1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're doing this. It's the first ever 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: episode of splash Hit Territory or just we're just gonna 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: call it splash Hit. My first time doing a podcast, 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Susan's first time doing a podcast. We are so excited. 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: This is gonna be the greatest podcast evers all Giants, 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: all the time. So thirty plus years covering baseball, our 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: regular guest San Francisco beat writer, and she'll be joining 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: us as her schedule allows. And more importantly, my friend 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: Susan Slester. Susan, we're doing this. Super excited to talk 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: some Giants baseball with you on a regular basis. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: Right back at you, FP Who are you again? Remind 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: me do you have any credentials that I mean? 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think I needed an introduction, but FPI Santangelo, 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: former San Francisco Giant, current Giant broadcaster. So we're there 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: every day. We talk Giants baseball together every day. We 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: sit next to each other during the games, and all 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden we're like, we should do a podcasts. 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: And how are you doing first of all, and where 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: are you doing the podcast from? 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'm in jolly old England, where I like to 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: spend the first sort of a month or so in 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: the of the off season and where you will be 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: joining me. We can do this together, FPI, I said 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: from the pub. Maybe it'll be a little too loud, 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: but the pub is a possibility at some point this month. 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: I know I'm coming to join you at the end 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: of the month for a week in England. Those will 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: probably not be sober podcast, but we'll get to that 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: in a minute. Okay, So we got to hit the 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: big topic. We got to start right from the get 31 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: go about Tony Vottello. By the way, subscribe to splash 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: it Territory and YouTube wherever you get your podcasts. We 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: are part of the foul Territory network. Got to get 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: that out of the way. So splash It. Great name, 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: we came up with this together, but great topics to 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: talk about in our very first podcast. Tony Vattello the 37 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: new manager, Tony v Tello, the new manager of the 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants. That's how it's pronounced by Tello. Your thoughts, 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: Susan you go first? 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: Well, I have to say I was skeptical, you know 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 2: when I first heard his name floating out there. Andy 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Baggerley of the athletic was on this right away, and 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: you know, maybe a little bit just of a almost 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: some guest work, some smart guess work. Maybe right when 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: Bob Ellwen was let go at the press conference, Andy 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: Baggerley said, would you consider a college coach to Buster? 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of us kind of looked around, like, 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: what what are you talking about? You know, it just 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: hasn't been done before. A manager from the college RGS 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: who has never played pro ball, never coached in pro ball. Yeah, 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: I mean at FP you played forever. This is this 52 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: is really unprecedented. So you think, like, how are veteran 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: players going to respond to a guy who has no 54 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: pro experience? But Tony Raiitello seems like he's won over everyone. 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: I have yet to talk to him, so it's very weird. 56 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: I wrote, as you know, or wrote a very extensive 57 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: profile of him without ever talking to him. But I 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: talked to his dad, I talked to a bunch of 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: his friends. I talked to his college coach at Jase Tindler, 60 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: who's a possibility for the Giant staff. And I realized, 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: this is the first time I've ever written a feature 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: about anybody who I haven't actually met or talked to 63 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: unless it was no obituary, So I hope that's not 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: some sort of folk foreshadowy the Giant season. But you 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: were at the press conference, so really I want to 66 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: ask you what your thoughts were because I watched it, 67 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: but it's different watching it on your laptop versus. 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: You were there. Well, I'll start with this. The Giants 69 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: are having way too many press conferences lately, so I 70 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: mean between hire and Bob Melvin and Buster Posey and 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: now Tony Vitello. So I think why I said that 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: is they hired Tony from some stability in the organization 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: forty seven years old. And when you talk about the vibe, 74 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: just the vibe at the press conference, like everybody that 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: worked at the ballpark was there. So we had all 76 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: the media characters that we all know and see every 77 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: day they were there, and the cameras were everywhere, but 78 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: like all the employees that were at the ballpark were there, 79 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: and when Tony walked in, they were all clappy. So 80 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: this wasn't on air, So everybody's clapping when he came in. 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: And I was sitting with Mark Willard and we were 82 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: both talking about how just the energy in the room 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: before he even started talking, the energy in the room 84 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: was incredible, and then he got up there and just 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: absolutely killed it. And he's so dynamic. You can see 86 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: the passion that he has for life first of all, 87 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: but the passion that he has for winning in the game. 88 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: I think that's going to come through and be huge. 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of questions right a 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: college coach that's never run a major league spring training before, 91 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: like how does he do that? How does he relate 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: to the older players? But I think it comes down to, like, 93 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: winners win, and it doesn't matter where you're at. There's 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment period, there's going to be 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: a learning curve, and we're going to get to who 96 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: his coaching staff should be or could be here coming up, 97 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be super important. But 98 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 1: you know, we have a mutual friend in Sean Kelly. 99 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: Sewn Kelly is a relief pitcher with the Nationals. When 100 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: I was broadcasting back East and Sean and I became 101 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: really close. One of my favorites of all time. So 102 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm walking in the ballpark and I look and there's 103 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: Sean and I go, what are you doing here? Well, 104 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm best friends with Tony, so that evolved into Tony 105 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: and I got to spend a little time together after 106 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: the press conference in the Giants clubhouse, and we actually 107 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: hung out later that evening. So in a short time, 108 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: I've really gotten to experience Tony Vitello in a sense 109 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: that I'm buying everything he's selling, Like he seems authentic, 110 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: he seems charismatic, and you know, for a salty old player, 111 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of them are probably going, why are 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: they hiring this guy? I was all in, like I 113 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: would love to play for him, coach for him, like 114 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: be at the ballpark, talk to him, do his show 115 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: every day. Oh no, no, I'm in until I mean 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: I think I think the Giants had to take a 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: big swing to do something to catch the team that 118 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: just won the World Series for the second straight year. 119 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, shake it up. I like the shake it up 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: element which we are learning. That's what comes with Buster Posey, 121 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: and I love that. You know, he shocked everybody with 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: adding Rafael de Ever six weeks before the deadline, this 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: one huge swing. You know, who knows how much Nick 124 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: Hunley suddenly withdrawing his name had to do with it. Obviously, 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: they're close friends. He regarded Nick Hunley highly. Nick Hudley 126 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: still in the possibility in San Diego, obviously, depending on 127 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: when this goes out. But I do like that. But 128 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: there are questions f p. He you know, one hundred 129 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: and sixty two game season, how you manage a bullpen 130 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: very different from the college game, of course, how you 131 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: deal with the Latin players. You have all these Spanish 132 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: speaking players, which is not something that you find at 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: the college level very often. There are a few, but 134 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: he said these are things he's aware of, he knows, 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: which is I think, you know, kind of how we 136 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: go into the talking about the coaching staff, because that's 137 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: going to be huge, right you know, there will be 138 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: some I think some returning coaches giants have said that 139 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: they will bring some guys back, they'll recommend some guys. 140 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: But the biggest thing, as you know, of course, is 141 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: the bench coach. You probably want someone with managerial experience, 142 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: somebody who works well with Tony Vitello. The obvious choice 143 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: is probably jayce Tingler, if he wants to do it. 144 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: I know he lives in Kansas City. Maybe that's a 145 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: tough sell. I don't know, but he's certainly the guy 146 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: seems to be the leader in the clubhouse if he 147 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: has interest. 148 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: First of all, before we get the coaching staff. I 149 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, and I'm not taking credit 150 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: for this. You were you had the article teed up 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: for possible replacements for Bob Melvin. Yeah, if indeed that happen. 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: You as a reporter, as a writer, you have to 153 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: be ready at all times for everything, So you were 154 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: kind of prepared if something happened. And I don't if 155 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: you remember this, but I turned to you at the 156 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: game and I said, what about Tony Vaitello? Yeah? And 157 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: you said, what are you nuts? Like, are you crazy? 158 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: A college guy? Okay, So I'm not taking credit, but 159 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: I for some reason, I have seen him a lot 160 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I've seen a lot on TikTok. I've heard 161 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: a lot of his interviews. And what Drew Gilbert brought 162 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: to the team as a former Tennessee volunteer in the 163 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: energy he brought, it just clicked, like why not hire 164 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: his coach? Win national championship? 165 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Yea, And clearly they love that program. You know. They 166 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: take Gavin Kylin with a with their first pick. They've 167 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: got blade. They played trade for both Drew and Blade Tidwell. 168 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: They've got another kid at Double A from Tennessee and 169 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: this is a this is a program that Giants obviously 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: really like. Three time college Coach of the Year and 171 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: he's this is a young guy. You know, college. The 172 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: college coaching job is tough. Some might say it's tougher 173 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: than I don't. Okay, that's crazy. It's not tougher than 174 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: being a Bay League manager. But uh, you know, you've 175 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: got all the not only do you have all the recruiting, 176 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: which that's going to be big for a San Francisco 177 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: Giants manager, no joke, that's going to come in really handy. 178 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: You get a one two punch of a charmer like 179 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: Tony Vaitello and then you got Buster Posey's half. That's huge. 180 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that element of it. But 181 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: you've got the portal, now, the transfer portal, you got 182 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: the nil stuff. I don't think that job is as 183 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: fun as it used to be. I think it used 184 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: to be like, oh, you can go be a college coach, 185 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: you can stay there forever. You can kind of live 186 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: on a beautiful campus and have some you know, an 187 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: assistant doing your recruiting for you. It is not that anymore. 188 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: So it's a great you know, I know he was torn, 189 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: but I think one of the things he's really going 190 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: to bring is that recruiting ability. And I've talked to 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: a lot of people as you have, who all just 192 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: sing his praises like crazy, starting with Phil Garner, who's 193 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: one of the people I really respect the most that 194 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: I've covered in this game. And Phil's a Tennessee alum 195 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: and has gotten to know Tony, and he was like, 196 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: this guy is the real deal. Phil Garner was a 197 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: long time major league player and a major league manager 198 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: and a really good one. So I really like that 199 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: a lot. But you know, what they're dealing with, the 200 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: media has brought down some managers, numerous managers. I don't 201 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: think that's gonna be a problem for Tony Veitelo at all. 202 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: I think he's gonna look it looks so far like 203 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: he's going to be a media darling. 204 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: No, he crushed the press conference. I thought he commanded 205 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: the room unlike any manager I've ever seen in an 206 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: introductory press conference. And Greg Johnson's now in charge of 207 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: the nil money, so we'll see see how that goes. 208 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: But back to your point, because I'm add and you're not. 209 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: The coaching staff. I think it's super important for obvious reasons. 210 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean, any Giants fan watching this probably knows this. 211 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: But the coaching staff is super important because there's a 212 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: dynamic between the manager and the bench coach that I 213 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people know. The bench coach, 214 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: for people that don't know, is kind of the manager's 215 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: right hand man, and the manager will say, like, get 216 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: Susan Luise, she's hitting third this inning, or he's telling 217 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: him maybe suggestions about who we should get up in 218 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: the bullpen, or you know, different in game decisions real time, 219 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: and it moves so fast at the big league level, 220 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: and I've seen instances where bench coaches are just yes men, 221 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: like yes, Skipper, great call I do the same thing. 222 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: And I think there's certain instances too where bench coaches 223 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: have an agenda and they want to be a big 224 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: league manager, and there could be some friction there because 225 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: somebody wants the manager's job. So what you need is 226 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: somebody you can trust, somebody that has major league experience, 227 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: somebody that'll tell you, no, that's dumb, what are you thinking, 228 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, not loud enough for the players to hear it, 229 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: but you need a guy that you can trust, and 230 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: I think in Tony Vaitello's case, he needs somebody that's 231 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: been there and done that, because it's going to move fast. 232 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: I know. I talk about my minor league experience managing 233 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: the San Jose Giants in front of three hundred people 234 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: in San Jose and I was just get the pitcher up, 235 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: I got to pinch hit here, I got to put 236 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: on a bunt sign. Where's the outfit? I mean, it 237 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: was nuts at that level. So I think the key 238 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: for Tony is to get into a routine and have 239 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: a coaching staff that can slow it down for him, 240 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: because we sit up there in the booth and it 241 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: goes slow for us, but when you're in that dugout, 242 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: everything's going like this. So somebody with major league experience 243 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: managing has to be the bench coach in my mind, 244 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: and I've heard some names like David Ross, former manager 245 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: of the Chicago Cubs. Obviously Jace Tindler, who they're very close, 246 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: which you need that. Maybe a Brandon Hide who's managed 247 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: in the big leagues, but whoever standing next to him 248 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: has to be a little saltier than he has, with 249 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: more major league experience, so he can bounce things off them. Yeah. 250 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: I really like jayse Tingler a lot. Obviously they're close friends. 251 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: I love David Ross. I've known David Ross since he 252 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: was a minor league player. Very sharp, very calm, just 253 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: to you know, obviously he's both played on the very 254 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: big stage and winning a World Series with Boston and 255 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: you know, manage the Cubs, that is an experience you 256 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: gotta think, and you know left the Cubs under weird circumstances, 257 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: are like, yeah, we actually thought you were doing a 258 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: great job, but we really wanted Craig Council. That's bizarre, 259 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: and he's still still out there. I would I would, 260 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: you know, either of those guys would be great. Brandon 261 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: Hyde local guy also be Any of those are really 262 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: good names. I love that. Who would you bring back 263 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: from the existing staff? 264 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: Oh that's a tricky question. Come on, these guys are 265 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: all my friends. I'm a big pat bro guy. I 266 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: love I love the human being. I'm a huge fan 267 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: of the human being, and I think a lot of times, Susan, 268 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: I've taught I have a lot of friends. Yeah, we 269 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: have a mutual friend, Eric Chavez, who just got let 270 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: go as a hitting coach for the Mets, and he 271 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: had some interesting things to say. And I've heard this 272 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: not from Pat, but kind of through the grapevine being 273 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: around the team every day. Sometimes with hitting coaches there 274 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: could be too many voices where this guy has a theory, 275 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: this guy has a theory, this guy has a theory, 276 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: and you're hearing it from three different guys. When I think, 277 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: if you really want success, you have to have supreme 278 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: confidence in your guy and maybe an assistant too, because 279 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: it's such a tough job. Like hitting coaches never get 280 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: any of the credit. They get all the blame. It's 281 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: the hardest it's the hardest job on the staff. It's 282 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: never like, oh, the Giants are hitting three hundred with 283 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: the runners in scoring position, way to go, Pat Burrell. 284 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: It's like they're hitting one ten Our hitting coach sucks. 285 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: So you never get any of the credit. You get 286 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: all the blame. So I thought he did a great job. 287 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: He connects with people great greatly, But there may have 288 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: been too many voices. 289 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: I think that's a great point. Yeah, people just don't 290 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: really notice, and we see the work that these guys 291 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: put in behind the scenes and how respected they are 292 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: First of all, I think the whole staff was very 293 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: well respected last year, and I think that's one reason 294 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: Buster and Zach Manazi and have been saying we're going 295 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: to recommend these coaches to the next manager. They've said 296 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: that throughout. But I'm with you with Pat just a 297 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: wonderful person. But I think people also don't realize it's 298 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: not just that hitters are listening to the hitting coaches. 299 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: A lot of them have their own hittings guys, they've 300 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: got dads, they've got people weighing in. Now it's crazy. 301 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: There's almost too much noise sometimes. Plus you get all 302 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: the metrics thrown at you. You know, there's a lot 303 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: You've got to sift through things sometimes. And I do 304 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: think one of the good things about Pat is that 305 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: he played at the big league level and he knows 306 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: how to kind of help each guy find the necessary things. 307 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: And we're also you know, obviously new players came in 308 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: last year who took a while to get going, especially 309 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: Willia Domis. And when you're you have some big bats 310 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: in the top of the order, middle of the order, 311 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: that affects everybody in the order, and that that kind 312 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: of threw things off too. Now, was that going to 313 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: be the best lineup in the division. Of course not, 314 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: but they needed more so I understand the criticisms. I 315 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: don't think it was certainly all pat and I think 316 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: with guys now acclimated to the team, to the order organization, 317 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: know their rules, I think that things could be different. 318 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: But for me, JP Martinez and Garvin Austen need to 319 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: come back. The pitching was more than solid, and Andy 320 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: Baggerley asked Tony Vitello during the press conference, how are 321 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: you going to deal with the Latin players? You haven't 322 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: really had any. You don't speak Spanish, and He's like, yeah, 323 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: I need Spanish speakers on the staff. JP Martinez speak Spanish. 324 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: Obviously they're Spanish relievers. Potentially the Randy won't be back, 325 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: but you know they will have Spanish speakers. But he 326 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: can speak to everyone, but they do need Spanish speakers 327 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: on the staff. I thought JP did a wail of 328 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: a job. I even threw his name out as a 329 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: possible guy they might want to interview as manager because 330 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: I think he could be a major league manager. He 331 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: is that smart. 332 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: Well, when I was with Tony the day he was hired, 333 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: he was really stressed out obviously a long day, right 334 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: you have the press conference and you know you had 335 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on. Probably didn't get a 336 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: lot of sleep. He was really stressing out about picking 337 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: the staff. He's like, I got to pick my staff, 338 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: Like that's going to be the and he was like 339 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: this is going to be tough because he cares. Here's 340 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: how the staff hirings usually go. Susan Tony will have 341 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: his pick first of all, Buster will recommend. But the 342 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: players have so much power now, Like the play players 343 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: want coaches that say what can you do for me? 344 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: How can you make me better? Before it was like 345 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: what can I do for Art? How what can I 346 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: do for Dusty Baker? What can I do for Forelipe Alou? 347 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: But the game has kind of changed to where it's 348 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: like what the coaches can do for the players, like 349 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: how can you make me better? How can you increase 350 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: my value in the industry? Like what can you do 351 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: for me? So in saying that it's harder than ever 352 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: to coach right now, but players kind of like like 353 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: a Robbie Ray, a Justin Verlander, a Logan Webb will 354 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: will either get you hired or get you fired. They'll 355 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: go to if there's a great rapport with their pitching 356 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: coach and he's helping me get better, Buster, we got 357 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: to keep this guy, and then that's how you stay. 358 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: And if the players go to to Buster or whoever, 359 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: the upper echelon guys stuff I never ever ever did, 360 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: but like they can go to him and say, you know, look, 361 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: this guy did this, this, and this, let's try something new. 362 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: So players have so much more power than they used to. 363 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I'm sure Buster talked to 364 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: them about hiring Tony. And you saw Logan's text messages 365 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: and what Logan's been saying about it in the newspaper, 366 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: like he's super excited. This team needed energy. There was 367 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: times this year when they looked like they weren't ready 368 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: to play baseball. We sat there and talked about it. 369 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: I did a number of games where I saw it. 370 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: So now you get energy in your coaching staff, you 371 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: get experience in your coaching staff. You try to try 372 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: to get guys to buy into this is how we're 373 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: going to play. And I can't tell you how many 374 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: shows I did on KMBR about Pat Murphy, the and 375 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers in that college style of brand, that translates 376 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: now in the big leagues, so hopefully we see all 377 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: of that stuff. But the staff hiring the pitching coach, 378 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: the bench coach, to me, is going to be maybe 379 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: even more important now that Tony Vaiitello's the San Francisco 380 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: Giants manager. 381 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: Do you see Mark Kolberg back? I mean, right now, 382 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: we know that the bench coach job is open because 383 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: Ryan Christensen has said he's out. Matt Williams told me 384 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: he's out. So third base. I thought Mark did a 385 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: really nice job at third base when he was a 386 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: third base coach. I know fans usually just remember the mistakes. 387 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: I don't, you know, he had a few stretches that 388 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 2: weren't probably perfect, But I thought he did a nice 389 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: job there. And he's a good He's one of those good, calm, 390 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: level headed presences around the clubhouse. And obviously he also 391 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: has you know, he's Buster's former college teammate and they're 392 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 2: very good friends. So he knows the mind of the 393 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: front office as well as anybody, which I think is 394 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: probably valuable. 395 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: No, he's I love talking baseball with him. He makes 396 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: me think. We talked this year and he said, our 397 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: biggest need is the seven eight nine hitters, and we're 398 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: gonna have plenty of shows to talk about that stuff. 399 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: But seven eight the lineup, we can't have automatic outs, 400 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: and he was saying things that they, you know, move 401 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: the ball around. But guys over take a walk. Mark 402 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: and I talk baseball all the time. I'm a huge fan, 403 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: so I hope he's around. But you know, I had 404 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: a couple of friends that were coaches for the Angels, 405 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: a couple of friends that were coaches for the Mets, 406 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: And when there's a regime change, what the front office 407 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: will always say is like, Hey, it's not up to me, 408 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: It's up to the new manager. So I think I 409 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: think whether Mark Halberg and JP Martinez and Pat Mearle 410 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: come back is essentially up to Tony Vitello, if he 411 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: talks to him, has great conversations, if there's something weird 412 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: about him that doesn't jibe with his philosophy. So it's 413 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: up to the new regime, the new manager to pick 414 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: his coaches, and not so much the front office. I think, 415 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. 416 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's going to need some Spanish speakers and 417 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 2: he knows that, so you know, i'd put it in. 418 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: I really like that coaching staff in general. I know 419 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: the fans weren't necessarily on board with it at all times, 420 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: but I think you know, again, we see the work 421 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: behind the scenes and we know them as people, and 422 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: the effort was tremendous, and the intensity and the focus 423 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: all of those things that you want, So FP, I 424 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: know you very much want to talk about and I 425 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: in fact talk you out of opening with the World 426 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: series like this is a Giants podcast. I hate to 427 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: say it, We're not going to be talking about the 428 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: World Series on a Giants podcast right away. Sadly, maybe 429 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: next next year, on our first one after the season, 430 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: we'll be talking about a Giants world Series. 431 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: The Giants fans are pissed, obviously because the Dodgers won 432 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: another World Series. So yeah, you're right. I will defer 433 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: to you on the topics and the order they cover 434 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: in on. But just from a baseball fan standpoint, one 435 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: of the greatest World Series I've ever seen, and I 436 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: was brute and hard for the J's. I did a 437 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: thing at the ballpark the other day where I ended 438 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: the speech with Goj's and all the Giants people there 439 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: and the employees went nuts. So we were all rooting 440 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: for the Blue Jays, and obviously spending so much time 441 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: in Canada my career as I did, definitely rooting for 442 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: the J's in that. But there were just so many 443 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: little things, and I mean it had everything. It had 444 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: an eighteen any game that was six hours and whatever, 445 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: It had an extra endying in Game seven with a 446 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: bench clear, and all the little things in baseball that 447 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: are I'm passionate about that are the separators between a 448 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: championship and not. It was mostly base running, and that's 449 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: my number one passion in life. That's my number one 450 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: thing that I see every day. I think it wins 451 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: you ten games a year, and just a second primary 452 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: and a secondary lead at third base for kind of 453 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: fallefa might have been the difference in the Blue Jays 454 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: winning the World Series. So it was very entertaining. I 455 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: think it was good for baseball in the sense that 456 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: it helped a lot of people that might have been 457 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: casual fans fall in love with the game based on 458 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: all the drama that if you wrote that script you 459 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't believe in a Hollywood movie. But also I think 460 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: it turned a lot of people off that the team 461 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: that spent the most money won it all. Again. And 462 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how it affects the Giants and how 463 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: they spend in the offseason or or or if you 464 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: can spend like that. I don't know if it was 465 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: good for baseball or bad for baseball, but I do, 466 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: in the end of the day, think it was one 467 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: of the most entertaining World Series ever. 468 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: You know what I think anytime you showcase the greatest player, 469 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: probably in the history of the game, in your biggest event, 470 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: I think it's great for baseball. Look, I have so 471 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: many friends who are Dodgers fans. I'm from northern California, 472 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: but you know, I admit it, I've got Dodger fan friends. 473 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: I know some of the Dodgers players very well and 474 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: like them a lot. But I'm tired of the Dodgers. 475 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: I think we're all a little tired of the Dodgers. 476 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: But I am not tired of watching show. 477 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Hey. 478 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: I will never be tired of watching show. 479 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: Hey. I was. 480 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: You know, we're not supposed to root as writers, you know, 481 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: as a matter of let I work for the Chronicle, 482 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: not for the Giants, so I don't root. But man, 483 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: when he was a free agent, I was like, come on, Showy, 484 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: come to San Francisco, like you'll love Japan Town. You'll 485 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: have so many fans, and uh, you know that day 486 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: he was showed up at the ballpark, we had a 487 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: photographer who kind of got some photos of some behind 488 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: the scenes stuff going on, and we got it nailed 489 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: down that he was there. 490 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: I was like, sosquatch in the meadow. 491 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: You guys are like outside, Yeah, yeah, my friend Mersus 492 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: and Jemmy literally was in the bushes trying to trying 493 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: to spot. 494 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: That's crazy Yamamoto. I went up in my book, is 495 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: he's a dog, like all of a sudden, like he's 496 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: hard to hate. That's the guy I wish the Giants 497 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: would have got because I didn't know he was that 498 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: much of a gamer? Are you kidding me? With all that? 499 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: That was insane. 500 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 2: Well we're going to get to how can the Giants 501 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: compete with la And I do have thoughts on that. 502 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: But this world series, so I you know, I'm here 503 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: in London, so I did not watch any of the 504 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: game's life. I watched a lot of the highlights. I 505 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: read a lot of the recaps and some of the 506 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: other stories and features, and I mean I was wowed. 507 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: But what really jumped out to you. Besides the base running, 508 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: I mean, that's I mean, and some of the individual 509 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: obviously performances were outstanding. But if you had to sum 510 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: it up, how would you describe that world series? Because 511 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: I always think of, you know, the seventy five World Series. 512 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: You know, some of that that first Red sot well 513 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: it wasn't that great a series, but you know when 514 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: the Red Sox finally broke through, and some of those 515 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: some of those you know in the nineties were phenomenal. 516 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: The Blue Jays, you know, obviously played in one of 517 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: the great world series before this. 518 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot of takeaways from it. I learned that 519 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: Ernie Clement is my new favorite player. I mean, that 520 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: guy just absolutely flat out rakes and plays the game 521 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: the right way. So a man crush on him too. 522 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: He can really get after it. But just the fact that, 523 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: like everybody counted the Blue Jays out, and you know 524 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: it was it was a scrappy team that put the 525 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: ball in play against a team that's got a two 526 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: billion dollar payroll or whatever it is. And I love 527 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: the way they I love the way they bounce back 528 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: from really tough defeats, bounced back from adversity and they 529 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: just kept picking themselves up off the mat. And you 530 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: could say the same thing about the Dodgers too. There's 531 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: a lot of grit in that clubhouse that goes way 532 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: beyond the payroll. Maybe that's a credit to Dave Roberts 533 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: and Bob garn and you know, their whole coaching staff too. 534 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 1: But when you're trying to knock out the champ, and 535 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: you get a chance to knock out the champ, you 536 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: got to land the blow. And as soon as they 537 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: didn't pick up the runners, and with runnerund third less 538 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: than two and Dalton var show hit the ground ball 539 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: and the secondary lead. And I mean it's easy to say, well, 540 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: just hit a sack fly, But it's Game seven and 541 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: you're in the batter's box and I was talking to 542 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: my dad, I'm like, I go, I would just tell 543 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: myself hit the ball hard, because if I think about 544 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: the outcome of the game, or I think about if 545 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: I get a hit, I'm a World Series hero and 546 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: we win the World Series, or maybe in the opposite 547 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: order of those two, then you get away from the 548 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: game plan and the process. But to be able to 549 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: control your pulse with the bases loaded, in an at 550 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: bat with less than two outs that could win the 551 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: World Series, for your teammates first and foremost for your city. 552 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: Just and to be like a hero. I don't know 553 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: how you do that, man, And it takes a special 554 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: kind of athlete to just like take a deep breath 555 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: and just get into the process. I'm looking for a 556 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: good pitch out over the plate. I'm thinking the other way. 557 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: I need to get something in the air. Just barrel 558 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: this ball up any way you can. Because if you 559 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: think about your closer, if I throw strike three right here, 560 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: everyone's piling on me on the mound, you're not going 561 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: to throw strike three. If you think about a hitter, 562 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: if I'm going to walk them off, you're not going 563 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: to walk them off. It has to be so right 564 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: here and process oriented, which is so easy for us 565 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: to stay on a podcast. It's so hard to do. 566 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: In Game seven of the World Series. 567 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: Well, and it's funny, you know, you mentioned the importance 568 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: of base running and obviously the secondary lead in that instance. 569 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's almost nobody in the current in the 570 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: modern era who knows the value of base running in 571 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: a big postseason game better than Dave Roberts. I mean, 572 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: he is revered for that. So you know, that's one 573 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: of the things that drove me nuts about the Giants. 574 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: Base running, outfield defense. These are all topics we're going 575 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 2: to get to over the course of the outfield of 576 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 2: the off season. But oh my gosh, those things made 577 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: every baseball player should be a good base runner and 578 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: should field their position. 579 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Come on, uh, you know it's my passion. Man not 580 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: have already talked to the new manager about that, so 581 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't. 582 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: He cannot take you away from me from this podcast. 583 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: This is much bigger FP. 584 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: The podcast Baseball Podcast. We're about to be billionaires, just. 585 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 2: So you know, Oh oh sure, how do the Giants 586 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 2: compete with the Dodgers? Now that's our final topic? 587 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: Do you have to? 588 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants don't, although they have plenty of resources. 589 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. They have loads and loads of 590 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: resources they can spend. They could go over the threshold. 591 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: They could go over the threshold every year. I'm not. 592 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure Greg Johnson's like sh like, but we all 593 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: know that they've got you know, now, they've got the 594 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: whole Bay Area to themselves. Come on, they're on a 595 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: gold mine. They own their own ballpark goal mine. But 596 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: they don't have the media deal the Dodgers have. They 597 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: don't have the show hey income, that extraordinary show Hay income. 598 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: He's already basically paid for HM. You could have offered 599 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: him a billion and it would have been a deal easily. 600 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: And Toronto has a you know, they're the only team 601 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: in Canada. They got resources too, maybe more than the Giants. 602 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, But for me, the separator is the 603 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: Giants could be going and getting the you know, twenty second, 604 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: twenty third and twenty fourth, twenty fifth kind of players 605 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: on the roster that the Dodgers did. These are affordable guys. 606 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: They are not getting those those guys. How are the 607 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: Dodgers getting the best role players too? I mean, everybody 608 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: seems to click once they're there. I mean, they have 609 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: all of this locked up, and then you go down 610 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: to Triple A. They've got the most depth. That's crazy. 611 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean that's a billion dollar question. How can the 612 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Giants compete with the Dodgers. Think, what you have to 613 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: do is worry about yourself and not the Dodgers first 614 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: and foremost. You have to do what you need to 615 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: do to be successful, and what type of brand of 616 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: baseball that is is is going to be. We play 617 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: the game the right way every single day with a 618 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: passion and a focus and an energy that it's all 619 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: we have to do is go out there for two 620 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: and a half hours every night and compete our ass 621 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: off and do all the little things that sometimes we 622 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of times we didn't see last year. 623 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: And whether it is getting I don't think it's Greg 624 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: Johnson spending. That's what all the fans want to do, like, oh, 625 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: you got to spend with the Dodgers. Number one, you 626 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: got to rely on a on a on a back 627 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: to back. Hangover that, how hard is it to three 628 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: p like you have to. You have to hope that 629 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: there's some element of that. And number two, you have 630 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: to hope that Tony Vitello comes in and inspires this 631 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: team and that is is very transparent with the players 632 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: that that realizes like that that he can help them 633 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: be winning players, that he can help the guys that 634 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: haven't had the big time tracks get the contracts through 635 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: a style of baseball that wins and is productive for 636 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: all of us. So for the Giants to compete with 637 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, a they have to worry about themselves. The 638 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Padres are great too, The Diamondbacks are great too. It's 639 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: a really tough division. But it's about to me a 640 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: brand of baseball that scrappy, fundamentally sound, that throws strikes, 641 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: that catches the baseball, that hits the cutoff man, that 642 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: keeps the double play in order. That ninety feet is precious, 643 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: and they're running the bases in a winning manner to win, 644 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: and they're looking for every advantage they can get, turning 645 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: over every stone, lifting up every mat and putting the 646 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: ball in play with two strikes and not striking out 647 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: and running hard to first base and putting pressure on 648 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: the defense. I mean, I could go on for hours 649 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: and hours. If they play a Milwaukee Brewers brand of baseball, 650 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: they will be in the mix, and they will be 651 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: playing in October. But it's not just oh, we did 652 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: it for two weeks and then all of a sudden, 653 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: we don't know what the infield fly rule is letting 654 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: fly balls drop between outfielders and the outfield. It has 655 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: to be an aggressive here on fire, fundamentally sound on 656 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: both sides of the baseball brand of baseball for not 657 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: just a month and then take a month off and 658 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: another month and take a month off. There has to 659 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: be a consistency to it. And there's one hundred and 660 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: sixty two Susan. As you know, you can't go out 661 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: like college baseball and just like whoo, you can't do 662 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: that every night. But you could be consistent in your approach, 663 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: and you could be diligent about your work ethic, and 664 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: you could be passionate about your desire to win, and 665 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: that's how you catch the Los Angeles Dodgers. 666 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I think that the raw ra 667 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: thing is not necessarily going to work all the time, 668 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: and you know, it potentially could backfire at times. But 669 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: I will say I think we're going to have our 670 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: first argument right now. I agree with you everything you said. 671 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: But last year they said pitching in defense, and I said, yeah, 672 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: that is how you got to win, but they did 673 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: not have the personnel to do it. You have to 674 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: have the personnel first and foremost. And you take a 675 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: look at the Giants outfield, which we're going to talk 676 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: a lot about this offseason. The Giants outfield is not 677 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the reasons we saw Drew 678 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: Gilbert much earlier than I think we thought we might 679 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: see him. The Giants outfield is not a good defensive outfield, 680 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: especially once they traded. Yes, just not. They don't have 681 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: the personnel to be, you know, among the better outfields, 682 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: which is what they need, especially at that ballpark. I 683 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: love Elliott Ramos. I love him as a hitter, I 684 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: love him as a person. He's phenomenal. I'm not sure 685 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: he is an adequate major league left fielder. I think 686 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: he has to take a huge step forward next year 687 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: at that position, and he needs to be confident, and 688 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: he needs to be focused, and he has not shown 689 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: that yet. If not, I think he should be a 690 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: DH and they've got Bryce Eldridge to do that. I 691 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: don't know what you do in that spot. And Jung 692 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: Hu Lee love watching Jung Who, but he is not 693 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 2: one of the better center fielders in the game right now. 694 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: He needs to take a step forward now. He was 695 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: playing in his first full season. I'm going to give 696 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 2: him a big asterisk for that, but we need to 697 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: see a lot more from him. And I'm going to 698 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: talk about this all off season. I'm so sorry I'm 699 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: gonna bore you on it, but I think you know 700 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: it's more than just saying we have to play the 701 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 2: game the right way, and they do. They have to 702 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: have the players that can do that. 703 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's where the work comes in and you have 704 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: to buy in. I mean, the only way you get 705 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: better than outfielders taking fly balls off the bat live, 706 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: not fungos, not machines. You just got a power shag 707 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: and you have to do it. And if you if 708 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: you've reached your ceiling defensively, I always think that on 709 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: that side of the baseball, there's so much upside if 710 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: you want to work at it. There's there's only so 711 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: far and go as a hitter based on what God 712 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: gave you and your work ethic, you know. But on defense, 713 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: like Wade Boggs was a terrible third basement of the 714 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: minor leagues and he won a Gold Glove, and there's 715 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of examples of that. So it's just it's 716 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: just about caring about defense and working hard at it 717 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: and wanting to be better at it. And I think 718 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: when you talk about spending, you're never going to spend 719 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: with the Dodgers if you're Greg Johnson. But just make 720 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: some smart choices, get some scrappy guys, some guys that 721 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: can play defense like back to seven, eight and nine. 722 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: They're not automatic outs. They can bud guys over and 723 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: hit and run and take a walk. They don't have 724 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: to be three hundred hitters. They just have to be 725 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: tough outs. I think if you build the lineup with 726 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: tough outs, but all your points are well taken, Susan, 727 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I need to be convinced. 728 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: I need to be convinced that some guys have not 729 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 2: hit their ceilings defensively because I we have not seen 730 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: that to be the case yet. Well, it's otherwise, go 731 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 2: out and get a couple of good defensive players. 732 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: If you think your guys aren't good defensively, then coach 733 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: them up. Man. It's that simple. It's like you can't 734 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: complain about guys being bad at something and if you're 735 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: the coach. That's why Tony's the manager of the Giants 736 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: right now, because I feel like he's going to hire 737 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: staff that there's going to be a tireless workout ethic. 738 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: I think his biggest challenge besides the obvious, is going 739 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: to be to realize when to like, like back off 740 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, because there are one hundred and sixty 741 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: two games and we can't just run these guys into 742 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: the ground with with with early work every day. 743 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: You're the optimist. I guess I'm going to be the 744 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 2: skeptics sometimes on the show. 745 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: But no, I like that. 746 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: We almost agree on everything. That wouldn't be that wouldn't 747 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: be fun if we if we agreed on everything, but 748 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: we usually do. 749 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: So. There was some breaking news before we just started 750 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: to record the greatest podcast in history, Splash Hit. It's 751 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: something about the Hall of Fame, Like you're on the 752 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: Contemporary Yeah, Era Committee, there's something about the we can 753 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: tease this for our next show. 754 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: We're going yeah, for our next show. Yeah, yeah, let's 755 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: talk about it next time. Yeah. I'm on the Contemporary 756 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: Era Ballot Committee. I'm on all the ERAS ballot committee 757 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: we formed obviously, so it's what it sounds like. We 758 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: formulate the ballots for the Era Committee to vote on. 759 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 2: And I can say, if you haven't seen already since 760 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 2: the I think it came out about an hour ago, 761 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 2: Barry Bonds is back on the ballot. Jeff Kent is 762 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: on the ballot. So we'll be considered, uh, along with 763 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 2: a bunch of other names by the ERAS Committee at 764 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 2: during the winter meetings. This year and that will be decided. 765 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 2: I find those are always going to be interesting, So 766 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 2: stay tuned next time because we will talk about that 767 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 2: in full. 768 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: Can they fight in the dugout in Cooperstown if they 769 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: both make it, that'd be awesome, Just a full on 770 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: brawl the induction ceremony like they did in San Diego. 771 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: They didn't like each other, by the way, Chuck here 772 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: makes it. 773 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 2: Can they put like a truck at Chuck Chuck onto 774 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: his plaque? 775 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: They were like little kids. If Barry had to have 776 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: one one whole row on the plane, Jeff had to 777 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: have two rows. If Barry was ten minutes late for stretching, 778 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: Jeff had to be eleven minutes late for stretching. They 779 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: were like little kids, but both great teammates. I enjoyed 780 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: them both very much, and Barry and I are still close. 781 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to Jeff in yours, but I'll just 782 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: say this, I'll leave I'll end the show with this. 783 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame isn't the Hall of Fame until 784 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds gets in, period. It just isn't. So whatever 785 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: you need to thoughts, your little committees, make sure Barry 786 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: gets into the Hall of fame. 787 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: Well, I was on that committee and he is on 788 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: that ballot. I was on the last Eras committee that 789 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: did not Photoman. We can talk about that too. I 790 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 2: can't talk too much in depth about that because we're 791 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: not allowed too, but well we'll talk around it, all right. 792 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: Well, that was fun In our first ever podcast, Splash 793 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: It on the File Territory Network. We've had a blast today. 794 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna do these periodically. You're gonna 795 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: be my guest periodically and we're going to talk about 796 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: the giants every single time. So it was fun actually 797 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: just to get to see you. You're in jolly old 798 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: England across the pond. It was fun talking baseball with 799 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: you and that was really cool. 800 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: Thanks fantastic. And where can people find us now? And 801 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 2: where do you appear with this beautiful video? 802 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 1: I have it right here. You can subscribe to Splash 803 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: Shit Territory on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. 804 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: We're part of the File Territory Network. 805 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna do that right now. 806 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it right now. Al right, Susan until thanks. 807 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: Thanks you FP. Here we go with the outro h