1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: That's at the inside scoop with that FT senior insider 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal, big news about an hour or two before 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: our show started, and this put out by Ken in 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: the Athletic it sounds like Cautel Marte will not be 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: traded this offseason, and that means maybe not ever for 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: the rest of his career since he has no trade 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: class kicking in soon. Ken, what else can you tell us? 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Just what you said, Scott that the Diamondbacks, after weeks 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: of speculation and talks, have determined that they're not going 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: to trade him and this is not posturing. They had 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: made the statement Mike Haysen had their general manager right 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: at the end of December, that hey, if we don't 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: get this done soon, we're not going to do it. 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: We're going to move on to other things. They are 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: looking at their bullpen, They're looking at a right handed 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: hitting first baseman. I don't know that they are out 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: on Alex Bregman, in fact, I don't believe they are. 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: But it becomes a little bit more difficult when you've 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: got Marte on your books, albeit at an affordable price, 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: to go get Bregman when you have these other needs 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: as well. Remember They're without Corbyn Burns to start the season. 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: They were without two of their key relievers, Ajpuck and 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: Justin Martinez to start the season. These guys are all 24 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: coming off Tommy Johns, so they've been trying to supplement 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: their pitching and they're going to continue to do that. 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: That was the only reason initially they were even entertaining 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: trading Marte was if they could fill some of these needs. 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: And maybe they felt as well that it might be 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: best for Marte to move on, But they valued him 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: very highly and they by not trading him, have shown 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: they weren't simply trying to get rid of him. So 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: this is where they are right now. And as you 33 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: mentioned Scott, ten days into the season, he becomes a 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: player with ten years of service, five consecutive with the 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: same team, and thereby gains full no trade protection. He 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: can veto anything at that time, so this really is 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: their last window to trade him without restriction. You can 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: still trade a guy with no trade clause, but he 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: has to approve. 40 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: Now do you think this was just a matter of 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: not getting the right trade like you talk about, or 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: our teams being too tight and our esteni about not 43 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: wanting to give up certain players that other teams want. 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: Todd, that's always in the eye of the beholder, right 45 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: and I know, and they have freely admitted that they 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: were asking high and rightly. So kateel Marte is an 47 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: All Star. He is a guy who is one of 48 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: the best second basemen in the league from an offensive standpoint, 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: still good defensively. He is a player that is valued highly. 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: And on top of all that, his deal is considered 51 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: by the industry to be quite affordable. His luxury tax 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: number annually is fourteen point six million. That's not a 53 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: lot in this day and age when you see the 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: Kyle Tuckers of the world looking for thirty five forty, when, 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: of course Soto and Guerrero and Otani are crazy much 56 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: above that. Kateel Marte might not be those guys, but 57 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: he's pretty good and for fourteen point six million a 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: year from a luxury tax standpoint, that is very appealing. 59 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: So the Diamondbacks had all this to pedal, so to speak, 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: but no team bit to their satisfaction. 61 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: So how does this affect the rest of the market. 62 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: As you told us last time around, a lot of 63 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: players are intertwined to take Catel off I know you've 64 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: reported about the Cardinals and Brendan Donovan. Bobashett essentially is 65 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: a second basement free agent, or at least it appears 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: to be that way for most teams. So how does 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: this help the puzzle pieces fit into place so we 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: can get some signings done. 69 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: It's a good question, Scott, And certainly let's look at 70 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: Boston just as an example. They were a team that 71 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: reportedly were in on Katel Marte. Now that katl Marte 72 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: is not available to them, it's Bregmann or Bishett for 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: their infield if that's the way they want to go, 74 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: and that clearly is their area of needs, so it 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: should influence those particular free agents from that perspective. Well, 76 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: there's one option that's not there any longer. And the 77 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: same goes for Brendan. Now, I don't know that Brendan 78 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Donovan was looked at the same way as Kateell Marte. 79 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: It's a different set of scenarios, entirely two years of control, 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: not quite the same offensive type player that Marte is, 81 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: but more defensively versatile. And I know that Seattle, for example, 82 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: had and has a desire for Brendan Donovan because of 83 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: that defensive versatility, whereas Marte they were cooler on because 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: he would only have played second base for them. So 85 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: it does, or theoretically should, open up these things a 86 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: little bit more. But I don't know that any one 87 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: move is going to necessarily start all the others. It 88 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: just is logjammed right now. 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: Ken, what's the move that'll on logjam? 90 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: It? 91 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: Is it Bobachett signing? Is it Kyle Tucker signing? Who 92 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 4: was it in? Where did the Phillies come from? 93 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 5: On Bobachow We kind of discussed this a couple of 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 5: days ago, and they were kind of a team like, oh, 95 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 5: they'd have to maybe move Bome or Stod or somebody 96 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 5: to make this work. But here they are setting up 97 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 5: a zoom call with them. 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: Right and AJ, I'm not exactly sure which is the 99 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: first domino and how that would affect the others. It 100 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: seems to me that you have three groupings of the 101 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: better free agents here of two, three of two. And 102 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about is Ranger Suarez and fromber Valdez, 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: both left handed pitchers. When one goes, I would think 104 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: the other would follow. Tucker and Bellinger similar left handed 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: hitting outfielders, Bregman and Bischett right handed hitting infielders. I 106 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: would think those are the dominoes that would need to 107 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: fall one of those for the other. I don't know 108 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: that Tucker would necessarily affect fromber Valdez, for example, or 109 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: even Bishett. Now. As for the Phillies, they are a 110 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 2: team that has been trying to sign JT. Real Mutto 111 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: for the longest time, trying to re sign him at 112 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: least for now, that has gone nowhere. So they started 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: looking around and saying, okay, what if we look at 114 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: some other things, some other guys who are still lingering 115 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: on the market, and Bishett would be an interesting fit 116 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: for them. They've been trying to trade Alec Bohm for 117 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: quite some time now, so they would open up third base. 118 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: Presumably they could even trade Bryce and Stott, though I 119 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: don't know that they want to do that, And then 120 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: Bashett fits. If you get rid of Boehm's money and 121 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: you bring in a catcher some other way, you can 122 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: make it work. And the Phillies don't necessarily worry about 123 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: the dollars the way other teams do anyway, So it 124 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: seems that this all emanated from their frustration or their 125 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: inability at least to sign JT. Real Muto quickly. Now 126 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 2: they're looking at other ways to go about building their team, 127 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 2: and we'll see how it all plays out. Some people 128 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: have asked, well, they're just trying to leverage JT. Reel 129 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: Muto with Bishett. I don't see that at all. They're 130 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: two different categories of players, two different categories of what 131 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: they will cost. This is simply another idea for them 132 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: to get a younger position player into an older group 133 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: and maybe go about it that way. 134 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 5: Ken, Another interesting free agentcy is Cody Bellinger. You know, 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 5: there's rumors of the Yankees and they're thirty million dollars 136 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 5: a year. We don't know the length of the contract, 137 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: and this and that, and then there's people saying he 138 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: wants thirty seven thirty eight million dollars. Are the Yankees 139 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 5: bidding against themselves? And if this offer is out there, 140 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: let's say five one fifty, which is you know, thirty 141 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 5: million a. 142 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 6: Year, Lil freeze, Ken, we're back. 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I know the question, and aj I 144 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: don't know that the Yankees are the only team. I'm 145 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: sure they have some concerns about bidding against themselves, but 146 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: the Mets have been reported to be on Bellinger as well, 147 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: And when players of a certain level are out there 148 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: and people say they have no market, I'm always skeptical 149 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: because good players always have teams interested. Now the question 150 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: is at what level are they interested in? And Cody Bellinger, yes, 151 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: thirty plus million a year for five years would be 152 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: a good deal for a guy who has not gotten 153 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: a long term deal yet. Right at the same time, 154 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: he's probably looking at it like, I'm younger than Alonzo, 155 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: I'm younger than Shorber, and those guys got five years, 156 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: why shouldn't I get longer? That would be his perspective 157 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: on it. I'm not saying it's right, but as Brendan 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: Cuddy of The Athletic reported yesterday, if he got a 159 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: thirty million dollar aav it would be the fourth highest 160 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: for an outfielder. That's pretty good, and five years isn't 161 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: bad either. So I'm sure Bellinger and his agent, Scott 162 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: Orris do want greater length, and they have every right 163 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: to seek it. I just don't know that they're going 164 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: to get it, and it certainly sounds like they're not 165 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: going to get it from the Yankees. And then the 166 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: question becomes as you mentioned, Daja, where else would the 167 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: Mets do that. The Mets have been more inclined to 168 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: do shorter deals too, So it's really curious. 169 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: You talk about those two teams, but out west, the 170 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: Dodgers are always lurking. Are they in on any of 171 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: these guys? As you know right now in your talks. 172 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: The Dodgers are a team that they like to say, well, 173 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: we hang around the backboard, and what they mean by 174 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: that is we wait and see, and if certain players' 175 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: markets fall below perhaps where they anticipated the players anticipated, 176 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: then we jump and we grab the rebound and we 177 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: get in. Will that happen with any of these guys? 178 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: I'm not sure They've been linked to Tucker, They've been 179 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: linked to Bishett Bishek to play second base for them. 180 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: But it seems to me that any interest by the 181 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: Dodgers is predicated on the markets not being with those 182 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: players initially envisioned. Could that happen? Yes? Could the Dodgers determine? Well, 183 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: maybe the market doesn't fall to quite the len that 184 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: we would have wanted, but it's at a place where 185 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: we're good, we're comfortable. Okay, I can see it happening 186 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz that was not a guy they necessarily were 187 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: linked to at the start of the offseason. What were 188 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 2: they saying, we want a one year closer. Well, when 189 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz wasn't getting five years and when they could 190 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: get him for three with deferrals, they said, let's do it. 191 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: So that is how they've generally operated, or often operated. 192 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: It's kind of how they got Freddy Freeman when his 193 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: market collapsed, and others as well. So we'll see what 194 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: happens with the Dodgers. But TDD, you're right, they can 195 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: never be ruled out because they're always kind of there 196 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: in the background. 197 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 4: True. True, All right, Ken, you know not really. 198 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: People are gonna ask what do you think of the 199 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 5: schoobl arbitration and the thirteen million dollar gap? But I 200 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 5: just want to know who wins the team or school. 201 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: I've been asking that question this morning of different people 202 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: in the game, AJ and kind of getting different answers. 203 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: And there are a couple of factors in play here 204 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: that stand out to me anyway, and just talking to 205 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: people and learning more. One, the Tiger's number was lower 206 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: than David Price for and his was a record for 207 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: an arbitration pitcher. Nineteen point seventy five million. Schooble is 208 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: at nineteen million. Price was eleven years ago, and I 209 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: had one person point out to me this morning the 210 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: Tigers should have, if at least filed at twenty million, 211 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: just to say, okay, we're offering him a record arbitration 212 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: amount for a picture. I don't know why they didn't 213 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: do that. It seems to me that would have been 214 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: wise to do. The other side of this is that 215 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: the rays that Schooble is seeking is something along the 216 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: lines of twenty two million. That is unprecedented in arbitration. 217 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: One player has not gone from RB three, arbitration three 218 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: to arbitration four, arbitration two to arbitration three and made 219 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: that kind of jump. David Price, we just talked about him. 220 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: He went from a higher level than Schooble. When he 221 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: got his nineteen point seventy five he was at around fourteen, 222 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: if my memory serves correct Schoobles coming from ten. So 223 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: arbitration is not necessarily a process that most fans would 224 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: think is logical, But it's based on all these precedents 225 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: and all the things that have happened before. That's what 226 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: precedent is. So I'm not sure who wins. My inclination 227 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: would be to say the Tigers win. But you know 228 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: what really should happen here, What really should happen here 229 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: is that they should settle somewhere in the middle around 230 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: twenty five million. And I know if the Tigers are 231 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: a file on trial team, that they're going right to 232 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: a hearing. Well, I've never thought the file on trial 233 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: thing was such a great idea in the first place, 234 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: in all circumstances. Maybe in some and in this circumstance, 235 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 2: it would behoove them, and it might behoove schoobl and 236 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: Boris as well. To settle somewhere in the middle. 237 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna break your protocol, Derek School is 238 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a pretty good guy to break the protocol with. 239 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 6: He's done a lot for the Tigers, so that makes sense. 240 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: But one thing too worth explaining. So the midpoint is 241 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: twenty five point five million, and what the Tigers must 242 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: do is prove that simply he is less worth worth 243 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: less than twenty five point five And what Boris and 244 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: School must do is prove that he is worth more. 245 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: That's how these things are determined, and we'll see how 246 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: it works out. His award would be unprecedented, not just 247 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: for a pitcher, it would be the highest arbitration award ever. 248 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: Soto is the record at thirty one million. Shohyo Tani 249 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: was at thirty million. Pitchers are not the same as 250 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: position players, of course, but there is a lot at 251 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: stake here, obviously a lot in play. But the process 252 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: is again not something that you can just simply say, well, 253 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: he's here, so he should be here. That's not necessarily 254 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: how it works. 255 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: The difference for me is that I don't think there 256 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: is a comp for Schoogle with the current arbitration process. 257 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Looking back at our guys not free agents, and so 258 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like they're fundamentally challenging the whole system, Like, hey, 259 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: the system's messed up. The guy who has the record 260 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: pitched in twenty fifteen for this, that's crazy, that's eleven 261 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: years ago. It's like there's nobody else good. And I 262 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: know not everybody gets to this point in art, but anyway, 263 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be an interesting battle. I did want 264 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: to get to one more with you, Ken, based on 265 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: comments from Rob Manfred about a potential in season tournament 266 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: or split season your thoughts. 267 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: I don't love an end season tournament. I have heard 268 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: for a while now about the possibility of a split season. 269 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: I believe my colleague get Fox John Smoltz is one 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: of these people in favor of that. And there is 271 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: a certain logic to a split season. You'd start over, 272 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: you can have two dra deadlines, you'd have the ability 273 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: of more teams to get in the mix, perhaps even 274 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: than they are now. So that is something worth exploring. 275 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: But as Manfred said accurately, the schedule in baseball makes 276 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: it a little bit more challenging, a little bit more 277 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: difficult perhaps to accomplish one of those things. I know 278 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: a lot of fans say, hey, man leave it as 279 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: it is and don't mess with it. And Manfred even 280 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: mentioned that, he said, hey, we have a fan base 281 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: that is accustomed two one hundred and sixty two game 282 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: seasons since what nineteen sixty one. That would be hard 283 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: to abandon. And the sport has abandoned certain things over 284 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: the years, and they've expanded playoffs and they've had some innovations, 285 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: but once sixty two has been kind of sacred. So 286 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: if you split it into eighty one and eighty one, okay, 287 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: maybe that works. But again, there are some other things 288 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: that would have to be figured out, and I'm not 289 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: sure totally where I stand on it. The idea is intriguing, though, 290 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: the idea of doing that at least is worthy of discussion. 291 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: I don't know that I would do it, but I'd 292 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: like to hear a good plan that would maybe make 293 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: it a strong recommendation. 294 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you want to keep fans engaged for 295 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: a longer period of time. Some fans are already out 296 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: of it by April or May, and. 297 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 6: It still feels gimmicky. 298 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: But whatever. 299 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: We again, we can spend a lot more time on 300 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: it once we get more details. And just because NBA 301 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: does it and they've done some things better than MLB, 302 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: we don't have to be the copycat league. But here 303 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: we are. And I like that he floats it out 304 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: there to get the public perception. That's why we talk 305 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: about it. Thank you, Rob Manford for the content for 306 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: the day. Ken, thank you for joining us. We'll talk 307 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: to you on Monday, or actually we'll hear from you 308 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: on Monday on Fair and we'll see on Tuesday. 309 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. 310 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're talking pitching with Cody Stavenhagen, who is 311 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: a writer for the Athletic covering the Tigers among other 312 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: topics and one of the stars of Tiger Territory, part 313 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: of the FT Network. Well, you've got some fodder to 314 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: cover this week on the show, Cody. I know the 315 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: Tigers haven't been super active. They had their two signings 316 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: of Kenley Jansen and Kyle Finnegan that stand out. 317 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 6: But here we go with the Schooble battle. We go 318 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 6: from the trade rumors. 319 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: To the battle between him and the team over arbitration figures. 320 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: Can you lay out what you wrote in the Athletic? 321 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, Scott, it's really quite the twist and what's 322 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 7: already been a weird off season saga. They went from 323 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 7: trade rumors to now the Tigers and Trek Scuogle face 324 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 7: the largest gap, the largest salary gap in MLB arbitration history. 325 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 7: Scott Borris and Trek Scuble filed to make thirty two 326 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 7: million next year. The Tigers filed to pay Schooble nineteen millions, 327 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 7: so a thirteen million dollar gap. We'll see that sides 328 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 7: could continue negotiate, but right now it looks like this 329 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 7: is one track to go to a February hearing, and 330 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 7: a February hearing that could have a lot of precedent 331 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 7: on the line. Nineteen million sounds low compared to thirty 332 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 7: two million, but it's not completely out of line with 333 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 7: arbitration norms. The most picture has ever made an arbitration 334 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 7: is David Price at nineteen point seven to five million. 335 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 7: Granted that was eleven years ago and Trek Scuball was 336 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 7: coming off a better year than David Price probably ever had, 337 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 7: but thirty two million would represent easily the largest raised 338 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 7: in arbitration history. If Scooba were to get that would 339 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 7: probably set a whole new precedent for how stars and 340 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 7: particularly star pitchers are treated in the arbitration system. 341 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: Now my question to you, well, first the first question, 342 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: do you see this going to arbitration? Do you think 343 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: they will come to an agreement beforehand? 344 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: Do you see that? 345 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 3: Or do you think one side is very standstill on 346 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: where they want to you know, get paid or make 347 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: the payment of. 348 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's definitely the biggest question at hand, Toad. I 349 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 7: think it would make a lot of sense for the 350 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 7: sides to continue negotiating. Just my opinion, Schooble's probably worth 351 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 7: more than nineteen and less than thirty two. The two 352 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 7: sides could get there to a number in between if 353 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 7: they wanted to keep negotiating. My sense right now, I 354 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 7: don't know. I kind of feel like both sides might 355 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 7: be pretty dug in. It seems to me like Scott 356 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 7: Boris wants to use this as a way to break 357 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 7: the arbitration system a little bit. And the Tigers, look, 358 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 7: if they wanted to pay Trek Scooble a little bit more, 359 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 7: all they had to do was file for a higher number, 360 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 7: and maybe this could have gone a little better than 361 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 7: it is right now. The Tigers typically operate is what's 362 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 7: called a file and trial team, which means they file 363 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 7: a number and if there's no agreement, we'll see you 364 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 7: at the arbitration table. Now they've made a couple exceptions, 365 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 7: it usually results in negotiating a multi year deal, sometimes 366 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 7: with an option that's just going to be declined. But 367 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 7: the Tigers tend to be pretty tough negotiators. We all 368 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 7: know Scott Boris is a tough negotiator. The easy solution 369 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 7: is to keep talking here, but I wouldn't be shocked 370 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 7: if this actually ends up going to a hearing. 371 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: Now, my second question is we talked about this earlier. 372 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: David Price his first year, nineteen point seventy five million, 373 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: the highest one as we know, no Cy Youngs, Derek Scuobel, 374 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: two Cy Youngs, the best picture in baseball. How can 375 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: you start off in nineteen million dollars is my question 376 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: if you're if you're the Tigers, where are they getting 377 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: that number from? 378 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think they're they're basing it off. 379 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 7: Guy is like David Price, who did have one Cy 380 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 7: Young he won the say Young in twenty twelve, or 381 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 7: from Bravaldez made eighteen, which I think is second most 382 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 7: ever for a pitcher that was just one year ago. 383 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 7: Scooble was better than from Bravaldez. They're only valuing him 384 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 7: at one million better. I think it's fair to say 385 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 7: that's a little low. 386 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: Scooble. 387 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 7: The projections kind of vary. Spot track had him at 388 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 7: twenty two point five million. I feel like that's probably 389 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 7: a little bit of a safer number given the two 390 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 7: Cy Youngs, given two years of dominance. But arbitration is 391 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 7: also generally based on track record, the whole body of work. 392 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 7: Schooble the early years of his career, he was hurt, 393 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 7: he was inconsistent. That kind of started him at a 394 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 7: lower floor, whereas David Price was a super two player, 395 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 7: so we actually got to go through arbitration four times 396 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 7: instead of the normal three. It's generally a camp based system, right, 397 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 7: One thing Scott Boris is bringing to the table. If 398 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 7: you're in your fifth year, we don't just have to 399 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 7: compare you to what David Price did eleven years ago. 400 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 7: We can compare you to anyone. Zach Wheeler, Garrett Cole, 401 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 7: Scoobol was better than those guys last year. And that's 402 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 7: why Boris seems to be kind of shooting for the 403 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 7: moon here. 404 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: Cody, can you elaborate on why the Tigers can be 405 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: tough to negotiate with? 406 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 6: Like what I don't want to say. 407 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: What gives them the right? But take us behind the 408 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: scenes on how that's been. Is it a Scott Harris thing. 409 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: Scott's done a really nice job building up some core 410 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: players for to try that's right, But it seems like 411 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: either he or ownership has not allowed him to kind 412 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: of push the chips in further, to build upon what 413 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: they've had, which is a lot of success the last 414 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: couple of years, or to try and actually not have 415 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: this issue and just throw an extension off or at 416 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: schoogle or yeah, like you said, throw a little bit 417 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: of a higher arbitration number. This almost seems contentious to me, 418 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: and I just want to get more on the psychology 419 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: of who is doing this. Is it Chrisilich, is it 420 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: Scott Hires. Are they both on the same page where 421 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: they like to be aggressive and they don't care if 422 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: it's the best player on the team by far? 423 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean I think the Tigers are clearly 424 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 7: pretty numbers based, pretty data driven. Again, they're using their 425 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 7: comparisons to say it's reasonable to pay trek'scuoble nineteen million dollars. Now, 426 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 7: maybe they didn't expect Scott Boris to file at thirty two. 427 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 7: Maybe they expected him to file at twenty four, and 428 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 7: the two sides easily could have struck a middle ground. 429 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 7: I don't know exactly how that went down, but the 430 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 7: Tigers do have a reputation in the league of being 431 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 7: tought inotiate with, of being a little stubborn. Whether that's 432 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 7: in trade talks we saw them not wanting to part 433 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 7: with prospects at last year's trade deadline, or whether that's 434 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 7: free agent deals. They tend to come up with their numbers, 435 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 7: and it seems like they tend to stick to them. 436 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: Now. 437 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 7: They have overpaid for guys Alex Cobb, they paid Drew 438 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 7: Anderson seven million this year, but especially operating at the 439 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 7: higher levels, I think they're pretty cautious. People are going 440 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 7: to use the nineteen million to again paint them as 441 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 7: being cheap when it comes to the best pitcher in baseball. 442 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 7: But again, there's just not a lot of precedent for 443 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 7: any pitcher getting more than this in arbitration. That's what 444 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 7: the Tigers are banking this one. Scott Boris is using 445 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 7: more common sense. Hey, this guy is the best player 446 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 7: in the game. He should get a lot more than 447 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 7: all these other guys have in the past. 448 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 5: Cody, you mentioned the file and trial and there's people 449 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: out there that. 450 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 4: Don't know what file and trial is. 451 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 5: It means if you file numbers, teams automatically go to 452 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 5: the arbitration case. What the Tigers make in exception here, 453 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 5: if there's any chance to keep Trek scouble. I've been 454 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 5: through arbitration. I've told the story. It sucks for the player. 455 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 5: You will bunk out of that place and you're like, 456 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 5: I hate that team. Corbyn Burns has talked about it. 457 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 5: Players that have gone to that trial walk out of 458 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 5: there with a completely different feeling for the GM and 459 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 5: the organization that they've been a part of, especially like 460 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 5: Trek Scuble, who's been there his entire professional career. Is 461 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 5: there any chance they would make an exception and say, hey, Trek, 462 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: what if we give you twenty eight million or twenty 463 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: seven or thirty or whatever it is? Or are they 464 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 5: just going to be so stubborn and say, you know what, 465 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 5: we're losing them at the end of the year. 466 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 4: Anyways, We'll just take our chances. Yeah. 467 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 7: I think that's a good question, and I think there 468 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 7: are a few things at play here. One, let's be real, 469 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 7: the Tigers likely are not signing Trek Scouble to an extension. 470 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 7: There's been no indication of any real movement on that front. 471 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 7: I think Schooball and Bors both want to set a 472 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 7: record in free agency. Anything that Tigers throw at them 473 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 7: is just going to be used as a starting point 474 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 7: for negotiations with other teams next offseason. I don't think 475 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 7: they can sign them. No matter what happens now, it 476 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 7: is still worth considering. Is it worth for lack of 477 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 7: a better term, pissing off your best player in his 478 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 7: final year before free agency, when you have a good team, 479 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 7: a team that could really make a postseason run if 480 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 7: some things go well, and I think that's where it 481 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 7: might be worth the Tigers being open to keep talking 482 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 7: about this, because you're right, think this could get contentious. 483 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 7: I think Scott Boris is prepared to exercise some theater 484 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 7: in front of an arbitration panel. I think this could 485 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 7: get heated and could get ugly. The Tigers have already 486 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 7: been walking a little bit of a tightrope with all 487 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 7: the trade rumors and everything regarding Schooble. For the most part, 488 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 7: the team's handled it well. Schooble's handled it well, but 489 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 7: at some point this was bound to get a little 490 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 7: bit awkward, and I think this situation puts us there. 491 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 7: I think this could certainly get awkward, especially if the 492 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 7: Tigers go in front of a panel and say Trek's 493 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 7: not actually worth that much, and if Scott Boris goes 494 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 7: in front of a panel and tears down the Tigers' arguments. 495 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 7: I just don't see that have a friendly resolution. Even 496 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 7: if both parties should say, hey, this is just business, 497 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 7: there's going to be there has to be a bitter 498 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 7: taste that would come out of that room, I would think. 499 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: Cody, I'll ask the bigger picture Tiger's question. They're going 500 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: to be focused on this battle for a little bit 501 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: of time. Are they focused on anything else? I think 502 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: most Tiger fans are pretty pissed off right now. Kenley Jansen, 503 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: Kyle Finnegan cool, happy, Great, that helps the bullpen, But 504 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: this is another offseason where it appears that they might 505 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: not make a big splash. Last year they made an effort, 506 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: but the effort was not good enough according to Alex 507 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: Spragman's camp, and that proved to be right because he 508 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: got his opt out after one year and here he 509 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: goes again where he'll probably get more money. So they 510 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: were wrong on that one. What's next for the team. 511 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: Are they actually going to do anything else to try 512 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: and improve this current roster? If they're going to keep 513 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: Trek Skoogle and this might be the best winning window 514 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: you're left that they have. 515 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 6: In a while. 516 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, the sexy move everyone wants to see is probably 517 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 7: not talk about the Tigers being, you know, kind of 518 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 7: dug in on their stances. I think they're dug in 519 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 7: on doubling down on the next wave of young position players. 520 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 7: Obviously that's risky, prospects don't always pan out, but it 521 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 7: seems like that's what this front off is is pretty 522 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 7: intent on doing. They're not in on Alex Bragman right now. 523 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna get in on Boba Schett. 524 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 7: Maybe they could always add another pitcher, but even I'm 525 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 7: not sure it would be a top of the line guy. 526 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 7: They're probably not one hundred percent done this offseason, but 527 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 7: I don't see anything big happening, especially on the position 528 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 7: player front. 529 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 6: All Right, Cody, I want to get to hold up. 530 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 4: Hold up. 531 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 5: It's amazing because they were they were disclosed, Cody. We 532 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 5: were there in Seattle from going to the LCS right 533 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 5: in making a run to go deep in the playoffs. 534 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 4: I mean, they were one hit away. 535 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 5: Just it's mind boggling to me because I remember that 536 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 5: Mike Ilich, not Chris Vilich, Mike Ilitch, and he'd be like, Oh. 537 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: We're this close. 538 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 5: Okay, we're gonna go get David Price, and we're gonna 539 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 5: go get you know, whoever took Princefield, or we're gonna 540 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 5: go get whoever we need to get us try at 541 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 5: least to get us to the next level. So it's 542 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 5: just such a different mindset from the It's like, wow, 543 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 5: is this the same Tigers? You know, I know it's 544 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 5: not because mister Illig passed away a while ago and 545 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 5: his son now runs a team. But wow, it's just 546 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: such a different mindset that, you know, the Tigers because 547 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 5: if you for me, but being someone that was in 548 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 5: the Central for so long, the Tigers have the city 549 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 5: and the power and the fan base to really do 550 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 5: something and take a step and control this division for 551 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 5: years to come. But it's just like, oh, well we 552 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 5: have mcgonagale come in and you know, Joeb we'll be 553 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: back at some point, and oh, we'll just wait for 554 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 5: them and then hope we play good enough and then 555 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 5: if we just get in it's good enough. 556 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: Well. 557 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 5: No, like they haven't won since what eighty four, right, 558 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 5: Restore the Roar eighty four? 559 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 7: I mean it's been a long time now, Yeah, it's 560 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 7: it's been a long time. And the unfortunate reality, you know, 561 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 7: you just said it, Mike Ilich is dead. This is 562 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 7: not the same Tigers of the mid twenty tens. They 563 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 7: run things a lot differently now. They're not quite a 564 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 7: small market club. They run kind of a mid market payroll, 565 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 7: but they're pretty focused on development and being one of 566 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 7: these new wave player development driven organizations. I think there's 567 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 7: a real argument that they should do a little more, 568 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 7: that maybe they are one player away, one veteran bad away. 569 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 7: The Tigers will tell you that they made the Alds 570 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 7: and had a great season with the third most played 571 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 7: appearances of players under twenty five. They think they're young, 572 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 7: they think they're only going to get better. They want 573 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 7: to maintain flexibility, both in terms of their roster, both 574 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 7: in terms of payroll. So it's definitely, you know, a 575 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 7: lot of varying approaches. It's not what a lot of 576 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 7: fans want to see. I can kind of twist my 577 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 7: head and sometimes see the team's logic, but I think 578 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 7: it's definitely focused not just on twenty twenty six. I 579 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 7: think they're looking at twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine. 580 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 7: There have been other teams that have done that in 581 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 7: the past, and it doesn't always work out, So I 582 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 7: think it's it's certainly a little bit of a gamble 583 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 7: in its own way, the approach that they are taking. 584 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: You wrote an article about how pitchers are seeking a 585 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: boost from Japan or even Korea and the MPB and KBO. 586 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: I mean, case in point, you have Cody Ponce who 587 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: went for another year back to Japan and absolutely dark 588 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: excuse me, Korea absolutely dominated out there, and now he 589 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: gets a three year, thirty million dollar deal. Talk a 590 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: little bit about you know what you wrote, and you 591 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: know about how pitchers are getting better as they go 592 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: out there and then when they come back. 593 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 594 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 7: I think one of the more interesting trends we've seen 595 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 7: this offseason is the market that's developed from guys coming 596 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 7: back from Japan and really especially Korea. Cody Ponce got 597 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 7: three years and thirty million, Drew Anderson the Tigers played 598 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 7: seven million, and other teams wanted him. Ryan Weiss is 599 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 7: going to the Houston Astros and people are really optimistic 600 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 7: about what he could be. These are dudes who are 601 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 7: going to be parts of MLB rotations. And then Anthony 602 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 7: k with the White Sox and Foster Griffin with the 603 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 7: Nationals are coming back from Japan. These are guys who 604 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 7: I feel like a decade ago just might not have existed. 605 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 7: Most of them were first or second round pick, good 606 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 7: prospects who didn't work out and in the past. Maybe 607 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 7: these guys would toil away in Triple A and maybe 608 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 7: they make it back, maybe they don't. It seems like 609 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 7: players are becoming more willing to go overseas Korea, especially pitch, 610 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 7: refine their stuff, add a pitch, do something different, and 611 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 7: get better. MLB teams as a result, are paying a 612 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 7: little more attention to these leagues. They're using their pitch 613 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 7: models stuff plus to say, hey, we know the KBO 614 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 7: is a week hitting environment, but this guy's pretty nasty. 615 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 7: We have reason to believe it can translate. And these 616 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 7: guys are then coming back in their late twenties or 617 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 7: early thirties with multiple teams wanning their services. These aren't 618 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 7: minor league deals, these are major league contracts. Part of 619 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 7: the reason is teams being quote unquote cheap. Everyone's obsessed 620 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 7: with finding value, and we all know the middle part 621 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 7: of the free agent market can get a little bit dicey. 622 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 7: You see guys like Luis Severino getting fifteen twenty million 623 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 7: dollars struggled last year for the A's. I think team 624 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 7: are saying, hey, rather than pay some veteran fifteen to 625 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 7: twenty million, what if we pluck a guy out of 626 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 7: the KBO pay him half that, and we think there 627 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 7: could be just as much upside. This has been percolating 628 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 7: for a couple of years and there are at least 629 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 7: five guys who kind of fit this bill. I think 630 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 7: this season is going to be a little bit of 631 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 7: a litmus test for if this can actually work, because 632 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 7: although it's cool, there are some good stories, there is 633 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 7: also uncertainty when guys are coming back from overseas. But 634 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 7: it's becoming more common than it used to. It's no 635 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 7: longer like you go over there and you're probably not 636 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 7: coming back. 637 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 6: Hey, Cody, what did you think? 638 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: I know we're talking about the US players, but what 639 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: did you think of the Japanese market for the players 640 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: that we're playing an MPB for a long time and 641 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: are Japanese born players Like I don't even know if 642 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I want to go murk Kamie. 643 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 6: I kind of want to go more on the Ami. 644 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: Factor here based on your article and how it, in 645 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: my opinion, seemed like they might have undervalued him. 646 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, it'll be a fascinating player to watch this year. 647 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 7: I think he was getting a lot of hype because 648 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 7: there's always a lot of hype around, you know, the 649 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 7: big players coming over from Japan. Some of the scouts 650 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 7: I talked to in the league weren't all that impressed, 651 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 7: or at least saw a lot of risk. 652 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 6: In his profile. 653 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 7: Now, this is a guy who can throw in the 654 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 7: upper nineties, who has a good splitter, who has a 655 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 7: good slider, but no one was projecting him to be 656 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 7: Yamamoto or even Showda In Monaga. He was viewed, you know, 657 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 7: more along the lines of kind of a number four 658 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 7: starter with even some reliever risk. So I thought it 659 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 7: was possible he could get a little bigger deal just 660 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 7: based on the upside. But I also wasn't totally shocked 661 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 7: at the deal he signed. It seemed to me more 662 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 7: in line with what I had heard from evaluators across 663 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 7: the league than some of the numbers, you know, one 664 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 7: hundred plus million being floated out there where I just 665 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 7: think the teams see some risk in his profile. They 666 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 7: want to see if he can overcome adversity in a 667 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 7: different league. There's always concerns guys coming over the all 668 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 7: is different. So he may's a really good pitcher, But again, 669 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 7: no one was ever proclaiming him to be Yamamoto, So 670 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 7: I wasn't totally shocked at the contract ended up being 671 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 7: a little lower than some people. 672 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 5: Thought, Cody, before I let you go, why don't mid 673 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 5: market teams take more flyers on some of these Japanese 674 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 5: guys coming over? Meaning the amis like you said, because 675 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 5: he didn't get as much. Now, the White Sox did 676 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 5: it with Mark Kami, But why would they not? It's 677 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 5: just because the risk is too great and they don't 678 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 5: They can't afford to give a guy like a my 679 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 5: seventeen eighteen million dollars for a couple of years. But 680 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 5: if it does work out, they make that money back 681 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 5: hand over fist in the Japanese marketing and all that stuff. 682 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 5: So why are some of the smaller market teams like 683 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 5: this would be a perfect guy, I thought, for we 684 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 5: use the Tigers who you cover, right, he could fit 685 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 5: flip right in there into the third fourth spot in 686 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 5: the rotation. And if he turns out to be something, wow, 687 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 5: we really got something with Schooble and Flaherty in a mine. 688 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 4: You know, do you see what I'm saying? 689 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: Like, well, I just don't understand why some smaller market 690 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 5: teams don't go a little bit more into this. 691 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 7: It could be as simple as they don't think these 692 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 7: guys are that good. You look at Murakami, you look 693 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 7: at Okamoto. These guys are corner players. No one quite 694 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 7: knows how I mean, a Kimodo can probably hit philosity 695 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 7: a lot better than Murakami, but no one quite knows 696 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 7: what they're gonna be at the MLB level, even tatsoy Eme. Like, 697 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 7: we just talked about the risk, So it's possible that 698 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 7: a lot of teams just didn't have great evaluations on 699 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 7: these players. It's also possible that the risk is just 700 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 7: too much, which in a way relates to the thing 701 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 7: we were talking about with the KBO. If you're looking 702 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 7: to get someone you realistically think can be a two 703 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 7: war pitcher, would you rather pay a much higher figure 704 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 7: eighteen twenty million, knowing there's some upside, or would you 705 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 7: rather play it safe pay seven million for Drew Anderson 706 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 7: you think he can be a two war pitcher, and 707 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 7: if he's not, it's only seven million. You just move on. 708 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 7: You find someone else. I'm not saying that philosophy is right, 709 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 7: but I think that's clearly what the Tigers and some 710 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 7: other teams have done. It's a little bit safer, it's 711 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 7: a little bit cheaper, and it also speaks to like 712 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 7: I think teams really value volume with pitching injuries are 713 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 7: so volatile. If you can get three or four guys 714 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 7: a pay guys seven mil, sign three guys on minor 715 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 7: league deals, hope one of them hits. Is that a 716 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 7: better strategy than paying a fistful of money to someone 717 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 7: who you don't quite know what they are going to be, 718 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 7: even if there's a little more upside. I don't know 719 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 7: if that's right, but I think that's kind of what 720 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 7: the thinking is. 721 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the philosophy. That makes sense, and it's 722 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: great homework on a great article. Check it out in 723 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: The Athletic. Cody Stavenhiggen joining us, and of course a 724 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: fresh Tiger Territory episode. 725 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 6: Did you do one yet or it's coming out on 726 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 6: the Schoogle News. 727 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 7: Because I know we got one this morning school now. 728 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so everyone check that out and if you want 729 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: to hear more on the spice between the two sides, 730 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: go for it. 731 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 6: Cody, have a good weekend. Thanks for joining us. Good 732 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 6: to see you, dude. 733 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 7: All right, Thanks guys, good stuff. 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