
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: what rent costs, you don't know what like a car

885
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: costs or what it means in order to just live.

886
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: You don't know about taxes and payroll taxes and all

887
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: that stuff, take home pay versus what you actually are

888
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: supposedly getting paid on paper. These are not decisions that

889
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: we can say lightly that these students knew full and

890
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: well what they were doing, because that's not the case whatsoever.

891
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: And the people who have made sure that they don't

892
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: are these universities. Yes, that's right. And they also were

893
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: sold a bill of goods about you know, what the

894
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: university experience was and all of those things. So I

895
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: think we deserve, they deserve some compassion about it. Shouldn't

896
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: be saddled with a lifetime full of unpayable debt that

897
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: is absolutely insane. Agree with that. Okay, let's move on here.

898
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: There's a real shot across the bow, both in a

899
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: bipartisan way and then in a partisan one, and we'll

900
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: start there with the Democratic Party. So let's put this

901
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Senator John oss Off of

902
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Georgia is going to snub Nancy Pelosi by introducing a

903
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: bill which would ban congressional stock trades. Not only would

904
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: it ban stock trades, it actually would also stop conflicts

905
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: of interests and make it illegal for lawmakers and their

906
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: families to trade stock while in office. Now, no Senate

907
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Republicans have yet signed onto the bill. I am calling

908
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: on a Senate Republican in order to sign onto this.

909
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I know it won't make any of your colleagues happy,

910
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: but that's what it's all about, if you actually want

911
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: to serve the people and do it to stick it

912
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: to Nancy Pelosi. Yes, seriously, I actually framing it in

913
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: that way is probably the best way to get some

914
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: sort of Republican to sign up on this. Look, we

915
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: now know that the Stock Act is woefully inadequate. It

916
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: only requires them in order to report trades unusual. Wales,

917
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: who is a great account who Crystal and I will follow,

918
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: just put out a new report on congressional stock trades.

919
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: I actually think we need a little bit more time

920
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: to delve into it, just because it came out yesterday,

921
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: and we'll put that on the show on Thursday, and

922
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: we will show you every member the trades they made,

923
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: how they beat the S and P five hundred only

924
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: fifty three hedge funds or whatever. Happy. Yes, flurry is

925
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: of activity around major legislative events and Congress beat the

926
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: market because they're just such trading giuses soccer than That's

927
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: what it is. That's what I'm saying. I mean, look

928
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: at these people and be like, I know you, you're

929
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: an idiot. There's no way that you made money better

930
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: than the guys on Wall Street. Something is going on

931
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: here and look you see all of this we see

932
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: now effort by John Assoff. I would say that this

933
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: is one of those areas where without the Internet, this

934
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: would not be happening. And it's because of the Stock Act,

935
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: is because of people like us and unusual Wales people

936
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I'm not giving us all the credit. I'm

937
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: saying we're just a small part of this ecosystem of

938
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: trying to bring this to light, getting people in public,

939
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: major public consciousness to talk about it. That people are

940
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: representatives are saying, hey, the smart ones at least there's

941
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: a lot of energy around this online. I could use

942
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: this to score political points for myself and make Congress

943
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: less corrupt. And it just broke this morning that Kevin McCarthy,

944
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: the House Republican leader, is now floating if the House

945
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: takes back the majority to try to stick it to

946
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, they will consider a ban on lawmakers holding

947
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: and trading stock. Now, some of the details it's still

948
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: up in the air, but here's what they said. Planning

949
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: is in early stages. One idea would be to force

950
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: lawmakers to hold only professionally managed mutual funds. Another proposal

951
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: is that it would bar lawmakers from holding stocks and

952
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: companies or industries that their committees oversee. Other members have

953
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: advocated for mandatory blind trusts for lawmakers holdings. Look, there

954
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: are problems in all three of those, but any of

955
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: them would be better than the status quo if we

956
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: could even get it to the blind trust. Still, the

957
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: fact that Nancy Pelosi and her husband are out there

958
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: trading m time million dollar deals in terms of options

959
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: and more may no hours before votes, that is just outrageous.

960
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: So if we can at least crack down on that,

961
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: it will be a victory. Look, I've been here for

962
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: a long time. I know that this will probably never

963
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: ever come to pass. But a ten percent improvement is

964
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: still a ten percent improvement, and that's what I would

965
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: like to see when it comes to this. Well, on

966
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: the hopeful side, to your point about the Stock Act,

967
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: which is obviously woefully insufficient, but it gave the tools

968
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: for some folks online to really compellingly make this case

969
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: about corruption why it is so important to go a

970
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: lot further. So, in a way, it was potentially a

971
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: gateway drug at least to exposing the public and creating

972
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: this heat that is now putting pressure on both Democrats

973
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: and Republicans to change what is an obviously abhorrent situation.

974
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: We covered here Stephanie Ruhle and Aaron Ross Sorkin being like,

975
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: this is insane. Why are they allowed to do that?

976
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, when you've lost yeah, you lost Park moment,

977
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: We like I on Park. Also, one other update that

978
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: came through is Richard Clared I think is his last name,

979
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: who's one of the Federal Reserve folks who was under

980
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: fire for potential sort of corrupt training. Resigned and stepped down.

981
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: So again another instance where you know, the revelation of

982
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: this behavior of the public pressure the outreach online may

983
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: have actually led to a real world result here. So

984
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot to say about this. First of all,

985
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: let's just marvel at the colossal failure of Democrats to

986
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: give Republicans a lane to get to the left of them,

987
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: to get to a better well left right, forget about it,

988
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: to get to a better place on corruption than where

989
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: they ultimately are. We all remember some of this flurry

990
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: of activity got kicked off by Nancy Pelosi's disgraceful comments

991
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: justifying the current status quo with regards to our public

992
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: servants and trading stocks. Let's take a listen to that

993
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: metascacure insider just compuni five months investigation finding up unite

994
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: members of Congress and one hundred and eighty two secure

995
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: congressional stoppers A violated the stockcast the intire dream law.

996
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you have any react to that. And secondly,

997
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: should members of Congress that their spouses the bands and

998
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: trading individual stocks while starting in Congress? No, I don't

999
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: know to this second mine any we have a responsibility

1000
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: to report in the stock on the staff, but I don't.

1001
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with that five month review. But if

1002
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: the people aren't reporting, they should be because is this

1003
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: is a free market in people, we are free market

1004
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: economy that should be able to participate in that. Yeah,

1005
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: market economy should be able to restuccipate in that I mean,

1006
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: and that will be one of the questions if McCarthy

1007
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: is serious, big if and not just using this as

1008
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: a way to sort of, you know, posture heading into

1009
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: the midterms, all of which are big ifs. One of

1010
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: the big questions will be whether the rules apply to

1011
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: spouses and family members, because if her husband is the

1012
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: main initiator of a lot of these trades exactly. And

1013
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: it's not just Pelosi actually ass Off, I mean one

1014
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: of some of the commentary around him and Warnock both

1015
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: partly they owe their seats in the Senate to the

1016
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: fact that both of their opponents were sort of caught

1017
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: accused of pandemic insider trading. Neither was found guilty of charge,

1018
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, but there was a lot of

1019
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: public consternation about some of the trades that these individuals had,

1020
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: huge and huge Luffler did too, they both did. So

1021
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: that was actually a really important part of both their campaigns.

1022
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: And I think that's an important thing too, is that

1023
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: the fact that you have public outrage online that whether

1024
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: this is true or not, potentially Ossoff and Warnock feel

1025
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: like they owe their positioning in Congress to you know,

1026
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: exposing the wrongdoing and corruption of certain members of Congress.

1027
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: It created a situation where, you know, are kind of

1028
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: posturing to get to the right place on this issue.

1029
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: Some so it's a little bit of encouraging bipartisan potential,

1030
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: possible progress. At least some of them are saying the

1031
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: right things at this point. Yeah, that's right, Ryssel, what

1032
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: are you taking a look at? Well, Guys, I've been

1033
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: saying for a while that a major problem for Joe

1034
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: Biden is that even if he wanted to forcefully make

1035
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: the case for a particular policy or particular vision, I

1036
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: just wasn't really sure he was up to that task.

1037
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: He's definitely lost some pep in his steps since the

1038
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: days when he was mopping the floor with you Pee

1039
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: wonder Kin, Paul Ryan and the vice presidential debate. But

1040
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: last week he kind of proved me wrong. On January sixth,

1041
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: he did, in fact deliver a forceful and effective speech.

1042
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: Take a lessen. He's not just a former president. He's

1043
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: a defeated former president, defeated by a margin over seven

1044
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: million of your votes in a full and free and

1045
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: fair election. There are simply zero proof the election results

1046
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: are inaccurate. Watching that, I could not help but think,

1047
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: where is this energy on literally anything else. If you

1048
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: can muster this type of stirring rebuke of Trump's actions

1049
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: from January six, then surely theoretically you could muster this

1050
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: type of channeled outrage at the greedy corporation's raising prices,

1051
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: or the sold out politicians blocking wage increases for working

1052
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: class people, or the pharmaceutical giants charging Americans triple what

1053
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the world pays for the very same drugs.

1054
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: If not, apparently the Biden is unable to do these things.

1055
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: He's just willing, And turns out I'm not the only

1056
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: one who is frustrated and disgusted by some of these failures.

1057
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: The junior senator from Vermont one, Bernie Sanders, he's had

1058
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: it too, lashing out at the failures the Biden administration

1059
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: and the Democratic Party in a new interview with Stephen Greenhouse,

1060
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: he tells Greenhouse quote, we have tried a strategy over

1061
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: the last several months, which has been mostly backdoor negotiations

1062
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: with a handful of senators. It hasn't succeeded on build

1063
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: back better or on voting rune. It has demoralized millions

1064
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: of Americans. Now this is striking because Senator Sanders was

1065
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: actually a central part of that backdoor negotiation strategy for

1066
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: Build Back Better. As chairman of the Senate Budget Committee,

1067
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: Senator Sanders played a key role in crafting the initial

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Speaker 1: Bernie also played an even more critical role in getting

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Speaker 1: Progressives on board with the White House's strategy of breaking

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Speaker 1: build back Better apart from the bipartisan Infrastructure Deal. Now,

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Speaker 1: Bernie was always clear he didn't like that direction, but

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Speaker 1: he did accept it, and he brought the Squad and

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Speaker 1: other progressives along with a promise that the two pieces

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Speaker 1: of legislation would ultimately pass in tandem. He promised that,

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Speaker 1: of course, was broken and a strategy that fell apart

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Speaker 1: when nearly all Progressives cave to media and leadership pressure

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Speaker 1: and passed the bipartisan Infrastructure Deal. In other words, Bernie

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Speaker 1: played the good soldier for the Biden and admin. He

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Speaker 1: stayed on script, not saying things that might upset the

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Speaker 1: apple cart with mansion or cinema, and ultimately it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It was a failed strategy for Biden, and it was

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Speaker 1: a failed strategy for Bernie and the Progressives too. These

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Speaker 1: new remarks seem like an opening salvo and a more

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Speaker 1: pointed critique of the party, especially because they don't actually

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Speaker 1: come in isolation. In addition to trashing the Biden administration strategy,

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Speaker 1: Bernie trashed the direction of the Democratic Party writ large.

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Speaker 1: He told Stephen Greenhouse in that interview, quote, it is

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Speaker 1: no great secret that the Republican Party is winning more

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Speaker 1: and more support from working people. It's not because the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party has anything to say to them. It's because,

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Speaker 1: in too many ways, the Democratic Party has turned its

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Speaker 1: back on the working class. Even more striking, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: was Bernie's statement on January sixth. He said what he

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Speaker 1: needed to say about the general awfulness of that day,

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Speaker 1: but he also dared to suggest that Democrats and Republicans

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Speaker 1: both shared some blame for leading the country to such

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Speaker 1: a horrendous place. Quote Over and over again, people in

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Speaker 1: this country see the very rich become much richer, while

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Speaker 1: politicians in the corporate media ignore the collapse of the

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Speaker 1: middle class and the painful realities facing working families. He continued,

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Speaker 1: Democrat or Republican who cares nothing changes, or if it does,

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Speaker 1: it's usually for the worst. Okay, so he's saying the

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Speaker 1: right stuff. What does it matter? The inept corporate wing

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party is all the power, all the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media organs. Bernie has proven himself to only be

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Speaker 1: willing to go so far when it comes to criticizing

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden personally, but he does still matter for progressives

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Speaker 1: in a big way. He does still set the tone

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Speaker 1: both for elected squad members and for a lot of

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Speaker 1: lefties on the outside. And he's just created a permission

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Speaker 1: structure for some of the less courageous voices on that

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Speaker 1: side of the aisle to criticize the party and the president.

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Speaker 1: It's no accident that this comes at the very same

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Speaker 1: time the progressives are starting to suggest a journalist that

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Speaker 1: they may just mount a primary challenge of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: I recently highlighted this article from Politico's Holly Otterbid, who

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Speaker 1: is well sourced on the left. The piece suggests Needed

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Speaker 1: Turner or Marian Williamson could primary Biden. Include some pretty

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Speaker 1: bombastic quotes from former Burning campaign manager Jeff Weaver and

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Speaker 1: from former AOC aid corpord trent Is. The piece notes,

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Speaker 1: don't expect such a challenge to come from a current

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Speaker 1: elected but from someone on the outside. Some with some

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Speaker 1: real spine and courage. Failure of the elected left's play

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Speaker 1: nice strategy is just as clear as the failure of

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Speaker 1: the Biden adman's backdoor strategy. At the very least, Bernie's

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Speaker 1: comments and increasing agitation are a sign that they have

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Speaker 1: noticed that. Now will they actually do anything different? Will

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Speaker 1: they enter the second year of the Biden admen still

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Speaker 1: satisfied with Rod and Klaane liking their tweets contend with

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Speaker 1: having more cocktail party invites and having more fun in DC.

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Speaker 1: Gesturing at the party's failures is a step in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. Making some noise about a primary challenge. That's

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Speaker 1: a good start, but talk is cheap. Things will get

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Speaker 1: interesting if they lean into their divides with the Dems

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Speaker 1: on corruption, on curbing corporate creed, on universal programs as

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Speaker 1: opposed to neoliberal means testing, name and shame them, force votes,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, bring on the primary. Let's see where this goes.

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Speaker 1: What did you make of Bernie's comments, because it's definitely

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Speaker 1: a different tone from what we've heard from him, And

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a Premium subscriber today at breakpoints dot com. All right, tacher,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? It can always get worse.

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Speaker 1: That is the ironclad rule of following the corporate media.

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Speaker 1: Despite the fact that CNN, Fox and MSNBC collectively have

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Speaker 1: seen a nearly one third drop in ratings since the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the Biden presidency, they continue to double down

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Speaker 1: on hate bongering content which has no purpose but to

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Speaker 1: balkanize the American public. All three announced programming updates yesterday

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Speaker 1: signifying which direction they're going in in the spiral to

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Speaker 1: the bottom, and each actually bears some analysis for all

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Speaker 1: of us. So let's review, starting with MSNBC. Perhaps the

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Speaker 1: worst personnel update, Simone Sanders, after a failed stint trying

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Speaker 1: to convince the American public that Kamala Harris has anything

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Speaker 1: to say, is joining the Liberal network not only with

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Speaker 1: her very own weekend show, but with an exclusive streaming

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Speaker 1: show on Peacock that will air every day. That's right,

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Speaker 1: while you use Peacock to watch The Office for the

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Speaker 1: nine thousand time, they want to try and trick you

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Speaker 1: into watching brain dead identity Politics hour every day. It

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Speaker 1: really is stutting to me that with the rise of

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Speaker 1: independent media, with the clear and present danger that YouTube

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Speaker 1: and other independent platforms pose to these news organizations with

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Speaker 1: younger people, that they continue to look at a clear

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Speaker 1: political hack like Simone Sanders and they go, y, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what kids want. It's that now. Least of

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Speaker 1: all is the hypocrisy. How many times did we hear

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Speaker 1: under Trump that Fox was State TV when Sarah Sanders

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Speaker 1: joined Fox? Or Kaylee mcanenny. It was gross inside insiderism

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Speaker 1: that MSNBC would rail and rail about. But now they

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Speaker 1: literally hire someone straight out of the White House comm

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Speaker 1: shop and their criticism is nowhere to be found. Hypocrisy

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Speaker 1: is an understatement. It underscores now that while they might

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Speaker 1: be correct sometimes in their criticism of Fox News and

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Speaker 1: its proximity to the Trump campaign, the Trump White House,

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Speaker 1: the RNC, and elsewhere, they are no better at all.

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Speaker 1: They are the same revolving door. It is especially fitting

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Speaker 1: to me that Simone Sanders' final act in the White

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Speaker 1: House was protecting Kamala Harris from a single critical question

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Speaker 1: from Charlemagne in their most recent interview, where she claimed

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Speaker 1: that they couldn't hear him ask who the real president

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Speaker 1: was and then tried to cut the interview short. Let's

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Speaker 1: relive that moment just for good measure. Who's the superhero

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Speaker 1: that's gonna speak against Joe Manchin? I want to know

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Speaker 1: who's the real president of this country? Is it? Is

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Speaker 1: it Joe Biden and Joe Manchin? It's hard. She can

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Speaker 1: hear me? Can you hear me? Now? Can you hear me? Mahit? President?

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Speaker 1: They're acting like they can't hear me. I can hear you.

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Speaker 1: So there is no universe in which someone like that,

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Speaker 1: whose former job to be a paid propagandist for the

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Speaker 1: current administration, she could be charged in any way by

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Speaker 1: a news organization to tell anyone what's going on. But

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Speaker 1: that's where we are. It's no surprise really. Over at CNN,

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Speaker 1: it's just as bleak, but for different reasons. CNN announced

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Speaker 1: that the former host of nprs All Things Considered, Audie Cornish,

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Speaker 1: is joining CNN Plus, where she will host a weekly show,

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Speaker 1: a podcast, and occasionally appear on the main channel. Once again,

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Speaker 1: I actually asked this with respect for NPR, or at

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Speaker 1: least the product that they had before they used it

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Speaker 1: to go woke, Who would pay to actually watch a

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Speaker 1: worse version of All Things Considered on a crappy streaming

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Speaker 1: channel that isn't even allowed to give you the news.

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Speaker 1: The dirty secret of CNN and MSNBC's streaming platforms is

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Speaker 1: they are not allowed to deliver any of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that makes cable news even worth watching in the first place,

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Speaker 1: live news, live shots of the Capitol, or storm being stormed,

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Speaker 1: BLM riots nine to eleven. That stuff is reserved for cable,

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Speaker 1: and it will be for a decade or more due

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Speaker 1: to lucrative contact contracts that they assigned a long time

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Speaker 1: ago with the cable companies and from which they derived

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Speaker 1: the majority of their revenue. Finally, though, there is Fox.

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Speaker 1: After a long and tortured search for the host of

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Speaker 1: the seven pm hour on Fox News, they decided they

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Speaker 1: were going to replace a straight news show with Jesse Waters.

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Speaker 1: Waters is perhaps best known in America for his sojourn

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Speaker 1: into Chinatown in Manhattan of twenty sixteen to ridicule old

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Speaker 1: Chinese people. But to me, his most recent admission on

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Speaker 1: the air is the most problematic. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: But do I feel sorry for Joe Biden? No, I

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Speaker 1: work at Fox. I want to see disarray on the left.

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Speaker 1: It's good for America, It's good for our ratings that

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Speaker 1: was a week ago. It's a really gross admission. The

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Speaker 1: worst things are for the country, the better for Fox,

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Speaker 1: the better for him, and I guess the better first

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Speaker 1: primetime show. I can't stand Joe Biden and we cover

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Speaker 1: him critically all the time, as I hope for Trump,

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Speaker 1: Obama and even Bush before that, one of the country

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Speaker 1: to do well. That's what being patriotic really means. It's

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Speaker 1: what gives away the whole game here. They don't care

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Speaker 1: about you, and they don't care about information. They care

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Speaker 1: about making money and ripping everybody apart. Each individual network

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Speaker 1: is looking at the things that we are doing here

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Speaker 1: and what so many others are doing in this space,

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Speaker 1: and they are trying to bamboozle you with their familiar

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Speaker 1: bag of tricks to stay relevant. And as I've said before,

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Speaker 1: that probably won't work in an actually free market. But

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Speaker 1: we're not dumb. That's not what we're dealing with here.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that we need to realize as it

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Speaker 1: comes out that Simone and Sanders show will be a

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Speaker 1: massive flop, and CNN Plus is likely to be one

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Speaker 1: of the dumbest and most obviously failed projects in modern

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Speaker 1: TV history. It won't matter. They will prop them up

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Speaker 1: with fake new views from their legacy operations. They'll dial

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Speaker 1: up censorship calls to eleven already. I see the ground laid.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times just ran that piece days ago

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Speaker 1: about how misinformation is skyrocketing on the podcast format. The

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Speaker 1: implication is obvious. The RSS feed has to be censored.

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Speaker 1: We cannot have pesky podcasters doing whatever they want. The

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Speaker 1: dream of the free and open Internet has not been

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Speaker 1: alive for a long time. But the real war is

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Speaker 1: still coming, because as soon as reality hits these idiots

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Speaker 1: in the face, they will come for all of us. Personally,

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Speaker 1: I'm geared up and I'm ready for it. But be

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Speaker 1: aware as a consumer, it is going to be an

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Speaker 1: existential battle for actual truth. That's the thing I continue

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Speaker 1: to think here, Crystal, I mean Simone Sanders streaming show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what kids want. Like, let's take and if you

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Speaker 1: want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a

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Speaker 1: premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us now.

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Speaker 1: Great friend of the show, Rachel Bovarg. She's here to

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Speaker 1: talk about all things tech. Rachel. It's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Great to be back. Great to see you, Rachel. All right, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: you're bringing on for our favorite role, which is let's

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Speaker 1: go after the tools in Congress. Let's put us up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. Dan Crenshaw, he's got a new

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Speaker 1: Section two thirty bill. This came a little bit to

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Speaker 1: light within the Republicans when Marjorie Taylor Green was banned

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Speaker 1: from Twitter. Just give us some of the breakdown here

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Speaker 1: about what Dan Crenshaw says he wants to do about

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Speaker 1: big tech and why he's mostly full of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this came in the wake of Marjor Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: being banned from Twitter, but also in the wake of

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Speaker 1: this weird feud that was going on between Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 1: Green and Dan Crenshaw. And you know, as a result

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Speaker 1: of this feud and her banning, Dan Crenshaw says, well, Marjorie, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a serious member of Congress. I'm legislating on this issue,

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Speaker 1: and here's my legislation that would prevent you from being

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Speaker 1: banned from Twitter. The problem, of course, is that that's

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Speaker 1: not what his legislation does. And to make it worse,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like this is a bill the Republicans would

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Speaker 1: have put out like three or four years ago when

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Speaker 1: they were still trying to figure out how exactly tech

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Speaker 1: censorship worked. Our section two thirty, So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: an embarrassing effort. So start from the basics of for

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Speaker 1: people who don't understand, what is section two thirty, why

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Speaker 1: are people so obsessed with it? And what is Crenshaw's

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Speaker 1: bill purport to do? Yes, So section two thirty is

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Speaker 1: this very tiny provision of law passed in as part

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Speaker 1: of a larger telecommunications bill in nineteen ninety six, designed

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Speaker 1: to do one thing, and that is to get porn

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Speaker 1: off the internet. That was that is all it was

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Speaker 1: designed to do, was to clean up the Internet essentially

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Speaker 1: by giving these tech companies that Yeah, it's designed to

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Speaker 1: help solve the moderator's dilemma, right, which is, how do

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Speaker 1: you incentivize these companies to take down content no one

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Speaker 1: actually wants to see? It's not just porn, it's like harassing, vulgar,

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Speaker 1: lud lasivius, all defined in the law, you know, without

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Speaker 1: making them liable for it. And so it gave them

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Speaker 1: a big sort of bulletproof shield from third party liability.

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Speaker 1: So whatever users post, the companies can't be sued for it.

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Speaker 1: Now over the course of decades, what actually was a

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Speaker 1: porous liability, it was meant to be fairly contained, has

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Speaker 1: been contorted by the courts into this insane, bulletproof liability

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Speaker 1: that protects them from all kinds of things, including and

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Speaker 1: hosting sex traffickers online. You know, they will now argue

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Speaker 1: in court. Facebook actually just made this argument in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court of Texas that, oh, you know, we know

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Speaker 1: that these kids were trafficked into sex labry, these fourteen

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Speaker 1: and fifteen year old girls, but we're not liable for that.

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Speaker 1: That's their problem. And so there's a lot of focus

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Speaker 1: on this issue from the right and the left, but

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Speaker 1: primarily from where the right sits. You know, their biggest

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Speaker 1: concern with tech is censorship. They feel like their voices

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Speaker 1: are being shut down. And so naturally from where the

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Speaker 1: right sits, they look at Section two thirty and they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is a benefit that's being given to these companies

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Speaker 1: by the government. We should then be able to put

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Speaker 1: criteria or layer criteria into this benefit. That's sort of

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Speaker 1: a very conservative way of thinking about things. If I

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Speaker 1: can frame this, the idea is, tell me if I'm

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Speaker 1: right or wrong about this. The idea is, since you're

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Speaker 1: receiving this benefit with the understanding that you're just a

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Speaker 1: neutral platform, you're not performing the functions of the traditional

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Speaker 1: publisher picking and choosing what viewpoints are represented. Those are

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Speaker 1: the circumstances under which you've been granted this benefit, and

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Speaker 1: you all aren't playing by those rules. Is that kind

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Speaker 1: of the idea. Yeah, that's how the right tends to

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Speaker 1: view it. Now, people will nitpick at you and say, well,

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Speaker 1: the word's neutral and platform are not in the law

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Speaker 1: and all, and you'll get into the like it make

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Speaker 1: you want to bang your head against the wall, kind

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Speaker 1: of like tedious wordsmithing. But that's generally how the right

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Speaker 1: views it. They say, we should have a role here

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Speaker 1: because this is a benefit the government created. Right, This

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Speaker 1: isn't the government sort of meddling in business. It's just

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Speaker 1: sort of tweaking a benefit they already receive. Got it.

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Speaker 1: And so let's get into the Crenshaw bill, because I

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Speaker 1: would say that Crenshaw's bill is probably what mainstream of

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Speaker 1: the actual Republican legislator not necessarily the base. What exactly

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Speaker 1: does he claim that he wants to do about it?

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Speaker 1: So he claims that he says this will ban all

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Speaker 1: political censorship because it will limit you know, what the benefit,

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Speaker 1: what the benefit is at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: So if you are going to receive Section two thirty,

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Speaker 1: you cannot censor on I think it was like religious, political,

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Speaker 1: sexual identity, like all the lists this criteria. But then,

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Speaker 1: and this is a hang up that a lot of

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Speaker 1: section two thirty bills have, he says, but they can censor,

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Speaker 1: They can do whatever they want as long as they

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Speaker 1: clearly list it in their terms of service. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of the hang up for people because

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Speaker 1: Republicans say, well, they've made it clear, but nobody reads

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Speaker 1: the terms service, right. How many times do you just

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: click through all those shrink wrap agreements You don't actually

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Speaker 1: read them. And so at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: his bill doesn't actually prohibit this as long as the

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Speaker 1: companies are just going to be straightforward about what they

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Speaker 1: are going to do. And they're very shameless in how

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Speaker 1: they ban people anyway, so you think they'll probably just

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Speaker 1: be shameless in their terms. Oh, we see it all

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Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, And there's like very limited enforcement mechanisms.

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Speaker 1: He does, interestingly rely on an enforcement mechanism at the

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Speaker 1: FTC made popular on the right by Senator Josh Holly,

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Speaker 1: But a lot of conservatives are like, oh no, Josh Holly,

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Speaker 1: we can't do that. Dan Crenshaw does that, but then

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Speaker 1: he also preempts any state efforts to actually legislate on

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Speaker 1: this issue, which right now you're seeing various states iterate

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Speaker 1: on this question from you know, most famously Texas and

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Speaker 1: Florida are in the courts right now. Big tech hates that,

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Speaker 1: like Google hates that, and so Dan Crenshaw's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll give tech pass from the state efforts. That's important.

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Speaker 1: Does this bill have legs? Is it popular within the

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Speaker 1: Republican caucus? Is this something that they will likely move

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Speaker 1: on if slash when they take the majority. So this

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Speaker 1: is one of the really interesting things about this bill,

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Speaker 1: and what actually prompted me to write the piece itself

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Speaker 1: was that Dan Crenshaw didn't write this bill. The bill.

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Speaker 1: He posted the fire both the file path and the

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Speaker 1: where it was hosted was on the Energy and Commerce website.

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Speaker 1: So Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans drafted this bill as

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Speaker 1: part of a they say, larger package of reforms they

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Speaker 1: intend to introduce should they take the majority to address

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Speaker 1: Section two three and that's housed within their jurisdiction. Now

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Speaker 1: that is you know, okay, but you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think this is a bill that they necessarily should be

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Speaker 1: proud of. And I think it's kind of hilarious that

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Speaker 1: Crenshaw's claiming credit for work he didn't do after claiming

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Speaker 1: to be the responsible Yeah the response. Yeah, And of

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Speaker 1: course he is always that's what he likes to do.

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Speaker 1: He always likes to talk down about populism as if

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Speaker 1: he's some sort of genius. I think he recently said

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Speaker 1: that anybody what was it opposed to forever War is

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Speaker 1: not a serious person. Those are pretty much direct quote

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Speaker 1: from him. The reason though, that I did want to

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Speaker 1: talk about this too, is because if there is, the

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Speaker 1: GOP says there's going to be a big governing agenda,

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Speaker 1: and we were making fun of before the segment. Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy put out a statement. He's like, if we retake power,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do a parent's Bill of rights, energy

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Speaker 1: independence and create jobs. And as you so aptly put

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Speaker 1: you were like, hey, you know, at two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight called and wants his talking points back. But I

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: also remember like George W. Bush talking this way, So

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Speaker 1: you recently put this out there. Let's put this up

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01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: there on the screen, which is that Americans are threatened

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Speaker 1: by public health, corporate state tyranny, out of control tech companies,

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Speaker 1: the rise of China, university and public schools, teaching, racism,

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Speaker 1: de industrialization, precarious middle class economics, and the GOP is

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Speaker 1: like no way, seriously energy independence. So is this bill

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Speaker 1: kind of a preview of what is likely to come

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Speaker 1: out of the Republican controlled Congress? Do you have any

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: like hope, like, what are you seeing given that a

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: sweep is very likely next year? Yeah, it's depressing. I

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: mean it's we're white knuckle ride here this way, like

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: hoping that they do something better than this. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's this this sort of regressing back to the mean.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like Donald Trump never even happened. I mean

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Speaker 1: right after Donald Trump, you know, lost his reelect. You remember,

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Speaker 1: there were all these think pieces right on the Republican

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Speaker 1: side that were like, oh a, you know, pan ethnic,

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Speaker 1: working class, you know, a culture focused GOP, you know,

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Speaker 1: working class economics, we can do this, And it's like, hello,

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Speaker 1: did Kevin Crky read any of that? Yeah, because again,

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Speaker 1: you know what they we're just going to say working class.

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Speaker 1: More right, We'll just like wave the flag around the

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Speaker 1: Keystone pipeline and say it's working class, because that is

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Speaker 1: essentially what this is. And like, I come back to

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Speaker 1: this idea of the Keystone pipeline because it is this

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Speaker 1: like the shiniest, most blinding object in Republican politics, this

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Speaker 1: idea that you know, it doesn't have to just be

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: energy in dependence, but you take one thing that really

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Speaker 1: makes no bit of difference and you rally the troops

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Speaker 1: around it to say you're doing something. That is what

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01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: his entire statement says to me. And you know, on

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Speaker 1: the tech side, it's it's kind of the same thing.

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: It's like you sort of wave a flag that you're

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01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: doing something without actually doing something. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: Crunchhaw bill isn't, I hope, not representative of the entire

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01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: sort of agenda. You're seeing bills from other members that

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01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: I think are a little bit more promising. But that's

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Speaker 1: all on the section two thirty side, which, if you've

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Speaker 1: watched the tech debate, is such a small component of

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: what the big tech threat is. You know, it seems

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01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, Trump has enabled this shift back

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: to the mean because the Mean was there for a reason.

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: It's because it's very comfortable for their donors and their

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Speaker 1: social circle. Like the MEAN is a place where it's

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Speaker 1: comfortable to live. And since he made his movement all

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Speaker 1: about like just personal loyalty to him and what you're

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: willing to say about stop the steal, then they were

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Speaker 1: free to do whatever they wanted. That was sort of

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Speaker 1: favor continues to be favorable to corporate interests without facing

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Speaker 1: any sort of political consequences for that. As long as

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Speaker 1: you say the right words about Trump the man himself,

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Speaker 1: then you're being true to trump Ism and that's that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really has let them take a pass, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's really disappointing because some of the things that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump did that that people didn't even really talk

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Speaker 1: about at the time. We're a road map, i think

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Speaker 1: for where the Republican Party could go. I'm thinking specifically

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01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: of how he engaged on Medicare Part D drug pricing,

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Speaker 1: how he put in a small but present tax on

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Speaker 1: some of those university endowments, you know, how he really

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Speaker 1: you know, tried to go after insurance companies in some

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Speaker 1: certain ways. Like this, that's the work the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: needs to be doing. Yeah, but then it says everything

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Speaker 1: that that small tax on university endowments comes in the

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Speaker 1: context of a gigantic giveaway to go of course, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're talking baby steps. We're not talking like you know,

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Speaker 1: the Mountain Muhammad moving the map, but like that was

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Speaker 1: a big shift, you know, for Republican administration. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at if you want to create energy

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Speaker 1: around those things and move the party forward on those things,

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Speaker 1: you're just not seeing it. And I think it's a

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Speaker 1: real disappointment if Kevin McCarthy thinks that, you know, that

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Speaker 1: agenda is going to win him a sustainable majority. It's

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Speaker 1: this is what always happens. It's like Republicans think they're

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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: winning because they're great and not realizing they're winning because

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Speaker 1: Democrats are imploding and they have to have something more

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Speaker 1: than just like a two thousand and eight or someone

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Speaker 1: pointed out to me, more of a nineteen eighty six style.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been fairly fairly consistent for all of

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Speaker 1: that time, So you really think any year it really

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Speaker 1: is regressing to me. In my last question, Rachel, you

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Speaker 1: would know a lot better than me. What is the

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Speaker 1: thinking amongst the people who are around Trump whenever it

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Speaker 1: comes to all of this Trump himself. Look, the energy

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Speaker 1: is all on stop the steal. But as we've discovered

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Speaker 1: in the White House, the people around him matter a

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Speaker 1: lot more than the man himself. Do they see, you know,

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Speaker 1: the problems with Kevin McCarthy. Are they down with it?

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Speaker 1: Are they ambivalent? Kind of where is the actual ecosystem

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Speaker 1: around Trump the man himself? What do they think? I

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Speaker 1: think that everyone at this point. My sense is there

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Speaker 1: is not any focus on the policy particulars like it

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Speaker 1: is much more folk. I mean, it's politics, and it's

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Speaker 1: egos and it's you know, all the things that I

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Speaker 1: think we're really distracting about the Trump administration in the

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Speaker 1: first place. That is just like turned up to eleven.

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Speaker 1: So all right, well, hopeful note here we can end.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rachel. We always appreciate your insight all that.

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Speaker 1: We'll have links down there in the description, and you're

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Speaker 1: of course welcome back here on the show anytime. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for your support. Of course is a

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Speaker 1: premium link down there in description, but we won't for you,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you all next week all right, sorry

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. On Thursday, Bott