1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Well come, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 3: Welcome home, Everybody, This is our mini pod. You know, 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 3: our boy Andrew is out. He is on a field 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: trip with Jackson and Caroline, my niece and nephew, and 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: in his absence, we still need to talk about something 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: that I know Andrew's doing regularly on his solo pods, 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: which is to talk about organizing. And while we're not 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: hitting that directly, Tiff, I think that it's really important 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: for us to examine, to stretch, to hold ourselves accountable 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: in this moment around tools. We keep talking about so 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: many people, not just we on this podcast, but folks 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: on the ground, folks in the streets, folks at polls 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: are saying that they're disappointed with democratic leadership. 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: Where are the Democrats? Where is the fight? 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 3: And then when we go to people we say well, 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: where's your fight or what are you doing? 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: We find some of those things are lacking. So I 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: thought what. 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: Was interesting is there is this letter and hopefully we 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: can put it up for the guests who are viewing 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: the podcast. But Congressman Jeffries who is the Democratic leader 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: in the House, recently dropped a letter to Speaker Johnson, 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: and he is challenging Speaker Johnson to a colloquy, which 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: it would be on the House. 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: Floor, and it's basically a budget debate. 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 3: I don't at this point Speaker Johnson, Mike Johnson has 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: not taken him up on that yet. But what I 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: think is interesting is members on the House side tip 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: and I don't know if you're hearing this, but a 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: lot of members of Congress are saying Corey Booker's getting 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: a lot of shine for a rule that works in 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: his favor. On the Senate side, we can't fill a 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: buster or debate for hours at a time, especially not 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: for twenty four hours. 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: On the House side, we're not allowed to do that. 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: So this is to me Hakim's way of saying, I'm 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: going to challenge you in the way that I can 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: with the tools that we that we have. Because our 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: rules on the House side are different than they are 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: on the Senate side. They different in the streets, they 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: different in orcs, they different at home. So how do 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: people meet the moment tiff with the rules that they 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: have to play. 46 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to say because I might lose you in 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: my a man corner, because I got some thoughts about this. 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: So essentially, it sounds like Leader Jeffries is saying to 49 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: the speaker, I'm challenging you to a verbal duel in 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: which I'm pure basically, and he would whip Mike Johnson's 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: ass all across that floor. You know, we remember Leader 52 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Jeffries that had a prominent role on during the impeachment hearings. 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: He has he's gifted as an orcer. But I am 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: going to say, because this is a moment where I 55 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: think we have to go hard or go home, right, 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: And so we talked about Senator Booker meeting the moment, 57 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: and I said on that that day that we talked 58 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: about that on that podcast, I talked about how. 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: It made me feel hopeful. 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: And then one of my former colleagues, Aimon moy Deen, 61 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: who is like just an exceptional reporter. He still hosts 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: the show on that shitty network that shall not be 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: be named, but he does have an amazing show. They 64 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: just shout out to Aimen because he is he's a 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: g you know, like he really is. He doesn't quote 66 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: rap lyrics every five minutes, but he loves hip hop 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: and you know he's just a dope guy. So but 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: this is these are the questions that came up after 69 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: Senator Booker, and you know, god forbid we'd have actual 70 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: journalists probing him. But Amon pointed out the questions that 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: he thought the journalists in the room should have asked 72 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: Senator Booker. One, why confirm another Trump nominee right after 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: your speech? 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: Two? Why miss your committee's anti trust hearing on big tech? Three? 75 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: Why barely mentioned Gaza or my Mood Khalil will be 76 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: tried in your home state? Why was he not mentioned? 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Mamu Khalil. Of course we talked about him. He is 78 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: the Columbia student who was deported or detained by ice, 79 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: kidnapped by ice. How do you justify voting with Trump, 80 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: Republicans and establishment Democrats to send billions in weapons to 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: Israel just days after your speech? I think these are 82 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: all legitimate questions. So when we talk about a leader, Jeffries, 83 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I think we have to start thinking again, tapping into 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: our imagination and not participating in this system, this established 85 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: system that still again is responsible for the murder of 86 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: hundreds of Palestinian children and children all across this globe, 87 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: if we really want to be honest, because even though 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: the pro Palestinian protests exclude what's happening in the Congo, 89 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: exclude what's happening in Sudan and South Sudan, and there's 90 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: there's and that's not a disc to the pro Palatinian 91 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: pro Palaestinian protester. 92 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 4: That is a challenge to all of us. 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: So if in this moment we're saying, look, you know this, 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: this entire system is about to break, then we have 95 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: to hold everybody accountable and their role in it. If 96 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: we're trying to have some truth and reconciliation, then there 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: are some people on our side of the divide. I'm 98 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, I don't claim the Democrats, but I vote Democratic. 99 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: There's some people on our side of the divide that 100 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: we're going to have to start to challenge in question. 101 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: So when I say meet the moment, I think for 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: me personally, trying again, I'm trying to believe. I don't 103 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: necessarily know that this system can be saved. I don't 104 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: know that it is worth saving. So a part of 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: me feels like once it breaks, then there will be 106 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: a moment to meet the only moment I'm trying to 107 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: meet right now, which I think we share this, but 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm wrong. 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 4: Is harm reduction for our people? 110 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 3: I think that still means, which still means there's something 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: about the construct because if you're if you're if the 112 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: movement is harm reduction, that means that there's something about 113 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: the system that you think is worth saving. 114 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: For those who. 115 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: Didn't hear our last pod, Tiff talked about being willing 116 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 3: to lay her physical body down in front of the 117 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: Blacksnian the National Museum of African American History and Culture. 118 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 3: So there are things about this system that are worth 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: preserving and we're fighting for for us, and we probably 120 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: want them expanded. So I think we have to start 121 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: even being more nuanced in our approach with that language. Yeah, right, 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: Like I want to keep affirmative action. I actually like 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: the bill HR forty that Congressman Conyer started introducing in 124 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine. I want to see that pass. I 125 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 3: would like to see legislation make its way through the 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 3: process and amended so that it is better for us. 127 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: I would like to ensure that the Voting Rights Act 128 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: that our fore bears fought for in nineteen. 129 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: Sixty five is here. 130 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: And has all of its pieces, not the gutted version 131 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: from Shelby versus Holder in twenty thirteen. So I think 132 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: that we have to And I'm saying this to you, Tip, 133 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: but I'm saying it to myself too, because I'm. 134 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: Like, let it all go. 135 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: But I'm like that Greta letting it all go from 136 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: two months ago, and I'm spiraling. 137 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: Right, So I'm like, is that really our truth? 138 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: Or is it that we're so frustrated with the most 139 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: abusive parts of it? 140 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: And is that what we want to let go? Or 141 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: do we think we would be. 142 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: Better served starting from scratch with veterans benefits, starting from scratch, 143 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: with houselessness and housing affordability, starting from scratch with access 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: to capital, starting from scratch with paying people a livabo wage. 145 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: Is it better to start from scratch or is it 146 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: better to build upon what we have, even if what 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: we have is flawed? 148 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 149 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Right, I don't know, Yeah, And I think that's that's 150 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: more of a philosophical question, which I love and I 151 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: want to try to answer that. 152 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: I think it is better to start from scratch. 153 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the board across the board, 154 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I don't. I read more than 155 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: I watch and so and a lot of reading it 156 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: challenges my thoughts around democracy and around the political and 157 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: economic system of capitalism. And so when I look at, 158 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, what is happening here in our country. You 159 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: cannot have capitalism without racism. And so those two conjoined 160 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: twins fund and fuel the system. So I don't know 161 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: that you can fix that system without those things, and 162 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: so I don't know that I want to be a 163 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: part of preserving it. And when I say I read 164 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: a lot, I'm not just reading like you know, brainy, 165 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: heady books like I love fiction. I love to read fiction. 166 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: And one of my favorite books. If you know me 167 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: and you have read talked about reading books with me, 168 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: then you know The Poison What Bible is one of 169 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: my favorite books. And in that book I may have 170 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: talked about it on the pod if I. 171 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 4: Did, forgive me for being redundant. 172 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: But in that book, it's about this white Christian family 173 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: who goes to the Congo to teach the local savages 174 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: and quotes how to live properly, and a part of 175 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: that is about religion, and one of the chiefs there 176 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: in the Congos is during the rain of Lamum, but 177 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: one of the chiefs there is challenging this white pastor, 178 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: saying nothing about your system makes sense to me. 179 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: So you're telling me, in America. 180 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Y'all are okay with forty nine percent of the people 181 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: being unhappy just because fifty one percent of the people 182 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: voted for it, and that makes sense to you. 183 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 4: You're also telling me. 184 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: That this boy who is eighteen years old, who ain't 185 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: lived none of the life I lived, you're telling me 186 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: that his opinion counts just as much as mine a chief, 187 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: And it really did kind of lift a veil off me, saying, Yeah, 188 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: I've been so indoctrinated by how America does things that 189 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: I think that's the only way. I read this book 190 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: when I was like twenty years old, and it just 191 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,239 Speaker 1: opened my mind. 192 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: That there are other ways. 193 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: There are other systems, There are other rules of community 194 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: that we functioned in before we were kidnapped and brought 195 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: here and had the humanity beat out of us. We 196 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: had a whole system that worked for us. So I 197 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: don't know that this system is the thing to save, 198 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: but that it doesn't mean that I'm gonna sit on 199 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: my hands and watch it fall like I have no choice. 200 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm not a proponent of this system. I am the 201 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: system's hostage, and so as long as that exists, we 202 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: have to try to live within this four hundred year 203 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: nightmare as best we can. So I don't feel good 204 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: about sitting back and letting people starve. I don't feel 205 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: good about sitting back while people don't have clean drinking water. 206 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't feel good about sitting back while people are losing, 207 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: like you said, with you know, the unhoused, or increase 208 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: in crime or drug addiction, like all the things I'm 209 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: seeing just in my neighborhood. I feel like there's a 210 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: role to play. And I know it's a lot of 211 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: pressure on you, Angel, I really do. I know you 212 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: don't complain and all of that, but I do feel 213 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: like there are a lot of people looking to you 214 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: right now to say, well, what do we do? And 215 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: I think you have really met the moment, not by 216 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: saying I have all the answers, but you know, let's 217 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: at least try to figure something out. And I for 218 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: all the people complaining and all, like, at least that 219 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: is happening. At least you are saying, let's put one 220 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: flit in front of the next and figure out something. 221 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: And what has emerged from that are other leaders. You know, 222 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: other people have said, well, angel this might not be 223 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: your wheelhouse, but I can do this, this and this, 224 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: you know for sure, you know, Angela, I know this 225 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: is in your wheelhouse, but you have your hands full. 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna lead this effort. 227 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: And so those things are happening, and I'm just I'm 228 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: proud and privileged to be a part of that and 229 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: plug in where I can. But I definitely understand people 230 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: in the dizzying array of like what the fuck like 231 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: every day? 232 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is, it is at WWTF every day, 233 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: And I guess the thing that I'm wrestling with is 234 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: trying to you know, listening to you and trying to 235 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: hear my own intention and wondering like, is it my 236 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 3: fear that makes me feel like treating America as a 237 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: startup is not a good idea? Or is it the 238 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: as in moment of like what doge is dozing? 239 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: You know? 240 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 3: Does that feel like that feels remarkably irresponsible? And then 241 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: it's like the wild wild West out here? Yeah, but 242 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: like there are there's progress that our forebears made that 243 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to get rid of there's you know, 244 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: when I think about even when they when they brought 245 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: up that cancer research funding could be hit given my 246 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: mom's current situation or the number of people I'm talking 247 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: to who just got a cancer diagnosis, I don't really 248 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 3: want to start that over from scratch. 249 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: Just from time, like just from a time standpoint. 250 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 3: I want to make sure that people are good right now, 251 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: for you know, the folks who are in an IVF process, 252 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: or who are are struggling with being able to breathe 253 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: and are on oxygen, or they're in dialysis or have 254 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 3: high blood pressure and they need medication and access to 255 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: prescription drugs or access to some type of holistic treatment. 256 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: Completely dismantling our healthcare system in the middle of a 257 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: health crisis sounds like a horrible idea to me. 258 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: I think that what I need. 259 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: To try to pull apart is like, when we're talking 260 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: about the system, are we talking about the fruits of 261 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: the system too, or is that fruit of a poisonous tree? 262 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: Or are we saying this just this foundation is the 263 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 3: thing that I want to disrupt, But I'm not trying 264 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: to get rid of the fruits that have been beneficial 265 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: to our people. Even if they're not where they need 266 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: to be. We know that they are decent, we know 267 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: that they are good. Can we build on decent or 268 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: we also saying, regardless of the crisis somebody may be in, 269 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: if they need their snap benefits, if they need that 270 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: veterans benefit because there's a mental health crisis happening, we 271 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: still want to get rid of all that, like to 272 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: the individual person, be damned. I don't know that I can. 273 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: It feels I'm like, I feel like the anxiety going 274 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: like this in my chest. From that, I think. 275 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: Yes, I hear that. 276 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: I think that is a worthy anxiety because that does 277 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: leave a lot of questions. 278 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: And what do we do? 279 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: I think the scary part is we are getting rid 280 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: of all that. Know like we are, we are not 281 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: they are, but it is eroding, and so as it 282 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: is eroding, how do we protect ourselves? And we at 283 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: least need to tap into our imagination to figure out repair. 284 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: You know, if this is eroding with next if we. 285 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: If we frame this like we're not talking about dismantling 286 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: all this, having nothing and then building from scratch. We're saying, 287 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: as this falls apart over here, here are some other 288 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: solutions that are better than what was over here anyway. 289 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. 290 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: So it's like a transference of an abusive system to 291 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: one that's actually supportive. It is a transition plan, Yeah, 292 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: a transitional structure on bridge. 293 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if this country. I truly believe that 294 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: our idea of America no longer exists. I think we 295 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: are a year from now, I think this country is 296 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: going to look very different. Ten years from now, I 297 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: think it will be unrecognizable. I think all empires fall 298 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: and it's just our turn to fall. I don't see 299 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: America surviving. I mean, the one thing that we have 300 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: as a country is our military budget swallows everybody. If 301 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: you combine everybody's military, our military budget swallows that. However, 302 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: with technology, I don't know if that matters as much. 303 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: With AI and drones and how weaponry has advanced. All 304 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: it takes is for somebody else to have two or 305 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: three weapons that can overpower or if they knock us 306 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: off our grid. 307 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: What does that look like? You know? 308 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: If there's it is something to me, we seriously do, 309 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: and it's something to me that we are at gen 310 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: Z and then the next generation is a I'm kind 311 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: of looking like maybe gen Z is it like maybe, 312 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, maybe when by the time jen gets don't 313 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: mean everybody is everybody's gonna die. But I'm saying, by 314 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: the time jen A comes around, will that be a 315 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: post apocalyptic society that has to build? 316 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 4: And if so, what does that look like? 317 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: And this gets into afro futurism, and you know, like what, really, 318 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: how can we tap into our roots and our history 319 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: to create a future that is more in alignment with 320 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: our spirits and who we are as a people. We've 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: been forced to participate in this system and I just 322 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: don't know that it's worth saving. But I don't want 323 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: people to misunderstand me and think we are not worth saving. 324 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: Like I like, we had Roland Martin on the show 325 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: this week and he talked about, you know, going from 326 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: micro to macro and it's like, yes, that counts, you know, 327 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: and you have those infrastructures. 328 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: I'm a doom's there. 329 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm getting deeper into doomsday, like if something goes down, 330 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: what's the plan? And you all the way in Seattle, 331 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: Angela like we need to figure out how do we 332 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: get together and how do we survive? 333 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing, right, Like some of what 334 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: there are people that are like, oh this say the 335 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: people tour. 336 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: Ain't nobody trying to talk about politics. I'm like, we 337 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: not either. 338 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: We trying to make sure we can survive, right, have 339 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: an organizing plan in the event that they disrupt all 340 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: the systems that we normally use to organize at least 341 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: over the last you know, ten fifteen years. So that's 342 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: just it, like we have a lot to do in 343 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: a little bit of time. 344 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: THEO were like, why are you moving so quick? 345 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: We don't know hounderstand we have you don't see how. 346 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: Much theyke tore our party too, But like no, and 347 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: with these tariffs, I mean, everything is going to increase. 348 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: And so then you think about what are people going 349 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: to do when you cannot afford to buy food? And 350 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: so I think it is work. You know, we should 351 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: have somebody on the podcast. Maybe John Boyd would be 352 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: a good guess farmers, because what does it look like 353 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: if we start to grow our own food? That's what 354 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: I mean, like small steps. So if you can't afford 355 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: to buy food anymore, what does it look like to 356 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: grow food? If you can't afford to buy eggs, what 357 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: does it look like to. 358 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 4: Raise chickens humanely? 359 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: Because even the mass production of chicken, like the way 360 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: our meat is killing us all the you know, so, 361 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: how can you raise chickens humanly that are producing eggs 362 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: you know that it's giving you protein. How can you 363 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: grow vegetables that are not you know, marketed and covered 364 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: in pesticides and coloring and all the things. I'm I'm 365 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: open to those kinds of conversations. I would love to 366 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: have John Boyd on and we talked about doing like 367 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: a doomsday episode. How what do we do if we 368 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and we're knocked off the grid. 369 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: Or if we literally mid podcasts and the power just 370 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: go out? 371 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: Does everything? 372 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that was kind of the plot on Zero 373 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Day on Netflix. But if I can't text you to 374 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: say hey girl, are you okay? If I can't call 375 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: an uber to get to the airport, which ain't even funny, 376 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: You can't. 377 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: Use your phone, if the power is completely out, you 378 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: ain't got no generator. 379 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: What are your survival skills? 380 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 3: If people are like, oh, well, I just want to 381 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: be informed, let me go to Native lampod on YouTube. 382 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: YouTube is like hell with them? 383 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: They they they're they're being censored, you know, And and 384 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: they're like, well, let me go to the iHeart app 385 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 3: and they're like, uh, it's like the little scroll and 386 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 3: it's like they can't even get a signal. 387 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, what you're gonna do that? 388 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: Questions your young kids don't know lene about Ghostbusters. 389 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 4: That is funny. 390 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: But you know, as this trade war with China increase, 391 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean that is a for a legit threat. 392 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: You know, we have a lot of it is. 393 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: These are we are not making like people will say, 394 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: oh my god, you worry so much. These are legitimate concerns. 395 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 3: I worked on the Homeland Security Committee. We have been 396 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: talking about this for ye years. 397 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 4: What is the takeway. 398 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: Donald Trump from the Homeland Security like for all your 399 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: years on the hill, especially on Homeland Security. Shout out 400 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: to Congressman Benny Thompson, friend of the Showy Boss and 401 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: the former Boss, is there any takeaway that you have, 402 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: Like is there hope? 403 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: Like you know, I was like, no, that My answer 404 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: is not about to be hopeful. 405 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: I guess you're going to be what everybody's been saying. 406 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: They've been saying America, you and danger girl. America. You've 407 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: been in danger girl, like all the vulnerabilities on every side, 408 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 3: from the grid to like even what you see what TSA, 409 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: which now they're talking about defunding too. But the TSA 410 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: when you're at the airport, well, now we take off 411 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: our shoes if you don't have pre check, you know, 412 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 3: we take off our shoes to go through the metal detectors. 413 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: Because somebody had a bomb in their shoe. Well, what 414 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: happens with TSA and has long existed. Now we'round down 415 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: a whole other road. But the short version is they 416 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: only respond to a threat once it's already occurred. That 417 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: means it's too late. They're not anticipating the next threat. 418 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 3: Now they have these long ass machines that are super 419 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: expensive that goes a lot slower and still don't detect 420 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: everything they're supposed to detect because it could be operator error, 421 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: you know. So it's just there are so many threats, 422 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: and I think home grown terrorism is to me the 423 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: biggest threat because we saw what they were willing to 424 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: do on January sixth. Now the January sixth insurrectionists are 425 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: inside and sworn in to the government. These are your people, y'all. 426 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: These are the people who have been appointed to positions 427 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: where they should have a certain level past, a certain 428 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 3: background check, background checks be damned right, So these are 429 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 3: now your people. The January sixth insurrectionists are now the 430 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: Trump administration. 431 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: Cash Battel is running the FBI like that doesn't give 432 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: you great concern. The Angry Internet's comments section is running 433 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: the government like legit, crazy people. One thing about I 434 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: think our homeland security that you talked about that really 435 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: this is the thing that keeps me up at night. 436 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: Political violence. We've talked about it on this show many times. 437 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: It just takes enough people to say, I do not 438 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: adhere to these rules. I don't want to stop at 439 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: stop signs anymore. I don't want to stop at stopwlights anymore. 440 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: There are anarchists who are actually in the government running 441 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: the government, and then there are people outside the government 442 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: who are followers, who are members of this cult, who 443 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: can just decide right now, Donald Trump, a part of 444 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: his executive word that you sent me on DC not 445 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: only to recriminalize marijuana, but also to institute open carry 446 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: in Washington, DC, where it is the home of our 447 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: federal government, where you have dignitaries from all over the globe. 448 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: Do you know how hard. 449 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: It is to even get a gun permit in the 450 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: nation's capital now Maryland and Virginia is something else. But 451 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: in the nation's capital. There are over thirty something law 452 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: enforcement agencies that exist in the nation's capital because it 453 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: is that big a threat. And I wondered, you know, 454 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: when I was when I'm there, I'm like, do. 455 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: I feel safer in DC? 456 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: Because it's not a big deal to be walking down 457 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: the street and see a sniper on the roof, you know, 458 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: like that means, oh, the President might be coming down 459 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: this street late, Like we don't know, but it's just something. 460 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: You do I feel safer or do I feel like 461 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: it's a bigger target on me? Because I am here 462 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: where the Pentagon is house, where Capital, this house, where 463 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: White House's house. I have felt safer until this half witted, 464 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: politically inept fool took office, and now I. 465 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: Feel not safe at all. I feel like it is 466 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 4: a bigger target. 467 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: Even this week, I don't know if you saw, he 468 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: was at the NRCC dinner, which is the campaign arm 469 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: of the Republicans on Capitol Hill, and he's talking about 470 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: all you guys should see all these heads of state 471 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: kissing my ass. 472 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 4: They want to make a deal like your who talks 473 00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: like that? 474 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: Donald Trump? 475 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 4: You were talking to the whole globe. You were talking. 476 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: I just I'm telling you, Angela, I do not see 477 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: this country surviving. 478 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: I don't. 479 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a series finale 480 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: of The White Man's Be Dead. 481 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: You know, you off us in the last episode. 482 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: We are coming to her from the hereafter bringing beyond. 483 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: We are coming to you from the Pearlygates. I hope 484 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: this is the Pearlygates, because I don't. I hope Heaven 485 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: don't feel like this. Actually, no, I want to. 486 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: I want my spirit to be so elevated. I want 487 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: to be in a completely different you. 488 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: Basically just want to feel high. 489 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but elevated in a way that my mind 490 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: can't even comprehend. 491 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: You know that. 492 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest too. That's another reason why I smoke, 493 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: Like the stressors. 494 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: Okay, well the doors of the Weed Church. 495 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: Are not open. But the podcast is over because we 496 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: are we off another team. 497 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 4: Okay. 498 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: I was trying to say, Oh, I just wanted to 499 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: say the reason why I smoke is because the stressors 500 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: of life. Now, I used to smoke, you know, every 501 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: now and then. When I say every now and then, 502 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: I mean like once or twice a week in this 503 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: Trump administration. I just want you y'all to know your 504 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: girl is smoky over here. I know one of those 505 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: pers my. 506 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: Name is Tiffany, and people like, hi, Tiffany, that was 507 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: this is uh we are w a not it's not 508 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: as w. 509 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: A Listen, I I. 510 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: I right, not want to help though. 511 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because so many, so many people 512 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: like prescription drugs, xanaxolo all of that stuff. Like I'm right, 513 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not judging anybody who takes it, and I'm 514 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: not awakened baker, like I can't wake up and smoke. 515 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: And if I ever did this show, how I trust 516 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: me everybody would know. 517 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: Everybody would It Ain't like we'd be like, tiff. 518 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: Just sit there, this is there. She would be like 519 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 4: this seriously. 520 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: It would be dead air Angel could be asking me 521 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: a question and I would just I would have the thought, 522 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: and then they and I'd be like no, no, no one wait. 523 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 4: And then the thought is gone already. 524 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: So in the heat of me for me to sleep, 525 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: I yeah, I gotta take a hit, and I sleep. 526 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm comatos and I wake up at five in the 527 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: morning like I could run a marathon, like I'm ready 528 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: to go. But it is the thing that that stops 529 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: my mind from focusing on all the things keeping me 530 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: up at night. 531 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 4: It really is. 532 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: And I surmise that there are a lot of people 533 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this and I don't know. We gotta go, 534 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: But I just thought about this. I forget who was it. 535 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: It was maybe one of the networks, and they did 536 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: a special on moms who smoke. Okay, oh yeah, you 537 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: saw you saw it? I girl, I was so damn offended. 538 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: It was all these ain't no black mamas insight, And 539 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: it's all these moms who are just talking about how 540 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: much they love weed and they passed weed and blah 541 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: blah blah. And I just thought of all the black 542 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: mothers who are sitting in jail because they needed to smoke, 543 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: like they didn't have half the privilege of these women 544 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: in this video, or the fact that it celebrate it 545 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: because it's a bunch of white women in there who 546 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: like to smoke. It was celebrated, But imagine doing a 547 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: segment on fifteen black moms who were saying smoking weed 548 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: helps me be a better mother, Like I have so 549 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: much stress in my life, I gotta smoke sometimes just 550 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: to get through the day. Do you know child protective 551 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: services will be at the homes of those women, But 552 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: because they were white, privileged women, it was something to celebrate. 553 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: I looked at it in discuss anyway. I just brought 554 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: that up because I was talking about smoking, and now 555 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm upset and I gotta go smoke. 556 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: So thank you all for tuning in, y'all. 557 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: We sorry. This is definitely your ADHD episode. Welcome home, 558 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: y'all if you joined Tiff on the high end of 559 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: the spectrum, let her know. She'll be happy to know 560 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: that she is not alone in this moment. So in 561 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: all you're smoking, just make sure y'all are acting as well. 562 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 2: We appreciate y'all. God bless you and your families. Welcome home. 563 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: Until next I will see. 564 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 4: You this Welcome Home. 565 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Nativeland Pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 566 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: Recent Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the 567 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 568 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: favorite shows.