WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Right Here Waiting 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.359 I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde, and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:13.399 The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Wherever you go, whatever you do, 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:20.120 I will be right here waiting for you. Addition, yes, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.560 the weight is over is Dave Lapham joins me for 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.160 what is typically the most downloaded episode of this podcast 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.720 each year, as we discuss what we would do and 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.800 then predict what the Bengals will do in our final 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.919 episode before the draft, and before we get to that, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.239 it's what you would do as I share the results 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:44.600 of my highly unofficial Bengals fans consensus mock draft. The 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.680 Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by bud Light Seltzer. Refresh 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.080 the game, and here's a quick reminder that you can 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.240 have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.000 your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:02.000 Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:08.080 since Dave Lapham's In the Trenches podcast. My broadcast partner 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.240 is so modest that I didn't even know until last 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.360 week that he started doing his own podcast in January. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.360 And it's awesome. It's an interview format and laps guest 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:22.400 list is impressive. Including Bengals legends like Boomerissiasin, Chris Collinsworth, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.160 Isaac Curtis, and Andrew Whitworth. I learned all sorts of 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.280 good nuggets in his conversation with Big Wit, including the 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.800 fact that after having knee surgery in Los Angeles, Joe 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.000 Burrow watched NFL games on some Sunday afternoons on the 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.680 couch at Whitworth's house. I binged through six episodes last 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.480 week and they were all great. So check out the 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:50.120 In the Trenches podcast with Dave Lappham. Now let's get 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.000 to the draft. I conducted an interesting project on Twitter 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.800 last week in an attempt to produce the consensus mock 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.720 draft of Bengals fans. I asked my Twitter followers to 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.320 go to any mock draft simulator and make Cincinnati's picks 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.680 in the first four rounds with no trades allowed. That 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.120 would have made things too complicated. Then I asked them 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.600 to take a screenshot and send me the results. Three 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.040 hundred fifty five people responded in the first twenty four hours. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.920 That's a pretty good sample size. And here are the 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:30.079 unscientific results. With a fifth pick of the two twenty 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:36.280 one NFL Draft Cincinnati Bengals fans select Jamar Chase wide 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.880 receiver Lsu. Based on the Twitter verse, Bengals fans are 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.480 overwhelmingly team Chase. Jamar received two hundred thirty six out 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.760 of three hundred fifty five first round votes. That's a 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:53.239 two thirds supermajority. Pine Sewell received ninety four votes, that's 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:57.280 twenty six percent. Kyle Pitts received twenty one of paltry 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.760 six percent. One you see fan opted for Bearcat's offensive 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:08.000 lineman James Hudson. I'm pretty sure he was joking. With 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.920 the thirty eighth pick of the twenty twenty one NFL draft, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:18.960 Cincinnati Bengals fans select Alex Leatherwood, offensive lineman Alabama. Since 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.840 more than seventy percent of you selected a receiving target 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.959 in round one either Chase er Pits, it makes sense 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.760 that the top five vote getters in the second round 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.959 were all offensive linemen, led by Leatherwood, who played left 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.840 tackle the last two years at Alabama but might be 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.120 better suited to play guard in the NFL. The Bengals 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.920 second round pick is thirty eighth overall. Leatherwood checks in 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.880 at number thirty four on Dane Brugler's Big Board and 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.480 number forty according to Pro Football Focus. He did not 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:53.440 make Daniel Jeremiah's Top fifty. Bengals fans that selected Pinay 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.320 Sewel in round one typically went for a wide receiver 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.480 in round two, and the leading vote getter was Elijah 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.160 Moore of All Ole, miss, who received one more vote 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.600 than Terris Marshall of LSU. Elijah Morris thirty fifth on 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.000 the Dane Brugler Board, twenty second according to Pro Football 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.440 Focus and thirty eighth on Daniel Jeremiah's Top fifty. Judging 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.960 by that more would be a good pick at number 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.720 thirty eight, Terris Marshall is twenty eighth according to PF, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.839 thirty seventh on Daniel Jeremiah's list, and forty eighth on 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:31.080 the Brugler Big Board. With the sixty ninth pick of 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:36.800 the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, Cincinnati Bengals fans select 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.640 Milton Williams, defensive tackle Louisiana Tech. Williams is a little 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.200 undersized for a tackle at two hundred eighty four pounds, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.360 but he is a great athlete who ran a four 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.160 six forty at that size. He is seventieth on the 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.680 Bruglar Board and number seventy three according to PF, so 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.400 that's just about right for the Bengals third round pick, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:03.480 number sixty nine overall. With the one hundred eleventh pick 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.760 of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, Cincinnati Bengals Fans 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:13.480 select Kendrick Green, offensive guard Illinois. Green was a three 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.880 year starter for the Fighting Alni and a second team 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.120 All American this year. He's sixty eighth on the PF 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.599 Board and eighty fourth according to Dane Brugler, so that 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.400 would appear to be an excellent fourth round selection if 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.600 available at number one eleven overall. It's notable to me 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.960 that the Bengals Fans four round mock draft does not 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.000 include a pass rusher. I would be surprised if that's 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.440 the way it plays out. In fact, I wouldn't rule 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.600 out a pass rusher in the second round. If somebody 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.359 slides that they have a first round grade on, and 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.840 Dane Brugler has five edge rushers in his top thirty two, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.600 I have a hard time imagining they won't take one 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.320 in the first four rounds. But based on three hundred 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.039 and fifty five of you, the Bengals Fans consensus mock 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.640 draft in the first four rounds go Jamar Chase, Alex Leatherwood, 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:07.200 Milton Williams, and Kendrick Greene. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.039 presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.080 a hint of fruit flavor. Now, without further ado, it's 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.679 time for my final pre draft podcast with Dave Lapham 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:24.480 Lat Bengals fans are split into three camps, alphabetically Team Chase, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.400 Team Pits, Team Sewel. But I want to start with 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:33.719 a fourth possibility. Could trading down still be possible? Or 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.479 low and behold, could they actually draft somebody else? I 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:42.279 think trading down is a possibility, but I think it's 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.960 getting more and more remote because I think they are 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.360 down to a big three of choices, and if they're 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.600 going to trade back, I don't think they want to 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.040 trade back much further than eight to make sure they 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.520 don't lose any one of those three. You know, you 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.320 don't want to trade back and give up on a 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.400 guy who could have such a huge impact on the 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:06.400 football team. But you know, the thought of three of 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.600 the top forty plus players in the draft for the 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.960 top sixty plus players in the draft you know has 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:17.080 some appeal. But again, you've you've gotten to the fifth 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.280 pick in the draft, in the first pick the year 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.720 before for a reason, and it's a tough, tough reason reasons. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.320 You don't want to go through that anymore. So if 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.120 there's if there's a guy that you feel comfortable with, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.880 and I think there's probably more than one guy they 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.480 feel comfortable with, there could be a difference maker with 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.320 that fifth pick in the draft. You stay in pick, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.760 and I think that guy should be a candidate for 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.000 Rookie of the Year, should be a candidate for the 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.600 Pro Bowl, should be a candidate for those type of things. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.840 He shouldn't be just a starter, you know, necessarily first 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.840 and foremost. He better be a contributor starter as such. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.160 But you know, I think you're hoping that, like Joe 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.800 Burrow was first pick of the draft, Rookie of the 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.040 Year candidate until the end, and that's what you're looking 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:03.880 for with the fifth pick of the draft as well. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.040 All Right, we are going to get to your prediction. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.240 People always want to know who you predict the Bengals 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.920 are going to go. We'll do that at the end 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.400 of this conversation. But I want to get to our preference. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.320 Who would you like to see them pick number five? Overall? 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.920 I guess I guess as a former lineman, I'd like 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.840 to see them pick Seul because all I'd have to 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.960 do as a teammate of Joe Burrow is look at 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:35.800 his scar and say, cool, that's ugly. How did that happen? Well, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.280 it happened because he didn't get a good protection up front. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.600 And it wasn't just off the edge, it was in 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.080 the middle of the offensive line. The offensive line just 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.840 has to get better, period. And I think that this 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.160 draft is very deep in offensive lineman, which could say, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.280 you know, you could say, well, you don't necessarily have 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.000 to take Seul. There are guys that could help the 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.680 Bengals and maybe all the way to the third round, 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.480 and I agree with that, But that receiver, I mean, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:07.040 there's there's other receivers besides Chase that could help the Bengals. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.520 The key is how much of a dropoff is there 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.880 from Seoul to Slater to whoever else as opposed to 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.839 Chase to the number two receiver whoever else. How big 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.920 of a dropoff is there? Because you're not just worried 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.520 about the fifth pick, you're about worried about the entire draft. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:27.200 So where's the where's the depth by position? When is 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.120 the run going to be made on that depth in 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.600 that position? So as you're as you're contemplating not just 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.920 the fifth pick, but the first pick in that second round, 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.960 which is another high draft pick, what will be there? 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.920 Do you think there'll be more offensive lineman to choose 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.000 from the receivers of a high caliber or the other 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.600 way around. That might influence what I do with that 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.480 first pick of the draft potentially, But bottom line, Dan is, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.040 in my opinion, there's more of a shortage of offensive 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.680 lineman in the NFL than wide receivers. On a team 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.960 by team basis and simple math, you have five guys 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.000 of the eleven, it's almost so you have to come 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.080 up with five solid guys and hopefully a star in 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.360 there somewhere to protect your quarterback, and then next would 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.559 be receiver. You know, go three wise, so that's three 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.240 elevenths of it. You know you're getting over a quarter 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:24.280 But the offensive lineman, there's everybody that plays basketball in 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.079 high school for example, it's not going to get a 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.920 college basketball scholarship. They play football and play wide receiver. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.480 I mean, there's so many more bodies playing wide receiver 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.520 at every level of football than there are as you know, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.680 solid offensive lineman playing at every level of football. Because 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.040 number one, it's not a glamorous position. Oh man, I 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.240 got to play in the line. That sucks. I don't 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.160 want to play in the line. Everybody wants to play receiver. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.080 It scored touchdowns, and you know that's that's where touchdown 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.720 makers are made, and Chase is certainly a touchdown maker. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.800 But it's it's such a big need league wide that 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.640 if you can, if you can come up with a 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.520 guy that is going to be potentially projected to be 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.760 a really, really good player, I find it hard to 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.600 resist to go there. I'm with you, I've been and 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.040 I remain a card carrying member of team Sewell did 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.720 a lot of research into trying to determine why I 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.920 feel that way. The other day, here's a few things 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.760 that I came up with. In Tom Brady's playoff run 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.440 last year, so not the Super Bowl, but the four 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.200 playoff games that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers played, and he 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.840 was hit sixteen times, sixteen times in four games, four 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.160 times per game. Joe Burrow got hit eighteen times in 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.600 Week three by the Philadelphia Eagles last year and sacked eight. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.040 He was sacked thirty two times in his nine and 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.280 a half games. That was still top ten in the NFL. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.840 He was hit more than seventy And just remember how 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.720 devastated we were, how gutted we felt seeing him on 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.160 the back of that cart in Washington in the tenth game. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.480 I never want to see that again. Then I look 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.000 at Piney Sewell, and I'm no expert. I don't claim 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.080 to be a grading tape, but I see a three 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.480 hundred and thirty one pound man who looks like he's felt. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:12.520 I have never seen anybody at his size move like that. Furthermore, 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.920 people want to talk about the arms, thirty three at 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.480 a quarter inches, a little less than you would like. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.080 I suppose he doesn't turn twenty one until the second 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.320 week of October. His arms actually might still be growing. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.240 I mean, I don't know how much you grow after 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.400 the age of twenty, but it's possible. As a nineteen 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.679 year old sophomore, he won the Outland Trophy as the 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.960 nation's best offensive lineman. He did not surrender a single 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.319 sack in thirteen games. He earned Pro Football Focus, his 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.239 highest grade ever for a tackle in a Power five conference. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.000 I do think there are going to be starters available 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.120 in the offensive line in round two, maybe round three. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:51.960 There's no doubt in my mind that can get a 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.320 competent offensive lineman. But that's not what I want at 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.360 this point. I want a star. When they went to 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.400 the super Bowl twice in the eighties, Anthony Munios was 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.520 the left tackle. When they went to the playoffs six 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.960 times in seven years, beginning in two thousand and nine, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.280 Andrew Wittworth was the left tackle. I want to maximize 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.360 the possibility of getting a guy like that to start 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.959 at one of the tackle spots for the next ten years, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.280 right and if he does, in fact, I have to 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.600 play guard initially. I'm okay with that too, because you're 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.000 not going to bullrush that big beast. You know. Andrew 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.439 Witworth played guard initially before he went out to play 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:34.000 the left tackle position and now left tackle. Those were 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.360 the you mentioned Anthony Munios and Andrew Worworth, the two 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.000 best left tackles the franchise history. And the proofs in 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.760 the pudding by the stats that you talked about mentioned 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.839 the same thing in quite a few podcasts that I've 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.000 done around the country. That two Super Bowls with Anthony 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.560 in the eighties, five straight playoff appearances with Whitton the 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:54.960 you know in the Marvin Lewis era, those are the 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.520 two best left tackles, Pine Seul, I agree with you, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.920 some guys are out of proportion. He is totally proportioned. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:09.000 He's big everywhere, and I can I can speak from 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:13.360 playing against Samoans. He's originally from the island of Samoa. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:18.600 These guys are like rooted trees. You can't move them 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.520 when they when they decide to hunker down, they are 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.440 literally in a movable object. Their knees were over their ankles, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.200 their hips were over their knees, and man, they got 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.840 knee bend and it's like whoa man? Trying to move 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.720 some of these big Samoan defensive tackles was a chore. Man, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.280 I'm telling you, it was like slept good that night 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:39.920 because you're dead tired. And not only that is what 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.160 we're talking about with the size and the balance, that 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.360 leads to balance. Obviously, the first thing I remember about 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.280 Anthony Munio's was he filled the doorway. He had big, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.920 big hair at that stage when he was drafted and 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.320 he literally filled the doorway we went out in the field. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.560 Though he looked like turn in five pound defensive back 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.120 with the sweet feet, the lateral movement in the foot court. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.000 That's what this guy. This guy has that those kinds 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.640 of sweet feet. So yeah, I think he's I think 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.520 he's rare. Now can you nippick? Yeah, you can nippick everybody. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.360 You can nip pick everybody in anybody. But I do 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:17.880 think that again, reference in the Super Bowl, Patrick Mahomes. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.200 Hard to be Patrick Mahomes. When you run a feet 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.360 of life. What happened? The offensive line got beaten up. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.720 So therefore in the Super Bowl the quarterback had no shot, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.400 even the great Patrick Mahomes trying to. I mean he 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.320 was Kreskin making some of the throws that he made 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.880 literally and even he couldn't get it done. So you 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.600 need guys up front. He was pressured on twenty nine 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.160 to fifty six drop backs in the Super Bowl. He 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.960 ran scrambling around trying to find an open receiver for 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.040 four hundred and ninety seven yards that was measured on GPS. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.720 So that's not just you know, a joke. Four hundred 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.960 and ninety seven yards running around ninety six point four 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.400 million people watched the Super Bowl last year. At times 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.920 I wonder if any of them lived in Cincinnati. Guys, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.160 that was the ultimate lesson for no matter how good 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.400 your quarterback is or your weapons, Tyree Kill, Travis Kelsey, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.000 Clyde Edwards a layer. If you don't have protection, you 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.840 can't get it done. And they did not score a 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:18.200 touchdown in the Super Bowl, the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs. Absolutely. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.280 I mean, it's it's it's simple to me. You know, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.200 people are gonna say, all right, chicken or the egg, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.080 and if they draft Chase, I won't go nuts, but 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.520 I probably won't agree, but I won't go nuts. I mean, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.720 I can see that I can make a case for 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.440 drafting any of them. Pits, Chase a suit can anybody 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.640 can make a good case. They are all three difference 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:46.160 makers in different ways. But to me, you have to 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:51.680 have a good offensive line before your weapons can operate. 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:53.840 If you don't have a good offensive it doesn't matter 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.320 what you have for weapons. It doesn't matter if you 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.120 have Pro bowlers across the board, future Hall of Famers 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.040 across the board. If your offensive line is not up 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.240 to snuff, going to struggle. The reason why I'll be 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.760 okay with it if they go for Chase or Pits 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.720 is when I look at the draft as rounds one 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:16.120 and two versus just round one. Because I do wonder 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.879 when I do bock drafts and draft simulators and stuff 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:24.199 like that, if the overall value of receiver weapon first, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.760 lineman second is greater than the overall value of lineman first, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.640 weapon second. I agree. That's That's what I was referencing 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.320 in terms of the overall depth of you know, what 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.960 would be available to you with that next next selection. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.679 So instead of tunnel vision just at five, you know, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.960 you're thinking first, second, and even third round, you're gonna 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.399 have three of the top sixty some odd picks, you know, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.960 in the entire draft, and what's what's the best order 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.160 the best way to do that, And that's what they're 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.000 going through right now is stacking their board by position 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.399 and then the big board. And they're probably still in 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.119 the process as we do this podcast to doing that 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.879 sort of thing. So it's going to be interesting interesting 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.359 to see what they do decide. And uh, you know, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.840 I mean Pits that you look at you look at him, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.240 I mean, he's a he's a weapon to I don't 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.360 even look at him as a tight end. I look 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.480 at him as an ex receiver because you go three 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.160 receivers and you put him all by himself in one 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.680 on one situation, and who's going to cover that big 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.879 bad boy at six to five plus a round, two 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.399 hundred fifty pounds running four fours with an eighty two 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.000 inch wingspan. So when he's covered, he's open one on one. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.360 I mean, so you have matchup problems. And then if 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.199 you decide to go Nickel, he's a willing blocker. I'm 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.479 not gonna say he's close to dominant. You know, he's 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.320 maybe slightly less than solid, but he's willing, So run 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.800 the ball. And then if you don't go Nickel, spread 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.800 them out and put him in a matchup. So now 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.640 you have Now you have you punch and making them 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.320 counterprins instead of the other way around. You're looking for 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.440 something from a weapon standpoint to give you an advantage 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.119 to punch them, and they're like, oh, now they have 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.600 to counter and can't you know, in a situation with pits, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.480 maybe you can't make the right call. You know, whatever 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.880 your answer is, they have an answer for the answer 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:19.919 because of the mismatch that he gives from a physical standpoint. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.120 But yeah, I don't I don't look at him necessarily 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.000 as a tight end. I don't, you know. I think 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.479 he's a he's a true hybrid, But I look at 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.119 him as more of a receiver than a than a 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.159 than a tight end. Darren Waller, Yeah, Darren Waller, I 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:40.280 think that when I'll go back to Kellen Winslow senior, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.480 what what Don Correll was doing with Kellen Winslow senior, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.399 back when we beat him in the Freezer Bowl, and 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.239 when they were good with that forty nine ers air 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.880 correall with Charlie Joyner and and you know, players like that. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.680 He was. He was a receiver. He wasn't a tight end. 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.240 That that dude was a big receiver that caused everybody 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:04.159 mismatch problems. And he could still be growing. He was 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.440 born three days before Pena Sewell. Let's move on to 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.360 the next topic. Let's just say they take our advice 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.840 and select Sewell number five, leading, leaving a need for 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.320 a deep threat at wide receiver. Give me three names 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.479 you like in round two, and they don't necessarily have 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.159 to be wide receivers. You might want an edge rusher 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.880 or whatever. But but give me three names for round two. Yeah, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.320 I mean i'd go I'd probably go wide receiver, and 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.520 my wide would be Diami Brown from North Carolina. I 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.919 like him. He's got decent size, six feet, about one 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.080 hundred and ninety pounds, still runs in the mid four fours. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.560 He's got, you know, some some decent length to him 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.680 as well. In twenty four games, one hundred and six 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.160 catches over twenty one hundred yards, twenty one hundred thirty 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.760 three yards, twenty touchdowns on average over twenty yards per reception. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.760 I think I think he's he's a dynamic guy. I 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.080 think he'd be somebody. One of the things that I 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.960 like about Joe Burrow, and obviously what Joe Burrow likes 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.400 about Chase is they've done it together. They've already done 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.600 it and at LSU in that offense that they ran 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.719 with Joe Brady, I was a pro style offense with 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.560 pro style concepts that the Bengals have adapted a lot 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:25.719 into their scheme. And in two thy nineteen Joe Burrow 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.320 and Chase hooked up for ridiculous numbers. I mean chases 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.840 numbers are still SEC records. I mean, it's it's it's stupid. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:39.320 His numbers are eight let's see, eighty four catches, seventeen 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.679 eighty yards, twenty touchdowns. The yards and the touchdowns are 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.680 SEC records, still averaged over twenty one yards a catch. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:52.480 So they're well coached, they're well trained, they know each 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:57.880 other cold. That all translates to the NFL. When you're 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.000 scouting a guy like Chase, the routes that he's run 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:05.400 against SEC corners, which are NFL corners, and the production 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.760 all translates well to the National Football League. And Joe 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:10.960 Burrows the one that was thrown on the rock and 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.200 then he's opted out this year. But in a year 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.280 where the Union staying on, I'm not going to do 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.720 much in the offseason. You may have a mini camp, 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.280 you know, and go to training camp. How much of 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.879 an edge would it be for Joe Burrow to already 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.639 have all of that advanced work with Chase. He's not 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.040 worked with a guy who's never been with before. He's 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:32.879 not thrown to a guy that I've never thrown to. 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:34.919 This guy, I don't know what his gates like. I 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:36.440 don't know how far I have to throw the deep 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.320 ball for him to make plays. That's all that's all done, 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.240 that's already all there. So that's why I wouldn't be 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.480 totally disgusted if they took Chase. That's a big, big 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.359 factor in my mind. It's it's actually a tiebreaker in 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.320 my mind, honestly, you know. But so here's another guy 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.760 that I go with it following that, that that line 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:02.280 of thinking. Terris Marshall lsu six two two five four 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.800