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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey everybody, it's me w Kmobel. Welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: three four four four of Who's with Me? The podcast

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Speaker 1: brought to you by my good friends at Rabbitt Grin Productions,

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Speaker 1: where I'm at right now and it's on the Pushkin Network.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Last week the episode was

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Speaker 1: Ted Danson where Ted Danson very thoroughly, by my judgment, sensitively, vulnerably,

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Speaker 1: and what I would say is honestly apologized for his

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Speaker 1: black face and inWORD laden. I didn't hear it performance

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Speaker 1: at the nineteen ninety three Friars Club roast of Whoopi Goldberg,

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Speaker 1: so we taped that, as I said last week, before

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Speaker 1: the Kevin Hart roast, So by the time it was airing,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that Evan Heart roast was still

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Speaker 1: be in the news, but I thought it might make

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Speaker 1: some headlines. And boy did it ever get some headlines.

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Speaker 1: Of the three podcasts we've done, it's the most talked

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Speaker 1: about the first when TMC has talked about. I've been

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Speaker 1: in touch with Ted since the podcast aired. He's very

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Speaker 1: happy with it. Apparently his daughter liked it. Apparently his publicist,

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Speaker 1: who's the same public he had back then, also liked it,

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Speaker 1: so mission accomplished everybody. Of course, some people didn't like it,

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Speaker 1: which people don't like things. But I am proud to

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Speaker 1: say I got my first heat from Meghan Kelly. Meghan

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Speaker 1: Kelly did not like seeing two adult men sensitively and

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Speaker 1: lovingly talk about a difficult issue, and she called me out.

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Speaker 1: Actually I don't know if she called me out, because

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Speaker 1: she called me Camma Bell. She said, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you about Camma Bell. So I responded to Meghan in

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Speaker 1: a video that I made at the Newark Airport when

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Speaker 1: I was flying back from the Tribeca Film Festival. People

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Speaker 1: and forth. She will never be a guest on the podcast, Meghan,

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Speaker 1: never be a guest. It's never gonna come to that.

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Speaker 1: But thanks for giving me something to do while I

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Speaker 1: was waiting for my flight back home from the New

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Speaker 1: Happy Pride month. Everybody. It is June. Last week it

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Speaker 1: was Pride month, but I got distracted by all the

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Speaker 1: make sure it's clear. Happy Pride Month. Last year in Oakland,

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Speaker 1: Oakland Pride Parade. So I'm all down with the LGBTQ plus.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot about how moving to the

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Speaker 1: to Martha Weinberg, shout out to Oakland Pride. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's also a good time to talk about

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Speaker 1: and transgender and the transgender community. A few years ago,

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Speaker 1: They've lived throughout history, They've always been here. This is

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. First of all, I want to

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Speaker 1: you know why, it's okay because sports is fake. Sports

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Speaker 1: And let'll be clear, if we want to ban people

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Speaker 1: my team. What I'm trying to say is I wish

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Speaker 1: actually not even because of Malcolm Gladwell. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: But it's because of a man named Justin Richmond. Justin

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Speaker 1: Kristin Kish is the host of Top Chef. She became

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Speaker 1: I first saw how's your coffee?

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Speaker 1: all do that some of that, Like are you sure

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00:19:29,984 --> 00:19:32,944
Speaker 1: about that? You know? Attle bit And and so I

427
00:19:32,984 --> 00:19:37,864
Speaker 1: got to see, like that's a skill, a hard fought

428
00:19:37,904 --> 00:19:42,144
Speaker 1: for skill, being a TV host, and you are like

429
00:19:42,504 --> 00:19:44,384
Speaker 1: great at it. And so I'm like and so I

430
00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:46,864
Speaker 1: sat there. I was like, oh, this top shift thing

431
00:19:46,944 --> 00:19:48,584
Speaker 1: is just gonna be like a little like. I was like,

432
00:19:48,744 --> 00:19:51,224
Speaker 1: there's something else happening. There's gonna be and that's why

433
00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:52,784
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna try to be this

434
00:19:52,904 --> 00:19:54,344
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna know I'm older than you. I'll

435
00:19:54,344 --> 00:19:56,024
Speaker 1: see if I can be Ed McMahon on whatever the

436
00:19:56,064 --> 00:19:59,344
Speaker 1: next thing is. You know Ed McMahon, Yeah, I have to.

437
00:20:00,184 --> 00:20:01,224
Speaker 2: I recognize the name.

438
00:20:01,304 --> 00:20:04,023
Speaker 1: I can't picture. I mean, I'm like the last generation

439
00:20:04,024 --> 00:20:06,424
Speaker 1: who would know Ed McMahon. I'm like, what did he host?

440
00:20:06,784 --> 00:20:09,664
Speaker 1: He was the guy? Well, okay, here's better. Maybe you

441
00:20:09,704 --> 00:20:12,464
Speaker 1: know this one Andy? Uh well, no, I can't even

442
00:20:12,464 --> 00:20:16,664
Speaker 1: think of his name. Andy. What's his name? Alex, Alex, Alex,

443
00:20:16,664 --> 00:20:20,264
Speaker 1: I'm looking to you. I don't know. And AND's got

444
00:20:20,464 --> 00:20:21,784
Speaker 1: Andy Richter Andy.

445
00:20:21,624 --> 00:20:24,304
Speaker 2: Richtor, Yes, I know. And he came on fast Foodies.

446
00:20:24,344 --> 00:20:27,344
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yes, that seems like a dis I

447
00:20:27,344 --> 00:20:28,744
Speaker 1: don't mean that as Andy Richtor.

448
00:20:28,944 --> 00:20:31,824
Speaker 2: He showed up for me, what about you?

449
00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:34,104
Speaker 1: I showed up. I was like, I'm gonna wait you.

450
00:20:34,904 --> 00:20:36,824
Speaker 1: I like this fast foodies thing. I feel like there's

451
00:20:36,824 --> 00:20:39,263
Speaker 1: a better So if I do fast foodies, then they

452
00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:41,224
Speaker 1: might not invite me to Top Chef, So none of

453
00:20:41,224 --> 00:20:44,064
Speaker 1: that happened. But Andy Richter is the is the more

454
00:20:44,384 --> 00:20:46,424
Speaker 1: just the guy the he sits on the couch while

455
00:20:46,464 --> 00:20:49,544
Speaker 1: Conan does a thing. Right. Ed McMahon and Andy Richter

456
00:20:49,544 --> 00:20:51,464
Speaker 1: did it because Ed McMahon did it for Johnny Carson

457
00:20:51,504 --> 00:20:54,384
Speaker 1: for like thirty years. Oh yeah, do you know who

458
00:20:54,424 --> 00:20:55,704
Speaker 1: Johnny Carson is? Yeah?

459
00:20:55,904 --> 00:20:57,304
Speaker 2: It is the original Tonight Show.

460
00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:59,384
Speaker 1: Very okay. Yes, I didn't mean this to be about

461
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Speaker 1: a generational device.

462
00:21:00,224 --> 00:21:02,864
Speaker 2: When you said Ed McMahon, I thought, press your luck.

463
00:21:02,864 --> 00:21:06,024
Speaker 2: Remember that show, yes with them? I thought that was

464
00:21:06,064 --> 00:21:08,024
Speaker 2: the guy hosting it. That's not him, that's not him.

465
00:21:08,184 --> 00:21:11,424
Speaker 1: I mean Ed McMahon his He did two things he

466
00:21:11,464 --> 00:21:13,664
Speaker 1: did that he's known for. He sat on the Tonight

467
00:21:13,744 --> 00:21:16,504
Speaker 1: Show on the couch with Carson and just sort of

468
00:21:16,544 --> 00:21:19,904
Speaker 1: like like that was a laugh. That was like Johnny

469
00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:23,384
Speaker 1: said anything. He was like, you did it again. He

470
00:21:23,424 --> 00:21:24,784
Speaker 1: was just there to like make Johnny feel like he

471
00:21:24,824 --> 00:21:26,904
Speaker 1: wasn't talking to anybody, got it. But it's a skill

472
00:21:27,224 --> 00:21:29,464
Speaker 1: to be that guy and also to be invisible when

473
00:21:29,464 --> 00:21:31,704
Speaker 1: the conversation doesn't need you. So if he's talking to

474
00:21:31,744 --> 00:21:33,584
Speaker 1: Burt Reynolds and Burt Reynolds is exploding. Do you know

475
00:21:33,664 --> 00:21:34,344
Speaker 1: Bert anyway?

476
00:21:34,464 --> 00:21:37,624
Speaker 2: Yes, I know he has a mustache. Yes, this was

477
00:21:38,784 --> 00:21:41,303
Speaker 2: he was in a Western.

478
00:21:41,184 --> 00:21:43,584
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was. I'm sure he was. I don't

479
00:21:43,624 --> 00:21:44,344
Speaker 1: know he had to do it.

480
00:21:44,424 --> 00:21:46,544
Speaker 2: I'm actually not that much younger.

481
00:21:46,864 --> 00:21:49,304
Speaker 1: I know there's but I think that there's times where

482
00:21:49,304 --> 00:21:52,464
Speaker 1: generations really do divide. And you're like, my wife's six

483
00:21:52,504 --> 00:21:54,624
Speaker 1: years younger than me, and she says she's gen X,

484
00:21:54,664 --> 00:21:58,824
Speaker 1: but she's at the very tail. I'm gen XI. Call

485
00:21:58,864 --> 00:21:59,424
Speaker 1: me a boomer.

486
00:22:00,024 --> 00:22:02,224
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I see it. That's what I'm saying.

487
00:22:02,224 --> 00:22:02,584
Speaker 1: I don't know.

488
00:22:02,624 --> 00:22:04,144
Speaker 2: We jumped from gen X to boomer.

489
00:22:05,304 --> 00:22:08,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had. There's like there's like a half but yes,

490
00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:11,144
Speaker 1: boomers and then gen X, and then there's this. You

491
00:22:11,184 --> 00:22:14,184
Speaker 1: know this, So you're probably I'm an older millennia, an

492
00:22:14,224 --> 00:22:14,984
Speaker 1: elder millennial.

493
00:22:15,024 --> 00:22:16,624
Speaker 2: I have a nineteen eighty three millennial.

494
00:22:16,824 --> 00:22:20,144
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, my wife is nineteen seventy anyway, she's my

495
00:22:20,224 --> 00:22:24,424
Speaker 1: wife is very young, No, but not inappropriately so, uh no,

496
00:22:24,504 --> 00:22:27,384
Speaker 1: she's nineteen seventy nine, I'll say that. So she's she's

497
00:22:27,464 --> 00:22:29,224
Speaker 1: claimed she's like the last year of gen X, and

498
00:22:29,224 --> 00:22:31,424
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you're an elder Bok because even with

499
00:22:31,464 --> 00:22:34,024
Speaker 1: that like six years or so, there's just things where

500
00:22:34,024 --> 00:22:36,264
Speaker 1: it's like I was like, when the Spice Girls came out,

501
00:22:36,584 --> 00:22:39,624
Speaker 1: you thought they were cool. I was like, what is this?

502
00:22:39,864 --> 00:22:42,704
Speaker 2: But do you see the generational divide the most in

503
00:22:42,784 --> 00:22:43,464
Speaker 2: pop culture?

504
00:22:43,704 --> 00:22:43,784
Speaker 1: Like?

505
00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:45,984
Speaker 2: Is that the place where it always typically shows up?

506
00:22:45,984 --> 00:22:48,784
Speaker 1: Because it's about when you heard that song and what

507
00:22:49,104 --> 00:22:52,064
Speaker 1: Like I'm the exact age of all those Seattle bands,

508
00:22:52,064 --> 00:22:53,544
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So like are a little

509
00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:56,464
Speaker 1: bit younger, yeah, so that that grunge movement. I was like,

510
00:22:57,064 --> 00:22:59,064
Speaker 1: I'm the exact age of hip hop. Like I'm fifty three.

511
00:22:59,144 --> 00:23:01,384
Speaker 1: Hip hop started nineteen seventy three, so all of hip

512
00:23:01,384 --> 00:23:03,184
Speaker 1: hop has sort of happened in my lifetime and I

513
00:23:03,224 --> 00:23:04,664
Speaker 1: saw it all happen, you know what I mean.

514
00:23:04,904 --> 00:23:07,744
Speaker 2: But after pop culture now, I'm just like interested, after

515
00:23:07,824 --> 00:23:11,624
Speaker 2: pop culture, where do we see the generational the the most?

516
00:23:11,784 --> 00:23:16,664
Speaker 2: Is it style? Is it clothing? Is it how we like?

517
00:23:16,704 --> 00:23:16,744
Speaker 1: What?

518
00:23:16,984 --> 00:23:17,543
Speaker 2: What is it?

519
00:23:17,944 --> 00:23:20,224
Speaker 1: That's a good quest. I would say that, like some

520
00:23:20,304 --> 00:23:22,424
Speaker 1: of this is shifting because the Internet is flattening us

521
00:23:22,424 --> 00:23:24,704
Speaker 1: out a lot. So I would say that language and

522
00:23:24,744 --> 00:23:27,424
Speaker 1: style have to be pretty close, right, that those are

523
00:23:27,424 --> 00:23:29,304
Speaker 1: ways in which like you see, like if you see

524
00:23:30,344 --> 00:23:32,144
Speaker 1: you know, like there you know, I mean you I'm

525
00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:34,024
Speaker 1: sure you remember this when everybody with the flannel shirt

526
00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,023
Speaker 1: era is like the grunge era, you know, like when

527
00:23:36,464 --> 00:23:38,104
Speaker 1: what the what flannel shirts?

528
00:23:38,104 --> 00:23:40,544
Speaker 2: When people are well flannel shirts. I thought you said

529
00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:43,024
Speaker 2: flight on like a flight like I was like thinking.

530
00:23:42,824 --> 00:23:43,904
Speaker 1: Of an airplane or whatever.

531
00:23:43,984 --> 00:23:45,824
Speaker 2: It made no sense to me flannel shirts.

532
00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:48,424
Speaker 1: Flannel shirts is described to and I've seen them come

533
00:23:48,464 --> 00:23:50,864
Speaker 1: back in my lifetime, right, but they're always a marker

534
00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:53,344
Speaker 1: for me of like that's that era, that the early

535
00:23:53,424 --> 00:23:54,664
Speaker 1: nineties era, you know.

536
00:23:54,624 --> 00:23:57,224
Speaker 2: But then you can separate that all out even within

537
00:23:57,264 --> 00:24:00,784
Speaker 2: the bucket of style, then we're talking what region of

538
00:24:00,824 --> 00:24:01,864
Speaker 2: the country did you grow up at?

539
00:24:01,864 --> 00:24:03,224
Speaker 1: Well? See, that's the thing. I think the Internet is

540
00:24:03,264 --> 00:24:05,744
Speaker 1: flattening because it used to be like as a kid,

541
00:24:05,864 --> 00:24:07,584
Speaker 1: like as a younger, like my dad is a Mobile

542
00:24:07,624 --> 00:24:10,544
Speaker 1: Alabama and I would go to Mobile, Alabama and see

543
00:24:10,544 --> 00:24:14,384
Speaker 1: people dressing there where they dressed in Chicago like five

544
00:24:14,464 --> 00:24:17,824
Speaker 1: years earlier, right, because it just took a while. How

545
00:24:17,864 --> 00:24:19,304
Speaker 1: you guys are doing those pants now?

546
00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:21,984
Speaker 2: You're right? And the Internet is flattening it out because

547
00:24:22,024 --> 00:24:24,504
Speaker 2: everyone just is so instant and seeing it, and then

548
00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:25,624
Speaker 2: everyone jumps on this.

549
00:24:25,544 --> 00:24:28,744
Speaker 1: Because specific slang. Like when I moved to the Bay

550
00:24:28,824 --> 00:24:33,064
Speaker 1: Area and heard people saying hella seriously, I was like,

551
00:24:33,104 --> 00:24:38,584
Speaker 1: you guys do that? Well, now it's everywhere because bro, yeah, Bro, are.

552
00:24:38,504 --> 00:24:39,504
Speaker 2: Your kids calling you bro?

553
00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:41,904
Speaker 1: Bruh? Br bruh.

554
00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:44,024
Speaker 2: It's even a little.

555
00:24:44,224 --> 00:24:45,824
Speaker 1: Elder millennial bruh.

556
00:24:46,024 --> 00:24:47,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the fuck you through.

557
00:24:47,864 --> 00:24:50,424
Speaker 1: My eleven year old likes to call me bro or bro.

558
00:24:50,584 --> 00:24:51,704
Speaker 1: She likes, hey, Bro.

559
00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:55,864
Speaker 2: Do you know what I've heard recently that people like

560
00:24:55,944 --> 00:24:59,584
Speaker 2: I've heard it in public where a clear like clearly

561
00:24:59,584 --> 00:25:04,464
Speaker 2: they're a couple, and I'm talking purely heterosexual couples where

562
00:25:05,544 --> 00:25:12,384
Speaker 2: the guy calls his partner bro, Oh yeah, bro, you

563
00:25:12,424 --> 00:25:15,224
Speaker 2: got it tastes you're are you calling her?

564
00:25:16,664 --> 00:25:16,984
Speaker 1: Are you?

565
00:25:17,384 --> 00:25:19,744
Speaker 2: And she's okay with us? Like what is happening? Are

566
00:25:19,784 --> 00:25:22,464
Speaker 2: we not actually present and conscious with the choice of

567
00:25:22,544 --> 00:25:24,784
Speaker 2: words and that we're just throwing out.

568
00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:29,104
Speaker 1: Rough I mean, so very early in my in my

569
00:25:29,184 --> 00:25:31,864
Speaker 1: wife and I courtship before we were married, but we've

570
00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,824
Speaker 1: been dating for a while. Something happened and she's like, dude.

571
00:25:34,864 --> 00:25:38,464
Speaker 1: I was like, don't call me dude. Like I just

572
00:25:38,464 --> 00:25:40,704
Speaker 1: felt so like ew like, and it's become like a

573
00:25:40,744 --> 00:25:43,064
Speaker 1: recurring catch fort because I said, don't call me dude,

574
00:25:43,104 --> 00:25:46,784
Speaker 1: like you don't know me dude. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah.

575
00:25:47,224 --> 00:25:51,464
Speaker 2: I think all of those words have come well, a

576
00:25:51,504 --> 00:25:53,544
Speaker 2: lot of the words that we choose to use that

577
00:25:53,664 --> 00:25:56,424
Speaker 2: like used to be the ums or the like, these

578
00:25:56,464 --> 00:26:01,784
Speaker 2: like filler words have been kind of taken place with

579
00:26:01,904 --> 00:26:06,264
Speaker 2: dude bra instead of just sitting with a moment of silence, yeah,

580
00:26:06,304 --> 00:26:07,104
Speaker 2: while you gather your.

581
00:26:07,104 --> 00:26:08,664
Speaker 1: Next thought, we don't do that.

582
00:26:08,864 --> 00:26:11,864
Speaker 2: We don't do that. I mean we do that. You

583
00:26:11,864 --> 00:26:14,384
Speaker 2: know a lot of people out there the other learn.

584
00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:18,464
Speaker 1: That them them, them, don't do that. Them don't do that.

585
00:26:18,624 --> 00:26:22,144
Speaker 1: The name of this episode, uh, when we really went

586
00:26:22,184 --> 00:26:22,584
Speaker 1: far field.

587
00:26:22,984 --> 00:26:24,104
Speaker 2: I kind of liked it, though, I mean.

588
00:26:24,024 --> 00:26:26,944
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it because that's the thing this podcast has

589
00:26:26,944 --> 00:26:28,384
Speaker 1: set for me to talk to people who I like

590
00:26:28,424 --> 00:26:30,904
Speaker 1: and admire. But I wouldn't like, I don't know that

591
00:26:30,904 --> 00:26:31,784
Speaker 1: I could just call you and go.

592
00:26:31,784 --> 00:26:34,344
Speaker 2: Let's just why couldn't you just call me? I mean,

593
00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:35,504
Speaker 2: you have my number.

594
00:26:35,304 --> 00:26:37,504
Speaker 1: Right, I do, I do, I do, But you know,

595
00:26:37,544 --> 00:26:39,384
Speaker 1: you famous people, you're all.

596
00:26:39,704 --> 00:26:42,944
Speaker 2: Please okay, if I'm going to use your age right now,

597
00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:46,544
Speaker 2: in my benefit, you've been far more famous in a

598
00:26:46,624 --> 00:26:48,144
Speaker 2: bigger way than I ever have.

599
00:26:48,744 --> 00:26:50,264
Speaker 1: Are you confusing me with questlove?

600
00:26:50,424 --> 00:26:50,984
Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

601
00:26:52,664 --> 00:26:54,904
Speaker 1: Like my Here's okay.

602
00:26:55,064 --> 00:26:58,064
Speaker 2: I've seen you on television before you saw me on television.

603
00:26:58,184 --> 00:26:59,464
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't count.

604
00:27:00,424 --> 00:27:01,384
Speaker 2: How does that not count?

605
00:27:02,064 --> 00:27:05,024
Speaker 1: I was probably on television before Kennic Lamar was on television,

606
00:27:05,104 --> 00:27:08,544
Speaker 1: and yet there's a there. The time you are on

607
00:27:08,584 --> 00:27:10,944
Speaker 1: TV does not equate to the you know, I know it.

608
00:27:10,864 --> 00:27:14,944
Speaker 2: Does, but like the way you like, just just don't

609
00:27:15,024 --> 00:27:17,944
Speaker 2: argue with me right now? You have what ten years

610
00:27:17,944 --> 00:27:18,184
Speaker 2: on me?

611
00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:21,224
Speaker 1: Ten years? I own my age ten years?

612
00:27:21,304 --> 00:27:23,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, ten years on me, and you got ten years

613
00:27:23,824 --> 00:27:27,904
Speaker 2: of full ass, full blown career I did.

614
00:27:27,984 --> 00:27:29,144
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done some things.

615
00:27:29,224 --> 00:27:30,744
Speaker 2: I'm a little baby you are.

616
00:27:30,824 --> 00:27:32,344
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's so exciting. That's why I'm

617
00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:34,744
Speaker 1: trying to sell myself as the Ed McMahon because I'm

618
00:27:34,784 --> 00:27:36,584
Speaker 1: tired of working hard. I just want to be next

619
00:27:36,584 --> 00:27:38,624
Speaker 1: to you on the couch and be like Cotailah, I'm

620
00:27:38,664 --> 00:27:40,584
Speaker 1: ready for some coketails, got you. I just want to

621
00:27:40,624 --> 00:27:44,144
Speaker 1: be like she did it again, She did it again?

622
00:27:44,584 --> 00:27:49,544
Speaker 1: How did you do it? And nobody knows. So back

623
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:52,264
Speaker 1: to the original point, why are you so good on TV?

624
00:27:53,424 --> 00:27:56,224
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, whoa, all right.

625
00:27:56,584 --> 00:27:58,584
Speaker 1: This is your time to teach the master class. You know.

626
00:27:58,744 --> 00:28:01,904
Speaker 2: I think it's because of the projects that I've I've

627
00:28:02,024 --> 00:28:06,424
Speaker 2: chosen are projects in which I can be me where

628
00:28:06,584 --> 00:28:09,144
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have to be a television

629
00:28:09,144 --> 00:28:11,744
Speaker 2: host or be a certain version, can be all the

630
00:28:11,784 --> 00:28:14,864
Speaker 2: different versions, and if it ends up on the cutting

631
00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:18,224
Speaker 2: room floor, that's fine, but like throughout the process because

632
00:28:18,224 --> 00:28:21,824
Speaker 2: as you know, for fifty minutes of television you're filming,

633
00:28:22,624 --> 00:28:26,024
Speaker 2: dont forty eight hours? Yeah, And so for those forty

634
00:28:26,064 --> 00:28:28,504
Speaker 2: eight hours, if I'm just allowed to be and flow

635
00:28:28,544 --> 00:28:32,304
Speaker 2: and do whatever it is that I do, that makes

636
00:28:32,464 --> 00:28:34,144
Speaker 2: that makes my job a lot easier. I don't have

637
00:28:34,184 --> 00:28:34,744
Speaker 2: to think about it.

638
00:28:34,824 --> 00:28:36,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, some of the worst advice somebody

639
00:28:36,744 --> 00:28:38,664
Speaker 1: can give you is just be yourself.

640
00:28:38,704 --> 00:28:40,624
Speaker 2: Right, depends on who you tell you. Gotta be careful.

641
00:28:42,944 --> 00:28:45,864
Speaker 1: Is this me or is this me? Am I doing it? Yet?

642
00:28:45,984 --> 00:28:49,104
Speaker 2: I think I've gotten really comfortable with being okay, making

643
00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:51,544
Speaker 2: all the mistakes and like saying the wrong thing and

644
00:28:51,944 --> 00:28:53,944
Speaker 2: needing to say it five extra times.

645
00:28:54,024 --> 00:28:56,464
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So I'm gonna push back a little bit,

646
00:28:56,544 --> 00:28:59,344
Speaker 1: because first of all, there is a thing about you

647
00:28:59,344 --> 00:29:01,144
Speaker 1: have to get used to saying things five times when

648
00:29:01,144 --> 00:29:03,424
Speaker 1: you're recording television. So here ego has to be sort

649
00:29:03,424 --> 00:29:04,744
Speaker 1: of in a place where you're like, Okay, I say

650
00:29:04,744 --> 00:29:07,344
Speaker 1: it. It doesn't matter even though these people heard it already,

651
00:29:07,744 --> 00:29:10,184
Speaker 1: even though for me sometimes it's like, but it was

652
00:29:10,224 --> 00:29:11,704
Speaker 1: a joke the first time if I say it the

653
00:29:11,944 --> 00:29:13,864
Speaker 1: right But you have to get over that. But the

654
00:29:13,944 --> 00:29:18,664
Speaker 1: other thing on top of that is being able to

655
00:29:18,944 --> 00:29:22,384
Speaker 1: be yourself and it's actually the appropriate version of yourself.

656
00:29:23,344 --> 00:29:25,144
Speaker 1: You know that's I mean, like, how did you figure out?

657
00:29:25,384 --> 00:29:27,344
Speaker 1: Like when I stood next to you, I was like nobody.

658
00:29:27,384 --> 00:29:29,144
Speaker 1: If I had never heard of you before, i'd been like,

659
00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:30,984
Speaker 1: oh this this is a child actor who grew up

660
00:29:30,984 --> 00:29:33,304
Speaker 1: in the show business and has been doing this. She

661
00:29:33,384 --> 00:29:34,464
Speaker 1: started out with Kurt Russell.

662
00:29:34,624 --> 00:29:36,064
Speaker 2: You know, I know who that is.

663
00:29:36,184 --> 00:29:38,464
Speaker 1: You get Goot Good. I'm married to Goldie on Yes

664
00:29:38,504 --> 00:29:41,784
Speaker 1: Good like this game going. But so you know, no

665
00:29:41,904 --> 00:29:43,824
Speaker 1: other podcast has worked out like this would things so

666
00:29:43,864 --> 00:29:46,344
Speaker 1: that we're doing a special thing here. But like I

667
00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:49,184
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known that you were like a contestant turned host,

668
00:29:49,264 --> 00:29:51,864
Speaker 1: you know, like there was nothing because you know, and also,

669
00:29:52,184 --> 00:29:53,424
Speaker 1: and we can talk about this as much as you

670
00:29:53,424 --> 00:29:55,064
Speaker 1: want to, but like you stepped in the shoes with

671
00:29:55,104 --> 00:29:57,984
Speaker 1: somebody who had had that job for her long time

672
00:29:58,024 --> 00:29:59,864
Speaker 1: and did have a lot of experience, a lot of reps,

673
00:30:00,104 --> 00:30:03,544
Speaker 1: So it would have been understandable if you'd been like, no,

674
00:30:04,624 --> 00:30:07,064
Speaker 1: I mean bos Boygan before.

675
00:30:06,704 --> 00:30:09,424
Speaker 2: The camera starts rolling. And internally that is how I felt.

676
00:30:10,504 --> 00:30:13,384
Speaker 2: There was a I did a lot of therapy prior

677
00:30:13,424 --> 00:30:15,984
Speaker 2: to taking the role for Top Chef, whereas some of

678
00:30:15,984 --> 00:30:18,304
Speaker 2: my other past television jobs, I just kind of like

679
00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:21,584
Speaker 2: hunkered in and I like worked past my fears and

680
00:30:21,624 --> 00:30:23,784
Speaker 2: all the anxiety that was happening in the self doubt.

681
00:30:24,104 --> 00:30:25,544
Speaker 2: Top Chef, I was like, no, no, no, We're going to

682
00:30:25,584 --> 00:30:26,384
Speaker 2: start this one.

683
00:30:27,184 --> 00:30:29,424
Speaker 1: In different So you say Fast Foodies did not send

684
00:30:29,464 --> 00:30:30,424
Speaker 1: you to therapy.

685
00:30:31,744 --> 00:30:33,344
Speaker 2: Well maybe for a couple of things.

686
00:30:33,104 --> 00:30:36,664
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, I wasn't even saying. But like, I

687
00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:38,424
Speaker 1: do think there's a difference between like I'm going to

688
00:30:38,464 --> 00:30:40,904
Speaker 1: have a job on some show that everyone's business has

689
00:30:40,944 --> 00:30:43,144
Speaker 1: existed before and there's pressure, of course, and you got

690
00:30:43,184 --> 00:30:45,504
Speaker 1: to figure out things, versus I'm going to take over

691
00:30:45,584 --> 00:30:48,304
Speaker 1: a role from like someone like Padma who you know, right,

692
00:30:48,504 --> 00:30:50,704
Speaker 1: and the audience is like, even though they know you,

693
00:30:50,744 --> 00:30:52,064
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like, yeah, I'm.

694
00:30:51,944 --> 00:30:53,784
Speaker 2: Sure, Oh oh my god. There was so much doubt.

695
00:30:53,904 --> 00:30:56,024
Speaker 2: There was like can she do it? And they're comparing

696
00:30:56,784 --> 00:31:02,144
Speaker 2: the person that Podma was after nineteen seasons, twenty seasons

697
00:31:02,144 --> 00:31:07,344
Speaker 2: whatever to me being ten years before that the contestant.

698
00:31:07,664 --> 00:31:11,424
Speaker 2: So they're taking two versions her and then my version

699
00:31:11,544 --> 00:31:13,584
Speaker 2: a decade ago, being like can she do that?

700
00:31:13,624 --> 00:31:14,984
Speaker 1: I'm like that version do this?

701
00:31:15,184 --> 00:31:15,304
Speaker 2: Yea.

702
00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:17,064
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I'm actually over here now.

703
00:31:16,944 --> 00:31:20,584
Speaker 2: Well I'm already I'm already a different version. But also again,

704
00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:22,624
Speaker 2: my job is not to be her or to be

705
00:31:22,704 --> 00:31:25,864
Speaker 2: anybody else. And so because I have a unique perspective

706
00:31:25,904 --> 00:31:29,224
Speaker 2: of I mean just from the culinary standpoint, the working

707
00:31:29,224 --> 00:31:32,424
Speaker 2: in the industry, a different relationship I think with chefs

708
00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:34,944
Speaker 2: in general, on or off camera, and then having been

709
00:31:34,984 --> 00:31:38,944
Speaker 2: a contestant, then we're talking about a whole different skill set.

710
00:31:39,104 --> 00:31:39,464
Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
00:31:39,544 --> 00:31:41,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I never had to be what she was.

712
00:32:00,344 --> 00:32:02,384
Speaker 1: But I am so I am very fascinating. I think

713
00:32:02,384 --> 00:32:04,344
Speaker 1: that's true. But you have to also be okay knowing that,

714
00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:06,544
Speaker 1: like some aspects of people are going to be like

715
00:32:06,664 --> 00:32:08,344
Speaker 1: she's not her and you're like, yeah, I'm not her.

716
00:32:08,584 --> 00:32:11,544
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I heard it probably the most for

717
00:32:11,584 --> 00:32:14,544
Speaker 2: the first half of the season of my very first

718
00:32:14,944 --> 00:32:19,104
Speaker 2: posting season, but that you know, it kind of went

719
00:32:19,144 --> 00:32:23,064
Speaker 2: away or I just you know, I just restricted and

720
00:32:23,144 --> 00:32:27,304
Speaker 2: muted the right people, but I got I think people

721
00:32:27,424 --> 00:32:29,224
Speaker 2: then just got a little bit more used to me

722
00:32:29,464 --> 00:32:31,424
Speaker 2: and how I come into that.

723
00:32:31,424 --> 00:32:33,064
Speaker 1: Role, and I think you are. It's like they didn't

724
00:32:33,064 --> 00:32:34,944
Speaker 1: reach from somebody outside a top chef, because there was

725
00:32:34,944 --> 00:32:37,384
Speaker 1: of course like who's it going to be, like, you know,

726
00:32:37,904 --> 00:32:40,064
Speaker 1: uh so, and they didn't go to somebody where it

727
00:32:40,104 --> 00:32:42,224
Speaker 1: feels like they were looking for like clicks, you know

728
00:32:42,264 --> 00:32:45,064
Speaker 1: what I mean. It wasn't like we got a twelve

729
00:32:45,144 --> 00:32:47,384
Speaker 1: year old TikToker. It's a food channel, you know.

730
00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:48,784
Speaker 2: I mean, they could have gotten you.

731
00:32:48,824 --> 00:32:52,184
Speaker 1: But you know, believe me, I threw my name out there.

732
00:32:52,544 --> 00:32:54,584
Speaker 1: I like to throw my name out there, not officially

733
00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:58,944
Speaker 1: just on Instagram. Hey guys, I'm free, I'm always down.

734
00:32:59,424 --> 00:33:03,024
Speaker 1: So but yeah, the fact that you that you that

735
00:33:03,184 --> 00:33:05,504
Speaker 1: it was from in house, right, and you had you'd

736
00:33:05,544 --> 00:33:07,304
Speaker 1: been doing other TV things. So those of us who

737
00:33:07,384 --> 00:33:09,064
Speaker 1: knew were like, oh, yeah, she's been out there but

738
00:33:09,104 --> 00:33:10,624
Speaker 1: then just the fact that you step in there and

739
00:33:10,624 --> 00:33:12,544
Speaker 1: you just sort of, like I said, I want people

740
00:33:12,544 --> 00:33:14,264
Speaker 1: who are watching this who don't know about TV production

741
00:33:14,384 --> 00:33:17,784
Speaker 1: understand it is like standing in that when you see

742
00:33:17,784 --> 00:33:20,624
Speaker 1: this like that shot about like it's like me, you

743
00:33:20,664 --> 00:33:21,744
Speaker 1: at the quick Fire.

744
00:33:21,624 --> 00:33:25,264
Speaker 2: With Toy Yes, chef in Madison.

745
00:33:24,944 --> 00:33:26,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me eat it his restaurant. It's one of

746
00:33:26,864 --> 00:33:28,424
Speaker 1: the best meals of my life. And it was also

747
00:33:28,624 --> 00:33:30,824
Speaker 1: all these couples are having anniversary dinners and I'm just

748
00:33:30,864 --> 00:33:34,424
Speaker 1: sitting by myself having a nineteen course fine nighting with

749
00:33:34,464 --> 00:33:36,944
Speaker 1: all the wine carriers. You know, uh he was, he

750
00:33:37,024 --> 00:33:39,944
Speaker 1: was great. So but like, well, we're standing there and

751
00:33:39,944 --> 00:33:42,464
Speaker 1: that the three of us, they're like there's cameras on

752
00:33:42,624 --> 00:33:44,864
Speaker 1: jibs and things and da dah da da da da,

753
00:33:44,904 --> 00:33:46,384
Speaker 1: And you just got to be like, yep, I'm just

754
00:33:46,464 --> 00:33:47,984
Speaker 1: and you're we're just that we got to the stair

755
00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:50,624
Speaker 1: into the middle distance and that can throw people off.

756
00:33:50,744 --> 00:33:53,504
Speaker 1: And like I said, you because I guess when I

757
00:33:53,504 --> 00:33:55,064
Speaker 1: was thereking about halfway through the season or so.

758
00:33:55,704 --> 00:33:57,304
Speaker 2: Well, do you do realize, you know, like in the

759
00:33:57,304 --> 00:34:00,984
Speaker 2: moments when you're walking outside of television. So hopefully everybody

760
00:34:00,984 --> 00:34:04,224
Speaker 2: can relate to this feeling is that when you're you know,

761
00:34:05,064 --> 00:34:07,464
Speaker 2: walking down the street, or you start to like hyper

762
00:34:07,504 --> 00:34:09,944
Speaker 2: focus on a movement, and all of a sudden you

763
00:34:10,024 --> 00:34:12,263
Speaker 2: forget how to walk or get how to swallow. When

764
00:34:12,304 --> 00:34:14,504
Speaker 2: you're like having soup, You're like, hold on, how do

765
00:34:14,584 --> 00:34:14,904
Speaker 2: I do that?

766
00:34:15,183 --> 00:34:16,344
Speaker 1: Let me start research.

767
00:34:17,344 --> 00:34:20,343
Speaker 2: But like it's the it's kind of the same thing

768
00:34:20,384 --> 00:34:23,104
Speaker 2: that you have to forget about when you hyper focus

769
00:34:23,143 --> 00:34:25,943
Speaker 2: on walking. When you stand in front of that TV

770
00:34:25,984 --> 00:34:28,064
Speaker 2: and you can feel all that going and you feel

771
00:34:28,064 --> 00:34:30,503
Speaker 2: the countdown at five, four, three, two one, you kind

772
00:34:30,504 --> 00:34:32,943
Speaker 2: of have to forget that you're actually doing the TV thing,

773
00:34:33,344 --> 00:34:35,303
Speaker 2: because if you start to hyper focus on it, that's

774
00:34:35,344 --> 00:34:37,104
Speaker 2: when like you start to freak yourself out.

775
00:34:37,223 --> 00:34:39,424
Speaker 1: These lights, right, Yeah.

776
00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:41,383
Speaker 2: You just gotta let you got. The way that I

777
00:34:41,464 --> 00:34:48,384
Speaker 2: always have enjoyed operating through Top Chef is reminding myself

778
00:34:48,424 --> 00:34:51,824
Speaker 2: that I am very much having an experience as well

779
00:34:51,944 --> 00:34:53,463
Speaker 2: for the very first time of my life.

780
00:34:53,623 --> 00:34:53,823
Speaker 1: Yeah.

781
00:34:54,024 --> 00:34:56,704
Speaker 2: So I get to I get to eat these seven

782
00:34:56,783 --> 00:34:59,823
Speaker 2: chefs food. Oh my gosh, how amazing is this. I

783
00:34:59,864 --> 00:35:02,024
Speaker 2: get to stand next to Camal, I get to have

784
00:35:02,104 --> 00:35:04,903
Speaker 2: this moment we're on a rooftop and Madison Wisconsin. Who

785
00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:06,223
Speaker 2: knows when this is ever going to happen.

786
00:35:07,504 --> 00:35:10,104
Speaker 1: Rooftop at the farmer's market, cimbed up to the top

787
00:35:10,104 --> 00:35:12,423
Speaker 1: of the thing, like see from a fun Yeah. Yeah,

788
00:35:12,424 --> 00:35:14,064
Speaker 1: I felt I felt more famous that day than I

789
00:35:14,104 --> 00:35:16,064
Speaker 1: normally because people actually looking at you.

790
00:35:16,064 --> 00:35:18,263
Speaker 2: No, they were looking at you. How many times do

791
00:35:18,303 --> 00:35:20,863
Speaker 2: you look back on your life and you're like, damn,

792
00:35:20,904 --> 00:35:24,144
Speaker 2: I wish I enjoyed that more. Oh, I wish I didn't.

793
00:35:24,384 --> 00:35:25,544
Speaker 2: I wish I could do it again.

794
00:35:25,703 --> 00:35:27,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that part of it. I do

795
00:35:27,783 --> 00:35:29,984
Speaker 1: sort of go like I have a like this is

796
00:35:30,064 --> 00:35:32,584
Speaker 1: crazy as a way to settle myself down, like just

797
00:35:32,584 --> 00:35:35,623
Speaker 1: to remind myself, this is ridiculous, all right, now let's

798
00:35:35,623 --> 00:35:37,143
Speaker 1: do it, you know, like so so it sort of

799
00:35:37,183 --> 00:35:38,623
Speaker 1: takes you out of the like I gotta do good

800
00:35:38,623 --> 00:35:40,743
Speaker 1: at it, just like this is and to sort of

801
00:35:41,024 --> 00:35:42,783
Speaker 1: enjoy the moment. So I did wave with the people

802
00:35:42,783 --> 00:35:44,943
Speaker 1: across because I'm like, this is the fact that they're

803
00:35:44,944 --> 00:35:46,584
Speaker 1: over there. I want them to see that I see them,

804
00:35:46,663 --> 00:35:48,703
Speaker 1: and you know, I sort of I do like to

805
00:35:49,663 --> 00:35:51,743
Speaker 1: have fun in those moments. I think maybe comes being

806
00:35:51,743 --> 00:35:54,024
Speaker 1: a comedian to remind myself that this is also like

807
00:35:54,864 --> 00:35:57,104
Speaker 1: we were all kids in our bedroom sort of like

808
00:35:57,183 --> 00:35:59,904
Speaker 1: imagining what we would do and look at how somehow

809
00:36:00,064 --> 00:36:06,223
Speaker 1: here eating eighteen sauce dishes different with different sauces from

810
00:36:06,223 --> 00:36:06,743
Speaker 1: another era.

811
00:36:07,024 --> 00:36:09,544
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember, I remember the winning dish.

812
00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:12,144
Speaker 2: I don't remember all the dishes, but like, if something

813
00:36:12,183 --> 00:36:16,024
Speaker 2: places me very like, I mean, obviously here we are talking,

814
00:36:16,024 --> 00:36:19,343
Speaker 2: so I'm brought back to that very moment. It was

815
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:23,104
Speaker 2: a potato, really simple potato with a creole sauce and

816
00:36:23,183 --> 00:36:25,504
Speaker 2: a goat cheese something and really it shouldn't have all

817
00:36:25,544 --> 00:36:28,904
Speaker 2: gone together. But Charlie, he's a chef in New Orleans.

818
00:36:28,984 --> 00:36:31,303
Speaker 2: He made that dish, and I was like, hold on,

819
00:36:31,663 --> 00:36:34,864
Speaker 2: something's working. Something happened where like I didn't have to

820
00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:36,663
Speaker 2: think about what I was eating. It just tastes good.

821
00:36:36,904 --> 00:36:38,984
Speaker 1: That's I get that part of Top Chef now, that

822
00:36:39,104 --> 00:36:41,303
Speaker 1: like if you put it in your mouth and you're like, OK,

823
00:36:41,464 --> 00:36:43,263
Speaker 1: are you sort of thinking about it? It's probably not

824
00:36:43,303 --> 00:36:45,383
Speaker 1: working right? Great? Where if you just go, oh can

825
00:36:45,424 --> 00:36:48,183
Speaker 1: I get a bucket of that? Yeah, it's like, so

826
00:36:49,064 --> 00:36:50,544
Speaker 1: this is the part we talking about. So when I so,

827
00:36:50,584 --> 00:36:52,663
Speaker 1: I got the offer and I and I remember I

828
00:36:52,663 --> 00:36:54,343
Speaker 1: got the offer and it was like they want you

829
00:36:54,384 --> 00:36:57,143
Speaker 1: to come yay, and they're like, just for the quick fire.

830
00:36:57,183 --> 00:37:01,143
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, all right, so let me explain

831
00:37:01,183 --> 00:37:03,383
Speaker 1: to you that when I showed up, it was my

832
00:37:03,504 --> 00:37:07,263
Speaker 1: intention to get asked to stay. I showed up like

833
00:37:07,344 --> 00:37:09,504
Speaker 1: I'm going to be so easy to work with. I'm

834
00:37:09,504 --> 00:37:11,943
Speaker 1: going to provide so much value. I'm going to shut

835
00:37:11,984 --> 00:37:13,904
Speaker 1: up when it's time to shut up. I'm going to

836
00:37:13,904 --> 00:37:16,064
Speaker 1: be a professional. I'm going to say the line three

837
00:37:16,064 --> 00:37:18,223
Speaker 1: times an E me too. But my plan is that

838
00:37:18,303 --> 00:37:20,744
Speaker 1: I do so well that they asked me to stay

839
00:37:20,824 --> 00:37:22,984
Speaker 1: for the fight for the dinner. And that's what happened.

840
00:37:23,104 --> 00:37:25,104
Speaker 2: It is and it was you didn't even have to

841
00:37:25,143 --> 00:37:27,544
Speaker 2: do any of what you just said. You could have

842
00:37:27,663 --> 00:37:29,944
Speaker 2: just been like, showed up without even stepping foot on

843
00:37:29,984 --> 00:37:31,903
Speaker 2: camera yet and told the producers. You know, I'd really

844
00:37:31,944 --> 00:37:33,584
Speaker 2: like to say with domination.

845
00:37:33,424 --> 00:37:35,584
Speaker 1: I don't see myself in that. I don't feel like

846
00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:38,464
Speaker 1: I have that agency. I'm going to show I have.

847
00:37:38,504 --> 00:37:40,543
Speaker 1: That's my whole mentality. I'm going to prove to these.

848
00:37:40,623 --> 00:37:43,143
Speaker 2: Here's the thing we when we invite people on Top Chef,

849
00:37:43,143 --> 00:37:46,663
Speaker 2: we're also very conscious of your time and the fact

850
00:37:46,703 --> 00:37:49,943
Speaker 2: that you flew to Madison Wisconsin that you left your

851
00:37:50,944 --> 00:37:53,664
Speaker 2: wife and your children, like it is still your time

852
00:37:54,263 --> 00:37:57,664
Speaker 2: and it's not compensated like a regular job.

853
00:37:58,344 --> 00:38:00,663
Speaker 1: It is very much like it's a love of the game.

854
00:38:00,824 --> 00:38:03,024
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, and if you want to be there, so

855
00:38:03,064 --> 00:38:05,463
Speaker 2: no one's going to ever ask you to stay more

856
00:38:05,544 --> 00:38:06,384
Speaker 2: than what you initially.

857
00:38:06,384 --> 00:38:08,544
Speaker 1: They don't understand how I work.

858
00:38:08,783 --> 00:38:10,104
Speaker 2: I mean you get paid in food.

859
00:38:10,263 --> 00:38:11,863
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you get paid and you get paid in

860
00:38:11,904 --> 00:38:13,263
Speaker 1: like the fact that you get to tell everybody I

861
00:38:13,303 --> 00:38:15,024
Speaker 1: was going to shop. You know, it's like it's like

862
00:38:15,104 --> 00:38:16,623
Speaker 1: one of those credits that and you.

863
00:38:16,783 --> 00:38:18,743
Speaker 2: Like, your room and accommodations and flight are all very

864
00:38:18,824 --> 00:38:19,544
Speaker 2: much taken care of.

865
00:38:20,623 --> 00:38:27,544
Speaker 1: They made me pay the wait a minute, I would

866
00:38:27,584 --> 00:38:30,303
Speaker 1: have given you. They gave me hotels dot com, they said,

867
00:38:30,424 --> 00:38:32,143
Speaker 1: they sent me a link to hotels dot calm and

868
00:38:32,223 --> 00:38:34,584
Speaker 1: said you book now. You can find some affordable rooms.

869
00:38:34,584 --> 00:38:36,264
Speaker 1: That's what they they asked me. I by any frequent

870
00:38:36,263 --> 00:38:36,984
Speaker 1: flyer miles?

871
00:38:37,263 --> 00:38:40,304
Speaker 2: Did they really? Oh my god, I really no.

872
00:38:40,864 --> 00:38:44,024
Speaker 1: No, none of that happened. But so we do the

873
00:38:44,104 --> 00:38:46,623
Speaker 1: quick fire challenge, We do the thing I remember. The

874
00:38:46,663 --> 00:38:48,863
Speaker 1: thing that I remember are the jokes that I said

875
00:38:48,864 --> 00:38:51,463
Speaker 1: that that made the show. That's what I remember which

876
00:38:51,584 --> 00:38:54,544
Speaker 1: was what's so we were backstage tasting the food and

877
00:38:54,584 --> 00:38:56,823
Speaker 1: it was the food. I just remember this dish because

878
00:38:56,824 --> 00:38:58,663
Speaker 1: it was it was not a winning dish. It was

879
00:38:58,663 --> 00:39:01,904
Speaker 1: actually called out. It was uh the chef made the

880
00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:03,984
Speaker 1: dish with the raisin sauce, which was sort of like

881
00:39:04,024 --> 00:39:06,703
Speaker 1: there was just no way to make them. It was

882
00:39:06,743 --> 00:39:08,743
Speaker 1: just like a it was like it was it was

883
00:39:08,783 --> 00:39:09,584
Speaker 1: with the eggs.

884
00:39:09,864 --> 00:39:15,584
Speaker 2: Yes, Michelle, Yes, yep, I'm impressing myself.

885
00:39:15,663 --> 00:39:19,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's been years. Yeah, and so I'm not

886
00:39:19,104 --> 00:39:20,504
Speaker 1: first off, I'm not an egg person, but I had

887
00:39:20,504 --> 00:39:22,663
Speaker 1: to put that aside and just go. But then just

888
00:39:22,703 --> 00:39:27,303
Speaker 1: the fact that like everybody sort of went that's a

889
00:39:27,703 --> 00:39:29,424
Speaker 1: And it's also she had to do a raisin sauce.

890
00:39:29,464 --> 00:39:31,184
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it was not some people

891
00:39:31,183 --> 00:39:33,504
Speaker 1: got like a garlic sauce. So it was like it

892
00:39:33,544 --> 00:39:39,504
Speaker 1: was the top chef does uh. And so when I

893
00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:42,623
Speaker 1: tasted it, everybody and I went like this, you know

894
00:39:42,663 --> 00:39:45,504
Speaker 1: that thing that happens when you're listening to one song

895
00:39:45,824 --> 00:39:50,183
Speaker 1: and then another song comes in and sometimes they mix perfectly. Well.

896
00:39:50,223 --> 00:39:51,904
Speaker 1: This is like if you're listening to a Taylor Swift

897
00:39:51,944 --> 00:39:55,343
Speaker 1: song and a Slipknot song comes in and I said

898
00:39:55,384 --> 00:39:59,584
Speaker 1: it backstage. It's always like say that out there, and

899
00:39:59,623 --> 00:40:03,383
Speaker 1: so I did, and I saw our face go, I mean,

900
00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:04,984
Speaker 1: we've made it up, but you know, but it was

901
00:40:05,064 --> 00:40:07,303
Speaker 1: just like funny. I remember that because I said it

902
00:40:07,344 --> 00:40:10,024
Speaker 1: and everybody laughed and then said say it out there.

903
00:40:10,024 --> 00:40:12,183
Speaker 2: And I was like, here's the thing with like these

904
00:40:12,263 --> 00:40:16,263
Speaker 2: chefs too, where I feel like people like you. And

905
00:40:16,263 --> 00:40:18,104
Speaker 2: this is why it's so great to have guests on

906
00:40:18,424 --> 00:40:22,224
Speaker 2: that when you say something like that, it's not a fence,

907
00:40:22,384 --> 00:40:24,584
Speaker 2: like they're not like, oh, like these chefs are like

908
00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:27,143
Speaker 2: they kind of chuckle at it themselves because they probably

909
00:40:27,183 --> 00:40:27,623
Speaker 2: already know.

910
00:40:27,904 --> 00:40:30,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she yeah, she knew she had raisin sauce.

911
00:40:30,104 --> 00:40:32,024
Speaker 1: And that's why I felt like it was like, this

912
00:40:32,104 --> 00:40:34,544
Speaker 1: is not a this she sort of got the bad card.

913
00:40:34,623 --> 00:40:36,544
Speaker 1: She got like she took the bad poker card. So

914
00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:38,743
Speaker 1: I and and but I was happy when it when

915
00:40:38,783 --> 00:40:40,303
Speaker 1: it made the thing. When it made, I was like

916
00:40:40,464 --> 00:40:41,984
Speaker 1: again I went in to put pride value. And then

917
00:40:41,984 --> 00:40:44,303
Speaker 1: I went and sat down after quick Fire Challenge because

918
00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:45,903
Speaker 1: I was leaving the next day and I just wanted

919
00:40:45,864 --> 00:40:47,623
Speaker 1: to and I sat down because they were like, okay,

920
00:40:47,703 --> 00:40:49,183
Speaker 1: we're done. I was like, I'll sit here and just wait.

921
00:40:49,263 --> 00:40:51,143
Speaker 1: And then so I came tapping the shoulder and in

922
00:40:51,263 --> 00:40:57,104
Speaker 1: classic come out fashion, come out. It's the only child

923
00:40:57,303 --> 00:40:59,663
Speaker 1: while she prepared to be in trouble. Uh. And they're like,

924
00:40:59,783 --> 00:41:01,223
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, we just wonder if you want

925
00:41:01,263 --> 00:41:04,064
Speaker 1: to stay till tomorrow. I was like, yeah, I can

926
00:41:04,104 --> 00:41:07,743
Speaker 1: do that. Inside I'm like yes. I was like, let

927
00:41:07,743 --> 00:41:09,424
Speaker 1: me call my wife. I got to make sure that okay.

928
00:41:09,504 --> 00:41:10,584
Speaker 1: And then everybody's worried about it.

929
00:41:10,623 --> 00:41:12,703
Speaker 2: She okays, it wasn't at your kids first day of

930
00:41:12,703 --> 00:41:13,544
Speaker 2: school or something.

931
00:41:13,783 --> 00:41:17,343
Speaker 1: There was something. It wasn't somebody, there was something that

932
00:41:17,384 --> 00:41:19,024
Speaker 1: I had to like. I just was like, I knew

933
00:41:19,024 --> 00:41:21,343
Speaker 1: she would be fine with me staying, but you know,

934
00:41:21,424 --> 00:41:23,783
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there was something. I don't think I

935
00:41:23,783 --> 00:41:25,183
Speaker 1: missed the first day of school, but there was some

936
00:41:25,223 --> 00:41:27,104
Speaker 1: sort of thing that was like yeah you can stay.

937
00:41:27,303 --> 00:41:27,503
Speaker 2: Yeah.

938
00:41:27,663 --> 00:41:28,104
Speaker 1: Yeah.

939
00:41:28,344 --> 00:41:29,743
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you asked her, and I'm glad that

940
00:41:29,743 --> 00:41:30,223
Speaker 2: she said yes.

941
00:41:30,424 --> 00:41:32,143
Speaker 1: Of course. Like I said, this is a there's some

942
00:41:32,183 --> 00:41:35,223
Speaker 1: of these offers that I get. It's like, it just

943
00:41:35,263 --> 00:41:37,744
Speaker 1: takes me back two times when me and my wife

944
00:41:37,984 --> 00:41:40,863
Speaker 1: were dating on her couch and her roommates in her

945
00:41:40,864 --> 00:41:44,663
Speaker 1: apartment with five people watching Bravo and being like, man,

946
00:41:45,143 --> 00:41:46,823
Speaker 1: this is good. Anyway, I got to go to the

947
00:41:46,864 --> 00:41:48,544
Speaker 1: San Francisco and try to do five minutes of stand

948
00:41:48,584 --> 00:41:50,664
Speaker 1: up comedy and hope I can make this career happen.

949
00:41:50,703 --> 00:41:51,783
Speaker 2: We got to get your wife on.

950
00:41:52,464 --> 00:41:53,544
Speaker 1: I mean that would be there.

951
00:41:53,864 --> 00:41:57,223
Speaker 2: Your kids, I mean, stop it, we had kids on

952
00:41:57,263 --> 00:41:59,984
Speaker 2: this season? Maybe, I mean, I.

953
00:41:59,944 --> 00:42:02,423
Speaker 1: Mean I think that you I mean my kids are Yeah,

954
00:42:02,464 --> 00:42:03,544
Speaker 1: that would be that would be fun.

955
00:42:03,703 --> 00:42:05,704
Speaker 2: I love in the same way that I like working

956
00:42:05,743 --> 00:42:09,703
Speaker 2: with people like you like kids. You just you just

957
00:42:09,783 --> 00:42:11,703
Speaker 2: never know what's going to happen. You don't know, and

958
00:42:11,743 --> 00:42:13,344
Speaker 2: it makes it so much more interesting.

959
00:42:13,824 --> 00:42:17,144
Speaker 1: And my kids, my oldest daughter, Sammy, sings and plays guitar,

960
00:42:17,783 --> 00:42:19,984
Speaker 1: and so my kids are sort of like ready for

961
00:42:19,984 --> 00:42:22,383
Speaker 1: for their Like I'm not We're like not pushing them

962
00:42:22,384 --> 00:42:24,024
Speaker 1: to do things, but this is what they do. My

963
00:42:24,104 --> 00:42:26,104
Speaker 1: middle kid actually performs with me sometimes and I do

964
00:42:26,183 --> 00:42:28,263
Speaker 1: stand up comedy. She sits on the edge of the

965
00:42:28,263 --> 00:42:30,904
Speaker 1: stage with the microphone and counts how many times.

966
00:42:30,783 --> 00:42:33,183
Speaker 2: I swear and then you give her money?

967
00:42:33,584 --> 00:42:36,743
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah no. Also, like she'll like correct things I say.

968
00:42:37,024 --> 00:42:38,584
Speaker 1: She has a bit that she does and we just

969
00:42:38,623 --> 00:42:40,664
Speaker 1: it sort of happened. It evolves out of me returning

970
00:42:40,663 --> 00:42:42,903
Speaker 1: to stand up. And then my seven year old is like,

971
00:42:43,064 --> 00:42:45,303
Speaker 1: this is she's in second grade, and you know, like

972
00:42:45,344 --> 00:42:47,464
Speaker 1: all kids of that age who are around who were

973
00:42:47,504 --> 00:42:50,623
Speaker 1: sort of young when COVID happened, she's feral. Wait.

974
00:42:50,623 --> 00:42:53,703
Speaker 2: I have a question about stand up okay, because it

975
00:42:53,783 --> 00:42:57,544
Speaker 2: really is quite an art and quite a skill. Are

976
00:42:57,584 --> 00:43:01,024
Speaker 2: you born with comedic timing or is that something you

977
00:43:01,223 --> 00:43:04,024
Speaker 2: honed or when did it? Like, how do you know

978
00:43:04,064 --> 00:43:05,343
Speaker 2: when you when you get it?

979
00:43:06,024 --> 00:43:08,983
Speaker 1: I think there is an aspect of like, so let's

980
00:43:08,984 --> 00:43:13,743
Speaker 1: just say people who find out they're funny or find

981
00:43:13,783 --> 00:43:17,064
Speaker 1: out that you're interested being funny, and then you hone

982
00:43:17,064 --> 00:43:19,823
Speaker 1: that skill. So everybody has been funny at some point.

983
00:43:19,864 --> 00:43:22,263
Speaker 1: They're like, even unfunny people have said any thing that

984
00:43:22,303 --> 00:43:23,064
Speaker 1: made people laugh.

985
00:43:23,344 --> 00:43:25,983
Speaker 2: So you kind of take notes all the time.

986
00:43:26,344 --> 00:43:28,944
Speaker 1: Landed as a kid, you're like, huh. And then if

987
00:43:28,984 --> 00:43:31,703
Speaker 1: people start reflecting that you are funny, since I think

988
00:43:31,703 --> 00:43:33,423
Speaker 1: it has to a stand up comic. You say things

989
00:43:33,424 --> 00:43:35,743
Speaker 1: that are funny, you notice that people are laughing, and

990
00:43:35,783 --> 00:43:38,024
Speaker 1: you go huh. Then you try to say things that

991
00:43:38,024 --> 00:43:41,104
Speaker 1: are funny. You know, some people laugh and you go huh,

992
00:43:41,143 --> 00:43:43,584
Speaker 1: and you start feel like you can control it, and

993
00:43:43,623 --> 00:43:46,624
Speaker 1: then people start telling you you become everybody's funny friend.

994
00:43:47,104 --> 00:43:48,904
Speaker 1: This is kmal, He's hilarious.

995
00:43:49,024 --> 00:43:51,024
Speaker 2: But I think it's also the content and the things

996
00:43:51,024 --> 00:43:53,623
Speaker 2: that you choose to be funny about, because obviously your

997
00:43:53,743 --> 00:43:56,743
Speaker 2: joke is not going to land. If another comedian said,

998
00:43:57,303 --> 00:43:59,344
Speaker 2: it's all in the delivery of the timing, I also

999
00:43:59,464 --> 00:44:03,143
Speaker 2: think that just similar to food, it lands and it

1000
00:44:03,183 --> 00:44:05,384
Speaker 2: becomes memorable when it feels a little bit personal.

1001
00:44:05,584 --> 00:44:07,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, ye, yep, yeah, and it's just.

1002
00:44:07,024 --> 00:44:08,864
Speaker 2: A little something where it feels like relatable.

1003
00:44:08,904 --> 00:44:10,263
Speaker 1: Well that's the big thing is like how do you

1004
00:44:10,303 --> 00:44:13,464
Speaker 1: take because on some level this is I mean people

1005
00:44:13,623 --> 00:44:18,984
Speaker 1: like cooking is science, like you need to do I

1006
00:44:19,064 --> 00:44:20,863
Speaker 1: cook in my house, so I can you know, you

1007
00:44:20,944 --> 00:44:24,384
Speaker 1: know what's up? I know it's up. Uh. And I

1008
00:44:24,384 --> 00:44:29,064
Speaker 1: always say comedy is math. It's like there's certain rules

1009
00:44:29,104 --> 00:44:30,504
Speaker 1: in place that you sort of go if you're going

1010
00:44:30,544 --> 00:44:34,343
Speaker 1: to write a joke, you kind of there's structure, there's repetition,

1011
00:44:34,864 --> 00:44:37,543
Speaker 1: there's set up. Set up, can't be too long, can't

1012
00:44:37,584 --> 00:44:41,744
Speaker 1: be too short. The punchline you can has to build

1013
00:44:41,824 --> 00:44:43,703
Speaker 1: if you only have one good punchline. You sort of

1014
00:44:43,743 --> 00:44:45,303
Speaker 1: need to figureut how to you know, there's like a

1015
00:44:45,303 --> 00:44:47,464
Speaker 1: certain like I think theame is math. It's because it

1016
00:44:47,504 --> 00:44:49,783
Speaker 1: is writing, but it's math because you're like and then

1017
00:44:49,824 --> 00:44:53,584
Speaker 1: the timing is part of the math too, like now.

1018
00:44:53,584 --> 00:44:55,904
Speaker 2: Right, because you start to feel what the audience.

1019
00:44:55,544 --> 00:44:59,544
Speaker 1: Is perm yeah, yeah, so, and then there's a part

1020
00:44:59,544 --> 00:45:01,263
Speaker 1: of it that is like music, and there's part of

1021
00:45:01,263 --> 00:45:02,823
Speaker 1: it that when you get up there becomes like it's

1022
00:45:02,824 --> 00:45:04,623
Speaker 1: like jazz, where it's like, well, let me improvise a

1023
00:45:04,663 --> 00:45:05,984
Speaker 1: little bit and see what I can get out of here,

1024
00:45:05,984 --> 00:45:07,343
Speaker 1: and you start to and so every comic is different

1025
00:45:07,384 --> 00:45:08,943
Speaker 1: under my imprize, but I improvise a lot.

1026
00:45:09,183 --> 00:45:11,584
Speaker 2: But when you say so, you were talking talking about

1027
00:45:11,623 --> 00:45:15,223
Speaker 2: television hosting and you know whatever, in the same way

1028
00:45:15,263 --> 00:45:18,024
Speaker 2: that I don't think about television hosting. You don't have to.

1029
00:45:18,584 --> 00:45:20,504
Speaker 2: Of course we think about it, but you stand up there,

1030
00:45:20,544 --> 00:45:22,504
Speaker 2: you know exactly what it feels like. You know the

1031
00:45:22,544 --> 00:45:24,663
Speaker 2: cadence before you even go through it. You know the

1032
00:45:24,743 --> 00:45:25,623
Speaker 2: rhythm of your show.

1033
00:45:25,864 --> 00:45:30,624
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.

1034
00:45:29,303 --> 00:45:30,904
Speaker 2: Why is that you're saying it like a question?

1035
00:45:31,024 --> 00:45:34,584
Speaker 1: Because I think there's there's a little bit about stand

1036
00:45:34,663 --> 00:45:36,104
Speaker 1: up comedy that is like who knows what's going.

1037
00:45:36,104 --> 00:45:38,343
Speaker 2: To happen, right, because every crowd's.

1038
00:45:38,024 --> 00:45:41,423
Speaker 1: Different, because everything's different, and also every crowd's different, every

1039
00:45:41,464 --> 00:45:43,863
Speaker 1: space is different. Also if you have a new joke

1040
00:45:44,464 --> 00:45:47,064
Speaker 1: like that you just wrote that morning, and you're like,

1041
00:45:47,104 --> 00:45:48,544
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to open on this new joke

1042
00:45:48,544 --> 00:45:50,464
Speaker 1: that I just wrote. So there's always an element of

1043
00:45:50,544 --> 00:45:52,464
Speaker 1: like that. A lot of comics I think rely on

1044
00:45:52,464 --> 00:45:54,343
Speaker 1: of like I could do it the way I did

1045
00:45:54,424 --> 00:45:56,623
Speaker 1: it last night, or I could change it a little

1046
00:45:56,663 --> 00:45:58,904
Speaker 1: bit and see what right, And so there's always not

1047
00:45:58,984 --> 00:46:00,544
Speaker 1: with every comedian, but I think it was cool I

1048
00:46:00,584 --> 00:46:03,344
Speaker 1: came out of. There's a little bit more like adding

1049
00:46:03,384 --> 00:46:07,984
Speaker 1: elements of danger to it that if you're like, for example,

1050
00:46:08,384 --> 00:46:11,383
Speaker 1: trying to think of a comedian like Jim Gaffigan, I

1051
00:46:11,384 --> 00:46:13,544
Speaker 1: get the impression like it's written down on paper the

1052
00:46:13,584 --> 00:46:16,223
Speaker 1: way he says it, like I wrote it this way.

1053
00:46:16,544 --> 00:46:18,544
Speaker 1: I remember him and his wife write together. I get

1054
00:46:18,544 --> 00:46:21,024
Speaker 1: to feel that these are routines that he's not really

1055
00:46:21,064 --> 00:46:24,104
Speaker 1: improvising a lot, whereas Maren goes up there with like

1056
00:46:24,263 --> 00:46:26,823
Speaker 1: a piece of paper that says the government and he

1057
00:46:26,904 --> 00:46:27,984
Speaker 1: talks for twenty minutes.

1058
00:46:28,623 --> 00:46:30,183
Speaker 2: Because it's just more of a bullet point of the

1059
00:46:30,223 --> 00:46:30,703
Speaker 2: story that.

1060
00:46:30,703 --> 00:46:32,143
Speaker 1: And he knows what that and he knows what that's

1061
00:46:32,143 --> 00:46:34,264
Speaker 1: gonna remind him of. But he's also sort of figuring

1062
00:46:34,263 --> 00:46:35,263
Speaker 1: it out with the audience.

1063
00:46:35,904 --> 00:46:37,743
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a Can I ask you a

1064
00:46:37,743 --> 00:46:38,463
Speaker 2: follow up question?

1065
00:46:38,703 --> 00:46:42,223
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, we're out of time. Thank you for coming. Yes,

1066
00:46:42,263 --> 00:46:42,783
Speaker 1: you can ask me.

1067
00:46:42,783 --> 00:46:46,903
Speaker 2: A follow What happens when you start to feel like

1068
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Speaker 2: it's not going to land or what do you do

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00:46:49,623 --> 00:46:50,224
Speaker 2: in that moment?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think that has to happen. If

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00:46:52,064 --> 00:46:54,064
Speaker 1: it's always landing, you're probably not trying hard enough. I

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00:46:54,104 --> 00:46:57,584
Speaker 1: think that's actually I feel like that. I think it's

1073
00:46:57,623 --> 00:47:01,544
Speaker 1: about what the like. If I'm headlining a show where

1074
00:47:01,544 --> 00:47:03,383
Speaker 1: people have come out to see me, and I do

1075
00:47:03,424 --> 00:47:05,064
Speaker 1: a few jokes that don't land, you can sort of

1076
00:47:05,064 --> 00:47:05,623
Speaker 1: be honest.

1077
00:47:05,504 --> 00:47:09,064
Speaker 2: With you go, hey, you have to call it out.

1078
00:47:09,143 --> 00:47:12,544
Speaker 1: You can call it how badly it's doesn't land. Sometimes

1079
00:47:13,104 --> 00:47:15,343
Speaker 1: if the statement is compelling enough, you can just move on,

1080
00:47:15,384 --> 00:47:17,664
Speaker 1: Like if it doesn't land, but I said something people like, hmm,

1081
00:47:18,584 --> 00:47:20,423
Speaker 1: you can go well, I appreciate the fact that they

1082
00:47:20,424 --> 00:47:23,383
Speaker 1: all like the point I made, but I'd like to

1083
00:47:23,384 --> 00:47:27,424
Speaker 1: make it funnier, you know, if it just bombs, you

1084
00:47:27,504 --> 00:47:29,064
Speaker 1: gotta sort of like it's like the same thing you

1085
00:47:29,104 --> 00:47:30,823
Speaker 1: say about Top Chef. You got to like time to

1086
00:47:30,824 --> 00:47:32,823
Speaker 1: move on to the next thing, because if you sort

1087
00:47:32,864 --> 00:47:34,464
Speaker 1: of get caught up in that moment, that's when you

1088
00:47:34,464 --> 00:47:36,504
Speaker 1: can spiral. And every comic has done that.

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00:47:36,663 --> 00:47:39,343
Speaker 2: Okay, I have one more follow up question. Sorry, I

1090
00:47:39,384 --> 00:47:43,584
Speaker 2: have I have a question slightly skewing same category, slightly

1091
00:47:43,584 --> 00:47:52,663
Speaker 2: skewing to a more maybe serious answer. What when you

1092
00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:55,984
Speaker 2: write your jokes or when you listen to jokes? Yes,

1093
00:47:58,743 --> 00:48:03,263
Speaker 2: what is it is? That's why I've heard some I've

1094
00:48:03,303 --> 00:48:06,383
Speaker 2: heard jokes that I don't particularly think are funny that

1095
00:48:06,424 --> 00:48:10,303
Speaker 2: have that have because they crossed over a threshold which

1096
00:48:10,384 --> 00:48:12,584
Speaker 2: I don't find humorous.

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Speaker 1: Anything particular right now?

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00:48:14,344 --> 00:48:19,543
Speaker 2: Specific Yes, actually the I saw a clip of the

1099
00:48:19,623 --> 00:48:25,823
Speaker 2: roast of Kepenheart. Okay, so several things in there. One

1100
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:27,584
Speaker 2: either didn't land with me because it's just not my

1101
00:48:27,663 --> 00:48:34,064
Speaker 2: kind of humor. But also there just are things that

1102
00:48:34,223 --> 00:48:37,424
Speaker 2: I don't think we should be yea turning into a

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00:48:37,504 --> 00:48:42,584
Speaker 2: joke or a punchline. How what is the difference? What

1104
00:48:42,743 --> 00:48:46,024
Speaker 2: is it the person telling certain jokes that I feel

1105
00:48:46,064 --> 00:48:51,183
Speaker 2: crosses over? Is it just a I guess I'm trying

1106
00:48:51,223 --> 00:48:55,544
Speaker 2: to understand how you arrived to being okay with doing

1107
00:48:55,544 --> 00:49:00,264
Speaker 2: that or that comedy? How did you get.

1108
00:49:01,024 --> 00:49:02,984
Speaker 1: The person who told the joke? Like, why would you

1109
00:49:02,984 --> 00:49:03,223
Speaker 1: tell that?

1110
00:49:03,424 --> 00:49:03,904
Speaker 2: Why would you?

1111
00:49:03,984 --> 00:49:07,544
Speaker 1: That's not funny, that's transgressive. But you don't have the

1112
00:49:07,623 --> 00:49:09,783
Speaker 1: right to talk about that, correct, Okay? I think I

1113
00:49:09,783 --> 00:49:12,303
Speaker 1: think we're thinking about the same person. Giant Teeth.

1114
00:49:13,143 --> 00:49:16,464
Speaker 2: Yes, Now, I didn't know who this guy was before I.

1115
00:49:16,464 --> 00:49:17,983
Speaker 1: Knew who he was because he's I'm in the yes,

1116
00:49:18,663 --> 00:49:21,064
Speaker 1: of course, so I'll say that I was not surprised.

1117
00:49:22,064 --> 00:49:26,303
Speaker 1: You're not like, that's normal guy telling a joke like that.

1118
00:49:26,504 --> 00:49:29,903
Speaker 2: Yes, No, that's his thing, that's his thing.

1119
00:49:30,303 --> 00:49:31,904
Speaker 1: Just we can cut this out if you want to.

1120
00:49:32,024 --> 00:49:36,023
Speaker 1: I don't care, Tony Hinchcliff. We're talking about yes, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, Alex,

1121
00:49:36,064 --> 00:49:36,863
Speaker 1: that is what I'm talking about.

1122
00:49:39,024 --> 00:49:43,503
Speaker 2: But how to like, here's the thing. There's a there's

1123
00:49:43,824 --> 00:49:46,544
Speaker 2: a space obviously where he just is doing his life

1124
00:49:46,623 --> 00:49:49,823
Speaker 2: or whatever. I know, jackshit about this man. But then

1125
00:49:49,864 --> 00:49:54,784
Speaker 2: you're on you go on a national, hugely global.

1126
00:49:54,544 --> 00:49:55,863
Speaker 1: Global, maybe galaxy wide.

1127
00:49:55,904 --> 00:49:59,783
Speaker 2: We don't know of a person with a global presence.

1128
00:50:00,904 --> 00:50:04,303
Speaker 2: And at what point did no one, No one say

1129
00:50:05,183 --> 00:50:07,263
Speaker 2: maybe you know, maybe this isn't the guy for us.

1130
00:50:07,303 --> 00:50:10,143
Speaker 1: This is so fascinating. So I write a weekly newsletter

1131
00:50:10,384 --> 00:50:13,104
Speaker 1: and right now about the Kevin Hart roast. So I'm

1132
00:50:13,104 --> 00:50:16,544
Speaker 1: thinking about this a lot. Yeah. So this is why

1133
00:50:16,783 --> 00:50:21,703
Speaker 1: when people earlier you were talking about, the comic goes

1134
00:50:21,743 --> 00:50:23,743
Speaker 1: up there and knows what they're gonna sort of you

1135
00:50:23,783 --> 00:50:26,304
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say. And I think people sometimes

1136
00:50:26,384 --> 00:50:29,104
Speaker 1: think that all comics are in it for the same reasons,

1137
00:50:29,944 --> 00:50:33,064
Speaker 1: or that comedy is a like people say comics are

1138
00:50:33,104 --> 00:50:36,184
Speaker 1: truth tellers, and I want to be like, no, some

1139
00:50:36,344 --> 00:50:39,584
Speaker 1: comics are truth tellers. Some comics are just trying to

1140
00:50:39,623 --> 00:50:42,663
Speaker 1: be funny. Some comics are just trying to get girls.

1141
00:50:43,743 --> 00:50:47,783
Speaker 1: Some comics are sad broken people who use comedy as

1142
00:50:47,783 --> 00:50:53,183
Speaker 1: a weapon. So and unfortunately it's like it's like it's

1143
00:50:53,223 --> 00:50:55,783
Speaker 1: like they're superheroes and super villains. Not everybody who gets

1144
00:50:55,783 --> 00:51:00,064
Speaker 1: superpowers uses them for good, right And comedy is a superpower,

1145
00:51:00,143 --> 00:51:02,944
Speaker 1: just like cooking is a superpower, right Like, and I

1146
00:51:02,984 --> 00:51:05,024
Speaker 1: think we think that everybody who got the superpower of

1147
00:51:05,143 --> 00:51:07,584
Speaker 1: being funny would want to use it for good, and

1148
00:51:07,623 --> 00:51:11,383
Speaker 1: good could mean like being like George Carlo where you're

1149
00:51:11,384 --> 00:51:14,903
Speaker 1: speaking truth, the power or good could be like being like, uh,

1150
00:51:16,024 --> 00:51:18,383
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a comic like well, Jim

1151
00:51:18,384 --> 00:51:19,784
Speaker 1: Gaffigan who just wants you to laugh.

1152
00:51:20,663 --> 00:51:24,184
Speaker 2: But the crazy thing is I didn't watch the full roast,

1153
00:51:24,464 --> 00:51:28,623
Speaker 2: but I saw it. I saw the clip. And if

1154
00:51:28,623 --> 00:51:35,823
Speaker 2: we kind of like the the you know, you give,

1155
00:51:35,904 --> 00:51:39,223
Speaker 2: you give media platforms to these moments that then represent

1156
00:51:39,424 --> 00:51:42,384
Speaker 2: or are deemed okay because they made it to this stage,

1157
00:51:43,064 --> 00:51:45,263
Speaker 2: as opposed to thinking about the choices that we make

1158
00:51:45,504 --> 00:51:47,984
Speaker 2: and how it impacts all of us, all of our

1159
00:51:48,024 --> 00:51:52,544
Speaker 2: communities around us. And I live in the space of

1160
00:51:54,864 --> 00:51:57,143
Speaker 2: you are I mean, you do all the things like

1161
00:51:57,183 --> 00:51:59,383
Speaker 2: you you are a good person. You spread the good.

1162
00:51:59,504 --> 00:52:01,544
Speaker 2: It trickles out and it just is like this thing

1163
00:52:01,623 --> 00:52:06,423
Speaker 2: because sometimes I get so overwhelmed by all the things

1164
00:52:06,464 --> 00:52:10,744
Speaker 2: that need changing in this world and country that sometimes

1165
00:52:10,783 --> 00:52:12,104
Speaker 2: all you can do is focus on the things that

1166
00:52:12,143 --> 00:52:13,423
Speaker 2: you actually have full control over.

1167
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Speaker 1: Yep.

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00:52:15,303 --> 00:52:23,944
Speaker 2: But then moments in our country's culture, in society, you're like, okay,

1169
00:52:23,984 --> 00:52:28,464
Speaker 2: but some that just gave someone else permission to maybe

1170
00:52:28,464 --> 00:52:32,383
Speaker 2: not say the same thing in their circle, but be

1171
00:52:32,544 --> 00:52:34,984
Speaker 2: that kind of person of course, yeah.

1172
00:52:34,824 --> 00:52:38,623
Speaker 1: And to be to be to be uninterested in being

1173
00:52:38,703 --> 00:52:39,863
Speaker 1: a helper, and we are.

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00:52:39,944 --> 00:52:42,344
Speaker 2: We live in a place where we are led by example,

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00:52:42,384 --> 00:52:45,184
Speaker 2: whether we understand it or not. Like we see something,

1176
00:52:45,223 --> 00:52:48,383
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, that was just broadcast to the

1177
00:52:48,384 --> 00:52:51,623
Speaker 2: whole world, so maybe that's okay, you know what I mean?

1178
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Speaker 1: As opposed even if they don't tell their own verse

1179
00:52:53,904 --> 00:52:55,783
Speaker 1: that joke, kurs spread that joke and put that joke

1180
00:52:55,824 --> 00:52:58,664
Speaker 1: on social media. They he said that, and then.

1181
00:52:58,904 --> 00:53:03,263
Speaker 2: And then it becomes normalized and it feels less like

1182
00:53:03,303 --> 00:53:06,024
Speaker 2: an issue because it's so familiar.

1183
00:53:06,703 --> 00:53:09,663
Speaker 1: It feels like, I guess that we're okay with that now, right, yeah, which.

1184
00:53:11,344 --> 00:53:13,824
Speaker 2: Which is no one that I've spoken to is okay without.

1185
00:53:13,663 --> 00:53:15,463
Speaker 1: Right now, I can't imagine your circles, like I can't

1186
00:53:15,464 --> 00:53:18,104
Speaker 1: imagin anybody be Like, I don't know if that was

1187
00:53:18,143 --> 00:53:21,544
Speaker 1: really made me laugh when he when he created an

1188
00:53:21,584 --> 00:53:23,584
Speaker 1: image in all of our minds of George Floyd being

1189
00:53:23,584 --> 00:53:26,544
Speaker 1: in hell, right, Yeah, yeah, over a joke that nothing

1190
00:53:26,663 --> 00:53:28,664
Speaker 1: that nothing there had to do anything with George Floyd.

1191
00:53:28,703 --> 00:53:31,343
Speaker 2: Yeah, but correct me if I'm wrong. The majority of

1192
00:53:31,424 --> 00:53:35,344
Speaker 2: people that were sitting up there laughed. Yeah, the majority

1193
00:53:35,344 --> 00:53:38,663
Speaker 2: of the audience laughed. Now it could be this uncomfortable laugh.

1194
00:53:38,743 --> 00:53:40,663
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like there's like the h like what do

1195
00:53:40,743 --> 00:53:43,504
Speaker 1: I do right now? Also, it's self selects. They didn't

1196
00:53:43,544 --> 00:53:46,183
Speaker 1: like force people to go there, so people going there

1197
00:53:46,384 --> 00:53:49,543
Speaker 1: showed up for that thing. It's a roast, and there's

1198
00:53:49,544 --> 00:53:51,703
Speaker 1: this culture of roast where it's like you're supposed to

1199
00:53:51,703 --> 00:53:54,503
Speaker 1: be able to say that, there's this culture of roast

1200
00:53:54,504 --> 00:53:56,343
Speaker 1: around saying the meanest thing you can think of.

1201
00:53:56,504 --> 00:53:59,064
Speaker 2: But isn't the roast supposed to be about Kevin Hart,

1202
00:53:59,104 --> 00:54:01,383
Speaker 2: Like he signed up for it to be roasted, not

1203
00:54:01,824 --> 00:54:04,183
Speaker 2: for us to roast these things that have happened.

1204
00:54:03,824 --> 00:54:06,463
Speaker 1: In our It's so funny because I'm literally in the middle

1205
00:54:06,464 --> 00:54:08,383
Speaker 1: of like last night was I was writing this piece

1206
00:54:08,424 --> 00:54:10,223
Speaker 1: that and it's just getting longer and longer. So I

1207
00:54:10,223 --> 00:54:14,183
Speaker 1: would say that roast, in my mind, is a symptom

1208
00:54:14,424 --> 00:54:36,944
Speaker 1: of a broken entertainment industry. The roasts started out at

1209
00:54:36,944 --> 00:54:39,064
Speaker 1: the Friars Club in New York. First of all, right,

1210
00:54:39,263 --> 00:54:42,384
Speaker 1: somewhere near us. The Friars Club is a men's club

1211
00:54:42,783 --> 00:54:45,463
Speaker 1: started by entertainers and publicists. But it's a men's club,

1212
00:54:45,464 --> 00:54:46,904
Speaker 1: so we're already talking about a thing that is like

1213
00:54:47,904 --> 00:54:50,984
Speaker 1: and also no just white people or white people, white

1214
00:54:51,024 --> 00:54:53,783
Speaker 1: passing people, because you know, like Danny Thomas is an error,

1215
00:54:53,824 --> 00:54:55,944
Speaker 1: but he's white. But you know, so there's like he starts,

1216
00:54:55,944 --> 00:54:58,143
Speaker 1: so it's a white men's club or white passing men's club.

1217
00:54:59,223 --> 00:55:01,263
Speaker 1: The roast started out as a way, we want to

1218
00:55:01,303 --> 00:55:04,183
Speaker 1: raise money for whatever causes we support. Oh, we'll bring

1219
00:55:04,223 --> 00:55:05,984
Speaker 1: a guest of honor. And then because they had a

1220
00:55:06,024 --> 00:55:09,463
Speaker 1: lot of comedians, they turned they became comedy roasts, right,

1221
00:55:09,544 --> 00:55:11,703
Speaker 1: So that was a subset of like maybe trying to

1222
00:55:11,703 --> 00:55:14,863
Speaker 1: do a good thing maybe, But then the roast became

1223
00:55:14,944 --> 00:55:18,703
Speaker 1: so popular the sort of the raising money part of

1224
00:55:18,743 --> 00:55:21,223
Speaker 1: it goes away, and they starts to become comedy roasts,

1225
00:55:21,223 --> 00:55:23,463
Speaker 1: start to become a part of American culture, and they

1226
00:55:23,464 --> 00:55:26,543
Speaker 1: start to air them on TV. But it was still

1227
00:55:26,544 --> 00:55:29,223
Speaker 1: a self selecting group of like roasts back in the

1228
00:55:29,263 --> 00:55:32,663
Speaker 1: sixties seventeen eighties were done by people who are friends

1229
00:55:32,743 --> 00:55:33,343
Speaker 1: with each other.

1230
00:55:33,623 --> 00:55:35,984
Speaker 2: It's like giving your friend shit, yes, yeah.

1231
00:55:36,024 --> 00:55:39,104
Speaker 1: And it's also as a different entertainment industry. So CBS

1232
00:55:39,183 --> 00:55:41,663
Speaker 1: might have a rot the Dean Martin Roast on and

1233
00:55:41,743 --> 00:55:43,544
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't watch that. I watch ABC. I

1234
00:55:43,584 --> 00:55:46,143
Speaker 1: watched Bonanza, and there's no sense that we all have

1235
00:55:46,223 --> 00:55:49,784
Speaker 1: to be watching it, like you can watch Milton Burrel

1236
00:55:50,223 --> 00:55:53,503
Speaker 1: roast Sammy Davis Junior, and those jokes are still they're

1237
00:55:53,783 --> 00:55:58,064
Speaker 1: they're all trading in racial stereotypes and gender stereotypes and

1238
00:55:58,344 --> 00:56:02,064
Speaker 1: sexism and your wife is so bubba uh, Sammy Davis Junior,

1239
00:56:02,104 --> 00:56:04,504
Speaker 1: be carefully might steal your wallet, like that's what they're doing.

1240
00:56:04,944 --> 00:56:07,944
Speaker 1: But it's a group of friends who sort of have

1241
00:56:08,024 --> 00:56:10,783
Speaker 1: agreed that these are the things. Right in the early

1242
00:56:10,783 --> 00:56:14,504
Speaker 1: two thousands, Comedy Central because they wanted cheap or the

1243
00:56:14,663 --> 00:56:18,303
Speaker 1: late nineties or wanted cheap programming, and so they sort

1244
00:56:18,303 --> 00:56:22,424
Speaker 1: of brought the roast back. But now it became about

1245
00:56:23,024 --> 00:56:25,943
Speaker 1: it's not about doing good, it's not about a group

1246
00:56:25,984 --> 00:56:27,823
Speaker 1: of friends. It's about who's the most famous person who

1247
00:56:27,824 --> 00:56:30,143
Speaker 1: agree to be roasted? And then let's bring in the

1248
00:56:30,143 --> 00:56:32,783
Speaker 1: comedians who are good at it. So now the comedians

1249
00:56:32,783 --> 00:56:34,504
Speaker 1: don't actually Mark Mary tells u story about how he

1250
00:56:34,544 --> 00:56:36,263
Speaker 1: was on the Chevy Chase roast, and it was just

1251
00:56:36,263 --> 00:56:38,984
Speaker 1: clear Chevy Chase didn't know any of the comedians, he

1252
00:56:39,064 --> 00:56:40,904
Speaker 1: wasn't friends with any of them, he didn't want to

1253
00:56:40,944 --> 00:56:43,624
Speaker 1: be there. He just took a check and Comedy Central

1254
00:56:43,663 --> 00:56:46,143
Speaker 1: aired that roast once because it was just bad. But

1255
00:56:46,183 --> 00:56:47,663
Speaker 1: the problem is, and it should have been a sign

1256
00:56:47,783 --> 00:56:49,343
Speaker 1: like maybe this is the thing we do. It just

1257
00:56:49,384 --> 00:56:53,184
Speaker 1: became content, right, But when Comedy Central's doing it again,

1258
00:56:53,464 --> 00:56:55,623
Speaker 1: you sort of had a million choices. So it's happening,

1259
00:56:55,783 --> 00:56:57,863
Speaker 1: and you might hear about it, but it's over there. Well.

1260
00:56:57,904 --> 00:57:01,183
Speaker 1: Netflix has taking up so much entertainment space that now

1261
00:57:01,183 --> 00:57:02,623
Speaker 1: we all kind of feel like we have to take

1262
00:57:02,663 --> 00:57:05,784
Speaker 1: it in and social media such that like you probably

1263
00:57:05,783 --> 00:57:06,903
Speaker 1: couldn't steer clear of the roast.

1264
00:57:07,104 --> 00:57:08,783
Speaker 2: I didn't even watch it, but god, I feel like

1265
00:57:08,783 --> 00:57:09,544
Speaker 2: I've watched.

1266
00:57:09,303 --> 00:57:11,623
Speaker 1: It because now the entertainment usry is set up our

1267
00:57:11,663 --> 00:57:13,343
Speaker 1: algorithm in such a way that like it can sort

1268
00:57:13,344 --> 00:57:18,184
Speaker 1: of force feed us content. So so here's what I'm saying.

1269
00:57:18,704 --> 00:57:22,864
Speaker 1: And the roast isn't even about honoring Kevin Harrik, correct,

1270
00:57:23,064 --> 00:57:26,664
Speaker 1: It's just about getting as many eyeballs as possible. And

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00:57:26,744 --> 00:57:30,584
Speaker 1: one way that the algorithm has determined eyeball show is outrage.

1272
00:57:30,944 --> 00:57:31,184
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1273
00:57:31,584 --> 00:57:35,984
Speaker 1: And so Tony Hinchcliffe, who very famously became to prominence

1274
00:57:36,264 --> 00:57:38,704
Speaker 1: because he opened for Trump at a rally in Madison

1275
00:57:38,704 --> 00:57:41,464
Speaker 1: Square Garden and said the thing about Puerto Rico's a

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Speaker 1: trash island and if you look at the it's not

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Speaker 1: there's nothing about it. Yeah, that's the same guy. It's

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Speaker 1: not even set up as there's not even a joke there.

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Speaker 1: It's just he called Puerto Rican island of trash and

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00:57:52,424 --> 00:57:54,624
Speaker 1: there's not even it's not But Tony is known for this,

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00:57:54,984 --> 00:57:57,304
Speaker 1: and so then Tony gets a position of like having

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00:57:57,344 --> 00:58:01,024
Speaker 1: to top himself and so he and I'm not giving

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00:58:01,064 --> 00:58:02,544
Speaker 1: him any bail at all. I'm just saying, but I

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00:58:02,544 --> 00:58:04,383
Speaker 1: know how a power works. Well, you think that was bad?

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00:58:04,584 --> 00:58:06,264
Speaker 1: He's in the how you think that was a bad position?

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00:58:06,624 --> 00:58:08,584
Speaker 1: And it's funny because even when he tells the George

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00:58:08,584 --> 00:58:10,904
Speaker 1: Floyd joke, he stumbles over it because I think some

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Speaker 1: inside Tony he was like this might be yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: I have a question how did he even get invited?

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Speaker 1: Like are certain comedians because the roast comedians are a

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00:58:21,864 --> 00:58:25,423
Speaker 1: self selecting group. I'm I'm never gonna be invited to roast.

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Speaker 1: I'll be invited. I'm invited to top Chef.

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00:58:27,304 --> 00:58:30,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like we like, we like the ones that

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Speaker 2: we yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there are a group of comedians Jeff Ross,

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Speaker 1: Tony Hinchcliffe who that's what they're known for, almost more

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Speaker 1: than even doing stand up comedy. Actually, no more than

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Speaker 1: doing stand up comedy. They're known for like roasting people.

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Speaker 1: Now Jeff Ross comes out of more of the like

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00:58:44,784 --> 00:58:48,264
Speaker 1: Don Rickles sort of like sort of elbowing a little, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not. Tony Hinchcliffe is like, you know,

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00:58:52,024 --> 00:58:54,024
Speaker 1: it's not. It's the cleverness is gone.

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Speaker 2: How do you think Kevin Hart actually feels about it?

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00:59:01,384 --> 00:59:05,504
Speaker 1: Oh, you look at me like that, Alex. It's like

1305
00:59:05,584 --> 00:59:09,304
Speaker 1: there's a black discussion happening here. I've never met Kevin Hart,

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00:59:09,344 --> 00:59:12,064
Speaker 1: so I'll say that, first of all, I think if

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Speaker 1: you get to the position where Netflix is like we

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00:59:15,224 --> 00:59:17,784
Speaker 1: were going to do a live roast of you, you've

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00:59:17,784 --> 00:59:19,704
Speaker 1: made choices in your career where this is what you

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00:59:19,784 --> 00:59:22,784
Speaker 1: signed up for, you know what I mean. So I

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00:59:22,784 --> 00:59:25,343
Speaker 1: don't know that he's like he put out a video

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00:59:25,384 --> 00:59:28,304
Speaker 1: the next day saying like basically sort of like in

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00:59:28,344 --> 00:59:30,304
Speaker 1: Somethense saying, hey guys, it was just a good time.

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00:59:30,344 --> 00:59:34,863
Speaker 1: Everybody did well. I think it's like, but.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Hart got paid to sit there, and this is

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00:59:38,264 --> 00:59:39,983
Speaker 3: you know, and Kevin Hart has been very explicit about

1317
00:59:40,024 --> 00:59:41,904
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be the most famous, biggest, most famous

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00:59:41,904 --> 00:59:44,304
Speaker 3: comedian of all time, and so being on the biggest

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00:59:44,344 --> 00:59:46,304
Speaker 3: platform for one of the biggest events where you're at

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00:59:46,304 --> 00:59:48,383
Speaker 3: the center of it is part of being you know,

1321
00:59:48,384 --> 00:59:49,824
Speaker 3: he's made it clear he wants to be a billionaire,

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00:59:49,904 --> 00:59:52,504
Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying, so I think this is what

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00:59:52,544 --> 00:59:53,304
Speaker 3: he signed up for.

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Speaker 2: But see, this all goes back to I think the

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Speaker 2: heart of a lot of the conversations that you've been

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00:59:58,864 --> 01:00:06,264
Speaker 2: having on your podcast is the impact of our actions

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01:00:07,784 --> 01:00:11,584
Speaker 2: have a trickle out effect. There is some thing that

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01:00:11,664 --> 01:00:16,184
Speaker 2: happens with every action, every decision and choice that we

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01:00:16,264 --> 01:00:22,224
Speaker 2: make as being visible people or just whatever. And you

1330
01:00:22,464 --> 01:00:24,343
Speaker 2: like to think that there are just good people making

1331
01:00:24,464 --> 01:00:29,504
Speaker 2: really good choices for the betterment of all of So

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Speaker 2: I'll say.

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Speaker 1: This of what I've observed in my career, and this

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01:00:33,144 --> 01:00:34,863
Speaker 1: is so this is part of the reason why I've

1335
01:00:35,584 --> 01:00:38,184
Speaker 1: been determined to stay in Oakland, because it's like not

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01:00:38,224 --> 01:00:41,184
Speaker 1: an industry town. First why I love it, and it's

1337
01:00:41,184 --> 01:00:42,983
Speaker 1: not an industry town. So I don't make I don't

1338
01:00:42,984 --> 01:00:45,144
Speaker 1: make a lot of decisions based on industry. Like when

1339
01:00:45,184 --> 01:00:46,464
Speaker 1: I get eat, like do you want to come to

1340
01:00:46,544 --> 01:00:48,704
Speaker 1: top Chef? That's do I want to leave my house

1341
01:00:49,144 --> 01:00:52,584
Speaker 1: to fly to Milk to Madison in whatever, and we

1342
01:00:52,624 --> 01:00:56,264
Speaker 1: have a thing. Yes, I'm making that decision to go

1343
01:00:56,304 --> 01:00:58,544
Speaker 1: to the industry. I'm not walking around the streets of

1344
01:00:58,624 --> 01:01:00,504
Speaker 1: LA where it's like, do you want to go to

1345
01:01:00,504 --> 01:01:03,584
Speaker 1: this thing that's right over there? I don't want to

1346
01:01:03,624 --> 01:01:05,304
Speaker 1: do it, but it is right over there, you know.

1347
01:01:05,384 --> 01:01:07,264
Speaker 1: Do you want to audition for this thing? I don't,

1348
01:01:07,264 --> 01:01:09,144
Speaker 1: but it is right over there. Like I have to

1349
01:01:09,184 --> 01:01:10,984
Speaker 1: make decisions. Do you want to go hang out at

1350
01:01:10,984 --> 01:01:13,424
Speaker 1: the Do you want to come to this white party

1351
01:01:13,424 --> 01:01:16,744
Speaker 1: hosted by this person who has who has maybe been

1352
01:01:16,744 --> 01:01:19,264
Speaker 1: accused of doing things. I don't even get those invitations

1353
01:01:19,264 --> 01:01:24,544
Speaker 1: because I mean, for many reasons. So if your goal

1354
01:01:24,704 --> 01:01:26,784
Speaker 1: is to be as rich and successful, as rich and

1355
01:01:26,784 --> 01:01:29,064
Speaker 1: famous as possible, you're gonna start to end up in

1356
01:01:29,144 --> 01:01:30,744
Speaker 1: rooms with people who are just there to sort of

1357
01:01:30,744 --> 01:01:35,104
Speaker 1: help you achieve your goal. And those types of goals

1358
01:01:36,184 --> 01:01:41,224
Speaker 1: you start to like a lot of like decisions based

1359
01:01:41,224 --> 01:01:43,463
Speaker 1: on morality start to melt away, you know. And I'm

1360
01:01:43,464 --> 01:01:45,184
Speaker 1: not calling anybody. I'm not calling him a heart a

1361
01:01:45,184 --> 01:01:48,023
Speaker 1: bad person, but I'm saying, like, your decisions are just different, right,

1362
01:01:48,584 --> 01:01:50,784
Speaker 1: So I'm not even in a position I sort of

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01:01:51,104 --> 01:01:53,064
Speaker 1: like I'm not even positioned to get in the room

1364
01:01:53,384 --> 01:01:56,264
Speaker 1: to be around those things. But I've also actively avoided

1365
01:01:56,304 --> 01:01:57,984
Speaker 1: things where I'm like, I don't think I really want

1366
01:01:58,024 --> 01:02:00,464
Speaker 1: to do that, you know. So, like when you talk

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01:02:00,504 --> 01:02:02,224
Speaker 1: about my level of fame, I think I thought hard

1368
01:02:02,224 --> 01:02:04,024
Speaker 1: to be this level of famous, and I feel like

1369
01:02:04,104 --> 01:02:06,664
Speaker 1: it's like if Tom Cruise is here, I fought hard

1370
01:02:06,704 --> 01:02:09,704
Speaker 1: to just sort of you know. So the thing I

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01:02:09,744 --> 01:02:12,664
Speaker 1: think is interesting and this is sort of is that

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01:02:12,904 --> 01:02:15,504
Speaker 1: it really hit home for me. The whole thing with

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01:02:15,504 --> 01:02:18,624
Speaker 1: with with Tony Hnscliff. I feel like he's gotta he's

1374
01:02:18,624 --> 01:02:21,064
Speaker 1: got to. Oh that's his. I don't want to put

1375
01:02:21,104 --> 01:02:23,624
Speaker 1: too much on Kevin Hart. Tony Hinchcliffe said it right now.

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01:02:23,944 --> 01:02:26,383
Speaker 1: Netflix had access to all the jokes, and they did.

1377
01:02:26,464 --> 01:02:29,383
Speaker 1: They cut some jokes out. So somebody somewhere Netflix said

1378
01:02:29,384 --> 01:02:31,184
Speaker 1: this joke is too there's a joke about Malania that

1379
01:02:31,224 --> 01:02:38,864
Speaker 1: apparently got cut out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, interesting. Yeah,

1380
01:02:38,904 --> 01:02:40,784
Speaker 1: So there have jokes that have been come out. There's

1381
01:02:40,824 --> 01:02:42,304
Speaker 1: like a list of jokes that they cut out that

1382
01:02:42,384 --> 01:02:44,224
Speaker 1: don't seem any worse, but it's just clearly like it's

1383
01:02:44,224 --> 01:02:46,423
Speaker 1: because the people in power are like not power. So

1384
01:02:46,824 --> 01:02:49,624
Speaker 1: that joke was approved dot I'm not saying Kevin not,

1385
01:02:49,744 --> 01:02:54,423
Speaker 1: but somebody approved it. So but then what I saw

1386
01:02:54,504 --> 01:02:56,024
Speaker 1: is there's some people in Minneapolis, and I just did

1387
01:02:56,024 --> 01:02:57,704
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of I was in Minneapolis filming some

1388
01:02:57,744 --> 01:03:00,704
Speaker 1: stuff and talked people in Minneapolis. After that, the Alex

1389
01:03:00,704 --> 01:03:03,264
Speaker 1: Pretty was murdered and Renee Good was murdered, and so

1390
01:03:03,304 --> 01:03:05,064
Speaker 1: Minneapolis is like right now in the middle of their

1391
01:03:05,104 --> 01:03:07,624
Speaker 1: like activism season because of all that, and there was

1392
01:03:07,624 --> 01:03:12,503
Speaker 1: a press conference held by George Floyd activists who are like, hey,

1393
01:03:13,464 --> 01:03:15,943
Speaker 1: we don't think that's funny at all, and they called

1394
01:03:15,944 --> 01:03:18,384
Speaker 1: it and it's black people, and they called out Kevin Hart.

1395
01:03:18,544 --> 01:03:21,383
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, by the time this airs, maybe

1396
01:03:21,424 --> 01:03:24,704
Speaker 1: he will have said something. I don't know, but it

1397
01:03:24,744 --> 01:03:27,023
Speaker 1: does the message even get to him that those black

1398
01:03:27,064 --> 01:03:30,224
Speaker 1: people are mad, like I don't, you know, Because you

1399
01:03:30,344 --> 01:03:32,104
Speaker 1: have to be able to be in the space where

1400
01:03:32,104 --> 01:03:33,584
Speaker 1: somebody can go, hey, can I show you this thing?

1401
01:03:35,024 --> 01:03:37,664
Speaker 1: This His algorithm may not bring that to him, you know,

1402
01:03:38,704 --> 01:03:40,184
Speaker 1: or it also maybe it brings to you but you

1403
01:03:40,184 --> 01:03:41,823
Speaker 1: scroll past it. But you have to be somebody has

1404
01:03:41,864 --> 01:03:43,224
Speaker 1: to go, hey, man, I think you need to address

1405
01:03:43,264 --> 01:03:47,304
Speaker 1: this because I don't know that he even take because

1406
01:03:47,304 --> 01:03:48,504
Speaker 1: he may, I don't know that he takes it in.

1407
01:03:48,544 --> 01:03:49,903
Speaker 1: And I get that I've never met him. I've met

1408
01:03:49,904 --> 01:03:52,064
Speaker 1: people who work with him, but I've never met him.

1409
01:03:52,384 --> 01:03:54,904
Speaker 1: And the thing that I think that we're all in

1410
01:03:54,904 --> 01:03:57,704
Speaker 1: the middle of is like, the reason why that George

1411
01:03:57,704 --> 01:04:04,624
Speaker 1: Floyd joke hurts so bad is because things aren't better.

1412
01:04:05,064 --> 01:04:08,664
Speaker 2: Correct, It almost feels like things are also good.

1413
01:04:09,304 --> 01:04:12,863
Speaker 1: No, they're they're o their backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they

1414
01:04:12,864 --> 01:04:15,624
Speaker 1: have they have fallen back. So it just feels like,

1415
01:04:17,144 --> 01:04:20,624
Speaker 1: damn it man and and and Kevin his name is

1416
01:04:20,664 --> 01:04:22,584
Speaker 1: and Kevin Hart's not related to George. It's not even

1417
01:04:22,624 --> 01:04:23,184
Speaker 1: like you can't.

1418
01:04:23,904 --> 01:04:26,304
Speaker 2: There is no connection whatsoever.

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01:04:26,544 --> 01:04:29,543
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it just feels like Tony Hnscliffe, which Puerto

1420
01:04:29,624 --> 01:04:31,224
Speaker 1: Rico's a trash island. Why are you saying that in

1421
01:04:31,224 --> 01:04:32,584
Speaker 1: a city like New York where there's all these Puerto

1422
01:04:32,624 --> 01:04:36,384
Speaker 1: Ricans and you have and what are you talking? And

1423
01:04:36,544 --> 01:04:39,704
Speaker 1: then later go, I have vacation there. It's actually yeah,

1424
01:04:39,784 --> 01:04:43,104
Speaker 1: So like it just he's reaching for It's like third rail.

1425
01:04:43,144 --> 01:04:45,784
Speaker 1: He's a third rail comedian. I just want to reach

1426
01:04:45,824 --> 01:04:48,144
Speaker 1: for the most shocking thing, and so that I can

1427
01:04:48,184 --> 01:04:50,863
Speaker 1: hold on to it. And because there's a period after

1428
01:04:50,904 --> 01:04:52,104
Speaker 1: you said the Porto Rico thing, it looks like his

1429
01:04:52,184 --> 01:04:54,184
Speaker 1: career is gonna like because Trump hadn't won yet. But

1430
01:04:54,224 --> 01:04:57,224
Speaker 1: then Trump won and Tony feels like, oh God, he's

1431
01:04:57,264 --> 01:04:58,064
Speaker 1: been vindicated.

1432
01:04:58,184 --> 01:05:01,024
Speaker 2: So can my eyes roll farther back into my head?

1433
01:05:01,144 --> 01:05:03,624
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I just think it comes down to, like,

1434
01:05:04,024 --> 01:05:05,343
Speaker 1: and this is the thing I realized, and part of

1435
01:05:05,344 --> 01:05:07,624
Speaker 1: this podcast is like I feel like comedians have done

1436
01:05:07,624 --> 01:05:10,424
Speaker 1: a lot of not all, Like there's some comedians who've

1437
01:05:10,424 --> 01:05:14,544
Speaker 1: really done some harmful shit in the discourse of this country.

1438
01:05:14,904 --> 01:05:19,144
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm fine with dirty joke tellers. I'm fine

1439
01:05:19,184 --> 01:05:20,823
Speaker 1: with jokes that I don't agree with. I mean, I

1440
01:05:20,864 --> 01:05:22,503
Speaker 1: came up in comedy clubs. I don't have to agree

1441
01:05:22,504 --> 01:05:26,664
Speaker 1: with your joke. But when you then, like sit next

1442
01:05:26,704 --> 01:05:29,824
Speaker 1: to the president, who are sit next to a candidate

1443
01:05:29,864 --> 01:05:33,744
Speaker 1: who's actually talking about like repealing women's right to choose

1444
01:05:34,104 --> 01:05:37,704
Speaker 1: and taking DEI out of every day, out of schools

1445
01:05:37,704 --> 01:05:40,104
Speaker 1: and at a workplace, and he wants to do mass

1446
01:05:40,104 --> 01:05:42,704
Speaker 1: deportations and you're bringing him on your podcast or open

1447
01:05:42,704 --> 01:05:49,624
Speaker 1: form at the thinkta problem. Believe me, I love twisted

1448
01:05:49,624 --> 01:05:54,543
Speaker 1: dirty joke tellers where you're like, but people are being

1449
01:05:54,784 --> 01:05:57,624
Speaker 1: harmed every day, and I don't think these people are

1450
01:05:57,624 --> 01:06:00,383
Speaker 1: seeing it because we have different news feeds. But I

1451
01:06:00,424 --> 01:06:02,264
Speaker 1: just feel like part of this podcast, and I didn't

1452
01:06:02,264 --> 01:06:04,104
Speaker 1: know I's gonna do it with you, is to directly

1453
01:06:04,344 --> 01:06:07,264
Speaker 1: present an alternative view of how comedians can do it.

1454
01:06:08,064 --> 01:06:09,264
Speaker 1: But I didn't know you were going to be the king.

1455
01:06:09,464 --> 01:06:11,903
Speaker 2: I didn't either. But here's the thing. See, these are

1456
01:06:11,904 --> 01:06:14,823
Speaker 2: my follow up questions. One question, one answer, you led

1457
01:06:14,864 --> 01:06:16,463
Speaker 2: me to the next, and then I actually had like

1458
01:06:16,744 --> 01:06:18,024
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was going to go there either.

1459
01:06:18,144 --> 01:06:18,343
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1460
01:06:18,344 --> 01:06:21,544
Speaker 2: Wow, I just could not wrap my brain around it so.

1461
01:06:23,024 --> 01:06:25,383
Speaker 1: Well. Like I said, I would say to me, it's

1462
01:06:25,424 --> 01:06:28,624
Speaker 1: like a superhero thing. Some people are born with superpowers

1463
01:06:29,064 --> 01:06:32,664
Speaker 1: and join the X Men or the Avengers, and some

1464
01:06:32,704 --> 01:06:36,064
Speaker 1: people are born with superpowers and say, I can use

1465
01:06:36,104 --> 01:06:39,104
Speaker 1: this to a cru so much power and steal and

1466
01:06:39,104 --> 01:06:41,903
Speaker 1: and I can and I can use this to become

1467
01:06:42,104 --> 01:06:44,784
Speaker 1: a more powerful version myself and takee Because.

1468
01:06:44,544 --> 01:06:46,304
Speaker 2: To your point where you were saying when I asked you,

1469
01:06:46,584 --> 01:06:49,064
Speaker 2: I think the original question is how do you know

1470
01:06:49,104 --> 01:06:51,504
Speaker 2: your comedic timing? How do you know you pay attention

1471
01:06:51,584 --> 01:06:53,864
Speaker 2: to what you say and the reaction that you get.

1472
01:06:53,824 --> 01:06:55,104
Speaker 1: And then what reaction do you want to get?

1473
01:06:55,264 --> 01:06:56,624
Speaker 2: Right, And so I carry it like.

1474
01:06:56,544 --> 01:06:59,064
Speaker 1: Some comedians like the like they get they get caught

1475
01:06:59,104 --> 01:07:01,864
Speaker 1: up in the in the in the cringe reaction or

1476
01:07:01,904 --> 01:07:04,584
Speaker 1: the because the shock is supposed to mean that you're good.

1477
01:07:05,104 --> 01:07:07,304
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you've shocked me as supposed to just

1478
01:07:07,344 --> 01:07:09,383
Speaker 1: like I just want people to laugh, and I want

1479
01:07:09,384 --> 01:07:10,823
Speaker 1: people to I want people laugh, and I want people

1480
01:07:10,864 --> 01:07:12,584
Speaker 1: to think, and I want people to actually like leave

1481
01:07:12,624 --> 01:07:14,863
Speaker 1: feeling hopeful, and I want people to like, like, we're

1482
01:07:14,904 --> 01:07:17,424
Speaker 1: gonna I'm asking a second an organization to support so

1483
01:07:17,464 --> 01:07:20,144
Speaker 1: you can help people. And I understand that that means that,

1484
01:07:20,304 --> 01:07:23,424
Speaker 1: like that there's gonna be a ceiling on my fame

1485
01:07:23,904 --> 01:07:25,503
Speaker 1: because I'm not just going to try to get into

1486
01:07:25,504 --> 01:07:27,304
Speaker 1: any every little thing I can, you know.

1487
01:07:27,944 --> 01:07:31,744
Speaker 2: But it's because you have morals and like, yeah, you

1488
01:07:31,744 --> 01:07:32,304
Speaker 2: have a dress.

1489
01:07:32,624 --> 01:07:34,664
Speaker 1: I was raised by a mom who came out of

1490
01:07:34,664 --> 01:07:37,144
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement and said you have two responsibilities

1491
01:07:37,184 --> 01:07:39,383
Speaker 1: to provide for your family and to make it better

1492
01:07:39,424 --> 01:07:41,423
Speaker 1: for your community. And then as I moved to the bank,

1493
01:07:41,464 --> 01:07:43,464
Speaker 1: I found out my community was including more people than

1494
01:07:43,464 --> 01:07:43,944
Speaker 1: I realized.

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01:07:44,064 --> 01:07:47,863
Speaker 2: Right, But what it's kind of similar to sometimes the

1496
01:07:47,904 --> 01:07:52,544
Speaker 2: greatest jokes and the greatest food kind of when we

1497
01:07:52,704 --> 01:07:54,983
Speaker 2: went back to that quick fire now are the ones

1498
01:07:55,024 --> 01:07:57,104
Speaker 2: that you just don't even have to think about. They

1499
01:07:57,264 --> 01:08:00,304
Speaker 2: just stick and they land and you're like, damn, yeah

1500
01:08:00,344 --> 01:08:03,144
Speaker 2: that was good, and then you think about it. Here

1501
01:08:03,184 --> 01:08:07,624
Speaker 2: we are three years later, I'm thinking about that dish yep.

1502
01:08:08,704 --> 01:08:10,744
Speaker 2: And some of the most important jokes are the ones

1503
01:08:10,784 --> 01:08:13,144
Speaker 2: you think about later and it actually changes the way

1504
01:08:13,184 --> 01:08:16,903
Speaker 2: you think about something or how you move through the world,

1505
01:08:17,064 --> 01:08:19,063
Speaker 2: or just like I think it stops you in your tracks.

1506
01:08:19,104 --> 01:08:20,504
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to like what Because I

1507
01:08:20,544 --> 01:08:22,184
Speaker 1: just want to wrap up that this whole point about

1508
01:08:22,344 --> 01:08:26,504
Speaker 1: about Tony Hinchcliffe is that I just have seen since

1509
01:08:26,784 --> 01:08:31,304
Speaker 1: the Trump era some comedians are more interested in access

1510
01:08:31,424 --> 01:08:35,864
Speaker 1: to power than they even care about being funny. And

1511
01:08:35,904 --> 01:08:39,744
Speaker 1: I'm a comic who like supports policies I agree in.

1512
01:08:40,224 --> 01:08:43,624
Speaker 1: But I don't want to go to anybody's inauguration. Yeah nope,

1513
01:08:43,664 --> 01:08:46,584
Speaker 1: not even people agree with Why is that because I

1514
01:08:46,624 --> 01:08:49,384
Speaker 1: don't want I don't want to be seen as that

1515
01:08:49,424 --> 01:08:53,464
Speaker 1: person's surrogate, Right, I will vote for you. I might

1516
01:08:53,464 --> 01:08:55,504
Speaker 1: even tell people to vote for you, but I don't.

1517
01:08:55,664 --> 01:08:57,104
Speaker 1: But I don't want to look like I'm trying to

1518
01:08:57,104 --> 01:09:00,344
Speaker 1: get access to your power, like like I'm trying to

1519
01:09:00,384 --> 01:09:02,024
Speaker 1: like you know, or that you know. I don't want

1520
01:09:02,024 --> 01:09:03,384
Speaker 1: need to be in the I don't need I'm not

1521
01:09:03,504 --> 01:09:04,744
Speaker 1: really a VIP section guy.

1522
01:09:05,704 --> 01:09:08,224
Speaker 2: If you ran for president, I would show up at

1523
01:09:08,264 --> 01:09:10,624
Speaker 2: all of your pre things and I would show off.

1524
01:09:10,504 --> 01:09:14,024
Speaker 1: At your well thank you. And that's an alternate timeline

1525
01:09:14,024 --> 01:09:17,664
Speaker 1: because not happened here. So you want to do stand

1526
01:09:17,704 --> 01:09:19,104
Speaker 1: up comedy, huh No.

1527
01:09:19,344 --> 01:09:19,823
Speaker 2: I don't.

1528
01:09:19,944 --> 01:09:20,584
Speaker 1: I think you do.

1529
01:09:20,704 --> 01:09:24,344
Speaker 2: I don't you do. I think that improv in my

1530
01:09:24,464 --> 01:09:28,064
Speaker 2: world of reality television is something that is very much

1531
01:09:28,144 --> 01:09:31,184
Speaker 2: like a it's a superpower.

1532
01:09:31,304 --> 01:09:32,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I.

1533
01:09:32,184 --> 01:09:35,304
Speaker 2: Don't want to be funny. I just have learned and

1534
01:09:35,424 --> 01:09:41,344
Speaker 2: honed throughout my time on television that the greatest time

1535
01:09:41,504 --> 01:09:43,544
Speaker 2: that I have is when I'm less in my head

1536
01:09:43,544 --> 01:09:46,744
Speaker 2: and I'm more in the moment reacting to certain things.

1537
01:09:47,024 --> 01:09:49,024
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I had this when you're talking about

1538
01:09:49,024 --> 01:09:51,384
Speaker 1: the superpower because I think because there's a thing that

1539
01:09:51,424 --> 01:09:54,984
Speaker 1: happens to me and my daughter follow this Instagram person

1540
01:09:55,424 --> 01:09:59,144
Speaker 1: who her whole profile is really clearly trolling people, but

1541
01:09:59,264 --> 01:10:00,864
Speaker 1: the discussing things she does with food.

1542
01:10:02,184 --> 01:10:03,704
Speaker 2: I have a couple of those people on my feed,

1543
01:10:03,824 --> 01:10:04,144
Speaker 2: and I.

1544
01:10:04,104 --> 01:10:07,144
Speaker 1: Feel like that's the that's they're like the Tony Hinchcliffe

1545
01:10:07,144 --> 01:10:10,544
Speaker 1: of food, Like why are you doing that? But you

1546
01:10:10,544 --> 01:10:12,984
Speaker 1: have all the elephants? Why would you? Why would you

1547
01:10:13,064 --> 01:10:14,664
Speaker 1: deep fry that? Why would you put that on a

1548
01:10:14,704 --> 01:10:17,584
Speaker 1: Blackstone grille? Yeah? Like, and I feel like that's the

1549
01:10:17,584 --> 01:10:20,184
Speaker 1: equivalent of like the of the of the Maga comedian,

1550
01:10:20,304 --> 01:10:21,224
Speaker 1: like you just why.

1551
01:10:21,144 --> 01:10:23,664
Speaker 2: Would you don't say that that's a beautiful problem.

1552
01:10:23,384 --> 01:10:26,864
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing you started with and you ruined it. So, man,

1553
01:10:27,304 --> 01:10:32,064
Speaker 1: this podcast really turned a direction. Uh So, my penultimate

1554
01:10:32,144 --> 01:10:35,224
Speaker 1: question for you this is called Who's with Me? We

1555
01:10:35,264 --> 01:10:38,144
Speaker 1: want people to know things they can do support in

1556
01:10:38,184 --> 01:10:41,224
Speaker 1: the world, give us some foundation or a cause you

1557
01:10:41,264 --> 01:10:42,464
Speaker 1: think people spaid more attention to.

1558
01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:45,264
Speaker 2: Okay, so it really to me and this kind of

1559
01:10:45,304 --> 01:10:46,944
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a story leading up to

1560
01:10:46,984 --> 01:10:50,664
Speaker 2: why a lot of the organizations that I like to

1561
01:10:50,664 --> 01:10:55,264
Speaker 2: support are ones in service of kids. I had an

1562
01:10:55,264 --> 01:10:59,584
Speaker 2: incredible childhood and everything that I trace back to. I

1563
01:10:59,624 --> 01:11:02,504
Speaker 2: think all the bits of goodness that I am and

1564
01:11:02,544 --> 01:11:08,664
Speaker 2: that I have become are because my parents similar to you,

1565
01:11:08,984 --> 01:11:15,024
Speaker 2: instilled values in the same way that they never made

1566
01:11:15,064 --> 01:11:18,064
Speaker 2: me feel like I had to be better or do

1567
01:11:18,144 --> 01:11:21,184
Speaker 2: something worthy of their love, like the true unconditional love.

1568
01:11:21,704 --> 01:11:24,184
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example. Then when I was

1569
01:11:24,184 --> 01:11:27,264
Speaker 2: a kid, I would I would cook horrible food for

1570
01:11:27,384 --> 01:11:31,704
Speaker 2: my parents, and I would do really badly in ballet school,

1571
01:11:32,024 --> 01:11:35,384
Speaker 2: and they were still very proud of me, and you

1572
01:11:35,424 --> 01:11:37,584
Speaker 2: could I could feel it when they said I was

1573
01:11:37,624 --> 01:11:41,144
Speaker 2: just really so proud of you. They say that exact

1574
01:11:41,424 --> 01:11:46,184
Speaker 2: with the exact same feeling as to when now as

1575
01:11:46,184 --> 01:11:49,304
Speaker 2: an adult, I get an Emmy nomination or I get

1576
01:11:49,344 --> 01:11:52,504
Speaker 2: a job or something. So I never feel like I

1577
01:11:52,584 --> 01:11:55,864
Speaker 2: have to just constantly one up myself in order to

1578
01:11:55,864 --> 01:11:58,984
Speaker 2: have their love. And I believe truly the foundation of

1579
01:11:59,024 --> 01:12:03,784
Speaker 2: a really great person is having complete, true unconditional love

1580
01:12:04,104 --> 01:12:09,384
Speaker 2: surrounding you. And that can be mentors, family, friends, parents, cousins,

1581
01:12:09,424 --> 01:12:13,024
Speaker 2: friend whatever, it doesn't matter. So that being said, one

1582
01:12:13,064 --> 01:12:15,344
Speaker 2: of the foundations that I'm incredibly passionate about is the

1583
01:12:15,344 --> 01:12:18,304
Speaker 2: Emery Lagasi Foundation. He's not only supporting the community in

1584
01:12:18,344 --> 01:12:22,464
Speaker 2: New Orleans, but also nationwide. He is a global name,

1585
01:12:23,224 --> 01:12:27,424
Speaker 2: and so what their foundation does is collects resources to

1586
01:12:27,584 --> 01:12:31,624
Speaker 2: then spread out to several other different resources, all supporting

1587
01:12:31,784 --> 01:12:34,464
Speaker 2: the kids in the community, whether that be after school programs,

1588
01:12:35,024 --> 01:12:38,744
Speaker 2: things that are culinary related, or just places for them

1589
01:12:38,784 --> 01:12:42,224
Speaker 2: to go for mentorship and community. And I think that

1590
01:12:42,424 --> 01:12:51,504
Speaker 2: is the foundation of creating good people. Another one is,

1591
01:12:51,944 --> 01:12:55,544
Speaker 2: because we're in New York City, City Harvest that collects

1592
01:12:56,304 --> 01:12:59,424
Speaker 2: food they call it rescuing food for over forty years

1593
01:12:59,464 --> 01:13:01,264
Speaker 2: from all over the city and then dispersing to food

1594
01:13:01,264 --> 01:13:03,584
Speaker 2: pantries and different communities that are in need. I think

1595
01:13:03,624 --> 01:13:06,904
Speaker 2: anybody being hungry in this country, let alone to New

1596
01:13:06,984 --> 01:13:11,064
Speaker 2: York City, is absolutely outrageous. With the amount of abundance,

1597
01:13:11,824 --> 01:13:15,664
Speaker 2: food is the number one thing that goes into the landfills.

1598
01:13:16,984 --> 01:13:19,104
Speaker 2: It's just it is heart wrenching. One of four children

1599
01:13:19,144 --> 01:13:20,544
Speaker 2: don't know where that their next meal is going to

1600
01:13:20,624 --> 01:13:25,064
Speaker 2: come from, which is heart wrenching and completely unnecessary. So

1601
01:13:25,144 --> 01:13:27,344
Speaker 2: those are two that I feel very passionate about because

1602
01:13:27,344 --> 01:13:28,784
Speaker 2: I feel like they're doing a lot of great work.

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01:13:29,624 --> 01:13:33,024
Speaker 1: Thank you. Can I ask you one more question? Yeah,

1604
01:13:33,264 --> 01:13:35,544
Speaker 1: because you brought up something that this is another subject

1605
01:13:35,544 --> 01:13:36,984
Speaker 1: that has come to mind, and I've heard you talking

1606
01:13:36,984 --> 01:13:40,224
Speaker 1: about this, and if this is too big a subject yep,

1607
01:13:40,224 --> 01:13:42,504
Speaker 1: myself to come back for another podcast. But I have

1608
01:13:42,544 --> 01:13:48,903
Speaker 1: a lot of friends who are translationally adopted. Yeah. My goddaughter, Olivia,

1609
01:13:48,904 --> 01:13:50,584
Speaker 1: who I wrote about in the book Who Is Government

1610
01:13:50,584 --> 01:13:52,424
Speaker 1: that I wrote with Michael was invited to write with

1611
01:13:52,464 --> 01:13:56,584
Speaker 1: Michael Lewis, is black born in Florida, adopted by two

1612
01:13:56,664 --> 01:14:00,624
Speaker 1: white lesbians from Maine who then realized you can't raise

1613
01:14:00,624 --> 01:14:03,544
Speaker 1: a black daughter in Maine. Wow, and then moved to Oakland,

1614
01:14:03,544 --> 01:14:05,664
Speaker 1: which is how I met and met them and their

1615
01:14:05,864 --> 01:14:09,584
Speaker 1: family friend. Olivia's my goddaughter, and she's now in law school.

1616
01:14:11,384 --> 01:14:14,864
Speaker 1: And I've heard you talk about your being a being

1617
01:14:14,864 --> 01:14:18,504
Speaker 1: an adopted you know, transracially, and there's a lot of

1618
01:14:18,544 --> 01:14:20,184
Speaker 1: talk there's I don't know if you saw that clip

1619
01:14:20,264 --> 01:14:23,064
Speaker 1: David French came out with recently. David French, you reast

1620
01:14:23,104 --> 01:14:26,424
Speaker 1: for the New York Times. He's white, his wife's white.

1621
01:14:26,424 --> 01:14:29,024
Speaker 1: They adopted a black daughter for me Ethiopia. And he said,

1622
01:14:29,584 --> 01:14:33,344
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he's a conservative. I didn't realize racism

1623
01:14:33,584 --> 01:14:35,864
Speaker 1: was actually as bad as it is until one day

1624
01:14:35,864 --> 01:14:37,984
Speaker 1: I picked my daughter from school. She was crying. Her

1625
01:14:37,984 --> 01:14:39,664
Speaker 1: and her Latina friend were crying because the truck had

1626
01:14:39,704 --> 01:14:41,944
Speaker 1: driven past and called her the N word, right, And

1627
01:14:41,984 --> 01:14:44,584
Speaker 1: that was his first realization that racism was like a

1628
01:14:44,624 --> 01:14:47,144
Speaker 1: thing that wasn't just a thing that people that black

1629
01:14:47,144 --> 01:14:49,824
Speaker 1: people were making a big deal out of. And I

1630
01:14:49,864 --> 01:14:52,544
Speaker 1: had feelings about that. And I know, translation adoptees, you

1631
01:14:52,584 --> 01:14:54,784
Speaker 1: feel like one of the challenges of being a translation

1632
01:14:54,824 --> 01:14:57,264
Speaker 1: adoptee is that your parents to just think of you

1633
01:14:57,344 --> 01:14:59,024
Speaker 1: as like they don't think of your race.

1634
01:14:59,704 --> 01:15:02,863
Speaker 2: Oh no, my parents absolutely from the moment I was adopted,

1635
01:15:04,824 --> 01:15:07,784
Speaker 2: them saying adopt the word adoption before I even recognized

1636
01:15:07,824 --> 01:15:10,784
Speaker 2: what that even meant. They're filling the home that s

1637
01:15:11,104 --> 01:15:14,824
Speaker 2: consciously I'm picking up on with, you know, dolls that

1638
01:15:14,864 --> 01:15:18,104
Speaker 2: look like me and introducing me to different books. My

1639
01:15:18,144 --> 01:15:20,224
Speaker 2: mom would read me the Korean Cinderella growing up, not

1640
01:15:20,264 --> 01:15:24,384
Speaker 2: the regular Cinderella, you know. And they did everything that

1641
01:15:24,424 --> 01:15:26,824
Speaker 2: they knew how to do. I also grew up in

1642
01:15:26,864 --> 01:15:30,904
Speaker 2: a place that wasn't perhaps like Maine and you know,

1643
01:15:31,024 --> 01:15:33,264
Speaker 2: with very little people that look like you. I grew

1644
01:15:33,344 --> 01:15:35,504
Speaker 2: up with other adopted friends. I grew up with other

1645
01:15:35,584 --> 01:15:38,304
Speaker 2: Korean Americans that were very much in our neighborhood. I

1646
01:15:38,344 --> 01:15:42,624
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing I think for something that I

1647
01:15:42,664 --> 01:15:46,464
Speaker 2: have had to learn, and I think it's probably accelerated

1648
01:15:46,504 --> 01:15:52,864
Speaker 2: how I find my voice and being outspoken is the

1649
01:15:53,184 --> 01:15:56,424
Speaker 2: assumption or the stereotype that I am submissive, that I

1650
01:15:56,464 --> 01:15:59,904
Speaker 2: am more subtle that when I speak up as a woman,

1651
01:16:00,064 --> 01:16:02,224
Speaker 2: as a woman in the kitchen and being an Asian

1652
01:16:02,264 --> 01:16:06,904
Speaker 2: American woman, that got, oh, oh, you're not supposed to

1653
01:16:06,904 --> 01:16:09,304
Speaker 2: do that, like, oh my god.

1654
01:16:09,464 --> 01:16:10,824
Speaker 1: You can I tell you something? Oh my god?

1655
01:16:11,024 --> 01:16:14,984
Speaker 2: H like me giving an opinion or having a pushback

1656
01:16:15,024 --> 01:16:19,264
Speaker 2: on something, I will never it comes. It's coming up

1657
01:16:19,304 --> 01:16:21,224
Speaker 2: a little bit more, or maybe I'm more aware of

1658
01:16:21,264 --> 01:16:24,304
Speaker 2: it now as an adult. But I could say the

1659
01:16:24,344 --> 01:16:28,024
Speaker 2: exact same thing. And I have said, you know, fuck

1660
01:16:28,184 --> 01:16:30,784
Speaker 2: a million times, whether that be in a really great

1661
01:16:30,784 --> 01:16:33,104
Speaker 2: way or in like a really aggravated, pissed off way.

1662
01:16:33,624 --> 01:16:35,944
Speaker 2: But when I say it, people react differently than if

1663
01:16:35,944 --> 01:16:38,584
Speaker 2: someone else says it, versus when somebody else says it.

1664
01:16:39,104 --> 01:16:48,104
Speaker 2: And so for me, it is my service to be

1665
01:16:48,584 --> 01:16:51,984
Speaker 2: like to. I don't want to say the opposite of

1666
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:55,664
Speaker 2: submissive because like right, and I'm allowed to do that.

1667
01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:57,903
Speaker 2: And the more I do it, the more it becomes familiar,

1668
01:16:57,904 --> 01:16:59,824
Speaker 2: and the more and more people recognize that that is

1669
01:17:00,904 --> 01:17:04,424
Speaker 2: something that's everybody else can do. I think that's the

1670
01:17:04,424 --> 01:17:06,104
Speaker 2: biggest thing that I had to fight against as I

1671
01:17:06,104 --> 01:17:08,504
Speaker 2: got older, less so growing up in Michigan as an

1672
01:17:08,504 --> 01:17:12,464
Speaker 2: Asian American, but now as an adult, especially on television

1673
01:17:12,944 --> 01:17:18,344
Speaker 2: on a network that I am, Robert doesn't have a

1674
01:17:18,384 --> 01:17:21,624
Speaker 2: lot of Asian Americans in comparison to the other casts,

1675
01:17:22,024 --> 01:17:25,344
Speaker 2: and so for me, like, yeah, I'm gonna go toe

1676
01:17:25,344 --> 01:17:25,784
Speaker 2: to toe.

1677
01:17:25,904 --> 01:17:28,984
Speaker 1: You're gonna if you want to say, you're gonna say yeah,

1678
01:17:31,104 --> 01:17:38,064
Speaker 1: get used to it. Okay, I love it, man, I

1679
01:17:38,064 --> 01:17:40,064
Speaker 1: can keep talking. And so we were things to say.

1680
01:17:40,064 --> 01:17:41,704
Speaker 1: I had another plan for this interview, but you just

1681
01:17:41,744 --> 01:17:43,584
Speaker 1: sort of made it the Christians Show.

1682
01:17:43,704 --> 01:17:44,184
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

1683
01:17:44,264 --> 01:17:46,024
Speaker 1: I didn't know where we're going to go. I thought

1684
01:17:46,024 --> 01:17:47,664
Speaker 1: I had a plan, and you just sort of like.

1685
01:17:47,704 --> 01:17:50,504
Speaker 2: The best ones are the improvisation. Is that a word?

1686
01:17:50,504 --> 01:17:50,984
Speaker 2: Am I saying that?

1687
01:17:51,064 --> 01:17:51,184
Speaker 1: Right?

1688
01:17:51,184 --> 01:17:55,504
Speaker 2: IMP, that's the word improvisation or improvisation improvisation. I put

1689
01:17:55,504 --> 01:18:00,104
Speaker 2: the wrongs on the fast.

1690
01:18:00,344 --> 01:18:02,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, conversation. I think now I feel like now the

1691
01:18:02,944 --> 01:18:04,704
Speaker 1: thing were talked about, I forgot how to walk for

1692
01:18:04,784 --> 01:18:06,024
Speaker 1: some how do I swallow?

1693
01:18:06,464 --> 01:18:07,744
Speaker 2: And we've come full certain.

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Speaker 1: Uh and my last my last question the podcast, this

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Speaker 1: is called Who's with Me? Are You with Me?

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Speaker 2: I will forever be with you.

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Speaker 1: You're my retirement plan. So you know, I have three

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Speaker 1: kids in you, so like I'm just so you can

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Speaker 1: talk to the other girls about who has to like

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Speaker 1: you know, but like I'll live with them, but I'll

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Speaker 1: have to have a job with you. That's my plan. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for listening watching Who's with Me?

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Speaker 1: With Me? Wie Ca Mabell. Shout out to Rabbagrant Productions,

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Speaker 1: who's producing this with me and my company who knows

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Speaker 1: best productions. Shout out to Malcolm Gladwell's Pushkin's Industries, who's

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Speaker 1: bringing this episode to you right now. Shout out to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Just shout out