1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Steve Palozzolo is the senior analyst at Pro 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Football Focused and he is the host of Pro Football 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Focus NFL podcast. Go to Pro Football Focus, go to 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: PF dot com. Use the promo code draft thirty for 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: thirty percent off any PF subscription. Steve, where are you 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: today on what's going to happen at number three? Overall? 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: You locked in? You know, I've been believing it's Justin 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: Fields despite all of the smoke. I'm getting talked you 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: out of that by, you know, the more people I 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: speak to. But you know, I thought it was Fields 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: for a while because I just thought he was the 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: best combination of passing and running and what Kyle Shanahan 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: might want to do. I am starting to believe the 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: mac Jones hype and that Trey Lance might be number two. 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: So I'm believing in you know, it's probably mac Jones. 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: But deep down, I'm believing that Kyle Shanahan made the 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: decision that it's Justin Fields because I think that's the 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: best selection for the four nine ers. But Justin Fields 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: isn't his kind of quarterback? That's my only thought on that. 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: Do I think Justin Fields is as talented, if not 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: more so. Yes, But does he fit what Kyle Shanahan 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: wants in a quarterback and considering who he's had, you know, 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: the comp that I got this morning from his source 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: was he's like Matt Ryan. Yeah. I mean so when 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: I look at when I look at Shanahan historically, right, 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: he has done an incredible job of elevating quarterbacks. I 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: think we all agree on that. Matt Shop and you know, 29 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: but the two times that he had kind of a 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: trump card was twenty twelve with RG three where they 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: had a rushing attack in the play action game you know, 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: was multiplied by ten. And then Matt Ryan was the 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: MVP season in twenty and sixteen. So I'm thinking, okay, 34 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna chase one of those two things. So you 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks who can run, they can add that 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: run game components, you know, change the arithmetic at the 37 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. That's what the Shanahan's do. The Shanahan's 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: will put on the earth to make defenses, you know, 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: not be able to defend the run, and a running 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: quarterback does that. So I'm thinking, okay, that's just Fields 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: or it's Trey Lance. And then Fields is a little 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: bit slow at times he holds the ball, but three 43 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: seconds per dropback that's not fast enough. He's got to 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: work a little bit quicker. But the Shanahan offense makes 45 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: that easier. And when Fields throws the ball, he's as 46 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: accurate as any quarterback in the league. So that's why 47 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: I thought that was the best combination of accuracy, but 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: also that run game component that Fields brings. The Falcons 49 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: are interesting here because I don't know if they know 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: who they are right now. Are they a playoff caliber team? 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Do you add Kyle Pitts, do you trade Julio Jones, 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: do you draft Matt Ryan's successor where do you think 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: they go? I think the way they structured Matt Ryan's contract, 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: they're pretty much tied to him for two more years, 55 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: which means, okay, they got to make a run. How 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: do you build around Matt Ryan? And I think it's 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: just an odd draft because there might not be a 58 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: defensive player off the board till nine or ten. I mean, 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: that hasn't happened since nineteen ninety nine when it was 60 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: seventh overall. So the Falcons would love to go defense. 61 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: I think they'd love to trade down and accumulate draft 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: capital because their defense is just depleted. But Kyle Pitts 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: is really intriguing there, especially if Julio's there or not. 64 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: There's only three teams in the league who have a 65 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts like a player. It's Travis Kelsey, George Kittle, 66 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: and maybe Darren Waller with the Raiders. So you put 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts on the field with Julio, with Calvin Ridley. 68 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Even if Julio ends up getting traded. Kyle Pitts is 69 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: an absolute game changer, and that's going to make the 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: next two years of Matt Ryan in Atlanta look a 71 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: lot easier. But I'm if I'm Atlanta, I'm exploring trading 72 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Julio Jones to get a defensive player from somebody in return. 73 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: I want an impact defensive player for Julio Jones. If 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I can get that at age thirty two, that way 75 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: I can take Kyle Pitts, and I think I've strengthened 76 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: my team. I've got Pits on a rookie contract and 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: he's going to be a game changer. I lose a 78 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: game changer, but now I get somebody to help us defensively, 79 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: because if you draft Kyle Pitts and keep Julio Jones, 80 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: this just means you lose forty two to thirty five. Yeah, 81 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean there's Look, they're so depleted defensively. They drafted 82 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: aj Terrella cornerback in the first round. They still probably 83 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: need two more corners. The Bucks just resigned Antonio Brown. 84 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: You're not keeping up with the Bucks with only one 85 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: half decent cornerback. So yeah, I agree, the entire back 86 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: seven does need to be overhauled in Atlanta. So exploring 87 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: the Julio trade, which would be a post June first trade, 88 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a smart move. It's got to be 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: at the right value though, because there's also an element 90 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: of it's an offensive league and the way you win 91 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL. We saw this. We seen this with 92 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Bucks, the Bills. It's how do you 93 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: defend this offense? You keep defensive coordinators up at night, 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: how do you defend this? And I'm really intrigued by 95 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: how do you defend Julio, Calvin Ridley, and Kyle Pitts 96 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: all at the same time. Best rosters heading into the draft. 97 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: Give me the top two or three yeah, I mean, 98 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: I think you look at the entire final four last year. 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: Of course, the Bucks and the Chiefs are both in there. 100 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: The Bucks are I mean, they brought everybody back. It 101 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: has to be them. The Chiefs are up there, The 102 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: Bills and the Packers are all up there. But we 103 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: just did a ranking over at PF dot com a 104 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: couple weeks ago in the Cleveland Browns were a number two. 105 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: And this is the drafts in Cleveland. They're picking late 106 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: in the first round. Then there's talent. This is strictly 107 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: talent on the roster, the Browns of the second most 108 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: talented team in the NFL. Yeah, when you look up 109 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: and down as far as there's no real glaring holes, 110 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: and where there is a hole, it might be linebacker, 111 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: which you know, it's it's less important in today's NFL 112 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: unless you have a great one. You know, it's it's 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: just a tough position to play. So the Browns have 114 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: incredible depth. They have a good quarterback in Baker Mayfield, 115 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: so they actually go into the draft without any glaring 116 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: needs and then they could, you know, pick the best 117 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: players for their roster. Where do you have justin fields 118 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: going I mean again, deep down I was thinking, Okay, 119 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: the Niners don't. They're not really putting all this stuff out. 120 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: Maybe they love Justin Fields. They want to just make 121 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: sure the Jets don't take him if he doesn't go 122 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: to the Niners at three, which has been my inkling. 123 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: I think Denver's in play at nine. I think Detroit 124 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: is a wild card at seven because they're just in 125 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: the middle of a rebuild. It's a six year contract 126 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: for Dan Campbell and the new regime there. They don't 127 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: have to force a quarterback. But man, if Justin Fields 128 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: is are you say, Okay, Justin Fields, you're coming in. 129 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: You're sitting behind Jared Goff. You're gonna be our guy 130 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: going forward. I think the Lions at seven, the Broncos 131 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: at nine, and then the Patriots of course at fifteen. 132 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: It's just been in a different offseason for the Patriots 133 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: right the most aggressive offseason in New England Patriots history. 134 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: They could put the cherry on top by trading up 135 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: to go get at Justin Fields and have him be 136 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the successor to Cam Newton. Steve Poundellsolo is the senior 137 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: analyst a Pro Football Focus, host of the PFF NFL podcast, 138 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: First running Back Off the board is who and goes where. 139 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Naja Harris from Alabama. I'm looking at Miami 140 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: at eighteen, and then Pittsburgh it's twenty four. I definitely 141 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh's in the market there for Naj. I think, yeah, 142 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a big believer in running backs going in 143 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: the first round. And the only team I think could 144 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: teams that can handle it might be the Bills or 145 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: the Bucks because their roster strength is so good. But 146 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: I think Miami and Pittsburgh might be in play there 147 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 1: for Naj. If Christian McCaffrey was coming out in this draft, 148 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: where would he go? He would he'd probably be the 149 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: top running back on the board. He still might go 150 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: top fifteen. Again, you know, all of our data and 151 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: analysis says, look, the running back is by far just 152 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: the cherry on the top of a perfect roster, and 153 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: it's not the guy that you want to feature in 154 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: the first round. And even if you don't have a 155 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: ton of needs like some of these other teams we're 156 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: talking about, needs change daily. Look at the Chiefs last year, right, 157 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: they grab the running back. Now they need two tackles, 158 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, coming into this offseason, so McCaffrey would probably 159 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: be the top running back off the board. He'd still 160 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: probably go top fifteen. But I think the league is 161 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: getting a little bit smarter and saying, look, the running 162 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: back is the most interchangeable position in the NFL, even 163 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: with the great Christian McCaffrey. So I think they're starting 164 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: to slide a little bit more than than they have 165 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: in recent years. Does the data show that you shouldn't 166 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: resign a running back? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, part of 167 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: it's the interchangeability. The other part is it's not tough 168 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: to identify differences in talent. You know, Christian McCaffrey's awesome, 169 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Zeke Elliot's awesome, those guys are great, But the difference 170 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: in talent level doesn't show up in production on the field. 171 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: So essentially, you know, rushing production the number uber one 172 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: driver is run blocking or what the defense is doing, 173 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: or simply I mentioned what Shanahan does, right, He just 174 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: counts the box, right, says, look, there's seven guys in 175 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: the box. I got eight blockers. We're winning, you know. 176 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: So that's the biggest issue, and trying to resign a 177 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: running back and paying him a big deal almost never 178 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: pays off. We'll see if Derrick Henry Dalvin Cook. You know, 179 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to buck that trend. It's just not a 180 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: good track record. If I gave you all the players 181 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: in the first round, and I got all the other rounds, 182 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: and we totaled up the number of Pro Bowl appearances, 183 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: would you stay with the first round talent or would 184 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: you take everybody else in the draft? And this particular 185 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: drafter in general, this this particular draft, Yeah, I think 186 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: I'd take the first rounders. I think there's there's a 187 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: little bit more certainty in the first round. I think 188 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: even historically, you get that the NFL's not bad at drafting. 189 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: They're pretty good at picking the best players. It is interesting, though, 190 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: if you if you go back three or four years 191 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: and you say, okay, who are the best thirty two 192 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: players in a given draft? You will have some late 193 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: rounders and some undrafted free agents and all that, but 194 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: for the most part, you do generally get your best 195 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: players in the first round. So I'll take Round one. 196 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: Least talented team in the NFL is who So the 197 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Lions and Texans are both in the mix. The Lions 198 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: have just you know, gutted the entire roster. The Texans 199 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: have been gutting their roster unintentionally the last couple of years, 200 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: trying to build around to Shaun Watson making some mistakes. 201 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: And as of right now, the Jaguars, you know, before 202 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: they draft Trevor Lawrence, have some work to do. But 203 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: I look at the Lions probably as that team that 204 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: is just in full rebuild mode and they have needs 205 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: all over the place. So I'd say, the Lions, give 206 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: me a draft prediction that on Friday, I give you 207 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: credit for I call you or I make fun of you, 208 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: but give me a draft prediction, not an obvious one 209 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: that this audience will take into the draft. All right, 210 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna well first to be justin Fields to 211 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: the night Fields, to stay with it. Stay with it, Steve, 212 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: don't waiver Ofben just because you have experts who were 213 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: saying this, or scout you're insiders, whatever, stay with it 214 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: if you're committed. Let's trying to get into I've been 215 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: trying to get into colleg Shanahan's head this entire time, 216 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: and I still think his head would move towards Justin 217 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: Fields being the guy. But I'll say justin Fields. I'll 218 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: also say maybe there's less quarterback movement than we think. 219 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: You've got those three locked in, or there'll be three 220 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the top. If Fields is the third quarterback 221 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: as I predicted, I don't know if there's as much 222 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: of a market for a mac Jones or even a 223 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: Trey Lance. As far as trade ups go, you might 224 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: see those guys drop a little bit. If it is 225 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: mac Jones at three. I do think Justin Fields becomes 226 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: coveted though, and there'll be some movement in the top ten. 227 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you is always Steve. Have fun 228 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Thank you sounds great. Thanks Dan, Thanks for 229 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 230 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern 231 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 232 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox 233 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 234 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, or 235 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock Act. Mel Kuiper Draft Expert. 236 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: The Disney Company kicks off its presentation of the draft 237 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: starting at eight Eastern on ESPN, ABC, ESPN Deportez, ESPN Radio. 238 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Mike Greenberg will host primetime telecast in Cleveland. You have 239 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: Booker McFarlane, you have Lewis Riddick, Chris Mortenson, Adam Schefter, 240 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: Susie Kolber, and that'll be ESPN's forty second NFL draft telecast. 241 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: Mel Kuiper's been along for the ride for most of 242 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: those years. In fact, is it is it forty years 243 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: you've been doing this or have you been there since 244 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: day one? Mil Danna been doing it for forty three? 245 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: And with the ESPN thirty eight thirty eight? What is 246 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: your mood? Like? How nervous are you? Will you be 247 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: tomorrow night? Not at all? I think, you know, you 248 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: look back over the years to Anna. Maybe in the 249 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: early first couple you were just apprehensive fish you didn't 250 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: really know kind of what to expect. And then Boomer, 251 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: you know, Chris Berman kept me at either was a 252 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: bobbly and Chris bermant those first couple of years and 253 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: that made it easier. And then after that, Dan, you 254 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: just get used to You're always nervous when you don't 255 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: know what to expect. And when you come in you're 256 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three years of age, and I haven't 257 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: had any experience on television obviously, you know, going on 258 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: an NFL draft show is something that you do wonder, Okay, 259 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: how do I do it? What do I do? I 260 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: had no idea it was. There was no way of 261 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: knowing until you actually did it. So after a year 262 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: or two, it's obviously the preparation and you know going 263 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: in and you talk about it, Dan so much as 264 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: you know over the course of the year that by 265 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: the time you get the kind of draft that you're 266 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: ready to get ready to get this thing started and 267 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: find out actually where these guys are going to end. 268 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: When's the last time you were truly surprised? Every year? 269 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: Every year? And that's why mock drafts you do them, Dan, 270 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: but you want to be surprised, and nobody wants to 271 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: know what the presents are under the tree on Christmas morning. 272 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to know who's being picked. That we know 273 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: the first two picks in this draft, Dan, and you know, 274 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about the Jets and Jacksonville anymore. Once about 275 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: a month ago, it's everybody stopped talking about those two 276 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: teams and those two picks. Now it was all about 277 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: forty nine ers and they've kind of kept people guessing 278 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. But we thought mac Jones, but that 279 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: was all about at Land at four. So I think 280 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: when you look at it, it's the unpredictability of just 281 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: about every choice after maybe the first one. And I 282 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: remember back then Drew bledsoe Rick Meyer, you didn't even 283 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: know the morning of the draft for sure the Drew 284 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: was going number one. There's been other drafts like that. 285 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: So I just think that's the anticipation of fans had. 286 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: And the other crazy part for me, Dan is after 287 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: the draft, we do a great show. Okay, we graved 288 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 1: the draft, and yeah, that'll be on Tuesday, yea. And 289 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: even on Monday, when we go through the gauntlet of 290 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: every show talking about the draft, I'll be talking about 291 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: a player to how I mocked him, not where he 292 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: actually went. Because in your mind over the last few months, 293 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: you're thinking, I project this player to this team and 294 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: I've been pretty consistent with it, but that's not where 295 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: he actually went. So once he goes there, you're gonna 296 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: kind of reprogram your mind to say, Okay, he's a 297 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: he's not a cowboy. Now, he's a feeler or whatever 298 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: it may be. Dan. So that that's on Monday and Tuesday, 299 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: it's even more of a challenge than anything you do 300 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: during the course of the year. But what you did 301 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: initially was you projected where a player should go or 302 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: what a team should do. Now it's different in a 303 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: mock draft. If I said what should the Jets do 304 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: at number two overall? Would that be different than what 305 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: the Jets are going to do at number two? Yeah? 306 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: Completely different. I would have kept Sam Darnald and utilized 307 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: that pick by trading down. You say, if you stuck 308 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: it too, you take the best player on your board, 309 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: whatever receiver that is, whether it's Kyle Pitts, Jamar, Chase Devine, 310 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: take Smith, whoever it was. I would have gone four 311 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: or with Sam Darnald. I think Joe Douglas basically admitted 312 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: then said that Okay, had we been picking three, that's 313 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: exactly what we would have done. He fell in love 314 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: with Zach Wilson, and that's why it was a second pick. 315 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: He decided to take Zach and trade Sam. Now, how 316 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: do you like to have been picking thirty? Would have 317 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: kept Sam and the utilize that pick to get extra choices, 318 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: moved down a little bit, or use that pick when 319 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: a receiving entity. So I think it just came down 320 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: to Joe Douglas's love with Zach Wilson, and that tremendous 321 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: arm talent and that great or he had at BYU 322 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: to force him away from Sam. Also resetting the clock. 323 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: We've talked about that, how important that is. But I 324 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: would have got the twenty three year old Sam Darnald 325 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: to go through what he did. I don't think you 326 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: owed it to him, Daniel or anybody. Life's not fair. 327 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: He's nothing about fairness. But I think he gets a 328 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: fresh start. He learned a lot and he'll be better 329 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: for it with the Carolina Panthers. And if he's successful there, 330 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Carolina should thank the Jets for putting him through that. 331 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Troy Hitman always told me, you'll learn 332 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: by the mistakes. You learned by all the bumpy roads, 333 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: and that's what Sam Darnold went through in New York. 334 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: And now he's in Carolina with a completely fresh start. 335 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: He's only he's the same age, Dannis style. Trust who's 336 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: in this draft? What would what should the Niners do? 337 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I would take justin Field And that's been my second 338 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: highest rate of quarterback all along. I was aways said 339 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Josh Allen number one when he went with third quarterback overall, 340 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: had Herbert high last year he went third overall. You 341 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: think about the son at Jordan Love ahead of Herbert. 342 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: You know some obviously you think that Justin Fields is 343 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: the fifth quarterback in this draft. I respect all those opinions, 344 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: and I just let's disagree. I think he's the second 345 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: best square back. What he did in twenty nineteen is 346 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: kind of being forgotten. It's kind of being overlooked. It's 347 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: all about twenty twenty of COVID. But didn't you have 348 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: Jordan Love above Justin Herbert? No, I said some did. 349 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I had to try to high grade on Herbert. Some 350 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: had Jordan Love over Herbert. And you know that was 351 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: where you know that happens and things to me, everybody 352 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: has different opinions. But you know that's why I say 353 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Herbert was very underrated. It was taken a lot of 354 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: criticism going to the draft. Josh Allen I had the 355 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: number one quarter I had a battle one Josh Allen. 356 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: So I battled on Allen. I battled on Herbert. I said, 357 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: some it moves Jordan Love ahead of him, and I'm 358 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: battling on Justice Fields. But it lost that battle. But 359 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: I've said all along Dan, this quarterback who falls a 360 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: little bit like Josh did, like Justin was a third quarterback, 361 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Herbert Justin Fields could be the fifth quarter there was quarterbacks. 362 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: Rogers go back in the Roethlisberger go back to Dan 363 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Marino in eighty three, sixth quarterback in round one. Okay, 364 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that have fallen have done pretty well over 365 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the long haul. Not perfect, but they've done pretty real well. 366 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: So it's it's maybe it's a chip they get from 367 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: being overlooked and maybe criticized. I don't know what it is, 368 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: but those teams have usually benefited from that drop. But 369 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: they go to a better team. You know, the reason 370 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: why you're up in the top ten or top five 371 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: is because you probably don't have a good quarterback. And 372 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: then if you go to a team and even if 373 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: you sit like you know, if you ended up with 374 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: the Steelers and you know, you sat for a year 375 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: with Ben Roethlisberger, or you went to one of these 376 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: teams that you know, like the Bears are a playoff team, 377 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: they just don't have a good quarterback. Washington Football team 378 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: playoff team, they don't have a good quarterback. If you 379 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: end up with one of those teams you know you 380 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: might have a chance for long term success over Zach 381 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: Wilson trying to survive the Jets. It's true, Dan, we 382 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: went back. I went back to two thousand. Between two 383 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand and sixteen, forty four quarterbacks went 384 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: in the first round. Always three or with the teams 385 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: that you'rerafted. I mean, ask Ben Roethlisberger's only one more year, 386 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers who could be moving one after the next year, 387 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: who knows, and also Matt Ryan who has a couple 388 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: more years left. And from two thousand and nine to 389 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, I did that because I was 390 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: Stafford year again golf Sheer. So between Staffordshire in two 391 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: thousand and nine and golf Shear in twenty sixteen, n 392 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: twenty two quarterbacks in the first round, none of them 393 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: are with the teams that draft him. And hence twenty 394 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: seventeen we've had Haskins move on, Rosen move on, Darnold 395 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: move on. It's just unbelievable how quarterbacks were drafted in 396 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: the first round since two thousand. The vast majority are 397 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: gone from the team the drafted him. He spilled Kuiper 398 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: Draft Expert where should mac Jones go, you know, I 399 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: think to New England would be the perfect spot. Forty 400 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: nine ers. Obviously you're at three. Kyle Shanahan seats Roy 401 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: like him, but I think the ideal spot would be 402 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: San Francillo's face at n What's better than being in 403 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: a Kyle Shanahan offense at Daren or Mike Shanahan offensive. 404 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: It guarantees the quarterback a chance for success. And the 405 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: only thing that the only reason Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the 406 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: quarterback defined clearly as our guy because he hasn't been 407 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: able to stay healthy. Yeah, a couple of years in 408 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: fort to forty nine ers injured, the year in New 409 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: England when he filled in for Brady, was hurt there 410 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: when he played in two of the four games when 411 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: Tom was suspended, did so. He just hasn't been able 412 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: to stay on the field. He had that meltdown in 413 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the late fourth in the midway point in the fourth 414 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: quarter in the Super Bowl. But the durability with Garoppolo 415 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: is the biggest issue. But I think if mac Jones 416 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: goes there and he takes over for Garoppolo and year 417 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: midway through year one or year two, whatever, it is 418 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: he's gonna have success if he goes in New England. 419 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's the Tom Brady sit as opposed to 420 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: the Cam Newton fit. So I think either one of 421 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: those spots would be good for mac Jones. Did you 422 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: scout Tom Brady? I did? What do you think like them? 423 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: I had? I had a grade on him like late 424 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: fourth or elist I don't hire and he went, which 425 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: I can tell you it is all in print. Dan, 426 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: we talked about it when he was I think the 427 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: anniversary of that we had they played the whole because 428 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: the sound bite of what I said when he was 429 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: drafted and I had him had a Spurgeon win. Remember 430 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: Spurgeon win from Southwest Texas State went ahead of Tom 431 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Brady to the Cleveland Browns. We're in Cleveland for the draft, Dan, 432 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: He Cleveland took Spurgeon wind in that year out of 433 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: Southwest Texas State over Tom Brady. I can look back 434 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: to the idem ahead a Spurgeon win, but the Browns 435 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: obviously didn't and tom great career would have been a 436 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: little different had the brown taken him instead of up 437 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: of the Spurgeon win, Dan, where'd you have Russell Wilson 438 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: probably a little too low, I was, I don't I 439 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: say a little about me. So it's gonna be a 440 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. So everybody had him. He's a third 441 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: round draft choice. I remember saying that year, I don't 442 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: know what Russell Wilson will be. I have no idea. 443 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: He's only five ten and three quarters. We've never had that. 444 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: We had Seneca Wallace around that size. You know, you 445 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: had the Fluty Going back to France Tarkington, there have 446 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: been some France Tarkington had a great NFL career, but 447 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: at that size, I said he was gonna he was 448 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: gonna be the quarterback who defined the next basically the 449 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: next fifty hundred years of the NFL. And what he 450 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: did he opened up the opportunity for Kyler Murray to 451 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: be the number one pick. Overall, his success or lack 452 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: of was gonna define how other quarterbacks under six feet 453 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna be viewed. Dan and the fact that he 454 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: did great Now to what I said, I just said, 455 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. So if I don't know, I wouldn't 456 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: have drafted him high obviously, And he wasn't the third round. 457 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: So again the NFL was kind of having that wait 458 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: and see approach with Russell Wilson as well, Hey, go 459 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: prove it. If you prove it, then we'll look at 460 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: five ten, five eleven quarterbacks a lot differently moving forward. 461 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I remember watching the Big Ten title game. We were 462 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis and Kirk Cousins and Russell Wilson were going 463 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: back and forth in a shootout, and then you know, 464 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: Kirk gets strapped. I think fourth round. Rusk gets strafted 465 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: third round. But a source of mind sat at the 466 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: time NFL scout. He said, if Russell Wilson was six two, 467 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: he would be a first round draft pick. Like the 468 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: difference in the mindset even back then was, Hey, if 469 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: he's five eleven, I don't know, but if he's six two, 470 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: he's a first round draft pick. Do you believe that? Yep, yeah, 471 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: because it never happened before Dan to that level, and 472 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: I think until somebody does it. Like I said, he 473 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: was a trailblazer. He did something that And I said 474 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: this one the draft of see and John Gruden loved him. Good, 475 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: John Kretch, John welcome, and you know he was screaming 476 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: me it doesn't matter, while I said it matters, because 477 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: let's face it, I was kind of right and wrong. 478 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: I was right in the fact he wasn't going to 479 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: be a first round draft. He was a third round draftick, 480 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: So if we're talking about where he was rated, I 481 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: had it right. Now did I have it right when 482 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: he would ends up being a Hall of Same right? 483 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: You know? But the rest of the league got it 484 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: all wrong too. Thirty two teams in this league. Hey, 485 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: Dan Seattle waited until a third round. They could have 486 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: very easily lost him too. So I give them credit 487 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: for like Brady Brady goes newing On at the end 488 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: of the sixth round. They took a kid from a 489 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: quarterback from Virginia in the sixth round ahead of Tom 490 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Brady the Patriots did. But give them credit because they 491 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: were one of thirty two that took them. Give Seattle 492 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: credit because they were one of thirty two that took 493 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But thirty one teams got it wrong. They 494 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: got it right, and they still went in the third round. 495 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: So again, I think he proved that it doesn't matter, 496 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: and that's why I said then, that's why Kyler Murray 497 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: was the number one pick overall coming out of Oklahoma. 498 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: But when he had some struggles with Texas A and M. 499 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: And then when people were wondering he was gonna play baseball, 500 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: when he was even with that, he went number one 501 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: overall And that was all because of Russell Wilson. Don't 502 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: get defensive, now, you know, I just wanted you know, 503 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: I'm just asking these questions, Sarah. I don't want you 504 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: be yelling at me, right, don't make me mad? Right then? Yeah, um, 505 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: let's take Trevor Lawrence out of this. The one player 506 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: that you say can't miss. I would say the receivers 507 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: as a group goes top four. I think, I think, 508 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: and I think when you pito that pitch, you go 509 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: to Davante, Jamar Chase, and Jalen Waddle. I think all 510 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: four of those or that's your to me, that's your second, third, fourth, 511 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: fifth highest rated players in this draft behind Trevor. I 512 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: think they're there. And I know receivers have some sales. 513 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: You know, those are special guys. Those are are the 514 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: ultimate competitors that have the ability to help out on 515 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: special teams like Waddle pits as a unique talent. I 516 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: would I would bet on all four of those guys 517 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: having great NFL careers. If one doesn't, that'll be it 518 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: Dan and they might be good not great, but I 519 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: would I would say you're pretty safe taking any one 520 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: of those four players that goes back to the Jets. 521 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: They could have kept Sam Darland and had one of 522 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: those four even with a trade down and picked up 523 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: extra choices. So Zach Wilson's gonna be defined by his 524 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: greatness or a lack of and also be defined by 525 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: how Sam Darnold does. So I think we're gonna be 526 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: looking back on that whole move, but it's gonna going 527 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: to define Joe Douglass's career with the Jets that if 528 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: he hits with Zach Wilson, then Joe Douglas is gonna 529 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: have a winning work because he's gonna draft well. They 530 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: got good scouts. The Jets drafted well last year. They're 531 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: gonna get players around Zach Wilson, and they already have 532 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: a much better talent base that going into this year, 533 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: and they will they had last year for Sam. So 534 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance. He's like said, he's gonna 535 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: have a fighting chance. Yam had no chance. Zach Wilson's 536 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: gonna have a fighting chance if he's up to the task. Yeah. See, 537 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm just skeptical on Zach Wilson, and I'm skeptical on 538 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I know they have talent, I just don't know. 539 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: You know, what's it like with adversity. What's it like 540 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: when you throw an interception? What's it like when you're 541 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: facing an opponent who is a lot better than you? 542 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: I don't know that, and I that's why I just 543 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: pause that the Jets are sold on Zach Wilson, and look, 544 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: he looks like a guy who would be playing a 545 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: guy who gets drafted number two. Overall, I understand that. 546 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: I just you know, we grew up in a time 547 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: where we had so much more information on somebody, like 548 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: we have too much information on Justin Fields. As a 549 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: source said to me, people are overthinking Justin Fields. I 550 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: don't get it. That's my that's my thought process. But 551 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to assess if I've got seven 552 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: starts or you know, eleven starts here, it's just kind 553 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: of crazy. Or I have to be I have to 554 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: factor in your previous year like Jordan Love and then go, okay, 555 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: who are you here? We don't factor in Justin fields 556 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: great year the year before, but what he did this 557 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: past year it's like, well, I don't know, I got 558 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: questions here. I mean, that's why it's an inexact science. 559 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: You just said it. I was just gonna say, Man, 560 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: you just took words out of my mouth. I said, 561 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: that's why it's unpredictable. That's why you never know. Fifty 562 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: percent of these first rounders won't live up to their 563 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: potential just the way it is. It's trying to fine 564 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: figure out who is has the biggest factor and make 565 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: those decisions. You go back to sil Sims came out 566 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: of Warhead State. You know, Steve McNair out of Alcorn State, 567 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: Doug Williams at at Granbling. We've had them. Joe Blacko 568 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: was at titth then he finished up at Delaware, but 569 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: he had these You're right. You think about Trey Lance 570 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: and certainly you know Zach Wilson. They haven't been on 571 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: the big stage. They haven't faced any elite opponents. And 572 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: that's now you're going to the big Apple if you're Zach, 573 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be going somewhere if you're training now. 574 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: I think Trey, if he goes to the right team 575 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: that can let him sit, watch and learn for a 576 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: year or two he's only twenty years of age. Dan 577 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: only had seventeen starts, I mean, completed less than fifty 578 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: seven percent of his passes in six games against one 579 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: double A opponents. So he needs time. His accuracy needs 580 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: to improve. He needs time. I think when you look 581 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: at a guy like Zach Wilson, I think the armed talent, 582 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: the undeniable ability he had to move around, athletic kid, 583 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: basketball player in high school, just one over Joe Douglas. 584 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: You know, because Zach Wilson wasn't great in twenty eighteen 585 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: or twenty nineteen. He wasn't Dan. He was a struggled 586 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: with turnovers. He didn't have the accuracy he does now. 587 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: He wasn't the back he was this year. But this 588 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: year he definitely wowed everybody over against as I say, 589 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: a cupcake schedule. How much time will you spend on 590 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: your hair tomorrow night? Very little, Dan. It's not like 591 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: it's not Hey, put a Dan, put it this way. 592 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: It's not what it used to be. We're all we're 593 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: all in that same boat. We're all in that same boat. 594 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: You Dan, You're you're rolling along. Hey, it's great to 595 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: talk to you. Congrats again for all your success Mel, 596 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: you started all of this. Well, we can blame you 597 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: and we can credit. It's like Oberman and myself on 598 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: Sports Center. You can give us credit. You can blame 599 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: us as well for what we did on Sports Center. 600 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: I think we can do that to you with all 601 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: the mock drafts that are out there. Hey, it will 602 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: always be the big show, Dan. I remember the book 603 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: with Keith called me to do a little, little little expert. 604 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: I told Keith what you guys meant to the sports 605 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: and ESPN. It was remarkable what you meant and how 606 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: how how many fans I think you and Keith created 607 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: all those years. Mel. Great to talk to you, buddy. 608 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: Have fun tomorrow night. You're the best day. I take 609 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: every smell kiper Draft Expert. Thanks for listening to The 610 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live 611 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine 612 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us 613 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live 614 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: on the Peacock app. Andy Staples covers college football for 615 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: the Athletic and before we get to the potential for 616 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: a playoff here, Andy, let me ask you about these quarterbacks. 617 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: The biggest question mark you have with the quarterbacks is 618 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: attached to who Trey Lance sample size? And that's really 619 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: it because he's got everything else. I mean, he's got 620 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: everything you want in terms of size, speed, arm, strength, 621 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: football IQ, all that stuff. But he's played one season 622 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: in the FCS as a starter. And that's the issue. 623 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: You know, you say Mac Jones only played one season 624 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: as a starter in justin fields played one and then 625 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: an abbreviated season. But they're playing in the SEC, in 626 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: the Big ten justin Fields. Trey Lance is playing in 627 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the FCS. So that's really the big question. And the 628 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: thing I would I would want out of the team 629 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: that drafts Trey Lance is give him a chance to learn, 630 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: do you know, give him kind of the Pat Mahomes 631 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: redshirt treatment. And you know, if that's the forty nine ers, 632 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: you could probably do that with Garoppolo. But you know, 633 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the camp that says that Kyle Shanahan 634 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: is looking at Mac Jones and going, oh, here's a 635 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: guy who played in a basically an NFL offense last 636 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: year under Steve Sarkisian. He can just he'll throw the 637 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: ball where I want him to throw the ball and 638 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: I like that. So I see that it's the Falcons 639 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: at four that intrigue me, Like if they're going to 640 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: take a quarterback or if they're gonna trade that spot 641 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: to somebody who's going to take a quarterback. I think 642 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: that makes it more interesting. I would love to see 643 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: Justin Fields go to the Falcons. I would love to 644 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: see a guy from Atlanta be the Falcons. I mean, 645 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: he would be an icon in Atlanta if he leads 646 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: them to a super Bowl. Well, they loved him so 647 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: much in Georgia they let him transfer to Ohio State. 648 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: So Arthur Blank had nothing to doing a Dan Arthur 649 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: Blake did not make Justin Fields go in on that 650 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: fake punt. Give me the quarterback? Though, to keep an 651 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: eye on with all the quarterbacks that you looked at 652 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: this past year, I'm intrigued about Kellen Mond and what 653 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: NFL teams think of him, because this is a guy 654 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: who's athletic. He's got a good arm. He got better 655 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: every year at Texas A and M. And you know 656 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: he coached very hard by by Jimbo Fisher. So personality wise, 657 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: he can he can handle whatever you're gonna throw at him. 658 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: And the question is can he be a little bit 659 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: more dynamic than than what we saw at Texas? This 660 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: year is interesting because he again he got better even 661 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: though he lost his four best receivers. He had a 662 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: couple of guys opt out right before the season started. 663 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, if you're picking in the 664 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: second round and you're looking for somebody who might be 665 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: able to come in and help you, he might be 666 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: that guy. All right, let's recap what you and Stuart 667 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: Mandel were tweeting FBS commissioners considering expanding the College Football 668 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: Playoff from four schools up to double digit teams, with 669 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: the quote from a source, I since twelve teams his 670 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: building support. How far down the road are we on this? 671 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: They've been talking about this for a little while. I mean, 672 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: this discussion actually started following the twenty eighteen season. And 673 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: if you remember the final College Football Playoff rankings in 674 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: that season, that's the one to remember. Ohio State didn't 675 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: get in, you know, Notre Dame got in, and so 676 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: that that knocked out another VCS or Power five conference, 677 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: and Ohio State not only didn't get in, they finished 678 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: in the final rankings behind Georgia, which had just lost 679 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: the SEC Championship game. There's that fake punt again. Sorry 680 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: Georgie fans, but that was when people looked at it 681 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: and said, well, hey, wait, wait, what's going on here? 682 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: Are we the Big Ten, the most powerful or second 683 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: most powerful conference in college football? Are we gonna be 684 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: shut out of this thing multiple times? Because remember, they 685 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: didn't get in seventeen, they didn't get in an eighteen, 686 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: their champion didn't get in sixteen, but Ohio State did. 687 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: So you've got that. Then you've got the Pac twelve, 688 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: which hasn't gotten instant sixteen. You've got the Big twelve, 689 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: which was the original, you know, existential crisis. We didn't 690 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: get in the playoff, and people are just thinking about 691 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: this and going, wait a second, why are we in 692 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: a system where we can just be knocked out in 693 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: September October? When we can have a system where everybody 694 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: plays and we keep everybody engaged and somebody from every 695 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: league's getting in. And I also look at it when 696 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: somebody says, well, it renders the regular season meaningless, and 697 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: he said, no, it doesn't. Now it means more teams, 698 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: the importance of the regular season. If you say twelve 699 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: teams are going to make the playoffs. If I make 700 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: it now, twenty schools are involved in those with the 701 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: chance to be in the twelve team playoffs. If I 702 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, look at college football, now, how many get 703 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: a chance to be in the top four. We may 704 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: have seven or eight. Now I can at least double that. 705 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: I might even triple that, and it would own only 706 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: be nine percent of college football teams that would make 707 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs. The NFL is forty percent of the NFL 708 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: makes the playoffs. College football, the bowl games will mean something. 709 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Now you could have secondary bowl games that now have 710 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: are elevated a little bit here. I don't I'm gonna stop. 711 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you there. Bowl games are done. Other 712 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 1: than the ones that are already semifinals, they're done. I mean, 713 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna be bowl games because they're television product and 714 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: people like watching football and TV. But you're not putting 715 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: those early playoff games and bowls. You're putting them where 716 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: they belong on campus, you know. So you're I want 717 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: to see okay, so you're gonna yeah, I want to 718 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what ESPN wants. That's what the schools want. 719 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: Because think about this, if you're an athletic director, and 720 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to sell season tickets, well you want too, Yeah, 721 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: what and what's going to sell you more season tickets, 722 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: priority to buy tickets to a home playoff game or 723 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: that buy game that you're probably gonna en up getting 724 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: rid of. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Give me the 725 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: options that are in play here it now? Is it 726 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: just there's a lot? Okay? Yeah, they're looking I mean 727 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: they've said they're looking at six, eight, ten, twelve, sixteen. 728 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: I think realistically we're eight, ten, twelve or probably what 729 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: they're what they're looking at. Eight is very neat. It's 730 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: a multiple four. You have three rounds, quarterfinals on campus 731 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: in my finals at Bowls neutral sight, championship game ten 732 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: and twelve. Then you add another week, but you add buys, 733 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: which somebody I was always an eight guy, and I 734 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: had an ad text me out of the blue a 735 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: few months ago with a an idea of twelve, and 736 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: I was like, why that's that seems like too many, 737 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: And this person's like, no, you're protecting the regular season 738 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: by putting in the buys and by putting in the hosting. 739 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: So you know, it matters if you're one through four, 740 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: because you get a buy. It matters if you're five 741 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: through eight because you host a game. It matters if 742 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: you're nine through twelve, because you either get in or 743 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: you don't. That's a lot more engaged fan base is 744 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: an engaged teams, you know, because one of the big 745 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: arguments is if you do this, does it nullify the 746 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: conference championship games? Well let's look at what would happened. 747 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: So the PAC twelve conference championship game, which is not 748 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: really relevant most years, like last year USC and Oregon, 749 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: they're playing for a championship and a trip to whatever, 750 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: but this time it'd be for a playoff appearance. So 751 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: that is a huge, huge game. I mean that has stakes. 752 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: Everybody wants to watch that because you know, the team 753 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna play them wants to see who who they're 754 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: gonna play. And then the SEC championship game. Okay, I 755 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: don't know if Alabama had much motivation because if they lost, 756 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: they might still be in the top four. But for Florida, 757 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: if they win, they would have gone into the top four, 758 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: so they not only would have gotten to buy, they 759 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: would have gotten a home game. So there's motivation there. 760 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: Are you looking at the Power five conferences will get 761 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: automatic entry here. I would think so, and I would 762 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: think you can't do this without if you're going to 763 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: ten or twelve, you gotta give an auto bid to 764 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: the highest rank group of five champions too, that the 765 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnati or the UCF for the Boise State or whoever 766 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: that is, because that's just good for business. That's a 767 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: lot of fan bases that stay more interested in the 768 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: sport who don't feel like they're completely shut out of 769 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: the race for the championship. Now do those teams have 770 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: a chance to win the championship? Would they? Would they 771 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: win potentially four games in a playoff and win? Probably not, 772 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: But I guarantee you the first time one of them 773 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: wins a game, this becomes the most beloved sporting event 774 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: in America. How soon can this happen? So the soonest 775 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: it could probably happen would be going into the twenty 776 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: twenty three season. The contract has currently constituted runs through 777 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: the end of the twenty five season. But the rotation 778 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: of the bulls where you have you know, Rose and 779 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: Sugar or a semi and then and then Siesta and 780 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: Peach or a semi that starts again in twenty twenty three, 781 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: so you could you can rip some stuff up and 782 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: do it, then that would be the earliest good stuff. Hey, 783 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: thanks for giving me some content today. You know that 784 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: this is this is great. What do you got? You 785 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: appreciate it to thank you commissioners because we were getting bored. Yeah, 786 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: thank you. Andy. Great to talk to you, buddy at 787 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: Andy Staples covers college football for the Athletic. 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