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Speaker 3: People were taking it as well. That's a sign of

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Speaker 3: the dysfunction or whatever, and you're.

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Speaker 4: Taking it too far.

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Speaker 2: I heard those exact words. Then that's that's taking one

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Speaker 2: of your shows, taking too far.

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Speaker 3: Well, none of my shows are on in the morning,

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Speaker 2: Oh, mack round with Bill O'Brien right now, as Mac does,

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Speaker 2: is scratching back ground too, Mac mac Jones, Oh, Mac Brown.

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Speaker 2: I always used to tell my kid, when you're at

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Speaker 2: those showcase tournaments, always worth something colorful.

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Speaker 4: So it's a great scouts getting the next level recruiting

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Speaker 4: called that peacocking, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Show up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We used to make fun of kids in high school,

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Speaker 3: like a kid would show up with his name on

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Speaker 3: his back loser, loser. I think it happened on the

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Speaker 3: play that Kyle Dugger picked off the pass from Matt.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Kyle, you know what we're doing, you know, like, yeah, what.

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Speaker 4: Are we doing?

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Speaker 5: Kyle?

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Speaker 4: Kyle? Come on?

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Speaker 6: Half half the vond Diggs not at mandatory Mini camp.

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Speaker 2: Function very disappointed as usual with how the local media

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Speaker 3: Then when they do watch they say things like, you know,

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Speaker 3: some of the interceptions may have been intentional.

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Speaker 4: So so you sort of said, stick to attendance. True story,

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Speaker 4: true story.

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Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by donkeys, evil laugh.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, coming in hot here.

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Speaker 2: Uh it is Thursday here at Jillette Stadium. Mini camp

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Speaker 2: is over, paintball is over, OTAs are over. We are

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Speaker 2: now officially in the dog days of the NFL, waiting

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Speaker 2: for training camp to start. But but supposedly, reportedly, allegedly,

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Speaker 2: there's a certain person still visiting here.

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Speaker 4: In the building.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any evidence of that. I have not

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Speaker 2: seen anybody.

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Speaker 4: Or but they told Evan to get out of the

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Speaker 4: bushes this morning, what are you doing? And they did. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I had a dream a little the reason why he

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Speaker 4: So you had a dream that you were the reason

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Speaker 4: he didn't sign Yep, he woke up in a.

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Speaker 2: Sweat essay, So who knows, Maybe some news will come

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Speaker 4: Or he might wait till training care Wait, do you think,

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Speaker 4: do you think that we will get any kind of news.

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Speaker 2: Or one way or the other.

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Speaker 3: You mean or well, I mean, obviously if he signs,

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Speaker 3: we're going to find that out.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, I think, I know, I think if

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Speaker 2: I'm his agent, I just want to wait a little

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Speaker 3: That makes sense, And I know Ian Rappaport sort of

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Speaker 3: gonna report that. But if he doesn't sign, do you

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Speaker 3: think we'll get any of updates saying it's a great visit,

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Speaker 3: great like Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: Great fits two days Tennessee for two days, great visit.

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Speaker 4: Everything went great, Everything is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Isn't this great?

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Speaker 4: We'll see, but you're going to continue to talk. Didn't

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Speaker 2: It didn't evolve into an argument, and so everything was great,

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Speaker 4: Just came to like Rea hash old wounds with Bill O'Brien.

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Speaker 4: I'm not here for a visit. I just got to

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Speaker 3: Just had one other thing to say to you.

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Speaker 6: So, but like, if you're the Patriots, you're not waiting.

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Speaker 6: Here's what you want here. We want you here, Like

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Speaker 2: You know? It's funny. As I'm driving in today, I'm

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Speaker 4: He's dreaming about it.

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Speaker 2: We really want you here, and we want you here

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Speaker 2: we look at you as an integral part of our program,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I come on heavy and I hit

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Speaker 4: I just want to reprise.

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Speaker 3: You want to give him fifteen million?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some mixed reports about this, but there are

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Speaker 6: So they they've shown the Patriots have shown some significant

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Speaker 4: I just wonder what gets it done for Hawkins, because

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Speaker 4: Thornton's popping were Juju's healthy, Like, we're good.

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Speaker 2: I think if everything's even as between us and the Titans,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it seems like Diggs is back on the

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Speaker 4: That was weird, that whole story, and we won't have

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Speaker 3: Like I think he took exception to the fact that

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Speaker 4: The next day that he prays better, but not that

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Speaker 2: Somebody wrote in criticizing me for like wishing ill on

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Speaker 4: That was the That was the callers, everybody that was

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers can't play, and two was going to get

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Speaker 2: But this, this person specifically said they were disappointed in me. Listen,

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Speaker 2: get better. Why can't Why can't both? I'm not hoping

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Speaker 2: I want both. I want us to be good and

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Speaker 2: I want everybody to suck.

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Speaker 3: See, I want my team to be better than everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I want everybody to be great, but but I want

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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't care. You know, this is something It's

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Speaker 2: the whole debate I have with Andy. It's like when

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Speaker 2: I want entertainment in a close game and overtime, but

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Speaker 3: And I'd be fine. I mean, I'd rather have a

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 3: I have no interest in the fifty six to twelve

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Speaker 2: Listen, if we blow out every opponent some of those games,

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Speaker 3: Know this guy, like, wasn't that like when you're beaten?

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Speaker 3: Like the Chargers in Week two, Chargers were like the

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that means a lot more to me than

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Speaker 3: beating up on the Jags. You know, you know, you know.

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Speaker 2: It means a lot to me. Is the ring at

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Speaker 3: I know they didn't get the ring. Whatever. I still

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Speaker 2: To I loved it. I mean it was on this show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was. That was a crazy season. I thought,

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Speaker 4: it's just an interesting for me. I talked to you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, They're so interesting. But that season is Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that was that was nuts. I mean for multiple reasons.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So we're coming off mini camp. Everything's all

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Speaker 2: You know, what do we think? Do we? I mean,

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Speaker 4: We'll say that later.

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Speaker 6: In my mind, Yeah, I think the whole off season

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. It all comes down to Mac,

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Speaker 3: I would agree, and I would agree with a lot

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Speaker 3: think he had any bad days, nothing, nothing at all

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Speaker 3: He really looks refreshed. I mean, he's he's slinging it all.

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Speaker 3: what I've seen major upgrade. Now I would have sat

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Speaker 3: Never materialized. I think Kasiki looks better than that looked

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Speaker 2: I mean, Monday was better than Tuesday, there's no doubt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: They were both rough though in both days of Mini Camp.

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Speaker 4: And that stuff to me, like, you know, I'm just

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 4: But it's also like I think everybody's trying to learn

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Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, your negativity is refreshing.

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Speaker 6: No, I actually thought it. So Bill was asked about it.

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Speaker 6: It seems like you guys are are dialing it up

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Speaker 6: No, he didn't deny it, but he said that they

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Speaker 4: And I think too, like when you know, I think

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Speaker 4: if maybe they're playing a little bit more straightforward, if guys,

439
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna get a little better sense of how guys

440
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 4: are just straight up like it's not you know, hey,

441
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 4: oh we got them on this this one, we fooled everybody, Like,

442
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, But I also wonder is it connected

443
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 4: to the offense? Are they, you know, really trying to

444
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 4: make it as hard as possible for Mac in the offense.

445
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 4: But I mean, just to say it, I just I

446
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 4: just not impressed with Mac. I just think he's the

447
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 4: same player he's been.

448
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what if he said, you know, go ahead,

449
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 2: you know.

450
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 3: But I agree with the way Evan said it.

451
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they probably did do that intentionally, but

452
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 4: not because the offense hasn't gone over it yet. I

453
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 4: want to see how the offense was going to handle it,

454
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 4: and overall, the offense like part of this equation. We

455
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 4: talked a lot about this Monday and Tuesday. The offensive

456
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 4: line is, you know, you have two guys that you

457
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 4: feel probably rock solid about in David Andrews and Michael

458
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 4: and you. I don't really know exactly what col Strange

459
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 4: is yet, but I feel Okay about that. The two

460
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 4: tackles are enormous question marks, huge, right, and bigger now

461
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 4: than they were last week. Yeah, so you have Calvin

462
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 4: Anderson spent most, if not all, of the quote unquote

463
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 4: first team reps when we will watch at left tackle.

464
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: That's been a problem like that they've had. And it's

465
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: hard with no pads on. Excuse me, yeah, it's hard

466
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 3: with no pads on. But it looked like pressure was

467
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: an issue, not just blitzing pressure, but blitzing you know,

468
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 3: pressure off the edge.

469
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 6: You just get into a cat a situation where now

470
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 6: Bill O'Brien is probably gonna have to scheme around having

471
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 6: subpar tackles. So now that's gonna have to be part

472
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 6: of the game plan, is all right, We're gonna have

473
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 6: to get the ball out quickly. We're gonna have to

474
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 6: be a little bit more smoking mirrors, honestly to make

475
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 6: sure that we protect the tackles. If that's really where

476
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 6: this is headed. I don't want to be too negative,

477
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 6: but I'm just like, would do a little bit on

478
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 6: this where I just like, it's fine, everything was fine,

479
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 6: but nothing offensively wowed me, Like there was nothing that

480
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 6: That's how I.

481
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: Would feel I don't think it was bad, but nothing

482
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: wowed me, And it seems like a lot of other

483
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 3: people have been wild.

484
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: And you don't have any wow guys out there, right.

485
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 6: I just I think that with Mac, he's gonna be

486
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 6: put in a better position. He's going to be more

487
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 6: in rhythm. He's going to understand what is expected of

488
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 6: him and what are his tools, as he says, are

489
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 6: pre snap and things like that. And he's mentally he's

490
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 6: going to be locked in and he's going to be

491
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 6: screwed in. But physically, it's not like all of a

492
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 6: sudden he's got an arm cannon and he's mobile, right

493
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 6: Like he's still the same guy that he all that

494
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 6: he's been for the first two years in the league.

495
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 6: So how much of a difference is that truly going

496
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 6: to make? That he is locked in mentally, and I

497
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 6: think that that's that's a difference between them, you know,

498
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 6: winning seven games and winning ten is is this really

499
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 6: gonna make such a big difference that to the point

500
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 6: where when all the chips are down and it's third

501
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 6: and six with two minutes to go and they need

502
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 6: to they need to put a drive together. Are they

503
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 6: going to have the horses to put it together. And

504
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 6: I think that that's still the biggest question with the.

505
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: Team September tenth. Can't get here fast enough, right.

506
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: You know?

507
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: And and again I don't think any of the three

508
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: of us thinks it was a disaster. You know, it's

509
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: Panics last year.

510
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean not Mini Camp.

511
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: No, No, absolutely, I don't think anybody is looking at

512
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: it like that. But I just there's been a lot

513
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: of I've seen a lot of you know, like uh

514
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 3: five who popped me? And Mac is on every single

515
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: one of them, and I missed the popping.

516
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: You know.

517
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: Is I guess it also sounds like you guys feel

518
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 3: the same way.

519
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

520
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 6: I'd also say, like you said, last year Mini Camp,

521
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 6: they were throwing the ball down the field pretty well.

522
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 6: And I gotta be honest with you. With Mac, I

523
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 6: don't give a crap about seven on seven. I know

524
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 6: he can throw the ball in seven on seven.

525
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: It's amazing if they still chot that, right.

526
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 6: So I he has never he's from day one, he's

527
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 6: torn up seven on seven. So I I just with him,

528
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 6: it's about the pass rush, Like, how is it gonna

529
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 6: look in a muddied pocket? How is it gonna look

530
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 6: when he's got guys in his face or guys at

531
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 6: his feet like that. This is not that like seven

532
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 6: on set. So yeah, he can drop dimes to Kasiki

533
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 6: and DeVante all day in seven on seven, But what's

534
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 6: it going to look like? And that's why these like

535
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 6: completion rates and stuff like that from from mini camps,

536
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 6: Like there's there's no live pass rush there. They're not

537
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 6: pushing the pocket, they're not you know, there's nobody at

538
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 6: his feet. He's stepping into every throw. He's got time

539
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 6: and space, he knows he's not going to get touched.

540
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 6: So obviously if he can't drop dimes in that setting,

541
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 6: then he's then he's really in.

542
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: And one quick thing that Evan just said, that's really

543
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 3: important I think for him specifically stepping into every throw. Yeah,

544
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: I think that's a big part of Mac and I

545
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 3: always you know, I'm it's no secret that I'm really

546
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: skeptical on Mac right and that, But that's one of

547
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 3: the things is I think everything has to be right

548
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: because I don't think the physical skills are there to

549
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: fall back on all the time with him, and I

550
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: agree with with Evan. I think he can throw the

551
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: ball as effectively, is you need to in that league? Yeah,

552
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: no question, but when it's right, yeah.

553
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: I mean one other tackle thing to point out was

554
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 4: it seemed kind of like Connor McDermott maybe was getting

555
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: the higher reps above Riley Reef. So it's just you know,

556
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 4: those kind of things where I'm like, really, so we

557
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: brought in Riley Reef and he can't even really hold

558
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 4: onto the top reps through mini camp like you know,

559
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: I mean, nobody was thrilled with those signings kind of

560
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 4: out of the gate. Uh, everything you said though, this

561
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 4: is it all ties directly to the protection. I mean,

562
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: these are you know, the edges are nothing's more important

563
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: von Miller. I mean, go down the list of all

564
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 4: the pass rushers Miami, Bradley Chubb. I mean, it's you know,

565
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 4: they're going to have their work cut out for them.

566
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 4: I mean right from the get go. And I just

567
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 4: I wonder what the deal is with Trent Brown, you know,

568
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 4: is it I know he missed a flight, that happens

569
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 4: just kind of watched. Were they expecting when he got

570
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 4: here that he was going to be in shape and

571
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 4: ready to participate?

572
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: That's something I wanted to talk about too. And I

573
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: also want to move to defense because I think we're

574
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 3: all much more.

575
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: I almost tried to start them. We're almost I didn't

576
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: do it on the defense.

577
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: But Trent Brown, do you think that that was you know,

578
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: like he hasn't been here all spring, you know, all right,

579
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: because he didn't do much, if anything. He took part

580
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: like a couple of drill barely stretched, I mean, walk

581
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: into some of our colleagues, you know, took it a

582
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: step further and saying that he couldn't finish some of

583
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: the drills and tapped out. These are the comments that

584
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: I heard, Yeah, and was sent down to the lower

585
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 3: rehab field. I kind of watching from afar our, you know,

586
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: our thirty thousand foot look. I look at it.

587
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you just got here, and you

588
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: know he's probably not in the best of shape. I mean,

589
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: we know that's been an issue. That's why he has

590
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: all those incentives in his contract. And that was you know,

591
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: standing operating procedure. You know you got to go and

592
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: get him ready. Well tie into Jude on two because

593
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 4: I mean that's not exactly the same. But wasn't here

594
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: kind of played second team reps, wasn't you know it wasn't.

595
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: I mean, still was more involved than Trent Brown was,

596
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: but yeah by a lot, but was reduced a little bit.

597
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: I just don't know. I really don't, and I don't know.

598
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: I just wonder though.

599
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: It's like, but it's like, if you're not in shape

600
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: and you can't even participate, then what are we doing?

601
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 4: Why are you here? You know, like what this is

602
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 4: mandatory mini camp? Like this is a chance. I'm sure

603
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: that guy still got weight clauses right, like he probably

604
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: had to weigh in, I'm guessing.

605
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: So I wonder if that's why he didn't do anything,

606
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: because maybe he didn't go get your on and I

607
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: will I will say some of the highlights, some of

608
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: the highlights that I saw last night of him, you know,

609
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: sort of up close and we were up in the ramps.

610
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: He did look a little big. Now he's a huge guy.

611
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: It's hard to tell him when.

612
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: He walked onto the field, Freddy a hulking fit.

613
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 9: Help.

614
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: I mean, he could be like plus or minus sixty pounds.

615
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: You probably rightn't tell share up to the Queen Mary.

616
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a problem right now and it's up

617
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: all upstairs. Do you do you want to play? Football.

618
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: Do you want to do what is necessary to play well?

619
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: And that starts with getting your mind and body and shape.

620
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 4: And it's it's just even you know everything we ran

621
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: down with. You know, Calvin Anderson, who I mean, I

622
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: think he's kind of like we're all praying to God

623
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: that he can play. But in your mind, you're like

624
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 4: trump Brown, please, like you can play both sides. You're

625
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: a giant guy. We know you have the skill, like,

626
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: help us because if there's anything this team could really use,

627
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: it's just lock down one side. I don't even care

628
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: which side it is, But can you just give us

629
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: seventeen games play good?

630
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: You can be as good as you want to be.

631
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing.

632
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 6: But this is what happens when you ignore it in

633
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 6: the draft, yep, Because now there's no young guy, Like

634
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 6: it's not like you have even an Isaiah Win that's

635
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 6: sitting there that's like, oh well, we have to go

636
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 6: to him sooner than we thought, right, so be it.

637
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 6: So you don't have that guy on this team right now.

638
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 6: So if Riley Reef doesn't have it anymore and Trent

639
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 6: Brown is not locked in, then then you're Calvin Anderson

640
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 6: and Connor McDermott, and that's what you're you're stuck with

641
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 6: right for the season. And you know, we've talked about it,

642
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 6: like franchise tackles don't come available in August, Like that's

643
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 6: you know, that's a spot that there's only so many

644
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 6: of them in the league.

645
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: Unless it's Robert Gallery, there's only.

646
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 6: So many of them in the league to begin with,

647
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 6: and a lot of teams have tackle deficiencies because there

648
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 6: aren't enough good starting tackles league wide. So they're not

649
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 6: they're not gonna make some guy a Pro Bowl level

650
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 6: tackle is not coming available on September first, Like this

651
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: is just kind of what you got.

652
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to like like who knows, maybe,

653
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: I mean Connor McDermott is not like super old, Like

654
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: maybe maybe he's getting a chance and maybe he's improving,

655
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: but I just think, like the simple fact is that

656
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: you're going to have to start a guy you plucked

657
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: off a practice squad last year. Well, you couldn't improve

658
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: that player.

659
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Remember remember the you know our you know uh saying here,

660
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: look at what they do, not what they say. And

661
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: so let's see if there's any movement at tackle, you know,

662
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: in terms of just you know, I know they're not

663
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: going to bring in a high end but if there's

664
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: any movement in du yeah, bringing anybody in, and that'll

665
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: tell us.

666
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why I'm concerned because I'm

667
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: watching what they have done. As Mike said, it's Reef, now,

668
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: it's McDermott, it's reportedly working out a guy like DJ

669
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: Flucker like. But we think they think it's an issue.

670
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: But but I think it was grow or even Belichick

671
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: might have just talked about you know, we're happy with

672
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: gros said they were happy with happy with the depth.

673
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: The depth at tackle. That's different to me than who

674
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: we have starting and so I'm still wait. I think

675
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: it's still a work in progress.

676
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: Well, it feels like they're happy with they got a

677
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: bunch of B minus C plus guys that they're happy

678
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: to rotate around. But do you have a brief plus

679
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: darter on you?

680
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: So I still think there's something to be to wait

681
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: and see on the tackle front.

682
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: I thought they would make that in terms of the

683
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 4: caliber of player.

684
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: Well first determining what do we got out of Trent Brown?

685
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: What can we have?

686
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: But I think what you see is what you get

687
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: in terms of the ability.

688
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: But that's you know, that's one. But I'm talking about

689
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: is he gonna be with us? Is he gonna give

690
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: it full effort? If you know, do we have to

691
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: worry about Trent Brown? Yes, you know, whether.

692
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: He's here or not, you're gonna have to I mean,

693
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: whether if he's as long as he's.

694
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: Here, you will have to worry about him. Yeah, But

695
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: because that's the player he's been, you had to worry

696
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: about him in eighteen we know great.

697
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: But I think the level of that worry we'll see

698
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: in their actions.

699
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: You know, well, they got two open roster spots. So

700
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I I coming out of camp, I felt

701
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: like you got to go add some death. I mean,

702
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: I hate to say more depth, because that's all you

703
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: can really get at this point.

704
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 6: So I mean, if Flucker's in as good of shape

705
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 6: as the videos suggest he is, that why.

706
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: Not what do you have to lose?

707
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: And I like the idea of a guy who you

708
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: know was away for the game could have you know,

709
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: it's not like he hasn't been in the league, been

710
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: in the league since thirteen, motivated to want to get

711
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: he had every reason to just walk away, but he

712
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: wanted to get back he lost all that weight. There's

713
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: something to be said for that. Yep, there's something to

714
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: be said about Okay, this guy appreciates what he had,

715
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: wants to get it back, and maybe for at least

716
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: a year, he's motivated.

717
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: You know, at this point, anybody with T after their name,

718
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: like just I think you need it. I'd love to

719
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: just take a shot on somebody. I mean, he has

720
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: was the first round pick. He was the first round pick,

721
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: so he has a little bit of like, well, maybe

722
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: like you could have maybe fool yourself into thinking that

723
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: he's going to find the magic, but it's, uh, it's

724
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: it's an issue. And I think that you know, it's

725
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: Evan laid out. Once it gets real, then you're really

726
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: going to get a sense of of how Max's going

727
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 4: to play with this kind of protection.

728
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: To me, the most positive stuff that we saw in

729
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: mini camp was the stuff that we kind of went

730
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: in thinking there could be a lot of versatility with

731
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: the defense, and I think we've seen it, and you know,

732
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: I know that the players talked about it. Peppers talked

733
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: about it a little bit, Judon talked about it a lot.

734
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: Judon to the point where I was like relax, a

735
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: little bit wet, like six unicorns out there. But they

736
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: do have you know, some different some different options with

737
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: how they want to how they want to use some guys.

738
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: And you know, on the surface, I do see it

739
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: the way that they talk about it, because it's you know,

740
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: it's Adrian Phillips, it's Jabrill Peppers, it's Mapoo.

741
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: Now you know, get these.

742
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: Guys Kyle Dugar that can operate, you know, in the

743
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: back end, closer to the line of scrimmage. They can

744
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: be in coverage, they can be run support players. I

745
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: just wonder if maybe it's a little bit you know, repetitive,

746
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, and I do wonder if they have to

747
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: make a move for a tackle like we were talking about,

748
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: is one of these guys, you know, is an Adrian

749
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: Phillips maybe expendable, you know, maybe can can he get

750
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: you a Jonah Williams who I saw somebody I think

751
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: Phil Perry speculated that's the kind of guy you're gonna

752
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: get at this time of year.

753
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: A guy who maybe lost his job several injuries.

754
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: In Cincinnati, right it's been hurt and you know, maybe

755
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: he's disgruntled and wants to go to New England to

756
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: get gruntled.

757
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean not to go negative on the defense too, but.

758
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 6: Like, don't do it.

759
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: We've seen this, like you know, hybrid safety scheme for

760
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: three years now, right, Like, I mean, they've had a

761
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: few safeties that have this versatility. It hasn't mattered against Buffalo,

762
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: against I mean, against the good teams. They're not really

763
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: fooled by it, Like they don't really like, oh god,

764
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: they really got us on that one. Like, you know,

765
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: so it all sounds great in theory, but like they

766
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: just need to start producing against.

767
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: When they do get burned most of the you know,

768
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: like they just can't get off on third down or whatever,

769
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: isn't it because they just the play gets extended. They

770
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: just can't get to the quarterback. They can't just.

771
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: Time you know. Yeah, I mean.

772
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: Last year, if the front seven is better, like that's

773
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: gonna I think that'll help, right, well, it will.

774
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: But who's the who's the new person in the front seven?

775
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: So again, White's gonna make you like better than you

776
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: were last.

777
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: Year when you mesh everything together. Barbour will be healthy

778
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: because he wasn't healthy last year.

779
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: I like that. Yeah, I like that, But you know,

780
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: like Minnesota justin Jefferson went off, he didn't have the

781
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: corner or you know, Lamar, you just couldn't figure out.

782
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to say quarter, this is great deuces, just

783
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: take take the.

784
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, wait like during the season when that happens,

785
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'll certainly be right next to you. I'm

786
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: encouraged by the defense. Fred Fred Fred keeps saying top five.

787
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: I don't think it will take very much to get

788
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: I think.

789
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: No, I'm not going to walk it back and anyway,

790
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: because I mean, just does anyone think that Josh Allen

791
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: is really like confounded by the Patriots Amiba defense for safeties?

792
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: Those guys, see, those guys aren't really confounded by.

793
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: Any right kind of They can helate it.

794
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: You can have a bad day, I mean, anybody can

795
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: have a bad day at any time.

796
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: But you know, he started selling us on we got

797
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: five safeties.

798
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: That I think they were ten last year, so I

799
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: can certainly see them finishing top five.

800
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: I think they should be top one. Honestly, I think

801
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 6: this should be the best defensive.

802
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: You think this is a better personnel than since San

803
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: Francisco has.

804
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 6: I think it's right up there because their secondary is better.

805
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: I don't think they have any linebackers like since San Francis.

806
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: But but you don't shut down my homes, you don't

807
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: shut down. You hope that you could make three or

808
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: four key stops. That's it, that's true, that's it, and

809
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: give you and then, like Evan says, your offense has

810
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: to step up. They have to maybe score thirty points

811
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: to win that game.

812
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not even talking necessarily because I think there

813
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: were times last year against the really good teams that

814
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: they did get three or four.

815
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Stops, right, but the offense don't get help them.

816
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: But they don't get it when they need it.

817
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, ye, well that's been a key stop.

818
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: That No, no, no, I didn you said they have

819
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: to come up with.

820
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: Three worst stops. I use the word key, can't use

821
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: the word key.

822
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: So they got three or four key stops, but they

823
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: couldn't get the fifth one when they needed to win

824
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: the game was on the line, most like the one

825
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: that you just talked about against Minnesota though, like against Buffalo. Yeah,

826
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: everybody talks about the kickoff returns, but in the fourth quarter,

827
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: when you're right in the game, you can't stop them.

828
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: They go right down the field to score two possessions

829
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: in a row the Raiders in a game, everybody wants

830
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: to talk about the lateral. Before the lateral happened, the

831
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: lateral would have been irrelevant. If you could just get

832
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: off the field on fourth and ten.

833
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: Well, they did that play in the end zone.

834
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 10: Win. No.

835
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: On fourth and ten. It was pitch and catch, as

836
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: easy as it can be right down the fields.

837
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: It's the same thing as the offense. For me, it's

838
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 6: it's the clutch plays. It's exact, because that's the difference

839
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 6: between being eight and nine and ten and seven.

840
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm not concerned about what ranking they

841
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: have on defense. Can they stop somebody when they need

842
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: to stop somebody of any kind of consequence? I actually

843
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: that's not named Sam Ellinger.

844
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 6: But I'm I'm high on the defense, not because of

845
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 6: the seventeen safeties that they have, but because of the

846
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 6: fact that I think that the top three picks in

847
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 6: the draft I think are missing ingredients for the defense.

848
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 6: Because Gonzales, even if Gonzales is not all pro corner

849
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 6: right away, he puts everybody in the proper spot, and

850
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 6: he the pecking order, just like we talk with the receivers,

851
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 6: with Hopkins, and how that can make everybody go down.

852
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 6: And now you have Jonathan Jones back in the slot.

853
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: You have Jack Jones as your second boundary corner, and

854
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 6: Gonzalez is your number one guy, and it fits together.

855
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: It all is.

856
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 6: Last year, the problem that they had against a lot

857
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 6: of these teams is that Jonathan Jones was playing as

858
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 6: the number one corner. And Jonathan Jones is a great player,

859
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 6: but he's not a number one corner. So when they

860
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 6: went up against Justin Jefferson, when they went up against

861
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 6: Thefon Diggs, they didn't have the proper personnel in the secondary,

862
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 6: and it had a trickle down effect because you got

863
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 6: guys like Miles Bryant out there for a lot of

864
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 6: snaps and teams just pick on those types of guys.

865
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 6: I don't think that the secondary is going to be

866
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 6: as vulnerable to being picked on like that because Gonzalez

867
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 6: puts everybody in the proper spot. And if there is

868
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 6: a big if, but if they use Mapu correctly and

869
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 6: have him play at the second level of the defense,

870
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 6: now you have somebody in the middle of the field

871
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 6: at the second level who can cover some ground. And

872
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 6: that's such a big difference between what they've had and

873
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 6: what they because he's bigger and he's heavier. He plays

874
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 6: heavier than the safeties do. He plays like a linebacker,

875
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 6: but he's got a safety body type and safety speed.

876
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 6: If that is at the second level of the defense.

877
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 6: Now you talk about San Francisco and their linebackers, that's

878
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 6: what their linebackers bring to the table. That's what you

879
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 6: know green Law and Fred Warner bring to the table

880
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 6: for them that make them so good. So I think

881
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 6: that this defense has the makings of getting off the

882
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 6: field against better offenses this year because of the draft picks,

883
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 6: and you have some hope on that's that you have

884
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 6: some high end talent, you have some infusion of real

885
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 6: talent and that side of the ball, and you're not

886
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 6: just replacing guys like they are on offense.

887
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: And I think that sort of dovetails into what's you know,

888
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: we talked about everybody talking about Mac Jones popping and

889
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: we were like, eh, maybe, well another guy that a

890
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: lot of people had included was Jack Jones popping.

891
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 4: That one I would wholeheartedly agree with. Yep. I think

892
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: he had a couple of really good days Monday and Tuesday.

893
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: Again, we understand the competition evaluation all that, So that

894
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: disclaimer was out there, we understand. But I thought he

895
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: was active. I thought he was really tight in his coverage,

896
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: making plays on the ball. Had a really nice pick

897
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: at one point coming off of his man.

898
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: I think he had born on a.

899
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: Play and came over and undercut a deep sort of

900
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: fade down the side, almost like a real kind of

901
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: concept to a tight end.

902
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: I think he's part of that clean thing that's going

903
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: on with the team.

904
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 3: Well, and that's but that's that's important because to Evan's point,

905
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: Gonzalez puts everybody in their spots. Right, So if Gonzalez

906
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: is one in Jack Jones is two. Now you have,

907
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: in my opinion, Jonathan Jones where he belongs is in

908
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: the slot. And you can use these other guys the

909
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: way you want to. You can use Jalen Mills as

910
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: a deep free safety if you want to. Now, maybe

911
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: you have other options. Maybe you want to use all

912
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: these hybrid safeties in different ways. You don't want use

913
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 3: Jalen Mills that way, whatever, But you can do what

914
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: you want to do as opposed to.

915
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: What you have to do. Right, Yeah, that allows you

916
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 4: to do have more creative and I don't.

917
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 6: Need to like pick on him, but seriously, getting Miles

918
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 6: bryan off the field defensively makes the defense a lot better.

919
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 6: It just does. Like Jonathan Jone is just a much

920
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 6: better star or nickel, whatever you want to call it,

921
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: than Miles Bryant is and that really helps. And I

922
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 6: just with Jack Jones. Now he's got the freedom to

923
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: go and hunt for the football, and now he can

924
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 6: be that ballhawk that we know that he can be.

925
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 6: Because Christian Gonzalez is the one that's gonna go seventy

926
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 6: snaps against the fon Diggs and be in his face. Now,

927
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 6: is that gonna work out year one right off the bat,

928
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 6: that he's gonna take aj Brown and shut him down.

929
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 6: That's not what I'm saying, but it just the idea

930
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 6: of it is there for that potential to be there.

931
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: So I thought I came out of trade this offseason

932
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 6: in the spring thinking this defense really could be one

933
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 6: of the better defenses in the league truly, not just

934
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 6: like beating up on Sam Ellinger, but like padded stats.

935
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I think too, Evan, you know,

936
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: like to your point saying I think we should Uh,

937
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm good with Jude on like I just I'll see

938
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: Jude on week one, you know. Oh yeah, that illustrates

939
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: that it is a little bit tenuous in a couple

940
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: of positions I think where one or two key injuries

941
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 4: could could really hurt, especially at that outside linemacros spot,

942
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: which is you know, kind of when we saw Kem White.

943
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: So I'm really curious to see what he looks like

944
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: with pads on how much of a handful is he

945
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: really for those offensive linemen. I I'm intrigued by just

946
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: where he was playing, but I still don't really know

947
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 4: exactly what he is. I think that's the case though

948
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: with pretty much any linement at this point, you.

949
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: Know, Mike and Charlotte writes in fred KPI is key

950
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: performance indicators? I said, index. I've heard it index. It's

951
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: either one. It's the same thing.

952
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: Either way.

953
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 3: It's well above my tax bracket.

954
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't have it. I like it when

955
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm corrected, all right, area that's five hundred. Is the

956
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: ACE ticket outline web radio at pagries dot com. Is

957
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: the email address anything else we want to just put

958
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: on the table before we open it up to the

959
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: listteners NFL stuff.

960
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: So I would say one last thing that you know,

961
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: you guys can really talk about in your own time.

962
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: But Joe Judge, no specialists, you know, the kickers, you know,

963
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: I think that it's going to be interesting to see

964
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: how both kickers and punter sort of play out over

965
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: the summer.

966
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 4: I think they'll all be close. I think those are.

967
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the rookies will probably win. But

968
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: I don't think Nick Folk's going to go quietly, and

969
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: I don't think Corlos Waveman's going to go quietly either.

970
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I I think he was a little bit

971
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: inconsistent from the few you know here and there that

972
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: I saw. But I think it'll be uh, you know,

973
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: I don't know. You get excited for punter and kicker battles,

974
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: but it's always an interesting end to be the practice

975
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 4: with the kickers, you know, when you kind of go

976
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: back at the stop watch out. No, I don't know.

977
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 6: I think Ryland clearly hits the ball a lot better

978
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 6: than Folk at this time when I talked talking about

979
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 6: power right and when you also put into that kickoffs

980
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 6: after last year, you know, I just I think you

981
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 6: have to consider that. We'll see if you can, you know,

982
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 6: his control on the ball some of the preseason games,

983
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 6: things like.

984
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: That, does the new rule on kickoffs give any more

985
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: of a leg up? No pun intended. I don't think so,

986
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: you know, because you're gonna be kicking maybe shorter more often.

987
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

988
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think after last year, I if

989
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: they kick it out of the back of the end

990
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 6: zone every single time, I'm good with that. I never

991
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: want to see niaim heinz.

992
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: If it's going to the twenty five regardless a way

993
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 4: you kick it, Why do you have to kick it shorter.

994
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: Just to make them have a decision, you know, and

995
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: possibly a mistake, you know.

996
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you're really relying on some guy wanting to

997
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 4: play hero ball, you know. I mean, because I gotta

998
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: imagine in any kind of situation where you can't have

999
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: a mess up absolutely like near the end of the game,

1000
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 4: that they're not even gonna try, Like there's not even

1001
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: gonna cross. You are not returning this ball. So I

1002
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not sure how it's gonna play out,

1003
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: but I don't think. I don't think it's gonna help folk.

1004
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: No, I don't see how it could. Last year when

1005
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: he was kicking them short it's amazing return.

1006
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: So like on a punt, right when you punt the ball,

1007
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: guy raises his hand for fair catch, where the ball

1008
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: is down is where you start on a kickoff. If

1009
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: the guy doesn't catch, if he raises his hand but doesn't.

1010
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: Catch it, oh it's live.

1011
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: It's live. It's a live ball. Yeah, okay.

1012
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: Kickoff's a live ball.

1013
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: So they're not gonna so it's still a live ball

1014
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: if he doesn't catch it. Yeah, okay, hoping for a

1015
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: bounce or something.

1016
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 6: Right, maybe I don't know about I don't know. Now

1017
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 6: that you have basically have to give up fair catch

1018
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 6: rule kick.

1019
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: You have to catch a kickoff. You have to catch

1020
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: a kick in the past, you have. They didn't say

1021
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: anything that the rules changed. Okay, that would be a

1022
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: rule change. A kickoffs a live ball.

1023
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: But it's not fair catch rules like fair.

1024
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: Catch could always fair catch a kick, but that hasn't changed.

1025
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: They've only changing where you're putting the ball. Okay, but

1026
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 3: you always have had to catch.

1027
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: You can't let it like fair catch and then like

1028
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: get away from it because it's like the wind is

1029
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: bad or anything like that.

1030
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: No, do you understand what I'm saying, Like you like

1031
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: forever you've been able to fair catch a kick, and

1032
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: you would you would take possession where you caught the kick.

1033
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: The only difference is they're putting the ball at the

1034
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: twenty five if that fair catch takes place inside the

1035
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: twenty five. Okay, that's the only change to the rule.

1036
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 4: I watched the video yesterday that the officials put out

1037
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: and that actually wasn't even part of it. Okay, did

1038
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 4: you get a certificate for it?

1039
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: I did not get that certificate.

1040
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: It's unfair, right, because you're right, because otherwise it would

1041
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: negate the whole on sidekick, you could just raise your hand.

1042
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you know it's squibbing around fair catch. Yeah,

1043
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: don't touch me. That's why people don't chip them high

1044
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: on on side kicks, right, because you do is put

1045
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: your hand up. Now you can't touch the guy and

1046
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: all you just do is catch it.

1047
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: Now you just can't touch it, right, Okay.

1048
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: So unless they've made another alteration to the rule that

1049
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 4: they haven't.

1050
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: Can't do that without on sidekick, right.

1051
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: Didn't get a certificate though, But you don't know.

1052
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: For reason video it's the twenty five yard fair catch

1053
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: thing wasn't part of the video. It also seemed to you,

1054
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: guys can watch the yes that.

1055
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 6: I alway didn't get it.

1056
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out how I got it now.

1057
00:45:58,840 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 4: You just just stunned me.

1058
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: I think I just saw it on Twitter. I don't

1059
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: really think it was sent to me. But anyway, the

1060
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: twenty five yard touchback on the kickoff strangely wasn't part

1061
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: of the video, and it also seemed to cut off

1062
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: at a strange point, like there was more to the video.

1063
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like a rough cut of the video and

1064
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: they're going to add that in there.

1065
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, poor poor.

1066
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: Talking about like helmet contact, helmet use, tackle, yeah, bag heading,

1067
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 3: all right, Toroy Vincent, you know, playing up the player

1068
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: safety nonsense. Yeah, we care about you. Now that I

1069
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: no longer play, we care about you.

1070
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: Let's hear what from the listeners. Todd's in North Carolina?

1071
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: What's up?

1072
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: Todd?

1073
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 11: Kind of like the way the show is going. We've

1074
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 11: had positive Paul, and we've had dismal dues and all

1075
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 11: and then twitch Pip flopping back and forth. It's been

1076
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 11: a great show so far. Okay, So in that vein,

1077
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 11: I have this fallowing idea. I want one thing you

1078
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 11: feel optimistic about one concern and one thing ery might

1079
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 11: be pleasantly surprised, and I can go first. Okay, I'm optimistic,

1080
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 11: very optimistic about our defensive backfield, our DB's I think

1081
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 11: that's just to give it. My concern actually is our

1082
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 11: running backs. I don't know about our depth, and I

1083
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 11: know the two young guys didn't get too much play

1084
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 11: last year, and there's a bit of injury, so that's

1085
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 11: my concern. I think I'm going to be pleasantly surprised

1086
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 11: by our linebacking corps. So that's my three, and i'd

1087
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 11: love to hear your guys three.

1088
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Tod.

1089
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 6: Do you running back concerns on your own?

1090
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 4: I am not concerned about running backs at all time.

1091
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: It doesn't Yeah, I'd say I'm excited about the secondary.

1092
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: I think that's a good one that covers a lot

1093
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: of ground, some new places. I'd like to be pleasantly

1094
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: surprised by Juju Smith Schuster. I think that you know,

1095
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: if he is, you know, just a needle mover, like

1096
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: I just don't want a guy who's going to catch

1097
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 4: their down passes and fall down like I want somebody

1098
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 4: who can make some plays. So that would be be

1099
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: my pleasant surprise, and what was the other one?

1100
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: What's your concern?

1101
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: Concern?

1102
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: Every everything else, everything we heard the first forty show,

1103
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: everything else.

1104
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope my pleasant surprise is Taekwon Thwart.

1105
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good I mean, I think those two

1106
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 4: guys pleasant surprise, you know, maybe the pleasant surprises that

1107
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: they signed.

1108
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic overall about the defense, just overall, and you know,

1109
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, like you said, about the tackles.

1110
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there's just no easy answer with those

1111
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 4: tackle positions other than you know, a couple guys just

1112
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: kind of play above their weight for a season.

1113
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 6: Can we do past tense pleasantly surprised like what I

1114
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 6: was presently surprised and many can't. Mike is SICKI yeah, okay,

1115
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 6: that was much better than I was even anticipating. Like

1116
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 6: I think you talking about production wise, like his better

1117
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 6: years in Miami.

1118
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 4: If he sixty seventy somewhere in that, yeah.

1119
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 6: Seven hundred yards, eight hundred yards, If this keeps up

1120
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 6: a lot more fluid natural instinctive of a receiver than

1121
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 6: the guy he's replacing, just really looks like he is

1122
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 6: a football player that you know, I could hands runs

1123
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 6: routes well, explosive.

1124
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was really we're gonna use him correct, Yeah,

1125
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 4: how do you use him in the red zone? That's

1126
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: what you know, Like, how are you gonna play with

1127
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 4: those two guys, him and Hunter Henry. It sounds like

1128
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: they're gonna be out there together a lot.

1129
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just feel like, you know, the two things,

1130
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 6: the three things that you kind of knew that he

1131
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 6: could do. He could run, like he knew he was

1132
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 6: gonna be able to run the scene and run across

1133
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 6: the field and win some foot races like that in

1134
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 6: the catch radius in the red zone production, I think

1135
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 6: he thought it was going to be decent, but he

1136
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 6: showed a little bit more wiggle and a little bit

1137
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 6: more route running ability than what I kind of expected.

1138
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 4: And he's at a level athletically well above Hunter Henry.

1139
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: I think, yeah this point, Yeah, he's a little chemistry

1140
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: with Mac too. I think, like just Max sing, their

1141
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: a couple you know, quick, quick, get it out kind

1142
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: of throws. And it wasn't great, but you know, like

1143
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 4: pressure was coming because they dropped the level or whatever.

1144
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: It was not just because I was I was thinking

1145
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: the same. That's the thing I'm most excited about. Is

1146
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: him being implemented into the offense.

1147
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, own the red zone, big.

1148
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: What the thing I'm con learned about is like the

1149
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: offense in general, I remain concerned about, but specifically Mac

1150
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: and the offensive line.

1151
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 4: Those those two elements.

1152
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 3: And then the thing that I'm I guess pleasantly I'm

1153
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: hoping to be pleasantly surprised. But I think you guys

1154
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: have really good ones with the receivers. But I'm gonna

1155
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: say I'm going to be pleasantly surprised that it's just

1156
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: defensively you can just match out. It's not it's no

1157
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: longer just scheme related. It's just we can match up

1158
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: up front, we can do what we do and we

1159
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 3: can and we can get pressure. Like last year, I

1160
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: felt like they got pressure at times, but not necessarily

1161
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: when they needed it. I'm gonna be pleasantly surprised when

1162
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: they get pressure when they need it.

1163
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 6: Well, that's how you hope the coverage marries up right,

1164
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 6: where if you're now forcing the quarterback to hold the

1165
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 6: ball for an extra second because you have better coverage,

1166
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 6: it allows those guys up front the.

1167
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: Team I hope to be pleasantly surprised by that element

1168
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 4: of the defense.

1169
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: Willems and pelam, what up William? William, William, you're there?

1170
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: I guess not.

1171
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: I guess not. Let's see.

1172
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 4: I think Mike was so negative that William didn't have

1173
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: anything to add.

1174
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: A lot of emails coming in, a lot of emails, just.

1175
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: To parse it out a little bit though, Like I

1176
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: share how you put it, Polly, Like you know, the

1177
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 4: offense and the tackles are concerned. I just see the tackle.

1178
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: If that's a big problem, that's just gonna that's gonna

1179
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: undercut the whole offense right from the get, you know.

1180
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: Like I think generally, if they get solid play, I

1181
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: think they'll be okay. That doesn't mean I feel great,

1182
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: but I just think that they're if they're getting subpart

1183
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 4: play from the tackles, that that they're gonna be, they're

1184
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 4: gonna be in trouble.

1185
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 6: Uh.

1186
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: Floyd in Redford, Michigan, Fred You once referred to Mac

1187
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: as a high maintenance. As high maintenance, Evan has said

1188
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: the following about Mac. He isn't good under center. He

1189
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: doesn't have the arm to make the throw. He doesn't

1190
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: have the confidence to make the throw. When someone brought

1191
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: up the possibility of competition. Evan didn't want that and

1192
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: said you got to put your arms around him. Paul

1193
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: said he can't throw on the run. Can someone please

1194
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: explain why we should be excited about having mac as

1195
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 2: our QB.

1196
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 6: I don't think I said any of those things that

1197
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 6: he just listened off, So I don't know.

1198
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: I do think no one's telling you you have to

1199
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: be excited about the quarterback. I think we're all sort

1200
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: of wondering about the quarterback. You could feel held about

1201
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: the quarterback.

1202
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: I think we all say it comes down to how

1203
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: well he plays, and none of us really know.

1204
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of my whole my one concern

1205
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: we just with the exercise with this question.

1206
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: He can't be offense, he can't be as good as

1207
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: he was as a rookie. He's got to be significantly

1208
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: better than that, you know.

1209
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 4: And just as far as an Ota mini camp practice goes,

1210
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: he's he's just kind of the same guy, you know.

1211
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I was joking we were NFL Network's

1212
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: going to air this that blood so first game of

1213
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: Bloods second season where he went toe to toe with

1214
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 4: Dan Marino kind of a you know, coming up coming

1215
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 4: up right, you know, and Paul can speak to his

1216
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: performance probably a little bit more clearly than I can.

1217
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 4: But you know, I just you know, unfortunately, I mean,

1218
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: I don't. I have to say, I don't know what

1219
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 4: I'm expecting to see in an ota from Mac Jones.

1220
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: It's gonna make me say, like, oh my gosh, he's

1221
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: really made strides, but he has like he just looks

1222
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: like the same guy to me, the same you know.

1223
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: It's it's a couple throws downfield. There's a couple of

1224
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: clunky plays, and you know, so when the pads come on,

1225
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: when it gets serious, you get into joint practices and

1226
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 4: all that, I think we'll have a better sense it.

1227
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 4: I just I want to see some progress from him,

1228
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: Like I just I don't really, I don't think there

1229
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: is progress. No, I think the progress is between the ears.

1230
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: And that's like the only way where you're not going

1231
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: to see it.

1232
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 6: It's the only source that you're gonna get it from.

1233
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 6: Like the thing that's missing from from Mac, I think

1234
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 6: for all of us, Like he can throw the ball

1235
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 6: with touch and accuracy down the field like that the

1236
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 6: one that we posted on Twitter to get SICKI and

1237
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 6: you know, he had another one to Parker on the

1238
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 6: back pylon where he just put it up on a

1239
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 6: shelf for Parker, Like he can make those touch throws

1240
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 6: down the field, but it's like, you know, the the

1241
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 6: fifteen yard incut in between two defenders where he just

1242
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 6: steps into it and drives it on the line. It's

1243
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 6: the sideline out Like can he throw that ball without

1244
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 6: air under it?

1245
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 12: Like?

1246
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: Can you throw it on a line?

1247
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 6: And I don't know if that's ever gonna come for him,

1248
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 6: Like I don't know if he's ever gonna have that

1249
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 6: kind of arm talent. So you're just kind of hoping

1250
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 6: that he's gonna be one step ahead mentally, right, and

1251
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 6: that that's just kind of where he's at. But the

1252
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 6: one thing I want to throw out there about the

1253
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 6: offensive line without Mike on Winnie out there these couple

1254
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 6: of weeks, they have obviously filled in with a bunch

1255
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 6: of different guys. I don't think Bill Murray is a

1256
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 6: real thing, but like Antonio Mafi, Jake Andrews, maybe the

1257
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 6: guys that they drafted, maybe maybe on one who's a tackle.

1258
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 6: You know, I don't really love that doing that, Like

1259
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 6: I think that he's better off at guard. But if

1260
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 6: you kick him out back outside the tackle and you

1261
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 6: use one of you know, Antonio Mafi like, you can

1262
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 6: hide tackles our guards. Excuse me, you know that you can.

1263
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 6: You can open David Andrews to his side, you can slide,

1264
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 6: you can do all sorts of things to help out

1265
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 6: a guard, maybe on one who kicks back out to tackle.

1266
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 6: Now you're only worrying about one tackle spot. In between

1267
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 6: Trent Brown and Riley Reef and Connor McDermott and Calvin Anderson,

1268
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 6: you should be able to find one left tackle.

1269
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 4: Connor McDermott's a better right tackle than Michael and when

1270
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: you like, I struggle to see that just with the

1271
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 4: power on when you has and I also was just wondering,

1272
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: you know, what do you think that would do for

1273
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: him going into a free agency year where he now

1274
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 4: is going to go back to tackle.

1275
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: Is That's another good point, Mike, because you know how

1276
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: much I think that was an enormous part of the

1277
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: equation last year, was the fact that the two tackles

1278
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: had their noses bent out of joint when they switched sides.

1279
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: You know, and for the exact reason that you're talking about,

1280
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: when was a left tackle going into his free agency

1281
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: here and they moved them to right. Trent Brown signed

1282
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: as a right tackle and they made him a left tackle.

1283
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: And I do I can I put a hand on

1284
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: a bible and tell you that this was no. But

1285
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 3: I think both of those guys were upset about it.

1286
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 6: I just think it's I don't want to move Mike

1287
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 6: out to tackle, just because I think when you have

1288
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 6: a core back like Mac Jones, the depth of the

1289
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 6: pocket is more important than the with because he's got

1290
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 6: to be able to step up in the pocket. So

1291
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 6: having those three guys sturdy in the interior is probably

1292
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 6: better for his style of play. But if you're really

1293
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 6: really deficient there at tackle, he's probably the best tackle

1294
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 6: on your roster not named Trent Brown, and you kick

1295
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 6: him out, you put Mafia in at guard, And how

1296
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 6: much do you really drop off? If at all?

1297
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim and at Duncan, our friends at Duncan says

1298
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: Fred's correct. The best games are ones that the Patriots

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Speaker 2: win by a lot. They get a lead early and

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Speaker 2: continue to build on throughout the game. Love those days.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully they'll be back soon. I have a good feeling

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Speaker 2: about getting Hopkins signed. I heard a report on the

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Speaker 2: radio today that Robert Kraft is all for it. You

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Speaker 2: get the money right to sign him. Think I didn't

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Speaker 2: hear that, But I didn't hear it.

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Speaker 4: But I can understand why you. Why would mister I

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Speaker 4: heard bring excitement put in.

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Speaker 3: I've heard more speculation posed as facts on this whole

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Speaker 2: And last thing, my first disagreement with Evan, and it

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Speaker 6: calm down. Second of all, people need to realize that,

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Speaker 7: There's no season better than football season, and there's no

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Speaker 10: Patriots fans, you'll want to check out the replay on

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Speaker 10: this one. Pat the Patriot is stealing the show tonight

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Speaker 10: with his Bank of America mobile banking app.

1477
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Speaker 9: That's right, folks, So here we see Pat cheering and

1478
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Speaker 9: then whammo is that Bank of America life plan.

1479
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Speaker 9: And wait, now he's paying back his buddy for concessions

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Speaker 6: No way.

1484
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Speaker 10: As if that double move wasn't impressive enough, Now he's

1485
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1486
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Speaker 10: what a performance.

1487
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Speaker 9: Bank of America's digital tools are so impressive. Patriot fans

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Speaker 9: just can't stop banking. Learn more at Bankofamerica dot Com

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Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 2: History shouldn't have holy socks.

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Speaker 4: I'm a very religious person.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, who is that?

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Speaker 4: By the way, Michael question, just found it on some

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Speaker 2: Holy socks by doctor Soul.

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Speaker 4: That's terrible.

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Speaker 9: He was we get it out, We got gender on it.

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Speaker 4: He was working it out before and he got it out.

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Speaker 2: With up with Pope and Vatican. But that didn't work.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Back on Patriots Unfiltered, it's Deuce, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt

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Speaker 2: in the booth eight five five pats five hundred is

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1509
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: the email address. Alex and fall River writes in two questions, One, Evan,

1510
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 2: did you ever listen to PFW back when you were

1511
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: working for clinics, And did you have familiarity with the

1512
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: guys back then?

1513
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1514
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean not religiously, because I'm you know, I

1515
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 6: think we're all in the same boat.

1516
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 4: That we don't have a life.

1517
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 6: We don't read it done of content or listen to

1518
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 6: done of content from other people.

1519
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: But sure, and does the cast prefer the old name

1520
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: of PFW or the new one of PU. I will

1521
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: always have a saft spot in my heart for PFW

1522
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: in Progress. I kind of like that better too. Yeah.

1523
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: I still call a PFW in progress all the time.

1524
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 4: PU in progress. It's always been PU to me.

1525
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 2: So yeah too.

1526
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 4: You have your uniform on today?

1527
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1528
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 4: I did. Thank you. You can call Matt Morel for one.

1529
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I'll ship it to you. Maybe you'll get it.

1530
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: Name year, Josh and Turner's falls. Any chance you could

1531
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: give Matt a mobile camera and have him walk around

1532
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: the stadium and maybe get a d hop sighting. But

1533
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,480
Speaker 2: in all seriousness, if Hopkins doesn't sign with the Patriots

1534
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: now or later, do you think the Patriots need an

1535
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: upgrade of some kind at the skill position? Maybe Cook

1536
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: not my choice, but a name thrown around at Paul

1537
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: shows a Denver receiver free agent trade. Bueller would love

1538
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 2: to hear your guys opinions and maybe a name that

1539
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: might be a realistic option.

1540
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 4: You yeah, running, I would say they need somebody. I

1541
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 4: just I don't know, I don't know where. I mean,

1542
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 4: those ones kind of come out of nowhere, you know,

1543
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 4: I mean, that might be the kind of thing where

1544
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: you gotta wait till the trade deadline and you have

1545
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 4: to wait till someone's ready to eLOAD a Mohammed Sanu.

1546
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 4: But that's it, you know, that's that's where the options

1547
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 4: come from.

1548
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 6: You know, it's definitely it feels like trade for.

1549
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: Travis and West Virginia continues his feud with Paul Paul.

1550
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: Did you hear Einstein Allen's press conference on Tuesday? This

1551
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: is an actual quote from him. I'm just trying to

1552
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: talk and listen at the same time. Sometimes when you

1553
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 2: look dopey and speak dopey, it means you're actually dopey.

1554
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: But feel free to keep marveling at his intellect.

1555
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 3: Jeez, wow, Can I just say you've never heard that

1556
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 3: phrase before. You need to have the ability to talk

1557
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 3: and listen at the same time. Sometimes you can't just

1558
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: be all about you.

1559
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 4: I've heard that phrase.

1560
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: I've heard you have two ears in one mouth, so

1561
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 2: I've heard that as well, twice as much as you speak.

1562
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 3: I've heard that as well, Scott Pioli, and thank you

1563
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 3: for sharing that with us. The other thing is, by

1564
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 3: the way, I've never met Josh Allen, so I'm not

1565
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: telling you about his intellect. I have no idea what

1566
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: I have no idea what his IQ is. I have

1567
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 3: no idea what kind of student he was or what

1568
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 3: books much. Yeah, I'm saying he plays more often than

1569
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: not like a quarterback who understands what he's doing. He reads,

1570
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: he reads defenses very well. In my opinion, I think

1571
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 3: when he gets in trouble he's trying to do too

1572
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 3: much physically to extend to play. Not because I didn't

1573
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: read the man, I just got fooled in that coverage.

1574
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: I don't see that a lot.

1575
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 4: I was just there's an example that he's dumb. I

1576
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 4: don't I don't know how this even became a thing.

1577
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 4: He plays for a team in the division. I would

1578
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 4: just I would say, pretty simple, what would you say,

1579
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 4: how much did they throw? How much did Steve Belichick

1580
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 4: throw at Josh Allen over the last couple of years

1581
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 4: and turns kitchen the drink. So and that's why I

1582
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 4: just like keep.

1583
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: Once with the aid of a ninety mile wind, they

1584
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 3: were able to keep him under check.

1585
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 6: That's why I just keep coming back to with the secondary.

1586
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 6: And what makes me feel excited optimistic is I think

1587
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 6: they have better players in the secondary now. And I

1588
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 6: don't think you can beat Josh Allen with smoke and mirrors.

1589
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 6: I think you just have to be better than Buffalo,

1590
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 6: and you line up against Buffalo, you just need to

1591
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 6: have the horses to line up against them.

1592
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: And even when you have the right call and you

1593
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: disrupt him, he extends to play and he still be too.

1594
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 4: Well, that stupid touchdown he had last year like one

1595
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 4: foot out of bounds and then just like rifled it across.

1596
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 6: I think that's like what with him in particular. I

1597
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 6: think that's what has given them so much trouble. Is

1598
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 6: they might spin it on him and he might hold

1599
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 6: the ball for a second, but they can't get him

1600
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 6: on the ground. So then all of a sudden it

1601
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 6: becomes school yard. And he's okay with it becoming school yard.

1602
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 6: So once it once the play breaks down, now he's

1603
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 6: a whole another play.

1604
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 4: That's what they say.

1605
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 6: All the time. It's like two plays against him. It's

1606
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 6: the initial play and then it's like the secondary play,

1607
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 6: and that's where he beats them.

1608
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: And I would say without question that both like a

1609
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: guy like Mahomes and Josh Allen, what Evan just said

1610
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: is the biggest reason for their success. You just have

1611
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 3: a physical gift that most guys don't like. You can

1612
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 3: be smart, you can be dumb. If you're that physically talented,

1613
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna find a way to make some plays. But

1614
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 3: you can't do what they do and be dumb and

1615
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 3: play dumb all the time. Now that throat that you're

1616
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 3: talking about, the one in the Thursday Night game where

1617
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: mac Wilson had him on the sideline, that just as

1618
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 3: easily can be an example of what I'm talking about.

1619
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: When he gets in trouble, he's extending the play. Instead

1620
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 3: of pulling the plug, he throws one across his body

1621
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 3: and a.

1622
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 4: Guy picks it off.

1623
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: It happened to him a lot last year, but he

1624
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: had some red zone turnover problems last year, so sometimes

1625
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 3: he tries to do too much. I just think it's again,

1626
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 3: you're just trying to you know, put down the other

1627
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 3: guys in the division.

1628
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think, to me, the question isn't about his

1629
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: football smarts. It's about his off field like life, the

1630
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: type of girl friends and things like that.

1631
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 6: I'm really on I'm really hoping that Haley comes.

1632
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely a concern. If you're Buffalo, I

1633
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: don't dismiss it at all. You know, much like Tom

1634
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 3: Brady in the first I don't know fifteen years of

1635
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 3: his career. Yeah, yeah, uh.

1636
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,839
Speaker 2: Nikody from West Virginia's is that like nikhil n Coody?

1637
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 17: Honestly, I wouldn't know. Just my mother wanted to be different. Okay, nice, Hey,

1638
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 17: guys doing today?

1639
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: All right?

1640
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: Good?

1641
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 3: Great grand So this.

1642
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 17: Question isn't about this year, but when Bill decides to

1643
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 17: retire or get fired, if that ever happened. We have

1644
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 17: projections on who would be the next head coach, but

1645
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 17: I haven't heard any projects on them. Who would be

1646
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 17: the next GM? You guys happen to have any thoughts

1647
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 17: on who would be the next GM?

1648
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. It depends on how much Craft likes

1649
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 2: matc Grow mad Grow. You know, if Kraft likes him,

1650
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: then it could be Matt Grow do you.

1651
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 3: Think he would set it up more traditionally with a

1652
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 3: with a GM and a coach.

1653
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: Certainly if if the if the next head coach is

1654
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: either Gerard Mayo or Bill O'Brien.

1655
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: Let's say, because Bill O'Brien's been both.

1656
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 2: Up, I think I think at first Craft would have

1657
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: a GM.

1658
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no idea the answer to either one

1659
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: of those questions.

1660
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 4: It's a good one. Is that an owner decision whether

1661
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 4: or not to have a coach and a GM or

1662
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 4: is it I mean, yeah, that's that's his choice.

1663
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: Of course it is, of course it is. I Now,

1664
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: if you if you hire somebody with a high profile,

1665
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: like a Parcels or a Bellet, well, at Belichick it

1666
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: not at the time, but if you hire a high

1667
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 2: profile coach, sometimes they demand that I need to run

1668
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: the ship. You can have a GM all you want,

1669
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 2: but I have final say, and that's the terms that

1670
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: you hire the person under.

1671
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 4: But Belichick got that when he got here. Yeah, I'm

1672
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 4: trying to think.

1673
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I mean Andy Wazachuk was here, but he

1674
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: was more of the capologist type guy.

1675
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 6: When he got when he huh, when did Peoli come in?

1676
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 4: He came in with par with Belichick, but Belichick had

1677
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 4: final say from day one.

1678
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 6: He got it.

1679
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 3: Bobby Greer stayed on through the draft, which is a

1680
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 3: very common practice around the league when that happens. After

1681
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: the draft, he was fired. Peoli was the quote.

1682
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 4: Unquote general manager from day one, but he didn't have

1683
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 4: final say.

1684
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 6: No final say in the ninety year, finals say in

1685
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 6: the fifty three.

1686
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: Or both anything.

1687
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 4: I would agree with Andy got it.

1688
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, now did they butt heads, Yeah, they

1689
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: they disagreed, but Bill had final say.

1690
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 6: I think that's just the biggest thing. Like I don't

1691
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 6: necessarily care about the titles, but whoever is running the

1692
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 6: personnel department, whether it's director of player Personnel like mac

1693
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 6: ros title or GM, like, do you have the conviction

1694
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 6: to stand up to the guy that has the final

1695
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 6: saying and be like, no, we're this is this is

1696
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 6: not the right decision, Like we're not drafting this guy,

1697
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 6: We're drafting that guy. Like that that I think is

1698
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 6: is I just you gotta have that.

1699
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 4: I just think if there's one thing I've learned over

1700
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 4: the last few years, it's just how vital the draft

1701
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 4: is and how those picks are just everything, and it's

1702
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 4: unfortunate how it all works that, you know, certain teams

1703
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 4: stink and then they get really good players. But it's

1704
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 4: just it's everything for this franchise going forward.

1705
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: Ryan and Tampa writes in quick question for you all,

1706
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 2: if the Patriots signed d Hop, what would mac Jones

1707
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 2: need to do this season for you to consider giving

1708
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: him the fifth year option? For example? In my eyes,

1709
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: oh sorry, no, Cody, Yeah, I forgot he was there.

1710
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: For example, in my eyes, he'd need to have around

1711
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: forty two hundred yards, twenty five touchdowns to ten interceptions.

1712
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: Would two or more come from behind the games ceiling

1713
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: fourth quota drives. If you can't produce that, I don't

1714
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 2: think you can comfortably consider him your quarterback of the future.

1715
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

1716
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 6: Definitely giving him the fifth year option.

1717
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 3: If he plays the whole year, he's going to get

1718
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: the fifty year option. And it like for me anyway, Yeah,

1719
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 3: because that means he didn't do anything to lose the job.

1720
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 3: Bill didn't think. I mean, I guess it could be

1721
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 3: like a Cam Newton year where everybody thought he should

1722
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,879
Speaker 3: have lost the job, but he never did. I suppose

1723
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 3: that's possible. I don't think that will happen. If he

1724
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,839
Speaker 3: doesn't play well, I think Bill will make a change.

1725
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: And if he plays all seventeen games and it's not

1726
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: a disaster, I think he'll get The fifty year option

1727
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 3: is just too affordable, right, I.

1728
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 6: Mean that's a big It's a better question is the

1729
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 6: contract extension because the fifth year option is I mean,

1730
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 6: why not, like you have team control over a quarterback

1731
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 6: at an affordable price like there's He would really have

1732
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 6: to have the bottom fallout from underneath him to not

1733
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 6: get the fifth year option.

1734
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: Mitch in Albany still hasn't received his T shirt.

1735
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 3: I think he's just busting them on.

1736
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: You know, you know what you need to do. You

1737
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 2: got to turn your mic on first show.

1738
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 4: It was just routed differently because.

1739
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you send it with signature required

1740
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: so that you know and.

1741
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 9: You know the priority mailed, flat rate prepackaged stuff.

1742
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 4: All you got to do is put it in the mail.

1743
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 6: Sure it doesn't need a stamp.

1744
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pre stamp.

1745
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,879
Speaker 9: I don't know about flat ray envelope one ray anyway.

1746
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 4: The post office, like we got a bunch of his

1747
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 4: T shirts in here, like they're not stamped.

1748
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 6: The whole post offices hers in the UK.

1749
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: She let us all know.

1750
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: Uh Lee in Malvern, UK. Speaking of the UK, see

1751
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: Mike is wearing his.

1752
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,440
Speaker 3: Fox post officers walking around with Patriots.

1753
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: On filter shirts. I see Mike wearing his Patriots Unfiltered

1754
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: T shirt that looks at fantastic design, so well done

1755
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: whoever produced that. I'm hopeful for the upcoming season, but

1756
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: as a fan, I'm always excited to see the players return.

1757
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm concerned that again the majority of doubts seems to

1758
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: be on the offensive side, but I can't root again

1759
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 2: It's my team and I respect and rely on Patriots

1760
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 2: Unfiltered to give an honest assessment of what you've seen.

1761
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: How long do you think it will take to finally

1762
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 2: determine if MAC has what it takes after what seemed

1763
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 2: a wasted year last season? How long will it take?

1764
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 2: How long will you be able to say mid year, okay.

1765
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 4: About a year and keep MAC a year and a half.

1766
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 6: I still just go back to the same thing that

1767
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 6: I keep going, like, what what's your your judgment of

1768
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 6: what it takes? Like, I just it depends on what

1769
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 6: you're what you want you have to see it? Yeah,

1770
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 6: Like do you want them to be, you know, an

1771
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 6: MVP candidate or do you just want to be Kirk

1772
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 6: Cousins Like I I don't know, like that that's to

1773
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 6: each their own at that point.

1774
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know when you see it. I just I

1775
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 4: don't think any of it can really be determined like

1776
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 4: in training camp or in joint practices, Like, I don't

1777
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 4: think anything is really going to convince anybody that he's

1778
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 4: like turned a corner, that he's excelled. Like it has

1779
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 4: to happen in the games, and I mean it's everybody

1780
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 4: wants like what's the stat line? And I just I

1781
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 4: go back to how does the team look, does the

1782
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 4: team get behind him, are they able to perform and

1783
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 4: when when all the pressure is on, or they able

1784
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 4: to pull some wins out? Like those are the things

1785
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 4: that I've been missing. I haven't been like, man, if

1786
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 4: we just had a five thousand yard passer, we'd be fine.

1787
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 4: Like you need to be able to win games, and

1788
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 4: you know, especially in this league, it's so hard and

1789
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 4: there's so many good teams that when you have a

1790
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 4: chance to close a team out, you have to do it.

1791
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 4: And they haven't been able to do it on either

1792
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 4: side of the ball.

1793
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: For a couple.

1794
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: I can almost guarantee that when this season plays out

1795
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: and unfolds and we're talking to the offseason next year,

1796
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 3: there's gonna be just as many people saying you gotta

1797
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: give him the fifty air option as there will be

1798
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 3: saying there's no way I would give him the fifty

1799
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 3: air option. It's just I can't imagine. But all of

1800
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 3: a sudden, he's gonna go out there and throw you know,

1801
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 3: eleven touchdowns and sixteen interceptions, and it's gonna be blatantly obvious.

1802
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 3: Or thirty three touchdowns and five interceptions. It's gonna be

1803
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 3: blatantly obvious. It's gonna be somewhere in the middle where

1804
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: there's going to be you know, wild opinions on both sides.

1805
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 4: It's just the question of where the numbers come, like

1806
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 4: a what point did the interceptions come to the quarter?

1807
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 2: It's going to happen, but you know, or stretch like like.

1808
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: I've been, you know, obviously very critical in questioning, and

1809
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm always going to point it out. Yeah, yeah, it

1810
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: was great against the Colts, you know, and then someone

1811
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 3: who has been very positive on him is going to say,

1812
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 3: you know, how can you turn him down? I mean,

1813
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 3: look at you know, sixty nine you know percent completions,

1814
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 3: you know, forty two hundred yards, and they're going to

1815
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 3: point to that, you know the ep.

1816
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 4: EPA, there you go.

1817
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the I mean the only guy

1818
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 3: in the league. I mean, he's the second best quarterback

1819
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 3: in football.

1820
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 6: If you extrapolate a week nine from week sixteen, Paul,

1821
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 6: I mean, he's the third best quarterback in football exactly.

1822
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 3: In scoring points in those weeks. But hey when his own.

1823
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 6: It's expected points, fake points.

1824
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 3: Right right, They're great. They're great in the expect against

1825
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: much like they never lost a game that they didn't play, and.

1826
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 4: Do they have upa unexpected points at it, Like we

1827
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 4: didn't even realize we were gonna get those points. I'll

1828
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 4: bet you Mahomes is high on that list.

1829
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: Be in Brooklyn. I obviously love to have d Hot,

1830
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: but kind of like the way the offense is set

1831
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 2: up now. Two outside guys and Parker and Thornton, two

1832
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: inside guys and born Juju, two very solid tight ends

1833
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: and a great running back. I don't know if I

1834
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: want to get rid of Parker because we'd have a

1835
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: lack of outside guys. But I don't want to get

1836
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 2: rid of Bourn because he's very good with Mac and

1837
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 2: has been a great patriot.

1838
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 6: A lot of really goods and greats for guys that.

1839
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 4: Ever haven't really done nothing.

1840
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 3: I'm not even I'm not even going to talk about

1841
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 3: necessarily the caliber of players that we're talking about. Why

1842
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 3: if you swapped Hopkins for Parker, does that disrupt the

1843
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 3: inside outside that right?

1844
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Every team has two outside guys and two you know

1845
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: how good they are, but that's Hopkins. That's how good

1846
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: they are.

1847
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 3: And that's why people think that maybe in I guess

1848
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 3: we didn't really talk about this. Parker was kind of

1849
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 3: sort of icy icy good good word yes when asked

1850
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 3: about Hopkins, because I think that he's he's a veteran

1851
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 3: and he understands that it potentially could could put him

1852
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: in jeopardy at least his role.

1853
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 4: You know, Evan, didn't you say you saw something? Maybe

1854
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: they should use DeAndre Hopkins kind of like Julian Edelman, stop.

1855
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: It Cody in Indiana. I don't really understand that. I

1856
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: don't really understand why everyone says if we signed the

1857
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 2: hop who gets cut. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it, but

1858
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 2: didn't basically, didn't we basically lose two receivers in the

1859
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: offseason and only sign one. We lost Jacobe and only

1860
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: signed Juju. Yes, do we still not have an open spot.

1861
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: I know we're hoping one of the late round picks

1862
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: can stick, but still I don't understand why signing Hopkins

1863
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: means we have to move on from Parks or Born.

1864
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean you.

1865
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 6: Have It just means that I like we've said in

1866
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 6: the past, it is Parker or Boorn gonna sit on

1867
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 6: the sideline and never play and be happy about that.

1868
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 6: Like those two guys deserve to play like their their

1869
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 6: NFL caliber receivers that should be playing somewhere. So it's

1870
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 6: more about like malcontents than.

1871
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: Like like last year you had the guys that you

1872
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: just talked about. And you know, first of all, you

1873
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 3: started off first whatever mini games, four games. I think

1874
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 3: Thornton was on. IR didn't play at all. Agalow was

1875
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 3: a bigger part of the offense early on. Boorne was

1876
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 3: non existent. Then you know, agaloa sort of fell out

1877
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 3: of favor with the turnovers. He had a couple of

1878
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 3: balls go off his hands that were picked. He had

1879
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 3: a fumble, a big foble against Baltimore, so he kind

1880
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 3: of fell out. Like to Evan's point, you're gonna end

1881
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 3: up with somebody upset at least one person last year.

1882
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 3: Out last year, I think Agalore and Bourne were upset

1883
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: at various times, and like I said, a quarter of

1884
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 3: that you didn't even have Thornton. So yeah, you don't

1885
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 3: have to get rid of one of those guys.

1886
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 4: It's born that would be mine.

1887
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance of that, but you don't

1888
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: have to, Like, no, you can keep You're going to

1889
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 3: keep five receivers. I don't think a lot of teams

1890
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 3: have five receivers that you actually we'll think we'll.

1891
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 4: Play a big role on offense.

1892
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 3: Usually like you get down a little bit and it's

1893
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: a guy that might be able to be a return

1894
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 3: guy or scheduled to Mario.

1895
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I was just going to bring up,

1896
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 4: which is probably a good point to just bring up

1897
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 4: that Booty wasn't even out there for for mandatory mini

1898
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 4: camp and and you really didn't see anything out of

1899
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 4: out of pop as I as I've learned, he likes

1900
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 4: to be called you know, there was it was the

1901
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 4: it was the other guys that were forty four. I

1902
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 4: can't remember his name, but it's like the team I

1903
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 4: got a block, I got a block on the rally

1904
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 4: web name, but it was you know, it was the

1905
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 4: Malie cunninghams. Is the ed Lea's Like those were the

1906
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 4: guys in the opera.

1907
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 3: Camp, I think. But it was like Trey Nixon last year,

1908
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 3: only not downfield.

1909
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 4: But you'll notice, I mean, I would say generally, I

1910
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 4: don't know, maybe there's somebody out there doing a roster

1911
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 4: projection with Malie Cunningham on it, but like I don't, like,

1912
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 4: I'm not going to bang the table for any of

1913
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 4: those any of those low rate ranking receivers. So you know,

1914
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 4: by that token, I think, yeah, it could just you

1915
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 4: could just add de Hop and keep everybody. But it's

1916
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 4: just disappointing because I think you want to keep adding

1917
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 4: youth to this group, and we know there'll be some turnover.

1918
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 4: I think Borne is a free agent this year regardless

1919
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 4: if you cut Parker is too, so you know you've

1920
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 4: got real long term needs at that position. So ideally

1921
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 4: one of those kids would pop and then maybe you

1922
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 4: could move on from somebody who's a lame duck.

1923
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 6: Pop pop.

1924
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: There you go, Uh, Jean and Ottawa. I've been a

1925
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 2: long time listener to enjoy the show. You guys do

1926
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 2: a great job too quick requests. First, I'm hoping you'll

1927
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: bring back the three points with Perillo video future you

1928
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 2: used to have remember that. I think we didn't. You

1929
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: used to do it like from the bowl we'd sit

1930
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: you in.

1931
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 4: Oh, we did it in countless places. But yes, we've

1932
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 4: done many. From one in the bathroom, shrew it up

1933
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 4: in one of the suits. We did it in the

1934
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 4: inside the bowl, we did it the Hall of Fame.

1935
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 4: We've done it a lot of I think.

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01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: That would be good. We put paulam in a stall

1937
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Speaker 2: and he just talks. You don't see him, you just

1938
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: hear him home like no one's and then at the

1939
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 2: end of the piece you hear the flush. I think.

1940
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Speaker 4: I think it's a good button. I love it. Yeah,

1941
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 4: I appreciate the love though.

1942
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: Thank you also with all to do your job. Videos

1943
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 2: produced by the Patriots. How about doing one featuring Pu

1944
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: and your whole group.

1945
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 6: It's not that exciting, that's no.

1946
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 4: Well, you never know.

1947
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 3: We could do one and we could sit around and say,

1948
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 3: why don't we do a feature on it? Well, they

1949
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 3: won't let us do that.

1950
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Oh, we could do one on like you know,

1951
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: the amazing arguments we have about the Celtics.

1952
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 6: That would have been good content.

1953
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 4: That would have been just to burn it off and then.

1954
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: We'd have to like censor it while the f bombs

1955
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: were flying.

1956
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 4: Well, it was nice if there was something to argue about,

1957
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 4: like I feel like part of this team. It's been

1958
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 4: hard to like really get into disagreements because you know,

1959
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 4: they haven't been all that good. It's a kind of

1960
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 4: an you know, it's hard to be like.

1961
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 3: Well, you think it's hard now, at least now there's

1962
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: like positives and negatives. When Iny and I used to

1963
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 3: do this when they were going fourteen to two, that's

1964
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 3: when Bill O'Brien used to make fun of us. I

1965
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 3: don't know how you got do it? You find something that.

1966
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 2: I miss those days where you know, I was the

1967
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 2: one saying, hey, I think they're pretty good, and Paul

1968
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: and Andy would argue with.

1969
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 4: Me like, like they'll be lucky to make it the

1970
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 4: super Bowl with the lead a championship.

1971
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 3: We really had to try hard to come up with something.

1972
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 3: But again it was always the disclaimer, assuming that they're

1973
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 3: gonna win at least twelve games and whether or not

1974
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 3: they're hosting the AFC Championship game. That's what these concerns

1975
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 3: have to do with, Like whether or not the fourth

1976
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 3: string tackle was good enough in case two guys got hurt,

1977
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 3: Like that's what Those are the things.

1978
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 4: The center right now, we're like, who's our first string?

1979
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 4: Those are the guys.

1980
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 3: Those are the things we used to argue about.

1981
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 9: Uh.

1982
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: Philippe in Rio de Janeiro love the summer coverage of

1983
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: the team. How does Juju's injury impact the evaluation of

1984
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 2: this team's decision to acquire him instead of keeping Jacobe

1985
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 2: Meyers A good question.

1986
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have the answer, but question chairpoint.

1987
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 2: I mean, the the only right side I could say

1988
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: about Juju was at least he was here, like he

1989
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: wasn't like I mean, he wasn't here when they went

1990
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 2: Kansas City went to the White House. But he was here.

1991
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: He's here for minicamp. He just wasn't on the field,

1992
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,879
Speaker 2: you know, So it's not like he's not here.

1993
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 4: Right and he is in meetings, and I think Lawrence

1994
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 4: Guy is the only guy that was.

1995
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 6: We did also see some of the photos from the

1996
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 6: practices that we were not invited to He was at

1997
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 6: least in one picture, so he I think they he

1998
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 6: was out there maybe, but yeah, I don't know much

1999
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 6: about his situation, but it sounds like Taekwon was was

2000
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 6: really just playing it safe. In the spring.

2001
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: Phelipe says, I'm ready to go ahead and take an

2002
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: early shot at the decision one I was not on

2003
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 2: board from at the start. Jujus is marginally better than

2004
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: Jacoby at best and has an injury issue that prevented

2005
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 2: him from joining the team for midiicamp on his first

2006
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 2: season with the team, So Philip put Philip down for

2007
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: not liking the decision.

2008
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it'll be an interesting one to

2009
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 4: kind of watch because, like I've said many many times,

2010
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 4: Jacoby always produced, whether he was Tom Brady, Cam Newton.

2011
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't the biggest needle mover on the offense,

2012
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,879
Speaker 4: but he knew what he was doing. He was reliable,

2013
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 4: he always spoke always, you know, had had good not

2014
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 4: I would say good things, but you know, it was

2015
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 4: always willing to talk and gave honest answers. And you

2016
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 4: know it's it's it's gonna be hard for Juju to

2017
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 4: top what Jacob the guy Jacoby was off the field.

2018
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 2: For sure.

2019
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 4: I think he can top him on the field, but

2020
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 4: I got to see and Jacoby was, you know, until

2021
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 4: this year. He got hurt a bunch, but he didn't consistent.

2022
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 3: And that's why I've always called it a wash. Is

2023
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 3: not because I didn't think like Juju Smith Schuster, whatever

2024
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 3: year I think it was eighteen, whatever year it was,

2025
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 3: he had a year that Jacoby Myers is not capable of.

2026
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 6: Ye eighteen.

2027
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 3: He's like when he came into the league with a

2028
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 3: higher level of talent than Jacoby Myers had because he

2029
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 3: was a receiver. The injuries to me have evened it

2030
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 3: in my in my opinion. Now some people still think

2031
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 3: it's fine. I'm not gonna split hers, but that's that's

2032
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 3: that's the big concern for me is did he ever

2033
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 3: get that explosiveness back?

2034
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, can he run like?

2035
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 3: Can he run like?

2036
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 4: And that's what makes him better than Jacoby, you know,

2037
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 4: like those things with the ball like that Jacob didn't

2038
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 4: really have, Like he get in the right spot. But

2039
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's not going to turn a ten

2040
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 4: or twelve yard completion into like a thirty forty yard

2041
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 4: scoring play unless he's throwing the way.

2042
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 6: I honestly think that that's what it came down to,

2043
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 6: which we talked about in March, was just this Bill

2044
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 6: O'Brien offense, and what Bill O'Brien is all about is

2045
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 6: catch and run, Like he wants guys that can catch

2046
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 6: and run the football, you know, hit him over the

2047
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 6: middle of the field and pick up go from an

2048
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 6: eight yard slamt be turning into a twenty yard game.

2049
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 6: And that just wasn't Jacoby's game. I just think from

2050
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 6: a skill set perspective, he Juju fits better with the

2051
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 6: style of offense that they want to play. But he's

2052
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 6: got to be out there obviously. So it's a good question.

2053
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 2: Uh. Doctor James, who's our resident cartoonist, says, I know

2054
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: that you guys, especially evanly influenced by the newer statistical tools,

2055
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: it's really important. But today you all talked about clutch

2056
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: plays and that made me want to ask a question

2057
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 2: that has been on my mind for a while. To

2058
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: what extent do you rate the importance of these intangible

2059
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 2: or immeasurable factors like clutch or gamer or locker room guy.

2060
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 2: How much of what's important in football is this quantifiable stuff.

2061
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 4: Yea fourth quarter comebacks. I mean that's a you know,

2062
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 4: QB stat hashtag.

2063
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: But I give Evan credit because a lot of Evans

2064
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 3: fellow stat nerds do not believe in clutch, do not

2065
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 3: believe in it.

2066
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 6: They think they don't believe in momentum either, you know,

2067
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 6: as that.

2068
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 3: At bats and the same as in the third ding

2069
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 3: and you know, plays in the fourth quarter, the same

2070
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 3: as those in the A lot of I'm not making

2071
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 3: that up. A lot of analytically driven people do not

2072
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 3: believe in that.

2073
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Don't tell me there's no such thing as momentum. I

2074
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: saw the twenty eight three game. I mean, do not

2075
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: ever tell me there's no such thing as momentum.

2076
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 3: So you saw that?

2077
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 2: What was that?

2078
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 8: Like?

2079
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's anyone that saw that and says, oh,

2080
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 2: momentum is not a real thing, then that was it?

2081
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: That was it right there?

2082
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 6: It might be like harder to like David Ortiz's grand

2083
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 6: slam against the Tigers in the ALCS, one of the

2084
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 6: clutches of clutch moments in the history of sports, Like

2085
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 6: you're telling me that that wasn't like a thing.

2086
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 2: And got him? Is he's done? He did it.

2087
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 4: A lot right, you know, they're.

2088
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 6: Down four runs in the ALCS and he hits a

2089
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 6: grand Slam to tie the game and like the eighth

2090
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 6: and eighth.

2091
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 4: But what happens is the guys that pushed back on this,

2092
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 4: And I've heard a lot of conversations about this, and

2093
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 4: it's something that really sticks in my head.

2094
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 3: You know, they'll they'll point to the numbers that don't

2095
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 3: back that up. You know, like Derek Jeter has always

2096
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 3: been considered a clutch player, but if you look at

2097
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 3: his his overall numbers, they're not really any better in

2098
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 3: the postseason than they are. That's not the point. It's

2099
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 3: not it's not how you it's not what we're.

2100
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:57,520
Speaker 2: Talking about the situation.

2101
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 3: It's like, like Evin talks about with David Oatiz, there

2102
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 3: were very very rare times when you really need a

2103
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 3: hit here that he didn't come through. Now, no one,

2104
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 3: you know, comes through every time. But when you have

2105
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 3: a guy like, in my opinion, if a guy's a

2106
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 3: three hundred hitter in baseball and he hits three hundred

2107
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 3: with basis loaded two outs in the ninth inning, that's

2108
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 3: far more impressive. Like to say that that's the same

2109
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,879
Speaker 3: as the regular season is wrong. Because it's much harder

2110
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 3: in the second scenario than it is the first. And

2111
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 3: the same thing with the fourth quarter, like you well,

2112
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, his passer rating is really no better in

2113
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter while trailing than it is in the

2114
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 3: first quarter.

2115
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 4: But it's enormously different. The defense is a playing If

2116
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 4: the defense is coming after.

2117
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 3: You, you have like if you would throw one incipley pass,

2118
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 3: the games over like that, that whole Tom Brady comeback,

2119
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 3: Like one time they have to punt in the fourth

2120
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 3: quarter of the game's over or turn it over on

2121
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 3: fourth on downs because obviously they wouldn't.

2122
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 4: He had to score every single time. You don't think

2123
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 4: that's harder to perform in than regular time.

2124
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 2: And on the game tying drive in that game against

2125
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 2: the Falcons, Brady was under pressure. I mean they were

2126
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 2: hitting him. He was standing in the brora taking the

2127
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 2: hit and and to me, that's clutch, that's mental. He

2128
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 2: didn't let it get to him. You know, some guys

2129
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 2: have it and others don't, so you can.

2130
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 3: Play the same. So there's nothing that you could point to. Well,

2131
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 3: you know it really is. It really doesn't change, that's

2132
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 3: the point. Like Joe Montana, he never changed when it

2133
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 3: was the Super Bowl, he played the same as he did.

2134
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 4: In every Young Candy. You know.

2135
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 3: That's that to me, is an enormous intangible that can't

2136
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 3: be quantified.

2137
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: Right.

2138
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 4: I feel a little biased, but I kind of feel

2139
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 4: like hockey and I maybe would say baseball too, are

2140
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 4: sports that are very conducive to momentum because there's such

2141
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 4: a float to those games. And it does. I do

2142
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 4: think it exists in football too, but you know, it

2143
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 4: gets a lot more broken up where you have like

2144
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 4: our special teams and then we're gonna kick an extra

2145
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 4: point and then we've got to kick off and you know,

2146
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 4: so it's a little hard to maintain it. But I

2147
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys could probably speak a little bit better

2148
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 4: to basketball, but I just, you know, know, playing refing hockey,

2149
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 4: like there are just times where you're like, we're up

2150
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 4: against it right now, like you know, and and it

2151
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,560
Speaker 4: can change in the blink of an eye. Like I

2152
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,839
Speaker 4: don't think that it's a thing where like we're really struggling,

2153
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 4: like it only takes once one little play to shift momentum.

2154
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 4: But I firmly believe in the people.

2155
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 2: Call a lot of this stuff intangibles. I think it's

2156
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 2: all tangible. I think it's all tangible. Well, I mean,

2157
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 2: it's you know.

2158
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 3: Tangible about it.

2159
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: You can like you can tell a guy who's clutch,

2160
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 2: like he shows you over and over, Like you don't

2161
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 2: earn clutch until you've done it many times. But once

2162
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: you've done that's tangible. Like this guy's clutch. Larry Bird

2163
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 2: is a clutch player.

2164
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 3: No, but what I'm saying is you don't know that

2165
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 3: guy hazard until you see him do it right. That's

2166
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 3: why it's in intangible. You can't quantify it heading into

2167
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 3: till afterwards. Yeah, now you can say he was clutching

2168
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 3: those games, right. And it's the same thing like if

2169
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 3: you start off your career and you fail in a

2170
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 3: lot of those spots, you get that knock that you

2171
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 3: don't come through in the clutch. But if you if

2172
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 3: you start off the you know, like Alex Rodriguez is

2173
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 3: a guy who was always bashed in baseball because he

2174
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 3: never did it when it counted well, and then all

2175
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 3: of a sudden in two thousand and nine, he had

2176
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 3: an unbelievable postseason when the Yankees. You know, younger folks

2177
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 3: might not remember the Yankees last one in the world series.

2178
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 3: It's quite a while ago two thousand.

2179
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 6: And nine they were also juice.

2180
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the whole league was juiced then, just

2181
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 4: the Yankees. But so does that mean that he had

2182
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 4: it all along?

2183
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 3: No Price a great example, but Derek Jeter's over.

2184
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 4: But then, like, how about the example of Tom Brady who,

2185
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 4: like his first Super Bowl, he executes like gave him

2186
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 4: a chame winning drive and you know, and then it

2187
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 4: was like it was just on with him. I mean,

2188
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 4: then he did it again and O three like he

2189
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 4: had it.

2190
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 3: So now if he doesn't come through with the game

2191
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 3: on the line on a certain time, no one's gonna

2192
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 3: call him a choker because he's done it.

2193
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Because he's done it, you know.

2194
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, whereas the guy who chokes all Like,

2195
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 3: no one would say that a Rod is a clutch player.

2196
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 4: I certainly wouldn't.

2197
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say Derek Jeter was a clutch player.

2198
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 4: Well, that's just that's Josh Allen esque, right, Actress, I

2199
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't say that a Rod is a clutch player. He

2200
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 4: was incredibly clutched once, yeah, But but I wouldn't say

2201
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 4: that that diminished, you know, that that overshadows the rest

2202
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,799
Speaker 4: of his career. What he had many opportunities to perform

2203
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 4: in big spots and didn't come through, like.

2204
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 2: You know, like Edelman, a ridiculously Edelman and Welker. So

2205
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 2: many of the players came on third down when you

2206
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 2: knew it was going obviously we're going to have to pass,

2207
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 2: and they still made.

2208
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 4: The play, but Welker.

2209
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 6: But this is why Welker is not in our Hall

2210
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 6: of Fame, right.

2211
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 2: Because of that one yeah play, which I still say

2212
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 2: he's a clutch player, right, I still say he's a

2213
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 2: clutch play.

2214
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 3: Of course he was. But again, it's intangible.

2215
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's tangible.

2216
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 3: I believe it's tangible because you're basically go on what

2217
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 3: you see, which is the very definition of to be fair.

2218
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 4: Seven.

2219
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 6: We can we can quantify some of it at this point. Yeah,

2220
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 6: you can quantify some of it.

2221
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is a guy's performance is unaffected

2222
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 3: by the situation. No, I get that, That's what I'm talking, right,

2223
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 3: But I can tell you.

2224
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 6: I can tell you, like what Tom Brady's passer rating

2225
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 6: is in a one score game in the fourth quarter

2226
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 6: versus Aaron Rodgers is passer rating in a one score

2227
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 6: game in the fourth quarter, and let me tell you,

2228
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 6: Tom Brady's is a lot better. Right, I can tell

2229
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 6: you these things. I don't know if that does it

2230
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 6: for you, but.

2231
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 3: Right, but can you tell me how many catches Wes

2232
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 3: Welker has in the fourth quarter of one score games

2233
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 3: as opposed.

2234
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 4: To like you know, like, so, do you call him

2235
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 4: a choker or not? Like, yeah, I can, but you

2236
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 4: think he's a choker?

2237
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 6: No, but I can tell you but he's dropped to one.

2238
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 3: Like that's my point, Like you don't know what's going

2239
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 3: on at the particular time. I think that's The numbers

2240
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 3: only tell you so much, right, because there's no context

2241
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 3: behind them.

2242
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 4: Right.

2243
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 2: Colin writes in I've been enjoying, I've been drawing the

2244
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 2: spring OTAs and what they bring. But any whisper of

2245
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 2: struggling offense makes me nervous and causes my little hope

2246
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 2: bubble to begin to shrink. I think with Gaseki we

2247
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 2: have upgraded from nothing to something at tight end at

2248
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 2: tight end two. But with why receiver, I feel really

2249
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:04,639
Speaker 2: nervous about going into the season with what we have. Lastly,

2250
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 2: I'm feeling nervous about all the d hop talk, really

2251
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 2: hoping it happens. But the longer it goes and the

2252
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 2: more the media hypes it up into uh, in my opinion,

2253
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 2: the less likely we are to sign him. We've seen

2254
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 2: Bill make splash signings, but also a lot of low

2255
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 2: balling top wide receiver talent. I fear that is where

2256
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 2: we're heading. Question, if we don't get d hop are

2257
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:29,759
Speaker 2: there any other moves you can see us making?

2258
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 10: No?

2259
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 4: I mean they've got two roster spots open right now.

2260
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 4: I mean we mentioned the tackle position, where I think

2261
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 4: you just probably need more depth. I mean, I don't

2262
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 4: know what else to tell you. The ideally you'd need

2263
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 4: a starter, but I don't know, I don't know.

2264
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 6: I think the week is to Tony Hopkins. Thing is

2265
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 6: so rare because it's June sixteenth and DeAndre Hopkins is available,

2266
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 6: Like that's this just doesn't happen, you know. So he's

2267
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 6: kind of it like there's there's not going to be

2268
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 6: another DeAndre Hopkins level player. I mean, I guess you

2269
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 6: could say Dalvin Cook, but it's a separate position in

2270
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:02,679
Speaker 6: a whole different argument.

2271
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:07,759
Speaker 4: So I just know, waite deadline, wait till the trade deadline,

2272
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 4: and then I mean that might be and then and

2273
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 4: at that point, you're like, are we a team that

2274
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 4: is at a crossroads and feel like we're a player

2275
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 4: away from really making a push, And you know, is

2276
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 4: it even does it even matter at that point to

2277
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 4: make the trade?

2278
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 2: George and Maryland rights in two things O seven, I

2279
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 2: knew we were going to lose the Super Bowl when

2280
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 2: the Giants beat the Packers. The way they played week

2281
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 2: seventeen had me shook The twenty eleven super Bowl hurt

2282
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 2: more from twenty ten Super Bowl hurt more from me?

2283
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 2: I think he meant eleven. Yeah, and two, Evan, you

2284
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: kind of threw out thirty five twenty eight. I don't

2285
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 2: think any team is putting up thirty five points of

2286
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 2: this defense this year.

2287
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 4: Oh, I wouldn't think that. I think that's crazy talk.

2288
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I wouldn't agree. Philly, Dallas, Kansas City, Buffalo.

2289
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 6: I'm not telling you that any of those teams can

2290
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 6: put up there.

2291
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you they're all going. But

2292
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 3: so you're telling me like Christian Gonzales and key On

2293
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 3: White in replace of Devin mccordy is gonna prevent all

2294
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 3: the the thirty point games they allowed last year.

2295
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 2: I think it's it's just a matter of like what

2296
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:17,719
Speaker 2: it does. It's like, like Evan said, Christian Gonzales puts

2297
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 2: people in the right place.

2298
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 3: I understand that. I think they they I think it

2299
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 3: makes I think they have a chance to be better

2300
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 3: on defense, but that much better. Well, you're not going

2301
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 3: to allow the best teams in the league.

2302
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Score nobody Like, No, that's that's not reasonable.

2303
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 4: Well that's what you just suggested. No one's putting up

2304
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:33,759
Speaker 4: thirty five.

2305
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 2: On I didn't say that, Georgian Marrison.

2306
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 3: That's what this guy just said.

2307
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, five times last year they gave up thirty plus.

2308
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 2: Like five times. Yeah, so let's make that two times.

2309
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 3: And now you're playing a schedule that's twice as difficult.

2310
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 6: But can we also like win a game thirty eight

2311
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 6: thirty five? Like, is that that's an option?

2312
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 2: Right?

2313
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 4: I mean I got over thirty and they're like, well

2314
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,719
Speaker 4: that's it. We can't beat them. Now get over twenty five.

2315
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 6: That's that's the magic number in the Mac Jones era,

2316
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 6: twenty five points that they're like owing like thirteen or

2317
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 6: something like that when the opponent scores more than twenty

2318
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 6: five points.

2319
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 4: Since Mac they toe twenty five six times last year.

2320
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,600
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just that's the problem. Like, okay, you

2321
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 6: can top twenty five against you know, like Roy, like

2322
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,759
Speaker 6: the Bill, like the Bills game. Excuse me, the Browns

2323
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 6: game when you just are you beat him by three touchdowns?

2324
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 3: How many times over?

2325
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 4: Twenty five? Five?

2326
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 6: Two of the mom's happy stop it?

2327
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? Uh well the Ravens they got twenty six, which

2328
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, for a minute, was was they

2329
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 4: were kind of going back and forth a little bit

2330
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 4: with them.

2331
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 18: There was a little it was a little pushback and

2332
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 18: went yep, twenty nine against Detroit, thirty against Cleveland, twenty

2333
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 18: six on Indy, twenty six on the Vikings, twenty seven

2334
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 18: on the on the Cardinals.

2335
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 6: And there was back and forth in Minnesota too, until

2336
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 6: there wasn't you know, I mean that game was fourth quarter?

2337
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cardinals. One was defensive.

2338
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 6: Points Hunter Henry should scored, by the way, but beside.

2339
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well how many of those were defensive points because Duggart.

2340
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 3: They had a touchdown against the Cardinals, And would they

2341
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 3: score against the Raiders twenty four?

2342
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Right? Uh yeah, Kyle Ramon and Tampa loving the PU shirt, Deuce,

2343
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 2: who would you rather game one? Would you have been

2344
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 2: more okay with the Panthers winning or the Heat Florida Panthers.

2345
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 6: More okay, Florida Panthers.

2346
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the Heat because I don't because I

2347
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 4: have Bruce Cassidy.

2348
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 6: No, because I just I don't like mine.

2349
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 3: I would have said I was I don't like. Yeah,

2350
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 3: I didn't want. I wasn't rooting for either one of them.

2351
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 3: But I would have been more okay with the Heat

2352
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:44,640
Speaker 3: winning because I was rooting for Bruce Cassidy.

2353
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 2: Why were you rooting for Bruce Cassid.

2354
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 4: Because I like them. I thought he did a good

2355
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 4: job as the pace.

2356
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 2: So you think he got done dirty here?

2357
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 3: Not necessarily. I think in that league especially, I think

2358
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 3: there's a shelf life and I think that had probably come.

2359
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 4: I don't like the way they did it. I don't

2360
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,440
Speaker 4: like the way they allowed the players to dictated so

2361
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 4: so blatantly. But I think you did a really good

2362
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 4: job as the Bruins coach did, and I was rooting

2363
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 4: for him to win. Does that I mean I was.

2364
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,719
Speaker 3: I assume that goes against you a fan boy, Prido, Yes,

2365
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 3: like you you had a root against him because he

2366
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 3: used to.

2367
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 4: I mean it was remarkable. I'm always here five year

2368
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 4: six they were, I mean, and they were always a

2369
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 4: real good regular season. I mean they had their flameouts

2370
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 4: and we you know, and it was always the secondary

2371
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 4: scoring thing or Tuca you know, didn't quite come through

2372
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 4: in the clutch like we were talking about. But so yeah,

2373
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 4: team I looked at that.

2374
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 6: I thought he was here for the Blackhawks Cup too,

2375
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 6: but that was still clod Jillian. Yeah, so it was

2376
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 6: one one cupp run in nineteen that they lost in

2377
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 6: obviously game seven, But I.

2378
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 4: Thought he was better than Clode even though Cloude had

2379
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,799
Speaker 4: more success or postseason success.

2380
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really would you rather? But he says,

2381
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,600
Speaker 2: which AFC East opponent would you love to see have

2382
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 2: a tragic meltdown that last five years?

2383
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 4: Buffalo right now easily see that to me is Miami.

2384
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 4: That's I hate Miami. I've always hated Miami. That's always

2385
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 4: been the team in the division. I disliked the.

2386
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 3: Moment, But to me, we'll watch them exactly why right now?

2387
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 3: I got to see Don Shula on the sideline making

2388
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:14,799
Speaker 3: all the rules, you know, just completely dominating the league.

2389
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's because Bills are so dominant now,

2390
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 2: a meltdown for them would be a much, you know

2391
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 2: to me.

2392
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 6: To me, it's about Bill's mafia. I just don't like

2393
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 6: the go go back into your little caves and be quiet,

2394
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 6: all right.

2395
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 3: The thing about them that really irritated me is they

2396
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 3: will go me three and thirteen and they were the same.

2397
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 4: They're the same as they.

2398
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 6: Are insufferable and and I have you know, the Twitter

2399
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 6: friends you know with some of them, and I love

2400
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 6: them all, but like they're their fandom is insufferable, and it's.

2401
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:46,879
Speaker 4: Unlike the Patriots.

2402
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 6: No, it's insufferable because they are not the Patriots, right,

2403
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 6: but they they act correct. They act like they have

2404
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 6: a seat at the table. They haven't won a thing

2405
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 6: with this era or ever like, and yet they act

2406
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:00,679
Speaker 6: like they they can talk.

2407
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 4: They'll carry themselves like they've won a long.

2408
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 6: Like they can talk smack to Patriots fans, it's like,

2409
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 6: what are you talking about? Like you have not one

2410
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:12,599
Speaker 6: a single thing. Your your history is choking, Like that's

2411
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 6: your history. You are four Super Bowls in a row,

2412
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 6: losing all four of them, Like you know how hard

2413
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 6: that is to lose all four?

2414
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 2: I'd like keep losing. The new stadium goes bankrupt. They

2415
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 2: moved to Toronto, Okay, that's a little bit.

2416
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 4: Mean.

2417
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 6: I just really don't like Phil's mafia.

2418
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 3: The first time I ever saw Pete Carroll on the

2419
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 3: sideline not chopping on his gum.

2420
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 2: Finally, would you rather Bill gives up drafting but stays

2421
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 2: as the coach or bring in a whole new regime.

2422
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 4: Whole new regime, Yeah, a whole new region. You're not

2423
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,639
Speaker 4: gonna do that. Just you gotta divorce yourself with that idea,

2424
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 4: Like it's it's all or nothing with him.

2425
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 6: But in this scenario, the same coach I would. I

2426
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:54,679
Speaker 6: would co have Bill coach, Yeah.

2427
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 4: But I just want to change with just like the

2428
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 4: defensive side though.

2429
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 6: That's what he's really good at.

2430
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's what excess. Somehow no one found no

2431
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 4: somehow no one found any problem with that refreshed. I mean,

2432
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 4: just like totally different guys I've been talking about on

2433
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 4: your shows.

2434
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 6: They've been talking about that all week.

2435
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 3: Oh I know, I'm talking about the right like us

2436
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:19,839
Speaker 3: talking about our colleagues. That one slipped by everybody.

2437
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 6: I know, we don't like talk about this stuff a ton,

2438
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 6: But to me, out of all of the of the

2439
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 6: jabs that back has ever taken at Bill that to

2440
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 6: me was the biggest one of all of them publicly, but.

2441
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 4: Do you agree, like in terms of the writers, no

2442
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 4: one really made much of it.

2443
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm surprised, biggest one by I would just I'm

2444
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 6: glad this.

2445
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 4: Came up, because this was another thing I wanted to

2446
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 4: Obviously you high five to well.

2447
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 10: No.

2448
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to bring it up because I think, you know,

2449
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 4: we talk all about how the offense, defense look and

2450
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 4: all the things. I think that this team might have

2451
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 4: an issue. They're still they're still thinking about last year,

2452
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 4: and I think that there's so much kind of kind

2453
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 4: of going around. And I'm usually not one to like

2454
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 4: really try to read between the lines of everything they say,

2455
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 4: but it's been hard these last few press avails when

2456
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 4: you to hear from Kendrick Bourne and and of course

2457
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:05,760
Speaker 4: I mean even Tom. You know, Tom Current said it

2458
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 4: to him like, you know, you realize when you say

2459
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 4: this stuff that we're gonna take it, and you know,

2460
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 4: he didn't really seem to care. I don't want to

2461
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 4: like overstate it, but I do think that there is

2462
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 4: still elements of last year that are that are are

2463
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,600
Speaker 4: affecting this team right now. And I think that you know,

2464
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 4: you want to talk about tackle and receiver, all those things.

2465
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 4: Like if they don't get this stuff behind them and

2466
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 4: get on the same page for twenty twenty three, I

2467
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 4: think that might be the biggest issue of all of them.

2468
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 3: And I felt like that the first day of the

2469
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 3: first OTA when Mac talked and came right out and said,

2470
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 3: it's been good, it's been normal. Like I think that

2471
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 3: was a reference to what wasn't normal last year. Yep, Tell,

2472
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 3: and I just you know, it's a whole year later,

2473
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 3: it's time to And I don't think Bill's done a

2474
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 3: great job of putting in the past either. I don't

2475
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:47,800
Speaker 3: mean to put this all on Mac. I think Bill

2476
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,799
Speaker 3: hasn't done well great well, I mean certainly not from

2477
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:54,879
Speaker 3: you know, an optic standpoint, seemingly hasn't done a great job.

2478
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 4: Of putting that in the past.

2479
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 3: I agree, And moving on with Mac himself, he says

2480
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 3: it to us everybody, he has a clean slate, but

2481
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like it.

2482
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 6: From saying that Bill's value to him is to dissect

2483
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 6: the defense because he's really good at defense, and like

2484
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 6: that that is a shot right across the ego.

2485
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 4: And do you think that, I mean, we're talking about this.

2486
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 2: I think he was kind of, you know, just talking

2487
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:23,600
Speaker 2: and thinking that way. I don't I think if you

2488
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 2: asked himself, I didn't mean it that way, and I

2489
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 2: think he'd be honest. I think it came out that way,

2490
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 2: but I don't think he.

2491
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 4: Meant and I and I'm willing to give some wiggle

2492
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 4: room with him, but.

2493
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 2: The tonnage of everything, I mean, right now, his focus

2494
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,520
Speaker 2: is Bill O'Brien is my offense guy, and Bill Belichick

2495
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 2: is my head coach. And if I'm gonna think of

2496
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 2: him as you know, on field, it's defense. And I

2497
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 2: think that's what he was thinking, and he's probably right

2498
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, his daily interaction on offense is

2499
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien.

2500
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 4: You know, I just I think coming off and I

2501
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 4: think I've had come out of nowhere a couple of

2502
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 4: times with you guys in the office and just like,

2503
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 4: because watching that last week, what was that last year?

2504
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 2: Like?

2505
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 4: What were they doing? Like, because it's even more glaring

2506
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 4: to me now, was of like, you know, look now

2507
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 4: we're seeing Adrian Clown, Billy Yates, they're working with the

2508
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 4: offensive lineman. It looks normal. Remember last year when Matt

2509
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 4: Patricia would like coach. Then he'd run over to the

2510
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 4: offensive like it's just all these things now in.

2511
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 2: Retrospect, and what was Joe Judge doing?

2512
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 4: What the hell was going on? And it was and

2513
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 4: to the point of Paul that, well that was last year,

2514
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 4: like well, the season ended yesterday, like you know, like

2515
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I don't know if what has

2516
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 4: been said to the players, but it's just clean. It

2517
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like it's ever been put to bed really

2518
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 4: and optically, like I haven't seen evidence that it's been

2519
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 4: put to bed.

2520
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 2: Uh Kyle and Pembroke. Personally, I'm not too worried about

2521
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: Connor McDermott starting at right tackle. He was our best

2522
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 2: right tackle last season and played well at the end

2523
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 2: of the season. While I don't think he's a great tackle,

2524
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,719
Speaker 2: I do think he can hold his own. I'm predicting

2525
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 2: that they have him start the first couple of weeks

2526
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 2: while they the Metro Stitcher at tackle.

2527
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:04,439
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's fine. You had the whole off

2528
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 4: season to upgrade this guy, so you're okay with.

2529
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 6: I got it. Yours your version is better.

2530
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 2: Well, but based on the newation of his urban guy city,

2531
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 2: so Metro stitches.

2532
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 3: Well, he's uh means something different.

2533
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,520
Speaker 4: A litigious swine.

2534
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:25,679
Speaker 2: Metro means something different.

2535
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say litigious swine.

2536
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 2: Like litigious swine, litigious swine. But that's Sue.

2537
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 4: So no one, no one accidentally swears more in this

2538
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 4: show than Deuce.

2539
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 3: Unbelieve it messed.

2540
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 4: Up my pun.

2541
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 2: But no have we decided is it so? Is it

2542
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 2: city is?

2543
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 4: It's a good point that urban I thought it was Sue.

2544
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 6: So everybody's saying it's so.

2545
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:06,600
Speaker 4: Sue. Okay, soise hands if you're thinking so I.

2546
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 3: But the email brings us he could he could factor

2547
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 3: into and they continue to use him a lot at

2548
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 3: tackle in these spring camps. He could factor into the

2549
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 3: mix too. Let's not get lost with with Connor mcderbott

2550
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 3: was serviceable based on what they asked him to do

2551
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 3: last year coming off a team's practice squad. Again, I know,

2552
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 3: Isaiah Win is no longer a Patriot, so he wasn't

2553
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 3: better than Isaiah Win. Isaiah Win had a miserable year

2554
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 3: last year, and he still wasn't better than Isaiah Win.

2555
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:41,639
Speaker 3: I mean they just had a problem tackle last year.

2556
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 3: I mean call it what it is that I think

2557
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 3: given what he was asked to do the circumstances. I

2558
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 3: give him an a plus Connor McDermott for what he

2559
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,879
Speaker 3: was asked to do. It wasn't a disaster.

2560
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 4: He's still Connor, and it's still just if you have

2561
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 4: a like he's fine, like well in the off season,

2562
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 4: that's when you upgrade those guys.

2563
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 6: That's what the whole I just go back to that

2564
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 6: pre draft press conference with Macro and he stood up

2565
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 6: there and he's and he rattled off all the names

2566
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 6: that they had on the tackle depth chart like they

2567
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 6: were like, oh, worre set of tackle, like you know,

2568
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 6: we're fine there, And it's just that is gonna if anything,

2569
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 6: I really feel like that's gonna end up being this

2570
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 6: offense's Achilles heel, is the protection. And to just go

2571
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:25,639
Speaker 6: back to how they felt in April, it just I'm

2572
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 6: not saying I would have taken Broder Jones over Christian Ganzale,

2573
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 6: like I'm we're all happy with Christian Gonzalez, but they

2574
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 6: had there were other tackles available on Day two and

2575
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 6: early Day three that they let pass by that now

2576
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 6: it's just really looking like a mistake. If this is

2577
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:41,480
Speaker 6: how it's gonna.

2578
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 2: Go, Okay, Howie says it was a design mess in

2579
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 2: my opinion last year, and then he says Belichick needs

2580
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 2: one more draft and free agent to truly contend for

2581
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 2: the walk off Super Bowl? Wow?

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01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 4: Patrick, does that? Does that drafted include that like like

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Speaker 4: a bona fide top five quarterback?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because they're not. I mean, like, unless

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Speaker 3: something dramatically changes, they're not contending for Super Bowl as

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Speaker 3: is with this quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Oh come on.

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Speaker 6: So we do have we do have a pronunciation guide

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Speaker 6: from bart I'm assuming this is from college, and it

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Speaker 6: says that watches that it's city like, like Boston is

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Speaker 6: a city and it's so sao like cow.

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Speaker 3: So we were told that that's not how that city soo,

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Speaker 3: that's how.

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Speaker 8: That's how we got the pig in an urban it's

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01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 8: a cow in an urban setting, sau cow. But a

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Speaker 8: sow is a pig is a pig, so is a pig.

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Speaker 2: I grew up, believe me.

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Speaker 3: Different.

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Speaker 4: The cheerleaders there, I guy, some of those are my

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Speaker 4: good friends.

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Speaker 2: I used to work at the Compass Lounge and the Cape.

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01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 2: Remember Dennis, we used to have what they call whole

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01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:14,560
Speaker 2: hog night girls ring free. I'm sorry what they called

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01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 2: it whole hog night.

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Speaker 3: Oh I thought that meant something different.

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Speaker 2: Now, Oh no, that was your Chippendale's place. Oh thunder

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Speaker 2: down under all right, we've devolved, all right, hr all right.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next is Catch twenty two with Evan and

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Speaker 2: Alex Uh. They'll take you through everything they believe is

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Speaker 2: true and what is myth when it comes to what

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Speaker 2: they watched at the Combine I'm not the combine at

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Speaker 2: the mini camps. And then they'll talk about d hop

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a little bit, and perhaps some other nonsensical things.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, we will see you next Tuesday.

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