WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Amerie 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.080 E four warrened Ladies and Gentlemen, It's gonna be one 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:19.599 of those gargantuan long quest Love introus So you gotta 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.000 go to the bathroom. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.000 Or you know some quest Love spream if you're if 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:25.000 you're driving. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.800 Right now, or however you receive this podcast, just know 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.720 you probably want to skip to the eight minute mark, 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.120 which will officially start the program. So no for real, 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.640 Welcome to quest Love Supreme, Ladies and gentlemen. I am 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.920 your host quest Love. How's it going like? 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:43.440 It's good? 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:43.440 Good? 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.280 Good? The sun is out? 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:50.680 So sun is out? Okay? And Steve, how's life good? 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:51.920 The sun is out here? 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.600 And uh as we see Yeah, life is good. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.520 And Bill Yeah, man, I'm in a basement. I don't 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.920 know where the sun is, but I've never been been. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.200 It sounds like me right about now? 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:07.360 Yes, okay, great, okay, So there's probably one artist I mean, yes, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.880 you guys have all of your requests the rare times 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.440 that I delve into the general population of my dms. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.760 You know, it's two types of dms, the dms that 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.920 people you follow, and then dms of the other two million, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.880 nine hundred people you deal with, but I will say 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:31.240 that there's probably one artist to whom the QLs listeners 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.840 slash fam have probably been salivating over. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.720 For the last eight nine years. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.840 Like we could just round it off that we've been 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.880 on for a decade, you know, cat years, podcast years, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.840 and it's really not like our guest has been hiding 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.840 in the shadows. I will probably even dare say I 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:56.760 probably have now seen her more in the context of 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.560 her book club discussions than I've seen how I first 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.360 got to know her and how we all got to 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.920 know her as a musician singer, which you know is 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.640 kind of a special thing. But this is court Love Supreme. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.880 And there is an itch I've Indynah scratch because that 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:19.200 could probably falsely lead you into believing that our guest 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:25.280 today her musical canon is easily bypassable, and that is 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:30.520 a negative. I know, I'm world famous for my hyperbolic 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.639 intros and whatnot, So yeah, just ride with me, all, okay, Look, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.160 disclosure of course, we know that Mary is the queen 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.799 of hip hop, soul, hip hop, R and P. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.760 There's absolutely no disputing that fact. I feel like our. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:49.200 Guest is the god of boom Bap soul and my 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:56.040 definition of boom bap soul boom Bap souls like when 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.160 you display your talents, your vocal talents on top the 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:05.000 rhythms that are so hard and I mean hard, like 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.600 the way that dress says on the first Black Sheep 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:13.360 album hard that it can easily be interchangeable with a 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.799 credible rapper's voice, like and based on the. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.040 Events of Oh Shit. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.639 Single Demayo twenty twenty four, now, I mean you could 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.120 be listening to this in the future and you need 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.880 a reference. You know that time in single Demayo twenty 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.600 twenty four, I believe the entire world found out the 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:37.920 difference between a credible let me not play sides, credible 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:42.040 MCing and non credible MCing, And I believe that that 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:43.880 is a compliment in the highest order. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.240 You love how a bullet dodge that? 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:46.480 Uh? 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.480 I look kim at, Yeah, you look right exactly. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.960 Little kim Oh, that's what we're doing instead of matrix dodging, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.880 we're little kim in it, yo, Like, I'm gonna. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:57.400 Use that from now on. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.720 That said, I feel like our guest has checked many 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.920 requirement list in providing us with what I say is 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:12.080 our undeniable bangers, like more bangers than some of my. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.320 Favorite rappers have made bangers. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.560 And if I keep it a buck, her music probably 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.240 changed my opinion of the Tom Tom. There's a time 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.600 when you knew Questlove had minimum drums, and then one 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.920 day you saw, like, damn, he's playing real drums. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:29.440 He has a full setup there. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.239 I will say that our guest was probably the quiet 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.440 paradigm shift in my relationship to my own craft that 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.240 I've been doing since I was five. So it takes 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.679 a mighty influencer to make that shit happen. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.200 Anyway, you gotta yell louder. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.120 Yeah, you know, for the people in the bet. Can 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.960 I make this intro any longer? Absolutely, Ladies and gentlemen. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.560 I feel as though our guest has never been given 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.000 a proper due. I would say that our guest is 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:01.560 probably the metaphorical giving tree. And I'm being very careful 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.240 withe of my words right here. She's probably the giving 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:16.360 tree who's every creative move has been analyzed, copied, eaten, regurgitated, refurbished, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:18.640 and resold back to us. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.360 And if there ever was. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.400 An artist to whom and I'm really passionate about this 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.760 only because you know, I'm not doing the whole self 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:27.920 deprecating thing of like. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.480 You know that was our story too. I'm not even 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:32.520 making us about me. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.360 But there's ever an artist to whom I wanted to 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.640 peek under the hood of creativity. I will say it's 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:45.520 our guests a Marie Rogers Nicholson. Once we were successfully 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:50.520 able to book her at the Roots Picnic, which passed already, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.800 and I'm manifesting that it was great. Yes, full disclosure, 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.680 of course, ladies and gentlemen, we're doing this way before 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.240 the Roots Picnic, but just pretend. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.599 So yes, I will just say. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.360 I will just say that, you know, we've had very 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.000 few personal interactions, only because I really wanted this platform 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.400 to be the first time that we had our real conversations, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.840 because I know that I tend to freak a lot 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.560 of my peers out, because I probably come off more 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.800 like a journalist than a human being to some people. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.760 So I figured, at least our first true interaction mixing 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.440 can be on this platform, and then after this we 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.559 could be friends. Not to be out done, I'm also 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.720 obsessed with how she's pivoted into the world of literature, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.760 a world that I just stepped into in the last 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:45.839 half year in the world of publishing, authoring, not to 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:51.960 mention songwriting, producing, acting, and most importantly, what's commendable is 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.640 what I believe is her decision to kind of get 0:06:55.680 --> 0:07:01.320 out of the cesspool of the old record label system 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.760 that we're having, you know, God willing by the forties 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.640 and fifties. Of course, I met my day job, so 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.560 you have to hear what's happening anyway. Yeah, I did 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.400 I even make it the eight minute. God damn, ladies 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.640 and gentlemen. I always wanted to say this, Please welcome 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:23.120 our guest. Finally A Mari I apologize. I think that 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.160 was the longest intro I've ever done. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.960 Can I just tell our listeners if you want to, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.360 you can listen to two A Marie songs in that time. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:38.600 That's what I said, how are you? 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.200 I'm so humbled by I'm humbled by everything that you're saying. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.320 I really appreciate that. You know, people always think that, Well, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.640 I guess I don't know. Every artist is different, but 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.640 for me, you never know what people think. You know, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.720 you never know people tell you like, well this affected 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.160 me this way or not. But you're living your own skin, 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.640 so you just kind of that all just kind of disappears, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.040 and so it's easy to feel kind of like you 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.440 just created yourself and you're just creating and nobody cares. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.200 And so that's just kind of like how everyone is 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.800 different that I can say that's how I am. And 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.240 so it's like, oh, I appreciate that, thank you, Like, wow. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.200 That's are you saying you feel seen right now? 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.200 I feel seen right now. I feel heard. Like I'm like, oh, okay, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.800 you know, all right, all right. We've had some interactions 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.240 before in the past, you know what I mean, Like 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.560 we've we've had some of that, but you're right, we 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.880 never like had a full blown like conversation like like 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.720 big ones. We've had little conversations here and there. But 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.920 I always before I would have released anything, I would 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.200 always feel kind of like some pressure because I would 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.400 be like, I wonder what mirror thinks about this? What 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:45.240 is he gonna think about? 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:47.280 Dude? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.640 I'm such a fan of yours, like your demos, Your 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:52.800 demos for other. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:59.920 Artists are like part of my daily my current DJ set. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.120 Like your work, you find. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.160 Demos from other artists a meter, How do you what 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:05.760 are the demos from other artists? 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.920 My name is, you know who I am? 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:13.440 Like, I'm not even doing this to flex, like literally 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:19.200 in this room are artifacts and I don't know. I 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:24.000 think I've built up a cachet of which people know 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.280 that I might be interested in certain things, especially on 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:27.880 Okay Player. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:32.880 There's a severe underground sect of us that are into. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.720 How the sausage is made, and you know, like uh 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.960 like for instance still to this day. I mean, I 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:48.839 would say loves Off the chain was probably created in 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.720 two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, maybe created. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.480 In two thousand and eight nine, No, when. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:56.400 When was that creative? 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.440 First of all, I wondered, I was wondering, like, how 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.400 did you get that? How do you even have that somewhere? 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.600 I don't even know if I was crying some box somewhere. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:09.440 But no, love, love, lucks change, that was I did 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.880 that when we did one thing during that time. I 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.360 think that was thousand or three. Yeah, we just didn't know. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:17.719 We didn't we didn't know what we're going to do 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.280 with it yet, but there were there were there was 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.480 like a there was a I think I would say 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.839 one main option. I don't know if oh yeah, okay, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:32.200 maybe did we talk about this before no, I just guess, yeah, yeah, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:32.920 I think. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.480 Janet, because Janet is the only person that I don't 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.520 know has like received the Rich Harrison treatment. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.079 But I think I think it was It was Janet though. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.520 That's that's that's who has always been in mind. It 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.520 was for But we didn't really we didn't really know 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.720 that was going to maybe use it or not. I 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:50.720 wasn't sure if it felt like me. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.320 I give credit where credit is due. Shout out to 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.400 uh Philly's and Cosmic Keev, a guy to whom I 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:03.520 would say probably I credit with my creative direction in 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.600 DJ and the stuff I do to this day, and 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.560 when he really likes a record, he'll just stay on 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.800 that intro and not care. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.440 But for me, like to this day, I. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.800 Still spend those records like they'll they'll never and may 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.520 still work. They still work, they still work. We'll get 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.720 to that. We'll get to that. How are you today? 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.040 Where are you speaking to us from? 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:23.160 Like? 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.960 Where are you good? I'm in Atlanta right. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.520 Now, and so you reside in Atlanta? 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.240 In Atlanta, yeah, and back and forth between LA and 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:36.120 Atlanta a little bit, and yeah, everything's good. I actually 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.559 on the deadline, actually just I have a lot of 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.080 self and posed deadlines for writing stuff. But then I 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.240 was just doing some past pages because I have a 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.600 novel coming out. We didn't announce it yet, you know, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.839 we always meant to announce it, and we didn't announce it. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.120 But have a novel coming out next year. Nice for 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.800 growing up because I did a children's book and everything, 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.600 but it's like, you know, grown up novel. And then 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.000 I'm just now getting into Like I just had a 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.600 conversation with the producer that I won't name just yet, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.960 but we were just like, Okay, we gotta let's let's 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.040 get in and play because I'm working. I'm just now 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.719 beginning working on the next album. It's really this this 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.560 next album. I mean, I always have a lot of 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.440 ideas and projects. That's one thing I like about not 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.240 being like in the traditional record label system because it 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.559 didn't really work for me because so like I would 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.400 by the time I would finish recording for a project, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.640 It's like for me, it was never like now I'm done. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.760 It was more like I'm just recording and just making stuff, creating, playing, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.280 and then we just have a cut off point. But 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.040 by the time we would get to that cutoff point 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.440 I would almost start getting into a different vibe. So 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.640 if I kept going, it would just be a different 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.080 project that doesn't go with the last one. So even 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.679 by the time we started doing like visuals and all 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.320 that stuff for the album, I was kind of like 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.760 over it already, because I was already like, now I'm 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:03.160 doing this sound and this vibe, and I don't want 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.280 to do that other sound, and that that would frustrate 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.280 me a lot, Like I would be frustrated with myself 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.280 as an artist, because I'd be like, why don't you 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.320 this is the visual vibe, the visual section, and why 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.920 don't you just dig into that? But I'd be like, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.240 but I'm feeling a different mood now. Now I'm in 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.839 this sound and this feel and these colors, and they 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.440 want to drag me back into the thing. I already 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.000 did it, Like I already got it off my chest. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.000 I've done, I'm moving on. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.800 But you lived with it. We haven't lived. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.720 With it yet, but right no one else lived with it. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.440 And plus I was doing stuff that you know, I 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.840 know a lot of people like the visuals. Frankly, Bro 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.440 and I talked about this once, like about how we 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:47.240 see music, and like even like it's just like colors. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.280 It's just synesthesia, right, but not to the not to 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.120 the degree where it's like a clinical thing, but like 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.640 it's the point where, like, if I'm recording myself the 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.920 pro tools, colors will mess me up because the hook 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.000 should not be orange. It's blue and it should be here. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.640 So then I placed the tracks all these places. That 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:11.760 makes my engineer crazy. But doing visuals I didn't like. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.640 I don't really like doing visuals to music. I do it, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.200 but once the visual happens, the thing that's in my 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.720 head changes, and I think that's why I was kind 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.960 of resistant to it as well, just why I don't 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.000 always have a million visuals. If it was up to me, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.840 I would have no visuals. I would just have to 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:32.560 here's some colors, here's some texture, and that's it. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.240 Are you a fan of the UK collective known as Salt. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:38.400 Have you heard of them? 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.120 Familiar with them? No? I'm not familiar. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.160 S A U L T. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:47.800 I guarantee they will change your life like Salt basically. Okay, 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.560 So they kind of started off with this daft punk 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.680 mission where they didn't want to be known. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.680 All their album covers are black. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:05.880 They've since then they've since then, uh like adapted to 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.960 you know, read and you know, but there's really no visuals. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.240 But initially they were mystery. But of course we know 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:19.320 that Inflow Cleo soul Kid's sister. There might be a 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:24.400 few other people contributing, but yeah, that's that's a group 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.880 who has used kind of mystery to. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.800 The hilt where interesting and that's the thing like you, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:36.400 for instance, I wanted. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.800 To do that. My first album had almost had no 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.400 pictures when we sent out the first Yes, when we 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.440 sent out when I first came Outler. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:45.640 Yeah. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.720 Look, I've been saying this for years, but even from 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.400 the first album, because I've been trying to be like 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.520 you know what. And that's then I liked, like one 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.760 of the albums I did. I like those visuals. I 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.680 like those visuals because we did those visuals on our own. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.560 And I was like, Okay, I like this because I 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.920 look like myself. I look like me. I look like 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.360 me when I look in the mirror, like it just 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.600 still looks like me. But in the very beginning, you 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.320 probably have this sampler. I'd be surprised if you didn't, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.040 because you have everything pretty much. It was the first 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.280 it was the first sampler and it was wan and 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.240 fall in love. I think I just died is on 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.800 it and like something else that I'm like holding on 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:26.600 to a branch or something like like that. And and 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.080 I love the way the shoot came out. But I 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:35.760 was like, can we just have my name with no pictures? 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.920 They're like what I was like, I always it a 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:44.160 rope okay, rope okay. I knew it was something, and 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.400 I was like, I just want my name on it. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.520 I was like this, no one knows who I am 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.000 is the first impression. I really just wanted to be 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.600 the music. If that's it, like no preconceived notions, no 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.120 ideas of what it should sound like. Because we meet 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.280 people at that time and I would tell I'm like 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:01.920 I saying it came, it would come up. I never 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.080 would just tell people that. They always kind of had 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.159 this idea of what I would sound like, and they 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.160 would always say Aliyah. I love Aliyah. But they were 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.359 just they were just talking to me. They would just 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.760 kind of I think I need to just be introduced 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.120 to everyone with nothing but just the music and that's it, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.119 no visuals and that's it. And then they didn't they 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.840 didn't want to do that they didn't want to do that. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.240 I kept bringing that up in later projects, even though 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.720 people knew it was me. I was still like, I 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.359 don't know. I thought about changing my name. I consider 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.159 doing an album without letting anyone know who I was 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.560 at all, and I was like, I think they'll still 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.800 know that it's me. Though I actually created a sound 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.680 cloud with a not a real name, I still haven't 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.199 told anybody what it is because I was like, I 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.080 think I'm going to just do this and this is 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.080 why I'll release music like under this. So wait, they're 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.480 touring with that idea for so years and years. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.040 There's a sound caou page right now that has your 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.600 music that we don't know is you. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.400 No, No, there's no music on it. There's no music 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.600 on it right now. I think I think I almost 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:01.960 put something on there. And I was like, oh, I 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.320 don't think so. Because then I heard this Beatles story 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:05.919 and they were like they try to do that like 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.640 where they were performing that people would know it was them. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.359 Then I was like, what if I only do songs 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.600 that are definitely probably not what people would think about 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.400 it being me? It might be easier. People who really 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.520 know me will be like those harmonies and those it's 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:20.240 very familiar. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.080 Your harmonies and your voice. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.680 Slidings give you away instantly, so you would have to 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:31.920 sing super dry. No influx is no good like none 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:39.520 of your slides and none of that shit. Right, Hey, Mariy, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.200 what is your first musical memory in life? 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.159 My first musical memory? I have a few, Okay, so 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.320 they're kind of like mixed up, but they're all in 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:50.600 the same time period. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:51.119 Okay. 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.080 One of the ones that really sticks out is like 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.040 my birthday party and my dad was like playing Stevie Wonder, 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.960 Oh digging it. But I was also like, Daddy, want 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.000 this is something else? And I think I was like, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.000 I don't know, eight nine, and he was like you 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:09.679 can name it. No, no, no, no, no, no no. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.000 He was like dancing, and you know, all the kids 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.439 are like, okay, I don't know what we wanted at 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.960 that time, but it was something for the kids. And 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.919 so I was like, all right, thanks Daddy, And so 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.160 I remember that by Stevie Wonder was it was an influence, Okay. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.800 A big big memory was also the Grease soundtrack. I 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:31.320 really liked that soundtrack one right, Grease, one Yes, And 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:32.720 I would I would, I would swing on the swing 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.280 set and she sing the whole thing before that. Because 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:36.400 I got to go back in time. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:42.199 Let me interrupt you, Bill, what wait she mentioned that? 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.680 And then lan you mentioned that, you know. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.080 Let's talk about Greece Too, because that's a terrible film. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.199 Was like I was. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.640 I was like Michelle Pfeifer though, like who's that? Who's that? 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.439 Boy Wady become from Like yeah, that was. I was like, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:57.600 I want to be that cool. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.359 So wait last roots pick nick. 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.760 There's a movie theater in Philadelphia and my hotel was 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.760 across the street. They were having like a midnight showing 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:12.280 of Greece Too. And I'm like, Greese Too. And I 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.440 thought in my mind, like this is a flop movie. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.520 I know Michelle Pfeiffer's in it, but they are fans 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:17.840 of this. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.040 It's the way of life, man. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.400 But I went to this thing and do the entire audience. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:23.719 It was. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.680 It was almost like their version of uh or Rocky 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.240 hardor Audience where the audience sings with them. I didn't 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.159 realize that Greece Too was that big of. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:40.159 A just because Michelle, because she was yes, she was 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.119 like cool, it's cool, writer, No, cool? 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.879 Cool was the gym the first one. 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:53.040 I wanted the jacket back then too, so like, you know, 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:54.240 you can have it, look alike. 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:56.840 My girlfriend has told me that she prefers Grease to 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:58.840 up for like two weeks just. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:04.119 I'm meeting these people back to I'm meeting two people 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.920 like Rider died Grease Tours, and I don't understand how. 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.680 Now Yeah, yeah, sorry, friend. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.120 Anyway, you were eight at your birthday party, dad played 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.800 Stevie one. There was eighty eight eighty nine, so you probably. 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:18.879 Wanted to hear. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.080 Yeah. I thought, you know, maybe b C Boys or 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.320 something like that. But I'm now I'm going back, so 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.440 I'm going earlier. Okay, so if I say this, maybe 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.600 it'll trigger something earlier. But I think this may be 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.960 like my first strong because I remember like like a 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.240 virgin playing in the car and we were singing along, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.680 and later I thought about I was like my mom. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.560 You know, my mom's Korean, she speaks English, but at 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:41.639 that time too, it's just like she's not paying attention 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.359 to the radio and the English was happening on there. 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.080 I was like, didn't think that was kind of inappropriate 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:47.719 for us to be singing that in the back. But 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:49.639 this is back in the day, no car seats, no 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.359 booster seat, You're just back there. And so we were 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:57.120 singing that. But the Thriller video. I remember when the 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:02.080 Thriller video came out. I remember we watched it in 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.040 the living room. I was scared. He was so handsome 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.240 and he's like, you know, as a kid, there might 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.639 be effects, but your mind, you don't see the effects. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.760 You see the real thing. So to me, it was 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.919 really really scary. The zombies were really really scary. But 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.960 also I was dancing and I liked it, but I 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:20.960 was also scared. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.480 Every week kid, that is, every kid that watch. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.600 It was nightmare and I wanted the jacket and I 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.240 wanted to be her. I call her the thing is 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.320 that the kid? You just everything is real and you 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.680 don't you know. So to me, even though it was 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.080 a different song, I see her in the video with him, 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.480 she's Billy Jean. I'm like, I want to be really Jean. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:48.800 I want that outfit, like I want to be Billy Jean. 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.240 No, no, no, no no, I thought, Jean. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.320 Okay, because everything's real, right real. 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.840 So Michael Jackson, that's Michael Jackson and this is he's 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:02.880 Is he really a thing? Is he really a thing. 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.600 Maybe that's really him. He's like a really aware wolf. 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:09.240 Oh there's that's that's Billy Jean. That's his girlfriend, right, 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.719 And she's so like beautiful and they're real. They're not 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.679 like playing a character on screen. They are real people 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.240 that are really together. And she's really scared and she's 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:21.119 really in this zombie thing and she's really gorgeous and 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.560 it's like the epitome of like who you want to 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:24.120 be as a girl. 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:25.600 Right. 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:31.320 But I also wanted to be Michael Jackson too, and 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.160 the knife fighting, like I was, I was into that. 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:34.800 That was beat it. 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.280 You know, all blends together. 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.640 Oh yeah, I was thinking bad, but yeah he bought 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:39.000 a couple of. 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.200 Times, right, yes, so it all blends together. So that's 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:47.679 that's probably my my earliest earliest you know, I have 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.320 that and my dad playing the Marvin Gay. So I 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.360 listened to listen to Marvin Gay on my own, like religiously. 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.560 He had the whole Marvin Gay collection and I would 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.040 just listen to it. That's why I always say that 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.960 Michael Jackson, Gay and Mary J. Blige are my top 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:07.639 three influence Okay, okay, and Phil Spector probably yours choice. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.320 Okay, that was an interesting fourth choice. Did see that. 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:17.920 The wall of sound? Oh okay, it was because the production. 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.600 But what I hear is the instruments. But the one 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.960 thing with Rich and I we would always like he understood. 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.400 I was like, I hear those instruments, but the voice 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.760 is an instrument. And so when we would create songs, 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.440 it'd be like, we need this part, Like, no, I'll 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.679 sing this vocal part, but it's like a trumpet. So 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.880 I'm singing it but not like it's it's a trumpet. 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:42.320 Okay, I have to interrupt and skip. You're forcing me 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.919 to to to skipad no, no, no, no, because I gotta know. 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:53.359 I gotta know your background trademarks are so unusual because 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.679 I never okay. So as an engineer, if I'm dealing 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:02.640 with background vocals, I would tend to think that the 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.800 soprano voice, the highest one, would be sort of the ringleader, 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.440 and then I'll figure out a way to tuck the 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:14.000 tenor alto and base like the other harmonies, like under them, 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.320 really not put them on top of the cause you know, 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.119 I would think that the cherry on top, like the 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.520 melody on top, is what drives the vehicle. 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:26.800 But your tenor is always the loudest. 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.399 Your tenor's louder than your your top voice, Your tenor's 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:34.959 louder than your your out of voice. Like literally, I 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.040 was like, wow, that's really curious that when she does 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:42.959 like three four part harmony that she brings out the 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:48.040 one voicing that I, as an engineer, would have tucked under, 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.280 and it's loud and up front. 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:51.720 Almost. 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.240 You mentioned Marvin gay and I was going to ask, 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:58.080 because especially on your first record, you do this kind of. 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:00.919 Marvin Gaye does it. 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:04.080 Of course, Marvin Gaye pioneered, and Slick Rick also did 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:09.800 it where you know, sometimes the narrator, the lead person sings, 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:14.560 but often the background vocal has just as much agency 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:19.480 as the singer has. What is your method of song? 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:23.080 Because then I'm wondering, like, are you writing this on paper? 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.080 Like okay, while sing this and then the background singing that, 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.320 and in parenthal, we. 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.280 Do it all, we do it all. It's just like, okay, 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:31.960 the backgrounds. It would be a lot of work because 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.679 the backgrounds, and I did one project, but I was like, 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.080 you know what, I'm just trying to not do any 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.800 of those backgrounds. I'm just keep I just noticed people 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:40.639 just only do top line. So I'm gonna just do 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.359 some top line. Wow, this is way faster getting through 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.760 a song because the backgrounds are always like really really 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.800 important and so really it's just a matter of not 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.760 writing anything down or anything, but just like listening and 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.800 then saying, okay something. A lot of times how you 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:01.280 would like bed the lower vocals, like the lower those 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.200 would be more of the feature. Those will have more movement, 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.760 so like I like to do like the high one, 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.959 those would be sustained more like and no. But then 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:18.120 underneath it like that, and then it's like, okay, let 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:19.600 me have that in between, and it's like okay, what 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.639 can go in the middle of that? Maybe a little 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:30.560 something dumb, right and something like So then things are 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.680 like kind of moving. And this is why I say 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.080 I for me, the music is like visual, but in 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:40.119 a different way. It's like it's movement like color and 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.280 kind of like you know, like it's hard for me 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:48.119 to articulate it exactly because it is something that's very visual, 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.280 but not in a picture, not in a real human 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.879 being colors, like if you look at the universe and 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.879 the galaxy and you're like seeing like swirling. I know 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:59.120 it sounds like silly, but we're not silly. But I'm 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.679 not trying to be about it. It's just that that 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.199 is literally how I'm creating. And Rich is similar in 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.760 when we would do our vocals, we like collaborate really 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:12.000 well because we think very similarly. When it comes to 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.760 especially those kinds of background notes. 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:21.680 Well, then my one question is how tedious is it 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:23.600 if you're doing this live? 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:25.920 Like how hard are you on. 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.960 Either if you got background singers, like how hard are you? 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.879 Like? Do not sing? I don't. I tried that and 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.399 I was like, no, no, no, no. 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:39.600 Say it. 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:47.200 No you can't. You can't sing it there as when. 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:51.600 I didn't know you. There's a moment ah damn, okay, 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.640 it's it's actually one of my favorite albums of yours 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.560 is the one that you didn't release in the United States. 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.480 Because I love it because I love it. 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:01.520 And the intro. 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.280 And the thing was, Okay, the first song I would say, 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.400 this is probably how she's gonna come out on stage, 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.560 So this is gonna be the intro song that you know, 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:16.640 because it's not a full song. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:17.600 It's like a two minute thing. 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.840 So I was like, yeah, she's But then when I 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.320 heard the backgrounds I said, Yo, this is this is 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:27.760 really intricate. And then I said to myself, I wonder 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.200 how hard she is on her background vocals. 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.480 Like so hard they don't exist. 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.480 She no, But then I think I actually put in 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.400 my head she must be a hard, difficult person to 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:39.840 work for, because. 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.000 Like, I don't know, I don't know one singer that 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.560 won't stop the world. 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:49.600 I'm not kidding, I'm kind of kidding. I'll tell you 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:49.920 the story. 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.560 No, but that's the thing I actually said. 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.920 I said, I bet you she's she's a hard person 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:59.840 to work for because like, I can't see someone nailing 0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:03.479 me to perfection to the place where she wants it 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:03.880 to be. 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.440 So I bet you, like she just either just assists 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.400 like pro tool all my background vocals. We'll trust that. 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.760 But I was like, there's no way that someone is 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.880 doing this live and nailing it because you were just 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.000 your tag teaming with yourself in ways. 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:21.320 It's like a cat and mouse thing. 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:23.640 And I was like, I don't think this can be 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.920 recreated on stage, so that's it. 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:31.280 Really, no, it cannot be because everyone's voice is different. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.520 And I was joking when I said, oh, I don't know, 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:35.400 and I don't mean that to say, no, no, I 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.840 can sing it like me. It's not want to sound 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.960 like yourself. It's just that one is not going to 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.960 sound the same because it is someone else singing it. 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:48.200 But because again, the backgrounds are not backgrounds. Backgrounds are 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.000 like a lead. They are like the co stars of 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.440 the songs. And I say that in an objective way, 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.560 and that I'm not saying, well, that's me and that's 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.920 my voice. No, I mean just how they're crafted is 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.600 that they're very important there as important as the lead. 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.000 They are in a sense their own lead. Which and 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.360 since I'm not in a group, you can't sing that 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.240 part because you won't sound like me because you're not. 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.280 You're not you don't have my voice. You have your 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.040 own gift, your own voice, and it's different. And I 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.520 did try to have background singers before, and it wasn't 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.240 that they weren't getting the parts, although they always had 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.880 to be laid in there anyway, tucked because it would 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.720 be hard to follow otherwise. But also it doesn't sound 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.080 like me to me, And so when I'm singing, because 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.360 the song is supposed to sound like this, it was 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.840 another voice. It was throwing me off. And the textures 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:42.200 just weren't coming out correctly to me, and I will 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:48.800 I will say I'm a person I don't enjoy, generally speaking, 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:52.680 not all the time. I don't enjoy watching performances when 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.000 I'm listening to somebody singing their record and there's other 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.760 people's voices that are there that wasn't there on the record. Personally, 0:31:58.840 --> 0:31:59.520 I don't wait. 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.560 Do a live show in that way, right so you. 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:03.240 Can pro to it. 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:07.040 The vocals are all mine to p to it. We 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:08.520 had we got to the point where we would have 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:13.840 background singers miming they were they were mouthing, but don't 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.280 you day and the throat. 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.720 Right now, I feel like K pop is going through 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:31.520 their nostalgia nineties R and B period right now, Like 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.400 have you been approached to composed songs for any of 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.400 those groups or I know. 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.680 There was some talk about something like that maybe several 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.720 years ago, because I did collaborate with a couple of 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.880 artists a lot of years ago, like over a decade ago, 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.000 and then a couple of artists and that it has 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.840 been about that long in world, yeah, and then I 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.880 performed with them and we did things together over there, 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.680 and then there was talk about possibly doing some kind 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:05.200 of like writing that kind of thing, but I have it. 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.120 It could be cool, but there's so much that I 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.080 want to do creatively, and you know, you realize your 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.520 time is limited that I would just do my own 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.440 thing and put it out, which to me, it's always 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.920 made more sense than to go ahead and do what 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.760 I'm going to create and then songs that I don't 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.040 end up using that kind of thing seeing you know, 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.720 then shopping those like that, but not actually going in 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.080 and although I consider that too, like going in and 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.800 working with someone or some people like justpecifically craft something 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.120 for them, especially because as an artist, I feel like 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.040 I can go in and really respect them as an 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.480 artist and uh what they want to do and what 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.760 they don't want to do or sing about, you know, 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.720 just knowing from my own experiences. That's why I really 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.440 work with like different producers, but I have like the 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.640 ones that I really work well with. And the thing 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.720 is that, sometimes, even to my own like chagrin, I 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.320 have to write my own records. Really, the only person 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.440 who could really write records for me would be Rich 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.160 and we can collaborate, we can write them or like 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:09.680 one or two other people. That's it because no one 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.600 else is going to actually write a song. That's what 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.960 I want. What I would actually say, because you know something, 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.560 I've been in sessions where they'd be like, okay, da da. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:20.600 I don't want the sessions because someone at the label 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.279 wanted me to go not no offense to the people 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.279 who were there, but that wasn't you know, if I'm 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.120 going to work with someone. That's why I never really 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.719 want made people pay me. I think I think maybe 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.360 probably people paid me a couple of times for a feature, 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.279 but I always like, I'll do a feature they don't 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.360 have to pay me because to me, then m I 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.680 might be in a minority. I feel like there's something 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.600 a little offensive about asking someone to pay me for 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.360 a feature because I feel like, if I'm an artist 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.879 and I appreciate you and you're like appreciating me, let's 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.120 just let's let's create together, let's play together. Let's you know, 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:54.799 And most of the time you pay somebody, it's going 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.880 to that label on this and someone wants fees. But 0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.439 I don't know, I just felt a little weird about that. 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:01.560 You don't want publish it, you just want. 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.360 To publishing, publishing, you get publishing. But I'm talking about 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:07.440 will you do this song with me? I'll pay you 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.040 this money to do the song with you, and then 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.640 if you're going to be in the video, I'll pay 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:13.799 you more money to do the video. And I find 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.720 I feel like if you agree to do the song, 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.120 that inherent in that is the acceptance of doing the video. 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.000 If there is one right, you don't have to pay me. 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:25.240 But something about it feels a little like too transactional 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.120 versus two artists coming together to create some magic. 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:32.080 This out there with the same person real quick. 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.160 Because we mentioned I want to go back to the 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.319 K pop question that Amir asked you. Yeah, curious do 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.759 they understand and accept you also as one of them 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.759 in that way and do they see you as an 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.240 asset because you are a part of them as well? 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:45.080 How does that work? 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.440 When I did collabse you know, back at that time, 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:51.840 they were really like appreciative and my mom was with 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.000 me too. But it was also interesting to see how 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.440 the system works. It works really differently. Like you know, 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:02.640 aretist in the States, they go show up to a thing, perform. 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:07.120 The people that are in the doing the background stuff, 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:09.840 you know, the show that you show up for to perform. 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.319 All that the producers all that they producers of the show, 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.920 they can tend to be more differential to the artists. 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:18.279 Not saying that you want that, but that's just like 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.400 they're just like, Okay, you're here to do the song, 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.719 we appreciate you. We're going to some TV blocking, et cetera. 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:24.960 But they're very differential. It's kind of was the opposite 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.760 way what I was witnessing. Now. For me, it was different. 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.360 They treated me very well with respect the people on 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.800 the TV show. Because I'm also an American. I'm coming 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.920 in so I'm a guest in more ways than one, 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.560 you know, when I visited. But I noticed that for 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.000 the artists who are and maybe it's different now this 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.600 is this is back in you know, I forgot what year, 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.000 but at least ten years plus, right, I noticed that 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.799 the artists were deferential to the TV producers. They were 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.200 the ones doing the the extra bo and the extra 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:59.279 you know, and so that was interesting, you know, that 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.839 was curious to me. But it's because it's the way 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.959 that and the way I figured it was that their 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:12.960 entertainment system, because we created our system entertainment system decades 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.320 and decades and decades and decades we have so much longer. 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.600 There was a change out of the old studio system, 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.359 our old Hollywood studio system, where the actors and stuff 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.359 probably were very differential to the producers back in Marilynroe 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.680 pre Marilynda Lauren McCall days. Right, But it's grown and 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.839 artists have learned their power and it's become a different ecosystem. 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.080 And so I was like, where they are now is 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.719 where Golden Age Hollywood was before. And as it progresses 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.400 around the world, the entertainment system progresses, artists will be 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.360 become more knowledgeable of their power and recognize their power. 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.680 And then those around them who work for them when 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.239 the TV shows, which the bikini producers, will understand that 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.879 the art around the artists, the artist is the sun 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.560 and everything else is revolving around them. Once the artists 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.319 realize that, the system will change. So it's just that 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:02.520 they're just behind. They're just it's like the uh, you know, 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.920 the advance of humanity, right like and any kind of system. 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.000 That's where they are and they're going to be in 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.440 a different place and soon it's going to be totally different. 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.720 It blows my mind because I don't think really people 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.919 understand the concept that like I asked somebody Korean one dance, 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.239 like what was before k pop? 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.160 Like what is the original Korean music? And it doesn't 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.120 you know that. 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.040 Is It's an interesting thing and it's cool, but it 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.920 also there's a certain sadness to it. I was sitting 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.080 in an award show and it was an Asian theme. 0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:35.319 It was like one of the Gallas, and so it's 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:39.400 all celebrating everything Asian and you see the actors and 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.880 the argus, the movies and the films that are being introduced, 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.680 and a lot of it is very Korean, but also 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:51.359 Korean American and Asian American, an Asian American because it 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.440 grew out of just being a Korean American thing to 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.600 an Asian American thing. But once the music section came in, 0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.560 I was like, and this is something I always knew. 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.200 I always I always recognize from again decades ago that 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:05.840 before it was even called K pop, I didn't. I 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:07.319 don't know what it was called. When I was growing up. 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:09.040 It wasn't called K pop though, but you would see 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.520 them emulating the braids and all that. It wasn't called 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.680 K pop, but it was just pop, right, Korean pop 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.640 music popular music. You know, we would watch my dad 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.359 would comment those are black dances. I was like, yeah, 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.399 and I'm you know, I'm eleven, I'm twelve at the time, 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:25.520 and he was like that that was just cream people 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.920 doing black music. And I was like, pretty much, what, 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.399 that's what I'm seeing. But see, the artists were very 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.880 very where they gave credit where credit is due with 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.000 the music. Okay. So so the music that I was seeing, 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.520 I was like, wow, this is so interesting because I'm 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.320 watching all this stuff and I'm you know, Korean as well, 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.399 but once because it comes to the music, this is 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.480 black music. The only thing that's Korean about it really 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.680 is there's a certain politeness, there's certain movements, the cute 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.439 parts and stuff. I was like, you know, but that's 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:56.920 that's also modern. But I was like, this is black music, 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.400 and I was like, interesting, there's almost like this gap 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.919 where there's no Korea because traditional Korean music is more 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.360 like if you my mom will play it sometimes and 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.960 so you just have the drums to do. And I 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.719 wanted to do that too. Actually, I think I'm still 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:12.359 going to do that. I want to do the whole 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:13.839 thing in my mind. I won't say what it is, 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.360 but it's a very it's like a very big do 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.560 v M A type thing. But I wanted to do 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.400 something really cool culturally, right, so the music will be 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:28.680 like dum, that's not I'm not saying any words, but 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:36.440 the no. So that kind of vocalization, that's one of 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.759 the traditional like aspects. But that's like you know what 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.520 people will call like you know, old old old old 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.600 old old old old people made traditional. But see Korean 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:47.360 people have a lot of soul too, so you have 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.920 those like those side drums, those drums that are in 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:54.120 the front and the so you just hear the the 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:57.600 you know that that that vocalization again that I was doing. 0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.440 But I sat there at the gallapy thinking where is 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.640 the bridge from that? And what I remember hearing as 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.960 a kid when my mom will play that sometimes to 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.479 the traditional young like where is because we can say 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.600 this is pop music and R and B and we're 0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:18.280 getting the roots into blues and going way way back. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.759 But there those are bridges. I was like, where is 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:22.880 the bridge? There's no bridge. 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.560 It's crazy Coca cola yep. 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:31.960 From that to a complete cultural import and so I 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.680 was like, man, I don't know. I was like, I mean, 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.279 I'm Korean, but I'm also black, so I view it 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:42.120 like okay, But if I weren't black at all, I'd 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:46.120 probably be thinking like yeah, having our own Like what 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:47.799 is our I want to see? 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.080 I got that I want. 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:55.080 I am black in Korean, but I am black and Korean, 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:56.640 but I still feel like I want to see that. 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.400 Frankly, can we go back on the time machine so 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:00.880 we can act to get to your story? 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:02.960 Right? Oh? 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:03.600 Shoot, like. 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:06.040 We're just talking. 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.719 I know we're just talking, but I gotta I know 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:12.840 you're a military brat, But where do you consider home? 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:14.320 Like where are you born and raised? 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.680 Please say DC, because we claim you I wasn't born 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.799 and raised well, I wasn't born and raised in anyone place, 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:21.920 So to me, I consider myself like a citizen of 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.960 the world, like home is where I am. I will 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:28.640 say this about d C d C is where I 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:34.319 really came into my self as an artist, Like d 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.600 C d C kind of like that's where suddenly I 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.760 knew how to dance. I couldn't really dance really well before. 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.560 I'm not going to say I'm the most dopest dancer 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:44.560 in the world now, but. 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.080 And where did you learn to dance? In the club 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:48.640 in d C or in the. 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.719 Club, Yes, in the club. So d C was really 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.360 important because it is where I like really really grew 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.799 like exponentially as an artist, like where I came into 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.359 my own because of who I met, because of where 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.960 I was going, because of the vibe. I feel like 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.600 DC is really like when I chose to go to 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.000 college in DC, it was because it was close to 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.880 New York and I knew it was culturally rich. It 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.120 was a black city, and you know, I group as 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:16.880 a military brat, so I didn't really get to just 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:19.080 be around a whole lot of black people only it 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.200 was always very mixed, which I loved as well. But 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:23.279 I was like, I really want to like I really 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:24.759 want to be in the city where there's a lot 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.279 of black people, you know what I mean. And then 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:27.719 I got to be close to New York because I 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.040 want to try to get a record, deals like go 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.359 down on the weekend, figure something out, try to get 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.600 some meetings or whatever people do. I'm coming out of Alaska. 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.800 I don't know. It's just like, Hi, I want to see. 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.400 You came from Alaska to DC. 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.279 Because yeah, I went to high school in Alaska, but 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:41.960 only for three and a half years, because before that 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.120 was high school and middle school in Texas. I was 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:50.560 in Anchorage and Anchorage, Alaska, and then I went to 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.439 I know, I cried when I was fine with moving 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.120 around my whole life. When we were going there, I 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.440 was like, wait, there's no people there. It's like a moose. 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:57.840 There's a TV show with a. 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.800 Moose, and you know, exposed. 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.600 It wasn't like that. It wasn't like man. But then 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.719 I went to d C. And I was like, like, 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.600 for that freshman year, I would go to the club 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.880 every Wednesday and then the weekend too, but also on 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.360 Wednesday because they had like the stance hall thing. I 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.440 think it was DC clud Okay, and then it was 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:20.120 Republic Gardens Republic Gardens, and then this was before Dream 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.000 even existed, and they became a club love, right, are you? 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.319 I'm going to raise I went to high school right 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:27.120 across from Howard. 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.400 Yeah, okay, okay, so yeah, you know. 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.239 That's why I really let me tell him my truths 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:36.880 are just about to tell you that when I graduated 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:38.520 from college, I moved to Philly and it became my 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:39.839 home and I loved that place too. 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:41.680 But I'm going to raise I guess. 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:44.080 It's okay. 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:46.160 It's okay, but I have a soft spot in my 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:51.720 heart my death from North Philing. I'm a soft spot. 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:53.160 I have a soft spot for Philly. 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.560 Last DC question I got for you, tell me about 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.600 did you have ever had the go go experience? 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:58.759 Because I mean, I hear it in the music, but 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:00.720 I was curious about it goes. 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:02.960 Out because because I when I would go to the club, 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:04.879 so I would go every weekend. I never went out 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.239 really much, and after that freshman year, I was like, well, 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:09.279 got out my system and I never never really went 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:13.680 out again after that. But during freshman year I was 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:18.120 out of the weekend and then every Wednesday at least 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.880 we would go out and literally I would go to dance. 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.839 I know that sounds like such a I just wanted 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.640 to go out and dance, but I did. I wanted 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.759 to go to dance and have a good time. And 0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:30.759 then it would be like reggae night and this night 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.719 and that and then they have like a go go night. 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:36.880 And again it's instrumentation. Sometimes for me, I would like 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.279 a song before there's any vocals on something, you know 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.920 what I mean, So I could just appreciate that, and 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.680 that's why I say, Like DC, I really kind of 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.800 like got my seasoning and kind of came into myself 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.560 as an artist. I met Rich there and we like 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.520 just created some It was a lot of like kind 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:54.759 of like what are you ringing? Like this is what 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.600 I've got? Okay, what do you have? But I have this? 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.600 Oh that's what I've been looking for. Oh why don't 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:00.520 we do this and combined? And it's very very magical. 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.600 And so I think that's why sometimes people will ask 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.080 like if I'm from DC, and I'm like, I'm not 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.520 from there because I was. I'm the military, but that 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:14.200 is where I really I have my influences. But the seasoning, 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.840 the finishing, the cooking, the bake, it was all happening 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:18.239 in DC. 0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.560 And Amir, that's how I feel about Philadelphia. That is 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:23.640 how I feel about Philly. 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:29.000 Okay, Okay, have commonality. 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.239 Okay, we do have perfect pitch because we're talking about 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.279 like synesthesia and the way your harmonies work. 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:35.160 I guess this is that you. 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.239 Do I have. Okay, Now I'm not always singing in 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:39.200 perfect pitch, but I know when i'm not, when I 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.560 can hear myself. Sometimes you get those performances and you're 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.759 like what they want, but it's because I can't Half 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.480 the time, I can't hear myself. Something always happens, especially 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.600 when you do like one off. If it's a tour 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:52.759 and it's my tour, it's all my people and we 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.760 have it locked in. But when I'm going somewhere, it's 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.400 a new person, a new sound person, and new someone 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.000 else is going on before you and your things were 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.279 touch you can hear yourself, then yes, if you hear 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.440 me sounding bad ever, And I don't say this to 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.200 like Bragg or anything, I might be under the weather. 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.319 I could be under the weather like right now. But 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.920 it's guarantee that I can't hear myself because I'm one 0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:19.400 of those people who can hear anything. If it's not 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.880 absolutely perfect, I can hear it. I'm like, that's a 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.320 little off, that's a little flat, that's a little sharp. 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.600 If there I walk into a room and the table 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:30.680 is slightly crooked, I can see that it's crooked, and 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.399 I have to fix everything. So it's just perfect because 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:34.920 I can hear when anything is off, and I can 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:36.920 see when anything is off. And an engineer told me 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.640 one time, I'm like, why did how could you? How 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.520 could you hear that because I can hear like you 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.840 can lay the vocals back. I mean you engineered, so 0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.120 you probably know what I mean. Like, lay it back, 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.200 not like point one zero, not one point one five, 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.520 lay it back point zero two, lay back point zero one, 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.200 go back point zero one, go back back. That's like 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.719 super super super super super super minimal. A lot of 0:47:56.719 --> 0:48:00.480 people can't tell, but I can tell. That was a 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.920 long way of saying, yes, I can hear perfect pitch. 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.480 I do have a perfect pitch because I know when 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.719 I'm not on it. Ah, Okay, that means I probably 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:11.759 can't hear myself in a moment. 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.360 Yeah, I got been a nerd all your life, a Marie. 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:17.040 I have been a nerd all my life. I've been 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.600 a nerd before i've been anything else. I love it. 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:29.000 I'm sorry listeners, this episode is like Momento on Shuffle, 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:31.440 like we're. 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:32.719 Just going all over the timeline. 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.640 But I mean pretty much, I would assume that you're 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.239 in a rare case where like your first thing out 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:43.160 the box is why don't we fall in love? But wait, 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:46.400 before we get to that, let me at least complete 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:50.080 the story. Please tell us how you met Rich Harrison. 0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.359 So I met Rich Harrison. You know again, I chose 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.440 DC because it's a great school. I wanted to go 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:58.600 to Georgetown. It's like, Okay, I worked, you know, academically, 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.239 I worked hard for this. But it's also close to 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:02.960 New York, so I can work on getting a demo 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:04.560 because I do know what I want to do when 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.359 I finished school. This gives me time to get to 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:13.799 that point. And DC's very rich culturally, so great. When 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:17.640 I'm there, I'm actively trying to make connections, figure things out. Well, 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:19.360 I was in a group for a second. I'm not 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:21.960 a group person. The group never worked out anyway. It's 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.960 just I'm just not a colicky person. We didn't really 0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:27.440 ever have anything, and the names kept changing because we 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:29.879 never actually that. No one ever stayed in the group 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:31.680 long enough for us to actually be a group. So 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.040 what I should say is I was trying to put 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.920 together a group, that's what it is. And people that 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:37.200 I was working with we were trying to put together 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.680 a group, but it never worked and I was like, see, 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.880 this is a sign I'm not a group person. But 0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.200 one of the girls who was not in the group 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.759 was kind of like feeling her out. She also would 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.160 put on fashion shows, and she was from DC, so 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.359 to you know, in the name of like getting to 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:54.160 know each other a little bit more, not just only 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.200 in the studio stuff, I just like tagged along with 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.000 her one night while she was looking for some space 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.600 for her fashion show, and so we went to I 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.759 guess it was DC Live at the time, but Ron 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.239 de Berry was the manager at the time. So I'm 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:10.040 just sitting there literally taking my legs. While I'm sitting there, 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.480 I'm waiting for her to have these conversations about the space. 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:15.360 And then so she's doing her thing looking around, and 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:16.880 then he's just he and I just get to talking 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.320 and I'm like, oh yeah. Then I go to Georgetown 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:21.000 blah blah blah and I sing. He's like, oh great, okay. 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.919 After that, That's kind of it. Every time I would 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:25.520 go to the club on these nights I was telling 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.200 you about, like every Wednesday or whatever it was pus 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.880 the weekends, I would see him and he always remembered 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.720 because he would always say, you're the girl that sings, 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:36.040 Like right, you're the girl that sings. One of these days, 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.600 you know. Much later, he was like, Hey, I have 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.319 a friend who's looking to work with an artist he's 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.920 a producer. I heard lots of things before. One of 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.040 my things of policies was like, I'm never going to 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.640 go out with a guy to see you know what's 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.840 going on. I was never. One thing I was always 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:54.960 very clear on with myself was I know what I 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:56.920 want to do, and I'm not going to sacrifice any 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:58.560 of my integrity to get there. I'm just not going 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:01.200 to do it. That's just not my personality. So if 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:02.799 people were like, oh this, you know, you meet a 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.279 lot of this guy wants to help people want to 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:06.799 help you, they don't. They want to help you so 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:08.799 badly that you never even heard me sing a note, 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.160 So like, what are you trying to do? So I 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.640 was like, okay, He's like he's a producer, da and 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.640 it's coming from him and that guy trying to pick 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.120 me up. So I'm like, okay, Well, he's like, can 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:19.799 I get your number and then you know, maybe put 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:24.440 you guys in touch. Okay, okay, sure, So give him 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:28.520 the number. Later on he calls and Rich and I 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.600 talk on the phone and we agreed to meet up 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.080 so I can hear his music and then he can 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.160 hear some of the lifestyle The people think sometimes do 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.279 we meet and the McDonald's parking, like happened to meet. No, 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.319 that wasn't that. It happened just like what I told you, 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:49.239 the McDonald's parking, Yes, McDonald George, that happened. So it 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.880 was late after school at the nighttime. I chose. I 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:56.080 chose McDonald's because again, I'm not going to someone's house 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:59.040 and they say they're a producer, quote unquote, I don't 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.239 know him from a cannon. So I'm like, let's meet 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.359 at McDonald's. Let's just really see what it is, you know. 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:07.279 So I was in my car then he showed up. 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.960 I'm like, okay, you know again you never really know. 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:15.160 But then we just chatted for a second. He just 0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:17.000 went right into like, okay, so I'm looking to work 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:20.440 with an artist and I brought some music. Great, let's 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.920 let's hear it. And I'm like, okay, he's serious. You 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.080 know what I mean. He's serious. So he's playing me tracks, 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.040 one of which ended up being the song float, but 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:33.480 right now they're all instrumentals. But I heard, like I 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:35.799 heard what I was looking for, what I've been looking for, 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.080 and that was I was missing because what I wanted 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.160 was so specific and what I wanted was I need 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.400 Obviously it's gonna be tracks. I can sing to R 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.680 and B tracks, but I don't want them to just 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:50.120 be R and B tracks. They have to be hip 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:53.759 hop R and B tracks. They have to have a 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:57.080 great balance. They have to be hard, like they have 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.680 to be a rapper would want to, you know, like 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.080 they could do something over it. That's really really hard 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:06.080 to find. Not so much now, but now music sounds 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.080 a little different. But at the time that was really 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:09.360 that was really difficult. 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.839 To finow trust me, Okay, so you know it was. 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:14.600 It wasn't easy. So when he was playing this for me, 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:17.600 I was like, yes, and there was something special in 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:21.319 his his production and the percussion. It was just so 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.160 much of it. I was like, I felt like that 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.000 was like what I'd been looking for, what I was missing, 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:28.200 Like it was like the missing instrument. Because again I 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:32.200 didn't look at my voice as being like I did 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:36.360 love to sing to the thing, but I didn't. It 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.319 sounds funny, but I didn't love to sing that much. 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.640 I love to create music and to create sound. So 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.239 that's why I would get asked to do so many 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.960 like national anthems, birthday songs, and I was like, I 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:50.920 don't like to sing national anthems. I don't like to 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:52.480 think so, because then you're just singing because you want 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:53.960 to sing it. I don't. Actually, I'm not that interested 0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.680 in just singing. Actually it sounds weird, but that's why 0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:01.319 Rich understood what I met. He was like, so, what 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.319 are you into? And I was like, I didn't have 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:06.920 my songs that i'd like sang on because for some reason, 0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.040 also so I note, whenever I would get in this 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:10.480 group with someone, I ended up tending to be like 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:15.400 a duet. Somehow, I never had any vocal so I'm like, 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:20.880 I guess I'm the mastermind. But also not on any records. 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.480 So I was like, I would, I would, I would 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.080 my vocals because I was working with other people too, 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.759 and for some reason, I could never get any parts. 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.839 Can I Can I get a vocal? Can I get 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:32.640 a no? No? 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:33.000 No no no? 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:36.560 In the back? Okay? I got some. I got some 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:44.560 of that. Oh that was kind of it. So there 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:47.480 was no use in playing him that, and so I 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.759 was like just singing him things that I'd written and 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.600 just songs that I love, like because he I think 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.839 he asked me, like, who what artists I really liked. 0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.520 And then I'm sure I mentioned Mary, so I probably 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.879 sang Mary, probably saying some lev probably, but I think 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.319 when he was hearing me seeing Mary and I was 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.080 like that she is one of my biggest influences, he 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:12.240 was like, okay, because that's what he was looking for. 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.319 But he was looking go to marry. 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:21.200 So I think you might have been oh no, I 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:22.480 just wanted to make it wrong. 0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:25.960 Yeah. 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:33.359 Yeah, so that's probably one of them. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:35.000 and it's on your mom and you see that. Could 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:41.440 I can be able to stop baby admitted my mar 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:47.920 your okay, well you're gonna beginning. We're beginning more of 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:53.879 that because I I if I were not me, if 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:59.200 I were not myself, I would probably and someone was like, well, 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.880 if you're not, well, I guess that is me. I 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.400 was like saying, I would be like a mix of Mary, 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.080 Marvin Gay, and Michael Jackson. But I think that actually 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:12.040 is me because they are state are so pivotal to 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:17.319 me as an artist, that and Prince. But yeah, so 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:19.200 I sang him back and he heard what he was 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:22.600 looking for because he love love, love, love, love love 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.400 love Mary J Blige. I think that was like one 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.120 of his favorite artists, like he loved love her and 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:29.400 he actually had just worked with her before too, but 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.120 he didn't know who he was, but he was still 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.280 like a huge fan. And so what he was looking 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.759 for was someone who could have that like grit that 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.960 he wanted, and that that R and B hip hop 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.279 that could lend itself to that voice could lend itself 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:47.160 to that. But then also, you know, why why did 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:50.400 I even tell you line like something false? You know 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.520 what I mean? Something soft too, And so he was 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.080 looking for something very specific. So when we met, it 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:59.359 was literally like we were the missing puzzle pieces like artistically, 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:02.319 and we could play in the false like even I 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:06.120 Just Died. I Just Died was a song that wasn't 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:10.440 even supposed to be a song of false. When were there, 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.840 Sarah Sarah, Yeah, I was like, Rich, that song is 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:15.440 too low. I remember saying that. He was like, well, 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:17.440 what do you mean? Because he would sing some of 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:19.800 the songs right, and I was like, listen to where 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:24.280 the track is. It's like staring at Amerror's e started 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:26.919 to carefully called it. I was like, I can't even 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:28.800 I can get there like this, but it begin get 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:32.120 anywhere else, and I was like, all right, well, standing 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.440 in ameera and I was like, I don't know, can 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:36.400 I get all of that? And then I was like, 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:39.880 oh yeah, I can in my false then staring, and 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:44.400 then then when the song even gets higher. So we 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.960 had so much room to play with, and I was like, 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:52.200 I've been looking for this. It was literally like the 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.560 perfect thing. We had this. I said, this track, this 0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.000 track right there that was gonna be float. I don't 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:01.360 don't give it, don't give it away, it's ours. So 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:03.840 we already knew from the meeting and sitting in that 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:07.320 car that we had something. And we met right after 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.280 that like a next week, and we started laying out. 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:13.800 We started doing the demo right then and there those songs, 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.960 some of those songs ended up being on the demo, 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.919 and then actually some of those songs ended up being 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.480 on the album, which we recorded sitting on the back 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.720 of the sofa with the washing machine over there, and 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:26.600 those ended up being the vocals because when we tried 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:28.800 to go to the quote unquote real studio to do 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.320 it for real this time, we had already done it 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:36.840 and created the magic. So it wasn't the same, but 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.120 it wasn't the same, like those vocals weren't the same. 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:41.880 They really weren't the same. It wasn't it wasn't. It 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:42.640 just wasn't the same. 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:44.240 Okay, do you ever have did you have? 0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.200 That's what I needed to see. I'm gonna be surprised 0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:47.000 if you didn't have that. 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:53.680 I don't just fun and needed the same Maha, Yeah, okay, 0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:55.880 that's that's one that That was one of the first 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.200 ones we did and we loved, and I think that 0:58:58.240 --> 0:58:59.040 might have been the first. 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.040 One we did, and and some of it it reminded 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.400 me of a Leah actually a little bit, and I 0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:06.880 was like, wow, we really have something. But we were 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:08.400 like at the same time, but this is not it, 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.000 this is not it. We're getting there. But we got 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:14.400 there like that next week, I mean song of the 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:15.919 song of the song of the song of the song, 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:19.800 because we understood like when I would say that that 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:23.960 vocal was like, that's a trump I'm gonna sing it 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:26.439 like a trumpet. I'm not gonna sing it, I'm gonna 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.240 do it. It's a trumpet like, and he was like, yeah, 0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:32.360 that's that's this or this is like a string. So 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.600 I will do a vocal certain way. And so we 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.800 just understood. We had the same language because we're looking 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:41.360 for the same thing. 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:43.240 Like what time is this period? 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:46.600 And then how do you guys wind up at the 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:47.920 offices of Columbia. 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.600 Ah, four months, maybe maybe four or five months. 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:54.520 So this is happening like lightning. 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:58.440 This is happening lightning. Speed, we meet, we start recording. 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:04.280 He already had connect seat Jeff Burrows and Darryl Williams. 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.000 There were Darrel Williams Jeff Brows were working together. Jeff 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:10.320 Burrows had worked at a bad Boy and he was 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:13.280 at Columbia, so he had a situation there Rise Entertainment 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:16.240 and they were already watching Rich for a few years, 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.640 at least a couple of years, and so they were 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.640 always just kind of like send some stuff along, you know, dad. 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.600 But Rich had found an artist he wanted to like 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.320 walk in with like that, so he did have someone 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.760 who was ready in the wings when it was time. 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:31.320 So once we created a demo, that's when he let 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:33.000 them know. And then it was like so things were 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:36.280 kind of there in place. When you have something, let 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:39.520 us know that kind of thing. So once we had it, 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:41.360 we did have an end. 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:43.760 You told me, but like, this is what your dream 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:46.400 was like, even though you're going to college you want 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:49.560 to be a singer. How supportive is your family to 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:56.320 the idea of you not doing academia and getting into 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:58.480 the music industry as we. 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:03.280 Didn't even Oh right, who were you supposed to be 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:04.600 doing English major? 1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:06.160 Okay, so I was. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.880 I was an English major because I always loved books. 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:10.600 But that's why it's naturally for some people. They're like, oh, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:12.080 you wanted to books? Are you pivoted? I was like, oh, no, 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.120 I've always been. I've been writing books since I started 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:16.080 journing when I was seven, and I've been writing books 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:18.600 since I was that age, stapling little books, trying to 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:21.120 making little newsletters. So that that's just me. 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:24.480 Anyway, all your book reports looking perfect for school? 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:26.880 Oh, I was the Oh, I know, we have this 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.480 history assignment where we have to write these essays. Can 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:32.280 I write like a short like story. 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:34.400 Your extra credits? 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:38.600 Murph? I don't want to write an essay. 1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:43.040 I want to Yeah, she didn't need the extra credit. 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:44.160 She's one to do. 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:48.720 Yeah, I didn't need it. But you know, it's all 1:01:48.760 --> 1:01:50.080 always right now. I was like, let me just write 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.520 this civil war civil war saga where the girl has 1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:54.720 two fat two members of or family fighting on opposite 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:58.600 side instead of so it was it was actually kind 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:02.200 of good actually looking for it for years. But so 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:04.200 I was that was normal for me. But I wanted 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:06.720 to sing and I want my last year of high school, 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:08.000 I was like, you know, I think I want to 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.120 go for this professional I think I want to do this, 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.880 and that was another reason for choosing Georgetown. Right, So 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.160 I'm there and then while I'm you know, we have 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.360 a couple of slight bites maybe kind of sort of meetings. 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:22.440 Doors might be opening, and so sophomore year, I was like, mommy, daddy, 1:02:23.120 --> 1:02:26.360 if it looks like maybe a deal could be coming. 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:29.600 If I can get a deal, what do you think 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:33.640 about me pausing university just to like pursue it. See 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:37.440 my mom was like no, no, no. My dad was like, well, 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:39.680 I don't know, those kind of opportunities don't always come. 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:42.720 And I could see that both their opinions. But you know, 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:44.440 I was like, okay, I had to think it over. 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:46.480 But it didn't matter because I didn't even get the 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:52.000 opportunity anyway until my senior year. Because Rich and I, 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:54.840 I think we ron and I talked in December sometime 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:57.840 or maybe it was January, Rich and I spoke, we did, 1:02:57.960 --> 1:03:00.680 we met up and started doing the demo in February, 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:04.600 which is my last semester of senior year. And so 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:08.960 thank god, it just kind of happened. I didn't have 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:12.240 to try to make the choice, which which honestly, I 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:15.840 think in retrospect it's not a good idea to leave 1:03:15.880 --> 1:03:18.480 school to do that. Like some people will be like, oh, 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.680 take this chance. I'm a believer. If you all you'll 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:24.360 do is one everything happens if it's supposed to happen. 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:26.439 So it's supposed to happen for you. You know, alah, wah 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:28.760 will it. It'll happen, don't you worry about it. But 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:31.840 also you will become a better artist anyway, even always hone. 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:34.280 You can always become better. But you already put in 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:37.360 all this work. I mean literally, when you graduate from college, 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:39.919 you're still like twenty one, like you know it felt 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:41.640 old at the time, but you're twenty one, like you 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:44.200 All you can do is just get better, grow as 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:47.439 an artist, improve on your craft, get that under your belt. 1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:49.920 So you have that. And but at the time when 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:52.080 I I didn't even have I don't know, I was 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.360 like career fest resume. I don't even know what. I 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:56.560 didn't do any of that. I was like, because this 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:59.960 is gonna work, about to graduate in like four months. 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:02.440 I don't know what's going to happen. But somehow I 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:04.240 just knew. I mean I just had a feeling. I 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:06.760 was like, it's going to happen, so I have to 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:09.760 make that decision. But they were very supportive. All my 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:14.520 mom was disappointed. I think she cried. Actually no, because 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:17.040 she wanted me to be a professor or a lawyer. 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:19.560 Got to live your dreams, not your parents' dreams. 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.400 Yeah, and Angela, who wanted to be an ice cream lady, 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:24.240 turned out to be a lawyer. So that's that's good. 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:25.680 Wait, that's what wanted to be. 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:27.480 Yeah, she wanted to be ice cream lady. I mean 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:29.600 that last time we asked her was when she was 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:33.040 like eight. But that was the last answer she gave us, 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:33.880 the ice cream lady. 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:34.720 Okay. 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:37.960 See in my mind, you like said, Okay, I'm gonna 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:40.920 be a big star and you're going to be my lawyer. 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:46.640 No, Angela was gonna she wanted to be a lawyer. 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:48.880 You know, we had the conversations because there was a 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:50.520 hot second where she was going to be maybe be 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:55.120 my stylist, and my parents were like anybody stylist. Angela 1:04:55.120 --> 1:04:56.400 has her own path, and she's going to do her 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:59.120 own path and it comes back around then she can 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:01.240 do that. But the any times she's gonna do her 1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:03.720 own thing, which is good because then I would have 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:05.000 been like feeling too much pressure. 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.960 I know your sister's tired of me because I will 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:11.760 always run up to her and reintroduce myself. 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:18.560 She'd be like, it's Angela, a Marie's sister. Oh okay, sorry. 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:22.680 It happened even at the Grammy's last Like I'm always 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:24.919 meeting your sister and everyone else for the first time. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:26.760 See see Bill, You're not alone. 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:29.480 It's a funny, little not so secret secret. But that 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:31.400 happens to me as well for a lot of people 1:05:31.440 --> 1:05:33.520 that I know. It actually just happened to me the 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:36.760 other day when I was at a party someone that 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.320 I'm supposed to know pretty well, not pretty well, but 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:43.760 we are passed across enough times where she's like hey, hey, 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:46.840 and I'm like ah, and then I was like, no, 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:48.960 I do know him from somewhere. It's like, yeah, you 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.439 saw him two weeks ago. Remember that happened last time. 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:53.480 You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, it 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:55.160 didn't click. Because we're in a different environment. 1:05:55.800 --> 1:06:00.240 I'm going to ask you the most loaded broad questionquestion 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:01.120 of all time. 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:04.240 Oh gosh, you're preface. 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:08.920 No, it's just I'm gonna let you because you answer 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:11.760 and paragraphs. I decide not to just go bit by bit. 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:14.200 He's met his match a Moory. 1:06:14.320 --> 1:06:14.480 Yeah. 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:16.520 Right, this feels like the battle of two worlds, like 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:20.439 the same same person. Honestly, like talking to two versions 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:20.680 of Save. 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.200 We would have been vff is in a whole another lifetime. 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:26.600 We're literally the same person. It's like talking to a mirror. Right, 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:27.439 which your. 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:33.040 Sign Cocorn sun sign a Quarius rising and Pisces moon. 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:37.040 Wait damn wait wait where were you born? 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:37.280 Girl? 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:37.680 Yeah? 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:44.280 In January twelve. January twentieth twelve, you're January twentieth. 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:44.840 Both of us are. 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:47.520 So you're Capricorn too. 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:52.040 Well, no, no, the other side for you, I'll say, 1:06:52.040 --> 1:06:53.680 I'm capable. 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:55.040 Straight. 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.120 Okay, your birthday is close as well. You're you're, you're 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:00.880 we're the same day. 1:07:01.040 --> 1:07:05.040 We're both January twenty Oh wow, okay, but she was 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:06.800 born twenty years after me. 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.920 Oh no, anywhere. 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:14.960 All look very very young, eh this Saturday morning cartoon 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:15.400 step on. 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:20.400 Anyway, So as broad as I can ask this question 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:24.680 a Marie, and this is what we all want to know. Okay, 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:31.480 can you give us your assessment of your experience recording 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:33.920 for Columbia Records? 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:39.120 Oh godding No, I didn't Brown, I don't say that. No, 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:42.320 I'm just thinking I never felt like I was recording 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:50.080 for them, because I came in, and I say, we 1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:54.480 we came in because me and Rich with our own 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:56.360 music and our own sound, and they really did just 1:07:56.440 --> 1:08:00.480 leave us alone. They really did just leave us alone. Now, 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:06.080 later they did try to play around with some things. 1:08:06.160 --> 1:08:09.680 I remember getting some different versions of hooks of one thing, 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:14.200 and I was like what I was now, okay, they. 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:15.680 Were trying to augment it or something. 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:18.200 Oh no, it was like that hook is too linear 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:22.439 quote unquote. I was like, I don't really know how 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:24.280 to process that. I'm just feeling it out and it 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:27.120 feels right to me. It feels good. But okay. So 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.880 then there was this other worthy hook. I just wanted 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:30.160 to them. 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:35.679 The hook. 1:08:36.240 --> 1:08:38.080 Oh no, they had someone to sing it and everything. 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:42.040 Then I was doubly offended. One thing I do get 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:45.439 I can get offended when people try to change the 1:08:45.520 --> 1:08:51.960 thing unless it's solicited. But you know, sometimes the labels 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:56.680 so jump in with unsolicited thought, how about this? Yeah, 1:08:56.760 --> 1:08:59.800 And I didn't like that, but generally they did just 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:02.320 leave me alone with it, you know what I mean? 1:09:02.479 --> 1:09:05.200 Or maybe I just kind of just didn't really care 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:09.360 because I just felt like I came in to do 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:11.360 my own thing anyway. Like I was like, at my funeral, 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:14.320 they're going to play Frank Sinatter's my way, That's what's 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:16.160 going to be playing. I mean probably not really just 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:18.960 little a little bit somber and weird to play at 1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:19.479 a funeral. 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:23.040 Good question, I like that. What what song is going 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:25.800 to play at my funeral? Guess what? 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:30.240 And I've e'ched just in Stone with my lawyers. I'm 1:09:30.240 --> 1:09:31.439 not having a funeral. 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:32.400 Okay. 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:38.960 However, my plan is I will organize a bunch of dinners. 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:41.719 We'll just cut to the chase, We'll go to the repast. 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:44.320 I will organize a bunch of dinners. 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:45.360 Like your birthdays. 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:48.120 Oh yeah, I organized. 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:49.600 A bunch of dinners for all my loved ones to 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:52.760 just sit and have a meal. And that's remembering a 1:09:52.800 --> 1:09:55.680 mirror we're not. I'm sorry I've been to especially in 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:59.320 the last three years post COVID. I'm done with funerals. 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:02.120 Like I'm done Eye on the Sparrow. I'm done with 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:03.920 Eye on the Sparrow. I'm done with that. 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:07.040 Nothing mere. I no song we could play, not really. 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:10.439 I mean, I would force y'all to play the most 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:11.519 goofy song on earth. 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:13.920 You know, it would be still, it'd be a theme 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:15.000 song never mind. 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:20.120 Yeah, exactly, like you know, the Elmo Elmo's World something. 1:10:20.200 --> 1:10:25.360 Oh yeah, I'm so unseerious about that. So when I'm 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:30.719 asking you your experience at Colombian Sony, was it hard 1:10:30.880 --> 1:10:32.760 just finding your space in your lane. 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:37.080 Where you can just you know, Okay? Well, one, it's 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:38.920 funny that you say that about the R and B part, 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:43.040 because when I was creating, actually I listened to some 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:45.320 R and B and that I was really looking to music. 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.519 And before that, Yeah, but I had gone through a 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.720 long period I actually didn't really like R and B, 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:56.640 listen to it only but even when I was in college. 1:10:57.520 --> 1:10:59.200 When I was in college and a little bit after that, 1:10:59.320 --> 1:11:02.559 I only listened to hip hop, no R and B 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:06.800 or what I called boring R and B and that's 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:09.640 what I call it. It's boring. And so that's what 1:11:09.680 --> 1:11:11.960 I liked to about Rich too, because and there were 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:13.880 great R and B rs, I'm sure, but it's just 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:17.080 there was just just in general, like for me, the genre, 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:21.280 it's boring and it's boring to me. So that's why 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:24.400 I need that hip hop element in there, because for myself, 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:25.920 you know what I mean. So I just didn't listen 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:28.320 to any of it and then and then I fell 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:31.000 back in love with it again, but I always needed, 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:34.160 like my favorite era of R and B was hip 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:35.960 hop and r Andy got married, So that's why we 1:11:36.479 --> 1:11:39.160 align on that. As far as like what was tough 1:11:39.160 --> 1:11:43.080 about Columbia, See, this is a thing like artistically, they 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:47.200 really did leave me alone. Like I said, what was tough, Well, 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:48.760 you had a lot of artists there who were like 1:11:48.840 --> 1:11:52.240 really big before I got there, So it wasn't hard 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:55.200 to get traction or the building behind you in the 1:11:55.240 --> 1:12:00.320 sense that like a creative vibe. It's just there's a 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:03.640 marketing department and their job is to do that, and 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:05.880 this is their publicity department, and their job is to 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:08.320 do this. And I can tell that as much as 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:11.519 their kind and you know their kind and all of that, 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:16.360 but their priority is not me. I am not their priority. 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:18.920 I can tell it that that. This is just there's 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:19.640 no priority. 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:22.759 But then there saw a thing where it's like everybody 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:23.280 can be on. 1:12:23.280 --> 1:12:26.400 Top, like I mean, honestly, you should be able to. 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:29.440 Do that, but when it should. 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:34.240 Be able to do that, That's that's what smaller labels understood. 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:38.360 Smaller labels led by you know, black producers who had 1:12:38.439 --> 1:12:42.960 have an artist. Everyone was hottowntown and even with get 1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:46.040 Young money. For a while, it was like we have this, this, this, this, 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:48.720 and the more successful we are, the more successful we 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:51.160 all are, and we spread it and that's how it 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:54.320 should be. But that's not actually, you know, it's more corporate. 1:12:54.400 --> 1:12:56.880 It's tony, so it's a much a more, much more 1:12:56.920 --> 1:13:00.479 corporate culture, and a corporate way of thinking is not 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:02.000 like a crew with a figure or like. And they 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:03.360 would try to do that like they try to do 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:05.040 so many urban music dollans different things, but it was 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:07.720 still very top down, you know, so they just they 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:09.760 didn't get that. And then what I then there was 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:13.400 a little I think a little bit of tension as well, 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:16.680 because are some inner things that were happening with the 1:13:16.680 --> 1:13:18.800 people who I don't want to say too specifically because 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:20.400 it's not my story to tell, but the people that 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:22.400 I was working with, various people that I was working with, 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:26.040 and the tensions between them and amongst themselves and the 1:13:26.120 --> 1:13:28.320 label and all the stuff that didn't have to do 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:32.280 with me, but specifically with them, and so that kind 1:13:32.280 --> 1:13:35.080 of made it pretty difficult, I think as far as 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:36.880 like because it was going all the way to the top, 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:40.400 so it's very difficult to kind of get things to 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:45.519 move because of that. Then on top of that, I 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:49.160 was never in those conversations, but I definitely got wind 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:54.000 of people trying to maybe like take a song, take 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:56.559 my song and stuff, but I was like, well, you 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.439 can't do that because I also co wrote the song, 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:01.040 so you literally legal you don't have to deal with that, 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:08.400 which I'm sure they found frustrating. So the thing with oh, 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:10.600 I don't think I actually told you this part, or 1:14:10.600 --> 1:14:12.640 maybe I did. No, we didn't talk about this, So 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:15.840 we didn't talk. One thing actually only came out we 1:14:15.880 --> 1:14:16.479 did talk. 1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:20.200 I hadn't know that, but I'm building the drama here. 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:25.600 We never talked about this thought. 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:26.840 Did she freeze? 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:29.080 That's what you get for put in so much drama 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:29.599 of the world. 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:32.559 Did you freeze? I'm freeze, amany please? 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:34.680 I sort of kind of thought she was praying that 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:36.639 last one freeze. 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:37.320 Come on. 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:39.920 That's lining he liked this thing over. 1:14:42.479 --> 1:14:43.280 Ladies and gentlemen. 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:49.280 We don't necessarily want to gaslight you, uh visually. So 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:53.679 what had happened was about well five weeks ago, back 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:58.760 in June, oh, two months ago, eight weeks ago, we 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.519 had a Wi Fi discreption and see and then it 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:04.240 became the most hilarious game of kick the can down 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.880 the road and we'll do the episode tomorrow. All right, 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:09.240 Well next week's cool. Ah damn, I'm out of town. 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:11.760 The week after, well damn, I'm going on tour after that. 1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:17.080 So now here we are some two months later, janky 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:17.639 as possible. 1:15:17.680 --> 1:15:19.760 We're not even going to try to This is. 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:21.479 Good a mirror because you know what, you know why 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:23.559 I'm excited while we're two months later, because I can 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:25.640 talk to y'all about the picnic. I could talk to 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:27.960 y'all about a Marie performing with the Go Go Bank 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:31.200 like I. So I'm excited. So I'm no shade. But 1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:33.120 things happened the way they should. 1:15:33.479 --> 1:15:37.960 We did weird enough stop at the entry point we did. 1:15:38.120 --> 1:15:41.040 It's crazy that we spent an hour forty minutes in 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:47.800 social foreplay. I'm talking about life and our philosophies, and 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:51.719 we started recording Career one hour. 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:53.440 Forty minutes into the conversation. 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:56.599 All right, so, and I'm glad we have this time 1:15:56.640 --> 1:15:58.800 because then there's a lot of milks and crannies that. 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:01.799 We did and pick up for starters. 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:06.080 Fall in Love is one of the shortest sing I 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:08.880 almost consider it an interlude more than I consider it 1:16:08.960 --> 1:16:09.920 a full flit song. 1:16:11.200 --> 1:16:12.280 Was that truly the goal? 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:14.160 Like it was technically an intro. 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:17.640 Technically it wasn't made to be the intro, but we 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:21.200 were like, this where the sequencing goes, this is the intro, 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:23.080 and it is the intro to the album. It's the 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:26.639 intro to me. I felt like that was a perfect 1:16:26.640 --> 1:16:29.040 song to introduce me. I was like, if I could 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:31.840 encapsulate who I am as an artist right now, I 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:34.800 feel like this is probably the best introduction that I 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:37.400 have right now, and I felt. 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:40.080 Like it works perfectly. So it was an intro and 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:41.400 it wasn't going to be the first single. 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:44.160 Talking to Me was the first single technically that the 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:46.360 record label had chosen, and then I. 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:48.720 Was fine with that. It was a little slow for me, 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:50.320 to be honestly, to be the first single. 1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:52.200 I was like, I don't know, it's a little slow 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.840 to be the first single, and maybe something a little 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.720 bit more aggressive is what I wanted. But I was like, 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:00.960 you know, I don't know, so that's fine. We shout 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:01.960 the video and everything. 1:17:02.200 --> 1:17:02.599 First thing. 1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:05.240 I was like, wow, this is something that we were 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:10.400 rhyme too. And you know there's been Marx and history 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:17.360 to where none EMCs were picking music that was almost 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:20.040 MC ready, Like I remember rhyme. 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:22.120 Talking to me, That's what I was thinking to talking 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:24.759 to me. 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:30.200 I remember, I mean the day, the day that Mary's 1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:31.600 My Life came out. 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:33.839 Matter of fact, didn't you give us that cassette? 1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:38.800 I remember you being in the we were like doing 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:41.439 DC heavy, like we were in the DMV doing Howard 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:44.920 and our usual promo thing. You were in the van 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:49.240 with us, and I remember, like we just got in 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:52.240 a promo of Mary's My Life. 1:17:52.520 --> 1:17:54.920 And suddenly. 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:58.640 I had the same issues with the music as my 1:17:58.720 --> 1:18:01.800 parents had with hip hop, because it was like, wait 1:18:01.800 --> 1:18:04.200 a minute, why she's singing. 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:07.960 Over a loop? What like this is just for rappers 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:08.719 and rappers only. 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:12.160 Like when My Life came on, I was crying foul, like, no, 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:15.960 can't take Roy Air song and just I don't remember 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:18.400 the lyrics on top of it, and she can't sing 1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:20.280 over like she just singing. 1:18:20.040 --> 1:18:23.280 Over him hop beats. I remember that was a big complaint. 1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:26.160 Right, And then one someone said, well, oh so it's 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:28.559 cool for brand newbie and a rhyme over it, but 1:18:28.680 --> 1:18:30.280 it's not cool for Mary to do it. And I 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:32.559 was like, yeah, but R and B people are supposed 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:33.880 to create the music that we want to. 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:36.800 Take, but they can't. Wow, what the line in front 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:37.200 of us? 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:42.559 That's how I was thinking in ninety four, and even 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:46.160 though like since that point people have done it. When 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:49.439 fall in Love came out, that was like, Wow, finally 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:54.880 there's a producer that musicallyague kind of things like I do. 1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:59.559 Like I felt that that was the closest to. 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:03.960 A non commercial, Like it just sounded too real to me, 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:05.160 and I was just like, whoa, who's this? 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.840 And samples and fall in Love? Right, I'm trying to 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.800 think there is what's the sample on the phone? 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:14.560 Oh wait, I'm thinking about the Love remix, which is crazy. 1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:19.040 Gene carn what gene corn? Yeah, man startist stripping? 1:19:19.680 --> 1:19:22.559 Well, what's the sample in the fall love? Remax? 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:23.960 No, no, no, no. 1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:26.280 We always felt like that should have gotten. 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:31.519 The beginning of a song is the beginning of something, 1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.120 huh that international? 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:36.920 Oh me or shame? 1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:43.240 I know, I feel my city, I feel my city. 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:45.000 I'm sorry I felt yeah. 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:49.320 But for me, At no point did anyone at the 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:51.759 label say, yo, make this joint into a full fledged 1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:53.680 song if we're going to shoot a video to it, or. 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:56.200 Some people did ask like, oh, it's kind of short, 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:57.040 you want to make it longer. 1:19:57.040 --> 1:19:58.200 But I think we agreed. 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:01.840 Everyone pretty much agreed from job that better to have 1:20:01.920 --> 1:20:03.439 people want to repeat it than have it. 1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:04.280 Go on too long. 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:06.400 See you're ahead of the time. 1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:11.400 See now we live in that age where most songs 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:12.599 are under two minutes. 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.559 You know, really, are they not sure? 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:20.280 There's there's an artist now whose complete album, like the 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:24.080 average song is like under two minutes and fifteen seconds. 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:25.599 Like that's wow. 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:29.200 Socially and politically, not only are we emulating the fifties, 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:36.000 but even creatively, you know, which tells me that, Okay, 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:40.960 the rebirth of the album era might come back. Maybe 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:43.080 in the twenty thirty. 1:20:43.200 --> 1:20:45.520 Yeah, yeah, I agree. 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:48.600 You know what, that's a good point because you know, 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:52.839 we always want whatever's going on now than the pendulum swings, 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.160 and it's you know, I think you mentioned the fifties, 1:20:55.240 --> 1:20:58.559 and then I think about even like just throughout human history, 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:01.639 like thousands of years, we have a way of thinking 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:03.840 that whatever is happening now is the first time that 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:06.160 this has happened, or that we're on a progression, like. 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:09.400 The end of it, right, the end of it right. 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:13.439 But where's everything's just cyclical, like there's nothing that's they 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:14.760 say there's nothing new under the sun, or I think 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:17.880 that's actually in the Bible. But everything that's happened has 1:21:17.960 --> 1:21:20.519 already happened. Whether people are thinking like this is a 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:24.200 super progressive idea. It's like throughout human history there have 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:26.120 been times where things have been way over here and 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:27.200 way over there. 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:31.360 We just repeat because we're still the same beans. 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:32.360 They knew its technology. 1:21:32.360 --> 1:21:34.479 It feels like the one that's new is technology. 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:36.719 I wonder what kind of sounds like if someone's playing 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:38.640 like an ood or whatever, like back in the day 1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:40.479 and they're like, oh, this is kind of I like 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:43.400 that beats and then things are all slow. 1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:45.000 Again, I don't know. 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:47.800 No, you're right, I mean, because look, when the Summer 1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:50.639 of Life happened with Woodstock, you would have thought, oh, 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:53.880 this is a rival something new. No, Woodstock was the 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:58.080 end of that period, civil rights period, the summer of Love. 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:00.760 When satur nighte Fever came came out, you would have 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:03.920 thought that was the arrival of the disco era in 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:04.920 nineteen seventy seven. 1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:06.960 Here it is Nope, the. 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:12.200 Backlash happened immediately, and sad to say, when Thriller happened, 1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:16.559 you would have thought, hey, this is this is the 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:17.920 arrival of Michael Jackson. 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:22.639 Where now we could sort of kind of say Thriller was. 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:29.679 The ending of Michael, the undoing of Michael Jackson. 1:22:31.800 --> 1:22:34.320 Michael Jackson, you know, custin dude. 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:36.280 And he's my idol. This is no, it's not shade 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:36.639 or whatever. 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:38.639 But if he make me scared about where bad comes 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:41.000 into conversation, but that's just yea well, because. 1:22:40.760 --> 1:22:42.840 The thing, see, the thing that at least he was 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:47.639 genius about was that in his mind, like I've always 1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:53.120 been historically afraid of kids are so damn honest, like 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:55.599 they don't know how to be cynical or they don't 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.840 know how to be They don't know how to bullshit you. 1:22:59.680 --> 1:23:00.960 So if a. 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:05.160 Kid immediately likes the song, then that song's forever, no 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:05.519 matter what. 1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:06.880 And George Clinton said the same thing. 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:12.920 But I think where Michael sort of discounted was Thriller 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:15.240 had nothing to do with the music or the talent 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:16.439 or any of those things. 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:17.839 Thriller had with timing. 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:22.559 MTV was a year old, and I mean, just like 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:27.400 Drake took advantage of viralness and Instagram, and you know, 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:30.840 like Michael took advantage of MTV. Thus that is why 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:33.360 he sold one hundred million units, because he was he 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:37.120 was the one that mastered the ideal viralness. But also, 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:43.120 unfortunately Thriller, what's most talked about is never the quality, 1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:45.840 it's always the quantity. How many awards did it win, 1:23:45.920 --> 1:23:48.800 how much money did he make, how many units did 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:55.000 he sell? And thus that caused a flooding that never stopped, 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:58.160 which is why money became more important to us. How 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:00.880 much we sold, you ain't ship because units sell. This 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:04.040 units like Thriller was one of the greatest moments. But 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:08.760 I also see Thriller as a burden that no one has, 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:13.400 including Michael, has been able to cross. So I considered 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:16.800 thriller at best, I can say thriller is a penultimate 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:23.080 to the ending of Michael Jackson as opposed to the arrival. 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.599 But that's with everything with Obama. We were all happy 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.960 days are here again. Nope, I feel like Obama's Eero 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:32.760 was the last time that we had the wool over 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:35.320 our eyes, like, yep, nothing to see here, Everything's okay 1:24:35.880 --> 1:24:39.720 until and once the unarmed shootings happened and everything, So 1:24:39.880 --> 1:24:42.040 I feel like now and. 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:44.680 Siclicoles, it sounds like you always feel like the pinnacle 1:24:44.960 --> 1:24:46.240 is the beginning of the end. 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:48.440 But you know what, that is the climax. 1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:51.920 In any story or in a movie story, right, the 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:54.519 climax actually is the end. After that, you just have 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:57.400 the dinner mart, you just have you have the everything's 1:24:57.439 --> 1:25:00.320 cooling down after that. But the climax is at the 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:03.639 end of the story or near the end of the story, 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:05.280 and after that you do just have a denim wall 1:25:05.520 --> 1:25:07.599 into the and then the beginning of the next. 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:12.720 Story, which which is why I feel with no hesitation 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:16.760 of doubt whatsoever, no matter how much they trying to 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:17.640 move the gold. 1:25:17.400 --> 1:25:18.880 Post or whatever politically. 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:23.639 This is why I feel the Harris Wats administration will 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:25.400 truly be the beginning. 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:29.160 That we're on a different page. But we're not going 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:30.280 to talk about politic. 1:25:32.240 --> 1:25:37.000 Mead, we ain't gonna talk about politics. 1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:39.360 We ain't gonna talk about that to you either. 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:44.560 Oh I'm intrigued, though, Amory on some other platform, I 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:45.040 would love. 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:51.640 Long, But I know it's good. I know a. 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:54.960 Whole bunch of could have should have would as a 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:57.080 whole bunch I could have should have would put it 1:25:57.080 --> 1:26:01.000 this way, Yes, unless you are standing for a against genocide, 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:02.720 I just can't. 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:03.720 I'm just I'm just not. 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:06.680 And I've heard people throw out the H for the 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:10.360 H name towards all these other candidates, one in particular. 1:26:10.680 --> 1:26:13.400 But I'm like, all right, but did he help kill 1:26:13.439 --> 1:26:15.720 two hundred thousand people? I'm just I'm just that's what 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:16.120 I'm saying. 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:17.840 You say, you could say all these other things, and 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:20.240 maybe someone the next response is, well, he would have, 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:22.000 he would have it, maybe he would have done worse. 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:24.760 And I'm like, well maybe maybe maybe, maybe maybe not, 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:27.400 maybe yes, maybe no, but I can't go on. 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:29.519 Maybe. I just know what I see, and I know 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:29.800 we have. 1:26:29.800 --> 1:26:31.439 To go in as You're right, I know we have 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.160 to go as right. 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:35.600 And also it's kind of like, I don't know if 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:38.040 we were If we were, this is a it's not 1:26:38.240 --> 1:26:40.559 a direct parallel to that. But if we were like 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:43.120 living in the Confederacy right now, I don't really know 1:26:43.160 --> 1:26:44.840 if I would have been really arguing that hard on 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:46.880 which Confederate president we're going to get and how much 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:48.760 it would have made a difference, like necessarily to me 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:51.200 if I was enslaved. I'm sure there have been something, 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.200 some minor things maybe, but generally, you. 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:57.280 Know, if we were living in the Confederate moment, that's 1:26:57.320 --> 1:27:00.080 a huge if it. 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:01.880 But what I mean is that sometimes you know, people 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:04.479 will try to do the lesser evil thing. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:07.640 Well that's why I said this is a long this 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:08.559 is a whole other thing. 1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:12.120 I mean I've heard yes, I've heard that too. I mean, 1:27:12.240 --> 1:27:16.200 right now I'm doing whatever possible to stop forty five 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:19.280 from what's happening. 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:20.800 And giving their women rights back for their bodies. I 1:27:20.840 --> 1:27:23.840 don't know that's important too. So it's a whole list 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:25.160 of importance and things. 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:26.280 And yeah, that's a. 1:27:26.280 --> 1:27:30.519 Whole the topic as well, unpopular opinions on that as well. 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:33.600 But oh I'm dreaming Marie, when is the podcast for 1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:34.480 my friends? 1:27:34.520 --> 1:27:38.160 My friends have I have friends who are just like 1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:41.559 some of some of a couple of them maybe who. 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:44.360 Are like vote blue no matter who, some who are 1:27:44.400 --> 1:27:46.000 like no, I think that this is actually good to go. 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:46.400 You know. 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:48.920 I have some people who are like, I'm definitely gonna 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:52.400 do third party support that build the framework while everybody 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:54.720 else is doing all the other stuff, because it's just 1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:55.840 build a third party frame. 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:56.639 Which is it has to be done. 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.120 If we want to have like four or five parties, 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:00.680 we're gonna have someone have to do it. 1:28:00.760 --> 1:28:03.080 So while everyone's in the frame. 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:03.840 Till Jill come back. 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:05.840 Wait, No, it's no, it's. 1:28:05.760 --> 1:28:07.640 Always going to be a boogeyman. It's always going to 1:28:07.680 --> 1:28:09.840 be a boogeyman. It's never the it's never the best time. 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:11.439 So someone just has to do in the meantime. Because 1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:13.559 it's a five to ten year, twenty year. You gotta 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:15.840 think like China thirty years down the road, you know 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:17.680 what I'm saying. You can't just think about right now. 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:19.559 So it's like someone has to do that while everyone 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:20.479 else is doing the other thing. 1:28:20.560 --> 1:28:21.040 That's true. 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:24.599 I also know people who are super pro black, like 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:27.120 Pan African they send it priate after schools. 1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:29.200 They voted Trump last time, and they'd be voting for 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:29.679 him again. 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:32.280 That's crazy. Things are better pregnant. 1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:36.639 But well, I don't know if they're black. I would 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:38.000 hope that we have more babies. 1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:41.760 I'll just say that, Oh I'm tired of I'm just 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:43.559 saying we've been sitting at thirteen percent. 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:47.800 Who as long as somebodyiest marine, as long as somebody 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:48.799 could be the babies. 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:49.680 There's that. 1:28:50.040 --> 1:28:50.800 There is that. 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:54.800 But the majority of the world is more impoverished than 1:28:54.840 --> 1:28:57.719 we are, and they don't tie their family to money. 1:28:58.160 --> 1:28:59.120 They have kids. 1:28:59.240 --> 1:29:01.040 And but some people will be like, you know, because 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.040 I was reading this one book, I had a book 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:05.320 club book, and they were like one of the moments 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:07.479 in the book, I was like, interesting, I never thought 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:08.160 about it like that. 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:11.680 The woman was a housekeeper from South America. 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:12.960 And she was cleaning the house for the lady and 1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:14.759 the lady lived in a big house, a white lady, 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:18.200 and they had one son. And she said, you're pregnant again. 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:21.200 And of course she was like, why do you people 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:23.640 keep having children that you can't pay for? And she's like, 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:26.439 you don't think about like how you can provide and 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:30.760 she said no, Senora, And I was like, interesting, because 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:32.639 when the lady got pregnant, I was like, oh, man, 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:34.479 y'all are living in this shared space. 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:37.360 You got two kids, it's hard. Now you're pregnant again. 1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:39.479 I don't know, girl, what's going on. And she's a 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:40.960 grown woman. But when she. 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:44.720 Said that to the lady, I thought, interesting, we have 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:47.639 so much on this side and there are people who 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:50.759 are struggling. But I'm just saying there's different it's relative, 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.479 there's different level. I was like, she's sitting in this 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:54.760 wealthy woman's house. 1:29:54.760 --> 1:29:56.960 She's not even that welly. She's probably up middle class. 1:29:56.720 --> 1:30:00.720 White lady, big huge, three hundred square thousand square foot 1:30:00.720 --> 1:30:03.160 house me before thousand square foot house, just her and 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:05.280 her husband and one child. And they were like, this 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:06.680 is all we can do to provide what we want 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:08.960 to provide for our son, which is fair. But then 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:12.040 you have another woman who's like, the amount of children 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:14.479 I have is not determined by our finances. It's about 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:16.479 family and growing the family. And many people in the 1:30:16.479 --> 1:30:18.880 world think like that, and I never really thought about 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:20.040 it that way until I read the book. 1:30:20.200 --> 1:30:23.479 We're capitalists as fuck, I mean, as America, so. 1:30:23.560 --> 1:30:25.280 It's like, well, when you when you're like, yeah, when 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:27.759 you're throwing all the women in the workplace and everyone's 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:30.280 feeling like they don't have enough to survive and everything inflation, 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:33.320 you can be like, man, you got to pay for this, 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:36.760 And I agree, But also I can see the other 1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:38.960 side and say, well, people make do with a lot 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:41.760 less and still have five six kids, And so there's 1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:44.280 no real answering there. It's just more of a question 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:47.160 and a perspect something to think about. But I just 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:51.439 know me myself, I'm not on the page of like 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:54.360 when it comes to like those women's. 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.880 Rights, da da da da da da. I have mixed. 1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:59.720 Feelings because I know that when it came to the 1:30:59.720 --> 1:31:02.880 BLO population anyway, it wasn't because they were like, you 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:05.240 need some rights. It was like, it's too many of 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:07.040 y'all and we don't want that. So we're gonna put 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:09.400 this here and here and here. Now what y'all do 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:11.120 with it is what you do with it. But I'm 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:14.360 just saying I'm not gonna be waving the batter and 1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:15.800 say this's a black and white thing. 1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:17.040 It's individual. 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:19.080 But it's just nice to have the choice. It's just 1:31:19.200 --> 1:31:19.599 nice to have. 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:21.480 Sho, I'm not happy. 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:24.960 I'm not happy that the majority of children the potentialized 1:31:25.000 --> 1:31:27.439 whatever you want to say, I'm not It doesn't make 1:31:27.479 --> 1:31:30.720 me happy that the majority of them, or like it's 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:34.200 not thirteen percent, it's like a twenty five, thirty percent 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:36.519 or half, or that doesn't make me feel. 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:37.320 Good, you know what I'm saying. 1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:40.200 So I don't know what the answer is, but I 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:42.000 know that doesn't make me happy. 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:45.280 And on the other side of that argument, there's also 1:31:45.360 --> 1:31:49.080 like health issues we have to figure out. Yeah, there's yeah, 1:31:49.120 --> 1:31:51.400 I know a lot of people just for health issues 1:31:51.840 --> 1:31:54.920 reasons have to terminate a pregnancy. 1:31:55.240 --> 1:31:58.519 Yes, that sounds real. I mean that's what I say. 1:31:58.520 --> 1:32:01.160 It's complicated. But I'm just like, yeah, who do you 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:01.479 need this? 1:32:01.560 --> 1:32:04.840 I'm like, h No, I think people are just fighting 1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:06.640 for their choice, to make their choice for themselves. So 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:09.160 just like, just don't tell me what to do. Just 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:11.840 let me. My man said last night, too many people 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:13.960 in the hospital room with me. Let me make my choice. 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:18.000 I'm a firm believer in body sovereignty and you need that. 1:32:18.840 --> 1:32:21.240 But across the board, so when now the COVID now 1:32:21.280 --> 1:32:24.320 they're talking about empos, I'm a believer. 1:32:24.240 --> 1:32:27.519 And I am accination too. I see you A Marie. 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:32.200 I am A my body, it's my body, it's my choice, 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:33.240 it's my family's choice. 1:32:33.240 --> 1:32:34.200 It's like this is bully. 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:37.760 I'm a and I'm a free speech absolutist. I'm not 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:39.240 for that censorship either. 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:43.000 My friend was like, are you at Africanist as well? 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:44.240 A Marie? Are you a little bit of a pan 1:32:44.240 --> 1:32:45.040 Africanist as one? 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:46.760 I think so, but I'd have to look at and see, 1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:48.320 like what what technically that is? 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:50.240 But I fall into that as well. 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:50.880 I was. 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:52.160 My friend was like, I don't know what they ever 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:53.360 trying to figure it out, because you know, I got 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:56.599 a Republican friends. People who don't were independent just across 1:32:56.600 --> 1:32:58.360 the board, They're like, well what are you? And I 1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:00.519 was like, I've always said I'm just independ But I 1:33:00.560 --> 1:33:01.840 was like they were like, I know what you are. 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:03.800 Someone just texting me out the blue. They're like, you're 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:06.760 a libertarian. And I was like, you know, there was 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:09.280 a point where I thought maybe I was because I'm 1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:10.240 just like everybody just. 1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:13.559 Do what they wanted. But I was like not quite. 1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:14.439 Then I was like maybe not. 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:16.439 I think what it is is I just don't really 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:20.400 have any kind of I can't fall into any niche 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:23.040 because I agree with this and I don't agree with that. 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:24.640 I agree with this, but I don't agree with that. 1:33:24.720 --> 1:33:25.960 I agree with this, but I don't. 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:28.920 Agree with that, meaning this, this group, this group, this group, 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:29.439 this group. 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:31.400 So I think I'm more of. 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:34.000 An American. 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:37.920 Because you have the right to be that way, right, 1:33:38.040 --> 1:33:40.200 Like awful you you know what I mean. 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:43.040 When those people were tearing down those COVID masks and 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:45.160 they were being belligerent in the targets and knocking on 1:33:45.240 --> 1:33:47.760 them racks, and everyone's. 1:33:47.360 --> 1:33:48.800 Like they're being stupid, and I was like, I mean, 1:33:48.840 --> 1:33:52.160 it's really out of control. But they're also the first 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:54.479 line of our civil defense actually, so let them just 1:33:54.920 --> 1:33:57.920 be doing their thing. They don't really necessarily care about 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:00.679 my civil rights necessarily, But it's okay. 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:01.519 You don't need you don't. 1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:04.240 You just need people to act sometimes and you it's 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:08.479 just like whether it's political parties, whether it's certain groups 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:11.080 of why certain groups can come together and they may 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:14.120 be completely our opposite side of the political spectrum, but 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:17.599 on one issue they agree. People have to be able 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:20.640 to find common ground and you have to understand, like 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:25.719 when the chess pieces are moving like, for instance, all right, 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:31.000 they're going to use this democratic president to do these 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:34.320 things while they're trying to do that, and now when 1:34:34.360 --> 1:34:37.000 it's another time and it's like a Republican president, that's 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:39.160 going to be the time to usher in these other things. 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:41.960 But see what ended up happening. You're like, well what happened? 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:44.880 It's like, actually it's from the president that was sent 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:49.320 when the Democrat democratic president was in or what's happening now, Well, 1:34:49.400 --> 1:34:51.200 that kind of got kind of slid in when the 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:55.160 Republican was a president. It's like two hands to the 1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:58.400 same body. Yeah, which is why we need more political parties. 1:34:59.040 --> 1:34:59.720 So what was it? 1:35:00.479 --> 1:35:01.799 What was your second single? 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:13.160 Now? 1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:18.840 In terms of the first album? First of all, who 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:21.679 were the higher ups at Sony Columbia. Was it Donnie 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:24.679 and Tommy still or was at that time. 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:25.599 Donnie was still there? 1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:28.960 Well, you know, I'm always I'm like the worst at 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:33.439 remembering things, honestly, but yes, I remember Donnie was still there. 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:37.599 I don't know if Tommy was there. I never met him, 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:39.120 so I don't I don't think he was there. How 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:42.880 I got into Sony at Columbia was because I think 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:44.760 we talked about that I was. I met Rich, but 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:47.080 Rich already was being someone was already kind of just 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:48.720 like watching out for him to see how what was 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:52.000 developing for the last couple of years previously when we met, 1:35:52.040 --> 1:35:56.160 before we met, and that was Jeff Burrows and Darryl Williams. 1:35:56.200 --> 1:35:59.519 They had a Rise Entertainment and Jeff had really come 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:04.040 from Bad Boy and then he had a situation he 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:06.719 was trying to get going with Columbia. He just didn't 1:36:06.960 --> 1:36:09.280 have an artist that he wanted yet, and so he 1:36:09.360 --> 1:36:11.400 was just kind of watching with Rich. So we kind 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:15.440 of created that and they brought us into the system. 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:19.200 So at that time, like who was your A and 1:36:19.320 --> 1:36:20.080 R at the label? 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.280 I remember Space, I remember his name, but it's because 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:25.120 we didn't. 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:28.160 Have an R ring at that time. We did did 1:36:28.200 --> 1:36:31.080 our project. It was like a thing that we did 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:33.080 and we delivered it and that was done. It was 1:36:33.120 --> 1:36:34.519 really just like finishing touches. 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:34.760 It was. 1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:37.040 It wasn't like feedback and hay, I like no, no, no, no, no, 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:38.880 try and go back and do this again. 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:42.599 No, the feedback It was pretty much like this is great. 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:43.320 And that was it. 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:45.519 Because also there was Rich and I and then we 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:48.720 had Jeff and Daryl, their partners. 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:50.560 And then we had Columbia. So by that time we 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:51.000 had kind. 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:52.760 Of already vetted it, and Jeff had already vetted it, 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:54.960 felt good about it, and they trusted him with it. 1:36:55.040 --> 1:36:58.599 So someone hearing something, Yes, they tried. They did try 1:36:58.600 --> 1:37:01.280 to get certain things finished, like just the label was 1:37:01.320 --> 1:37:04.960 really instrumental in closing out the project, mixing and all 1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:07.519 that stuff like that. But the an R for the 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:09.000 first album, that really was. 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:12.560 Just us for that development. 1:37:12.560 --> 1:37:14.720 That's because I was like, what about the vision where 1:37:14.720 --> 1:37:17.519 they had their hands They didn't even have their hand 1:37:17.560 --> 1:37:18.160 in the vision. 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:22.120 I remember Donnie got really mad at my first shoot. 1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:23.840 I heard in the meeting. 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:29.759 He was so upset about not the is the shoot. 1:37:29.840 --> 1:37:32.400 So on the back of the album, the back. 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:34.680 Of the album has the song titles on it, and 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:36.920 it's just me on a chaise lounge or whatever, and 1:37:36.960 --> 1:37:40.240 it's just like wearing like black shorts are pretty listen. 1:37:40.600 --> 1:37:41.880 It's quite It was to me. 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:44.599 It was kind of tame then, but it's super tame 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:46.520 compared to what's happening now. 1:37:46.600 --> 1:37:52.599 But it was just he said, why what is this? 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:57.400 Why is it all liked? And he was really upset. 1:37:57.479 --> 1:37:59.320 Most people will have their labels like trying to make 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:01.360 them naked. But he was just he just that was 1:38:01.400 --> 1:38:03.040 just too much. He was upset. 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:05.719 I mean, hen' telling me that, But that's the feedback. 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:07.559 They're like, he really didn't like that. 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:10.280 I was like, this just sitting down, you can't even 1:38:10.439 --> 1:38:13.120 it's not even frontwards, just from the side. It's just legs. Really, 1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:15.200 that's it. And he's just like he thought. 1:38:15.000 --> 1:38:18.519 It was easy. Well whatever you call that thing. 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:21.360 Yeah, lying down, lying on the shades, and then it's 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:22.720 just a. 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:25.960 Complete side view. So it's just like leg But again, 1:38:26.120 --> 1:38:27.720 super tan people would look at and be. 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:31.679 Like, what bad album. I don't call that, but okay, 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:32.439 he is. 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:34.280 The back is the back of the album. It's the 1:38:34.320 --> 1:38:35.680 back of the album where the song titles are. 1:38:35.720 --> 1:38:38.000 That's what I'm saying, Like, you probably not even thinking 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:40.800 about it that way because it's it's super tank. But 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.080 I remember when I went to the Soul Train Awards too. 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:47.839 I remember they were the label's nervous. They're like dresses, 1:38:48.560 --> 1:38:53.800 the dresses really well, it was it was kind of 1:38:53.840 --> 1:38:55.639 it was kind of risque. It was kind of risque. 1:38:55.640 --> 1:38:57.920 It was like basically basically like a David Downer but 1:38:58.000 --> 1:38:59.840 Patricia Fields, they made that dress and it was like 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:03.439 a dress that was like a body suit, like a 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:05.479 bathing suit body suit, but we added more because I 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:07.680 didn't want cheeks to come out. And then it was 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:11.200 just like the train of it all was black, like 1:39:11.360 --> 1:39:13.479 chiffon or something, so it was black just see through, 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:17.000 so it was it was it was quite revealing, but 1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:18.240 you couldn't see any cheeks. 1:39:18.400 --> 1:39:20.599 It's just shocking because you would think all labels want 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:22.080 all their female singers to be. 1:39:22.120 --> 1:39:24.760 Like shoo shoo, you know, pow powow. 1:39:25.320 --> 1:39:27.360 So yeah, but I think it depends on what they 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:30.200 want to do, right, because if they're just like, we 1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:32.960 don't want we wanted a little bit more wholesome maybe 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:33.920 or something. 1:39:34.200 --> 1:39:38.160 And my ve cass, I thought you were the girl 1:39:38.240 --> 1:39:38.719 next door. 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:41.920 I felt like it was. I didn't think it was 1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:42.519 too much. 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:45.080 But you know, it's funny because my thing was like 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:46.559 I was like, listen, I like short shorts because they 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:48.160 were also kind of like shorts of the video kind 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:52.280 of short. They were like okay, okay, you know, but 1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:54.360 I was like, listen, I love short shorts. 1:39:54.360 --> 1:39:55.360 And here's the thing about me. 1:39:55.439 --> 1:39:57.920 I was like, you know, whether I show a lot 1:39:57.960 --> 1:40:00.559 of skin or whether I show no skin. My whole 1:40:00.600 --> 1:40:02.320 thing about who I am is I'm going to do 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:05.120 what I want to do because I will be in 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:07.400 control of my own image and I will be in 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:09.760 control of my sexuality. No one is going to be 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:11.800 in control of that. So if I want to be 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:13.360 like I have the legs out on the chadels, or 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:15.759 I want to wear short shorts in the video, but 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:18.599 you know, it's still it's still tame. But then if 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:21.759 I do im Mense magazine thing, I don't want a bikini, 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:23.960 I don't want I want pants and I want this. 1:40:24.320 --> 1:40:24.559 You know. 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:27.320 My whole thing was like, you know, I have to 1:40:27.920 --> 1:40:28.839 it's my it's. 1:40:28.680 --> 1:40:31.479 My, it's it's me, it's my body, it's myself, and 1:40:31.520 --> 1:40:34.120 I want to be in charge of myself, you know 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:34.679 what I'm saying. 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:40.080 So for the three years that transpire between all I 1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:44.760 have in touch, was there active conversations on how to 1:40:44.760 --> 1:40:47.519 build up on the momentum. Because the thing was, when 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:52.040 one thing came, nobody saw that shit coming. It just 1:40:52.320 --> 1:40:56.840 literally landed out of nowhere like a boulder out the sky, 1:40:56.920 --> 1:40:59.920 like oh shit, what And then that's a good way 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:03.519 just landed on us. In such a hard weight, like 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:07.160 I distinctively remember like when I first heard I just 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:08.040 got my license. 1:41:08.640 --> 1:41:10.960 That was like one of the first songs that like 1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:12.599 my whole. 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:17.960 Listen, let's get to it. 1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:20.240 No, let's not get into it. 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:29.720 No, I graduated, Listen, I graduated high school and immediately, 1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:33.200 like setting the motion, like a big part of the 1:41:33.280 --> 1:41:36.120 root stories that we had to move to Europe, you know, 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:40.960 like two years after regraduating high school and us making it, 1:41:41.000 --> 1:41:43.479 we moved to Europe and lived in London for like 1:41:44.080 --> 1:41:46.919 the longest. But even at that, like we were touring 1:41:47.880 --> 1:41:51.559 two hundred days out the year, so like I mean, 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:55.559 I just brought my first real, real real house, like 1:41:55.640 --> 1:41:58.040 my first hey, let me take my money and do 1:41:58.080 --> 1:42:00.920 something nice for me thing, like I did that and 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:04.320 maybe three years ago because the day that things fall 1:42:04.360 --> 1:42:06.439 apart came out to Wrek got his license. 1:42:07.439 --> 1:42:12.000 Okay, uh huh so what were you saying? Okay, yeah, exactly. 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:14.800 We were in the gallery doing an in store and 1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:16.400 it was like where's to riqua? 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:18.880 Oh he went to go get his license and buy 1:42:18.920 --> 1:42:21.320 his car. I'm like, we make money enough to buy 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:22.200 our lights in the car. 1:42:22.840 --> 1:42:25.400 No, but one thing was one of the first things 1:42:25.439 --> 1:42:29.120 I remember blasting and I was just like, I can't 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:32.679 believe that the hardest hip. 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:36.280 Hop song of all time is not Buying MC and so. 1:42:37.560 --> 1:42:39.720 Hip hop mixed with Go Go hip hop mixed with 1:42:39.840 --> 1:42:41.720 Go Go don't all right. 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:44.280 Look there's one ConA and that's the thing I wanted 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:48.759 to spend. I know there's Go Go leanings into it. 1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:53.439 It's not a Go Go song. I'm sorry. There's a 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:56.000 lot of Yes, there's a lot of musicians in. 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.760 The video expectful if I was like, yeah, that's a 1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:03.320 go Go record, like go Go, let not get out 1:43:03.360 --> 1:43:06.240 of control. He got little flavors, got the tinge of it, 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:10.080 but that's a whole different vibe. 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:13.040 Yeah, No, it's it's I mean because of the drum 1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:14.280 rolling and all that stuff. 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:17.120 Yes, it feels it feels like, it feels updated. I 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:20.479 love it. So did the labels see that coming at all? 1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:21.680 Like? 1:43:21.800 --> 1:43:22.200 One thing? 1:43:22.240 --> 1:43:24.120 Are you talking about the second album? You're talking about 1:43:24.120 --> 1:43:24.479 the creations? 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:27.080 One thing which I hope let you hey, you have 1:43:27.120 --> 1:43:29.040 more of this, and then we could put. 1:43:29.400 --> 1:43:30.720 No, it was the opposite. 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:33.120 It was the almost feel like you you made it 1:43:33.200 --> 1:43:35.280 against there. 1:43:36.000 --> 1:43:38.479 I mean, we did it right, we did it we 1:43:38.479 --> 1:43:39.320 were creating the album. 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:41.599 It was kind of really difficult to create that second album, 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:42.800 honestly because. 1:43:43.160 --> 1:43:45.000 Rich was like doing I don't know what was going on. 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:46.519 He was kind of like in a different space and 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:49.280 it was like almost like chasing him down. And he 1:43:49.360 --> 1:43:52.960 works in a very specific way, which is basically in 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:54.880 isolation where he has to he has to get a 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:56.479 lot of his ideas, but he has to be like 1:43:56.479 --> 1:43:57.439 a complete isolation. 1:43:58.040 --> 1:43:59.639 So the label was also. 1:43:59.439 --> 1:44:01.640 Meanwhile trying to create that for him, like you know, 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:04.360 putting him up here or there. Also, he had different 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:06.320 people who wanted to work with him, so there was that, 1:44:06.640 --> 1:44:08.520 but he still needed to have his isolation. 1:44:08.840 --> 1:44:12.000 And he doesn't work fast. He doesn't work fast. 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:15.400 He's more he takes his time and it takes it 1:44:15.439 --> 1:44:17.920 can take a long time while he's putting things together, 1:44:18.120 --> 1:44:21.439 he's getting his thoughts together right, So that was also happening, 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:24.080 and meanwhile, it's like, okay, time to do the second album. 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:26.320 Once we got into the flow of it, though it 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:29.599 was pretty good, then I almost did like this part 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:32.599 of the album separately, like we did it together, but 1:44:32.640 --> 1:44:35.599 then separately because of that timing because it was taking 1:44:35.640 --> 1:44:37.800 so long. So like the record I did with Carl 1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:39.680 Thomas and stuff like that. That was just something that you know, 1:44:39.720 --> 1:44:41.519 we were putting together because at the time, you know, 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:45.960 Lenny was also putting that project together. It was really difficult, 1:44:46.360 --> 1:44:50.519 but we eventually got it and then we ended up 1:44:50.520 --> 1:44:51.320 doing one thing. 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:53.600 How do you normally work with rich Like does he 1:44:53.640 --> 1:44:55.479 go off on his own and comes back and says, 1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:57.799 this is one I prepared in the Mountain cabins. 1:44:58.360 --> 1:45:01.400 Yes, he normally just goes off his own and then 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:04.880 I can finish the thought, depending on like, you know, 1:45:04.920 --> 1:45:07.360 what's what it is. But he needs to have his 1:45:07.400 --> 1:45:10.280 space to finish his own thought first. But he's got 1:45:10.320 --> 1:45:13.880 to complete his thought musically, and then I can see, 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:15.600 you know, because a lot of times I did the 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:18.240 bridges a lot because he just doesn't really do a 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:19.639 lot of bridges, you know what I mean, Like he'll 1:45:19.680 --> 1:45:24.439 get all the other things there. But that's normally how 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:26.799 it would work. We have to see for the future, 1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:30.760 you know, should I will see what happens. But how 1:45:30.760 --> 1:45:32.120 we worked in the past was he has to finish 1:45:32.120 --> 1:45:34.760 his thought. He has to finish the thought. I just 1:45:34.800 --> 1:45:38.080 remember it being painstaking that second album. It was just 1:45:38.400 --> 1:45:41.559 it was just difficult to finish. But once we got 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:43.760 it though, then we had it, you know what I mean. 1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:48.080 So we had one thing we had talking about. We 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:51.120 felt like it was special, we felt like talking about 1:45:51.479 --> 1:45:53.840 was also really amazing. Actually, I feel like I actually 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:56.120 like talking about it even better than one thing. Lav 1:45:56.240 --> 1:45:59.520 told me that before that was that that was his favorite, 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:01.160 and I like, yeah, you know, that's the one. I 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:03.920 never I don't get tired of performing either one, but 1:46:03.960 --> 1:46:06.800 that one just something about it is like I think 1:46:06.800 --> 1:46:09.000 it like it's in my essence, like that's very me. 1:46:09.439 --> 1:46:12.439 But we did one thing and we felt like, Okay, 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:17.600 this is something really dope, but we couldn't say like 1:46:18.040 --> 1:46:20.599 because it's kind of like this and that one was big, 1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:23.600 so this one it was It wasn't. It was just 1:46:23.640 --> 1:46:26.120 it didn't sound like anything. So we just knew how 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:29.000 we felt about it. So it's kind of like deflating 1:46:29.439 --> 1:46:33.280 when the label just completely didn't get it at all. 1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:35.240 That's actually how they were, like. 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:41.479 They said this, I didn't play it. 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:43.920 And I wasn't there, but I know, you know, it 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:46.599 was played for them, and the reaction was pretty much. 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:49.240 Like not is this it? This is? 1:46:49.280 --> 1:46:49.400 This? 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:50.479 Is this is that. 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:52.360 You came up with this is one thing. 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:54.479 Yeah, it was just like this isn't it? 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:58.040 And at the time if everything was almost like culminating. 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:00.519 And it's interesting because you talk about like things of 1:47:00.640 --> 1:47:02.479 like things that can be like the biggest thing, but 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:04.360 it's also like the ending, the shiftings to something else 1:47:05.400 --> 1:47:08.840 because with the way that it was so painstaking to 1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:10.519 put the album together, it's taking a long time, and 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:12.400 you know, that time, the label starts wondering what's going 1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:15.000 on because meanwhile, looking at the rich, I've got him somewhere, 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:16.840 but it's kind of like taking a long time still, 1:47:16.920 --> 1:47:19.040 and I'm creating what I'm creating, and it's like it's 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:21.519 all kind of been a painstaking process and it's very 1:47:21.680 --> 1:47:24.720 drawn out right, really really drawn out, and normally and 1:47:24.760 --> 1:47:26.280 I get into vibe, I want to just like boom boom, 1:47:26.280 --> 1:47:28.880 bom boom, I'm quick. So that it was kind of 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:31.519 hard for me too because I'm also working, you know, 1:47:31.640 --> 1:47:33.439 like partner it up, you know what I mean, And 1:47:33.640 --> 1:47:35.720 and he is his process is different, so it's a 1:47:35.760 --> 1:47:40.120 little antsy for me. But that taking a long time, 1:47:40.280 --> 1:47:42.240 the label not really knowing what's going on, I think 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:45.080 spends a lot of money just trying to like figure 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:48.040 out how to just create that artistic oasis. 1:47:49.200 --> 1:47:50.719 For Rich I feel. 1:47:50.800 --> 1:47:52.639 I don't I don't like to speak for him because 1:47:52.680 --> 1:47:55.599 he knows his experience, you know, but just from from 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:58.280 what I what I was seeing and what I knew 1:47:58.280 --> 1:48:01.360 of what I was privy to, that it's taking a 1:48:01.400 --> 1:48:02.040 long time. 1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:03.080 And then and. 1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:05.559 Then after all that, like ooh, this has been like 1:48:05.680 --> 1:48:07.160 I don't know, a year or a year and a 1:48:07.160 --> 1:48:10.559 half just trying to get the scenario. 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:16.360 Going, and then they come with this what is what 1:48:16.520 --> 1:48:16.920 is even? 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:17.160 This? 1:48:17.479 --> 1:48:18.519 What is this even? 1:48:19.240 --> 1:48:21.599 And so I think at that point, and there were 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:24.559 some other political things I don't even know about, honestly 1:48:24.600 --> 1:48:27.960 to this day, I don't really know. But somehow there 1:48:28.000 --> 1:48:30.640 were some issues with the head of the label and 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:34.799 with maybe Jeff, you know, with a Rise I think, 1:48:35.200 --> 1:48:35.840 and then there were. 1:48:35.800 --> 1:48:37.719 Also issues maybe with the label and Rich. 1:48:38.040 --> 1:48:41.000 So there was all these little splinterings that were happening 1:48:41.120 --> 1:48:43.599 in the meantime, and then of course then we come 1:48:43.640 --> 1:48:44.000 with this. 1:48:45.160 --> 1:48:47.520 So at that time I think it was really. 1:48:47.280 --> 1:48:50.000 Like, Okay, I'm probably going to just like lose my 1:48:50.040 --> 1:48:53.800 deal or you know, just it's just that's just it. 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:56.360 That's kind of like the vibes I've been getting and 1:48:56.600 --> 1:48:59.320 pretty much what we're feeling like is that that I'm 1:48:59.360 --> 1:49:01.080 just about to just not be with them anymore. 1:49:01.120 --> 1:49:03.080 They're about to drop me on from the label. 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:05.439 And I was like, I mean, the thing about it is, 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:07.040 I was like, I don't even care about any of 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:09.400 that stuff. I just really care about the music. And 1:49:10.200 --> 1:49:15.000 I was like, this, this is great and somebody's gonna 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:17.960 hear it. So if they're not going to put it out, 1:49:18.000 --> 1:49:19.880 I guess I just will. I'll just give it to 1:49:19.920 --> 1:49:23.960 everybody for free then. And that's really that's how it 1:49:24.000 --> 1:49:28.719 got out. It was really, uh, thanks getting a DJ 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:31.760 getting we'll work with Charles Dixon and Charles Dixon. 1:49:31.760 --> 1:49:33.200 I remember DJ Charles Dixon. 1:49:33.560 --> 1:49:36.000 Charles Dixon had like this, this is that back in 1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:37.840 the day when you know, people would have these massive 1:49:37.880 --> 1:49:40.360 DJ lists all over the world and DJ's had a 1:49:40.360 --> 1:49:40.760 lot more. 1:49:40.800 --> 1:49:45.120 I feel like maybe it's like that again. Yeahtonomy and 1:49:45.120 --> 1:49:46.880 they could just do what they want. They could actually. 1:49:46.560 --> 1:49:49.479 Break records, so that helped too. 1:49:49.800 --> 1:49:53.280 And record pools. Yes, so we basically did that. We 1:49:53.320 --> 1:49:54.880 did it to Sundays of the record pool, send it 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:58.559 to the list, and so all the DJs like around 1:49:58.560 --> 1:50:01.519 the world got it, and I think the UK might 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:04.360 have gotten it first, like a day before everyone else, 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:05.840 maybe half a day, you know, because just the way 1:50:05.880 --> 1:50:08.519 that the list was sent out or the record was 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:10.919 sent out to the list, and they just started playing 1:50:10.920 --> 1:50:13.240 it like immediately, like a lot of d started playing. 1:50:13.040 --> 1:50:14.800 It right away. And that was that was kind of 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:15.840 my parting thing. 1:50:15.960 --> 1:50:18.920 That was to me, that was my you know, and 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:21.120 it was just my decision because lendy Als is our thing. 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:22.120 That was the parting thing that. 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:25.960 Was like, well, you know, I'm gone, let's prepare for 1:50:26.200 --> 1:50:28.880 part two. Okay, wow, that's crazy. 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:30.840 Yeah. Then we put it out and it took off 1:50:30.880 --> 1:50:33.240 over Christmas break, so this is Christmas, no one can 1:50:33.320 --> 1:50:35.120 do anything. So it was actually a good time too 1:50:35.160 --> 1:50:38.040 because everyone was like on their vacations so there was 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:40.160 on like these crazy calls and all these things happening, 1:50:40.320 --> 1:50:42.439 and I was like, great, we'll just do this at 1:50:42.479 --> 1:50:45.280 the end of the year, and this is my parting gift, 1:50:45.360 --> 1:50:47.760 I guess, and I just want people to hear the record, 1:50:47.800 --> 1:50:49.120 that's all. So I guess I'm done and we'll figure 1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:50.960 out what you do after that. And that was it 1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:54.559 and come New year's. It was just building so fast, 1:50:55.040 --> 1:50:58.040 and the label then had to pay play ketch up like, Okay, 1:50:58.160 --> 1:50:59.519 we need to do the video, we need to do this. 1:51:01.520 --> 1:51:03.559 Because answer this thing. 1:51:03.600 --> 1:51:09.840 Though, was there any sort of moment of redemption, like hey, we. 1:51:09.680 --> 1:51:10.559 Were wrong about this. 1:51:13.000 --> 1:51:18.400 Non or were they mad at you for ruining their plans? 1:51:19.320 --> 1:51:21.920 You know? The thing that's so weird is no, it 1:51:22.000 --> 1:51:24.960 wasn't that. And I can't say specifically because I wasn't 1:51:25.000 --> 1:51:27.760 in the meetings, but there was the feeling that they 1:51:27.800 --> 1:51:31.160 were that would be weird though, so I never knew 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:31.960 if that was the case. 1:51:32.479 --> 1:51:33.880 What I was gonna say was they were like. 1:51:33.960 --> 1:51:37.599 Actively trying to tamp down the record because there were 1:51:37.840 --> 1:51:40.960 other records at the label that they wanted to pop, 1:51:41.479 --> 1:51:45.280 and they were shift They wanted to shift the attention 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:49.719 of other records, so they're trying to shift people away 1:51:49.760 --> 1:51:54.120 from that. And so really one thing did what it 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:59.640 did in spite of the label, not because of it. 1:51:59.720 --> 1:52:02.559 And I don't mean that to disparage any particular person, 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:04.880 because I actually had a really great relationship with people 1:52:04.880 --> 1:52:07.200 who were there. So some people are just doing their jobs, 1:52:07.240 --> 1:52:08.679 you know what I mean. It's more like I think 1:52:08.800 --> 1:52:11.000 when you go on the higher up, the higher, higher, 1:52:11.080 --> 1:52:11.719 higher up. 1:52:11.800 --> 1:52:14.840 Part of it, because the people who are really insitionally working 1:52:14.880 --> 1:52:15.559 but are great. 1:52:16.000 --> 1:52:19.200 You literally just said, I mean, I think when you 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:23.240 work for or when you work with the system, that's 1:52:23.320 --> 1:52:28.960 kind of more or less prioritizing their job safety as 1:52:28.960 --> 1:52:35.400 opposed to creativity. You often find a lot of cutting 1:52:35.479 --> 1:52:38.080 off the nose despite the face. Because my whole thing 1:52:38.160 --> 1:52:41.920 is that, well, if you win, then they all win, 1:52:42.560 --> 1:52:44.320 and then other people can win. But there's this whole 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:48.360 thing where it's just like one entity can only share 1:52:48.360 --> 1:52:49.080 the spotlight. 1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:52.800 And I never understood that. I didn't understand that. 1:52:52.840 --> 1:52:55.040 And we said that at the time because I was like, listen, 1:52:55.800 --> 1:52:57.920 and I think when people started looking at like rap 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:01.200 smaller rap labels, they understood that the strengthen numbers because 1:53:01.200 --> 1:53:04.840 I was like, listen, they're thinking too corporate. They're thinking 1:53:04.840 --> 1:53:08.160 in a very old, staid corporate way, which is this 1:53:08.240 --> 1:53:10.479 is the van guard, this is the this, and this 1:53:10.520 --> 1:53:13.160 is that. And I'm like, you want everyone to win 1:53:13.280 --> 1:53:16.559 because then everyone can help each other, and everyone even 1:53:16.640 --> 1:53:18.880 just by the nature of being successful, it helps give 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:20.559 you leverage for this and that I'm like, why am 1:53:20.560 --> 1:53:22.720 I the only one who's seeing this over here? I 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:24.760 mean my team was seeing it. I was like, you 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:28.519 want more artists to be super super successful? Do you 1:53:28.640 --> 1:53:30.800 only want one or two to keep your lights on? 1:53:30.960 --> 1:53:33.120 Because that's not a good that's a precarious position for 1:53:33.160 --> 1:53:34.200 you to be in as a label. 1:53:34.200 --> 1:53:35.120 Why would you want that? 1:53:35.280 --> 1:53:37.240 It's not the lady model. Like when you go back 1:53:37.240 --> 1:53:37.840 and you talk. 1:53:37.720 --> 1:53:39.760 To even some of these female singers and legends of 1:53:39.800 --> 1:53:43.439 the days, it's like one Diana Wannareita. They can't even 1:53:43.439 --> 1:53:45.360 talk to each other. They don't not imposed to like 1:53:45.360 --> 1:53:48.040 like it's a thing. Even when we look at female MC's, 1:53:48.120 --> 1:53:50.120 there is one who does this and one who does that, 1:53:50.200 --> 1:53:51.120 and they cannot. 1:53:51.280 --> 1:53:53.440 It's yeah, there's an artist. 1:53:53.160 --> 1:53:55.360 Tokenism, don't I don't like that either. 1:53:55.920 --> 1:53:59.599 There's a really awesome book that I read like five 1:53:59.680 --> 1:54:01.639 years Well, he's a comedy writer. 1:54:01.840 --> 1:54:02.040 Now. 1:54:02.080 --> 1:54:05.720 His name is Jason Carp. Back then, I believe his 1:54:06.200 --> 1:54:11.600 MC name was Hot Karl, and Hot Karl was he 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:15.559 made his mark in the early aughts whatever the Hot 1:54:15.640 --> 1:54:17.840 ninety seven is of la. They used to have this 1:54:17.920 --> 1:54:20.759 Freestyle Friday's thing where you know, they would have different 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:24.280 people call him Freestyle Battle and whatnot and this guy 1:54:25.160 --> 1:54:27.600 was at one point just had the world in the 1:54:27.640 --> 1:54:30.640 palm of his hands, and so he signs to a 1:54:30.680 --> 1:54:36.200 particular label and his memoirs called Kanye West Owes Me 1:54:36.240 --> 1:54:40.720 three hundred Dollars and other true stories, and basically Jensen 1:54:41.000 --> 1:54:44.040 goes through his whole from being a battle MC to 1:54:44.080 --> 1:54:48.520 being signed to Innerscope Records, and he reveals something. So 1:54:48.720 --> 1:54:52.840 right now, the story that you're telling me is I 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:56.920 believe the same story that Bubba Sparks went through at Innerscope. 1:54:57.760 --> 1:55:00.280 So the way that Jason painted the story was that 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:08.800 they were so invested in a particular money making MC 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:13.920 on that label that their plan was to sign everyone 1:55:14.960 --> 1:55:20.720 that was kind of like under his umbrella and freeze 1:55:20.720 --> 1:55:23.280 them so that they don't stand in the way of 1:55:23.320 --> 1:55:25.160 their star producing. 1:55:25.160 --> 1:55:27.600 And I was like, wow, I've never heard of that. 1:55:28.080 --> 1:55:30.200 Like, if you were to tell this story without me 1:55:30.360 --> 1:55:32.080 reading that book, then I would have just been like, 1:55:32.240 --> 1:55:39.960 Okay's But once I read Jensen's book and then started 1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:44.400 asking around to other ex label execs, and they were like, dude, 1:55:44.520 --> 1:55:46.800 that is part of the course that happens all the time. 1:55:46.920 --> 1:55:47.600 It's kind of. 1:55:47.520 --> 1:55:49.480 Weird, they said, they just signed I mean I feel 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:51.840 like that's actually extra like where they went out of 1:55:51.880 --> 1:55:54.640 their way to sign people that were similar to him. 1:55:55.160 --> 1:55:59.720 We just had Senata Matrea that was kind of his 1:56:00.320 --> 1:56:03.960 at the label because his debut was so magnetic and 1:56:04.080 --> 1:56:11.440 sold so much that it was problematic for Sony's biggest artist, 1:56:11.800 --> 1:56:13.640 who was the biggest. 1:56:13.320 --> 1:56:17.360 Selling artist of all time. That was a problem for. 1:56:17.360 --> 1:56:22.280 Him, and he kind of rang the alarm a little bit, like, Yo, 1:56:23.000 --> 1:56:28.600 this can't happen, and in their way, they kind of 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:32.120 let the air out, which you know, is kind of weird. 1:56:32.160 --> 1:56:33.240 His take on it. 1:56:33.520 --> 1:56:36.520 When he did Quest Love Supreme, he was very bitter 1:56:36.600 --> 1:56:39.920 about it for about twenty years, and then he realized 1:56:39.960 --> 1:56:46.880 that his life was saved because he's still alive, and 1:56:46.920 --> 1:56:50.680 he realized, like, wow, that person unknowingly saved my life 1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:55.280 because but you know, I personally believe that you can 1:56:56.440 --> 1:57:01.200 manifest a successful future without this whole idea that if 1:57:01.240 --> 1:57:05.720 you become the biggest thing in the world, then suddenly 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:08.640 you're gonna die or meet the fate of what Whitney 1:57:08.720 --> 1:57:11.560 met or Prince met or Michael met or you know, 1:57:11.640 --> 1:57:15.920 this whole idea that only the biggest artists fall off 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:18.200 the hardest. 1:57:18.560 --> 1:57:21.200 I believe that we can control that as well. Y'all 1:57:21.320 --> 1:57:21.760 doing it. 1:57:21.720 --> 1:57:23.720 Now, right, if you think about it, it's like, also, 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:25.400 you don't have to go to the same five white 1:57:25.440 --> 1:57:27.160 men to get a record deal to make you change 1:57:27.160 --> 1:57:29.520 your life anymore. And so that's the thing too, Like 1:57:29.800 --> 1:57:32.280 these kids understand now that you don't have to do that. 1:57:32.600 --> 1:57:34.760 You don't need to the label, and the label doesn't 1:57:34.760 --> 1:57:37.280 do as much as they used to do for you know, 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:40.080 for people, which was you know, a long time ago. 1:57:40.240 --> 1:57:42.480 This is before I came into the music business. They 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:46.360 actually would develop the talent, you know, help make. 1:57:46.200 --> 1:57:47.200 You who you became. 1:57:47.320 --> 1:57:51.240 They really helped develop those artists that that was kind 1:57:51.240 --> 1:57:53.920 of gone when I came in. And then now it's 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:55.920 really they just want I don't know, they might as 1:57:55.960 --> 1:57:59.160 well just be distribution because they really just want the 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:01.400 the artists already to be there, have the music, and 1:58:01.920 --> 1:58:05.840 have the audience already via social media. So you know, 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:09.160 but people can so many more artists can make a 1:58:09.200 --> 1:58:11.240 living and they can do really well and be successful 1:58:11.280 --> 1:58:15.200 without that now, so that's a really wonderful thing. 1:58:15.280 --> 1:58:17.760 But you know, regarding the story that you're telling about him, 1:58:18.240 --> 1:58:20.040 you know, only he knows himself. 1:58:20.080 --> 1:58:24.040 Though, so he if he says that, it's probably because 1:58:24.320 --> 1:58:28.200 he recognized what kind of like issues or what kind 1:58:28.200 --> 1:58:30.560 of demons could be awakened if the things that we're 1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:32.360 just like lurking beneath the surface. You know how someone 1:58:32.360 --> 1:58:35.640 could say, like, Okay, maybe if I went down this path, 1:58:35.840 --> 1:58:38.000 I would have done really well with the success, and 1:58:38.080 --> 1:58:39.920 other people can say, actually, if I went down that path, 1:58:39.960 --> 1:58:41.560 I think I would have turned into a really arrogant 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:43.960 jerk because I already could sense that it would have 1:58:44.000 --> 1:58:45.919 been happening like for instance like that. 1:58:46.040 --> 1:58:47.480 So can probably sense. 1:58:48.640 --> 1:58:49.080 No, not me. 1:58:49.160 --> 1:58:54.040 I'm just saying anyone, No, not Medy. 1:58:53.000 --> 1:58:55.240 Just anybody that could say, these are the things that 1:58:55.320 --> 1:58:57.680 I think could be my potential pitfalls and issues, because 1:58:57.880 --> 1:59:01.440 I do believe everything happens for me. Yes, yes, yeah, 1:59:01.520 --> 1:59:03.520 So even if you think, if you are a believer 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:05.880 in that, then you really believe that there are no 1:59:05.920 --> 1:59:08.800 missed opportunities, that no one ever took anything from you, 1:59:08.880 --> 1:59:11.480 because what God has for you is for you, and 1:59:11.480 --> 1:59:13.600 no one can take what is for you if God 1:59:13.640 --> 1:59:14.320 has that for you. 1:59:14.720 --> 1:59:17.040 So it's really just you finding your path. 1:59:16.960 --> 1:59:19.240 And feeling out what that is. 1:59:19.360 --> 1:59:22.280 Because if you believe that God's got you. Then. 1:59:22.320 --> 1:59:26.080 Really, even when like your worst enemy tries to make 1:59:26.120 --> 1:59:29.520 you fall, they're only still they're doing their part in 1:59:29.520 --> 1:59:30.320 God's plan, you know. 1:59:30.320 --> 1:59:30.720 What I mean. 1:59:30.760 --> 1:59:32.520 And that is the fight, and that is the fight 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:34.760 to continue to try to keep your mind like that. 1:59:35.480 --> 1:59:37.120 Yeah, remember that. 1:59:42.480 --> 1:59:46.240 So even though for me one thing is your Monsters single, 1:59:47.400 --> 1:59:50.600 my favorite album of yours is actually because I love it, 1:59:50.960 --> 1:59:52.320 which that. 1:59:52.280 --> 1:59:54.080 Is so interesting. 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:58.200 Well because it also happened to Calice, Like Kalie's second 1:59:58.240 --> 2:00:00.400 album never came out in the United States. 2:00:00.880 --> 2:00:02.120 I had to go overseas to. 2:00:02.080 --> 2:00:06.880 Find Chalicea's Kaleidoscope album and that's the same because I 2:00:06.880 --> 2:00:10.200 love it was all over Europe, but not in America, 2:00:10.560 --> 2:00:12.840 Like what what happened with it? 2:00:12.960 --> 2:00:15.400 Because I love a project in general that it didn't 2:00:15.440 --> 2:00:19.120 get any light whatsoever in the States. 2:00:19.200 --> 2:00:20.120 What label was that? 2:00:20.160 --> 2:00:20.680 What was it? 2:00:20.680 --> 2:00:22.120 Because of Love? It was that Columbia as well. 2:00:22.280 --> 2:00:22.800 Columbia. 2:00:22.960 --> 2:00:24.080 Yeah, okay, that's. 2:00:23.920 --> 2:00:24.920 Probably the last one. 2:00:25.040 --> 2:00:27.320 That's what I was really thinking of leaving the label 2:00:28.160 --> 2:00:30.960 because it's just like even when I wanted this single, 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:33.360 it's like it was like so hard to move and 2:00:33.480 --> 2:00:36.440 like to do anything, and then. 2:00:36.360 --> 2:00:37.360 We were going to release it. 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:39.120 And it was like, Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna come 2:00:39.160 --> 2:00:40.840 out in the States, and I was like, but why 2:00:40.880 --> 2:00:42.760 are they coming out at different times? We live in 2:00:42.800 --> 2:00:45.240 the Internet era, just it should be one date. I 2:00:45.240 --> 2:00:47.560 don't believe in this different dates for this and that 2:00:48.280 --> 2:00:49.760 I have fans that are going to be like, hey, 2:00:49.760 --> 2:00:51.800 I didn't get the album, so what what is the 2:00:51.880 --> 2:00:54.120 good reason for having them come out at different times? 2:00:54.280 --> 2:00:55.760 Oh, We'll just do that. And I was like, I 2:00:55.800 --> 2:00:56.160 don't know. 2:00:56.240 --> 2:01:01.080 I'm feeling like that is just leaving it possible that 2:01:01.120 --> 2:01:03.480 it doesn't even have a US release. I wasn't really 2:01:03.680 --> 2:01:07.360 confident in them at this point regarding them following through. 2:01:08.080 --> 2:01:10.720 So I really that was just completely. 2:01:10.360 --> 2:01:14.520 Out of my hands regarding why and that that album. 2:01:15.080 --> 2:01:17.200 I'm really proud of that album. It's not perfect, you 2:01:17.200 --> 2:01:19.560 know what I mean. I can definitely be critical of it. 2:01:19.920 --> 2:01:24.360 I loved it, Like the ship you did with the Bchanons, 2:01:24.560 --> 2:01:28.320 like then't make me be believed thing that kids. 2:01:28.080 --> 2:01:30.760 Are so great. I just was just asking after them. 2:01:30.920 --> 2:01:32.240 Actually I got. 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:35.760 Matter of fact, we still when I heard that, we 2:01:36.520 --> 2:01:42.360 to this day do that flip whenever the roots do 2:01:42.440 --> 2:01:44.960 the seed like I played the Ship out out of 2:01:44.960 --> 2:01:47.640 that song when it first came out, like DJing and whatnot? 2:01:48.200 --> 2:01:51.440 Shit you also worked with them from Formerly of the Youngsters. 2:01:51.560 --> 2:01:57.960 Karan, Yeah, Karan did. Uh he did some like it. 2:01:58.000 --> 2:02:02.800 I believe he a little bit. You know, it's weird 2:02:02.920 --> 2:02:04.760 I thought initially I thought. 2:02:04.560 --> 2:02:06.680 It was Actually that was mostly me and Lenny did 2:02:06.720 --> 2:02:07.080 that one. 2:02:07.320 --> 2:02:07.440 Now. 2:02:07.840 --> 2:02:09.600 Yeah, I was going to say you and Lenny came 2:02:09.800 --> 2:02:12.080 like also would hate to Love you, which I thought 2:02:12.800 --> 2:02:14.320 was outstanding. 2:02:14.800 --> 2:02:17.440 Thank you did? I love you hate to love you too? 2:02:17.440 --> 2:02:17.920 Who did that? 2:02:17.920 --> 2:02:19.400 That was you did? 2:02:19.760 --> 2:02:24.680 But we're also no, not that one up? 2:02:24.800 --> 2:02:26.000 Yeah, one up? 2:02:26.040 --> 2:02:29.640 And went also I love to create tracks while we're 2:02:29.640 --> 2:02:31.880 creating the song like that way we can you know 2:02:31.920 --> 2:02:32.280 what I mean? 2:02:32.280 --> 2:02:34.080 Like it's really like musicianship that way. 2:02:34.120 --> 2:02:36.640 It's it's not just like writing to a track, it's 2:02:36.760 --> 2:02:38.400 just something that's living. 2:02:38.120 --> 2:02:42.120 And breathing by this point where you rich creatively, Like, 2:02:42.200 --> 2:02:43.440 are you guys not working? 2:02:43.640 --> 2:02:44.560 Was there a tension there? 2:02:44.640 --> 2:02:50.960 What? No, there's no tension. But I have to see 2:02:50.960 --> 2:02:53.080 what he's doing. And we haven't spoken in a long 2:02:53.120 --> 2:02:56.600 time as of today. As of today, we haven't spoken 2:02:56.640 --> 2:02:57.000 because I. 2:02:56.920 --> 2:02:59.000 Could have just heard you say something like it is 2:02:59.040 --> 2:03:01.040 a potential for some thing in the future with the 2:03:01.080 --> 2:03:01.560 two of you. 2:03:01.920 --> 2:03:04.880 Always there, always is. I just have to literally be like, hey, 2:03:04.920 --> 2:03:07.120 what's going on? Because for a second he wasn't doing. 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:08.680 Any music for I was not to say, is he 2:03:08.720 --> 2:03:10.040 actively still working? 2:03:10.240 --> 2:03:13.120 I don't know if he is now, but before he 2:03:13.200 --> 2:03:16.400 wasn't and then he was again, So I'm thinking that 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:19.320 he still is, but just some just cooking. 2:03:19.840 --> 2:03:21.880 What state does he live in? I just he's such 2:03:21.880 --> 2:03:23.680 a mystery. What state does richer. 2:03:24.120 --> 2:03:25.640 I'm not gonna say, because I don't know if he 2:03:25.680 --> 2:03:26.680 wants to anyone to know. 2:03:26.920 --> 2:03:29.680 Say city. I just is he okay, see in this country? 2:03:30.200 --> 2:03:32.920 Okay, I'm assuming he's still in the country unless he's 2:03:32.960 --> 2:03:34.080 unless he's just visiting somewhere. 2:03:34.120 --> 2:03:34.880 But yeah, he listens. 2:03:35.280 --> 2:03:38.960 I hope he's still a DMV, but I hope. But yeah, 2:03:39.000 --> 2:03:41.400 So what is the division of labor between the two? 2:03:41.520 --> 2:03:44.120 Like working in the studio? Do you work from soup 2:03:44.160 --> 2:03:47.040 to nuts together? In terms of that would have been. 2:03:46.920 --> 2:03:49.120 The idea for this next time, if we do something 2:03:49.160 --> 2:03:53.720 together again, we'll be doing it like that, like because 2:03:53.760 --> 2:03:56.480 my face, I don't know if that's like his his 2:03:56.600 --> 2:03:59.440 zone though, but he's a musician, so I know he can. 2:03:59.600 --> 2:04:01.400 I just don't know if he's comfortable doing that. 2:04:01.720 --> 2:04:04.480 The favorite way I like to work is I'm at 2:04:04.480 --> 2:04:07.480 the mic and they got the musicians here. 2:04:08.000 --> 2:04:08.480 I did this. 2:04:08.480 --> 2:04:10.840 Session of where I went in with a producer and 2:04:11.000 --> 2:04:12.800 it was like, let's just play, let's just let's just 2:04:12.800 --> 2:04:13.600 see what happens. 2:04:13.680 --> 2:04:16.560 Just let's just feel it out. Got these vibes and 2:04:16.600 --> 2:04:17.400 he was like, okay, well, you know what. 2:04:17.400 --> 2:04:19.760 I'm gonna bring some I a guitarist in, I'm gonna 2:04:19.760 --> 2:04:21.400 bring in some piano, a couple of pianists. 2:04:22.080 --> 2:04:24.760 Let's just do it. I'm like, okay, it was gonna just. 2:04:24.760 --> 2:04:26.480 Be really a meeting and it's just like, let's just 2:04:26.640 --> 2:04:28.480 but I always like to the reserve room to play, 2:04:28.600 --> 2:04:31.440 just because you never know what happens. And we were 2:04:31.480 --> 2:04:33.880 just like in there and I just stand at the 2:04:33.920 --> 2:04:35.560 mic and then it's like, give me a you know, 2:04:35.600 --> 2:04:38.800 something like this, something deeper, okay, add something in, like 2:04:38.960 --> 2:04:41.560 some piano now or something. Then I'll just give those 2:04:41.600 --> 2:04:45.160 general directions. Right. Sometimes I'm specifical. I'm literally like do that, 2:04:46.840 --> 2:04:48.560 you know, I'll be very specific. 2:04:48.080 --> 2:04:48.720 But sometimes not. 2:04:48.960 --> 2:04:51.480 And then so the producer was also like getting them 2:04:51.520 --> 2:04:53.080 together while I was like, yeah, this feels like this, 2:04:53.320 --> 2:04:54.800 give me a little something like that, and I turn 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:56.520 off all the lights so it's very dark, so kind 2:04:56.520 --> 2:04:57.960 of it's hard for people to work for a second. 2:04:57.960 --> 2:04:59.600 They only have the lights of the board and the 2:04:59.600 --> 2:05:01.840 stuff are around them because it has to be like 2:05:02.440 --> 2:05:05.680 boom dark for me. So then I'm just like I'll 2:05:05.720 --> 2:05:08.640 just start singing stuff and I like do the lyrics 2:05:08.720 --> 2:05:10.760 as I'm just filling out the melody, and I'll just 2:05:10.800 --> 2:05:12.960 start saying stuff. But I'll just be like laying it 2:05:13.000 --> 2:05:16.520 out and then it's like, oh, now we're adding in 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:19.960 building and we built some songs like that. We had 2:05:19.960 --> 2:05:23.960 like fifteen dope records just from that one evening. That's 2:05:24.000 --> 2:05:26.360 my favorite way to work. And then we can figure 2:05:26.400 --> 2:05:28.120 out what to take further, you know what I mean, 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:31.760 and what musically what's going on. But we've got the 2:05:31.800 --> 2:05:33.920 feel of it, the sound of it. That's my favorite 2:05:33.920 --> 2:05:36.200 way to work. I don't like to get a track 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:37.480 and be like write something to the. 2:05:37.400 --> 2:05:40.040 Track, write something I don't know. 2:05:40.040 --> 2:05:41.640 It's not my I don't really like that because I 2:05:41.640 --> 2:05:45.680 feel already boxed in already, you know, and that's not 2:05:45.720 --> 2:05:46.920 the melody that's in my head. 2:05:47.040 --> 2:05:48.920 It's in a whole different key and it's not that vibe. 2:05:49.240 --> 2:05:54.240 So again, I'm only laughing because I prefer to work 2:05:54.280 --> 2:05:58.160 the way that rich does, Like I need silence and 2:05:58.240 --> 2:06:00.879 I need isolate, because if I'm in front of somebody, 2:06:01.800 --> 2:06:06.840 I'll be less. Steve's my has been my engineer since 2:06:07.840 --> 2:06:11.080 since you got your driver's license. Yeah, yeah, before I 2:06:11.080 --> 2:06:15.720 got much driver's license. Like, Steve has engineered all the 2:06:15.760 --> 2:06:21.160 common stuff. He was there for all of the D'Angelo stuff, 2:06:21.200 --> 2:06:24.480 like all that stuff. So you know, I don't feel 2:06:24.560 --> 2:06:28.120 stupid or silly when I'm trying to experiment that may 2:06:28.200 --> 2:06:32.640 or may not work, you know. But oftentimes I'll feel 2:06:32.680 --> 2:06:36.120 like if people are in the room, it's too much pressure. 2:06:36.600 --> 2:06:38.760 Yeah you are afraid to mess up? 2:06:39.480 --> 2:06:42.760 Well yeah, But then also like I'll be in a 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:47.760 situation where one particular artist wants to be there from 2:06:47.800 --> 2:06:50.680 the suit to nuts thing instead of like, here's what 2:06:50.760 --> 2:06:55.640 I prepared for you, and oftentimes I'll have to I 2:06:55.680 --> 2:06:58.680 did this once to a client where I already had 2:06:58.720 --> 2:07:02.800 the song down, but I literally spent five hours acting like, 2:07:03.400 --> 2:07:05.879 oh my gosh, I did. 2:07:05.280 --> 2:07:08.120 Just so many situations here do you do this to 2:07:08.160 --> 2:07:10.920 your you know what you're still not for confrontational. We 2:07:10.960 --> 2:07:11.960 need to talk about that. 2:07:12.520 --> 2:07:14.880 I just learned the word no like five years ago. 2:07:15.000 --> 2:07:17.840 So no, i'm me now. 2:07:19.000 --> 2:07:21.480 But yeah, I put on this, I put on a 2:07:21.560 --> 2:07:26.640 whole horse and pony show and accidentally wound up into 2:07:26.640 --> 2:07:31.040 the idea that. 2:07:30.840 --> 2:07:33.360 I can't I can't believe you did that. But from 2:07:33.400 --> 2:07:36.040 what you told me last year spoke, I can. 2:07:36.840 --> 2:07:40.400 I can't believe that you spent five hours with tending 2:07:40.840 --> 2:07:42.880 that you were coming up with something because you're so 2:07:42.960 --> 2:07:45.640 sweet and non and you were non confidation. 2:07:45.880 --> 2:07:47.880 That was old me. This This was back in like 2:07:47.880 --> 2:07:48.800 twenty fourteen. 2:07:48.920 --> 2:07:54.360 No, now, I'm I am new in my communications. 2:07:54.360 --> 2:07:55.960 You set up like, all right. 2:07:55.960 --> 2:07:59.080 You're working on it. You are in progress, he's in progress. 2:07:59.280 --> 2:08:02.080 I can understand you needing that time because see, even 2:08:02.120 --> 2:08:05.000 if I'm there we're doing this thing, I have closed sessions. 2:08:05.040 --> 2:08:07.200 I don't like you know, people are in there. They 2:08:07.200 --> 2:08:08.840 don't have to be in there because then it gets 2:08:08.880 --> 2:08:10.480 like uncomfortable and all. So you want to be able 2:08:10.480 --> 2:08:11.840 to feel free to make mistakes. 2:08:12.080 --> 2:08:16.000 But also like if I was writing a record, if 2:08:16.000 --> 2:08:17.360 I was writing a record at. 2:08:17.240 --> 2:08:24.120 Hard about your ship, I got you. 2:08:24.120 --> 2:08:25.920 No, I understand that you would want to finish your 2:08:25.920 --> 2:08:28.560 thought and be like, let me finish my thought, like 2:08:28.920 --> 2:08:29.480 in peace. 2:08:29.960 --> 2:08:31.200 Because if I'm writing. 2:08:30.880 --> 2:08:32.880 A song or something like that for someone else, or 2:08:32.920 --> 2:08:35.600 just even if I was just writing something for me, 2:08:35.880 --> 2:08:38.760 but the music was done. If if there are other 2:08:38.760 --> 2:08:41.440 writers in the room, and usually there aren't, because I 2:08:41.920 --> 2:08:44.160 find it hard to work with other writers, no, because 2:08:44.160 --> 2:08:48.800 they never say what I would say, no, because they 2:08:48.840 --> 2:08:51.080 never say it. Then that's when you I'm sorry, but 2:08:51.080 --> 2:08:52.920 that's when you come out with something like none of 2:08:52.920 --> 2:08:55.120 the chicks like this. The chicks like me sing. You 2:08:55.120 --> 2:08:56.760 walk into the room and I'm like, that's not even me. 2:08:56.800 --> 2:08:58.680 I would never say that, and I would never feel 2:08:58.680 --> 2:09:06.480 like all these other girls are trash but I'm so great. 2:09:06.480 --> 2:09:08.040 It get jump inded it out like that. You get 2:09:08.040 --> 2:09:08.560 stuff like. 2:09:08.520 --> 2:09:11.280 That, and meanwhile, e Marie, it's funny as you say that, 2:09:11.320 --> 2:09:13.280 I'm curious what's moving you these days. I would never 2:09:13.280 --> 2:09:15.000 ask you the elementary question of like what are you 2:09:15.040 --> 2:09:15.440 listening to? 2:09:15.640 --> 2:09:16.480 But what? 2:09:16.760 --> 2:09:18.440 Well, let me say first, let me finish. 2:09:18.920 --> 2:09:20.080 Okay, I'm sorry. 2:09:20.400 --> 2:09:22.000 The other people I've worked with that did not because 2:09:22.000 --> 2:09:23.400 they might well we worked together. 2:09:23.440 --> 2:09:25.840 I was like giving you stuff like that, so that's 2:09:25.880 --> 2:09:27.400 not I was being facetious. 2:09:27.440 --> 2:09:29.400 That's not all that comes out of it. 2:09:29.760 --> 2:09:31.800 But I have to be particular with the writers I 2:09:31.840 --> 2:09:35.040 work with because they do have to know me and 2:09:35.120 --> 2:09:37.000 what I would say and how I was saying. Now, 2:09:37.000 --> 2:09:38.560 I'm also a writer, like a fictional write, you know 2:09:38.600 --> 2:09:40.000 what I mean, Like words are important. 2:09:40.160 --> 2:09:42.320 What I say and how I say it is really important. 2:09:42.680 --> 2:09:47.240 So yeah, so, but but I've worked with really talented 2:09:47.280 --> 2:09:50.600 writers and when we gel, we gel, and then I 2:09:50.680 --> 2:09:53.839 know like they'll you know, that's what's great about rich too. 2:09:54.760 --> 2:09:56.000 Person or just a music person. 2:09:57.760 --> 2:09:59.680 He can be with the lyrics too, but his stuff 2:09:59.680 --> 2:10:02.280 would I think it's melody and feel and like the 2:10:02.840 --> 2:10:06.000 rhythm of the word. What I mean? Okay, And then 2:10:06.240 --> 2:10:08.680 you were asking me something about what am I into now? 2:10:09.280 --> 2:10:13.000 No, I said, musically, what is moved for you these days? 2:10:13.840 --> 2:10:14.760 Here's a thing about me. 2:10:14.800 --> 2:10:17.800 I'm kind of weird and I sometimes feel uncomfortable honestly 2:10:17.880 --> 2:10:19.400 having music related interviews. 2:10:19.440 --> 2:10:21.720 I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. 2:10:21.920 --> 2:10:22.960 I'm trying to get the books. 2:10:23.960 --> 2:10:25.200 No, No, I usually don't. 2:10:26.400 --> 2:10:30.560 I'm just saying because I feel like people will be like, dang, well, 2:10:30.560 --> 2:10:34.160 she's not listening to anything no more. Her habits are weird, 2:10:34.240 --> 2:10:36.160 and so I feel like I don't I don't really 2:10:36.160 --> 2:10:37.000 want to talk about. 2:10:36.800 --> 2:10:41.520 It because you're not supposed to care, supposed to be free, 2:10:41.720 --> 2:10:43.000 say what you feel, okay. 2:10:43.320 --> 2:10:45.480 I usually will go through pockets of time where I 2:10:45.520 --> 2:10:47.760 listen to no music. It might be half a year 2:10:47.760 --> 2:10:49.880 where I don't listen to anything, or it might just 2:10:49.920 --> 2:10:54.320 be instrumental or if I'm listening to music because I 2:10:54.520 --> 2:10:57.280 do that because I don't listen to music so much. 2:10:58.240 --> 2:11:01.800 I listen to music that came out years ago as 2:11:01.840 --> 2:11:03.040 if it just came out. 2:11:03.680 --> 2:11:05.960 So it's new to me. 2:11:06.280 --> 2:11:08.400 But the interesting thing is I do get a feel 2:11:08.440 --> 2:11:11.080 for what can last and not feel old right although 2:11:11.120 --> 2:11:12.840 I'm like, well I don't really know what's the new 2:11:12.880 --> 2:11:16.000 things like whatever. But so I'll be listening to something 2:11:16.080 --> 2:11:20.680 right now and playing it out like but it's. 2:11:20.520 --> 2:11:21.680 Like they don't look. 2:11:22.000 --> 2:11:26.520 Then I'll look and I'm like, oh, DAGs fourteen years old? 2:11:27.240 --> 2:11:29.840 This no, but like I'll be like, this album's really dope. 2:11:30.000 --> 2:11:30.520 I like this. 2:11:30.640 --> 2:11:33.120 Oh wait, oh he came out with this on twent fifteen, Well, 2:11:33.480 --> 2:11:36.720 well great job, you know what I mean. It's like late. 2:11:37.320 --> 2:11:38.960 So I'm listening right now. Actually, I've been listening to 2:11:39.000 --> 2:11:41.520 a lot of Chris Brown, right, Chris Brown. 2:11:41.400 --> 2:11:42.920 But he put out something every month. 2:11:43.280 --> 2:11:46.400 Oh yeah, I'm. 2:11:45.720 --> 2:11:49.600 Not as late on Chris Brown stuff because but still 2:11:49.720 --> 2:11:51.520 some of the songs I am a little late on, 2:11:51.600 --> 2:11:52.400 and they're new to me. 2:11:53.120 --> 2:11:57.320 This is precisely the reason why I have you on 2:11:57.360 --> 2:11:58.360 the subscription list. 2:11:59.320 --> 2:12:01.480 I know you said, Okay, so you do know that 2:12:01.520 --> 2:12:04.080 you're sending it to me. Honestly, I'm just like us. 2:12:04.600 --> 2:12:06.400 I always feel like you're sending it to me, but 2:12:06.560 --> 2:12:07.720 like you're not even realized. 2:12:07.720 --> 2:12:10.000 I'm just a number. I'm I'm just a notch in 2:12:10.000 --> 2:12:10.320 your head. 2:12:10.360 --> 2:12:14.320 There are one of four hundred and thirty eight people. Wow, Okay, 2:12:14.320 --> 2:12:17.720 but no, no, no, I don't do it. I literally 2:12:18.400 --> 2:12:20.040 I say, a lot of friends. 2:12:20.080 --> 2:12:21.360 Do you have a lot of friends? So is that 2:12:21.440 --> 2:12:22.240 special for you? 2:12:22.600 --> 2:12:22.760 Is that? 2:12:23.200 --> 2:12:25.560 Is that a small There's all right? 2:12:25.640 --> 2:12:28.240 This is what I do. I do it for two reasons. 2:12:28.760 --> 2:12:34.680 Okay, Primarily I know that people my age and adjacent 2:12:34.760 --> 2:12:35.520 to my age. 2:12:35.920 --> 2:12:37.280 I'm twenty four. What are you talking about? 2:12:37.320 --> 2:12:38.440 But okay, keep exactly. 2:12:38.560 --> 2:12:46.080 That's so I know that oftentimes we'll get comfortable in 2:12:46.120 --> 2:12:50.400 our comfort zone and Our comfort zone is the seventy 2:12:50.400 --> 2:12:54.680 five songs we know you know this Stevie Wonder song, 2:12:55.760 --> 2:12:59.840 that that song, And we'll tend to our gym list. 2:13:00.200 --> 2:13:04.720 Our walking lists are Sunday Afternoon cleaning a house mixed. 2:13:04.760 --> 2:13:06.000 Oh my god, that's all my playlist. 2:13:06.040 --> 2:13:06.920 I love it. Okay, go ahead. 2:13:07.440 --> 2:13:10.600 So we tend to get trapped in that. So number one, 2:13:10.680 --> 2:13:15.680 I do it because you know, it started with one person. 2:13:16.320 --> 2:13:16.920 Is that what it is? 2:13:16.960 --> 2:13:19.640 It started with one person and then it wound up 2:13:19.640 --> 2:13:22.360 being ten people, and then one of those ten people 2:13:22.480 --> 2:13:25.160 told the world and then they were like, where's my list? 2:13:25.680 --> 2:13:27.480 And then it wound up being four hundred and thirty 2:13:27.480 --> 2:13:28.040 something people. 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:31.600 You're one of those the million, because they're not the 2:13:31.640 --> 2:13:33.960 four hundred you put These are the playless conversations. You're 2:13:33.960 --> 2:13:35.960 talking about your Spotify situations. 2:13:36.200 --> 2:13:40.120 Yeah, will actually text. I keep the text from his phone, 2:13:40.240 --> 2:13:41.720 and you know, but because it's like. 2:13:41.680 --> 2:13:44.720 You know text, I individually go through all four hundred 2:13:44.720 --> 2:13:48.440 and thirty eight names twice a month and send them. 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:53.200 It should take to everybody. 2:13:53.560 --> 2:13:55.200 This should takes nineteen hours to do. 2:13:55.640 --> 2:13:58.200 We want I feel less special. 2:13:58.680 --> 2:14:01.080 I want you to know I'm in that four So 2:14:01.240 --> 2:14:03.160 I'm just gonna sit here and ask you to send 2:14:03.160 --> 2:14:03.960 me those for later. 2:14:05.120 --> 2:14:07.080 Fine, Lai, yeah, you will be four hundred and thirty 2:14:07.160 --> 2:14:10.200 nine people. No, But but when I got the three hundred, 2:14:10.280 --> 2:14:11.800 I was like, I can't do it no more. My 2:14:11.840 --> 2:14:15.720 hands are hurting. And then if people tell me, yo, 2:14:15.760 --> 2:14:18.040 I'll come in on the list, then I do it. 2:14:18.120 --> 2:14:20.360 See you just said I'll come on the list. 2:14:20.720 --> 2:14:21.760 So I did it. 2:14:21.840 --> 2:14:24.840 But the second reason why I do it, okay, it 2:14:24.960 --> 2:14:30.440 is because it forces me to constantly search for music, 2:14:31.360 --> 2:14:34.960 because at this age, I too can get stubborn and 2:14:35.040 --> 2:14:35.640 just stuck in. 2:14:36.720 --> 2:14:39.280 All right, I'm just gonna listen to prints for the next. 2:14:39.080 --> 2:14:42.680 Eight months and stay in that cycle and miss all 2:14:42.720 --> 2:14:48.480 that behind me. So in this process I go through about, realistically, 2:14:48.520 --> 2:14:52.400 three hundred songs a week, and of those three hundred songs, 2:14:53.240 --> 2:14:57.640 maybe eleven are cool and so I'll just stuck up. 2:14:58.680 --> 2:15:00.720 Yeah, So that's why do it. 2:15:00.760 --> 2:15:03.680 So it's hard, I feel special, and I think that 2:15:04.320 --> 2:15:06.880 it totally makes it. Everything that you said totally makes sense. 2:15:07.600 --> 2:15:10.600 The thing about it is that if like, I'm always 2:15:10.680 --> 2:15:15.280 thinking all the time, right, so I usually am like 2:15:16.000 --> 2:15:17.840 the kind of the way that I like take in 2:15:17.840 --> 2:15:20.880 information is like this is what I'm in and I'm 2:15:20.960 --> 2:15:22.240 in this for like I'm in. 2:15:22.320 --> 2:15:23.680 Trench for this amount of time. 2:15:24.040 --> 2:15:26.000 It could be months and months, it could be a year, 2:15:26.080 --> 2:15:28.680 and that's all I'm doing. If I'm not eating and 2:15:28.720 --> 2:15:31.040 taking care of my family, I am just doing that. 2:15:31.400 --> 2:15:33.400 And then I'm super in this and that. So I 2:15:33.160 --> 2:15:34.480 can I feel like I can have a lot of 2:15:34.520 --> 2:15:37.280 in depth knowledge on different things because I spent like 2:15:37.600 --> 2:15:38.560 time and trenching it. 2:15:38.840 --> 2:15:39.520 The issue with. 2:15:39.560 --> 2:15:42.400 Music and listening to music, because someone was recently asking me, 2:15:42.440 --> 2:15:44.360 like this summer, when you told me you didn't listen 2:15:44.400 --> 2:15:46.680 to music like that, I was like what. I was 2:15:46.760 --> 2:15:48.920 kind of sad and I was like what really, And 2:15:48.960 --> 2:15:50.400 they were like, I use it for everything I do 2:15:50.440 --> 2:15:52.200 And I was like, yeah, but I can't do that 2:15:52.240 --> 2:15:54.480 because here's the thing. If I listen to music, I 2:15:54.520 --> 2:15:57.320 won't ever stop. If I listen to music, I start 2:15:57.360 --> 2:15:58.480 thinking about what project I want to do. 2:15:58.520 --> 2:16:00.760 I want to do this. Then I'm thinking about this. 2:16:00.720 --> 2:16:03.040 And that and the colors of that and what I 2:16:03.080 --> 2:16:04.880 want to create and what do they do? 2:16:04.960 --> 2:16:07.440 And that's really interesting and now going down a rabbit hole. 2:16:07.680 --> 2:16:10.640 I will do nothing else but only that, And so 2:16:10.880 --> 2:16:12.840 I get in my moments where I'm like, I'm into 2:16:13.320 --> 2:16:14.800 some history thing grabs me. 2:16:15.120 --> 2:16:17.040 I'm pouring the internet, I'm. 2:16:16.920 --> 2:16:19.880 Pouring books to learn about this particular thing. Or like 2:16:19.960 --> 2:16:23.360 right now, I've been very like into geopolitics. So I'm 2:16:23.400 --> 2:16:26.680 all about, like the economy, geopolitics. That's all my videos. 2:16:26.720 --> 2:16:29.600 If I'm exercising, it's geopolitics. If i'm you know, I 2:16:29.600 --> 2:16:31.400 had to you know, go to the doctor and get 2:16:31.400 --> 2:16:32.040 a shower or whatever. 2:16:32.120 --> 2:16:32.400 It is. 2:16:32.840 --> 2:16:36.000 My distraction thing is the geopolitical thing on the economy 2:16:36.000 --> 2:16:38.240 and what happened to the middle class. Like I am 2:16:38.800 --> 2:16:42.920 in that, and that's all I can do because the 2:16:43.480 --> 2:16:46.640 I process my information at night, I talk to myself. 2:16:46.879 --> 2:16:50.280 So at nighttime usually whether i'm you know, in the 2:16:50.320 --> 2:16:53.760 shower or whatever, people will hear me. Well, I don't 2:16:53.760 --> 2:16:55.320 think that this is it because first of all, the 2:16:55.360 --> 2:16:56.879 reason why you do that, And people might come in 2:16:56.920 --> 2:17:01.560 and be like, well, I'm talking to me, I'm talking, 2:17:01.800 --> 2:17:06.520 I'm talking to me, and so I'm like, just you know, cure, 2:17:06.959 --> 2:17:09.840 it's a lot. Someone was like, dang Amory, sometimes you 2:17:09.879 --> 2:17:12.040 can be a lot like being around I'm like doing 2:17:12.080 --> 2:17:14.000 about how I feel I have to live with me 2:17:14.080 --> 2:17:15.320 and I can't escape myself. 2:17:19.840 --> 2:17:22.520 You're taking in a lot of podcasts, a lot of books, 2:17:22.879 --> 2:17:24.920 a lot of so using. When a person takes in 2:17:24.959 --> 2:17:28.800 a lot of information, it usually to gather and sort 2:17:28.840 --> 2:17:31.360 the information so that they can. 2:17:31.680 --> 2:17:34.840 Do something with it, do something with it. What is 2:17:34.879 --> 2:17:35.640 your end game? 2:17:36.440 --> 2:17:39.320 That's what I'm trying to figure out. And that's that's 2:17:39.400 --> 2:17:42.560 because I'm revisiting that question. Before I had a lot 2:17:42.560 --> 2:17:45.480 of information and I remember thinking, I all this information, 2:17:45.520 --> 2:17:47.080 I need to put a put this in like a book, 2:17:47.120 --> 2:17:49.000 and I was thinking of doing that, and I've done 2:17:49.040 --> 2:17:51.480 some of that. But then I was thinking, okay, you're 2:17:51.520 --> 2:17:54.280 doing all these things. And then yes, there are a 2:17:54.320 --> 2:17:55.680 couple of people who are like, you need to do 2:17:55.760 --> 2:17:58.840 like a podcast, you need to do that, and I'm like, okay, 2:17:58.959 --> 2:18:02.440 do I though, like, okay, one in one universe, I 2:18:02.480 --> 2:18:05.400 do do that. Uh And people love me and they 2:18:05.440 --> 2:18:11.080 also hate my guts. So there's the information information, but 2:18:11.080 --> 2:18:13.200 they love the information, you know. But so I'm saying 2:18:13.200 --> 2:18:15.480 that there's there's that, and I think it would do 2:18:15.520 --> 2:18:19.360 really well actually, But then the question is because they 2:18:19.400 --> 2:18:20.800 were like, but you know all this stuff, and I 2:18:20.840 --> 2:18:24.400 was like, but then the question is is everything always 2:18:24.440 --> 2:18:27.840 to be commodified know a lot of things. 2:18:27.840 --> 2:18:29.720 Does it mean like I need to try to get 2:18:29.720 --> 2:18:31.039 famous in this lane with it? 2:18:31.280 --> 2:18:33.640 I mean, can you just have information to have information 2:18:33.760 --> 2:18:36.840 to inform how you live and what you do? Or 2:18:36.959 --> 2:18:40.800 is it like worthless unless you get big off of it? 2:18:41.680 --> 2:18:43.040 And then that's a question. I don't know. 2:18:43.120 --> 2:18:48.199 That's right there. Yeah, that's a you know what I'm saying, 2:18:48.400 --> 2:18:49.480 very valid, very valid. 2:18:49.560 --> 2:18:53.160 Well, I just sent you your. 2:18:51.440 --> 2:18:56.480 Own mix of what I'm listening to now, which isn't music. 2:18:57.040 --> 2:19:01.760 It's literally tones, because yes, I know what it is. 2:19:01.640 --> 2:19:07.240 For your brain to constantly in thinking mode. I sent it, 2:19:07.560 --> 2:19:11.360 you send me. I just yes, what is this? 2:19:12.879 --> 2:19:13.440 Listen to it? 2:19:13.560 --> 2:19:19.440 I listened so basically, Layah. It is where Fante always 2:19:19.440 --> 2:19:22.200 clowned me. You know, like when Spotify snitches on you 2:19:22.240 --> 2:19:24.760 and says you've been listening to you know, it gives you, 2:19:24.800 --> 2:19:28.520 like your top five what you've been listening to, and 2:19:28.560 --> 2:19:31.360 people look at my things like, wait, there's no music 2:19:31.400 --> 2:19:35.680 on here, so all I do, Layah, it's tones of 2:19:35.879 --> 2:19:38.120 hurts where I'll send it to you. 2:19:38.280 --> 2:19:38.680 Layah. 2:19:38.879 --> 2:19:42.959 It's just it's a chord that you know, what you 2:19:43.040 --> 2:19:44.840 listen to when you go to the spa. You hear 2:19:44.879 --> 2:19:48.920 the like eight wait a minute, time out, It's like 2:19:48.959 --> 2:19:49.320 the sound. 2:19:50.080 --> 2:19:52.959 Remember I told you about my project Simatica. Remember I 2:19:53.000 --> 2:19:55.720 told you that's the whole cimatic of the trilogy. That's 2:19:55.920 --> 2:19:58.240 my long I'm going to put it together. I have 2:19:58.320 --> 2:20:00.200 three songs I want to keep from it, but I 2:20:00.200 --> 2:20:03.240 wanted to record it actually in I was going to 2:20:03.320 --> 2:20:04.360 record it in either four. 2:20:04.560 --> 2:20:06.440 Now am I doing four thirty two? But like the 2:20:06.440 --> 2:20:08.000 frequencies we talked as a. 2:20:07.959 --> 2:20:12.920 Frequency Rogers, I hardly knew ye, she's a Helen nerds, 2:20:13.040 --> 2:20:14.640 blurred blurred power. 2:20:14.800 --> 2:20:16.120 He's like reset. 2:20:16.200 --> 2:20:17.680 You're like, is it Vargus nurse? 2:20:17.840 --> 2:20:19.279 Is it parison? But that paris? 2:20:19.920 --> 2:20:24.240 Yeah, you're nervousness. I tell you, I get into something. 2:20:24.360 --> 2:20:25.039 I get a. 2:20:28.640 --> 2:20:30.879 Dude, I feel like I'm on the Nard War episode 2:20:30.959 --> 2:20:31.240 right now? 2:20:31.800 --> 2:20:33.960 What does a Marie mean? Is that what we're missing? 2:20:34.000 --> 2:20:35.680 Is that what we're missing? Did your parents do all along? 2:20:35.680 --> 2:20:36.200 What does Amrie? 2:20:36.360 --> 2:20:39.039 My mom made it? My maid made it? 2:20:39.440 --> 2:20:39.920 Okay? 2:20:39.920 --> 2:20:42.800 Oh yeah, I'm glad you said it to me because 2:20:42.840 --> 2:20:44.080 I was listening to it because I was like, you 2:20:44.120 --> 2:20:47.840 need to like heal, you need some like healing vibes. 2:20:47.879 --> 2:20:51.240 But this is the rabbit holest of all Quest Loups, 2:20:51.240 --> 2:20:52.279 supreme rabbit hole. 2:20:52.200 --> 2:20:54.120 Similar to the Bulge, y'all making it sound like the bulge. 2:20:54.160 --> 2:20:55.320 Y'all know that right, like it's sounding. 2:20:55.640 --> 2:20:58.320 We're gonna do another episode where we just talk about 2:20:58.400 --> 2:21:01.040 your world of books. I literally thought when we did 2:21:01.080 --> 2:21:04.320 this episode, we were going to talk about us an author, 2:21:04.480 --> 2:21:06.920 you as a book club person, because you really got 2:21:07.000 --> 2:21:07.640 me in the game. 2:21:08.080 --> 2:21:10.199 Oh yes, my ninth. 2:21:10.040 --> 2:21:13.520 Book coming out soon, the Kid book I wrote, my 2:21:13.600 --> 2:21:17.360 first kid Yes, yes, exactly beautiful. I will be like 2:21:17.480 --> 2:21:20.640 she she got me into the rabbit hole. But we 2:21:20.959 --> 2:21:24.680 obviously this can go on for twelve hours, but we 2:21:24.800 --> 2:21:26.720 do have to wrap up. Listen, can we do a 2:21:26.800 --> 2:21:27.560 retreat with Marie? 2:21:27.600 --> 2:21:29.039 I feel like it's a it's a it's an event, 2:21:29.360 --> 2:21:30.680 like we need a retreat. We need to do some 2:21:30.800 --> 2:21:31.400 sound baths. 2:21:31.480 --> 2:21:34.480 We need to you know, we would sound bask sing. 2:21:35.080 --> 2:21:38.800 We would have some political conversation, exchange the books, have 2:21:38.959 --> 2:21:41.320 some debates, a political exchange. 2:21:41.600 --> 2:21:43.320 A Marie is about to be the next member of 2:21:43.400 --> 2:21:44.000 Quest Left. 2:21:49.200 --> 2:21:50.280 Would you guess you could? 2:21:50.400 --> 2:21:54.680 That'll be dope special special, whatever whatever you would like 2:21:54.800 --> 2:21:55.760 or whatever you would invite me to. 2:21:55.879 --> 2:21:56.240 I'm there. 2:21:56.600 --> 2:21:59.080 Okay, Wow, it's not a party. 2:21:59.280 --> 2:21:59.880 No, I'm kidding. 2:22:00.400 --> 2:22:01.320 Awesome, you're not. 2:22:01.920 --> 2:22:02.320 No, you're not. 2:22:04.800 --> 2:22:10.039 And also, if ever you know you're in your creative mood, yeah, 2:22:10.600 --> 2:22:14.560 I would like to collaborate as well. I just text 2:22:14.640 --> 2:22:17.560 I don't know. After this, I'm like, nah, music's not 2:22:17.640 --> 2:22:20.440 your calling. This is Julie. This is Julie where your 2:22:20.520 --> 2:22:22.400 passion lives. Well, what is this? 2:22:22.720 --> 2:22:23.400 What do you call this? 2:22:23.640 --> 2:22:24.840 Because I'm trying to figure out. 2:22:24.680 --> 2:22:25.000 What is this? 2:22:26.520 --> 2:22:27.240 What is this? 2:22:27.760 --> 2:22:31.600 I think this is called life pivoting. I think both 2:22:31.640 --> 2:22:34.080 of you and I are discovering what information you can't. 2:22:34.120 --> 2:22:36.400 We can't put a title on it until maybe twenty 2:22:36.480 --> 2:22:36.959 twenty eight. 2:22:37.959 --> 2:22:38.440 The truth. 2:22:38.480 --> 2:22:39.800 Now you're gathering information. 2:22:40.560 --> 2:22:42.880 I know I'm always seeking the truth. I'm seeking the 2:22:42.959 --> 2:22:45.560 truth about everything always, But I don't know what to 2:22:45.640 --> 2:22:47.160 call it. And that's someone when you were asking me 2:22:47.240 --> 2:22:48.480 what I would want to do with it, my friend 2:22:48.600 --> 2:22:49.640 was like, you do the podcast. 2:22:49.680 --> 2:22:52.560 I'm like, I don't know. I'm trying to right now. 2:22:52.560 --> 2:22:54.960 I'm just trying to be still and let God because 2:22:55.000 --> 2:22:56.600 i know I'm doing the things that i'm doing, like 2:22:56.680 --> 2:22:59.320 I'm got to start working on the new project, finishing 2:22:59.440 --> 2:23:01.160 up doing the novel that I'm working on. 2:23:01.480 --> 2:23:03.520 But then I'm also like, there's another thing that's happening, 2:23:03.560 --> 2:23:06.320 and I'm just trying to be still for it. So 2:23:06.440 --> 2:23:10.040 God can like be like, okay here, because I also 2:23:10.200 --> 2:23:11.000 don't know what it is. 2:23:12.600 --> 2:23:15.400 You're finding out what it is you're you're finding out 2:23:15.560 --> 2:23:20.120 right now. But this is why being still and silent 2:23:20.879 --> 2:23:23.800 also helps. And take it from the guy that had 2:23:23.879 --> 2:23:30.280 nineteen jobs and always the second I did this, the. 2:23:30.360 --> 2:23:33.800 Answer comes to you. I promise you. I promise you. 2:23:33.959 --> 2:23:35.560 The answer comes to you. Thank you. 2:23:35.879 --> 2:23:39.240 I'm gonna I need to text you sorry. I'll just 2:23:39.520 --> 2:23:40.640 just you know, we gotta just talk. 2:23:40.800 --> 2:23:43.760 We've got to just talk off off time as well. 2:23:44.160 --> 2:23:46.680 Yes, absolutely, now that we're allowed, because you were like, 2:23:46.760 --> 2:23:48.279 we do the interview interview. 2:23:48.040 --> 2:23:50.119 Now, yes, we're allowed. 2:23:51.480 --> 2:23:53.080 He didn't have no real conversation until we did the 2:23:53.120 --> 2:23:54.520 podcast because he wanted to spoil. 2:23:54.320 --> 2:23:58.600 It exactly exactly. Now we're friends, all right, Well a 2:23:58.720 --> 2:24:02.400 mariy I thank you. We having Siger Steve and Layah 2:24:02.760 --> 2:24:04.760 and and the family. 2:24:05.080 --> 2:24:09.080 Thank you, Bok Supreme. I appreciate you, and I will 2:24:09.120 --> 2:24:10.160 see you on the next round. 2:24:10.240 --> 2:24:10.440 Y'all. 2:24:10.560 --> 2:24:15.080 All right, this is sugar, Steve, thank you for listening 2:24:15.120 --> 2:24:18.200 to Quest Love Supreme. This podcast is hosted by a 2:24:18.280 --> 2:24:21.480 mere Quest Love Thompson, Liah Saint Clair, Sugar, Steve Bandel, 2:24:21.560 --> 2:24:25.400 and unpaid Bill Sherman. The executive producers are a mere 2:24:25.480 --> 2:24:29.480 Quest Love Thompson, sewn G and Brian Calhoun. Produced by 2:24:29.560 --> 2:24:33.800 Britney Benjamin, Jake Payne and Liah Saint Clair, edited by 2:24:33.920 --> 2:24:49.720 Alex Conroy. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown West Love 2:24:49.760 --> 2:24:56.880 Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from 2:24:56.920 --> 2:25:00.320 iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast Asked 2:25:00.760 --> 2:25:02.440 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.