WEBVTT - T & A's High Thoughts | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.840 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.080 with Resent Choice Media. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.880 Welcome, Welcome, Well come, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.840 Welcome home, Everybody, This is our mini pod. You know, 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.600 our boy Andrew is out. He is on a field 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.960 trip with Jackson and Caroline, my niece and nephew, and 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.560 in his absence, we still need to talk about something 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.360 that I know Andrew's doing regularly on his solo pods, 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.520 which is to talk about organizing. And while we're not 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.120 hitting that directly, Tiff, I think that it's really important 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.840 for us to examine, to stretch, to hold ourselves accountable 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:43.040 in this moment around tools. We keep talking about so 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.680 many people, not just we on this podcast, but folks 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.479 on the ground, folks in the streets, folks at polls 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:53.000 are saying that they're disappointed with democratic leadership. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.880 Where are the Democrats? Where is the fight? 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.639 And then when we go to people we say well, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.840 where's your fight or what are you doing? 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.120 We find some of those things are lacking. So I 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:03.600 thought what. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.000 Was interesting is there is this letter and hopefully we 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.120 can put it up for the guests who are viewing 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:15.200 the podcast. But Congressman Jeffries who is the Democratic leader 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:20.560 in the House, recently dropped a letter to Speaker Johnson, 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:26.760 and he is challenging Speaker Johnson to a colloquy, which 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:27.920 it would be on the House. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.880 Floor, and it's basically a budget debate. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.399 I don't at this point Speaker Johnson, Mike Johnson has 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.160 not taken him up on that yet. But what I 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.880 think is interesting is members on the House side tip 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.640 and I don't know if you're hearing this, but a 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.520 lot of members of Congress are saying Corey Booker's getting 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.720 a lot of shine for a rule that works in 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.000 his favor. On the Senate side, we can't fill a 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.040 buster or debate for hours at a time, especially not 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.000 for twenty four hours. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.480 On the House side, we're not allowed to do that. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.160 So this is to me Hakim's way of saying, I'm 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.720 going to challenge you in the way that I can 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.080 with the tools that we that we have. Because our 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.080 rules on the House side are different than they are 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 on the Senate side. They different in the streets, they 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.360 different in orcs, they different at home. So how do 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.639 people meet the moment tiff with the rules that they 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:16.160 have to play. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.160 I'm going to say because I might lose you in 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.520 my a man corner, because I got some thoughts about this. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.920 So essentially, it sounds like Leader Jeffries is saying to 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.160 the speaker, I'm challenging you to a verbal duel in 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.840 which I'm pure basically, and he would whip Mike Johnson's 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.000 ass all across that floor. You know, we remember Leader 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:40.040 Jeffries that had a prominent role on during the impeachment hearings. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.120 He has he's gifted as an orcer. But I am 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.760 going to say, because this is a moment where I 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.639 think we have to go hard or go home, right, 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.519 And so we talked about Senator Booker meeting the moment, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.160 and I said on that that day that we talked 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.240 about that on that podcast, I talked about how. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.400 It made me feel hopeful. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:08.480 And then one of my former colleagues, Aimon moy Deen, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:13.160 who is like just an exceptional reporter. He still hosts 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.320 the show on that shitty network that shall not be 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.240 be named, but he does have an amazing show. They 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.000 just shout out to Aimen because he is he's a 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.080 g you know, like he really is. He doesn't quote 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.560 rap lyrics every five minutes, but he loves hip hop 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.040 and you know he's just a dope guy. So but 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.959 this is these are the questions that came up after 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.720 Senator Booker, and you know, god forbid we'd have actual 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:42.640 journalists probing him. But Amon pointed out the questions that 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.640 he thought the journalists in the room should have asked 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.240 Senator Booker. One, why confirm another Trump nominee right after 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:49.800 your speech? 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:55.640 Two? Why miss your committee's anti trust hearing on big tech? Three? 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:00.280 Why barely mentioned Gaza or my Mood Khalil will be 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.920 tried in your home state? Why was he not mentioned? 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.240 Mamu Khalil. Of course we talked about him. He is 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:12.160 the Columbia student who was deported or detained by ice, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.279 kidnapped by ice. How do you justify voting with Trump, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.479 Republicans and establishment Democrats to send billions in weapons to 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.920 Israel just days after your speech? I think these are 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.320 all legitimate questions. So when we talk about a leader, Jeffries, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.640 I think we have to start thinking again, tapping into 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.560 our imagination and not participating in this system, this established 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:41.279 system that still again is responsible for the murder of 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.159 hundreds of Palestinian children and children all across this globe, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.360 if we really want to be honest, because even though 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.760 the pro Palestinian protests exclude what's happening in the Congo, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.160 exclude what's happening in Sudan and South Sudan, and there's 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.640 there's and that's not a disc to the pro Palatinian 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.880 pro Palaestinian protester. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.400 That is a challenge to all of us. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.960 So if in this moment we're saying, look, you know this, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.839 this entire system is about to break, then we have 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.640 to hold everybody accountable and their role in it. If 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.080 we're trying to have some truth and reconciliation, then there 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.440 are some people on our side of the divide. I'm 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.919 you know, I don't claim the Democrats, but I vote Democratic. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.600 There's some people on our side of the divide that 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.320 we're going to have to start to challenge in question. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.080 So when I say meet the moment, I think for 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:30.320 me personally, trying again, I'm trying to believe. I don't 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.760 necessarily know that this system can be saved. I don't 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.120 know that it is worth saving. So a part of 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.000 me feels like once it breaks, then there will be 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.400 a moment to meet the only moment I'm trying to 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.360 meet right now, which I think we share this, but 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.520 you tell me if I'm wrong. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.279 Is harm reduction for our people? 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.799 I think that still means, which still means there's something 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.160 about the construct because if you're if you're if the 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.080 movement is harm reduction, that means that there's something about 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:02.880 the system that you think is worth saving. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:03.640 For those who. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:09.120 Didn't hear our last pod, Tiff talked about being willing 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.479 to lay her physical body down in front of the 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.640 Blacksnian the National Museum of African American History and Culture. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.720 So there are things about this system that are worth 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.880 preserving and we're fighting for for us, and we probably 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.200 want them expanded. So I think we have to start 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.120 even being more nuanced in our approach with that language. Yeah, right, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.880 Like I want to keep affirmative action. I actually like 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.440 the bill HR forty that Congressman Conyer started introducing in 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.919 nineteen eighty nine. I want to see that pass. I 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.479 would like to see legislation make its way through the 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.599 process and amended so that it is better for us. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.599 I would like to ensure that the Voting Rights Act 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.000 that our fore bears fought for in nineteen. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.240 Sixty five is here. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.640 And has all of its pieces, not the gutted version 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.840 from Shelby versus Holder in twenty thirteen. So I think 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.720 that we have to And I'm saying this to you, Tip, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.480 but I'm saying it to myself too, because I'm. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:05.120 Like, let it all go. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.000 But I'm like that Greta letting it all go from 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.000 two months ago, and I'm spiraling. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.360 Right, So I'm like, is that really our truth? 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.080 Or is it that we're so frustrated with the most 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.600 abusive parts of it? 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.520 And is that what we want to let go? Or 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:19.960 do we think we would be. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:24.200 Better served starting from scratch with veterans benefits, starting from scratch, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:30.240 with houselessness and housing affordability, starting from scratch with access 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.520 to capital, starting from scratch with paying people a livabo wage. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.760 Is it better to start from scratch or is it 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.520 better to build upon what we have, even if what 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:40.480 we have is flawed? 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:40.960 Yeah? 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.480 Right, I don't know, Yeah, And I think that's that's 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.800 more of a philosophical question, which I love and I 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:46.880 want to try to answer that. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.400 I think it is better to start from scratch. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.160 I don't know if that's the board across the board, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.400 I'll tell you why I don't. I read more than 0:07:55.440 --> 0:08:00.720 I watch and so and a lot of reading it 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:07.240 challenges my thoughts around democracy and around the political and 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:11.160 economic system of capitalism. And so when I look at, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.920 you know, what is happening here in our country. You 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.760 cannot have capitalism without racism. And so those two conjoined 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:24.240 twins fund and fuel the system. So I don't know 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:29.440 that you can fix that system without those things, and 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.120 so I don't know that I want to be a 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.079 part of preserving it. And when I say I read 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.320 a lot, I'm not just reading like you know, brainy, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.640 heady books like I love fiction. I love to read fiction. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.280 And one of my favorite books. If you know me 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.320 and you have read talked about reading books with me, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.160 then you know The Poison What Bible is one of 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.040 my favorite books. And in that book I may have 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.480 talked about it on the pod if I. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:49.840 Did, forgive me for being redundant. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.640 But in that book, it's about this white Christian family 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.719 who goes to the Congo to teach the local savages 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.079 and quotes how to live properly, and a part of 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.280 that is about religion, and one of the chiefs there 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:03.920 in the Congos is during the rain of Lamum, but 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.240 one of the chiefs there is challenging this white pastor, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.800 saying nothing about your system makes sense to me. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.240 So you're telling me, in America. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.120 Y'all are okay with forty nine percent of the people 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.000 being unhappy just because fifty one percent of the people 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.240 voted for it, and that makes sense to you. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.360 You're also telling me. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.320 That this boy who is eighteen years old, who ain't 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.720 lived none of the life I lived, you're telling me 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.680 that his opinion counts just as much as mine a chief, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.200 And it really did kind of lift a veil off me, saying, Yeah, 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.280 I've been so indoctrinated by how America does things that 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.920 I think that's the only way. I read this book 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.160 when I was like twenty years old, and it just 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.239 opened my mind. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.280 That there are other ways. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.160 There are other systems, There are other rules of community 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.560 that we functioned in before we were kidnapped and brought 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.719 here and had the humanity beat out of us. We 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.360 had a whole system that worked for us. So I 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.640 don't know that this system is the thing to save, 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.120 but that it doesn't mean that I'm gonna sit on 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.760 my hands and watch it fall like I have no choice. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.040 I'm not a proponent of this system. I am the 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.440 system's hostage, and so as long as that exists, we 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.520 have to try to live within this four hundred year 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.079 nightmare as best we can. So I don't feel good 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.600 about sitting back and letting people starve. I don't feel 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.320 good about sitting back while people don't have clean drinking water. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.320 I don't feel good about sitting back while people are losing, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:30.120 like you said, with you know, the unhoused, or increase 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.760 in crime or drug addiction, like all the things I'm 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.240 seeing just in my neighborhood. I feel like there's a 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.000 role to play. And I know it's a lot of 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.720 pressure on you, Angel, I really do. I know you 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.680 don't complain and all of that, but I do feel 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.480 like there are a lot of people looking to you 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.880 right now to say, well, what do we do? And 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.520 I think you have really met the moment, not by 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.160 saying I have all the answers, but you know, let's 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.200 at least try to figure something out. And I for 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.320 all the people complaining and all, like, at least that 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.959 is happening. At least you are saying, let's put one 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.000 flit in front of the next and figure out something. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.640 And what has emerged from that are other leaders. You know, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.160 other people have said, well, angel this might not be 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.680 your wheelhouse, but I can do this, this and this, 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.280 you know for sure, you know, Angela, I know this 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.360 is in your wheelhouse, but you have your hands full. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.199 So I'm gonna lead this effort. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.760 And so those things are happening, and I'm just I'm 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.000 proud and privileged to be a part of that and 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.640 plug in where I can. But I definitely understand people 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.320 in the dizzying array of like what the fuck like 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:28.000 every day? 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:40.640 Yeah, I mean it is, it is at WWTF every day, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.640 And I guess the thing that I'm wrestling with is 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.760 trying to you know, listening to you and trying to 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:52.080 hear my own intention and wondering like, is it my 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.839 fear that makes me feel like treating America as a 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.800 startup is not a good idea? Or is it the 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.880 as in moment of like what doge is dozing? 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:03.800 You know? 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.960 Does that feel like that feels remarkably irresponsible? And then 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.400 it's like the wild wild West out here? Yeah, but 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.760 like there are there's progress that our forebears made that 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.120 I don't want to get rid of there's you know, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.160 when I think about even when they when they brought 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.840 up that cancer research funding could be hit given my 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.840 mom's current situation or the number of people I'm talking 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.480 to who just got a cancer diagnosis, I don't really 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.439 want to start that over from scratch. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.880 Just from time, like just from a time standpoint. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.839 I want to make sure that people are good right now, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.040 for you know, the folks who are in an IVF process, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.640 or who are are struggling with being able to breathe 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.240 and are on oxygen, or they're in dialysis or have 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.320 high blood pressure and they need medication and access to 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.520 prescription drugs or access to some type of holistic treatment. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.440 Completely dismantling our healthcare system in the middle of a 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.360 health crisis sounds like a horrible idea to me. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.000 I think that what I need. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.160 To try to pull apart is like, when we're talking 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.960 about the system, are we talking about the fruits of 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.640 the system too, or is that fruit of a poisonous tree? 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.240 Or are we saying this just this foundation is the 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.319 thing that I want to disrupt, But I'm not trying 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.959 to get rid of the fruits that have been beneficial 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.000 to our people. Even if they're not where they need 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.560 to be. We know that they are decent, we know 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.959 that they are good. Can we build on decent or 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.559 we also saying, regardless of the crisis somebody may be in, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.400 if they need their snap benefits, if they need that 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.000 veterans benefit because there's a mental health crisis happening, we 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.000 still want to get rid of all that, like to 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.640 the individual person, be damned. I don't know that I can. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.160 It feels I'm like, I feel like the anxiety going 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.040 like this in my chest. From that, I think. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.400 Yes, I hear that. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.640 I think that is a worthy anxiety because that does 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.000 leave a lot of questions. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:56.360 And what do we do? 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.079 I think the scary part is we are getting rid 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.800 of all that. Know like we are, we are not 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.199 they are, but it is eroding, and so as it 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.120 is eroding, how do we protect ourselves? And we at 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:13.199 least need to tap into our imagination to figure out repair. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.640 You know, if this is eroding with next if we. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:21.160 If we frame this like we're not talking about dismantling 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.680 all this, having nothing and then building from scratch. We're saying, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.240 as this falls apart over here, here are some other 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.800 solutions that are better than what was over here anyway. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:31.640 Yeah, I like that. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:37.520 So it's like a transference of an abusive system to 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.360 one that's actually supportive. It is a transition plan, Yeah, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.240 a transitional structure on bridge. 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:49.200 I don't know if this country. I truly believe that 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:55.400 our idea of America no longer exists. I think we 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.520 are a year from now, I think this country is 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.360 going to look very different. Ten years from now, I 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.840 think it will be unrecognizable. I think all empires fall 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.600 and it's just our turn to fall. I don't see 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.000 America surviving. I mean, the one thing that we have 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.680 as a country is our military budget swallows everybody. If 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.800 you combine everybody's military, our military budget swallows that. However, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.960 with technology, I don't know if that matters as much. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.560 With AI and drones and how weaponry has advanced. All 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.600 it takes is for somebody else to have two or 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.480 three weapons that can overpower or if they knock us 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:29.080 off our grid. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.360 What does that look like? You know? 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.960 If there's it is something to me, we seriously do, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.040 and it's something to me that we are at gen 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.120 Z and then the next generation is a I'm kind 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.600 of looking like maybe gen Z is it like maybe, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.480 you know, maybe when by the time jen gets don't 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.920 mean everybody is everybody's gonna die. But I'm saying, by 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.280 the time jen A comes around, will that be a 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.280 post apocalyptic society that has to build? 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:59.880 And if so, what does that look like? 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:04.160 And this gets into afro futurism, and you know, like what, really, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.360 how can we tap into our roots and our history 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.400 to create a future that is more in alignment with 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.880 our spirits and who we are as a people. We've 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.080 been forced to participate in this system and I just 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.760 don't know that it's worth saving. But I don't want 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.480 people to misunderstand me and think we are not worth saving. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.640 Like I like, we had Roland Martin on the show 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.560 this week and he talked about, you know, going from 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.640 micro to macro and it's like, yes, that counts, you know, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.640 and you have those infrastructures. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.040 I'm a doom's there. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.400 I'm getting deeper into doomsday, like if something goes down, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.680 what's the plan? And you all the way in Seattle, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.760 Angela like we need to figure out how do we 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.120 get together and how do we survive? 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.000 Well, this is the thing, right, Like some of what 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.080 there are people that are like, oh this say the 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:49.640 people tour. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.800 Ain't nobody trying to talk about politics. I'm like, we 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:52.320 not either. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.520 We trying to make sure we can survive, right, have 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.200 an organizing plan in the event that they disrupt all 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.520 the systems that we normally use to organize at least 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.000 over the last you know, ten fifteen years. So that's 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.399 just it, like we have a lot to do in 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.119 a little bit of time. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.920 THEO were like, why are you moving so quick? 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.080 We don't know hounderstand we have you don't see how. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.119 Much theyke tore our party too, But like no, and 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.679 with these tariffs, I mean, everything is going to increase. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.760 And so then you think about what are people going 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.639 to do when you cannot afford to buy food? And 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.879 so I think it is work. You know, we should 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.679 have somebody on the podcast. Maybe John Boyd would be 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.320 a good guess farmers, because what does it look like 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.080 if we start to grow our own food? That's what 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.119 I mean, like small steps. So if you can't afford 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.240 to buy food anymore, what does it look like to 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.000 grow food? If you can't afford to buy eggs, what 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:41.920 does it look like to. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.679 Raise chickens humanely? 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.080 Because even the mass production of chicken, like the way 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.560 our meat is killing us all the you know, so, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.720 how can you raise chickens humanly that are producing eggs 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.199 you know that it's giving you protein. How can you 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.080 grow vegetables that are not you know, marketed and covered 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.120 in pesticides and coloring and all the things. I'm I'm 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.080 open to those kinds of conversations. I would love to 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.359 have John Boyd on and we talked about doing like 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.199 a doomsday episode. How what do we do if we 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.320 wake up tomorrow and we're knocked off the grid. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.399 Or if we literally mid podcasts and the power just 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:16.760 go out? 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:17.359 Does everything? 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.000 I mean, that was kind of the plot on Zero 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.000 Day on Netflix. But if I can't text you to 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.400 say hey girl, are you okay? If I can't call 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.560 an uber to get to the airport, which ain't even funny, 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:29.080 You can't. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.440 Use your phone, if the power is completely out, you 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:32.560 ain't got no generator. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.040 What are your survival skills? 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:35.680 If people are like, oh, well, I just want to 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.800 be informed, let me go to Native lampod on YouTube. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.160 YouTube is like hell with them? 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.800 They they they're they're being censored, you know, And and 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.720 they're like, well, let me go to the iHeart app 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.399 and they're like, uh, it's like the little scroll and 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.199 it's like they can't even get a signal. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.639 Yeah, what you're gonna do that? 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.400 Questions your young kids don't know lene about Ghostbusters. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:57.879 That is funny. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.800 But you know, as this trade war with China increase, 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.560 I mean that is a for a legit threat. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.600 You know, we have a lot of it is. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.840 These are we are not making like people will say, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.520 oh my god, you worry so much. These are legitimate concerns. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.880 I worked on the Homeland Security Committee. We have been 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.400 talking about this for ye years. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.399 What is the takeway. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.359 Donald Trump from the Homeland Security like for all your 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.959 years on the hill, especially on Homeland Security. Shout out 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.000 to Congressman Benny Thompson, friend of the Showy Boss and 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.280