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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's mother, Katrine Jackson, is alleging ongoing elder abuse

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Speaker 1: at the hands of her nephew and driver, Trent Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: She's claiming that she is the victim of years of

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Speaker 1: mental abuse and has reached the point that she's afraid

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Speaker 1: to return home. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: A number of Michael Jackson's siblings are still contesting his will,

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Speaker 1: alleging conspiracy and fraud. Charge is denied by the executors

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Speaker 1: and grown out by the courts. Katherine says she tried

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Speaker 1: the guest house, but that he refused. She is currently

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Speaker 1: in London visiting Janet Jackson, but fears we could physically

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Speaker 1: harm her for terminating him if she returns home. The

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Speaker 1: judge granted Katherine's request for a restraining order and has

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Speaker 1: ordered the nephew to move out of her guest house.

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Speaker 1: The Michael Jackson saga goes on, it never seems to end.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, his beloved mother, Katherine Jackson, the

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Speaker 1: mother of the late Michael Jackson, tells a courtroom she

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Speaker 1: is terrified of her nephew, Trent Jackson. In fact, she's

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Speaker 1: so afraid. She is in fear of coming home from

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Speaker 1: We're talking about her nephew, Trent Lamar Jackson, who has

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Speaker 1: spoken with us. Now according to the court documents that

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Speaker 1: we have obtained, Michael Jackson's mother, now eighties six, swears

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Speaker 1: in legal documents just filed that she is afraid to

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Speaker 1: come home. She's under a doctor's care in part because

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Speaker 1: of the stress of living with Trent Jackson. Why is

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Speaker 1: he living there, what is he doing? And why is

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Speaker 1: she in fear? Or is this all just another money

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Speaker 1: grab on behalf of all of the Jackson siblings. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are so many of them. Nobody's working, Okay, a

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Speaker 1: couple of them are working, and they all have their

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Speaker 1: hand out to Michael Jackson estate, which is run by

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Speaker 1: Katherine Jackson, his mother. Hey, I Nancy Grace is his

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Speaker 1: crime stories? Thank you for being with us. I mean

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Speaker 1: the legal twists and turns in the Michael Jackson case.

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Speaker 1: You know, we should have known when he died. It's

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Speaker 1: not over. It's still going on. All those brothers and

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Speaker 1: sisters trying to get his money. The mother's in charge.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, come on, Alan Duke. Everyone always attacks

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Speaker 1: the father for allegedly beating Michael Jackson, forcing him to rehearse,

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Speaker 1: treating him like a mule to perform. But she was

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Speaker 1: there too. She's his mother, and she stood by and

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Speaker 1: let whatever happened happen. Okay, So I've always blamed her

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Speaker 1: just as much as him. Well, actually, Katherine Jackson is

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Speaker 1: one of the sweetest mothers I've ever met, and I

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Speaker 1: got to know her fairly well. Other than standing by

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Speaker 1: while her son was beaten to perform, okay, other than that,

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Speaker 1: my mom took part in disciplining me when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid. I'm I'm about a year older than Michael Jackson. Actually,

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Speaker 1: comparing your little spankings on the back of your legs

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Speaker 1: or whatever you gotta pop on the wrist with a ruler.

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Speaker 1: It beaten by his dad mercilessly. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: way Michael Jackson tells it. I don't know what's true.

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Speaker 1: There was a different form of discipline in the in

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Speaker 1: the fifties and the sixties. You, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: your experience. You were an angel, so you never got

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Speaker 1: any of that. I was only spanked. One time, I

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Speaker 1: was popped on the back of my legs, just below

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Speaker 1: with him NonStop. Can you even imagine that was it?

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Speaker 1: That was it. I love him so much. I never

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Speaker 1: wanted to disappoint them. Look, I'm I'm just going on

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Speaker 1: what Michael Jackson said that he was never had a

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Speaker 1: normal child because his dad beat the crap out of him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I had the crap beat out

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Speaker 1: probably nine years old. WHOA, But I deserved it. That

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Speaker 1: sing allegedly. But look all of those nine kids. Look

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Speaker 1: how well they turned out. Whatever they did, they made

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Speaker 1: them successful. Nine kids from Gary, Indiana and all of

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Speaker 1: them successful. How can you blame these parents? Okay, huge successes,

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Speaker 1: I give you that much, I absolutely do. When I

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Speaker 1: don't know what their way out was. I mean, for me,

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Speaker 1: For them, maybe it was entertaining, but I still don't

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Speaker 1: back to Catherine now why she's allegedly? Hey, these are

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Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order against nephew Trent Jackson, alleging elder abuse. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's not good. He is related to her through her

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Speaker 1: to escape his constant monitoring. She writes, and I quote

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Speaker 1: She also claims. Now this is according to TMZ. She

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Speaker 1: believes Trent Jackson has copied the key to her bedroom door,

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Speaker 1: and she gets dressed in her closet. What what? Don't

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Speaker 1: don't quote TMZ on this, TMZ. If they want to

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Speaker 1: know so much more. I'm glad you know everything wasting time? Alan,

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Speaker 1: isn't true that this eighty six year old mom who

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Speaker 1: he'll walk in on her unclothed. This is the thing

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Speaker 1: may very well be. These are allegations. Actually, none of

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Speaker 1: these allegations are new. I've heard them before, but I've

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Speaker 1: never heard them from Katherine Jackson. I always hear them

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Speaker 1: from one of her kids, so it's not new. But

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Speaker 1: why should she have to go to a deposition to

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Speaker 1: get him out. I kind of disagree with that. Well

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Speaker 1: he's out, he's not there anymore, he doesn't have the keys,

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Speaker 1: he's gone. He's living many miles away now. Also, she states, quote,

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Speaker 1: I used to be very social with my friends, like

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Speaker 1: Trent has given them various reasons why I am not available.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a classic sign of an abuser. They

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Speaker 1: question is did she really right all this that the

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Speaker 1: initial complaint was not ever signed by her, and that

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Speaker 1: was at the same time they were following this new one.

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Speaker 1: It does have her signature on there, put in from

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Speaker 1: London just a few days ago. Wait a minute, why

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Speaker 1: are you saying it had her signature put in? Are

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Speaker 1: That you think now somebody forged her name. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that at all. I believe this is her signature.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying the old one didn't have her signature. They've

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Speaker 1: made this new filing that is much more detailed that

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Speaker 1: we now have that we're looking at, and it has

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Speaker 1: her signature. But the question is she was tying? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't either. Maybe she did. And let me tell

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Speaker 1: you one of the aspects that I'm looking at. It's

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Speaker 1: not just Katherine Jackson, but it's Jermaine Jackson also signed

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Speaker 1: an affidavit that's included in this filing from yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: going to his mom's house and he blames Trent for it.

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Speaker 1: But it's no secret he talks about it. Are you

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Speaker 1: saying in David? But you know what I happen to

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Speaker 1: know is yes, he for a few months was banned

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Speaker 1: from Katherine's house. So was Reby, so was Randy, and

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Speaker 1: banned by Trent. They were banned by the court after Katherine,

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Speaker 1: remember when she disappeared in two thousand and twelve, the

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Speaker 1: estate made uh did an order banning those kids from

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Speaker 1: going to the house, which the estate. I I've never

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Speaker 1: seen so many Shenanigans and a family as this bunch.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, you think you'd be happy with all

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Speaker 1: that money. This is proof money cannot buy happiness. And

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Speaker 1: Why does she have a nephew there that should be

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Speaker 1: her own children? One of this should be was actually

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Speaker 1: by Michael Jackson. Michael was paying him, Katherine wasn't paying

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Speaker 1: Katherine's budget, which was provided by the OK you're getting

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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson asked him to drive his mom and make

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Speaker 1: Heard it, heard it. The son of Joe Jackson's half

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Speaker 1: and he wanted that lifted. He claimed he is not

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Speaker 1: and has set another court hearing in just about twenty days.

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Speaker 1: In a sworn statement, Katherine Jackson's daughter Reby, who was

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Speaker 1: Jackson didn't call paramedics when his mom passed out as

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Speaker 1: he was driving her to Vegas. He stated the hospital

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Speaker 1: You know that can kill an elderly person. But this

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying what these

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. But they're just now asking to protect her.

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Speaker 1: I'm really freaked out by the possibility of hidden cameras

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Speaker 1: all over the house spying on her. That's freaky, Allen.

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Speaker 1: There are dozens of cameras around that house, and they

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Speaker 1: all go to the security system, the security center in

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Speaker 1: the garage. Catherine has an incredible security system in her home,

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Speaker 1: and I've been into the control center in the garage

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Speaker 1: and I've seen it. Their cameras all over the house

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Speaker 1: for security. One picture, I mean, there are mountain lions

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Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of a mountain lion in the backyard.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that the cameras she is alleging are

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. So this is going back to court.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Michael Jackson for whatever claims were made

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Speaker 1: Katherine Jackson right now will be in court, don't worry

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,