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Speaker 2: E four warrened Ladies and Gentlemen, It's gonna be one

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Speaker 2: Right now, or however you receive this podcast, just know

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Speaker 2: Welcome to quest Love Supreme, Ladies and gentlemen. I am

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Speaker 2: your host quest Love. How's it going like?

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Speaker 3: It's good?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 3: Good? The sun is out?

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Speaker 1: So sun is out? Okay? And Steve, how's life good?

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Speaker 4: The sun is out here?

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Speaker 1: And uh as we see Yeah, life is good.

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Speaker 5: And Bill Yeah, man, I'm in a basement. I don't

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Speaker 5: know where the sun is, but I've never been been.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like me right about now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, great, okay, So there's probably one artist I mean, yes,

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Speaker 2: you guys have all of your requests the rare times

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Speaker 2: that I delve into the general population of my dms.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's two types of dms, the dms that

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Speaker 2: people you follow, and then dms of the other two million,

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Speaker 2: nine hundred people you deal with, but I will say

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Speaker 2: that there's probably one artist to whom the QLs listeners

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Speaker 1: For the last eight nine years.

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Speaker 2: Like we could just round it off that we've been

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Speaker 2: on for a decade, you know, cat years, podcast years,

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Speaker 2: and it's really not like our guest has been hiding

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Speaker 2: in the shadows. I will probably even dare say I

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Speaker 2: probably have now seen her more in the context of

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Speaker 2: her book club discussions than I've seen how I first

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Speaker 2: got to know her and how we all got to

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Speaker 2: know her as a musician singer, which you know is

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Speaker 2: kind of a special thing. But this is court Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: And there is an itch I've Indynah scratch because that

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Speaker 2: could probably falsely lead you into believing that our guest

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Speaker 2: today her musical canon is easily bypassable, and that is

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Speaker 2: a negative. I know, I'm world famous for my hyperbolic

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Speaker 2: intros and whatnot, So yeah, just ride with me, all, okay, Look,

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Speaker 2: disclosure of course, we know that Mary is the queen

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Speaker 2: of hip hop, soul, hip hop, R and P.

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Speaker 1: There's absolutely no disputing that fact. I feel like our.

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Speaker 2: Guest is the god of boom Bap soul and my

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Speaker 2: definition of boom bap soul boom Bap souls like when

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Speaker 2: you display your talents, your vocal talents on top the

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Speaker 2: rhythms that are so hard and I mean hard, like

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Speaker 2: the way that dress says on the first Black Sheep

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Speaker 2: album hard that it can easily be interchangeable with a

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Speaker 2: credible rapper's voice, like and based on the.

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Speaker 1: Events of Oh Shit.

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Speaker 2: Single Demayo twenty twenty four, now, I mean you could

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Speaker 2: be listening to this in the future and you need

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Speaker 2: a reference. You know that time in single Demayo twenty

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Speaker 2: difference between a credible let me not play sides, credible

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Speaker 2: MCing and non credible MCing, And I believe that that

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Speaker 2: is a compliment in the highest order.

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Speaker 1: You love how a bullet dodge that?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I look kim at, Yeah, you look right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Little kim Oh, that's what we're doing instead of matrix dodging,

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Speaker 2: we're little kim in it, yo, Like, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: Use that from now on.

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Speaker 2: That said, I feel like our guest has checked many

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Speaker 2: requirement list in providing us with what I say is

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Speaker 2: our undeniable bangers, like more bangers than some of my.

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Speaker 1: Favorite rappers have made bangers.

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Speaker 2: And if I keep it a buck, her music probably

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Speaker 2: changed my opinion of the Tom Tom. There's a time

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Speaker 2: when you knew Questlove had minimum drums, and then one

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Speaker 1: He has a full setup there.

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Speaker 2: I will say that our guest was probably the quiet

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Speaker 2: paradigm shift in my relationship to my own craft that

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Speaker 1: Anyway, you gotta yell louder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for the people in the bet. Can

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Speaker 2: I make this intro any longer? Absolutely, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though our guest has never been given

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Speaker 2: tree who's every creative move has been analyzed, copied, eaten, regurgitated, refurbished,

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Speaker 1: And if there ever was.

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Speaker 2: An artist to whom and I'm really passionate about this

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Speaker 1: You know that was our story too. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: making us about me.

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Speaker 2: But there's ever an artist to whom I wanted to

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Speaker 2: our guests a Marie Rogers Nicholson. Once we were successfully

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Speaker 2: able to book her at the Roots Picnic, which passed already,

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Speaker 2: and I'm manifesting that it was great. Yes, full disclosure,

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Speaker 2: of course, ladies and gentlemen, we're doing this way before

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Speaker 1: So yes, I will just say.

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Speaker 2: I will just say that, you know, we've had very

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Speaker 2: because I know that I tend to freak a lot

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Speaker 2: So I figured, at least our first true interaction mixing

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Speaker 2: could be friends. Not to be out done, I'm also

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Speaker 2: obsessed with how she's pivoted into the world of literature,

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Speaker 2: half year in the world of publishing, authoring, not to

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Speaker 2: mention songwriting, producing, acting, and most importantly, what's commendable is

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Speaker 2: you have to hear what's happening anyway. Yeah, I did

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Speaker 2: I even make it the eight minute. God damn, ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen. I always wanted to say this, Please welcome

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Speaker 2: our guest. Finally A Mari I apologize. I think that

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Speaker 7: Can I just tell our listeners if you want to,

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Speaker 1: That's what I said, how are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm so humbled by I'm humbled by everything that you're saying.

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Speaker 8: I really appreciate that. You know, people always think that, Well,

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Speaker 8: I guess I don't know. Every artist is different, but

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Speaker 8: you never know people tell you like, well this affected

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Speaker 8: so you just kind of that all just kind of disappears,

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Speaker 8: and so it's easy to feel kind of like you

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Speaker 8: And so that's just kind of like how everyone is

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Speaker 8: so it's like, oh, I appreciate that, thank you, Like, wow.

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Speaker 1: That's are you saying you feel seen right now?

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Speaker 8: I feel seen right now. I feel heard. Like I'm like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 8: you know, all right, all right. We've had some interactions

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Speaker 8: before in the past, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 8: we've we've had some of that, but you're right, we

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Speaker 8: never like had a full blown like conversation like like

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Speaker 8: big ones. We've had little conversations here and there. But

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Speaker 8: I always before I would have released anything, I would

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Speaker 8: be like, I wonder what mirror thinks about this? What

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Speaker 1: Dude?

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Speaker 2: I'm such a fan of yours, like your demos, Your

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Speaker 2: demos for other.

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Speaker 1: Artists are like part of my daily my current DJ set.

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Speaker 1: Like your work, you find.

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Speaker 7: Demos from other artists a meter, How do you what

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Speaker 7: are the demos from other artists?

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Speaker 1: My name is, you know who I am?

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm not even doing this to flex, like literally

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Speaker 2: think I've built up a cachet of which people know

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Speaker 2: that I might be interested in certain things, especially on

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Speaker 2: Okay Player.

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Speaker 1: There's a severe underground sect of us that are into.

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Speaker 2: How the sausage is made, and you know, like uh

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Speaker 2: like for instance still to this day. I mean, I

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Speaker 8: In two thousand and eight nine, No, when.

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Speaker 1: When was that creative?

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Speaker 8: First of all, I wondered, I was wondering, like, how

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Speaker 8: I don't even know if I was crying some box somewhere.

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Speaker 8: But no, love, love, lucks change, that was I did

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Speaker 8: But I think I think it was It was Janet though.

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Speaker 2: I give credit where credit is due. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: But for me, like to this day, I.

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Speaker 2: Still spend those records like they'll they'll never and may

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Speaker 2: still work. They still work, they still work. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that. We'll get to that. How are you today?

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Speaker 2: Where are you speaking to us from?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 8: Where are you good? I'm in Atlanta right.

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Speaker 1: Now, and so you reside in Atlanta?

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Speaker 8: In Atlanta, yeah, and back and forth between LA and

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Speaker 8: was just doing some past pages because I have a

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Speaker 8: novel coming out. We didn't announce it yet, you know,

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Speaker 8: But have a novel coming out next year. Nice for

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Speaker 1: Your harmonies and your voice.

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Speaker 2: Slidings give you away instantly, so you would have to

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Speaker 2: sing super dry. No influx is no good like none

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Speaker 8: Oh digging it. But I was also like, Daddy, want

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Speaker 8: I don't know, eight nine, and he was like you

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about Greece Too, because that's a terrible film.

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Speaker 8: I was like Michelle Pfeifer though, like who's that? Who's that?

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Speaker 5: It's the way of life, man.

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Speaker 1: But I went to this thing and do the entire audience.

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Speaker 7: A just because Michelle, because she was yes, she was

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Speaker 8: I wanted the jacket back then too, so like, you know,

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Speaker 5: My girlfriend has told me that she prefers Grease to

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Speaker 8: It was nightmare and I wanted the jacket and I

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Speaker 8: I want that outfit, like I want to be Billy Jean.

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Speaker 8: So Michael Jackson, that's Michael Jackson and this is he's

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00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 8: Is he really a thing? Is he really a thing.

437
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 8: Maybe that's really him. He's like a really aware wolf.

438
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 8: Oh there's that's that's Billy Jean. That's his girlfriend, right,

439
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 8: And she's so like beautiful and they're real. They're not

440
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 8: like playing a character on screen. They are real people

441
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 8: that are really together. And she's really scared and she's

442
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 8: really in this zombie thing and she's really gorgeous and

443
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 8: it's like the epitome of like who you want to

444
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 8: be as a girl.

445
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: Right.

446
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 8: But I also wanted to be Michael Jackson too, and

447
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 8: the knife fighting, like I was, I was into that.

448
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 9: That was beat it.

449
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 8: You know, all blends together.

450
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was thinking bad, but yeah he bought

451
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: a couple of.

452
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 8: Times, right, yes, so it all blends together. So that's

453
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 8: that's probably my my earliest earliest you know, I have

454
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 8: that and my dad playing the Marvin Gay. So I

455
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 8: listened to listen to Marvin Gay on my own, like religiously.

456
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 8: He had the whole Marvin Gay collection and I would

457
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 8: just listen to it. That's why I always say that

458
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 8: Michael Jackson, Gay and Mary J. Blige are my top

459
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 8: three influence Okay, okay, and Phil Spector probably yours choice.

460
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 5: Okay, that was an interesting fourth choice. Did see that.

461
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 8: The wall of sound? Oh okay, it was because the production.

462
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 8: But what I hear is the instruments. But the one

463
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 8: thing with Rich and I we would always like he understood.

464
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 8: I was like, I hear those instruments, but the voice

465
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 8: is an instrument. And so when we would create songs,

466
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 8: it'd be like, we need this part, Like, no, I'll

467
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 8: sing this vocal part, but it's like a trumpet. So

468
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 8: I'm singing it but not like it's it's a trumpet.

469
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to interrupt and skip. You're forcing me

470
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: to to to skipad no, no, no, no, because I gotta know.

471
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: I gotta know your background trademarks are so unusual because

472
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: I never okay. So as an engineer, if I'm dealing

473
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: with background vocals, I would tend to think that the

474
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: soprano voice, the highest one, would be sort of the ringleader,

475
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: and then I'll figure out a way to tuck the

476
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: tenor alto and base like the other harmonies, like under them,

477
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: really not put them on top of the cause you know,

478
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: I would think that the cherry on top, like the

479
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: melody on top, is what drives the vehicle.

480
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: But your tenor is always the loudest.

481
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: Your tenor's louder than your your top voice, Your tenor's

482
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 2: louder than your your out of voice. Like literally, I

483
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: was like, wow, that's really curious that when she does

484
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 2: like three four part harmony that she brings out the

485
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: one voicing that I, as an engineer, would have tucked under,

486
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: and it's loud and up front.

487
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: Almost.

488
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: You mentioned Marvin gay and I was going to ask,

489
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: because especially on your first record, you do this kind of.

490
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye does it.

491
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: Of course, Marvin Gaye pioneered, and Slick Rick also did

492
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: it where you know, sometimes the narrator, the lead person sings,

493
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: but often the background vocal has just as much agency

494
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: as the singer has. What is your method of song?

495
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: Because then I'm wondering, like, are you writing this on paper?

496
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Like okay, while sing this and then the background singing that,

497
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: and in parenthal, we.

498
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 8: Do it all, we do it all. It's just like, okay,

499
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 8: the backgrounds. It would be a lot of work because

500
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 8: the backgrounds, and I did one project, but I was like,

501
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 8: you know what, I'm just trying to not do any

502
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 8: of those backgrounds. I'm just keep I just noticed people

503
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 8: just only do top line. So I'm gonna just do

504
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 8: some top line. Wow, this is way faster getting through

505
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 8: a song because the backgrounds are always like really really

506
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 8: important and so really it's just a matter of not

507
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 8: writing anything down or anything, but just like listening and

508
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 8: then saying, okay something. A lot of times how you

509
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 8: would like bed the lower vocals, like the lower those

510
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 8: would be more of the feature. Those will have more movement,

511
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 8: so like I like to do like the high one,

512
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 8: those would be sustained more like and no. But then

513
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 8: underneath it like that, and then it's like, okay, let

514
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 8: me have that in between, and it's like okay, what

515
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 8: can go in the middle of that? Maybe a little

516
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 8: something dumb, right and something like So then things are

517
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 8: like kind of moving. And this is why I say

518
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 8: I for me, the music is like visual, but in

519
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 8: a different way. It's like it's movement like color and

520
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 8: kind of like you know, like it's hard for me

521
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 8: to articulate it exactly because it is something that's very visual,

522
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 8: but not in a picture, not in a real human

523
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 8: being colors, like if you look at the universe and

524
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 8: the galaxy and you're like seeing like swirling. I know

525
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 8: it sounds like silly, but we're not silly. But I'm

526
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 8: not trying to be about it. It's just that that

527
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 8: is literally how I'm creating. And Rich is similar in

528
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 8: when we would do our vocals, we like collaborate really

529
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 8: well because we think very similarly. When it comes to

530
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 8: especially those kinds of background notes.

531
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: Well, then my one question is how tedious is it

532
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: if you're doing this live?

533
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: Like how hard are you on.

534
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: Either if you got background singers, like how hard are you?

535
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 8: Like? Do not sing? I don't. I tried that and

536
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 8: I was like, no, no, no, no.

537
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: Say it.

538
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 8: No you can't. You can't sing it there as when.

539
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know you. There's a moment ah damn, okay,

540
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: it's it's actually one of my favorite albums of yours

541
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: is the one that you didn't release in the United States.

542
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 8: Because I love it because I love it.

543
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: And the intro.

544
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: And the thing was, Okay, the first song I would say,

545
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: this is probably how she's gonna come out on stage,

546
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be the intro song that you know,

547
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: because it's not a full song.

548
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: It's like a two minute thing.

549
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, she's But then when I

550
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: heard the backgrounds I said, Yo, this is this is

551
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: really intricate. And then I said to myself, I wonder

552
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: how hard she is on her background vocals.

553
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: Like so hard they don't exist.

554
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: She no, But then I think I actually put in

555
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: my head she must be a hard, difficult person to

556
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: work for, because.

557
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, I don't know one singer that

558
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: won't stop the world.

559
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 8: I'm not kidding, I'm kind of kidding. I'll tell you

560
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 8: the story.

561
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: No, but that's the thing I actually said.

562
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: I said, I bet you she's she's a hard person

563
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: to work for because like, I can't see someone nailing

564
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 2: me to perfection to the place where she wants it

565
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: to be.

566
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: So I bet you, like she just either just assists

567
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: like pro tool all my background vocals. We'll trust that.

568
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: But I was like, there's no way that someone is

569
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: doing this live and nailing it because you were just

570
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: your tag teaming with yourself in ways.

571
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: It's like a cat and mouse thing.

572
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't think this can be

573
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: recreated on stage, so that's it.

574
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 8: Really, no, it cannot be because everyone's voice is different.

575
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 8: And I was joking when I said, oh, I don't know,

576
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 8: and I don't mean that to say, no, no, I

577
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 8: can sing it like me. It's not want to sound

578
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 8: like yourself. It's just that one is not going to

579
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 8: sound the same because it is someone else singing it.

580
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 8: But because again, the backgrounds are not backgrounds. Backgrounds are

581
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 8: like a lead. They are like the co stars of

582
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 8: the songs. And I say that in an objective way,

583
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 8: and that I'm not saying, well, that's me and that's

584
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 8: my voice. No, I mean just how they're crafted is

585
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 8: that they're very important there as important as the lead.

586
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 8: They are in a sense their own lead. Which and

587
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 8: since I'm not in a group, you can't sing that

588
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 8: part because you won't sound like me because you're not.

589
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 8: You're not you don't have my voice. You have your

590
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 8: own gift, your own voice, and it's different. And I

591
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 8: did try to have background singers before, and it wasn't

592
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 8: that they weren't getting the parts, although they always had

593
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 8: to be laid in there anyway, tucked because it would

594
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 8: be hard to follow otherwise. But also it doesn't sound

595
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 8: like me to me, And so when I'm singing, because

596
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 8: the song is supposed to sound like this, it was

597
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 8: another voice. It was throwing me off. And the textures

598
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 8: just weren't coming out correctly to me, and I will

599
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 8: I will say I'm a person I don't enjoy, generally speaking,

600
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 8: not all the time. I don't enjoy watching performances when

601
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 8: I'm listening to somebody singing their record and there's other

602
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 8: people's voices that are there that wasn't there on the record. Personally,

603
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 8: I don't wait.

604
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: Do a live show in that way, right so you.

605
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: Can pro to it.

606
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 8: The vocals are all mine to p to it. We

607
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 8: had we got to the point where we would have

608
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 8: background singers miming they were they were mouthing, but don't

609
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 8: you day and the throat.

610
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like K pop is going through

611
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: their nostalgia nineties R and B period right now, Like

612
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: have you been approached to composed songs for any of

613
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: those groups or I know.

614
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 8: There was some talk about something like that maybe several

615
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 8: years ago, because I did collaborate with a couple of

616
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 8: artists a lot of years ago, like over a decade ago,

617
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 8: and then a couple of artists and that it has

618
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 8: been about that long in world, yeah, and then I

619
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 8: performed with them and we did things together over there,

620
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 8: and then there was talk about possibly doing some kind

621
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 8: of like writing that kind of thing, but I have it.

622
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 8: It could be cool, but there's so much that I

623
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 8: want to do creatively, and you know, you realize your

624
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 8: time is limited that I would just do my own

625
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 8: thing and put it out, which to me, it's always

626
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 8: made more sense than to go ahead and do what

627
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 8: I'm going to create and then songs that I don't

628
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 8: end up using that kind of thing seeing you know,

629
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 8: then shopping those like that, but not actually going in

630
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 8: and although I consider that too, like going in and

631
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 8: working with someone or some people like justpecifically craft something

632
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 8: for them, especially because as an artist, I feel like

633
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 8: I can go in and really respect them as an

634
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 8: artist and uh what they want to do and what

635
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 8: they don't want to do or sing about, you know,

636
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 8: just knowing from my own experiences. That's why I really

637
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 8: work with like different producers, but I have like the

638
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 8: ones that I really work well with. And the thing

639
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 8: is that, sometimes, even to my own like chagrin, I

640
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 8: have to write my own records. Really, the only person

641
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 8: who could really write records for me would be Rich

642
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 8: and we can collaborate, we can write them or like

643
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 8: one or two other people. That's it because no one

644
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 8: else is going to actually write a song. That's what

645
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 8: I want. What I would actually say, because you know something,

646
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 8: I've been in sessions where they'd be like, okay, da da.

647
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 8: I don't want the sessions because someone at the label

648
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 8: wanted me to go not no offense to the people

649
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 8: who were there, but that wasn't you know, if I'm

650
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 8: going to work with someone. That's why I never really

651
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 8: want made people pay me. I think I think maybe

652
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 8: probably people paid me a couple of times for a feature,

653
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 8: but I always like, I'll do a feature they don't

654
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 8: have to pay me because to me, then m I

655
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 8: might be in a minority. I feel like there's something

656
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 8: a little offensive about asking someone to pay me for

657
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 8: a feature because I feel like, if I'm an artist

658
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 8: and I appreciate you and you're like appreciating me, let's

659
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 8: just let's let's create together, let's play together. Let's you know,

660
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 8: And most of the time you pay somebody, it's going

661
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 8: to that label on this and someone wants fees. But

662
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 8: I don't know, I just felt a little weird about that.

663
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: You don't want publish it, you just want.

664
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 8: To publishing, publishing, you get publishing. But I'm talking about

665
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 8: will you do this song with me? I'll pay you

666
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 8: this money to do the song with you, and then

667
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 8: if you're going to be in the video, I'll pay

668
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 8: you more money to do the video. And I find

669
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 8: I feel like if you agree to do the song,

670
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 8: that inherent in that is the acceptance of doing the video.

671
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 8: If there is one right, you don't have to pay me.

672
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 8: But something about it feels a little like too transactional

673
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 8: versus two artists coming together to create some magic.

674
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: This out there with the same person real quick.

675
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 7: Because we mentioned I want to go back to the

676
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 7: K pop question that Amir asked you. Yeah, curious do

677
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 7: they understand and accept you also as one of them

678
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 7: in that way and do they see you as an

679
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 7: asset because you are a part of them as well?

680
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: How does that work?

681
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 8: When I did collabse you know, back at that time,

682
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 8: they were really like appreciative and my mom was with

683
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 8: me too. But it was also interesting to see how

684
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 8: the system works. It works really differently. Like you know,

685
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 8: aretist in the States, they go show up to a thing, perform.

686
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 8: The people that are in the doing the background stuff,

687
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 8: you know, the show that you show up for to perform.

688
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 8: All that the producers all that they producers of the show,

689
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 8: they can tend to be more differential to the artists.

690
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 8: Not saying that you want that, but that's just like

691
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 8: they're just like, Okay, you're here to do the song,

692
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 8: we appreciate you. We're going to some TV blocking, et cetera.

693
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 8: But they're very differential. It's kind of was the opposite

694
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 8: way what I was witnessing. Now. For me, it was different.

695
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 8: They treated me very well with respect the people on

696
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 8: the TV show. Because I'm also an American. I'm coming

697
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 8: in so I'm a guest in more ways than one,

698
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 8: you know, when I visited. But I noticed that for

699
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 8: the artists who are and maybe it's different now this

700
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 8: is this is back in you know, I forgot what year,

701
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 8: but at least ten years plus, right, I noticed that

702
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 8: the artists were deferential to the TV producers. They were

703
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 8: the ones doing the the extra bo and the extra

704
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 8: you know, and so that was interesting, you know, that

705
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 8: was curious to me. But it's because it's the way

706
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 8: that and the way I figured it was that their

707
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 8: entertainment system, because we created our system entertainment system decades

708
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 8: and decades and decades and decades we have so much longer.

709
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 8: There was a change out of the old studio system,

710
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 8: our old Hollywood studio system, where the actors and stuff

711
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 8: probably were very differential to the producers back in Marilynroe

712
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 8: pre Marilynda Lauren McCall days. Right, But it's grown and

713
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 8: artists have learned their power and it's become a different ecosystem.

714
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 8: And so I was like, where they are now is

715
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 8: where Golden Age Hollywood was before. And as it progresses

716
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 8: around the world, the entertainment system progresses, artists will be

717
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 8: become more knowledgeable of their power and recognize their power.

718
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 8: And then those around them who work for them when

719
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 8: the TV shows, which the bikini producers, will understand that

720
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 8: the art around the artists, the artist is the sun

721
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 8: and everything else is revolving around them. Once the artists

722
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 8: realize that, the system will change. So it's just that

723
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 8: they're just behind. They're just it's like the uh, you know,

724
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 8: the advance of humanity, right like and any kind of system.

725
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 8: That's where they are and they're going to be in

726
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 8: a different place and soon it's going to be totally different.

727
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 7: It blows my mind because I don't think really people

728
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 7: understand the concept that like I asked somebody Korean one dance,

729
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 7: like what was before k pop?

730
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: Like what is the original Korean music? And it doesn't

731
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: you know that.

732
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 8: Is It's an interesting thing and it's cool, but it

733
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 8: also there's a certain sadness to it. I was sitting

734
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 8: in an award show and it was an Asian theme.

735
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 8: It was like one of the Gallas, and so it's

736
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 8: all celebrating everything Asian and you see the actors and

737
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 8: the argus, the movies and the films that are being introduced,

738
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: and a lot of it is very Korean, but also

739
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 8: Korean American and Asian American, an Asian American because it

740
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 8: grew out of just being a Korean American thing to

741
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 8: an Asian American thing. But once the music section came in,

742
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 8: I was like, and this is something I always knew.

743
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 8: I always I always recognize from again decades ago that

744
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 8: before it was even called K pop, I didn't. I

745
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 8: don't know what it was called. When I was growing up.

746
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 8: It wasn't called K pop though, but you would see

747
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 8: them emulating the braids and all that. It wasn't called

748
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 8: K pop, but it was just pop, right, Korean pop

749
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 8: music popular music. You know, we would watch my dad

750
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 8: would comment those are black dances. I was like, yeah,

751
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 8: and I'm you know, I'm eleven, I'm twelve at the time,

752
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 8: and he was like that that was just cream people

753
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 8: doing black music. And I was like, pretty much, what,

754
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 8: that's what I'm seeing. But see, the artists were very

755
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 8: very where they gave credit where credit is due with

756
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 8: the music. Okay. So so the music that I was seeing,

757
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 8: I was like, wow, this is so interesting because I'm

758
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 8: watching all this stuff and I'm you know, Korean as well,

759
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 8: but once because it comes to the music, this is

760
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 8: black music. The only thing that's Korean about it really

761
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 8: is there's a certain politeness, there's certain movements, the cute

762
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 8: parts and stuff. I was like, you know, but that's

763
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 8: that's also modern. But I was like, this is black music,

764
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 8: and I was like, interesting, there's almost like this gap

765
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 8: where there's no Korea because traditional Korean music is more

766
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 8: like if you my mom will play it sometimes and

767
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 8: so you just have the drums to do. And I

768
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 8: wanted to do that too. Actually, I think I'm still

769
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 8: going to do that. I want to do the whole

770
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 8: thing in my mind. I won't say what it is,

771
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 8: but it's a very it's like a very big do

772
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 8: v M A type thing. But I wanted to do

773
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 8: something really cool culturally, right, so the music will be

774
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 8: like dum, that's not I'm not saying any words, but

775
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 8: the no. So that kind of vocalization, that's one of

776
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 8: the traditional like aspects. But that's like you know what

777
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 8: people will call like you know, old old old old

778
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 8: old old old old people made traditional. But see Korean

779
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 8: people have a lot of soul too, so you have

780
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 8: those like those side drums, those drums that are in

781
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 8: the front and the so you just hear the the

782
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 8: you know that that that vocalization again that I was doing.

783
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 8: But I sat there at the gallapy thinking where is

784
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 8: the bridge from that? And what I remember hearing as

785
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 8: a kid when my mom will play that sometimes to

786
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 8: the traditional young like where is because we can say

787
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 8: this is pop music and R and B and we're

788
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 8: getting the roots into blues and going way way back.

789
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 8: But there those are bridges. I was like, where is

790
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 8: the bridge? There's no bridge.

791
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 7: It's crazy Coca cola yep.

792
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 8: From that to a complete cultural import and so I

793
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 8: was like, man, I don't know. I was like, I mean,

794
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 8: I'm Korean, but I'm also black, so I view it

795
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 8: like okay, But if I weren't black at all, I'd

796
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 8: probably be thinking like yeah, having our own Like what

797
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 8: is our I want to see?

798
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: I got that I want.

799
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 8: I am black in Korean, but I am black and Korean,

800
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 8: but I still feel like I want to see that.

801
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: Frankly, can we go back on the time machine so

802
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: we can act to get to your story?

803
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 8: Right? Oh?

804
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Shoot, like.

805
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 8: We're just talking.

806
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: I know we're just talking, but I gotta I know

807
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: you're a military brat, But where do you consider home?

808
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: Like where are you born and raised?

809
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 8: Please say DC, because we claim you I wasn't born

810
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 8: and raised well, I wasn't born and raised in anyone place,

811
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 8: So to me, I consider myself like a citizen of

812
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 8: the world, like home is where I am. I will

813
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 8: say this about d C d C is where I

814
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 8: really came into my self as an artist, Like d

815
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 8: C d C kind of like that's where suddenly I

816
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 8: knew how to dance. I couldn't really dance really well before.

817
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 8: I'm not going to say I'm the most dopest dancer

818
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 8: in the world now, but.

819
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: And where did you learn to dance? In the club

820
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: in d C or in the.

821
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 8: Club, Yes, in the club. So d C was really

822
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 8: important because it is where I like really really grew

823
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 8: like exponentially as an artist, like where I came into

824
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 8: my own because of who I met, because of where

825
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 8: I was going, because of the vibe. I feel like

826
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 8: DC is really like when I chose to go to

827
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 8: college in DC, it was because it was close to

828
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 8: New York and I knew it was culturally rich. It

829
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 8: was a black city, and you know, I group as

830
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 8: a military brat, so I didn't really get to just

831
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 8: be around a whole lot of black people only it

832
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 8: was always very mixed, which I loved as well. But

833
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 8: I was like, I really want to like I really

834
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 8: want to be in the city where there's a lot

835
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 8: of black people, you know what I mean. And then

836
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 8: I got to be close to New York because I

837
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 8: want to try to get a record, deals like go

838
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 8: down on the weekend, figure something out, try to get

839
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 8: some meetings or whatever people do. I'm coming out of Alaska.

840
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 8: I don't know. It's just like, Hi, I want to see.

841
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: You came from Alaska to DC.

842
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 8: Because yeah, I went to high school in Alaska, but

843
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 8: only for three and a half years, because before that

844
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 8: was high school and middle school in Texas. I was

845
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 8: in Anchorage and Anchorage, Alaska, and then I went to

846
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 8: I know, I cried when I was fine with moving

847
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 8: around my whole life. When we were going there, I

848
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 8: was like, wait, there's no people there. It's like a moose.

849
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 8: There's a TV show with a.

850
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: Moose, and you know, exposed.

851
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 8: It wasn't like that. It wasn't like man. But then

852
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 8: I went to d C. And I was like, like,

853
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 8: for that freshman year, I would go to the club

854
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 8: every Wednesday and then the weekend too, but also on

855
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 8: Wednesday because they had like the stance hall thing. I

856
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 8: think it was DC clud Okay, and then it was

857
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 8: Republic Gardens Republic Gardens, and then this was before Dream

858
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 8: even existed, and they became a club love, right, are you?

859
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to raise I went to high school right

860
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: across from Howard.

861
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, okay, so yeah, you know.

862
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 7: That's why I really let me tell him my truths

863
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 7: are just about to tell you that when I graduated

864
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: from college, I moved to Philly and it became my

865
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 7: home and I loved that place too.

866
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: But I'm going to raise I guess.

867
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: It's okay.

868
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 8: It's okay, but I have a soft spot in my

869
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 8: heart my death from North Philing. I'm a soft spot.

870
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 8: I have a soft spot for Philly.

871
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 7: Last DC question I got for you, tell me about

872
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 7: did you have ever had the go go experience?

873
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: Because I mean, I hear it in the music, but

874
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 3: I was curious about it goes.

875
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 8: Out because because I when I would go to the club,

876
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 8: so I would go every weekend. I never went out

877
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 8: really much, and after that freshman year, I was like, well,

878
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 8: got out my system and I never never really went

879
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 8: out again after that. But during freshman year I was

880
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 8: out of the weekend and then every Wednesday at least

881
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 8: we would go out and literally I would go to dance.

882
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 8: I know that sounds like such a I just wanted

883
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 8: to go out and dance, but I did. I wanted

884
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 8: to go to dance and have a good time. And

885
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 8: then it would be like reggae night and this night

886
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 8: and that and then they have like a go go night.

887
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 8: And again it's instrumentation. Sometimes for me, I would like

888
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 8: a song before there's any vocals on something, you know

889
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 8: what I mean, So I could just appreciate that, and

890
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 8: that's why I say, Like DC, I really kind of

891
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 8: like got my seasoning and kind of came into myself

892
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 8: as an artist. I met Rich there and we like

893
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 8: just created some It was a lot of like kind

894
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 8: of like what are you ringing? Like this is what

895
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: I've got? Okay, what do you have? But I have this?

896
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 8: Oh that's what I've been looking for. Oh why don't

897
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 8: we do this and combined? And it's very very magical.

898
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 8: And so I think that's why sometimes people will ask

899
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 8: like if I'm from DC, and I'm like, I'm not

900
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 8: from there because I was. I'm the military, but that

901
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 8: is where I really I have my influences. But the seasoning,

902
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 8: the finishing, the cooking, the bake, it was all happening

903
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 8: in DC.

904
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: And Amir, that's how I feel about Philadelphia. That is

905
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: how I feel about Philly.

906
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, have commonality.

907
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 5: Okay, we do have perfect pitch because we're talking about

908
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 5: like synesthesia and the way your harmonies work.

909
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: I guess this is that you.

910
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 8: Do I have. Okay, Now I'm not always singing in

911
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 8: perfect pitch, but I know when i'm not, when I

912
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 8: can hear myself. Sometimes you get those performances and you're

913
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 8: like what they want, but it's because I can't Half

914
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 8: the time, I can't hear myself. Something always happens, especially

915
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 8: when you do like one off. If it's a tour

916
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 8: and it's my tour, it's all my people and we

917
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 8: have it locked in. But when I'm going somewhere, it's

918
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 8: a new person, a new sound person, and new someone

919
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 8: else is going on before you and your things were

920
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 8: touch you can hear yourself, then yes, if you hear

921
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 8: me sounding bad ever, And I don't say this to

922
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 8: like Bragg or anything, I might be under the weather.

923
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 8: I could be under the weather like right now. But

924
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 8: it's guarantee that I can't hear myself because I'm one

925
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 8: of those people who can hear anything. If it's not

926
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 8: absolutely perfect, I can hear it. I'm like, that's a

927
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 8: little off, that's a little flat, that's a little sharp.

928
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 8: If there I walk into a room and the table

929
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 8: is slightly crooked, I can see that it's crooked, and

930
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 8: I have to fix everything. So it's just perfect because

931
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 8: I can hear when anything is off, and I can

932
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 8: see when anything is off. And an engineer told me

933
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 8: one time, I'm like, why did how could you? How

934
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 8: could you hear that because I can hear like you

935
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 8: can lay the vocals back. I mean you engineered, so

936
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 8: you probably know what I mean. Like, lay it back,

937
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 8: not like point one zero, not one point one five,

938
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 8: lay it back point zero two, lay back point zero one,

939
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 8: go back point zero one, go back back. That's like

940
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 8: super super super super super super minimal. A lot of

941
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 8: people can't tell, but I can tell. That was a

942
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 8: long way of saying, yes, I can hear perfect pitch.

943
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 8: I do have a perfect pitch because I know when

944
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 8: I'm not on it. Ah, Okay, that means I probably

945
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 8: can't hear myself in a moment.

946
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got been a nerd all your life, a Marie.

947
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 8: I have been a nerd all my life. I've been

948
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 8: a nerd before i've been anything else. I love it.

949
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry listeners, this episode is like Momento on Shuffle,

950
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: like we're.

951
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: Just going all over the timeline.

952
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: But I mean pretty much, I would assume that you're

953
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: in a rare case where like your first thing out

954
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: the box is why don't we fall in love? But wait,

955
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: before we get to that, let me at least complete

956
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: the story. Please tell us how you met Rich Harrison.

957
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 8: So I met Rich Harrison. You know again, I chose

958
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 8: DC because it's a great school. I wanted to go

959
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 8: to Georgetown. It's like, Okay, I worked, you know, academically,

960
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 8: I worked hard for this. But it's also close to

961
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 8: New York, so I can work on getting a demo

962
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 8: because I do know what I want to do when

963
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 8: I finished school. This gives me time to get to

964
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 8: that point. And DC's very rich culturally, so great. When

965
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 8: I'm there, I'm actively trying to make connections, figure things out. Well,

966
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 8: I was in a group for a second. I'm not

967
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 8: a group person. The group never worked out anyway. It's

968
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 8: just I'm just not a colicky person. We didn't really

969
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 8: ever have anything, and the names kept changing because we

970
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 8: never actually that. No one ever stayed in the group

971
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 8: long enough for us to actually be a group. So

972
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 8: what I should say is I was trying to put

973
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 8: together a group, that's what it is. And people that

974
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 8: I was working with we were trying to put together

975
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 8: a group, but it never worked and I was like, see,

976
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 8: this is a sign I'm not a group person. But

977
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 8: one of the girls who was not in the group

978
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 8: was kind of like feeling her out. She also would

979
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 8: put on fashion shows, and she was from DC, so

980
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 8: to you know, in the name of like getting to

981
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 8: know each other a little bit more, not just only

982
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 8: in the studio stuff, I just like tagged along with

983
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 8: her one night while she was looking for some space

984
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 8: for her fashion show, and so we went to I

985
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 8: guess it was DC Live at the time, but Ron

986
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 8: de Berry was the manager at the time. So I'm

987
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 8: just sitting there literally taking my legs. While I'm sitting there,

988
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 8: I'm waiting for her to have these conversations about the space.

989
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 8: And then so she's doing her thing looking around, and

990
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 8: then he's just he and I just get to talking

991
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 8: and I'm like, oh yeah. Then I go to Georgetown

992
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 8: blah blah blah and I sing. He's like, oh great, okay.

993
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 8: After that, That's kind of it. Every time I would

994
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 8: go to the club on these nights I was telling

995
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 8: you about, like every Wednesday or whatever it was pus

996
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 8: the weekends, I would see him and he always remembered

997
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 8: because he would always say, you're the girl that sings,

998
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 8: Like right, you're the girl that sings. One of these days,

999
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 8: you know. Much later, he was like, Hey, I have

1000
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 8: a friend who's looking to work with an artist he's

1001
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 8: a producer. I heard lots of things before. One of

1002
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 8: my things of policies was like, I'm never going to

1003
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 8: go out with a guy to see you know what's

1004
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 8: going on. I was never. One thing I was always

1005
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 8: very clear on with myself was I know what I

1006
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 8: want to do, and I'm not going to sacrifice any

1007
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 8: of my integrity to get there. I'm just not going

1008
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 8: to do it. That's just not my personality. So if

1009
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 8: people were like, oh this, you know, you meet a

1010
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 8: lot of this guy wants to help people want to

1011
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 8: help you, they don't. They want to help you so

1012
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 8: badly that you never even heard me sing a note,

1013
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 8: So like, what are you trying to do? So I

1014
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 8: was like, okay, He's like he's a producer, da and

1015
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 8: it's coming from him and that guy trying to pick

1016
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 8: me up. So I'm like, okay, Well, he's like, can

1017
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 8: I get your number and then you know, maybe put

1018
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 8: you guys in touch. Okay, okay, sure, So give him

1019
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 8: the number. Later on he calls and Rich and I

1020
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 8: talk on the phone and we agreed to meet up

1021
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 8: so I can hear his music and then he can

1022
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 8: hear some of the lifestyle The people think sometimes do

1023
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 8: we meet and the McDonald's parking, like happened to meet. No,

1024
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 8: that wasn't that. It happened just like what I told you,

1025
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 8: the McDonald's parking, Yes, McDonald George, that happened. So it

1026
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 8: was late after school at the nighttime. I chose. I

1027
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 8: chose McDonald's because again, I'm not going to someone's house

1028
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 8: and they say they're a producer, quote unquote, I don't

1029
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 8: know him from a cannon. So I'm like, let's meet

1030
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 8: at McDonald's. Let's just really see what it is, you know.

1031
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 8: So I was in my car then he showed up.

1032
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 8: I'm like, okay, you know again you never really know.

1033
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 8: But then we just chatted for a second. He just

1034
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 8: went right into like, okay, so I'm looking to work

1035
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 8: with an artist and I brought some music. Great, let's

1036
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 8: let's hear it. And I'm like, okay, he's serious. You

1037
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 8: know what I mean. He's serious. So he's playing me tracks,

1038
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 8: one of which ended up being the song float, but

1039
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 8: right now they're all instrumentals. But I heard, like I

1040
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 8: heard what I was looking for, what I've been looking for,

1041
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 8: and that was I was missing because what I wanted

1042
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 8: was so specific and what I wanted was I need

1043
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 8: Obviously it's gonna be tracks. I can sing to R

1044
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 8: and B tracks, but I don't want them to just

1045
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 8: be R and B tracks. They have to be hip

1046
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 8: hop R and B tracks. They have to have a

1047
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 8: great balance. They have to be hard, like they have

1048
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 8: to be a rapper would want to, you know, like

1049
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 8: they could do something over it. That's really really hard

1050
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 8: to find. Not so much now, but now music sounds

1051
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 8: a little different. But at the time that was really

1052
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 8: that was really difficult.

1053
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: To finow trust me, Okay, so you know it was.

1054
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 8: It wasn't easy. So when he was playing this for me,

1055
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 8: I was like, yes, and there was something special in

1056
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 8: his his production and the percussion. It was just so

1057
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 8: much of it. I was like, I felt like that

1058
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 8: was like what I'd been looking for, what I was missing,

1059
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 8: Like it was like the missing instrument. Because again I

1060
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 8: didn't look at my voice as being like I did

1061
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 8: love to sing to the thing, but I didn't. It

1062
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 8: sounds funny, but I didn't love to sing that much.

1063
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 8: I love to create music and to create sound. So

1064
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 8: that's why I would get asked to do so many

1065
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 8: like national anthems, birthday songs, and I was like, I

1066
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 8: don't like to sing national anthems. I don't like to

1067
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 8: think so, because then you're just singing because you want

1068
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 8: to sing it. I don't. Actually, I'm not that interested

1069
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 8: in just singing. Actually it sounds weird, but that's why

1070
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 8: Rich understood what I met. He was like, so, what

1071
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 8: are you into? And I was like, I didn't have

1072
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 8: my songs that i'd like sang on because for some reason,

1073
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 8: also so I note, whenever I would get in this

1074
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 8: group with someone, I ended up tending to be like

1075
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 8: a duet. Somehow, I never had any vocal so I'm like,

1076
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 8: I guess I'm the mastermind. But also not on any records.

1077
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 8: So I was like, I would, I would, I would

1078
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 8: my vocals because I was working with other people too,

1079
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 8: and for some reason, I could never get any parts.

1080
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 8: Can I Can I get a vocal? Can I get

1081
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 8: a no? No?

1082
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 7: No no no?

1083
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 8: In the back? Okay? I got some. I got some

1084
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 8: of that. Oh that was kind of it. So there

1085
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 8: was no use in playing him that, and so I

1086
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 8: was like just singing him things that I'd written and

1087
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 8: just songs that I love, like because he I think

1088
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 8: he asked me, like, who what artists I really liked.

1089
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 8: And then I'm sure I mentioned Mary, so I probably

1090
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 8: sang Mary, probably saying some lev probably, but I think

1091
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 8: when he was hearing me seeing Mary and I was

1092
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 8: like that she is one of my biggest influences, he

1093
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 8: was like, okay, because that's what he was looking for.

1094
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: But he was looking go to marry.

1095
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 8: So I think you might have been oh no, I

1096
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 8: just wanted to make it wrong.

1097
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1098
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's probably one of them. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1099
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 8: and it's on your mom and you see that. Could

1100
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 8: I can be able to stop baby admitted my mar

1101
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 8: your okay, well you're gonna beginning. We're beginning more of

1102
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 8: that because I I if I were not me, if

1103
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 8: I were not myself, I would probably and someone was like, well,

1104
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 8: if you're not, well, I guess that is me. I

1105
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 8: was like saying, I would be like a mix of Mary,

1106
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 8: Marvin Gay, and Michael Jackson. But I think that actually

1107
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 8: is me because they are state are so pivotal to

1108
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 8: me as an artist, that and Prince. But yeah, so

1109
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 8: I sang him back and he heard what he was

1110
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 8: looking for because he love love, love, love, love love

1111
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 8: love Mary J Blige. I think that was like one

1112
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 8: of his favorite artists, like he loved love her and

1113
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 8: he actually had just worked with her before too, but

1114
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 8: he didn't know who he was, but he was still

1115
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 8: like a huge fan. And so what he was looking

1116
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 8: for was someone who could have that like grit that

1117
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 8: he wanted, and that that R and B hip hop

1118
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 8: that could lend itself to that voice could lend itself

1119
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 8: to that. But then also, you know, why why did

1120
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 8: I even tell you line like something false? You know

1121
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 8: what I mean? Something soft too, And so he was

1122
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 8: looking for something very specific. So when we met, it

1123
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 8: was literally like we were the missing puzzle pieces like artistically,

1124
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 8: and we could play in the false like even I

1125
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 8: Just Died. I Just Died was a song that wasn't

1126
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 8: even supposed to be a song of false. When were there,

1127
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 8: Sarah Sarah, Yeah, I was like, Rich, that song is

1128
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 8: too low. I remember saying that. He was like, well,

1129
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 8: what do you mean? Because he would sing some of

1130
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 8: the songs right, and I was like, listen to where

1131
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 8: the track is. It's like staring at Amerror's e started

1132
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 8: to carefully called it. I was like, I can't even

1133
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 8: I can get there like this, but it begin get

1134
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 8: anywhere else, and I was like, all right, well, standing

1135
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 8: in ameera and I was like, I don't know, can

1136
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 8: I get all of that? And then I was like,

1137
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 8: oh yeah, I can in my false then staring, and

1138
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 8: then then when the song even gets higher. So we

1139
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 8: had so much room to play with, and I was like,

1140
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 8: I've been looking for this. It was literally like the

1141
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 8: perfect thing. We had this. I said, this track, this

1142
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 8: track right there that was gonna be float. I don't

1143
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 8: don't give it, don't give it away, it's ours. So

1144
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 8: we already knew from the meeting and sitting in that

1145
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 8: car that we had something. And we met right after

1146
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 8: that like a next week, and we started laying out.

1147
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 8: We started doing the demo right then and there those songs,

1148
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 8: some of those songs ended up being on the demo,

1149
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 8: and then actually some of those songs ended up being

1150
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 8: on the album, which we recorded sitting on the back

1151
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 8: of the sofa with the washing machine over there, and

1152
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 8: those ended up being the vocals because when we tried

1153
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 8: to go to the quote unquote real studio to do

1154
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 8: it for real this time, we had already done it

1155
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 8: and created the magic. So it wasn't the same, but

1156
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 8: it wasn't the same, like those vocals weren't the same.

1157
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 8: They really weren't the same. It wasn't it wasn't. It

1158
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 8: just wasn't the same.

1159
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: Okay, do you ever have did you have?

1160
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 8: That's what I needed to see. I'm gonna be surprised

1161
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 8: if you didn't have that.

1162
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 6: I don't just fun and needed the same Maha, Yeah, okay,

1163
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 6: that's that's one that That was one of the first

1164
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 6: ones we did and we loved, and I think that

1165
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 6: might have been the first.

1166
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 8: One we did, and and some of it it reminded

1167
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 8: me of a Leah actually a little bit, and I

1168
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 8: was like, wow, we really have something. But we were

1169
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 8: like at the same time, but this is not it,

1170
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 8: this is not it. We're getting there. But we got

1171
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 8: there like that next week, I mean song of the

1172
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 8: song of the song of the song of the song,

1173
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 8: because we understood like when I would say that that

1174
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 8: vocal was like, that's a trump I'm gonna sing it

1175
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 8: like a trumpet. I'm not gonna sing it, I'm gonna

1176
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 8: do it. It's a trumpet like, and he was like, yeah,

1177
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 8: that's that's this or this is like a string. So

1178
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 8: I will do a vocal certain way. And so we

1179
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 8: just understood. We had the same language because we're looking

1180
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 8: for the same thing.

1181
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: Like what time is this period?

1182
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: And then how do you guys wind up at the

1183
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: offices of Columbia.

1184
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 8: Ah, four months, maybe maybe four or five months.

1185
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: So this is happening like lightning.

1186
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 8: This is happening lightning. Speed, we meet, we start recording.

1187
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 8: He already had connect seat Jeff Burrows and Darryl Williams.

1188
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 8: There were Darrel Williams Jeff Brows were working together. Jeff

1189
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 8: Burrows had worked at a bad Boy and he was

1190
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 8: at Columbia, so he had a situation there Rise Entertainment

1191
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 8: and they were already watching Rich for a few years,

1192
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 8: at least a couple of years, and so they were

1193
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 8: always just kind of like send some stuff along, you know, dad.

1194
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 8: But Rich had found an artist he wanted to like

1195
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 8: walk in with like that, so he did have someone

1196
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 8: who was ready in the wings when it was time.

1197
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 8: So once we created a demo, that's when he let

1198
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 8: them know. And then it was like so things were

1199
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 8: kind of there in place. When you have something, let

1200
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 8: us know that kind of thing. So once we had it,

1201
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 8: we did have an end.

1202
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: You told me, but like, this is what your dream

1203
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: was like, even though you're going to college you want

1204
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 2: to be a singer. How supportive is your family to

1205
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: the idea of you not doing academia and getting into

1206
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: the music industry as we.

1207
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 8: Didn't even Oh right, who were you supposed to be

1208
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 8: doing English major?

1209
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so I was.

1210
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 8: I was an English major because I always loved books.

1211
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 8: But that's why it's naturally for some people. They're like, oh,

1212
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 8: you wanted to books? Are you pivoted? I was like, oh, no,

1213
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 8: I've always been. I've been writing books since I started

1214
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 8: journing when I was seven, and I've been writing books

1215
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 8: since I was that age, stapling little books, trying to

1216
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 8: making little newsletters. So that that's just me.

1217
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, all your book reports looking perfect for school?

1218
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 8: Oh, I was the Oh, I know, we have this

1219
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 8: history assignment where we have to write these essays. Can

1220
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 8: I write like a short like story.

1221
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: Your extra credits?

1222
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 8: Murph? I don't want to write an essay.

1223
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 7: I want to Yeah, she didn't need the extra credit.

1224
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: She's one to do.

1225
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I didn't need it. But you know, it's all

1226
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 8: always right now. I was like, let me just write

1227
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 8: this civil war civil war saga where the girl has

1228
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 8: two fat two members of or family fighting on opposite

1229
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 8: side instead of so it was it was actually kind

1230
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 8: of good actually looking for it for years. But so

1231
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 8: I was that was normal for me. But I wanted

1232
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 8: to sing and I want my last year of high school,

1233
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 8: I was like, you know, I think I want to

1234
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 8: go for this professional I think I want to do this,

1235
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 8: and that was another reason for choosing Georgetown. Right, So

1236
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 8: I'm there and then while I'm you know, we have

1237
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 8: a couple of slight bites maybe kind of sort of meetings.

1238
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 8: Doors might be opening, and so sophomore year, I was like, mommy, daddy,

1239
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 8: if it looks like maybe a deal could be coming.

1240
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 8: If I can get a deal, what do you think

1241
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 8: about me pausing university just to like pursue it. See

1242
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 8: my mom was like no, no, no. My dad was like, well,

1243
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 8: I don't know, those kind of opportunities don't always come.

1244
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 8: And I could see that both their opinions. But you know,

1245
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 8: I was like, okay, I had to think it over.

1246
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 8: But it didn't matter because I didn't even get the

1247
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 8: opportunity anyway until my senior year. Because Rich and I,

1248
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 8: I think we ron and I talked in December sometime

1249
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 8: or maybe it was January, Rich and I spoke, we did,

1250
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 8: we met up and started doing the demo in February,

1251
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 8: which is my last semester of senior year. And so

1252
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 8: thank god, it just kind of happened. I didn't have

1253
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 8: to try to make the choice, which which honestly, I

1254
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 8: think in retrospect it's not a good idea to leave

1255
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 8: school to do that. Like some people will be like, oh,

1256
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 8: take this chance. I'm a believer. If you all you'll

1257
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 8: do is one everything happens if it's supposed to happen.

1258
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 8: So it's supposed to happen for you. You know, alah, wah

1259
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 8: will it. It'll happen, don't you worry about it. But

1260
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 8: also you will become a better artist anyway, even always hone.

1261
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 8: You can always become better. But you already put in

1262
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 8: all this work. I mean literally, when you graduate from college,

1263
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 8: you're still like twenty one, like you know it felt

1264
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 8: old at the time, but you're twenty one, like you

1265
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 8: All you can do is just get better, grow as

1266
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 8: an artist, improve on your craft, get that under your belt.

1267
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 8: So you have that. And but at the time when

1268
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 8: I I didn't even have I don't know, I was

1269
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 8: like career fest resume. I don't even know what. I

1270
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 8: didn't do any of that. I was like, because this

1271
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 8: is gonna work, about to graduate in like four months.

1272
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 8: I don't know what's going to happen. But somehow I

1273
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 8: just knew. I mean I just had a feeling. I

1274
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 8: was like, it's going to happen, so I have to

1275
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 8: make that decision. But they were very supportive. All my

1276
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 8: mom was disappointed. I think she cried. Actually no, because

1277
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 8: she wanted me to be a professor or a lawyer.

1278
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: Got to live your dreams, not your parents' dreams.

1279
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Angela, who wanted to be an ice cream lady,

1280
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 8: turned out to be a lawyer. So that's that's good.

1281
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: Wait, that's what wanted to be.

1282
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, she wanted to be ice cream lady. I mean

1283
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 8: that last time we asked her was when she was

1284
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 8: like eight. But that was the last answer she gave us,

1285
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 8: the ice cream lady.

1286
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

1287
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: See in my mind, you like said, Okay, I'm gonna

1288
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: be a big star and you're going to be my lawyer.

1289
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 8: No, Angela was gonna she wanted to be a lawyer.

1290
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 8: You know, we had the conversations because there was a

1291
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 8: hot second where she was going to be maybe be

1292
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 8: my stylist, and my parents were like anybody stylist. Angela

1293
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 8: has her own path, and she's going to do her

1294
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 8: own path and it comes back around then she can

1295
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 8: do that. But the any times she's gonna do her

1296
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 8: own thing, which is good because then I would have

1297
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 8: been like feeling too much pressure.

1298
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: I know your sister's tired of me because I will

1299
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: always run up to her and reintroduce myself.

1300
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: She'd be like, it's Angela, a Marie's sister. Oh okay, sorry.

1301
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: It happened even at the Grammy's last Like I'm always

1302
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 2: meeting your sister and everyone else for the first time.

1303
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: See see Bill, You're not alone.

1304
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 8: It's a funny, little not so secret secret. But that

1305
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 8: happens to me as well for a lot of people

1306
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 8: that I know. It actually just happened to me the

1307
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 8: other day when I was at a party someone that

1308
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 8: I'm supposed to know pretty well, not pretty well, but

1309
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 8: we are passed across enough times where she's like hey, hey,

1310
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 8: and I'm like ah, and then I was like, no,

1311
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 8: I do know him from somewhere. It's like, yeah, you

1312
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 8: saw him two weeks ago. Remember that happened last time.

1313
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 8: You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, it

1314
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 8: didn't click. Because we're in a different environment.

1315
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you the most loaded broad questionquestion

1316
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: of all time.

1317
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 8: Oh gosh, you're preface.

1318
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: No, it's just I'm gonna let you because you answer

1319
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: and paragraphs. I decide not to just go bit by bit.

1320
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: He's met his match a Moory.

1321
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1322
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 5: Right, this feels like the battle of two worlds, like

1323
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 5: the same same person. Honestly, like talking to two versions

1324
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 5: of Save.

1325
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: We would have been vff is in a whole another lifetime.

1326
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: We're literally the same person. It's like talking to a mirror. Right,

1327
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 1: which your.

1328
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 8: Sign Cocorn sun sign a Quarius rising and Pisces moon.

1329
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 7: Wait damn wait wait where were you born?

1330
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: Girl?

1331
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1332
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 8: In January twelve. January twentieth twelve, you're January twentieth.

1333
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: Both of us are.

1334
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 8: So you're Capricorn too.

1335
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, the other side for you, I'll say,

1336
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm capable.

1337
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: Straight.

1338
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 8: Okay, your birthday is close as well. You're you're, you're

1339
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 8: we're the same day.

1340
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: We're both January twenty Oh wow, okay, but she was

1341
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: born twenty years after me.

1342
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, anywhere.

1343
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 7: All look very very young, eh this Saturday morning cartoon

1344
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 7: step on.

1345
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, So as broad as I can ask this question

1346
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: a Marie, and this is what we all want to know. Okay,

1347
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: can you give us your assessment of your experience recording

1348
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: for Columbia Records?

1349
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 8: Oh godding No, I didn't Brown, I don't say that. No,

1350
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 8: I'm just thinking I never felt like I was recording

1351
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 8: for them, because I came in, and I say, we

1352
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 8: we came in because me and Rich with our own

1353
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 8: music and our own sound, and they really did just

1354
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 8: leave us alone. They really did just leave us alone. Now,

1355
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 8: later they did try to play around with some things.

1356
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 8: I remember getting some different versions of hooks of one thing,

1357
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 8: and I was like what I was now, okay, they.

1358
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: Were trying to augment it or something.

1359
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 8: Oh no, it was like that hook is too linear

1360
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 8: quote unquote. I was like, I don't really know how

1361
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 8: to process that. I'm just feeling it out and it

1362
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 8: feels right to me. It feels good. But okay. So

1363
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 8: then there was this other worthy hook. I just wanted

1364
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 8: to them.

1365
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: The hook.

1366
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 8: Oh no, they had someone to sing it and everything.

1367
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 8: Then I was doubly offended. One thing I do get

1368
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 8: I can get offended when people try to change the

1369
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 8: thing unless it's solicited. But you know, sometimes the labels

1370
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 8: so jump in with unsolicited thought, how about this? Yeah,

1371
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 8: And I didn't like that, but generally they did just

1372
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 8: leave me alone with it, you know what I mean?

1373
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 8: Or maybe I just kind of just didn't really care

1374
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 8: because I just felt like I came in to do

1375
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 8: my own thing anyway. Like I was like, at my funeral,

1376
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 8: they're going to play Frank Sinatter's my way, That's what's

1377
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 8: going to be playing. I mean probably not really just

1378
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 8: little a little bit somber and weird to play at

1379
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 8: a funeral.

1380
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: Good question, I like that. What what song is going

1381
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: to play at my funeral? Guess what?

1382
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: And I've e'ched just in Stone with my lawyers. I'm

1383
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: not having a funeral.

1384
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 5: Okay.

1385
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: However, my plan is I will organize a bunch of dinners.

1386
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 2: We'll just cut to the chase, We'll go to the repast.

1387
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: I will organize a bunch of dinners.

1388
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 3: Like your birthdays.

1389
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I organized.

1390
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 2: A bunch of dinners for all my loved ones to

1391
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: just sit and have a meal. And that's remembering a

1392
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 2: mirror we're not. I'm sorry I've been to especially in

1393
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: the last three years post COVID. I'm done with funerals.

1394
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: Like I'm done Eye on the Sparrow. I'm done with

1395
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 2: Eye on the Sparrow. I'm done with that.

1396
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 3: Nothing mere. I no song we could play, not really.

1397
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I would force y'all to play the most

1398
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: goofy song on earth.

1399
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: You know, it would be still, it'd be a theme

1400
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 3: song never mind.

1401
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like you know, the Elmo Elmo's World something.

1402
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm so unseerious about that. So when I'm

1403
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 2: asking you your experience at Colombian Sony, was it hard

1404
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 2: just finding your space in your lane.

1405
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 8: Where you can just you know, Okay? Well, one, it's

1406
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 8: funny that you say that about the R and B part,

1407
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 8: because when I was creating, actually I listened to some

1408
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 8: R and B and that I was really looking to music.

1409
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 8: And before that, Yeah, but I had gone through a

1410
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 8: long period I actually didn't really like R and B,

1411
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 8: listen to it only but even when I was in college.

1412
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 8: When I was in college and a little bit after that,

1413
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 8: I only listened to hip hop, no R and B

1414
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 8: or what I called boring R and B and that's

1415
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 8: what I call it. It's boring. And so that's what

1416
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 8: I liked to about Rich too, because and there were

1417
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 8: great R and B rs, I'm sure, but it's just

1418
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 8: there was just just in general, like for me, the genre,

1419
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 8: it's boring and it's boring to me. So that's why

1420
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 8: I need that hip hop element in there, because for myself,

1421
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So I just didn't listen

1422
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 8: to any of it and then and then I fell

1423
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 8: back in love with it again, but I always needed,

1424
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 8: like my favorite era of R and B was hip

1425
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 8: hop and r Andy got married, So that's why we

1426
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 8: align on that. As far as like what was tough

1427
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 8: about Columbia, See, this is a thing like artistically, they

1428
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 8: really did leave me alone. Like I said, what was tough, Well,

1429
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 8: you had a lot of artists there who were like

1430
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 8: really big before I got there, So it wasn't hard

1431
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 8: to get traction or the building behind you in the

1432
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 8: sense that like a creative vibe. It's just there's a

1433
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 8: marketing department and their job is to do that, and

1434
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 8: this is their publicity department, and their job is to

1435
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 8: do this. And I can tell that as much as

1436
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 8: their kind and you know their kind and all of that,

1437
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 8: but their priority is not me. I am not their priority.

1438
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 8: I can tell it that that. This is just there's

1439
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 8: no priority.

1440
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 1: But then there saw a thing where it's like everybody

1441
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: can be on.

1442
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 8: Top, like I mean, honestly, you should be able to.

1443
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,440
Speaker 1: Do that, but when it should.

1444
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 8: Be able to do that, That's that's what smaller labels understood.

1445
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 8: Smaller labels led by you know, black producers who had

1446
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 8: have an artist. Everyone was hottowntown and even with get

1447
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 8: Young money. For a while, it was like we have this, this, this, this,

1448
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 8: and the more successful we are, the more successful we

1449
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 8: all are, and we spread it and that's how it

1450
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 8: should be. But that's not actually, you know, it's more corporate.

1451
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 8: It's tony, so it's a much a more, much more

1452
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 8: corporate culture, and a corporate way of thinking is not

1453
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 8: like a crew with a figure or like. And they

1454
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 8: would try to do that like they try to do

1455
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 8: so many urban music dollans different things, but it was

1456
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 8: still very top down, you know, so they just they

1457
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 8: didn't get that. And then what I then there was

1458
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 8: a little I think a little bit of tension as well,

1459
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 8: because are some inner things that were happening with the

1460
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 8: people who I don't want to say too specifically because

1461
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 8: it's not my story to tell, but the people that

1462
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 8: I was working with, various people that I was working with,

1463
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 8: and the tensions between them and amongst themselves and the

1464
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 8: label and all the stuff that didn't have to do

1465
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 8: with me, but specifically with them, and so that kind

1466
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 8: of made it pretty difficult, I think as far as

1467
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 8: like because it was going all the way to the top,

1468
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 8: so it's very difficult to kind of get things to

1469
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 8: move because of that. Then on top of that, I

1470
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 8: was never in those conversations, but I definitely got wind

1471
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 8: of people trying to maybe like take a song, take

1472
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 8: my song and stuff, but I was like, well, you

1473
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 8: can't do that because I also co wrote the song,

1474
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 8: so you literally legal you don't have to deal with that,

1475
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 8: which I'm sure they found frustrating. So the thing with oh,

1476
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 8: I don't think I actually told you this part, or

1477
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 8: maybe I did. No, we didn't talk about this, So

1478
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 8: we didn't talk. One thing actually only came out we

1479
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 8: did talk.

1480
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't know that, but I'm building the drama here.

1481
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 2: We never talked about this thought.

1482
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Did she freeze?

1483
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 5: That's what you get for put in so much drama

1484
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 5: of the world.

1485
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: Did you freeze? I'm freeze, amany please?

1486
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 5: I sort of kind of thought she was praying that

1487
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 5: last one freeze.

1488
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: Come on.

1489
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 3: That's lining he liked this thing over.

1490
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.

1491
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: We don't necessarily want to gaslight you, uh visually. So

1492
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 2: what had happened was about well five weeks ago, back

1493
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 2: in June, oh, two months ago, eight weeks ago, we

1494
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: had a Wi Fi discreption and see and then it

1495
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: became the most hilarious game of kick the can down

1496
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 2: the road and we'll do the episode tomorrow. All right,

1497
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: Well next week's cool. Ah damn, I'm out of town.

1498
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: The week after, well damn, I'm going on tour after that.

1499
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: So now here we are some two months later, janky

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01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 2: as possible.

1501
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: We're not even going to try to This is.

1502
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 7: Good a mirror because you know what, you know why

1503
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 7: I'm excited while we're two months later, because I can

1504
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 7: talk to y'all about the picnic. I could talk to

1505
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 7: y'all about a Marie performing with the Go Go Bank

1506
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 7: like I. So I'm excited. So I'm no shade. But

1507
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 7: things happened the way they should.

1508
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: We did weird enough stop at the entry point we did.

1509
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy that we spent an hour forty minutes in

1510
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 2: social foreplay. I'm talking about life and our philosophies, and

1511
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 2: we started recording Career one hour.

1512
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,440
Speaker 1: Forty minutes into the conversation.

1513
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: All right, so, and I'm glad we have this time

1514
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: because then there's a lot of milks and crannies that.

1515
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 1: We did and pick up for starters.

1516
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: Fall in Love is one of the shortest sing I

1517
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: almost consider it an interlude more than I consider it

1518
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: a full flit song.

1519
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: Was that truly the goal?

1520
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 9: Like it was technically an intro.

1521
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 8: Technically it wasn't made to be the intro, but we

1522
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 8: were like, this where the sequencing goes, this is the intro,

1523
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 8: and it is the intro to the album. It's the

1524
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 8: intro to me. I felt like that was a perfect

1525
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 8: song to introduce me. I was like, if I could

1526
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 8: encapsulate who I am as an artist right now, I

1527
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 8: feel like this is probably the best introduction that I

1528
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 8: have right now, and I felt.

1529
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 9: Like it works perfectly. So it was an intro and

1530
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 9: it wasn't going to be the first single.

1531
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 8: Talking to Me was the first single technically that the

1532
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 8: record label had chosen, and then I.

1533
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 9: Was fine with that. It was a little slow for me,

1534
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 9: to be honestly, to be the first single.

1535
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't know, it's a little slow

1536
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 8: to be the first single, and maybe something a little

1537
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 8: bit more aggressive is what I wanted. But I was like,

1538
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 8: you know, I don't know, so that's fine. We shout

1539
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 8: the video and everything.

1540
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: First thing.

1541
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this is something that we were

1542
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: rhyme too. And you know there's been Marx and history

1543
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: to where none EMCs were picking music that was almost

1544
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: MC ready, Like I remember rhyme.

1545
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 7: Talking to me, That's what I was thinking to talking

1546
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 7: to me.

1547
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: I remember, I mean the day, the day that Mary's

1548
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 2: My Life came out.

1549
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,839
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, didn't you give us that cassette?

1550
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 2: I remember you being in the we were like doing

1551
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: DC heavy, like we were in the DMV doing Howard

1552
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: and our usual promo thing. You were in the van

1553
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: with us, and I remember, like we just got in

1554
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: a promo of Mary's My Life.

1555
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: And suddenly.

1556
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: I had the same issues with the music as my

1557
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 2: parents had with hip hop, because it was like, wait

1558
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: a minute, why she's singing.

1559
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: Over a loop? What like this is just for rappers

1560
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: and rappers only.

1561
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: Like when My Life came on, I was crying foul, like, no,

1562
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: can't take Roy Air song and just I don't remember

1563
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: the lyrics on top of it, and she can't sing

1564
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: over like she just singing.

1565
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 9: Over him hop beats. I remember that was a big complaint.

1566
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 2: Right, And then one someone said, well, oh so it's

1567
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: cool for brand newbie and a rhyme over it, but

1568
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: it's not cool for Mary to do it. And I

1569
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, but R and B people are supposed

1570
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: to create the music that we want to.

1571
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: Take, but they can't. Wow, what the line in front

1572
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: of us?

1573
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: That's how I was thinking in ninety four, and even

1574
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: though like since that point people have done it. When

1575
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: fall in Love came out, that was like, Wow, finally

1576
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 2: there's a producer that musicallyague kind of things like I do.

1577
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: Like I felt that that was the closest to.

1578
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: A non commercial, Like it just sounded too real to me,

1579
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: and I was just like, whoa, who's this?

1580
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 3: And samples and fall in Love? Right, I'm trying to

1581
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 3: think there is what's the sample on the phone?

1582
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 8: Oh wait, I'm thinking about the Love remix, which is crazy.

1583
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: Gene carn what gene corn? Yeah, man startist stripping?

1584
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 9: Well, what's the sample in the fall love? Remax?

1585
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no.

1586
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 9: We always felt like that should have gotten.

1587
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 7: The beginning of a song is the beginning of something,

1588
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 7: huh that international?

1589
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: Oh me or shame?

1590
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: I know, I feel my city, I feel my city.

1591
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I felt yeah.

1592
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 2: But for me, At no point did anyone at the

1593
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 2: label say, yo, make this joint into a full fledged

1594
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 2: song if we're going to shoot a video to it, or.

1595
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 8: Some people did ask like, oh, it's kind of short,

1596
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 8: you want to make it longer.

1597
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 9: But I think we agreed.

1598
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 8: Everyone pretty much agreed from job that better to have

1599
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 8: people want to repeat it than have it.

1600
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 9: Go on too long.

1601
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: See you're ahead of the time.

1602
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: See now we live in that age where most songs

1603
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 2: are under two minutes.

1604
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 9: You know, really, are they not sure?

1605
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: There's there's an artist now whose complete album, like the

1606
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: average song is like under two minutes and fifteen seconds.

1607
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: Like that's wow.

1608
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: Socially and politically, not only are we emulating the fifties,

1609
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: but even creatively, you know, which tells me that, Okay,

1610
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: the rebirth of the album era might come back. Maybe

1611
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: in the twenty thirty.

1612
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1613
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 8: You know what, that's a good point because you know,

1614
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,839
Speaker 8: we always want whatever's going on now than the pendulum swings,

1615
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 8: and it's you know, I think you mentioned the fifties,

1616
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 8: and then I think about even like just throughout human history,

1617
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 8: like thousands of years, we have a way of thinking

1618
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 8: that whatever is happening now is the first time that

1619
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 8: this has happened, or that we're on a progression, like.

1620
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: The end of it, right, the end of it right.

1621
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 8: But where's everything's just cyclical, like there's nothing that's they

1622
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 8: say there's nothing new under the sun, or I think

1623
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 8: that's actually in the Bible. But everything that's happened has

1624
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 8: already happened. Whether people are thinking like this is a

1625
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 8: super progressive idea. It's like throughout human history there have

1626
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 8: been times where things have been way over here and

1627
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 8: way over there.

1628
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 9: We just repeat because we're still the same beans.

1629
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 3: They knew its technology.

1630
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 9: It feels like the one that's new is technology.

1631
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 8: I wonder what kind of sounds like if someone's playing

1632
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 8: like an ood or whatever, like back in the day

1633
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 8: and they're like, oh, this is kind of I like

1634
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 8: that beats and then things are all slow.

1635
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 9: Again, I don't know.

1636
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: No, you're right, I mean, because look, when the Summer

1637
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 2: of Life happened with Woodstock, you would have thought, oh,

1638
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: this is a rival something new. No, Woodstock was the

1639
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 2: end of that period, civil rights period, the summer of Love.

1640
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 2: When satur nighte Fever came came out, you would have

1641
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: thought that was the arrival of the disco era in

1642
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven.

1643
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: Here it is Nope, the.

1644
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: Backlash happened immediately, and sad to say, when Thriller happened,

1645
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: you would have thought, hey, this is this is the

1646
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: arrival of Michael Jackson.

1647
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: Where now we could sort of kind of say Thriller was.

1648
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 2: The ending of Michael, the undoing of Michael Jackson.

1649
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 9: Michael Jackson, you know, custin dude.

1650
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: And he's my idol. This is no, it's not shade

1651
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1652
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 7: But if he make me scared about where bad comes

1653
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 7: into conversation, but that's just yea well, because.

1654
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: The thing, see, the thing that at least he was

1655
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 2: genius about was that in his mind, like I've always

1656
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: been historically afraid of kids are so damn honest, like

1657
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: they don't know how to be cynical or they don't

1658
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 2: know how to be They don't know how to bullshit you.

1659
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: So if a.

1660
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: Kid immediately likes the song, then that song's forever, no

1661
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: matter what.

1662
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: And George Clinton said the same thing.

1663
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: But I think where Michael sort of discounted was Thriller

1664
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the music or the talent

1665
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 2: or any of those things.

1666
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:17,839
Speaker 1: Thriller had with timing.

1667
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 2: MTV was a year old, and I mean, just like

1668
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: Drake took advantage of viralness and Instagram, and you know,

1669
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: like Michael took advantage of MTV. Thus that is why

1670
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 2: he sold one hundred million units, because he was he

1671
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 2: was the one that mastered the ideal viralness. But also,

1672
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: unfortunately Thriller, what's most talked about is never the quality,

1673
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 2: it's always the quantity. How many awards did it win,

1674
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 2: how much money did he make, how many units did

1675
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: he sell? And thus that caused a flooding that never stopped,

1676
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 2: which is why money became more important to us. How

1677
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: much we sold, you ain't ship because units sell. This

1678
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 2: units like Thriller was one of the greatest moments. But

1679
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 2: I also see Thriller as a burden that no one has,

1680
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: including Michael, has been able to cross. So I considered

1681
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 2: thriller at best, I can say thriller is a penultimate

1682
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: to the ending of Michael Jackson as opposed to the arrival.

1683
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 2: But that's with everything with Obama. We were all happy

1684
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: days are here again. Nope, I feel like Obama's Eero

1685
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 2: was the last time that we had the wool over

1686
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: our eyes, like, yep, nothing to see here, Everything's okay

1687
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 2: until and once the unarmed shootings happened and everything, So

1688
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: I feel like now and.

1689
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 8: Siclicoles, it sounds like you always feel like the pinnacle

1690
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 8: is the beginning of the end.

1691
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,440
Speaker 9: But you know what, that is the climax.

1692
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 8: In any story or in a movie story, right, the

1693
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 8: climax actually is the end. After that, you just have

1694
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 8: the dinner mart, you just have you have the everything's

1695
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 8: cooling down after that. But the climax is at the

1696
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 8: end of the story or near the end of the story,

1697
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 8: and after that you do just have a denim wall

1698
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 8: into the and then the beginning of the next.

1699
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 2: Story, which which is why I feel with no hesitation

1700
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: of doubt whatsoever, no matter how much they trying to

1701
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 2: move the gold.

1702
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: Post or whatever politically.

1703
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 2: This is why I feel the Harris Wats administration will

1704
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 2: truly be the beginning.

1705
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 9: That we're on a different page. But we're not going

1706
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 9: to talk about politic.

1707
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 7: Mead, we ain't gonna talk about politics.

1708
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 9: We ain't gonna talk about that to you either.

1709
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 7: Oh I'm intrigued, though, Amory on some other platform, I

1710
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 7: would love.

1711
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 3: Long, But I know it's good. I know a.

1712
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 8: Whole bunch of could have should have would as a

1713
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 8: whole bunch I could have should have would put it

1714
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 8: this way, Yes, unless you are standing for a against genocide,

1715
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 8: I just can't.

1716
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 9: I'm just I'm just not.

1717
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 8: And I've heard people throw out the H for the

1718
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 8: H name towards all these other candidates, one in particular.

1719
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 9: But I'm like, all right, but did he help kill

1720
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 9: two hundred thousand people? I'm just I'm just that's what

1721
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 9: I'm saying.

1722
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 8: You say, you could say all these other things, and

1723
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 8: maybe someone the next response is, well, he would have,

1724
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 8: he would have it, maybe he would have done worse.

1725
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 8: And I'm like, well maybe maybe maybe, maybe maybe not,

1726
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 8: maybe yes, maybe no, but I can't go on.

1727
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 9: Maybe. I just know what I see, and I know

1728
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 9: we have.

1729
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: To go in as You're right, I know we have

1730
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: to go as right.

1731
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 8: And also it's kind of like, I don't know if

1732
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 8: we were If we were, this is a it's not

1733
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 8: a direct parallel to that. But if we were like

1734
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 8: living in the Confederacy right now, I don't really know

1735
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 8: if I would have been really arguing that hard on

1736
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 8: which Confederate president we're going to get and how much

1737
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 8: it would have made a difference, like necessarily to me

1738
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 8: if I was enslaved. I'm sure there have been something,

1739
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 8: some minor things maybe, but generally, you.

1740
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 7: Know, if we were living in the Confederate moment, that's

1741
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 7: a huge if it.

1742
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 8: But what I mean is that sometimes you know, people

1743
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 8: will try to do the lesser evil thing. Oh yeah, yeah,

1744
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 8: Well that's why I said this is a long this

1745
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 8: is a whole other thing.

1746
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean I've heard yes, I've heard that too. I mean,

1747
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 2: right now I'm doing whatever possible to stop forty five

1748
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: from what's happening.

1749
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 3: And giving their women rights back for their bodies. I

1750
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 3: don't know that's important too. So it's a whole list

1751
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 3: of importance and things.

1752
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's a.

1753
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 8: Whole the topic as well, unpopular opinions on that as well.

1754
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 7: But oh I'm dreaming Marie, when is the podcast for

1755
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 7: my friends?

1756
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 9: My friends have I have friends who are just like

1757
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 9: some of some of a couple of them maybe who.

1758
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 8: Are like vote blue no matter who, some who are

1759
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 8: like no, I think that this is actually good to go.

1760
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 7: You know.

1761
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 8: I have some people who are like, I'm definitely gonna

1762
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 8: do third party support that build the framework while everybody

1763
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 8: else is doing all the other stuff, because it's just

1764
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 8: build a third party frame.

1765
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 9: Which is it has to be done.

1766
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 8: If we want to have like four or five parties,

1767
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 8: we're gonna have someone have to do it.

1768
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 9: So while everyone's in the frame.

1769
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Till Jill come back.

1770
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 9: Wait, No, it's no, it's.

1771
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 8: Always going to be a boogeyman. It's always going to

1772
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 8: be a boogeyman. It's never the it's never the best time.

1773
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 8: So someone just has to do in the meantime. Because

1774
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 8: it's a five to ten year, twenty year. You gotta

1775
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 8: think like China thirty years down the road, you know

1776
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. You can't just think about right now.

1777
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 8: So it's like someone has to do that while everyone

1778
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 8: else is doing the other thing.

1779
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 3: That's true.

1780
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 8: I also know people who are super pro black, like

1781
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 8: Pan African they send it priate after schools.

1782
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 9: They voted Trump last time, and they'd be voting for

1783
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 9: him again.

1784
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Things are better pregnant.

1785
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 9: But well, I don't know if they're black. I would

1786
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 9: hope that we have more babies.

1787
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 8: I'll just say that, Oh I'm tired of I'm just

1788
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 8: saying we've been sitting at thirteen percent.

1789
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 7: Who as long as somebodyiest marine, as long as somebody

1790
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 7: could be the babies.

1791
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 8: There's that.

1792
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 9: There is that.

1793
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 8: But the majority of the world is more impoverished than

1794
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 8: we are, and they don't tie their family to money.

1795
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 9: They have kids.

1796
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 8: And but some people will be like, you know, because

1797
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 8: I was reading this one book, I had a book

1798
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 8: club book, and they were like one of the moments

1799
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 8: in the book, I was like, interesting, I never thought

1800
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 8: about it like that.

1801
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 9: The woman was a housekeeper from South America.

1802
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 8: And she was cleaning the house for the lady and

1803
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 8: the lady lived in a big house, a white lady,

1804
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 8: and they had one son. And she said, you're pregnant again.

1805
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 8: And of course she was like, why do you people

1806
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 8: keep having children that you can't pay for? And she's like,

1807
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 8: you don't think about like how you can provide and

1808
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 8: she said no, Senora, And I was like, interesting, because

1809
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 8: when the lady got pregnant, I was like, oh, man,

1810
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 8: y'all are living in this shared space.

1811
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 9: You got two kids, it's hard. Now you're pregnant again.

1812
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 9: I don't know, girl, what's going on. And she's a

1813
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 9: grown woman. But when she.

1814
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 8: Said that to the lady, I thought, interesting, we have

1815
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 8: so much on this side and there are people who

1816
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 8: are struggling. But I'm just saying there's different it's relative,

1817
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 8: there's different level. I was like, she's sitting in this

1818
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 8: wealthy woman's house.

1819
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 9: She's not even that welly. She's probably up middle class.

1820
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 8: White lady, big huge, three hundred square thousand square foot

1821
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 8: house me before thousand square foot house, just her and

1822
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 8: her husband and one child. And they were like, this

1823
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 8: is all we can do to provide what we want

1824
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 8: to provide for our son, which is fair. But then

1825
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 8: you have another woman who's like, the amount of children

1826
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 8: I have is not determined by our finances. It's about

1827
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 8: family and growing the family. And many people in the

1828
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 8: world think like that, and I never really thought about

1829
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 8: it that way until I read the book.

1830
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 3: We're capitalists as fuck, I mean, as America, so.

1831
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 8: It's like, well, when you when you're like, yeah, when

1832
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,759
Speaker 8: you're throwing all the women in the workplace and everyone's

1833
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 8: feeling like they don't have enough to survive and everything inflation,

1834
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 8: you can be like, man, you got to pay for this,

1835
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 8: And I agree, But also I can see the other

1836
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 8: side and say, well, people make do with a lot

1837
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 8: less and still have five six kids, And so there's

1838
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 8: no real answering there. It's just more of a question

1839
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 8: and a perspect something to think about. But I just

1840
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 8: know me myself, I'm not on the page of like

1841
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 8: when it comes to like those women's.

1842
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 9: Rights, da da da da da da. I have mixed.

1843
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 8: Feelings because I know that when it came to the

1844
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 8: BLO population anyway, it wasn't because they were like, you

1845
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 8: need some rights. It was like, it's too many of

1846
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 8: y'all and we don't want that. So we're gonna put

1847
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 8: this here and here and here. Now what y'all do

1848
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 8: with it is what you do with it. But I'm

1849
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 8: just saying I'm not gonna be waving the batter and

1850
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 8: say this's a black and white thing.

1851
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 9: It's individual.

1852
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: But it's just nice to have the choice. It's just

1853
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 3: nice to have.

1854
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,480
Speaker 9: Sho, I'm not happy.

1855
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 8: I'm not happy that the majority of children the potentialized

1856
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 8: whatever you want to say, I'm not It doesn't make

1857
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 8: me happy that the majority of them, or like it's

1858
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 8: not thirteen percent, it's like a twenty five, thirty percent

1859
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 8: or half, or that doesn't make me feel.

1860
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 9: Good, you know what I'm saying.

1861
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 8: So I don't know what the answer is, but I

1862
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 8: know that doesn't make me happy.

1863
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 2: And on the other side of that argument, there's also

1864
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 2: like health issues we have to figure out. Yeah, there's yeah,

1865
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people just for health issues

1866
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 2: reasons have to terminate a pregnancy.

1867
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 9: Yes, that sounds real. I mean that's what I say.

1868
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 9: It's complicated. But I'm just like, yeah, who do you

1869
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 9: need this?

1870
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 7: I'm like, h No, I think people are just fighting

1871
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 7: for their choice, to make their choice for themselves. So

1872
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 7: just like, just don't tell me what to do. Just

1873
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 7: let me. My man said last night, too many people

1874
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 7: in the hospital room with me. Let me make my choice.

1875
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 8: I'm a firm believer in body sovereignty and you need that.

1876
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 8: But across the board, so when now the COVID now

1877
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 8: they're talking about empos, I'm a believer.

1878
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 3: And I am accination too. I see you A Marie.

1879
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 8: I am A my body, it's my body, it's my choice,

1880
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 8: it's my family's choice.

1881
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 9: It's like this is bully.

1882
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 8: I'm a and I'm a free speech absolutist. I'm not

1883
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 8: for that censorship either.

1884
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 3: My friend was like, are you at Africanist as well?

1885
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 3: A Marie? Are you a little bit of a pan

1886
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 3: Africanist as one?

1887
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 8: I think so, but I'd have to look at and see,

1888
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 8: like what what technically that is?

1889
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 9: But I fall into that as well.

1890
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: I was.

1891
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 8: My friend was like, I don't know what they ever

1892
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 8: trying to figure it out, because you know, I got

1893
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 8: a Republican friends. People who don't were independent just across

1894
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 8: the board, They're like, well what are you? And I

1895
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 8: was like, I've always said I'm just independ But I

1896
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 8: was like they were like, I know what you are.

1897
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 8: Someone just texting me out the blue. They're like, you're

1898
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 8: a libertarian. And I was like, you know, there was

1899
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 8: a point where I thought maybe I was because I'm

1900
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 8: just like everybody just.

1901
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 9: Do what they wanted. But I was like not quite.

1902
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 9: Then I was like maybe not.

1903
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 8: I think what it is is I just don't really

1904
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 8: have any kind of I can't fall into any niche

1905
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 8: because I agree with this and I don't agree with that.

1906
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 9: I agree with this, but I don't agree with that.

1907
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 9: I agree with this, but I don't.

1908
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 8: Agree with that, meaning this, this group, this group, this group,

1909
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 8: this group.

1910
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 9: So I think I'm more of.

1911
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: An American.

1912
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 7: Because you have the right to be that way, right,

1913
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 7: Like awful you you know what I mean.

1914
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 9: When those people were tearing down those COVID masks and

1915
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 9: they were being belligerent in the targets and knocking on

1916
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 9: them racks, and everyone's.

1917
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 8: Like they're being stupid, and I was like, I mean,

1918
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 8: it's really out of control. But they're also the first

1919
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 8: line of our civil defense actually, so let them just

1920
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 8: be doing their thing. They don't really necessarily care about

1921
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 8: my civil rights necessarily, But it's okay.

1922
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 3: You don't need you don't.

1923
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 8: You just need people to act sometimes and you it's

1924
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 8: just like whether it's political parties, whether it's certain groups

1925
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 8: of why certain groups can come together and they may

1926
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 8: be completely our opposite side of the political spectrum, but

1927
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 8: on one issue they agree. People have to be able

1928
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 8: to find common ground and you have to understand, like

1929
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 8: when the chess pieces are moving like, for instance, all right,

1930
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 8: they're going to use this democratic president to do these

1931
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 8: things while they're trying to do that, and now when

1932
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 8: it's another time and it's like a Republican president, that's

1933
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 8: going to be the time to usher in these other things.

1934
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 8: But see what ended up happening. You're like, well what happened?

1935
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 8: It's like, actually it's from the president that was sent

1936
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 8: when the Democrat democratic president was in or what's happening now, Well,

1937
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 8: that kind of got kind of slid in when the

1938
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 8: Republican was a president. It's like two hands to the

1939
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 8: same body. Yeah, which is why we need more political parties.

1940
01:34:59,040 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: So what was it?

1941
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:01,799
Speaker 5: What was your second single?

1942
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: Now?

1943
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 2: In terms of the first album? First of all, who

1944
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 2: were the higher ups at Sony Columbia. Was it Donnie

1945
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,679
Speaker 2: and Tommy still or was at that time.

1946
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 9: Donnie was still there?

1947
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I'm always I'm like the worst at

1948
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 8: remembering things, honestly, but yes, I remember Donnie was still there.

1949
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 8: I don't know if Tommy was there. I never met him,

1950
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 8: so I don't I don't think he was there. How

1951
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 8: I got into Sony at Columbia was because I think

1952
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 8: we talked about that I was. I met Rich, but

1953
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 8: Rich already was being someone was already kind of just

1954
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 8: like watching out for him to see how what was

1955
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 8: developing for the last couple of years previously when we met,

1956
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 8: before we met, and that was Jeff Burrows and Darryl Williams.

1957
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 8: They had a Rise Entertainment and Jeff had really come

1958
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 8: from Bad Boy and then he had a situation he

1959
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 8: was trying to get going with Columbia. He just didn't

1960
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 8: have an artist that he wanted yet, and so he

1961
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 8: was just kind of watching with Rich. So we kind

1962
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,440
Speaker 8: of created that and they brought us into the system.

1963
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: So at that time, like who was your A and

1964
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: R at the label?

1965
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 9: I remember Space, I remember his name, but it's because

1966
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 9: we didn't.

1967
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 8: Have an R ring at that time. We did did

1968
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 8: our project. It was like a thing that we did

1969
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 8: and we delivered it and that was done. It was

1970
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 8: really just like finishing touches.

1971
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: It was.

1972
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't like feedback and hay, I like no, no, no, no, no,

1973
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 2: try and go back and do this again.

1974
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 9: No, the feedback It was pretty much like this is great.

1975
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 9: And that was it.

1976
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 8: Because also there was Rich and I and then we

1977
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 8: had Jeff and Daryl, their partners.

1978
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 9: And then we had Columbia. So by that time we

1979
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 9: had kind.

1980
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 8: Of already vetted it, and Jeff had already vetted it,

1981
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 8: felt good about it, and they trusted him with it.

1982
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 8: So someone hearing something, Yes, they tried. They did try

1983
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 8: to get certain things finished, like just the label was

1984
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 8: really instrumental in closing out the project, mixing and all

1985
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 8: that stuff like that. But the an R for the

1986
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 8: first album, that really was.

1987
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,560
Speaker 9: Just us for that development.

1988
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 7: That's because I was like, what about the vision where

1989
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 7: they had their hands They didn't even have their hand

1990
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 7: in the vision.

1991
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 8: I remember Donnie got really mad at my first shoot.

1992
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 9: I heard in the meeting.

1993
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:29,759
Speaker 8: He was so upset about not the is the shoot.

1994
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 9: So on the back of the album, the back.

1995
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 8: Of the album has the song titles on it, and

1996
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 8: it's just me on a chaise lounge or whatever, and

1997
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 8: it's just like wearing like black shorts are pretty listen.

1998
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 9: It's quite It was to me.

1999
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 8: It was kind of tame then, but it's super tame

2000
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:46,520
Speaker 8: compared to what's happening now.

2001
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 9: But it was just he said, why what is this?

2002
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 9: Why is it all liked? And he was really upset.

2003
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 9: Most people will have their labels like trying to make

2004
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 9: them naked. But he was just he just that was

2005
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 9: just too much. He was upset.

2006
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 8: I mean, hen' telling me that, But that's the feedback.

2007
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 8: They're like, he really didn't like that.

2008
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 9: I was like, this just sitting down, you can't even

2009
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 9: it's not even frontwards, just from the side. It's just legs. Really,

2010
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 9: that's it. And he's just like he thought.

2011
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: It was easy. Well whatever you call that thing.

2012
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, lying down, lying on the shades, and then it's

2013
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 8: just a.

2014
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 9: Complete side view. So it's just like leg But again,

2015
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 9: super tan people would look at and be.

2016
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,679
Speaker 1: Like, what bad album. I don't call that, but okay,

2017
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: he is.

2018
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 9: The back is the back of the album. It's the

2019
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 9: back of the album where the song titles are.

2020
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying, Like, you probably not even thinking

2021
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 8: about it that way because it's it's super tank. But

2022
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 8: I remember when I went to the Soul Train Awards too.

2023
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,839
Speaker 8: I remember they were the label's nervous. They're like dresses,

2024
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 8: the dresses really well, it was it was kind of

2025
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 8: it was kind of risque. It was kind of risque.

2026
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 8: It was like basically basically like a David Downer but

2027
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 8: Patricia Fields, they made that dress and it was like

2028
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 8: a dress that was like a body suit, like a

2029
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 8: bathing suit body suit, but we added more because I

2030
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 8: didn't want cheeks to come out. And then it was

2031
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 8: just like the train of it all was black, like

2032
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 8: chiffon or something, so it was black just see through,

2033
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 8: so it was it was it was quite revealing, but

2034
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 8: you couldn't see any cheeks.

2035
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 7: It's just shocking because you would think all labels want

2036
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 7: all their female singers to be.

2037
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 3: Like shoo shoo, you know, pow powow.

2038
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 8: So yeah, but I think it depends on what they

2039
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 8: want to do, right, because if they're just like, we

2040
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 8: don't want we wanted a little bit more wholesome maybe

2041
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 8: or something.

2042
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: And my ve cass, I thought you were the girl

2043
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 1: next door.

2044
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 9: I felt like it was. I didn't think it was

2045
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 9: too much.

2046
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 8: But you know, it's funny because my thing was like

2047
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 8: I was like, listen, I like short shorts because they

2048
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 8: were also kind of like shorts of the video kind

2049
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 8: of short. They were like okay, okay, you know, but

2050
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 8: I was like, listen, I love short shorts.

2051
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 9: And here's the thing about me.

2052
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 8: I was like, you know, whether I show a lot

2053
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 8: of skin or whether I show no skin. My whole

2054
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 8: thing about who I am is I'm going to do

2055
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 8: what I want to do because I will be in

2056
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 8: control of my own image and I will be in

2057
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 8: control of my sexuality. No one is going to be

2058
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 8: in control of that. So if I want to be

2059
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 8: like I have the legs out on the chadels, or

2060
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,759
Speaker 8: I want to wear short shorts in the video, but

2061
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 8: you know, it's still it's still tame. But then if

2062
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 8: I do im Mense magazine thing, I don't want a bikini,

2063
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 8: I don't want I want pants and I want this.

2064
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 8: You know.

2065
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 9: My whole thing was like, you know, I have to

2066
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:28,839
Speaker 9: it's my it's.

2067
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 8: My, it's it's me, it's my body, it's myself, and

2068
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 8: I want to be in charge of myself, you know

2069
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:34,679
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.

2070
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: So for the three years that transpire between all I

2071
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 2: have in touch, was there active conversations on how to

2072
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 2: build up on the momentum. Because the thing was, when

2073
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: one thing came, nobody saw that shit coming. It just

2074
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 2: literally landed out of nowhere like a boulder out the sky,

2075
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 2: like oh shit, what And then that's a good way

2076
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 2: just landed on us. In such a hard weight, like

2077
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 2: I distinctively remember like when I first heard I just

2078
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 2: got my license.

2079
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: That was like one of the first songs that like

2080
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 1: my whole.

2081
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 5: Listen, let's get to it.

2082
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: No, let's not get into it.

2083
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 2: No, I graduated, Listen, I graduated high school and immediately,

2084
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 2: like setting the motion, like a big part of the

2085
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 2: root stories that we had to move to Europe, you know,

2086
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: like two years after regraduating high school and us making it,

2087
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: we moved to Europe and lived in London for like

2088
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,919
Speaker 2: the longest. But even at that, like we were touring

2089
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 2: two hundred days out the year, so like I mean,

2090
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: I just brought my first real, real real house, like

2091
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 2: my first hey, let me take my money and do

2092
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 2: something nice for me thing, like I did that and

2093
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 2: maybe three years ago because the day that things fall

2094
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 2: apart came out to Wrek got his license.

2095
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Okay, uh huh so what were you saying? Okay, yeah, exactly.

2096
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 2: We were in the gallery doing an in store and

2097
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 2: it was like where's to riqua?

2098
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Oh he went to go get his license and buy

2099
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: his car. I'm like, we make money enough to buy

2100
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: our lights in the car.

2101
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 2: No, but one thing was one of the first things

2102
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 2: I remember blasting and I was just like, I can't

2103
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 2: believe that the hardest hip.

2104
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: Hop song of all time is not Buying MC and so.

2105
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 7: Hip hop mixed with Go Go hip hop mixed with

2106
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 7: Go Go don't all right.

2107
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 2: Look there's one ConA and that's the thing I wanted

2108
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 2: to spend. I know there's Go Go leanings into it.

2109
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: It's not a Go Go song. I'm sorry. There's a

2110
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: lot of Yes, there's a lot of musicians in.

2111
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 8: The video expectful if I was like, yeah, that's a

2112
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 8: go Go record, like go Go, let not get out

2113
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 8: of control. He got little flavors, got the tinge of it,

2114
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 8: but that's a whole different vibe.

2115
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's I mean because of the drum

2116
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 2: rolling and all that stuff.

2117
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Yes, it feels it feels like, it feels updated. I

2118
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: love it. So did the labels see that coming at all?

2119
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: Like?

2120
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 8: One thing?

2121
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 9: Are you talking about the second album? You're talking about

2122
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 9: the creations?

2123
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 2: One thing which I hope let you hey, you have

2124
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 2: more of this, and then we could put.

2125
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 9: No, it was the opposite.

2126
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 2: It was the almost feel like you you made it

2127
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 2: against there.

2128
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 9: I mean, we did it right, we did it we

2129
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 9: were creating the album.

2130
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,599
Speaker 8: It was kind of really difficult to create that second album,

2131
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 8: honestly because.

2132
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 9: Rich was like doing I don't know what was going on.

2133
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 8: He was kind of like in a different space and

2134
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 8: it was like almost like chasing him down. And he

2135
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 8: works in a very specific way, which is basically in

2136
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 8: isolation where he has to he has to get a

2137
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 8: lot of his ideas, but he has to be like

2138
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 8: a complete isolation.

2139
01:43:58,040 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 9: So the label was also.

2140
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 8: Meanwhile trying to create that for him, like you know,

2141
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 8: putting him up here or there. Also, he had different

2142
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 8: people who wanted to work with him, so there was that,

2143
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,520
Speaker 8: but he still needed to have his isolation.

2144
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 9: And he doesn't work fast. He doesn't work fast.

2145
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 8: He's more he takes his time and it takes it

2146
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 8: can take a long time while he's putting things together,

2147
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 8: he's getting his thoughts together right, So that was also happening,

2148
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 8: and meanwhile, it's like, okay, time to do the second album.

2149
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 8: Once we got into the flow of it, though it

2150
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 8: was pretty good, then I almost did like this part

2151
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 8: of the album separately, like we did it together, but

2152
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 8: then separately because of that timing because it was taking

2153
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 8: so long. So like the record I did with Carl

2154
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 8: Thomas and stuff like that. That was just something that you know,

2155
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 8: we were putting together because at the time, you know,

2156
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 8: Lenny was also putting that project together. It was really difficult,

2157
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 8: but we eventually got it and then we ended up

2158
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 8: doing one thing.

2159
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 2: How do you normally work with rich Like does he

2160
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 2: go off on his own and comes back and says,

2161
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:57,799
Speaker 2: this is one I prepared in the Mountain cabins.

2162
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 8: Yes, he normally just goes off his own and then

2163
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 8: I can finish the thought, depending on like, you know,

2164
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 8: what's what it is. But he needs to have his

2165
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 8: space to finish his own thought first. But he's got

2166
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 8: to complete his thought musically, and then I can see,

2167
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:15,600
Speaker 8: you know, because a lot of times I did the

2168
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 8: bridges a lot because he just doesn't really do a

2169
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 8: lot of bridges, you know what I mean, Like he'll

2170
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 8: get all the other things there. But that's normally how

2171
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:26,799
Speaker 8: it would work. We have to see for the future,

2172
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 8: you know, should I will see what happens. But how

2173
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 8: we worked in the past was he has to finish

2174
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 8: his thought. He has to finish the thought. I just

2175
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 8: remember it being painstaking that second album. It was just

2176
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 8: it was just difficult to finish. But once we got

2177
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 8: it though, then we had it, you know what I mean.

2178
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 8: So we had one thing we had talking about. We

2179
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 8: felt like it was special, we felt like talking about

2180
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 8: was also really amazing. Actually, I feel like I actually

2181
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 8: like talking about it even better than one thing. Lav

2182
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:59,520
Speaker 8: told me that before that was that that was his favorite,

2183
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 8: and I like, yeah, you know, that's the one. I

2184
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 8: never I don't get tired of performing either one, but

2185
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 8: that one just something about it is like I think

2186
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 8: it like it's in my essence, like that's very me.

2187
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 8: But we did one thing and we felt like, Okay,

2188
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 8: this is something really dope, but we couldn't say like

2189
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 8: because it's kind of like this and that one was big,

2190
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:23,600
Speaker 8: so this one it was It wasn't. It was just

2191
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 8: it didn't sound like anything. So we just knew how

2192
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 8: we felt about it. So it's kind of like deflating

2193
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 8: when the label just completely didn't get it at all.

2194
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 9: That's actually how they were, like.

2195
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 1: They said this, I didn't play it.

2196
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 8: And I wasn't there, but I know, you know, it

2197
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 8: was played for them, and the reaction was pretty much.

2198
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 9: Like not is this it? This is?

2199
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 8: This?

2200
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 9: Is this is that.

2201
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 3: You came up with this is one thing.

2202
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just like this isn't it?

2203
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 8: And at the time if everything was almost like culminating.

2204
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 8: And it's interesting because you talk about like things of

2205
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 8: like things that can be like the biggest thing, but

2206
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 8: it's also like the ending, the shiftings to something else

2207
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 8: because with the way that it was so painstaking to

2208
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 8: put the album together, it's taking a long time, and

2209
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 8: you know, that time, the label starts wondering what's going

2210
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 8: on because meanwhile, looking at the rich, I've got him somewhere,

2211
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 8: but it's kind of like taking a long time still,

2212
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 8: and I'm creating what I'm creating, and it's like it's

2213
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 8: all kind of been a painstaking process and it's very

2214
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 8: drawn out right, really really drawn out, and normally and

2215
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 8: I get into vibe, I want to just like boom boom,

2216
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 8: bom boom, I'm quick. So that it was kind of

2217
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 8: hard for me too because I'm also working, you know,

2218
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 8: like partner it up, you know what I mean, And

2219
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 8: and he is his process is different, so it's a

2220
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 8: little antsy for me. But that taking a long time,

2221
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 8: the label not really knowing what's going on, I think

2222
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 8: spends a lot of money just trying to like figure

2223
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 8: out how to just create that artistic oasis.

2224
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:50,719
Speaker 9: For Rich I feel.

2225
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 8: I don't I don't like to speak for him because

2226
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,599
Speaker 8: he knows his experience, you know, but just from from

2227
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 8: what I what I was seeing and what I knew

2228
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 8: of what I was privy to, that it's taking a

2229
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 8: long time.

2230
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 9: And then and.

2231
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 8: Then after all that, like ooh, this has been like

2232
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 8: I don't know, a year or a year and a

2233
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 8: half just trying to get the scenario.

2234
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 9: Going, and then they come with this what is what

2235
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 9: is even?

2236
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 7: This?

2237
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 9: What is this even?

2238
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 8: And so I think at that point, and there were

2239
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 8: some other political things I don't even know about, honestly

2240
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 8: to this day, I don't really know. But somehow there

2241
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,640
Speaker 8: were some issues with the head of the label and

2242
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:34,799
Speaker 8: with maybe Jeff, you know, with a Rise I think,

2243
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 8: and then there were.

2244
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:37,719
Speaker 9: Also issues maybe with the label and Rich.

2245
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 8: So there was all these little splinterings that were happening

2246
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 8: in the meantime, and then of course then we come

2247
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 8: with this.

2248
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,520
Speaker 9: So at that time I think it was really.

2249
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 8: Like, Okay, I'm probably going to just like lose my

2250
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 8: deal or you know, just it's just that's just it.

2251
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 8: That's kind of like the vibes I've been getting and

2252
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 8: pretty much what we're feeling like is that that I'm

2253
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 8: just about to just not be with them anymore.

2254
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 9: They're about to drop me on from the label.

2255
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 8: And I was like, I mean, the thing about it is,

2256
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't even care about any of

2257
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 8: that stuff. I just really care about the music. And

2258
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 8: I was like, this, this is great and somebody's gonna

2259
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 8: hear it. So if they're not going to put it out,

2260
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 8: I guess I just will. I'll just give it to

2261
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 8: everybody for free then. And that's really that's how it

2262
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:28,719
Speaker 8: got out. It was really, uh, thanks getting a DJ

2263
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 8: getting we'll work with Charles Dixon and Charles Dixon.

2264
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 9: I remember DJ Charles Dixon.

2265
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 8: Charles Dixon had like this, this is that back in

2266
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 8: the day when you know, people would have these massive

2267
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 8: DJ lists all over the world and DJ's had a

2268
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 8: lot more.

2269
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 9: I feel like maybe it's like that again. Yeahtonomy and

2270
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 9: they could just do what they want. They could actually.

2271
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 3: Break records, so that helped too.

2272
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,280
Speaker 8: And record pools. Yes, so we basically did that. We

2273
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 8: did it to Sundays of the record pool, send it

2274
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 8: to the list, and so all the DJs like around

2275
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 8: the world got it, and I think the UK might

2276
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 8: have gotten it first, like a day before everyone else,

2277
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 8: maybe half a day, you know, because just the way

2278
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 8: that the list was sent out or the record was

2279
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,919
Speaker 8: sent out to the list, and they just started playing

2280
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 8: it like immediately, like a lot of d started playing.

2281
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 9: It right away. And that was that was kind of

2282
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 9: my parting thing.

2283
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 8: That was to me, that was my you know, and

2284
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 8: it was just my decision because lendy Als is our thing.

2285
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 9: That was the parting thing that.

2286
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 2: Was like, well, you know, I'm gone, let's prepare for

2287
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: part two. Okay, wow, that's crazy.

2288
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 8: Yeah. Then we put it out and it took off

2289
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 8: over Christmas break, so this is Christmas, no one can

2290
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 8: do anything. So it was actually a good time too

2291
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 8: because everyone was like on their vacations so there was

2292
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 8: on like these crazy calls and all these things happening,

2293
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 8: and I was like, great, we'll just do this at

2294
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 8: the end of the year, and this is my parting gift,

2295
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 8: I guess, and I just want people to hear the record,

2296
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 8: that's all. So I guess I'm done and we'll figure

2297
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 8: out what you do after that. And that was it

2298
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 8: and come New year's. It was just building so fast,

2299
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 8: and the label then had to pay play ketch up like, Okay,

2300
01:50:58,160 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 8: we need to do the video, we need to do this.

2301
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 1: Because answer this thing.

2302
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 2: Though, was there any sort of moment of redemption, like hey, we.

2303
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: Were wrong about this.

2304
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 2: Non or were they mad at you for ruining their plans?

2305
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 8: You know? The thing that's so weird is no, it

2306
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 8: wasn't that. And I can't say specifically because I wasn't

2307
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 8: in the meetings, but there was the feeling that they

2308
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 8: were that would be weird though, so I never knew

2309
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 8: if that was the case.

2310
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 9: What I was gonna say was they were like.

2311
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:37,599
Speaker 8: Actively trying to tamp down the record because there were

2312
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 8: other records at the label that they wanted to pop,

2313
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 8: and they were shift They wanted to shift the attention

2314
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 8: of other records, so they're trying to shift people away

2315
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 8: from that. And so really one thing did what it

2316
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 8: did in spite of the label, not because of it.

2317
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 8: And I don't mean that to disparage any particular person,

2318
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 8: because I actually had a really great relationship with people

2319
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 8: who were there. So some people are just doing their jobs,

2320
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:08,679
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It's more like I think

2321
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 8: when you go on the higher up, the higher, higher,

2322
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:11,719
Speaker 8: higher up.

2323
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 9: Part of it, because the people who are really insitionally working

2324
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 9: but are great.

2325
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 2: You literally just said, I mean, I think when you

2326
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 2: work for or when you work with the system, that's

2327
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 2: kind of more or less prioritizing their job safety as

2328
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 2: opposed to creativity. You often find a lot of cutting

2329
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 2: off the nose despite the face. Because my whole thing

2330
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 2: is that, well, if you win, then they all win,

2331
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 2: and then other people can win. But there's this whole

2332
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 2: thing where it's just like one entity can only share

2333
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 2: the spotlight.

2334
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 9: And I never understood that. I didn't understand that.

2335
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 8: And we said that at the time because I was like, listen,

2336
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 8: and I think when people started looking at like rap

2337
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 8: smaller rap labels, they understood that the strengthen numbers because

2338
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 8: I was like, listen, they're thinking too corporate. They're thinking

2339
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 8: in a very old, staid corporate way, which is this

2340
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 8: is the van guard, this is the this, and this

2341
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 8: is that. And I'm like, you want everyone to win

2342
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 8: because then everyone can help each other, and everyone even

2343
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 8: just by the nature of being successful, it helps give

2344
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 8: you leverage for this and that I'm like, why am

2345
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 8: I the only one who's seeing this over here? I

2346
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 8: mean my team was seeing it. I was like, you

2347
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 8: want more artists to be super super successful? Do you

2348
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 8: only want one or two to keep your lights on?

2349
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 8: Because that's not a good that's a precarious position for

2350
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 8: you to be in as a label.

2351
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: Why would you want that?

2352
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 3: It's not the lady model. Like when you go back

2353
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 3: and you talk.

2354
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 7: To even some of these female singers and legends of

2355
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 7: the days, it's like one Diana Wannareita. They can't even

2356
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 7: talk to each other. They don't not imposed to like

2357
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 7: like it's a thing. Even when we look at female MC's,

2358
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 7: there is one who does this and one who does that,

2359
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 7: and they cannot.

2360
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,440
Speaker 1: It's yeah, there's an artist.

2361
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 9: Tokenism, don't I don't like that either.

2362
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 2: There's a really awesome book that I read like five

2363
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,639
Speaker 2: years Well, he's a comedy writer.

2364
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Now.

2365
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 2: His name is Jason Carp. Back then, I believe his

2366
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 2: MC name was Hot Karl, and Hot Karl was he

2367
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 2: made his mark in the early aughts whatever the Hot

2368
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 2: ninety seven is of la. They used to have this

2369
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:20,759
Speaker 2: Freestyle Friday's thing where you know, they would have different

2370
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 2: people call him Freestyle Battle and whatnot and this guy

2371
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 2: was at one point just had the world in the

2372
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,640
Speaker 2: palm of his hands, and so he signs to a

2373
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 2: particular label and his memoirs called Kanye West Owes Me

2374
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 2: three hundred Dollars and other true stories, and basically Jensen

2375
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 2: goes through his whole from being a battle MC to

2376
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 2: being signed to Innerscope Records, and he reveals something. So

2377
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 2: right now, the story that you're telling me is I

2378
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 2: believe the same story that Bubba Sparks went through at Innerscope.

2379
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 2: So the way that Jason painted the story was that

2380
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 2: they were so invested in a particular money making MC

2381
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 2: on that label that their plan was to sign everyone

2382
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 2: that was kind of like under his umbrella and freeze

2383
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 2: them so that they don't stand in the way of

2384
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 2: their star producing.

2385
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, I've never heard of that.

2386
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 2: Like, if you were to tell this story without me

2387
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 2: reading that book, then I would have just been like,

2388
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay's But once I read Jensen's book and then started

2389
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 2: asking around to other ex label execs, and they were like, dude,

2390
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 2: that is part of the course that happens all the time.

2391
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of.

2392
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 8: Weird, they said, they just signed I mean I feel

2393
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 8: like that's actually extra like where they went out of

2394
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 8: their way to sign people that were similar to him.

2395
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 2: We just had Senata Matrea that was kind of his

2396
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 2: at the label because his debut was so magnetic and

2397
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:11,440
Speaker 2: sold so much that it was problematic for Sony's biggest artist,

2398
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 2: who was the biggest.

2399
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: Selling artist of all time. That was a problem for.

2400
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 2: Him, and he kind of rang the alarm a little bit, like, Yo,

2401
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 2: this can't happen, and in their way, they kind of

2402
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 2: let the air out, which you know, is kind of weird.

2403
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 1: His take on it.

2404
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 2: When he did Quest Love Supreme, he was very bitter

2405
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: about it for about twenty years, and then he realized

2406
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 2: that his life was saved because he's still alive, and

2407
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 2: he realized, like, wow, that person unknowingly saved my life

2408
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 2: because but you know, I personally believe that you can

2409
01:56:56,440 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 2: manifest a successful future without this whole idea that if

2410
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 2: you become the biggest thing in the world, then suddenly

2411
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna die or meet the fate of what Whitney

2412
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,560
Speaker 2: met or Prince met or Michael met or you know,

2413
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 2: this whole idea that only the biggest artists fall off

2414
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 2: the hardest.

2415
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: I believe that we can control that as well. Y'all

2416
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 1: doing it.

2417
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 7: Now, right, if you think about it, it's like, also,

2418
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:25,400
Speaker 7: you don't have to go to the same five white

2419
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 7: men to get a record deal to make you change

2420
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 7: your life anymore. And so that's the thing too, Like

2421
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 7: these kids understand now that you don't have to do that.

2422
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 8: You don't need to the label, and the label doesn't

2423
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 8: do as much as they used to do for you know,

2424
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 8: for people, which was you know, a long time ago.

2425
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 8: This is before I came into the music business. They

2426
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 8: actually would develop the talent, you know, help make.

2427
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 9: You who you became.

2428
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 8: They really helped develop those artists that that was kind

2429
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 8: of gone when I came in. And then now it's

2430
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 8: really they just want I don't know, they might as

2431
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 8: well just be distribution because they really just want the

2432
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 8: the artists already to be there, have the music, and

2433
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,840
Speaker 8: have the audience already via social media. So you know,

2434
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 8: but people can so many more artists can make a

2435
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 8: living and they can do really well and be successful

2436
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 8: without that now, so that's a really wonderful thing.

2437
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 9: But you know, regarding the story that you're telling about him,

2438
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 9: you know, only he knows himself.

2439
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 8: Though, so he if he says that, it's probably because

2440
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 8: he recognized what kind of like issues or what kind

2441
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:30,560
Speaker 8: of demons could be awakened if the things that we're

2442
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 8: just like lurking beneath the surface. You know how someone

2443
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 8: could say, like, Okay, maybe if I went down this path,

2444
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 8: I would have done really well with the success, and

2445
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 8: other people can say, actually, if I went down that path,

2446
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 8: I think I would have turned into a really arrogant

2447
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 8: jerk because I already could sense that it would have

2448
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,919
Speaker 8: been happening like for instance like that.

2449
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 9: So can probably sense.

2450
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 8: No, not me.

2451
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:54,040
Speaker 9: I'm just saying anyone, No, not Medy.

2452
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,240
Speaker 8: Just anybody that could say, these are the things that

2453
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 8: I think could be my potential pitfalls and issues, because

2454
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 8: I do believe everything happens for me. Yes, yes, yeah,

2455
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 8: So even if you think, if you are a believer

2456
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 8: in that, then you really believe that there are no

2457
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 8: missed opportunities, that no one ever took anything from you,

2458
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 8: because what God has for you is for you, and

2459
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 8: no one can take what is for you if God

2460
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 8: has that for you.

2461
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 9: So it's really just you finding your path.

2462
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 8: And feeling out what that is.

2463
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 9: Because if you believe that God's got you. Then.

2464
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 8: Really, even when like your worst enemy tries to make

2465
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 8: you fall, they're only still they're doing their part in

2466
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 8: God's plan, you know.

2467
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:30,720
Speaker 9: What I mean.

2468
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 7: And that is the fight, and that is the fight

2469
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,760
Speaker 7: to continue to try to keep your mind like that.

2470
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:37,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, remember that.

2471
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:46,240
Speaker 2: So even though for me one thing is your Monsters single,

2472
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 2: my favorite album of yours is actually because I love it,

2473
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 2: which that.

2474
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 9: Is so interesting.

2475
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:58,200
Speaker 2: Well because it also happened to Calice, Like Kalie's second

2476
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:00,400
Speaker 2: album never came out in the United States.

2477
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 1: I had to go overseas to.

2478
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 2: Find Chalicea's Kaleidoscope album and that's the same because I

2479
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 2: love it was all over Europe, but not in America,

2480
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 2: Like what what happened with it?

2481
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 1: Because I love a project in general that it didn't

2482
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:19,120
Speaker 1: get any light whatsoever in the States.

2483
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:20,120
Speaker 9: What label was that?

2484
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 8: What was it?

2485
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 9: Because of Love? It was that Columbia as well.

2486
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 1: Columbia.

2487
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's.

2488
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 9: Probably the last one.

2489
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,320
Speaker 8: That's what I was really thinking of leaving the label

2490
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 8: because it's just like even when I wanted this single,

2491
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,360
Speaker 8: it's like it was like so hard to move and

2492
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 8: like to do anything, and then.

2493
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 9: We were going to release it.

2494
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:39,120
Speaker 8: And it was like, Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna come

2495
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 8: out in the States, and I was like, but why

2496
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 8: are they coming out at different times? We live in

2497
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 8: the Internet era, just it should be one date. I

2498
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 8: don't believe in this different dates for this and that

2499
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 8: I have fans that are going to be like, hey,

2500
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 8: I didn't get the album, so what what is the

2501
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 8: good reason for having them come out at different times?

2502
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 9: Oh, We'll just do that. And I was like, I

2503
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 9: don't know.

2504
02:00:56,240 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 8: I'm feeling like that is just leaving it possible that

2505
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 8: it doesn't even have a US release. I wasn't really

2506
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 8: confident in them at this point regarding them following through.

2507
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 9: So I really that was just completely.

2508
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 8: Out of my hands regarding why and that that album.

2509
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 9: I'm really proud of that album. It's not perfect, you

2510
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 9: know what I mean. I can definitely be critical of it.

2511
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:24,360
Speaker 2: I loved it, Like the ship you did with the Bchanons,

2512
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 2: like then't make me be believed thing that kids.

2513
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,760
Speaker 9: Are so great. I just was just asking after them.

2514
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 9: Actually I got.

2515
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, we still when I heard that, we

2516
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:42,360
Speaker 2: to this day do that flip whenever the roots do

2517
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 2: the seed like I played the Ship out out of

2518
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 2: that song when it first came out, like DJing and whatnot?

2519
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 2: Shit you also worked with them from Formerly of the Youngsters.

2520
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:57,960
Speaker 1: Karan, Yeah, Karan did. Uh he did some like it.

2521
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: I believe he a little bit. You know, it's weird

2522
02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I thought initially I thought.

2523
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 9: It was Actually that was mostly me and Lenny did

2524
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 9: that one.

2525
02:02:07,320 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 8: Now.

2526
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say you and Lenny came

2527
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 2: like also would hate to Love you, which I thought

2528
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:14,320
Speaker 2: was outstanding.

2529
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 9: Thank you did? I love you hate to love you too?

2530
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:17,920
Speaker 9: Who did that?

2531
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,400
Speaker 1: That was you did?

2532
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 9: But we're also no, not that one up?

2533
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, one up?

2534
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 8: And went also I love to create tracks while we're

2535
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:31,880
Speaker 8: creating the song like that way we can you know

2536
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 8: what I mean?

2537
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:34,080
Speaker 9: Like it's really like musicianship that way.

2538
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 8: It's it's not just like writing to a track, it's

2539
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 8: just something that's living.

2540
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:42,120
Speaker 2: And breathing by this point where you rich creatively, Like,

2541
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:43,440
Speaker 2: are you guys not working?

2542
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:44,560
Speaker 1: Was there a tension there?

2543
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 9: What? No, there's no tension. But I have to see

2544
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 9: what he's doing. And we haven't spoken in a long

2545
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:56,600
Speaker 9: time as of today. As of today, we haven't spoken

2546
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:57,000
Speaker 9: because I.

2547
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 7: Could have just heard you say something like it is

2548
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:01,040
Speaker 7: a potential for some thing in the future with the

2549
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:01,560
Speaker 7: two of you.

2550
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,880
Speaker 8: Always there, always is. I just have to literally be like, hey,

2551
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 8: what's going on? Because for a second he wasn't doing.

2552
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Any music for I was not to say, is he

2553
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 1: actively still working?

2554
02:03:10,240 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 8: I don't know if he is now, but before he

2555
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 8: wasn't and then he was again, So I'm thinking that

2556
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 8: he still is, but just some just cooking.

2557
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,880
Speaker 3: What state does he live in? I just he's such

2558
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 3: a mystery. What state does richer.

2559
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:25,640
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna say, because I don't know if he

2560
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:26,680
Speaker 9: wants to anyone to know.

2561
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:29,680
Speaker 3: Say city. I just is he okay, see in this country?

2562
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:32,920
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm assuming he's still in the country unless he's

2563
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 8: unless he's just visiting somewhere.

2564
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:34,880
Speaker 9: But yeah, he listens.

2565
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:38,960
Speaker 2: I hope he's still a DMV, but I hope. But yeah,

2566
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 2: So what is the division of labor between the two?

2567
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 2: Like working in the studio? Do you work from soup

2568
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 2: to nuts together? In terms of that would have been.

2569
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 8: The idea for this next time, if we do something

2570
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:53,720
Speaker 8: together again, we'll be doing it like that, like because

2571
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 8: my face, I don't know if that's like his his

2572
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 8: zone though, but he's a musician, so I know he can.

2573
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:01,400
Speaker 9: I just don't know if he's comfortable doing that.

2574
02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:04,480
Speaker 8: The favorite way I like to work is I'm at

2575
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 8: the mic and they got the musicians here.

2576
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 9: I did this.

2577
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,840
Speaker 8: Session of where I went in with a producer and

2578
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 8: it was like, let's just play, let's just let's just

2579
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:13,600
Speaker 8: see what happens.

2580
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:16,560
Speaker 9: Just let's just feel it out. Got these vibes and

2581
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 9: he was like, okay, well, you know what.

2582
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:19,760
Speaker 8: I'm gonna bring some I a guitarist in, I'm gonna

2583
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 8: bring in some piano, a couple of pianists.

2584
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,760
Speaker 9: Let's just do it. I'm like, okay, it was gonna just.

2585
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:26,480
Speaker 8: Be really a meeting and it's just like, let's just

2586
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:28,480
Speaker 8: but I always like to the reserve room to play,

2587
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:31,440
Speaker 8: just because you never know what happens. And we were

2588
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 8: just like in there and I just stand at the

2589
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:35,560
Speaker 8: mic and then it's like, give me a you know,

2590
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 8: something like this, something deeper, okay, add something in, like

2591
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 8: some piano now or something. Then I'll just give those

2592
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 8: general directions. Right. Sometimes I'm specifical. I'm literally like do that,

2593
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:48,560
Speaker 8: you know, I'll be very specific.

2594
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:48,720
Speaker 9: But sometimes not.

2595
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:51,480
Speaker 8: And then so the producer was also like getting them

2596
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:53,080
Speaker 8: together while I was like, yeah, this feels like this,

2597
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 8: give me a little something like that, and I turn

2598
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:56,520
Speaker 8: off all the lights so it's very dark, so kind

2599
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 8: of it's hard for people to work for a second.

2600
02:04:57,960 --> 02:04:59,600
Speaker 8: They only have the lights of the board and the

2601
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:01,840
Speaker 8: stuff are around them because it has to be like

2602
02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 8: boom dark for me. So then I'm just like I'll

2603
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 8: just start singing stuff and I like do the lyrics

2604
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 8: as I'm just filling out the melody, and I'll just

2605
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 8: start saying stuff. But I'll just be like laying it

2606
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 8: out and then it's like, oh, now we're adding in

2607
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 8: building and we built some songs like that. We had

2608
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 8: like fifteen dope records just from that one evening. That's

2609
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,360
Speaker 8: my favorite way to work. And then we can figure

2610
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 8: out what to take further, you know what I mean,

2611
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:31,760
Speaker 8: and what musically what's going on. But we've got the

2612
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 8: feel of it, the sound of it. That's my favorite

2613
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:36,200
Speaker 8: way to work. I don't like to get a track

2614
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 8: and be like write something to the.

2615
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 1: Track, write something I don't know.

2616
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:41,640
Speaker 8: It's not my I don't really like that because I

2617
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:45,680
Speaker 8: feel already boxed in already, you know, and that's not

2618
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:46,920
Speaker 8: the melody that's in my head.

2619
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 9: It's in a whole different key and it's not that vibe.

2620
02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:54,240
Speaker 2: So again, I'm only laughing because I prefer to work

2621
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 2: the way that rich does, Like I need silence and

2622
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:00,879
Speaker 2: I need isolate, because if I'm in front of somebody,

2623
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 2: I'll be less. Steve's my has been my engineer since

2624
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:11,080
Speaker 2: since you got your driver's license. Yeah, yeah, before I

2625
02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:15,720
Speaker 2: got much driver's license. Like, Steve has engineered all the

2626
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:21,160
Speaker 2: common stuff. He was there for all of the D'Angelo stuff,

2627
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:24,480
Speaker 2: like all that stuff. So you know, I don't feel

2628
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 2: stupid or silly when I'm trying to experiment that may

2629
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:32,640
Speaker 2: or may not work, you know. But oftentimes I'll feel

2630
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:36,120
Speaker 2: like if people are in the room, it's too much pressure.

2631
02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 9: Yeah you are afraid to mess up?

2632
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 2: Well yeah, But then also like I'll be in a

2633
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:47,760
Speaker 2: situation where one particular artist wants to be there from

2634
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:50,680
Speaker 2: the suit to nuts thing instead of like, here's what

2635
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 2: I prepared for you, and oftentimes I'll have to I

2636
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:58,680
Speaker 2: did this once to a client where I already had

2637
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:02,800
Speaker 2: the song down, but I literally spent five hours acting like,

2638
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:05,879
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I did.

2639
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:08,120
Speaker 9: Just so many situations here do you do this to

2640
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 9: your you know what you're still not for confrontational. We

2641
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:11,960
Speaker 9: need to talk about that.

2642
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:14,880
Speaker 1: I just learned the word no like five years ago.

2643
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 1: So no, i'm me now.

2644
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I put on this, I put on a

2645
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 2: whole horse and pony show and accidentally wound up into

2646
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:31,040
Speaker 2: the idea that.

2647
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 9: I can't I can't believe you did that. But from

2648
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:36,040
Speaker 9: what you told me last year spoke, I can.

2649
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:40,400
Speaker 8: I can't believe that you spent five hours with tending

2650
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:42,880
Speaker 8: that you were coming up with something because you're so

2651
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,640
Speaker 8: sweet and non and you were non confidation.

2652
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:47,880
Speaker 1: That was old me. This This was back in like

2653
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen.

2654
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 2: No, now, I'm I am new in my communications.

2655
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 1: You set up like, all right.

2656
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:59,080
Speaker 3: You're working on it. You are in progress, he's in progress.

2657
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:02,080
Speaker 8: I can understand you needing that time because see, even

2658
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 8: if I'm there we're doing this thing, I have closed sessions.

2659
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,200
Speaker 8: I don't like you know, people are in there. They

2660
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:08,840
Speaker 8: don't have to be in there because then it gets

2661
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 8: like uncomfortable and all. So you want to be able

2662
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:11,840
Speaker 8: to feel free to make mistakes.

2663
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 9: But also like if I was writing a record, if

2664
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:17,360
Speaker 9: I was writing a record at.

2665
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:24,120
Speaker 3: Hard about your ship, I got you.

2666
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 8: No, I understand that you would want to finish your

2667
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:28,560
Speaker 8: thought and be like, let me finish my thought, like

2668
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:29,480
Speaker 8: in peace.

2669
02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 9: Because if I'm writing.

2670
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:32,880
Speaker 8: A song or something like that for someone else, or

2671
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 8: just even if I was just writing something for me,

2672
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:38,760
Speaker 8: but the music was done. If if there are other

2673
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:41,440
Speaker 8: writers in the room, and usually there aren't, because I

2674
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 8: find it hard to work with other writers, no, because

2675
02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 8: they never say what I would say, no, because they

2676
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 8: never say it. Then that's when you I'm sorry, but

2677
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:52,920
Speaker 8: that's when you come out with something like none of

2678
02:08:52,920 --> 02:08:55,120
Speaker 8: the chicks like this. The chicks like me sing. You

2679
02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:56,760
Speaker 8: walk into the room and I'm like, that's not even me.

2680
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,680
Speaker 8: I would never say that, and I would never feel

2681
02:08:58,680 --> 02:09:06,480
Speaker 8: like all these other girls are trash but I'm so great.

2682
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 9: It get jump inded it out like that. You get

2683
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:08,560
Speaker 9: stuff like.

2684
02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 7: That, and meanwhile, e Marie, it's funny as you say that,

2685
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 7: I'm curious what's moving you these days. I would never

2686
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,000
Speaker 7: ask you the elementary question of like what are you

2687
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:15,440
Speaker 7: listening to?

2688
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:16,480
Speaker 8: But what?

2689
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 9: Well, let me say first, let me finish.

2690
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:20,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry.

2691
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,000
Speaker 9: The other people I've worked with that did not because

2692
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,400
Speaker 9: they might well we worked together.

2693
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:25,840
Speaker 8: I was like giving you stuff like that, so that's

2694
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:27,400
Speaker 8: not I was being facetious.

2695
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:29,400
Speaker 9: That's not all that comes out of it.

2696
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:31,800
Speaker 8: But I have to be particular with the writers I

2697
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,040
Speaker 8: work with because they do have to know me and

2698
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:37,000
Speaker 8: what I would say and how I was saying. Now,

2699
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 8: I'm also a writer, like a fictional write, you know

2700
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:40,000
Speaker 8: what I mean, Like words are important.

2701
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 9: What I say and how I say it is really important.

2702
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:47,240
Speaker 8: So yeah, so, but but I've worked with really talented

2703
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:50,600
Speaker 8: writers and when we gel, we gel, and then I

2704
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:53,839
Speaker 8: know like they'll you know, that's what's great about rich too.

2705
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:56,000
Speaker 1: Person or just a music person.

2706
02:09:57,760 --> 02:09:59,680
Speaker 8: He can be with the lyrics too, but his stuff

2707
02:09:59,680 --> 02:10:02,280
Speaker 8: would I think it's melody and feel and like the

2708
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 8: rhythm of the word. What I mean? Okay, And then

2709
02:10:06,240 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 8: you were asking me something about what am I into now?

2710
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 3: No, I said, musically, what is moved for you these days?

2711
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:14,760
Speaker 9: Here's a thing about me.

2712
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:17,800
Speaker 8: I'm kind of weird and I sometimes feel uncomfortable honestly

2713
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:19,400
Speaker 8: having music related interviews.

2714
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:21,720
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

2715
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the books.

2716
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 9: No, No, I usually don't.

2717
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 8: I'm just saying because I feel like people will be like, dang, well,

2718
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:34,160
Speaker 8: she's not listening to anything no more. Her habits are weird,

2719
02:10:34,240 --> 02:10:36,160
Speaker 8: and so I feel like I don't I don't really

2720
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:37,000
Speaker 8: want to talk about.

2721
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:41,520
Speaker 7: It because you're not supposed to care, supposed to be free,

2722
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:43,000
Speaker 7: say what you feel, okay.

2723
02:10:43,320 --> 02:10:45,480
Speaker 8: I usually will go through pockets of time where I

2724
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 8: listen to no music. It might be half a year

2725
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 8: where I don't listen to anything, or it might just

2726
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:54,320
Speaker 8: be instrumental or if I'm listening to music because I

2727
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:57,280
Speaker 8: do that because I don't listen to music so much.

2728
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:01,800
Speaker 8: I listen to music that came out years ago as

2729
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 8: if it just came out.

2730
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:05,960
Speaker 9: So it's new to me.

2731
02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:08,400
Speaker 8: But the interesting thing is I do get a feel

2732
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:11,080
Speaker 8: for what can last and not feel old right although

2733
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:12,840
Speaker 8: I'm like, well I don't really know what's the new

2734
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:16,000
Speaker 8: things like whatever. But so I'll be listening to something

2735
02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 8: right now and playing it out like but it's.

2736
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 1: Like they don't look.

2737
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 9: Then I'll look and I'm like, oh, DAGs fourteen years old?

2738
02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 9: This no, but like I'll be like, this album's really dope.

2739
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:30,520
Speaker 8: I like this.

2740
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:33,120
Speaker 9: Oh wait, oh he came out with this on twent fifteen, Well,

2741
02:11:33,480 --> 02:11:36,720
Speaker 9: well great job, you know what I mean. It's like late.

2742
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:38,960
Speaker 9: So I'm listening right now. Actually, I've been listening to

2743
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:41,520
Speaker 9: a lot of Chris Brown, right, Chris Brown.

2744
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:42,920
Speaker 3: But he put out something every month.

2745
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:46,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm.

2746
02:11:45,720 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 8: Not as late on Chris Brown stuff because but still

2747
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:51,520
Speaker 8: some of the songs I am a little late on,

2748
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:52,400
Speaker 8: and they're new to me.

2749
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:57,320
Speaker 2: This is precisely the reason why I have you on

2750
02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:58,360
Speaker 2: the subscription list.

2751
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:01,480
Speaker 9: I know you said, Okay, so you do know that

2752
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:04,080
Speaker 9: you're sending it to me. Honestly, I'm just like us.

2753
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:06,400
Speaker 8: I always feel like you're sending it to me, but

2754
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:07,720
Speaker 8: like you're not even realized.

2755
02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:10,000
Speaker 9: I'm just a number. I'm I'm just a notch in

2756
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:10,320
Speaker 9: your head.

2757
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 2: There are one of four hundred and thirty eight people. Wow, Okay,

2758
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:17,720
Speaker 2: but no, no, no, I don't do it. I literally

2759
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:20,040
Speaker 2: I say, a lot of friends.

2760
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:21,360
Speaker 9: Do you have a lot of friends? So is that

2761
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:22,240
Speaker 9: special for you?

2762
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:22,760
Speaker 1: Is that?

2763
02:12:23,200 --> 02:12:25,560
Speaker 9: Is that a small There's all right?

2764
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:28,240
Speaker 1: This is what I do. I do it for two reasons.

2765
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:34,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Primarily I know that people my age and adjacent

2766
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:35,520
Speaker 2: to my age.

2767
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 9: I'm twenty four. What are you talking about?

2768
02:12:37,320 --> 02:12:38,440
Speaker 1: But okay, keep exactly.

2769
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:46,080
Speaker 2: That's so I know that oftentimes we'll get comfortable in

2770
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:50,400
Speaker 2: our comfort zone and Our comfort zone is the seventy

2771
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 2: five songs we know you know this Stevie Wonder song,

2772
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:59,840
Speaker 2: that that song, And we'll tend to our gym list.

2773
02:13:00,200 --> 02:13:04,720
Speaker 2: Our walking lists are Sunday Afternoon cleaning a house mixed.

2774
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's all my playlist.

2775
02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, go ahead.

2776
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:10,600
Speaker 2: So we tend to get trapped in that. So number one,

2777
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:15,680
Speaker 2: I do it because you know, it started with one person.

2778
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:16,920
Speaker 9: Is that what it is?

2779
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:19,640
Speaker 2: It started with one person and then it wound up

2780
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:22,360
Speaker 2: being ten people, and then one of those ten people

2781
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:25,160
Speaker 2: told the world and then they were like, where's my list?

2782
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:27,480
Speaker 2: And then it wound up being four hundred and thirty

2783
02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:28,040
Speaker 2: something people.

2784
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:31,600
Speaker 7: You're one of those the million, because they're not the

2785
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:33,960
Speaker 7: four hundred you put These are the playless conversations. You're

2786
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:35,960
Speaker 7: talking about your Spotify situations.

2787
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:40,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, will actually text. I keep the text from his phone,

2788
02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:41,720
Speaker 9: and you know, but because it's like.

2789
02:13:41,680 --> 02:13:44,720
Speaker 2: You know text, I individually go through all four hundred

2790
02:13:44,720 --> 02:13:48,440
Speaker 2: and thirty eight names twice a month and send them.

2791
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:53,200
Speaker 9: It should take to everybody.

2792
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:55,200
Speaker 1: This should takes nineteen hours to do.

2793
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:58,200
Speaker 3: We want I feel less special.

2794
02:13:58,680 --> 02:14:01,080
Speaker 7: I want you to know I'm in that four So

2795
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:03,160
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna sit here and ask you to send

2796
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:03,960
Speaker 7: me those for later.

2797
02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:07,080
Speaker 2: Fine, Lai, yeah, you will be four hundred and thirty

2798
02:14:07,160 --> 02:14:10,200
Speaker 2: nine people. No, But but when I got the three hundred,

2799
02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:11,800
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't do it no more. My

2800
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:15,720
Speaker 2: hands are hurting. And then if people tell me, yo,

2801
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:18,040
Speaker 2: I'll come in on the list, then I do it.

2802
02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:20,360
Speaker 2: See you just said I'll come on the list.

2803
02:14:20,720 --> 02:14:21,760
Speaker 1: So I did it.

2804
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:24,840
Speaker 2: But the second reason why I do it, okay, it

2805
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:30,440
Speaker 2: is because it forces me to constantly search for music,

2806
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:34,960
Speaker 2: because at this age, I too can get stubborn and

2807
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:35,640
Speaker 2: just stuck in.

2808
02:14:36,720 --> 02:14:39,280
Speaker 1: All right, I'm just gonna listen to prints for the next.

2809
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:42,680
Speaker 2: Eight months and stay in that cycle and miss all

2810
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:48,480
Speaker 2: that behind me. So in this process I go through about, realistically,

2811
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:52,400
Speaker 2: three hundred songs a week, and of those three hundred songs,

2812
02:14:53,240 --> 02:14:57,640
Speaker 2: maybe eleven are cool and so I'll just stuck up.

2813
02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's why do it.

2814
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:03,680
Speaker 8: So it's hard, I feel special, and I think that

2815
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:06,880
Speaker 8: it totally makes it. Everything that you said totally makes sense.

2816
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:10,600
Speaker 8: The thing about it is that if like, I'm always

2817
02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:15,280
Speaker 8: thinking all the time, right, so I usually am like

2818
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:17,840
Speaker 8: the kind of the way that I like take in

2819
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:20,880
Speaker 8: information is like this is what I'm in and I'm

2820
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:22,240
Speaker 8: in this for like I'm in.

2821
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:23,680
Speaker 9: Trench for this amount of time.

2822
02:15:24,040 --> 02:15:26,000
Speaker 8: It could be months and months, it could be a year,

2823
02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:28,680
Speaker 8: and that's all I'm doing. If I'm not eating and

2824
02:15:28,720 --> 02:15:31,040
Speaker 8: taking care of my family, I am just doing that.

2825
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:33,400
Speaker 8: And then I'm super in this and that. So I

2826
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:34,480
Speaker 8: can I feel like I can have a lot of

2827
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:37,280
Speaker 8: in depth knowledge on different things because I spent like

2828
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:38,560
Speaker 8: time and trenching it.

2829
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:39,520
Speaker 9: The issue with.

2830
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:42,400
Speaker 8: Music and listening to music, because someone was recently asking me,

2831
02:15:42,440 --> 02:15:44,360
Speaker 8: like this summer, when you told me you didn't listen

2832
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:46,680
Speaker 8: to music like that, I was like what. I was

2833
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:48,920
Speaker 8: kind of sad and I was like what really, And

2834
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:50,400
Speaker 8: they were like, I use it for everything I do

2835
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 8: And I was like, yeah, but I can't do that

2836
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:54,480
Speaker 8: because here's the thing. If I listen to music, I

2837
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:57,320
Speaker 8: won't ever stop. If I listen to music, I start

2838
02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:58,480
Speaker 8: thinking about what project I want to do.

2839
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:00,760
Speaker 9: I want to do this. Then I'm thinking about this.

2840
02:16:00,720 --> 02:16:03,040
Speaker 8: And that and the colors of that and what I

2841
02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:04,880
Speaker 8: want to create and what do they do?

2842
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,440
Speaker 9: And that's really interesting and now going down a rabbit hole.

2843
02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 8: I will do nothing else but only that, And so

2844
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:12,840
Speaker 8: I get in my moments where I'm like, I'm into

2845
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:14,800
Speaker 8: some history thing grabs me.

2846
02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:17,040
Speaker 9: I'm pouring the internet, I'm.

2847
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:19,880
Speaker 8: Pouring books to learn about this particular thing. Or like

2848
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:23,360
Speaker 8: right now, I've been very like into geopolitics. So I'm

2849
02:16:23,400 --> 02:16:26,680
Speaker 8: all about, like the economy, geopolitics. That's all my videos.

2850
02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:29,600
Speaker 8: If I'm exercising, it's geopolitics. If i'm you know, I

2851
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:31,400
Speaker 8: had to you know, go to the doctor and get

2852
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:32,040
Speaker 8: a shower or whatever.

2853
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:32,400
Speaker 9: It is.

2854
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:36,000
Speaker 8: My distraction thing is the geopolitical thing on the economy

2855
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,240
Speaker 8: and what happened to the middle class. Like I am

2856
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 8: in that, and that's all I can do because the

2857
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:46,640
Speaker 8: I process my information at night, I talk to myself.

2858
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:50,280
Speaker 8: So at nighttime usually whether i'm you know, in the

2859
02:16:50,320 --> 02:16:53,760
Speaker 8: shower or whatever, people will hear me. Well, I don't

2860
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,320
Speaker 8: think that this is it because first of all, the

2861
02:16:55,360 --> 02:16:56,879
Speaker 8: reason why you do that, And people might come in

2862
02:16:56,920 --> 02:17:01,560
Speaker 8: and be like, well, I'm talking to me, I'm talking,

2863
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:06,520
Speaker 8: I'm talking to me, and so I'm like, just you know, cure,

2864
02:17:06,959 --> 02:17:09,840
Speaker 8: it's a lot. Someone was like, dang Amory, sometimes you

2865
02:17:09,879 --> 02:17:12,040
Speaker 8: can be a lot like being around I'm like doing

2866
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:14,000
Speaker 8: about how I feel I have to live with me

2867
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:15,320
Speaker 8: and I can't escape myself.

2868
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:22,520
Speaker 2: You're taking in a lot of podcasts, a lot of books,

2869
02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:24,920
Speaker 2: a lot of so using. When a person takes in

2870
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:28,800
Speaker 2: a lot of information, it usually to gather and sort

2871
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:31,360
Speaker 2: the information so that they can.

2872
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:34,840
Speaker 1: Do something with it, do something with it. What is

2873
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:35,640
Speaker 1: your end game?

2874
02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:39,320
Speaker 8: That's what I'm trying to figure out. And that's that's

2875
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:42,560
Speaker 8: because I'm revisiting that question. Before I had a lot

2876
02:17:42,560 --> 02:17:45,480
Speaker 8: of information and I remember thinking, I all this information,

2877
02:17:45,520 --> 02:17:47,080
Speaker 8: I need to put a put this in like a book,

2878
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:49,000
Speaker 8: and I was thinking of doing that, and I've done

2879
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:51,480
Speaker 8: some of that. But then I was thinking, okay, you're

2880
02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 8: doing all these things. And then yes, there are a

2881
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:55,680
Speaker 8: couple of people who are like, you need to do

2882
02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:58,840
Speaker 8: like a podcast, you need to do that, and I'm like, okay,

2883
02:17:58,959 --> 02:18:02,440
Speaker 8: do I though, like, okay, one in one universe, I

2884
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:05,400
Speaker 8: do do that. Uh And people love me and they

2885
02:18:05,440 --> 02:18:11,080
Speaker 8: also hate my guts. So there's the information information, but

2886
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,200
Speaker 8: they love the information, you know. But so I'm saying

2887
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:15,480
Speaker 8: that there's there's that, and I think it would do

2888
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:19,360
Speaker 8: really well actually, But then the question is because they

2889
02:18:19,400 --> 02:18:20,800
Speaker 8: were like, but you know all this stuff, and I

2890
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:24,400
Speaker 8: was like, but then the question is is everything always

2891
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:27,840
Speaker 8: to be commodified know a lot of things.

2892
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:29,720
Speaker 9: Does it mean like I need to try to get

2893
02:18:29,720 --> 02:18:31,039
Speaker 9: famous in this lane with it?

2894
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:33,640
Speaker 8: I mean, can you just have information to have information

2895
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,840
Speaker 8: to inform how you live and what you do? Or

2896
02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:40,800
Speaker 8: is it like worthless unless you get big off of it?

2897
02:18:41,680 --> 02:18:43,040
Speaker 9: And then that's a question. I don't know.

2898
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:48,199
Speaker 3: That's right there. Yeah, that's a you know what I'm saying,

2899
02:18:48,400 --> 02:18:49,480
Speaker 3: very valid, very valid.

2900
02:18:49,560 --> 02:18:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, I just sent you your.

2901
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:56,480
Speaker 2: Own mix of what I'm listening to now, which isn't music.

2902
02:18:57,040 --> 02:19:01,760
Speaker 2: It's literally tones, because yes, I know what it is.

2903
02:19:01,640 --> 02:19:07,240
Speaker 1: For your brain to constantly in thinking mode. I sent it,

2904
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:11,360
Speaker 1: you send me. I just yes, what is this?

2905
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 9: Listen to it?

2906
02:19:13,560 --> 02:19:19,440
Speaker 2: I listened so basically, Layah. It is where Fante always

2907
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 2: clowned me. You know, like when Spotify snitches on you

2908
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:24,760
Speaker 2: and says you've been listening to you know, it gives you,

2909
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:28,520
Speaker 2: like your top five what you've been listening to, and

2910
02:19:28,560 --> 02:19:31,360
Speaker 2: people look at my things like, wait, there's no music

2911
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:35,680
Speaker 2: on here, so all I do, Layah, it's tones of

2912
02:19:35,879 --> 02:19:38,120
Speaker 2: hurts where I'll send it to you.

2913
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:38,680
Speaker 1: Layah.

2914
02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:42,959
Speaker 2: It's just it's a chord that you know, what you

2915
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:44,840
Speaker 2: listen to when you go to the spa. You hear

2916
02:19:44,879 --> 02:19:48,920
Speaker 2: the like eight wait a minute, time out, It's like

2917
02:19:48,959 --> 02:19:49,320
Speaker 2: the sound.

2918
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,959
Speaker 9: Remember I told you about my project Simatica. Remember I

2919
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:55,720
Speaker 9: told you that's the whole cimatic of the trilogy. That's

2920
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:58,240
Speaker 9: my long I'm going to put it together. I have

2921
02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:00,200
Speaker 9: three songs I want to keep from it, but I

2922
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:03,240
Speaker 9: wanted to record it actually in I was going to

2923
02:20:03,320 --> 02:20:04,360
Speaker 9: record it in either four.

2924
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:06,440
Speaker 8: Now am I doing four thirty two? But like the

2925
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:08,000
Speaker 8: frequencies we talked as a.

2926
02:20:07,959 --> 02:20:12,920
Speaker 3: Frequency Rogers, I hardly knew ye, she's a Helen nerds,

2927
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:14,640
Speaker 3: blurred blurred power.

2928
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:16,120
Speaker 9: He's like reset.

2929
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:17,680
Speaker 3: You're like, is it Vargus nurse?

2930
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,279
Speaker 9: Is it parison? But that paris?

2931
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:24,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're nervousness. I tell you, I get into something.

2932
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:25,039
Speaker 8: I get a.

2933
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:30,879
Speaker 1: Dude, I feel like I'm on the Nard War episode

2934
02:20:30,959 --> 02:20:31,240
Speaker 1: right now?

2935
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:33,960
Speaker 3: What does a Marie mean? Is that what we're missing?

2936
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,680
Speaker 3: Is that what we're missing? Did your parents do all along?

2937
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:36,200
Speaker 3: What does Amrie?

2938
02:20:36,360 --> 02:20:39,039
Speaker 9: My mom made it? My maid made it?

2939
02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:39,920
Speaker 1: Okay?

2940
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:42,800
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I'm glad you said it to me because

2941
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:44,080
Speaker 8: I was listening to it because I was like, you

2942
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:47,840
Speaker 8: need to like heal, you need some like healing vibes.

2943
02:20:47,879 --> 02:20:51,240
Speaker 2: But this is the rabbit holest of all Quest Loups,

2944
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:52,279
Speaker 2: supreme rabbit hole.

2945
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:54,120
Speaker 3: Similar to the Bulge, y'all making it sound like the bulge.

2946
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:55,320
Speaker 3: Y'all know that right, like it's sounding.

2947
02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:58,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna do another episode where we just talk about

2948
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:01,040
Speaker 2: your world of books. I literally thought when we did

2949
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:04,320
Speaker 2: this episode, we were going to talk about us an author,

2950
02:21:04,480 --> 02:21:06,920
Speaker 2: you as a book club person, because you really got

2951
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:07,640
Speaker 2: me in the game.

2952
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:10,199
Speaker 1: Oh yes, my ninth.

2953
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:13,520
Speaker 2: Book coming out soon, the Kid book I wrote, my

2954
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:17,360
Speaker 2: first kid Yes, yes, exactly beautiful. I will be like

2955
02:21:17,480 --> 02:21:20,640
Speaker 2: she she got me into the rabbit hole. But we

2956
02:21:20,959 --> 02:21:24,680
Speaker 2: obviously this can go on for twelve hours, but we

2957
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:26,720
Speaker 2: do have to wrap up. Listen, can we do a

2958
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:27,560
Speaker 2: retreat with Marie?

2959
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:29,039
Speaker 7: I feel like it's a it's a it's an event,

2960
02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:30,680
Speaker 7: like we need a retreat. We need to do some

2961
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:31,400
Speaker 7: sound baths.

2962
02:21:31,480 --> 02:21:34,480
Speaker 9: We need to you know, we would sound bask sing.

2963
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:38,800
Speaker 8: We would have some political conversation, exchange the books, have

2964
02:21:38,959 --> 02:21:41,320
Speaker 8: some debates, a political exchange.

2965
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:43,320
Speaker 1: A Marie is about to be the next member of

2966
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Quest Left.

2967
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:50,280
Speaker 3: Would you guess you could?

2968
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:54,680
Speaker 9: That'll be dope special special, whatever whatever you would like

2969
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:55,760
Speaker 9: or whatever you would invite me to.

2970
02:21:55,879 --> 02:21:56,240
Speaker 8: I'm there.

2971
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, it's not a party.

2972
02:21:59,280 --> 02:21:59,880
Speaker 9: No, I'm kidding.

2973
02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:01,320
Speaker 1: Awesome, you're not.

2974
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:02,320
Speaker 6: No, you're not.

2975
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:10,039
Speaker 1: And also, if ever you know you're in your creative mood, yeah,

2976
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:14,560
Speaker 1: I would like to collaborate as well. I just text

2977
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. After this, I'm like, nah, music's not

2978
02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:20,440
Speaker 1: your calling. This is Julie. This is Julie where your

2979
02:22:20,520 --> 02:22:22,400
Speaker 1: passion lives. Well, what is this?

2980
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:23,400
Speaker 5: What do you call this?

2981
02:22:23,640 --> 02:22:24,840
Speaker 9: Because I'm trying to figure out.

2982
02:22:24,680 --> 02:22:25,000
Speaker 7: What is this?

2983
02:22:26,520 --> 02:22:27,240
Speaker 1: What is this?

2984
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:31,600
Speaker 2: I think this is called life pivoting. I think both

2985
02:22:31,640 --> 02:22:34,080
Speaker 2: of you and I are discovering what information you can't.

2986
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:36,400
Speaker 2: We can't put a title on it until maybe twenty

2987
02:22:36,480 --> 02:22:36,959
Speaker 2: twenty eight.

2988
02:22:37,959 --> 02:22:38,440
Speaker 8: The truth.

2989
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:39,800
Speaker 3: Now you're gathering information.

2990
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:42,880
Speaker 8: I know I'm always seeking the truth. I'm seeking the

2991
02:22:42,959 --> 02:22:45,560
Speaker 8: truth about everything always, But I don't know what to

2992
02:22:45,640 --> 02:22:47,160
Speaker 8: call it. And that's someone when you were asking me

2993
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:48,480
Speaker 8: what I would want to do with it, my friend

2994
02:22:48,600 --> 02:22:49,640
Speaker 8: was like, you do the podcast.

2995
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,560
Speaker 9: I'm like, I don't know. I'm trying to right now.

2996
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,960
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to be still and let God because

2997
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:56,600
Speaker 8: i know I'm doing the things that i'm doing, like

2998
02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:59,320
Speaker 8: I'm got to start working on the new project, finishing

2999
02:22:59,440 --> 02:23:01,160
Speaker 8: up doing the novel that I'm working on.

3000
02:23:01,480 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 9: But then I'm also like, there's another thing that's happening,

3001
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:06,320
Speaker 9: and I'm just trying to be still for it. So

3002
02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:10,040
Speaker 9: God can like be like, okay here, because I also

3003
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:11,000
Speaker 9: don't know what it is.

3004
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:15,400
Speaker 2: You're finding out what it is you're you're finding out

3005
02:23:15,560 --> 02:23:20,120
Speaker 2: right now. But this is why being still and silent

3006
02:23:20,879 --> 02:23:23,800
Speaker 2: also helps. And take it from the guy that had

3007
02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:30,280
Speaker 2: nineteen jobs and always the second I did this, the.

3008
02:23:30,360 --> 02:23:33,800
Speaker 1: Answer comes to you. I promise you. I promise you.

3009
02:23:33,959 --> 02:23:35,560
Speaker 1: The answer comes to you. Thank you.

3010
02:23:35,879 --> 02:23:39,240
Speaker 8: I'm gonna I need to text you sorry. I'll just

3011
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:40,640
Speaker 8: just you know, we gotta just talk.

3012
02:23:40,800 --> 02:23:43,760
Speaker 9: We've got to just talk off off time as well.

3013
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:46,680
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, now that we're allowed, because you were like,

3014
02:23:46,760 --> 02:23:48,279
Speaker 8: we do the interview interview.

3015
02:23:48,040 --> 02:23:50,119
Speaker 1: Now, yes, we're allowed.

3016
02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:53,080
Speaker 7: He didn't have no real conversation until we did the

3017
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:54,520
Speaker 7: podcast because he wanted to spoil.

3018
02:23:54,320 --> 02:23:58,600
Speaker 2: It exactly exactly. Now we're friends, all right, Well a

3019
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:02,400
Speaker 2: mariy I thank you. We having Siger Steve and Layah

3020
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Speaker 2: and and the family.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Bok Supreme. I appreciate you, and I will

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Speaker 1: see you on the next round.

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Speaker 9: Y'all.

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Speaker 4: All right, this is sugar, Steve, thank you for listening

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Speaker 4: to Quest Love Supreme. This podcast is hosted by a

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Speaker 4: mere Quest Love Thompson, Liah Saint Clair, Sugar, Steve Bandel,

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Speaker 4: and unpaid Bill Sherman. The executive producers are a mere

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Speaker 4: Quest Love Thompson, sewn G and Brian Calhoun. Produced by

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Speaker 4: Britney Benjamin, Jake Payne and Liah Saint Clair, edited by

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Speaker 4: Alex Conroy. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown West Love

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Speaker 4: Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from

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Speaker 4: iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast Asked

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Speaker 4: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.