1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde, and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Wherever you go, whatever you do, 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: I will be right here waiting for you. Addition, yes, 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: the weight is over is Dave Lapham joins me for 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: what is typically the most downloaded episode of this podcast 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: each year, as we discuss what we would do and 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: then predict what the Bengals will do in our final 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: episode before the draft, and before we get to that, 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: it's what you would do as I share the results 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: of my highly unofficial Bengals fans consensus mock draft. The 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by bud Light Seltzer. Refresh 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the game, and here's a quick reminder that you can 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: since Dave Lapham's In the Trenches podcast. My broadcast partner 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: is so modest that I didn't even know until last 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: week that he started doing his own podcast in January. 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: And it's awesome. It's an interview format and laps guest 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: list is impressive. Including Bengals legends like Boomerissiasin, Chris Collinsworth, 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: Isaac Curtis, and Andrew Whitworth. I learned all sorts of 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: good nuggets in his conversation with Big Wit, including the 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: fact that after having knee surgery in Los Angeles, Joe 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Burrow watched NFL games on some Sunday afternoons on the 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: couch at Whitworth's house. I binged through six episodes last 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: week and they were all great. So check out the 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: In the Trenches podcast with Dave Lappham. Now let's get 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: to the draft. I conducted an interesting project on Twitter 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: last week in an attempt to produce the consensus mock 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: draft of Bengals fans. I asked my Twitter followers to 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: go to any mock draft simulator and make Cincinnati's picks 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: in the first four rounds with no trades allowed. That 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: would have made things too complicated. Then I asked them 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: to take a screenshot and send me the results. Three 35 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: hundred fifty five people responded in the first twenty four hours. 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good sample size. And here are the 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: unscientific results. With a fifth pick of the two twenty 38 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: one NFL Draft Cincinnati Bengals fans select Jamar Chase wide 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: receiver Lsu. Based on the Twitter verse, Bengals fans are 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly team Chase. Jamar received two hundred thirty six out 41 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: of three hundred fifty five first round votes. That's a 42 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: two thirds supermajority. Pine Sewell received ninety four votes, that's 43 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: twenty six percent. Kyle Pitts received twenty one of paltry 44 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: six percent. One you see fan opted for Bearcat's offensive 45 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: lineman James Hudson. I'm pretty sure he was joking. With 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: the thirty eighth pick of the twenty twenty one NFL draft, 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals fans select Alex Leatherwood, offensive lineman Alabama. Since 48 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: more than seventy percent of you selected a receiving target 49 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: in round one either Chase er Pits, it makes sense 50 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: that the top five vote getters in the second round 51 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: were all offensive linemen, led by Leatherwood, who played left 52 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: tackle the last two years at Alabama but might be 53 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: better suited to play guard in the NFL. The Bengals 54 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: second round pick is thirty eighth overall. Leatherwood checks in 55 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: at number thirty four on Dane Brugler's Big Board and 56 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: number forty according to Pro Football Focus. He did not 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: make Daniel Jeremiah's Top fifty. Bengals fans that selected Pinay 58 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Sewel in round one typically went for a wide receiver 59 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: in round two, and the leading vote getter was Elijah 60 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Moore of All Ole, miss, who received one more vote 61 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: than Terris Marshall of LSU. Elijah Morris thirty fifth on 62 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: the Dane Brugler Board, twenty second according to Pro Football 63 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Focus and thirty eighth on Daniel Jeremiah's Top fifty. Judging 64 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: by that more would be a good pick at number 65 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight, Terris Marshall is twenty eighth according to PF, 66 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: thirty seventh on Daniel Jeremiah's list, and forty eighth on 67 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: the Brugler Big Board. With the sixty ninth pick of 68 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, Cincinnati Bengals fans select 69 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: Milton Williams, defensive tackle Louisiana Tech. Williams is a little 70 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: undersized for a tackle at two hundred eighty four pounds, 71 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: but he is a great athlete who ran a four 72 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: six forty at that size. He is seventieth on the 73 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Bruglar Board and number seventy three according to PF, so 74 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: that's just about right for the Bengals third round pick, 75 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: number sixty nine overall. With the one hundred eleventh pick 76 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, Cincinnati Bengals Fans 77 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: select Kendrick Green, offensive guard Illinois. Green was a three 78 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: year starter for the Fighting Alni and a second team 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: All American this year. He's sixty eighth on the PF 80 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: Board and eighty fourth according to Dane Brugler, so that 81 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: would appear to be an excellent fourth round selection if 82 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: available at number one eleven overall. It's notable to me 83 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: that the Bengals Fans four round mock draft does not 84 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: include a pass rusher. I would be surprised if that's 85 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: the way it plays out. In fact, I wouldn't rule 86 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: out a pass rusher in the second round. If somebody 87 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: slides that they have a first round grade on, and 88 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler has five edge rushers in his top thirty two, 89 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: I have a hard time imagining they won't take one 90 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: in the first four rounds. But based on three hundred 91 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: and fifty five of you, the Bengals Fans consensus mock 92 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: draft in the first four rounds go Jamar Chase, Alex Leatherwood, 93 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: Milton Williams, and Kendrick Greene. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 94 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with 95 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: a hint of fruit flavor. Now, without further ado, it's 96 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: time for my final pre draft podcast with Dave Lapham 97 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: Lat Bengals fans are split into three camps, alphabetically Team Chase, 98 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Team Pits, Team Sewel. But I want to start with 99 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: a fourth possibility. Could trading down still be possible? Or 100 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: low and behold, could they actually draft somebody else? I 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: think trading down is a possibility, but I think it's 102 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: getting more and more remote because I think they are 103 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: down to a big three of choices, and if they're 104 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: going to trade back, I don't think they want to 105 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: trade back much further than eight to make sure they 106 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: don't lose any one of those three. You know, you 107 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: don't want to trade back and give up on a 108 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: guy who could have such a huge impact on the 109 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: football team. But you know, the thought of three of 110 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: the top forty plus players in the draft for the 111 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: top sixty plus players in the draft you know has 112 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: some appeal. But again, you've you've gotten to the fifth 113 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: pick in the draft, in the first pick the year 114 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: before for a reason, and it's a tough, tough reason reasons. 115 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: You don't want to go through that anymore. So if 116 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: there's if there's a guy that you feel comfortable with, 117 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: and I think there's probably more than one guy they 118 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: feel comfortable with, there could be a difference maker with 119 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: that fifth pick in the draft. You stay in pick, 120 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: and I think that guy should be a candidate for 121 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, should be a candidate for the 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, should be a candidate for those type of things. 123 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: He shouldn't be just a starter, you know, necessarily first 124 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: and foremost. He better be a contributor starter as such. 125 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I think you're hoping that, like Joe 126 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: Burrow was first pick of the draft, Rookie of the 127 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Year candidate until the end, and that's what you're looking 128 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: for with the fifth pick of the draft as well. 129 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to get to your prediction. 130 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: People always want to know who you predict the Bengals 131 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: are going to go. We'll do that at the end 132 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: of this conversation. But I want to get to our preference. 133 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: Who would you like to see them pick number five? Overall? 134 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: I guess I guess as a former lineman, I'd like 135 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: to see them pick Seul because all I'd have to 136 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: do as a teammate of Joe Burrow is look at 137 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: his scar and say, cool, that's ugly. How did that happen? Well, 138 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: it happened because he didn't get a good protection up front. 139 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just off the edge, it was in 140 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: the middle of the offensive line. The offensive line just 141 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: has to get better, period. And I think that this 142 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: draft is very deep in offensive lineman, which could say, 143 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, you could say, well, you don't necessarily have 144 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: to take Seul. There are guys that could help the 145 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: Bengals and maybe all the way to the third round, 146 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: and I agree with that, But that receiver, I mean, 147 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: there's there's other receivers besides Chase that could help the Bengals. 148 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: The key is how much of a dropoff is there 149 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: from Seoul to Slater to whoever else as opposed to 150 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: Chase to the number two receiver whoever else. How big 151 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: of a dropoff is there? Because you're not just worried 152 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: about the fifth pick, you're about worried about the entire draft. 153 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: So where's the where's the depth by position? When is 154 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: the run going to be made on that depth in 155 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: that position? So as you're as you're contemplating not just 156 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the fifth pick, but the first pick in that second round, 157 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: which is another high draft pick, what will be there? 158 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: Do you think there'll be more offensive lineman to choose 159 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: from the receivers of a high caliber or the other 160 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: way around. That might influence what I do with that 161 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: first pick of the draft potentially, But bottom line, Dan is, 162 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion, there's more of a shortage of offensive 163 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: lineman in the NFL than wide receivers. On a team 164 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: by team basis and simple math, you have five guys 165 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: of the eleven, it's almost so you have to come 166 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: up with five solid guys and hopefully a star in 167 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: there somewhere to protect your quarterback, and then next would 168 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: be receiver. You know, go three wise, so that's three 169 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: elevenths of it. You know you're getting over a quarter 170 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: But the offensive lineman, there's everybody that plays basketball in 171 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: high school for example, it's not going to get a 172 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: college basketball scholarship. They play football and play wide receiver. 173 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many more bodies playing wide receiver 174 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: at every level of football than there are as you know, 175 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: solid offensive lineman playing at every level of football. Because 176 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: number one, it's not a glamorous position. Oh man, I 177 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: got to play in the line. That sucks. I don't 178 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: want to play in the line. Everybody wants to play receiver. 179 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: It scored touchdowns, and you know that's that's where touchdown 180 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: makers are made, and Chase is certainly a touchdown maker. 181 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: But it's it's such a big need league wide that 182 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: if you can, if you can come up with a 183 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: guy that is going to be potentially projected to be 184 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: a really, really good player, I find it hard to 185 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: resist to go there. I'm with you, I've been and 186 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: I remain a card carrying member of team Sewell did 187 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: a lot of research into trying to determine why I 188 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: feel that way. The other day, here's a few things 189 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: that I came up with. In Tom Brady's playoff run 190 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: last year, so not the Super Bowl, but the four 191 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: playoff games that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers played, and he 192 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: was hit sixteen times, sixteen times in four games, four 193 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: times per game. Joe Burrow got hit eighteen times in 194 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Week three by the Philadelphia Eagles last year and sacked eight. 195 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: He was sacked thirty two times in his nine and 196 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: a half games. That was still top ten in the NFL. 197 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: He was hit more than seventy And just remember how 198 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: devastated we were, how gutted we felt seeing him on 199 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: the back of that cart in Washington in the tenth game. 200 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: I never want to see that again. Then I look 201 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: at Piney Sewell, and I'm no expert. I don't claim 202 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: to be a grading tape, but I see a three 203 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one pound man who looks like he's felt. 204 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I have never seen anybody at his size move like that. Furthermore, 205 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: people want to talk about the arms, thirty three at 206 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: a quarter inches, a little less than you would like. 207 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: I suppose he doesn't turn twenty one until the second 208 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: week of October. His arms actually might still be growing. 209 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much you grow after 210 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: the age of twenty, but it's possible. As a nineteen 211 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: year old sophomore, he won the Outland Trophy as the 212 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: nation's best offensive lineman. He did not surrender a single 213 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: sack in thirteen games. He earned Pro Football Focus, his 214 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,239 Speaker 1: highest grade ever for a tackle in a Power five conference. 215 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: I do think there are going to be starters available 216 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: in the offensive line in round two, maybe round three. 217 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind that can get a 218 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: competent offensive lineman. But that's not what I want at 219 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: this point. I want a star. When they went to 220 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: the super Bowl twice in the eighties, Anthony Munios was 221 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: the left tackle. When they went to the playoffs six 222 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: times in seven years, beginning in two thousand and nine, 223 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Wittworth was the left tackle. I want to maximize 224 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: the possibility of getting a guy like that to start 225 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: at one of the tackle spots for the next ten years, 226 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: right and if he does, in fact, I have to 227 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: play guard initially. I'm okay with that too, because you're 228 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: not going to bullrush that big beast. You know. Andrew 229 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: Witworth played guard initially before he went out to play 230 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: the left tackle position and now left tackle. Those were 231 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: the you mentioned Anthony Munios and Andrew Worworth, the two 232 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: best left tackles the franchise history. And the proofs in 233 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: the pudding by the stats that you talked about mentioned 234 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: the same thing in quite a few podcasts that I've 235 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: done around the country. That two Super Bowls with Anthony 236 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: in the eighties, five straight playoff appearances with Whitton the 237 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: you know in the Marvin Lewis era, those are the 238 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: two best left tackles, Pine Seul, I agree with you, 239 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: some guys are out of proportion. He is totally proportioned. 240 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: He's big everywhere, and I can I can speak from 241 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: playing against Samoans. He's originally from the island of Samoa. 242 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: These guys are like rooted trees. You can't move them 243 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: when they when they decide to hunker down, they are 244 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: literally in a movable object. Their knees were over their ankles, 245 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: their hips were over their knees, and man, they got 246 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: knee bend and it's like whoa man? Trying to move 247 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: some of these big Samoan defensive tackles was a chore. Man, 248 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it was like slept good that night 249 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: because you're dead tired. And not only that is what 250 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about with the size and the balance, that 251 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: leads to balance. Obviously, the first thing I remember about 252 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: Anthony Munio's was he filled the doorway. He had big, 253 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: big hair at that stage when he was drafted and 254 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: he literally filled the doorway we went out in the field. 255 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: Though he looked like turn in five pound defensive back 256 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: with the sweet feet, the lateral movement in the foot court. 257 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: That's what this guy. This guy has that those kinds 258 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: of sweet feet. So yeah, I think he's I think 259 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: he's rare. Now can you nippick? Yeah, you can nippick everybody. 260 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: You can nip pick everybody in anybody. But I do 261 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: think that again, reference in the Super Bowl, Patrick Mahomes. 262 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: Hard to be Patrick Mahomes. When you run a feet 263 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: of life. What happened? The offensive line got beaten up. 264 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: So therefore in the Super Bowl the quarterback had no shot, 265 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: even the great Patrick Mahomes trying to. I mean he 266 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: was Kreskin making some of the throws that he made 267 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: literally and even he couldn't get it done. So you 268 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: need guys up front. He was pressured on twenty nine 269 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: to fifty six drop backs in the Super Bowl. He 270 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: ran scrambling around trying to find an open receiver for 271 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety seven yards that was measured on GPS. 272 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: So that's not just you know, a joke. Four hundred 273 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: and ninety seven yards running around ninety six point four 274 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: million people watched the Super Bowl last year. At times 275 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if any of them lived in Cincinnati. Guys, 276 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: that was the ultimate lesson for no matter how good 277 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: your quarterback is or your weapons, Tyree Kill, Travis Kelsey, 278 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards a layer. If you don't have protection, you 279 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: can't get it done. And they did not score a 280 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: touchdown in the Super Bowl, the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs. Absolutely. 281 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's simple to me. You know, 282 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: people are gonna say, all right, chicken or the egg, 283 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: and if they draft Chase, I won't go nuts, but 284 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: I probably won't agree, but I won't go nuts. I mean, 285 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: I can see that I can make a case for 286 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: drafting any of them. Pits, Chase a suit can anybody 287 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: can make a good case. They are all three difference 288 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: makers in different ways. But to me, you have to 289 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: have a good offensive line before your weapons can operate. 290 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: If you don't have a good offensive it doesn't matter 291 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: what you have for weapons. It doesn't matter if you 292 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: have Pro bowlers across the board, future Hall of Famers 293 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: across the board. If your offensive line is not up 294 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: to snuff, going to struggle. The reason why I'll be 295 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: okay with it if they go for Chase or Pits 296 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: is when I look at the draft as rounds one 297 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: and two versus just round one. Because I do wonder 298 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: when I do bock drafts and draft simulators and stuff 299 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: like that, if the overall value of receiver weapon first, 300 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: lineman second is greater than the overall value of lineman first, 301 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: weapon second. I agree. That's That's what I was referencing 302 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: in terms of the overall depth of you know, what 303 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: would be available to you with that next next selection. 304 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: So instead of tunnel vision just at five, you know, 305 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: you're thinking first, second, and even third round, you're gonna 306 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: have three of the top sixty some odd picks, you know, 307 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: in the entire draft, and what's what's the best order 308 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: the best way to do that, And that's what they're 309 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: going through right now is stacking their board by position 310 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: and then the big board. And they're probably still in 311 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the process as we do this podcast to doing that 312 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: sort of thing. So it's going to be interesting interesting 313 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: to see what they do decide. And uh, you know, 314 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean Pits that you look at you look at him, 315 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's a weapon to I don't 316 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: even look at him as a tight end. I look 317 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: at him as an ex receiver because you go three 318 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: receivers and you put him all by himself in one 319 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: on one situation, and who's going to cover that big 320 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: bad boy at six to five plus a round, two 321 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: hundred fifty pounds running four fours with an eighty two 322 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: inch wingspan. So when he's covered, he's open one on one. 323 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean, so you have matchup problems. And then if 324 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: you decide to go Nickel, he's a willing blocker. I'm 325 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: not gonna say he's close to dominant. You know, he's 326 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: maybe slightly less than solid, but he's willing, So run 327 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: the ball. And then if you don't go Nickel, spread 328 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: them out and put him in a matchup. So now 329 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: you have Now you have you punch and making them 330 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: counterprins instead of the other way around. You're looking for 331 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: something from a weapon standpoint to give you an advantage 332 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: to punch them, and they're like, oh, now they have 333 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: to counter and can't you know, in a situation with pits, 334 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: maybe you can't make the right call. You know, whatever 335 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: your answer is, they have an answer for the answer 336 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: because of the mismatch that he gives from a physical standpoint. 337 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't I don't look at him necessarily 338 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: as a tight end. I don't, you know. I think 339 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 1: he's a he's a true hybrid, But I look at 340 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: him as more of a receiver than a than a 341 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: than a tight end. Darren Waller, Yeah, Darren Waller, I 342 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: think that when I'll go back to Kellen Winslow senior, 343 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: what what Don Correll was doing with Kellen Winslow senior, 344 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: back when we beat him in the Freezer Bowl, and 345 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 1: when they were good with that forty nine ers air 346 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: correall with Charlie Joyner and and you know, players like that. 347 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: He was. He was a receiver. He wasn't a tight end. 348 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: That that dude was a big receiver that caused everybody 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: mismatch problems. And he could still be growing. He was 350 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: born three days before Pena Sewell. Let's move on to 351 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: the next topic. Let's just say they take our advice 352 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: and select Sewell number five, leading, leaving a need for 353 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: a deep threat at wide receiver. Give me three names 354 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 1: you like in round two, and they don't necessarily have 355 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: to be wide receivers. You might want an edge rusher 356 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. But but give me three names for round two. Yeah, 357 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean i'd go I'd probably go wide receiver, and 358 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: my wide would be Diami Brown from North Carolina. I 359 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: like him. He's got decent size, six feet, about one 360 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety pounds, still runs in the mid four fours. 361 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: He's got, you know, some some decent length to him 362 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: as well. In twenty four games, one hundred and six 363 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: catches over twenty one hundred yards, twenty one hundred thirty 364 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: three yards, twenty touchdowns on average over twenty yards per reception. 365 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: I think I think he's he's a dynamic guy. I 366 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: think he'd be somebody. One of the things that I 367 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: like about Joe Burrow, and obviously what Joe Burrow likes 368 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: about Chase is they've done it together. They've already done 369 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: it and at LSU in that offense that they ran 370 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: with Joe Brady, I was a pro style offense with 371 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: pro style concepts that the Bengals have adapted a lot 372 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: into their scheme. And in two thy nineteen Joe Burrow 373 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: and Chase hooked up for ridiculous numbers. I mean chases 374 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: numbers are still SEC records. I mean, it's it's it's stupid. 375 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: His numbers are eight let's see, eighty four catches, seventeen 376 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: eighty yards, twenty touchdowns. The yards and the touchdowns are 377 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: SEC records, still averaged over twenty one yards a catch. 378 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: So they're well coached, they're well trained, they know each 379 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: other cold. That all translates to the NFL. When you're 380 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: scouting a guy like Chase, the routes that he's run 381 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: against SEC corners, which are NFL corners, and the production 382 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: all translates well to the National Football League. And Joe 383 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: Burrows the one that was thrown on the rock and 384 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: then he's opted out this year. But in a year 385 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: where the Union staying on, I'm not going to do 386 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: much in the offseason. You may have a mini camp, 387 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, and go to training camp. How much of 388 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: an edge would it be for Joe Burrow to already 389 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: have all of that advanced work with Chase. He's not 390 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: worked with a guy who's never been with before. He's 391 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: not thrown to a guy that I've never thrown to. 392 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: This guy, I don't know what his gates like. I 393 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: don't know how far I have to throw the deep 394 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: ball for him to make plays. That's all that's all done, 395 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: that's already all there. So that's why I wouldn't be 396 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: totally disgusted if they took Chase. That's a big, big 397 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: factor in my mind. It's it's actually a tiebreaker in 398 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: my mind, honestly, you know. But so here's another guy 399 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: that I go with it following that, that that line 400 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: of thinking. Terris Marshall lsu six two two five four 401 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: four forty long, you know, seventy eight and an eighth wingspan, 402 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: almost thirty three inch arms length to his arms. I mean, 403 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen games, ninety four catches over fourteen hundred yards, 404 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: twenty three touchdowns, fifteen yard average. He's a player. He 405 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: can run, he can stretch the field. Another guy would 406 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: be Rashad Bateman, kid from Minnesota. You know, I think 407 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: he's he's a possibility. His numbers are pretty good in 408 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: six ft one hundred and ninety pounds four four forty 409 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, there's that's what That's what I'm 410 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: saying in my mind. There's a lot of guys, there's 411 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of receivers, but you can probably say 412 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: you can say the same thing for offensive linement. There 413 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: are a lot of offensive linement. You can see in 414 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: my mind, Dan, everybody's saying this is a great draft 415 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: for offensive linement. I think is a great draft for guards. 416 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: I think some of these tackles are guards because you know, 417 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: you're you're drafting a goose to play tackle, but physically 418 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: you might be drafting the duck and a duck at 419 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: the goose, so so they may have to kick inside 420 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: to play guard a little bit. You know, in terms 421 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: of arm length in particular, a lot of these guys 422 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: are in my mind, thirty three inches is that's about 423 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: the break breakpoint. If you're into thirty three inches, And 424 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: if you're if you've already always had short arms and 425 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: have been able to overcome it. Normally, you'll have extraordinary 426 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: balance because now you're in a phone booth and the 427 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: guy can't get you off your feet. But if you 428 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: have short arms, are not great balance, you're cooked. You're 429 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: you're in big trouble. So the guys with short arms 430 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: have some other physical talent that compensates for the lack 431 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: of one thing. They have something else that they've learned 432 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: to employ that makes up for it. But yeah, it's 433 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: it's it's going to be very interesting. I'd be happy 434 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: with any any three of those guys. You know, I'm 435 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: not sure that all be there in the second round, 436 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: and some of the linemen you think might be there 437 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: in the second round aren't because when the coaches start 438 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: doing evaluating, you know, along with the gems and there, 439 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: now it's a different animal than the draft analysts and 440 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: everybody doing their evaluations. So I wrote down three names 441 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: as well for second round picks that I like if 442 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: they select Sewell in round one. One of my three 443 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: names was one of the guys you mentioned. Diamy Brown, 444 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of North Carolina, had more than 445 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: fifty catches each of the last two years and average 446 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: more than twenty yards per catch each season, so obviously 447 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: he would bring that a deep threat. I wrote down 448 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: Elijah Moore, the wide receiver from Ole, miss A little 449 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: bit smaller than I would like, five nine, one seventy eight, 450 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: a little bit gadgety there, but just such an explosive 451 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: weapon four three five forty fastest three cone drill of 452 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: any of the wide receivers. The Patriots always put a 453 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: lot of stock into that had nearly twelve hundred receiving 454 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: yards last year. Don't know if it'll be there in 455 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: round two, but I wrote down that name, and then 456 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: I did write down one edge rusher that I think 457 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: probably would be there when the Bengals select thirty eighth 458 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: overall in the second round. Carlos Basham out of wake 459 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: Forest sixty three two seven four. We had a four 460 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: five nine forty, had eleven sacks a couple of years 461 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: ago at Wake Forest, So that would be a scenario where, Okay, 462 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of wide receivers left. We're gonna 463 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: get our edge rusher and then take a wide receiver 464 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: in round three. That's why I wrote down the name. 465 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Carlos Basham. Yeah, I like a guy that you saw 466 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: a Peyton Turner. I'm not sure that might be a 467 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: little rich. He's like a two. Maybe he might be 468 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: there for them in the third round, but I bash 469 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: him's a guy that I've got in my notes as well. 470 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: But this kid out of Houston's a little bit bigger, 471 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: six five plus two seventy. He's got thirty five thirty 472 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: five inch arms. That's long. He's long. He's long and strong. 473 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: He's got good feet ten and a quarter hands. He 474 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: gets those hands on you he's he's really good with 475 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: his hands, and he's got multiple moves to rip, the swim, 476 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: the spin. He's he's pretty advanced. Eighty four inch you know, 477 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: overall wingspan. My gosh, you know they talk about Pitts 478 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: an eighty two inch wingspan, which is crazy for a 479 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: tight end. But this, this big dude eighty four inch wingspan. 480 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be back in the Kennon lever 481 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: the back of your shoulder pads before you can even 482 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: even realize it. So yeah, I mean there's I wouldn't 483 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed if they go 484 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: with a good edge guy in the second round as well. 485 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: I think we're in agreement that the three big needs 486 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: are offensive line, wide receiver, and edge rush. Those those 487 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: are the three. However order they go, I'd like to 488 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: see those three things be addressed early and then double down, 489 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, go go on line. Defensive line and dan 490 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: running backs are always you know, undervalued. Really good running 491 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: backs is going to be there in the fifth, sixth round. 492 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: If you've got to get another running back to get 493 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: in the mix with with Geo departing, you can get 494 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: you can find guys that's even more so than the 495 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: wide receiver position, and they're devalued. They're not as valuable 496 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: as wide receiver. So you know, and it's strange two quarterbacks. 497 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: These guys, I mean, everybody's going to be draft in 498 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: the quarter The first three picks, obviously we're thinking are 499 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: going to be quarterbacks. What it's going to be interesting 500 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: to me, will Atlanta go at the fourth option at 501 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: quarterback and overpay, you know, to to draft that guy, 502 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: or will they take the best non quarterback in their mind, 503 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, in the draft, and then after that quarterback run, 504 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: they all get pushed back. So you're gonna and people 505 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, well boy, the quarterbacks drafted early. A 506 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of them bust because they're overdrafted. They have guys 507 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: that should have been draft in the second and third 508 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: round going in the top ten in some cases. And 509 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: then the guys that go that that slide because you know, 510 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: now they're oh they weren't in the first five or 511 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: six they stink. Get them in the fourth to sixth round. 512 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: These guys can play, they have good NFL careers, So 513 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: it's like real, real early, and you can get yourself 514 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: a nice bargain on one later. All right, let's go 515 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: to the next scenario. They take either chase or pits 516 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: number five overall. So now we're looking at an offensive 517 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: lineman in a round two. Who are some of the 518 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: guys that you like, that you think have a decent 519 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: chance of being there at number thirty eight overall? Yeah, 520 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got some interest in a guy, and 521 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: I've heard conflicting reports, but I've heard more reports that 522 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: maybe this guy might not be there early in the 523 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: second round. Walker a little out of Stanford. I think 524 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: this guy six seven plus three hundred and fifteen pounds 525 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: very athletic. For as tall as he is, his arms 526 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: aren't super long thirty three and three quarters, but you know, 527 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: long enough his reaches eighty one and three quarters, so 528 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: he has some some overall length to him. But his 529 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: problem is he got hurt early in two nineteen and 530 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: opted out in twenty twenty. You know, you got to 531 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: you got to go back to two eighteen to get 532 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: tape on him and get a solid evaluation. But he 533 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: has gotten bigger and stronger. He's an incredible athlete, though, 534 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: And a lot of these linemen this year man their grandfather, 535 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: their father, their brother, their uncles, their cousins. They all 536 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: played in the NFL. A lot of these guys have 537 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: huge bloodlines. Slater's dad played in the NBA. You know, 538 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: he's got really good feet, and you know, you can 539 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: see why the genetics are there for his dad. You're 540 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: playing the NBA's You know, Dan, you've got to be 541 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: a decent athlete man, big body guys that can run 542 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: in short space, quickness and cutting, all those sorts of things. 543 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: So I like him. Um, I'm not I'm not sure 544 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: he'd be there, but and then, and then some people 545 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: would probably say, you know that that's too big a 546 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: risk because you know, now you got to go to 547 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen to really evaluate the tape. But if you're 548 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: an athlete, you're an athlete, you know. So I don't know. 549 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: I like him. I can Bird from Penn State has 550 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of appeal to me, you know. Um, 551 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: but his arms less than thirty three inches, so I 552 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: think he's more of a guard. I'm sure he's over. 553 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: He's compensated for his short arms. His hands aren't real big, 554 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: his reaches under eighty inches. He's not he's six six, 555 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: but he's not long with that six six. But he's athletic, 556 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's he's he's a very good 557 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: football player, played at a high level of football. U 558 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: Dylan Redunds, who got Player of the Week and practice 559 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: player of the week at the at the Senior Bowl. 560 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: I like that kid. Over six five, over three hundred pounds, 561 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: and he's got some length his arms with thirty four inches, 562 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: he's over eighty inch. Reached North Dakota State, you know, 563 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: as a good program of the small schools. I like 564 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Banks a little bit too from Notre Dame as 565 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: a guard. I like him inside. I also like Landon Dickerson. 566 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: I know he's got I know he's got some some 567 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: injury issues that he's dealing with, but I like him 568 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: because he's a He's one of those guys that is 569 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: a leader. You know, he's he has one of these 570 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: unbelievable attitudes and he kind of lifts the whole the 571 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: whole room, the whole offensive line room. And to me, 572 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: if they can get a starting guard, I wouldn't have 573 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: a tremendous issue with that. And you know, in my mind, 574 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: I still think Fred Johnson has some potential. I still 575 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: think Adnagy has some potential. When I look at Fred 576 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: Johnson and I look at i Dentergy, I'm thinking they've 577 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: got what you're gonna get in a third or fourth round, 578 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: maybe even the second round. They've got potential. Now, can 579 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: Frank Pollock get it out of him? I think he 580 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: can so. In my mind, I think those guys can 581 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: really make a jump from last year to this year, 582 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: year one to year two for Dentagy and Fred just 583 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: has to, you know, understand the game's got to be 584 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: more important to him than it is. And I think 585 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: Frank Pollock may help that along a little bit. I'm 586 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: not going to pretend to be an expert in offensive 587 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: line play, but the Athletic came out with a consensus 588 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: big board, where basically they took fifty or more than 589 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: fifty big boards from all the various draft gurus out 590 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: there and then combined him to produce, you know, a 591 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: one through three hundred order based on all of these 592 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: people out there studying the draft. So the Bengals have 593 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: the thirty eighth pick, that's they're picking the second round. 594 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: Alex Leatherwood from Alabama came in at thirty eight on 595 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: the consensus board. Samuel caused me from Texas thirty nine, 596 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: Eikenberg whom you mentioned, forty seven Radin's if that's how 597 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: it's pronounced from North Dakota State forty six. So those 598 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,239 Speaker 1: are the kinds of guys that are likely to be 599 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: there when they are selecting in the second round if 600 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: they go for a weapon in the first. So there's 601 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: going to be somebody right around that, you know, thirty 602 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: eight on the consensus big board that'll be there. Let's 603 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper into the draft, rounds three 604 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: in beyond, So this is a real wild card for 605 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: US three players, any position that you like. Rounds three 606 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: in beyond. I like a kid from right up the 607 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: road in Miami, Ohio, an offensive lineman, a tackle, fourth round, 608 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: probably no earlier than that, sixty eight three, twenty pounds. 609 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: He's got an eighty three and seven eighths wingspan, he's 610 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: got a thirty five and eighth reach, So he's a big, long, tall, 611 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: athletic kid. Me Doyle is his name, and he looks 612 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: like to me like he's a pretty good football player. 613 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: Now would he need to be developed, you know, in 614 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: the max? Obviously not the level of football that other 615 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: other guys would have competed in. But but I like him. Uh. 616 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: From the third round on um Spencer Brown from Northern Iowa. 617 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: Another big tackle six to eight three eleven who's got 618 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: a almost a thirty five inch wing uh reach thirty 619 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: four and three quarters an eighty two and a half 620 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: inch wingspan. You know another guy that's both tall and 621 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: long and hopefully long and strong. Uh Dante Smith out 622 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: of East Carolina, a big guy that I think has 623 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: some He's eighty five inches on his wingspan. Eighty five inches. 624 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: That's that's crazy. I mean, that's that's some of the 625 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: linemen that I like. Uh, I like A. I'm not 626 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: sure he'll be there for the fourth round. I think 627 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be no later than the third round guy, 628 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's as early in the third 629 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: rounds of bankers are picking. But Dale oh day Yngbo 630 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt, is that how you stay pick him? We'll 631 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: know how to say yeah, Dale, my good buddy. Dale 632 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt six five two eighty five. Another guy that's 633 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: got some size on the edge there. His wingspans eighty 634 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: six and three eights. I mean she's thirty five and 635 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: a quarter arm length and he's got some athleticism, you know, 636 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: to go with it. A guy like that, I think 637 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: would be would would be some added value. I could 638 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: see that all right. Here are a few names I 639 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: wrote down for round three and beyond, keeping in mind 640 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: that the Bengals third round pick will be number sixty 641 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: nine overall. Defensive tackle. Milton Williams from Louisiana Tech six three, 642 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: two eighty four. A little smaller than you would like, 643 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: but ran a four six forty with a thirty eight 644 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical at two hundred and eighty 645 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: four pounds, had ten sacks two years ago, the last 646 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: time he played a full season, and every time I 647 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: do a draft mock simulator on one of these websites, 648 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: he is always available. In round three. He came in 649 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: number eighty nine on the consensus top three hundred boards, 650 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: so he's almost certainly going to be there in the 651 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: third could be there in round four. Milton Williams would 652 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: be a name to remember. I wrote down Jordan Smith 653 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: from UAB as an edge rusher. Now there's a character 654 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: issue from early in his college career. Started out at Florida, 655 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: got suspended for a credit card incident, wound up leaving, 656 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: went to junior college, wound up at UAB. But he's 657 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: in the mode of edge rushers that the Bengals have 658 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: historically gone after because he's tall and lean, with a 659 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: chance to put on weight. Six six two fifty five, 660 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: had ten sacks a couple of years ago at UAB. 661 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to throw in a running back that 662 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: I got to see calling UC games, Kenneth Gainwell from Memphis. 663 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: He probably would not be there after round four at 664 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: the earliest, so that might be earlier than the Bengals 665 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: want to go for a running back. But two years ago, 666 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: the last time he played for Memphis, he was unbelievable 667 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: fourteen dr rushing yard, six hundred receiving yards. UC couldn't 668 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: stop him. So I'll just throw in that name as 669 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: a possible running back, Kenneth Gainwell. I've heard he's outstanding 670 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: out of the backfield and a huge threat out of 671 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: the backfield. You know, I've heard a lot of a 672 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: lot of teams throwing his name out there, uh in 673 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: in that type of that type of scenario. It is interesting, 674 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: it's it's it's going to be an interesting, uh interesting day, 675 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: interesting draft. Honestly, you know, there's there's always going to 676 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: be and how different the board that you talked about, 677 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: the consensus board of all of the draft analyst gurus, 678 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: and then if you take a consensus board of the 679 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: of the teams with their personnel departments and in the 680 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: Bengals case, with the coaches, you know, evaluating and grading 681 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: because as we know, Dan, this ain't no science. It's 682 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: it's no so opinions are huge and there's going to 683 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: be all kinds of different opinions on you know, where 684 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: to where to rate guys, where to stack guys and uh, 685 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's I don't know. In my mind, I 686 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: think the the other thing to consider in that first 687 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: round is sixty percent of the time lineman get a 688 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: second contract drafted in the first round, it's like twenty 689 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: five percent for receivers something like that. It's less than half, 690 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: which you can understand. You can make a quicker, a 691 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: quicker decision on if a guy's a bust or not 692 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: at receiver than potentially at the at the offensive line position. 693 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: But um so, there's so many factors that go into 694 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: the evaluation process. But and the other thing, Dan, I 695 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: think every round I would be listening to my phone, 696 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,439 Speaker 1: not just the first round, because you have a high 697 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: pick every round. So if if there's a run on 698 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: a position that you've you've got a need for or 699 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: whatever highly rated, it's like, all right, well, I'm not 700 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: going to get a guy that I really fits my 701 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: need as well as where he is on the board. 702 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: Why don't I move back and get back to this 703 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: spot where there's better chance for me to hit more. 704 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: So need an evaluation of rank of player and pick 705 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: up an extra pick to boot. So teams that have 706 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: that need for the player that you don't you know, 707 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 1: every round, they're going to be at a high spot 708 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: in that round of the draft where they may get 709 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: a phone call and it's like, yeah, well that makes 710 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: some sense. I'll take an extra fourth, you know, to 711 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: move back to the middle of the third round instead 712 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: of the fifth pick of the third round, and then 713 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: I still am right where I need to be to 714 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: get on my third round board. These guys are gone, 715 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: but these guys I can get them still fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 716 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: eighteen instead of you know, number five. So I think 717 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: I think they're in an advantageous position, you know, all 718 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: three days of the draft from that regard. All right, 719 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: we've reached the moment of truth. The Dave Lapham prediction historically, 720 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: more often than not, you nail it. Twenty twelve, the 721 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: world said they were taking David de Castro, You correctly 722 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: said they would draft Kevin Zeitler. The next year, nobody 723 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: was talking about Tyler effort because the Bengals already had 724 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: your main Gresham. You said they would take the Notre 725 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: Dame tight end. Twenty fourteen, you nailed Darques Denar two seventeen, 726 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: you nailed John Ross two eighteen. Bengals fans got mad 727 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: at you because you said Frank Ragnow the Lions took 728 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: him one pick before the Bengals, and people somehow think 729 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: they took him because you predicted it, and like the 730 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: Lions don't have a scouting department. He's turned out to 731 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: be a great player. So let's get to your prediction. 732 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals are on the clock. We know quarterbacks have 733 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: gone one, two, three. Who do you think the Bengals 734 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: wind up taking at number five? Yeah, I think there's 735 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: a good chance that Arthur Smith takes pits. I think 736 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan can play still, you know, and it's like, 737 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: all right, well, the Falcons, they probably won't be in 738 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: the top five, or they don't want to be in 739 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: the top five, so maybe they do try to take 740 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: their next quarterback to develop after Matt Ryan and I 741 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: can understand and if they would, but man to me, 742 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think that's an overreaction. 743 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: Uh maybe they trade back, you know that that the 744 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: draft could start there. Maybe they trade back and somebody 745 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: is trading up for a quarterback that doesn't have him 746 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, or is trading up for Pits. Or if 747 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: Atlanta really likes Pits, maybe they'll they'll they'll take Pits. 748 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: But let's assume that Pits is off the board, that 749 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: Atlanta took Pits, which I could see Arthur Smith doing 750 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 1: and having a nice chest piece, you know, to mess 751 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: around with their Uh So the Bengals, in my mind, 752 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: it's down to two animals, you know, and and they're there. 753 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: They are They're Martians, they're aliens. These guys are freakazoids athletically. 754 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean the numbers that Chase put up, you know, 755 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: for threes and the forty eleven foot broad jump, forty 756 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: two or three inch vertical I mean, that's ridiculous. And 757 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape, he throws guys around. 758 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: I mean, when guys are trying to get their hands 759 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: on him, he just like you know, he dismisses them. 760 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: He is so strong, so powerful, he attacks the football. 761 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a he's a gifted player. And 762 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: then all the reasons that we talked about his familiarity 763 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: between your franchise quarterback and Chase is to me, that's 764 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: a big, big deciding factor. That's a that's a big play. 765 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: And I'm almost fifty fifty. I'll be honest with you, 766 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm almost fifty fifty, but I am gonna go seul. 767 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: But I I would It's like one in one A 768 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: And and I can almost reverse him for the reasons 769 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier in the podcast, that if 770 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: you've got a chance to solidify your offensive line with 771 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: a guy like him, and if he starts out inside 772 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: a guard, so be it. Um. And that scar Joe Burrow, 773 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: even though he's back to back to start right at 774 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: the beginning of the regular season, don't want to scar 775 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: on the other knee, you know, don't don't want him, 776 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: don't want him hit anymore like that. And and I 777 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: think in my mind, probably there's better depth in the 778 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 1: offensive line in the second round. Then there is wide 779 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: receiver in the second round. I think that there's better 780 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: there's probably after after Chase and a couple of other 781 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 1: couple of Alabamas, there's a big drop and Suel Slater 782 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: and then a big drop. Sooner there's more guys. There 783 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: will be more guys in that second round. So if 784 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: I start to talk myself into that, I could see 785 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: I could see going Chase instead of instead of Seoul. 786 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: But I'll probably as a form alignment, I'll probably stay 787 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: with the Penna sul choice and roll roll with that. 788 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll have to go the other way then, 789 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: just to be different, I'll predict that they'll take Chase. 790 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: I do think the Burrow to Chase factor is huge, 791 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: and I thought this description of Chase was right on 792 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: the money. He looks like a fullback but runs like 793 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: a wide receipt ever, I mean as strong as you 794 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: can be, and yet ran that four three eight forty 795 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: at his pro day. Joe Burrow did not have much 796 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 1: success throwing the deep ball last year, and I think 797 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: that was because of the targets, not because of Joe 798 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 1: Burrow to have that guy that can take the top 799 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: off the defense and force the safeties to respect that 800 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: deep threat. I just I have the feeling that's going 801 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: to be the deciding factor Chase in round one, offensive 802 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: lineman in round two. But as we said at the 803 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: very beginning, they can't go wrong, they can't go wrong. 804 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: And I'll go just like you, I could be talked 805 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: to that so easily because you know, I really am 806 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: I really am torn split. It's not as clean cut 807 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: as it was to me before. Because this guy, Chase 808 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: is a freak, is a freak in terms of pound 809 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: for pound, the overall strength of Chase is probably as 810 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: good as they've had an LSU and for him to 811 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: just throw people around like he throws them around. And 812 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 1: you know, like I was talking talking about before they 813 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: did sign Riley Reef, they still do have guys that 814 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: they can they can work and develop. They did sign 815 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: they did sign Spain inside and I mean Michael Jordan 816 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: he should be a guy that you can develop. I 817 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: mean he's got a lot of tools, can't you know? 818 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: Do you give up on Michael Jordan. It's not like 819 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: they're they don't have anything in their offensive line I'm 820 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: going to Chase. I could go Chase so easily. I 821 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: could go Chase. But if you if you had to 822 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: pick between Chase and Pits, what would you do. I'd 823 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: take Chase, so would I? So would I. I would 824 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: take Chase because it took Pits to put him at 825 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: the X. That's where I put Chase. I put Chase 826 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: over there at the X and say go beat people 827 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: up one on one. And he's when you watch him, 828 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: he is so smooth in his route running. I mean, 829 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: he's so fluid and so smooth. And I'm not saying 830 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: that Pitts isn't, but you know he's not. He's not 831 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: a true wide receiver like Chases. So yeah, it's it's 832 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: very interesting, Dan, very interesting. I wish we could pick 833 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: them both. It'd be great, so do they Unfortunately that's 834 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: not in the cards. All right. That was fun, and 835 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: we will do podcasts each night of the draft to 836 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: update you on everybody that the Bengals select. They've got 837 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: an extra pick after trading Ryan Finley away, so it's 838 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of fun. Lap. That was awesome. 839 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. There's a lot of fun to appreciate you. 840 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: I will post podcast to wrap up each night of 841 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: the draft that will be ready for your drive to 842 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: work the next morning. That's going to do it. For 843 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you 844 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,879 Speaker 1: by bud Light Seltzer, refresh the game. If you haven't 845 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: done so already, please subscribe, and if you've got a minute, 846 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: give it a rating or share a comment that helps 847 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Hoard and 848 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: thank you for listening to the Bengals Booth Podcast. H