1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hi friends, 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Work in Progress. This week, we are 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: joined by a true multi hyphenete powerhouse artist who I 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: have been a fan of forever. I'm talking since the 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: early days of her comedy on NBC Chuck to Dexter 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: to twenty four. She is just an absolute icon and 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: has certainly taken the world by storm in The Handmaid's Tale. 8 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: Ivanstrotowski is here today to talk about what it feels 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: like to be finishing such a seminal series that has 10 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: had such an incredible impact on culture, potentially unfortunately has 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: been a bit predictive. We're going to talk about what 12 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: it's like to balance working on something that is so 13 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: heavy while also seeing it reflected in the world where 14 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 1: she finds her joy. How she balances motherhood with being 15 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: a star of a show of this size and also 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: adapting a best selling novel and starring in an executive 17 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: producing another series, Peacock's newest horror show called Teacup, which 18 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: I watched in advance of this interview, and I can 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: confirm it is both incredible and terrifying. I truly just 20 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: can't wait to ask von how she manages to do 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: it all, and what's up next for her. Let's dive in. Hello, 22 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Oh hi, how are you? 23 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: I'm cool? How are you? 24 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm really well? Thanks? Where do I find you today? 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: I'm in to our wolves look so similar, except I 26 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: was just going to say classier than well mine is? 27 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: My kids are I'm. 28 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: Not so sweet? How are things in Toronto? 29 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: They're good? Yeah, they're good. You know, it's a little 30 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: weird being here right now post selection. 31 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: I bet, yeah, I'm super complicated. 32 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: That's a little weird. I remember this feeling. You know, 33 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: I was here one other time when the same thing happened. Yeah, 34 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: so its just I don't know, Yeah, it's it's it's 35 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: just a little weird. It's a little weird being here 36 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: on the show and playing the role I know. So yeah, 37 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: but are we're finishing up you know, season six of 38 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: the show, and that's it? 39 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: What a trip? 40 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 41 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Well, let's instead of sitting where we are, let's rewind. 42 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: I Actually we always really like to ask people because 43 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, I sit opposite someone like you who is 44 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: just like, I don't even know what word I want 45 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: to pick first. Incredible, accomplished, brilliant, you're such an amazing performer. 46 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: You've done all of these incredible projects that we love, 47 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: and we all know you now, but I always like 48 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: to kind of understand or poke and see if you 49 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: got to hang out with your childhood self, Like if 50 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: we went, you know, into the space time continuum and 51 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: you got to meet eight year old Yvonne on the playground, 52 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: would you see yourself and your career, Like would you 53 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: see the through line in her? Or did life just 54 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: take a left turn and you can't believe this is 55 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: where you are? 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, no that I would definitely see the through line. 57 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: You know. I'm experiencing this with my six year old 58 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: right now. He's like starting to do these Like I 59 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: was the kid that was like, look at me, I'm 60 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: going to heads, I'm going to win a weagh everyone 61 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: at the dinner party so that someone will like watch 62 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: me do stuff. And I'm seeing that in my eldest son. 63 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: And you know, he wanted to get he wanted not 64 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: a real guitar, like a play guitar for his birthday, 65 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: and he got one. And now he's like running around 66 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: the house kind of doing all these like he's just 67 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: making up songs and it's very loud and very funny, 68 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm looking at him like what you're saying, 69 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: like the kid in the park, Like would I recognize that. 70 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: I'm looking at him and thinking, oh my god, like 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: that was me. That was that was what I used 72 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: to do. And anyway, I don't know, obviously there's no 73 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: way to know, you know, whether he's going to end 74 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: up in the same space, but certainly, certainly at that age, 75 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: or I mean probably a little bit later when I 76 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: was about twelve, I kind of that was kind of 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: when I was like, yeah, I need to be an actress. 78 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: I just kind of had it in my head. Wo 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: that was what I wanted to do, and I had 80 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: been doing it probably since then. 81 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that begin for you back in Australia? 82 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: Were there like was there a local theater company or 83 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: were there shows you were watching where you saw other 84 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: kids and you thought, oh, I'm I'm going to do that. 85 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: I you know, we grew in Australia or you know, 86 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: at that time, we were very saturated with American TV 87 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: shows and programming, and so I think there was you know, 88 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: there was just some you know, like the crappy community 89 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: hall down the road, was doing you know, acting classes, 90 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: and my best friend and I signed up. We would 91 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: just like it was like, you know, you play charades, 92 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: you do drama games, yeah, and you're a kid in 93 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: and where I just remember we would take over the 94 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: class because we had this whole charade ship that we knew, like, 95 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: you know, we know the answer in one one second 96 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: as soon as one of us would do the thing. 97 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: And so that's kind of where it started. And then 98 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: and then I just sort of ended up in every 99 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: school play or musical imaginable that I could get my 100 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: hands on, to the point where I was I just 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: didn't have time to do anything else. I just kind 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: of wanted to be in everything and do everything. So 103 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: it was kind of, I guess it was a very 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: saturated natural progression kind of going from high school into 105 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: you know with all the plays and stuff, and then 106 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: going into university where I did, you know, the drama 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: degree was very practical and theater based and whatever. And 108 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: then I ended up starting a you know, a little 109 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: theater company with a friend of mine from from drama school. 110 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: So we would you know, she's her name's Anna, and 111 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: she's finished, and she would have these finish plays that 112 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: she liked from Finland, and we would adapt them to 113 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: an Australian audience and them and produce them and cost 114 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: them and do all this stuff. And then that didn't 115 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: last very long because the next thing, you know, I 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: ended up in the States. And that was when I 117 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: was I was twenty four, and now it's been almost 118 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: two decades wow, since that moment. 119 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: So what was it that brought you to the US 120 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: so quickly? I assume, you know, beginning of theater company 121 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: is a pretty big undertaking. So was it something that 122 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: you booked or was it someone who said you've got 123 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: to come here and start getting on the scene and auditioning. 124 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: What was the move like for you? 125 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: It was it was totally random. I mean not totally random. 126 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: I was you know, I was dating a guy at 127 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: the time, and there was a bunch of Ossie actors 128 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: who had this movie who had gotten into Tiff at 129 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: the time, and they were all going and they were 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: either we were at the pub one night and they 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: were saying, you know, you should come with us, and 132 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: you know, tried tried to get some meetings in America, 133 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: and I remember, oh, you know, I had terrible skin 134 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: at the time. I had really bad acne on my face, 135 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, I don't know, like I probably, 136 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if anyone's gonna, you know, 137 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: want me there, but you know, okay, I'll give it 138 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: a go. And so I went with them, and I 139 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: remember having my Australian agent at the time pushed me 140 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: to go. She said, you should, you should do this, 141 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: and she had set me up with these five meetings. 142 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: I got rejected from four out of the five agents 143 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: and managers whoever I met with at the time, and 144 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: the only people who wanted to work with me were 145 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: these two women managers who I still work with to 146 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: this day, and the rest. 147 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Are kicking themselves. 148 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: Maybe but anyway. So yeah, So I remember that was 149 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: like a two week trip and then I remember it 150 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: was the end of two thousand and six. I came 151 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: back home for Christmas, I got my tonsils out, and 152 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: then I finished a small guest job role in Australia 153 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: and I got back on a plane to do you know, 154 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: pilot season at the time in two thousand and seven. 155 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: Back then, we had you know that pilot season thing going. Yeah, 156 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: but I was late to the pilot season because I 157 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: was on this other job in Australia, and so I 158 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: was auditioning like self taping before self taping was a thing, 159 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: and I was sending over tapes, one of which was 160 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: for the show Chuck on NBC. And so the day 161 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: that I actually landed in the States was the day 162 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: they saw my tape and the day they called and 163 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: said we want her to test the next day at 164 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: the network and the studio. And I didn't know what 165 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: was going on. I had no clue how the business worked. 166 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: I didn't know what a test was. I didn't know 167 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: why I would be meeting all of the executives at 168 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: NBC and Warner Brothers. And then literally I went and 169 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: did this test and then I remember my you He's 170 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: coming out shaking my hand at the network and saying, 171 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, congratulations, You've got the job, and I, you know, 172 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: my head exploded, and then that was kind of it was. 173 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: It was so quick, and so I just hadn't wrapped 174 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: my head around any of it. 175 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's so it really is so crazy, 176 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: and I think people don't know the swiftness with which 177 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: your whole life changes, Like you landed and then you 178 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: had to stay here. I remember doing the callback for 179 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: my test for One Tree Hill and I was in 180 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: college and then suddenly they were like, you're moving to 181 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: North Carolina in twelve days. And I had to call 182 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: my university and be like, I'm not coming and tell 183 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: my roommate I wasn't coming and she had to find 184 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: a new roommate, and I was so stressed out for her. 185 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: I was like, who are you going to live with? 186 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: Like all of these things that now they seem so 187 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: funny to me, but you're just there, you go figure 188 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: it out, pack your staff. 189 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's exactly that, and the sort of 190 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: like unprepared, You're unprepared, You're you're you're young, like I 191 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: was so young, and I yeah. I literally remember pulling 192 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: over on Bob Hope Drive in Burbank in my like 193 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: really crappy rental car. I don't know how they rented 194 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: out cars back then. There was like these like one 195 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: rental company that all the Australians used to go to 196 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: in Losienaga and we would, you know, get the cars. 197 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: And I called my parents in Australia and told them 198 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: I wasn't coming home at the time that I thought 199 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: I was going to come on just I got a 200 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: job and like what and I know, and I never 201 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: went home. I was supposed to go back two months later, 202 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: and then it was a year. It was a year 203 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: to the day before I went back to my original 204 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: ticket had expired. But yeah, I didn't know. I mean 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: it was like I didn't know what a grocery store 206 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: was called. I didn't know what its like. I just 207 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: didn't know anything or anyone. And it was it was intense. 208 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: It was an intense first few years, several for first 209 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: few years. 210 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: Well, and the show was so fun. What was it 211 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: like for you? I imagine it's kind of a seesaw 212 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: the culture shock and having to learn so quickly, but also, 213 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, in a way having your dream come true 214 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: and being on you know, the show that's it's a 215 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: big hit. It's hilarious, people love it. You know, could 216 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: you enjoy it or was it just a total whirlwind 217 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: the first season? 218 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: I think it was everything it was, you know, it 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: was a year without any any one that I was 220 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: used to, you know, like you have all your best friends, 221 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: and you have your parents or whoever like your loved ones, 222 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: and then suddenly you're doing this thing and it's amazing 223 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: and you get to you Yeah, you have you have 224 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 2: this thing in front of you that you've always wanted. 225 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's you know that there's 226 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: a sacrifice that comes with that. Yeah, And I think 227 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: just the culture shock also was a big thing for 228 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: me at the time. You know, it's I know, you 229 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: know obviously, I mean, I'm born in Australia. We speak 230 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: the same English language here and there, but we don't 231 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: because culturally things are really different. And it was just 232 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: a matter of sort of getting used to that and 233 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: trying to find friends and connect with people. And when 234 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: you're young, or when you're that I mean, I'm not 235 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: sure if there was any twenty four year old to 236 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: like super and know who they are and you know 237 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: you and you can you have good judgment of character 238 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: or whatever, but you know, it's a process and when 239 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: you're that young, so and it was a real process. 240 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: I remember feeling like it was probably a good like 241 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: for the whole run of the show. The show ran 242 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: for five years, and I remember feeling like it took 243 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: me the whole time and beyond to really like truly 244 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: sort of start to find like my people and have 245 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: true connections that felt like they were going to last 246 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: for a while. And I think also primarily because back then, 247 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, when you're on a network show, you're working 248 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: the craziest hours. And that was I think that was 249 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: the biggest shock, is just how many hours we would 250 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: spend there and work way into Saturday morning, yeah, and 251 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: kind of get up on Monday at the same time 252 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: that you had gone to bed on Saturday. Yeah, for 253 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: nine months out of a year. And it was like, 254 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: you know, it's just a lot. It was a lot, 255 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: but there's just so many of the feelings. There's so 256 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: many things. 257 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our sponsors who make 258 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: this show possible. I talked about this with a friend 259 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: of mine recently because I realized that, you know, from 260 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: the time I didn't go to my senior year in 261 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: college to the first time I'd come home for any 262 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: real amount of time, it had been almost fifteen years 263 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: of being on location. 264 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 265 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, in the one sense, I 266 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: cherish being able to do this job that I love, 267 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: and on the other it's really hard to constantly be 268 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: the person who has to play catch up with everyone 269 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: in your life because nobody's awake at four am when 270 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: you're going to work and most people aren't awake at 271 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: eleven pm. When you're going home and you do, you 272 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: just sort of disappear and you're grateful, but there's a 273 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: there's a loss, and there's a grieving that comes with 274 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: it that I think nobody's really wanted to hear about, 275 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: because there's this notion of like, well, you're so privileged 276 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: and you're so lucky, and it's not that those things 277 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: aren't true. It's just that there's this other side of 278 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: the coin that has been unacknowledged for so long. And 279 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: it isn't lost on me that you got settled here 280 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: and you know, you worked on this job here having 281 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: to move and then you know, I think about you 282 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: having to go to Canada to do Handmaids and like, again, 283 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: you had to move. Was it a weird readjust or 284 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: did you did you sort of feel like you were 285 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: more practiced as a person having to pick up and 286 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: leave and get settled in a whole new place again. 287 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: This feels like it's been my life the entire time 288 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: that I've been here in the States. It's been like 289 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: an ongoing moving around, you know, from you know, shooting 290 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: something in New Orleans at one point to you know, Broadway, 291 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: New York, shooting this other thing Vancouver, and you know, 292 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: and it usually and if it's a show, you know 293 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: you're in You're in the place for you know, five 294 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: six months I think there. I mean, we used to 295 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: shoot a lot more stuff in LA. That was when 296 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: I did Chuck, my first gig. And then also I 297 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: think did I did Dexter in l A. But other 298 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: than that, I'm pretty sure just about everything else has 299 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: been not in LA. So I'm well well adjusted to 300 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: like doing this whole travel thing. The only difference now 301 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: is that I have three kids. So I'm at this 302 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: point i think in my life slash career where I'm 303 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how long this can go on 304 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: for because because I'm getting into the into the age 305 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: range with my eldest. He's in grade one here, so 306 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: his first Grade one experience is Canada. Yeah, it's not 307 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: home where we live. And and he because and because 308 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: he and like my all my kids have been with 309 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: me and we sort of travel as a family, you know, 310 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: it all together. And all three of them as babies 311 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: have come to work with me. They come to the trailer, 312 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: you know, so I can be nursing were they're really 313 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: used to the changing of locations, and they understand that 314 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: our family is also spread apart, because you know, family 315 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: in Australia, Poland, America, it's a whole thing, and so 316 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: they kind of get get it. But I do know 317 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: that there will come a point with my eldest first, 318 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure where you know, he's not going to want 319 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: to do that anymore. He's gonna want to stay, gonna 320 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: want to have his friends, and it's going to be 321 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: a readjust. So it's very much on my on my mind. 322 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: Now you know, this whole gypsy life that I've been 323 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: doing for almost two decades is you know, there's going 324 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 2: to be a readjust And yeah, it's ever changing. 325 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: It's wild, and there's that personal side of it. And 326 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: then I guess I'm I'm so curious about the sort 327 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: of individual personal to professional because not to you know, 328 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: we're all exhausted by it. I don't want to get 329 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: in the weeds of politics, but it's not lost on me. Also, 330 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: what you had said that the bookend of Handmaids is 331 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: the beginning and this last season are occurring at very 332 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: odd times politically, what is sort of the most challenging 333 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: part for you about playing a character like Serena Joy, 334 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: which was going to be my question anyway. And then 335 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: I guess I wonder how you're navigating the sort of 336 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: intersection of your work as a performer as it relates 337 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: to the larger landscape of the world. Does it make 338 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: it harder in a way to leave work at work, 339 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: or does it make the work feel more important than ever? 340 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: Or maybe it's a little bit of both. 341 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, back when I first started the job, 342 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: I never imagined how significant the show would become in 343 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: the political space, nor did I ever consider myself to 344 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: be politically articulate in any way, shape or form. But 345 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: you know, it's it goes hand in hand. I mean, 346 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: the show and the and the politics and what it represents. 347 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: I mean, it's unavoidable. I never imagined, you know, what 348 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: I would I didn't understand the scope of the character 349 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: either or what it would go, you know, beyond the book, 350 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: what we've done with Serena, what the writers of Britain, 351 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: what I've you know, the places I've gone to in 352 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: these scenes. I remember feeling super uncomfortable with a lot 353 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: of it at the beginning. Obviously, the ceremony scenes were 354 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: probably the hardest, and I felt and it felt icky, 355 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: and then you know, and then I got used to it, 356 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: and we you know, we have you know, work is 357 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: like any other kind of a fun workplace. We go, 358 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: we tell jokes, it's light, it's not you know, it's 359 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: not a serious set outside of what we're doing between 360 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: action and cot and and then you know, and I 361 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: started to really enjoy what this character and I mean, 362 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 2: what was on offer in terms of the scenes and 363 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: what I've been able to do just as a performer, 364 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: and how amazing. You know, these scenes just push you 365 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: to the limits of all the gray areas of humanity 366 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: and sort of trying to justify how this woman operates 367 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: and whatever. And obviously she's kind of like, you know, 368 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: over here, like this weird best friend but not best 369 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 2: friend in my life. And and then, you know, the 370 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: other day, I just didn't want to be in her 371 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: shoes anymore. I just remember thinking, God, it was such 372 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: a hard day. I just didn't want to be the 373 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: person representing her anymore, even though I am and I 374 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: will and I do it proudly, I do it with 375 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 2: you know, because she's in a way, she's kind of 376 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: like you know, one of my creative babies, and I 377 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: am excited to see this through to the end because 378 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: of what you know it all represents and stuff. But 379 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: it's I was like thrown back into that first season 380 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: and then some kind of just like thinking, who it 381 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: was a hard day to sort of get it together. 382 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: It was probably the first and only time in the 383 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 2: last twenty years that I've come to set and not 384 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: been able to get through a rehearsal or a blocking 385 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: and just was just going through all the things. 386 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's the thing. These containers are reflective of 387 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: the human experience. And I think the most incredible thing 388 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: about film or television is it can create a container 389 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: for conversation or catharsis or learning, and it's a it's 390 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: a big container to be in in the present moment. 391 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: And you know, when I think about the the dystopian 392 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: world that at would created in The Handmaid's Tale and 393 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: this conversation about you know, women and our bodies being 394 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: the property and objects of men, I think there was 395 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: a time where we thought, oh, we've passed that, and 396 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: then we've we've been dragged back, kicking and screaming, and 397 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: suddenly this dystopian tail feels like a reality. And I 398 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I wish I could give you a hug, Like, 399 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: how are you not supposed to have a terrible day 400 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: when that? I don't know if the word is like 401 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: comes to roost or what, But I can't imagine how 402 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: you could not have at least a day like that 403 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: at work dealing with this as a woman and a mother, 404 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's a lot, it's a lot to carry. How 405 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: are you taking care of yourself in the midst of it? 406 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: Like not to be a you know, to sound like 407 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: a wellness girly, but I'm like, what is your self 408 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: care routine? Are you okay? Can I send you cookies? Like? 409 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: What's going on? 410 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: I don't think there is. I mean, I don't really 411 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: have what self care routine? Oh my god, I have 412 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: no time for that. But I know it was one 413 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: of those days where I just thought, I mean, I 414 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: just was like, I am going to give myself permission 415 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: to just be messy today because I show up at 416 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: work every day, you know, and I do my thing, 417 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: and I've been doing this for so long. I'm going 418 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: to have one one messy day out of the twenty 419 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: years that I've been doing this. And I just sort of, 420 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was the self care is 421 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: just to allow for that to happen. And you know, 422 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: we have women, a lot of women on set, and 423 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 2: that was also part of it. I think everyone was 424 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 2: deep deep funk. And I know we had a couple 425 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: of people come to sit that weren't even working that 426 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: day just because we had to. We just had to 427 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, sit around and chat and you know, cry 428 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: and do all the things we needed to do. You know. Interestingly, 429 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: I have my my whole family lives in Poland except 430 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: for my parents, and they just had went through a 431 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: similar kind of a thing about a year ago. It's 432 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: my twenty two year old cousin is living with us 433 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: right now, helping me with my kids, and she was 434 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: she came to work with me, and they're they're living 435 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: that right now, you know, the women's rights. Ah, they're 436 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: living it and and and it's just it's kind of 437 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: interesting having her here because you know, they're they're already 438 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: in that space and we are sort of I think, well, 439 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: God knows what's going to happen. We can all imagine, 440 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's yeah, it's just a bit, it's it 441 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: feels icky and I don't know. I was sort of 442 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: in a conversation also the other day about someone who 443 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: was trying to sort of stay positive and have hope, 444 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 2: and although I do have hope and for various reasons whatever, 445 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: but I wasn't ready for that conversation either. 446 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: No, yeah, you're like, give me a beat, okay, because 447 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: I would imagine it was Again, I don't want to project, 448 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: but I just empathetically, I imagine it was tough to 449 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: do season five knowing it was coming out after the 450 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: fall of. 451 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: Row and now season six is your final season and 452 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: we're we're back here. Does it does it feel sort 453 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: of sad as a performer to say, oh, I wish 454 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: this shadow wasn't over this last moment with this wonderful 455 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: group of people I work with, or does it kind 456 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: of make you feel relieved that you're almost done having 457 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: to be in the world of this, you know, cinematic universe. Yeah. 458 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, I do I feel relieved 459 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: that we're almost done. But I'm also I'm also sort 460 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: of in awe and just I cannot believe how aligned 461 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: this show has been just over the course of its time. 462 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: It's it's as if the writers have had a magical 463 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: crystal ball, but they haven't obviously, but it is insane 464 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: how they will write stuff and then that very thing 465 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: will become very prominent in the news or something, you know, 466 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: various things, and it's just been really wild to what 467 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: it's it's I mean, it's kind of like it was 468 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: meant to be if you believe in you know, based 469 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: and destiny and the universe sort of providing a platform 470 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 2: of sorts. But it does really feel that way. 471 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, if your writers have the crystal ball 472 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: or their pen is weirdly predictive, can they write us 473 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: a really heroic ending class and thank you? Yeah, and 474 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: now a word from our sponsors. Well, aside from all 475 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: of this, how do you feel like the show has 476 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: you know, impacted the trajectory of your career? Has it 477 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: been an incredible place just to learn and glean? I mean, 478 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: I think about the folks you work with and the writers, 479 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: and you know, even to be with Bradley Whitford and 480 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: his you know, incredible sort of iconic career. It appears 481 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: that in every direction there's amazing teammates for you and 482 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: now you know you're starring in and executive producing Teacup 483 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: on Peacock, which, by the way, it's terrifying. I watched 484 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: the first episode. I was like, I don't do horror 485 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: for a reason. And here I am, and I am 486 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: a fan of yours, and We're gonna do this interview 487 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna watch the thing, and I was like, 488 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm have nightmares. The suspense in the show is so good, 489 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: and the and the dynamics between these characters feel so 490 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: rich and real. You know, has working on a show 491 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: like Handmaids influenced the way you you run your sets? 492 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? I definitely. You know, Handmaids was sort of 493 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 2: I think where I was inspired you. So many of 494 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: my costmates, if not all of them, do things other 495 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: than just act, you know, like Ot did, made his 496 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: you know, made a television show. He wrote it, he 497 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: was in it, he directed it, sold it to Hulu. 498 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: You know, Max is directing. I mean, there's just a 499 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: bunch of we have such an amazing group, and I 500 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: I remember thinking, Wow, this is really inspiring. And alongside 501 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: sort of this movement, if we should call it that 502 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: that has finally started to celebrate women in this space 503 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: and female cinematographers and female directors and it feels like 504 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: we're finally sort of going and exploring this area and 505 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: seeing other actresses who I don't even know, but seeing 506 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: them sort of go and do other things and direct 507 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 2: and take charge of they're greater creative dreams. And so, 508 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, looking at all of that and what I 509 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: used to do back in the day in Australia with 510 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: my own little theater company, and you know how creative 511 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: that was, I just thought, Wow, I really I need 512 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: to do that too. And so it was during the 513 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: pandemic really when we were here in Toronto shooting Handmaids, 514 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: that I thought, you know, I'm going to start planning 515 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: all these seas to to branch out and start getting 516 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: into this creative process, which led me into you know, 517 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: optioning a book called a Woman of Intelligence, which you know, 518 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: that's going to be another project that I'm that I'll 519 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: ep that I'm in development for right now, and teacup 520 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: and even just last year waking up in the middle 521 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: of the night and and sort of deciding I'm going 522 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: to do a short film and I'm going to film 523 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: in three weeks and just you know, writing that, directing it, 524 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: and just getting into that space of creativity has been 525 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: really rewarding, and it's it is really inspiring to see 526 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: people doing that all around and being really good at it. 527 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: That's so cool. Can you tell the folks at home 528 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: what Teacup is about? 529 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: Well, Teacup is a horror, much more horror than I 530 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: originally thought it was going to be a series about. Well. 531 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: I play a woman called Maggie, Maggie channaw With and 532 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: she has a husband and two kids, and they live 533 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 2: on a farm in Georgia, and they are, you know, 534 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: a regular ordinary family until weird stuff starts happening on 535 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: the farm and they end up sort of getting contained 536 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: to the farm by this. I guess you could call 537 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: it a force of some kind that they cannot explain. 538 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: And so the show sort of follows the characters trying 539 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: to figure out what is going on, and it gets 540 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: pretty gruesome at point at some points with a pretty 541 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: banging ending. And my favorite element of the show, and 542 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: what got me interested in the first place, is the 543 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: sort of the family relationships and the character part of it, 544 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: because I love the fact that you know, Scott Speedman 545 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 2: plays my husband James, and straight in the pilot you 546 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: understand that you know he's had an affair. He's done 547 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: something bad, and they're already at odds with each other 548 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 2: and they're hiding it from the kids, and there's a 549 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 2: great amount of tension just kind of going into it 550 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 2: already emotionally, which is really fun as a performer to 551 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: sort of start there. Yeah, and then the rest of 552 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: it unfolds. 553 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really exciting. In the pilot, that first 554 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: scene with you and the actress who plays his mom, 555 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: I just thought, God, this is so well written because 556 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: the audience hasn't had it explained what he's done, but 557 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: you have a hunch and you don't talk about it. 558 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: You just say it's not you that I'm mad at, 559 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: or whatever that version of the line is. And I 560 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, it's just so it's so good and 561 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: smart because it lets us, it lets us begin solving 562 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: a mystery right away before we even know what the 563 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: mystery of the show is. You know, there's a mystery 564 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: in the house, and it's just very, very exciting, and 565 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: it's really fun to see your your touch on it. 566 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it sets the scene for sure for this 567 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: distrust that ends up occurring, like in spades because of 568 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: the horror element, but we already have this emotional element. 569 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I just I really love the character act. 570 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: I mean, all episodes are now up and available, but 571 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: I still I'm not going to do any spoilers because 572 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: that but certainly there the journey of the character at 573 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: the end, just going back into like her relationship with 574 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: her husband and what that means and what she has 575 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: to do in the end, there's a lot of sort 576 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: of tough decisions that she makes and she sort of 577 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: ends up becoming this warrior woman. And it was and 578 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 2: it was super fun, like the last two episodes, just 579 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 2: in terms of an emotional challenge and what we had 580 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: to do through was was really exciting for me. And 581 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: certainly handmade sets of really high bar when it comes 582 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 2: to emotional drama. So this was this was really really 583 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 2: meeting the mark. 584 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, yeah, what feels really important to you? 585 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: What's sort of the central force when you're choosing the 586 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: projects that you want to work on. Do you gravitate 587 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: towards certain types of stories and roles or is the 588 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: goal to always have each feel completely different than the last. 589 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 2: I do like everything to feel different, for sure, But 590 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: I think if I had to pick one thing that 591 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: was the main thing, it would be some kind of weird, 592 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 2: complex emotional journey that is kind of left of center. 593 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: I just I find it, really I find humanity fascinating. 594 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: I find psychology fascinating. I find the gray area fascinating. 595 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: Like all the things that like I'm I'm the girl 596 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 2: that's there, the debrief that goes to four o'clock in 597 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 2: the morning with you know whoever who is up for that, 598 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: and just like touching on every aspect of whatever the 599 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: conversation is about, and debriefing until you know there's nothing 600 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: left a debrief about. I love that stuff. I just 601 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 2: find it absolutely fascinating. And how we operate as humans 602 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: and what influences us each individually to behave a certain 603 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: way or to react in certain ways to others and 604 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: circumstances that make us react in to I just think 605 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: it's absolutely fascinating. So when you get a character, I 606 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 2: mean someone like Serena Joy, I mean that's like intense 607 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: and amazing or even you know, I did this thing 608 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 2: once called Stateless about a woman who ended up in 609 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: a detention center who it is just like fast, she 610 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 2: was so fascinating and complex. And then or a character 611 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 2: facing intensely complex decisions like Maggie and Teacup. I just 612 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 2: that's sort of probably the biggest, the biggest thing that 613 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 2: I look for. But having said that, I also would 614 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 2: really love to do something funny me too, just because 615 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: you know, maybe I need to be done a little 616 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: bit with like that kind of stuff. So you know, 617 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: maybe maybe the next thing is just something just totally 618 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 2: random and bar fetched in the other direction. 619 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: Sign me up. I think we all could use a 620 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: little bit of humor at the moment. Yes, for sure, 621 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: What where does a woman of intelligence fall? Is it 622 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: also quite serious? Can you give us a little overview 623 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: of what it's like to adapt a novel and dig 624 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: into something like that? 625 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's definitely a drama for sure. But 626 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: having said that, the woman, I mean, it's about this 627 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 2: amazing woman who's a mother of two young children and 628 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: she loves being she loves her kids, but she's not 629 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 2: the best at being a mom. And it's set in 630 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: I mean, this is interesting because it's set in fifties 631 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: New York when it was rare that women worked. But 632 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: our main character actually is she speaks many languages and 633 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: she works for the United Nations, and so she has 634 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 2: this job, and she meets this guy, and the guy 635 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 2: wants to celebrate her for everything she has and tells 636 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: her that if we have kids, sure you're going to 637 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: keep working and you can have your life and you know, 638 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: be fabulous and whatever. And then that doesn't happen, and 639 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: so and so she feels changed to this home with 640 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: these two young children. He's a pediatric surgeon, so he 641 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 2: insists that she stay home and nurse them untill they're 642 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: seventy five and all the things, and she ends up 643 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: getting approached by the FBI to work for them and 644 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 2: spy on her old flame from college who is our KGB. 645 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: So there's all these sort of tie ins. I feel like, 646 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 2: just in terms of what I loved about it, aside 647 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 2: from the fact that it's an incredibly dense, rich novel 648 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: filled with amazing storylines and characters, but it's the themes 649 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: about women and what it meant back then to be 650 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 2: a woman, and how you had to present yourself as 651 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 2: a mother, you know, as a daughter in law, a 652 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: working woman, which was where at the time, you know, 653 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: all the things. I love all of that in the 654 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: parallels to now, as well as the political landscape of 655 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 2: that time period and how it reflects back to us 656 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 2: in the now. So, yeah, that's sort of where that 657 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 2: that is or I guess I just told you the 658 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 2: whole storyline of that, not that you asked. 659 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: It's really exciting. And when do we get to see it? 660 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 2: As early days we're very much like sort of in 661 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 2: development right now writing scripts. 662 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't wait. Yeah, that sounds like an absolute dream. 663 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: And you know so many of these women, regardless of timeline, 664 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: are not only dealing with their individual identities, but as 665 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: you've said, they're shaped by motherhood in one way or another. 666 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: What is it sort of like for you? I mean, 667 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: you've got three young boys. All their work is you know, 668 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: behind you on the wall right now we're seeing obviously 669 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: cars is big in your house too. How you mentioned 670 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: earlier that you understand, you know, you're sort of prepping 671 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: for when being mobile in the way our jobs require 672 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: is not necessarily going to be as easy. How do 673 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: you navigate it? And yes, I know the irony that 674 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: the men never get asked this question, but I am 675 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: always quite fascinated by the women that I know who 676 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: do all of it. You know you're wearing every hat. 677 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: How how have you integrated this into your career at large. 678 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the million dollar question, isn't it? 679 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 1: No pressure? 680 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you know if I'm I mean, I'm super honest. 681 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 2: There's not a day that goes by where I'm not 682 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 2: really actively wondering how on earth am I going to 683 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 2: do this? And somehow I'm doing it. But I'm also 684 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 2: every day wandering, gosh, what are we going to I'm 685 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 2: already you know. The other yesterday, I me and my 686 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 2: husband were having a conversation of like, well, what are 687 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 2: we doing after Canada? Are we going home? Are we 688 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 2: We don't know yet what where we're going based on 689 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 2: my work, and so it's just kind of I don't 690 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 2: it's a massive it's a massive juggle. I don't know 691 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: that I have it figured out sort of in theory. 692 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever to explain it. I 693 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 2: just know that it's working. I don't think it for 694 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 2: sure wouldn't be possible without my extraordinary husband, who is 695 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: at home with the kids when I'm at work. And 696 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: so that's I mean, we kind of have a traditional 697 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 2: role of all Darren, you know, so I'm the one 698 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 2: that goes to work and he stays but I you know, 699 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 2: if I if I could be one hundred percent stay 700 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 2: at home mom, that's that's sort of my goal. I 701 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 2: want to feel like I'm one hundred percent a stay 702 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 2: at home mom, so I'm present with my kids because 703 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 2: it's so important to me to create the time. But 704 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 2: I also I also love what I do, and I 705 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 2: and I want to do what I do, and I 706 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 2: support my family, and so I have to balance it. 707 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 2: I think the only way that right now, and how 708 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 2: I've been justifying that is that it's sort of fifty fifty. 709 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 2: So for the times where I'm intensely at work, there's 710 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 2: an equal amount of time where I haven't been at work, 711 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 2: and I have been that version of the stay at 712 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 2: home mom one hundred percent of the time that I 713 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 2: want to be as well. And it's just it's one 714 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 2: of those things that you can't map out. It's because 715 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 2: of how crazy actors' schedules are and how crazy it 716 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 2: is that you know you're supposed to be here, there, everywhere, 717 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 2: and there's only one of you. How we balance it 718 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 2: is it's just kind of a case by case on 719 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 2: a day to day thing, you know, and a lot 720 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 2: of it comes down to just my partner and I 721 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 2: how we juggle it together and how we sort of 722 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 2: hand you know, past the baton on each time and 723 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 2: givvy it up. So yeah, it's I remember being fascinated 724 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 2: by this too with other actresses before I had kids. 725 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 2: I remember when I did Stateless with Kate Blanchett, and 726 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 2: I know she has a bunch of kids, and I 727 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: remember asking her like, how on earth do you do this? 728 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 2: Because I didn't understand it either, And lo and behold, 729 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 2: I found myself in a similar with three. I mean, 730 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 2: she has four, I think kids by three, and I 731 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 2: never thought I would have that many kids even, you know, 732 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 2: And it's this struggle, but yeah, it's an ongoing thing. 733 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our wonderful sponsors. But 734 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: I think what's really amazing is that people are talking 735 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: to each other about it. And you know, I don't 736 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: think it's taboo to say I love my job and 737 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: I don't want to give it up, and I love 738 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: my family and I want to be with them as 739 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: much as I can. And that requires sacrifice in both directions, 740 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: and it requires a full village. Like that's reality. And 741 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 1: I think the more we can kind of let each 742 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: other in on it instead of like keep it a 743 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: secret like inside Baseball, the better, you know. A friend 744 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: of mine said to me, She was like, yeah, you 745 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: can have it all, you just can't have it all 746 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,879 Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, and I thought, you know what, 747 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: it's the simplest way I've ever heard anybody talk about it. 748 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: And then you just made me feel a lot better. 749 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, kind of amazing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's 750 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 2: it's about prioritizing and really kind of I don't know. 751 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't know. I don't know 752 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 2: how to answer that. What is the best I'm just 753 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 2: trying to make it work. I'm like everybody else. I'm 754 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 2: just trying to make it work. I don't have the answers. 755 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: That's it. 756 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 2: It's like you guys got to do it. 757 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: You just have to do what he's just doing the 758 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: best way I can. 759 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 760 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: Well, you're on this precipice of so many exciting things, 761 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, the bittersweetness of a project that's about to 762 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,919 Speaker 1: wrap after six seasons, the new show is out, You're 763 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: developing this book that sounds absolutely amazing. You know, the 764 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: kiddos are flourishing. It's a I would imagine it can 765 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: feel really exciting to look forward, despite who knows what 766 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: it means. Where do you go, where do you move? 767 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,919 Speaker 1: What feels like the work in progress for you as 768 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: you kind of look out at what's to come over 769 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: the next year, the work in progress. 770 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 2: I think it's really allowing myself the thoughtful time and 771 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 2: space to create, like the next two decades, you know, 772 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 2: create it whatever, like make it so that it's how 773 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 2: I truly really want to to be. So it's not 774 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 2: it's not like other people telling me I should do something, 775 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 2: or you know, being heavily influenced whatever. I just feel 776 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 2: like there's I've come to a point in my life, 777 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 2: probably when I turned forty, where I realized I probably 778 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 2: sort of got to know myself the most that I've 779 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 2: ever gotten to know myself in a really huge way. 780 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 2: And I think kind of looking back at the last 781 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 2: twenty years and realizing that perhaps some of those career 782 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 2: decisions or even life decisions on a personal level, weren't 783 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 2: my own own, that they were navigated maybe not necessarily 784 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 2: by me and solely me. I think the next two 785 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 2: decades I would like for it to be a different 786 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,479 Speaker 2: kind of a journey where I'm really focusing on what 787 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 2: I want, what I prioritize, and also what brings me joy. 788 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 2: I've just kind of like worked my ass off, which 789 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 2: is great. Here I am in this amazing moment, ending 790 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 2: an amazing TV show and starting all this other stuff. 791 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,280 Speaker 2: I don't think I would have got here without working 792 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 2: my ass off. But I also I don't want to 793 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 2: work my ass off anymore. In that same way, I 794 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 2: want to do it for things that I don't know 795 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 2: that are that are really special and meaningful that kind 796 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 2: of take me back to my roots. I just feel 797 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 2: like I'm sort of entering this space where I want 798 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 2: to honor honor where I came from in a weird way. 799 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 2: And I'm not even sure if I'm articulating this in 800 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 2: the best way, but just that old version of me 801 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 2: that used to create and had the theater company and 802 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,240 Speaker 2: made all the things, and kind of get back into 803 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 2: that version of myself married to the discoveries that I've 804 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 2: made where I've landed now in my forties and kind 805 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 2: of go from there and create that space. 806 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's wonderful and I I 807 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know every woman that I speak to lately who's 808 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: kind of in our you know, peer group who's at 809 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: this stage feels that like, oh, I want it's like 810 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: a sharper focus that's deeper and yeah, and and more 811 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,280 Speaker 1: more in one's own control. And I think that's really beautiful. Yes, 812 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: definitely more, really exciting. Yes, And I can't wait to 813 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: see what's next. I can't wait just to watch everything. 814 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to keep watching this show now because 815 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,280 Speaker 1: it's very good. Even the horror and I don't get along, 816 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: so I agree with you have to talk about it, 817 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll find a comedy to do so. 818 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 2: Hopefully. I'm not I'm in a groom with I'm not 819 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 2: a horror person anymore. I used to be, but I'm not. 820 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 2: I'm not a horror person and I've ended up in 821 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 2: a horror show. Yeh. But yeah, it's yeah, it's it's 822 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 2: a fun one. 823 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: It's definitely really it's really very good. Thank you so 824 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: much for coming on today. 825 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me. This was really fun. 826 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: It's lovely