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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: on the road, including me, I leave on Friday. Buck's

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Speaker 1: going to have the show next week for you solo.

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Speaker 1: I'm headed off to Australia. Cannot wait, never been wanting

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Speaker 1: to go my whole life, taking the whole family. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk, but some of you may want to

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Speaker 1: be able to listen to the show all over the place.

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Speaker 1: You may be traveling like I am. Miranda Devine going

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Speaker 1: to join us at one thirty from the New York Post.

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly going to join us at two thirty, and

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Speaker 1: we'll certainly be talking with Miranda about the Hunter Biden latest.

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Speaker 1: But Buck, another big story that is out there that

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Speaker 1: I think is that I think is pretty significant and

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I get this right.

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Speaker 1: So on pulling up the article. This is from Politico.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is going to review the scope. This

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Speaker 1: is their headline of an obstruction law that Trump is

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Speaker 1: charged with breaking, but that they have used I believe

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Speaker 1: to charge over three hundred jan sixth prisoners with and

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Speaker 1: here's the opening paragraphs. Supreme Court has agreed to take

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Speaker 1: up a case that could derail hundreds of January sixth

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Speaker 1: felony prosecutions and could also deal a blow to Special

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Speaker 1: counsel Jack Smith's prosecution of former President Donald Trump. The case,

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Speaker 1: arising from the prosecution of a jan sixth defendant accused

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Speaker 1: of pushing against police and inflaming a mob attempting to

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Speaker 1: breach the capital, calls into question prosecutors handling of an

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Speaker 1: obstruction law. They've been using this federal charge obstruction of

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Speaker 1: an official receding to very ambiguous and amorphous, relatively new

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Speaker 1: federal charge. It carries a twenty year maximum sentence and

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Speaker 1: is one of the four felony counts that Trump is facing.

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Speaker 1: And another count charges them with conspiring to violate that

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Speaker 1: obstruction law. So this is basically half of the charges

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Speaker 1: that have been brought against Trump. Now, buck what I

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Speaker 1: want to mention before we kind of dive back into

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Speaker 1: this is in theory, if you were going to charge

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Speaker 1: someone with obstruction of an official proceeding, which.

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Speaker 2: Carries a twenty year sentence.

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Speaker 1: Jamal Bowman, congressman from New York who pulled the fire

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Speaker 1: alarm to keep the House of Representatives from being in order,

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Speaker 1: this would be an easy charge to potentially get with him.

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Speaker 1: Anyone in theory who is showing up on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: and disrupting any public hearing. In theory, any protesting anything

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Speaker 1: for any reason in theory could also be charged with this.

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Speaker 3: So all those crazy code pink ladies, remember all of

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Speaker 3: them showing up at all these hearings and making the

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Speaker 3: noise and disrupting, and we have to get people to

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Speaker 3: you know, order, and we did in federal prison. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean this also brings up a whole other thing,

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Speaker 3: which is pretty much every federal crime is like ten

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 3: And they do this so that effectively, if the federal

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Speaker 3: government decides that you've done something, your options are plead

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Speaker 2: Twenty years in federal prison. You know, good luck. So anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so here's the big takeaway.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, we're gonna talk with Julie Kelly

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Speaker 1: about this in detail because she's been covering this fabulously

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Speaker 1: well on all the jan six cases.

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Speaker 2: But here's what it means for Trump. Buck, I don't

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Speaker 2: see any way.

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Speaker 1: This case is going to trial on March fourth. I

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Speaker 1: don't see any now. I know we talked earlier in

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Speaker 3: Andy said, gun to his head, and those are his words.

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Speaker 3: He still thinks that this goes through, but he said

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Speaker 3: he sounded like he was sixty forty on it, you

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Speaker 2: It's very tight.

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Speaker 1: And that was also before the Supreme Court announced they

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Speaker 1: because I don't know why else they would take this case.

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Speaker 1: we agree with the lower court, this should definitely be used.

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Speaker 2: And think of the.

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Speaker 3: Shift in the narrative that would occur to anyone who's

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Speaker 3: you over zealously prosecuted those January sixth defenders. You unfairly

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Speaker 3: you know, Trump told us last time we sat down

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I think this would just add not that he

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Speaker 3: For that, but for the general public, it would show

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Speaker 3: that there really has been abuse here. You know, you

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Speaker 3: and I have been talking about this, and we've been

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Speaker 3: highlighting your year's work for a long time. We were

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Speaker 3: one of these things, right. You could say, yeah, it

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Speaker 3: go to the Capitol that day. What depends on who

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Speaker 3: be treated like al Qaeda and you know, arrested at

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Speaker 3: isn't the gulag system. What the heck is going on here?

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Speaker 3: People who have been saying that have been like us,

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Speaker 2: That's reality. I donated money, did Julie Kelly? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I remember group to try to get people good lawyers

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Speaker 1: because I think Republicans have been remiss on this situation

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Speaker 1: because so many of them were afraid of any connection

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Speaker 1: dropping them from felonies to misdemeanors. And but again, two

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Speaker 1: case are now in severe question. There's going to be

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Speaker 1: we definitely can't have Trump stand trial on two charges

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Speaker 2: So I wonder.

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Speaker 1: Whether Jack Smith is going to have to revise his

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's in a really tough spot here, and

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can text Andy McCarthy and see if he

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Speaker 1: wants to revise as his prediction now that this latest

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Speaker 1: any way possible that these four charges can be brought

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Speaker 2: I really don't.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, just think about for a moment if

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Speaker 3: all of these if now all of the trials, I

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Speaker 3: still think one or two are going to happen. I

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Speaker 3: if all of them aren't going to happen before the election,

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Speaker 3: then the next administration, Biden or whomever has to make

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Speaker 3: that persecution. This is why we say this election is

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Speaker 1: This is also why I would say, if this trial

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Speaker 1: and let's say Joe Biden were to win, I can

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Speaker 1: see Biden covering up his Hunter Biden pardoned by also

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Speaker 1: Right, this is not happening, especially if he convinces himself that,

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Speaker 1: even though it's not true, all these charges are political

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Speaker 1: could see him pardoning Trump on these charges when he

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Speaker 1: I think it would be hard for the national media

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Speaker 2: I think Biden my.

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Speaker 3: Belief, and I don't pretend that anyone really knows what's

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Speaker 3: going to happen here, but my prediction is Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: It is whispered constantly that Kamala will take over. Don't worry.

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Speaker 3: This is just to just to swindle people in one

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Speaker 3: more election. Yeah, and have one more you know, ballot harvesting,

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Speaker 3: And then right around Christmas time, Joe pardons his son,

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Speaker 3: actually going to celebrate the swearing in of the first

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Speaker 3: black female president, Kamala Harris. That's what I actually think

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Speaker 3: is going to happen if the Democrats win. I don't

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Speaker 3: Harris two years to be the presumptive. But I think

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Speaker 3: at one hundred percent he would in December regardless of

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Speaker 3: what happens, I think you'll pardon hunt Well the only

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Speaker 3: do you really think that the Democrat electorate cares that

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Speaker 2: I think the answer is no. Actually, so I might even.

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Speaker 3: Co sign with you that he that that Biden stays

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Speaker 3: Remember when there was a a bud light boycott moment.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think anyone was calling for a boycott.

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Speaker 3: It just happened. There was a point in time because

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Speaker 3: Dylan Molvney doesn't present as you know, however old. The

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Speaker 3: Clay actually had his bud Light test field test, if

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Speaker 2: Back in May.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of nobody was drinking bud Light. I've seen Buck

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Speaker 3: Dana White, as you all know, as a founder of

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you what if you consider yourself a patriot, right,

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Speaker 4: you're a patriot, you should be drinking gallons of bud Light.

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Speaker 4: Believe me when I tell you.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, I should bet I should be boycotting

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Speaker 4: Gallons of bud Light. You should have bud Light and

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you, I who Liean Moore this way. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I who consider myself a patriot. I don't go crazy

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Speaker 4: this country. And you are way more aligned with Anheuser

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Speaker 2: Clay two questions help.

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Speaker 1: I think Annheuser Busch, if you're truly a patriotic brand,

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Speaker 1: to me is not enough and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: amazing how suddenly he's convinced that bud Light is super patriotic.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if bud Light gave me a hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 1: Know, a little bit questionable when somebody gives you one

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Speaker 1: deserves all the Pulitzers for her Hunter Biden New York

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Speaker 1: What did you think of Hunter Biden's performance and his

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of shifting that has gone on here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the shifting of the goalpost is absolutely breathtaking and

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Speaker 5: But I thought it was a performance just as you said.

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Speaker 5: There's just no consequences ever for Hunter, and I think

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Speaker 5: Every other witness that's turned up to these householver site

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Speaker 5: have the clown show that I'm sorry. That's what the

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Speaker 5: And that is a very clever, loyally term of those

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Speaker 5: bribery just says you have to have provided services in

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Speaker 5: your official capacity in return for benefits, and those benefits

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Speaker 5: went to his immediate family, you know, millions of dollars

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Speaker 5: of benefits, and so Joe Biden appearing, you know, meeting

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Speaker 5: with Hunter's business partners, showing up on Devon Archer set

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Speaker 5: up to twenty phone calls. I'm told there are more

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Speaker 5: on the speaker phone to speak to Hunter's business partners,

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Speaker 5: you know, the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor, which is

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Speaker 5: the big quick pro quo which they are most worried about.

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Speaker 5: All of those things are benefits where Joe Biden used

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Speaker 5: his official powers to benefit his son and his brother.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Miranda Devine of The New York Post and Miranda,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think that you're seeing this the way

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Speaker 3: I am, which is that I don't believe Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: is worried at all about the legal consequences, at least

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Speaker 3: in in terms of incarceration and serving any kind of

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Speaker 3: a printed prison sentence. We can see that one. But

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Speaker 3: are the people in and around Biden world concerned that

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Speaker 3: this is actually causing real political harm to Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: or do they think they'll be able to pull the Oh,

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Speaker 3: Hunter is just an addict, and his dad loves them,

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Speaker 3: and he had nothing to do with the card, and

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Speaker 3: that will be enough.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think they have the media on their side,

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Speaker 5: so they can manipulate and control the narrative in any

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Speaker 5: way they like, I think the fact that you've had

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Speaker 5: this week, some Democrats have come out, I think like

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Speaker 5: Chris Murphy and have effectively thrown Hunter runs the bus

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Speaker 5: and just said, look, you know, he's troubled, he's done

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Speaker 5: terrible things, blah blah blah. But they just cauterize him

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Speaker 5: from his father and they will just and I think

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Speaker 5: there are a lot of people you just look at

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Speaker 5: the Washington Post comments under stories in the New York

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Speaker 5: Times who are very ready to forgive Joe Biden and

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Speaker 5: to say his only crime was to be a loving father,

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Speaker 5: and he suffered enough tragedy in his life they both

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Speaker 5: have leave them alone in cruel Republicans, and it's very cynical.

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Speaker 5: And I guess that's what Joe Biden has done throughout

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Speaker 5: his career. I mean, he's had forty some odd years

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Speaker 5: to cement this image of himself as honest, Joe, modest, Joe,

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Speaker 5: Joe who's you know, full of empathy because of the

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Speaker 5: tragedies that he you know, the legitimate tragedies that he

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Speaker 5: has suffered in his life, but he's leaveraged that politically,

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Speaker 5: you know, the photo. I always think of this when

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Speaker 5: his wife and baby daughter were killed in a car

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Speaker 5: crash at the very beginning of his senate career and

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Speaker 5: Hunter and his brother Bo were just little, tiny tops

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Speaker 5: and they were badly injured in the car accident. And

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Speaker 5: so they're in hospital, all bandaged up, and you know,

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Speaker 5: little one, you know, motherless boys, lying on this hospital bed,

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Speaker 5: and Joe Biden invited the photographers and the media scrum

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Speaker 5: into that room to photograph him while he was being

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Speaker 5: sworn in. And you know, that touched the heartstrings of

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Speaker 5: two generations of American voters. And you can't help but

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Speaker 5: feel empathy and sympathy when you see that photograph. But

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Speaker 5: when you step back a little bit and think about it,

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's used that photograph in every election campaign since.

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Speaker 5: And why didn't he, you know, get sworn in sworn.

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Speaker 1: In anywhere other than his kid's hospital room is a

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Speaker 1: very valid question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he could have, And they're right in the foreground.

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Speaker 5: He's used that every time, and it's quite sickening. You know,

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Speaker 5: even when he met with the family members of the

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Speaker 5: thirteen fallen service personnel who were killed in car in

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Speaker 5: the watched his watched withdrawal from Afghanistan. You know, you

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Speaker 5: saw then how genuine his empathy is. Those parents were

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Speaker 5: disgusted by his behavior. He's looking at his watch constantly

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Speaker 5: as the bodies were being brought home. And then when

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Speaker 5: he talked to them, they said that he just talked

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Speaker 5: about himself. He just talked about his son Bo, who

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Speaker 5: died several years earlier of brain cancer, not from falling

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Speaker 5: in the line of duty as their sons did because

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Speaker 5: of the incompetent president who was seeking a timeline that

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Speaker 5: suited him politically to get out of Afghanistan. So I

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Speaker 5: think that, you know, over time, the mythology that Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden has built around himself is crumbling. Honest, Joe certainly

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Speaker 5: is modest. Joe. I mean, he has a champagne lifestyle

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Speaker 5: and so does his entire family. And you can see

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Speaker 5: that just from the indictment of hunt of Biden, where

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Speaker 5: you know, the millions of dollars that he lavished on

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Speaker 5: himself and his own indulgences from hookers to you know,

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Speaker 5: tens of thousands of dollars on clothes. I think it

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Speaker 5: was seventy thousand dollars on new teeth. You know, hotel rooms,

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Speaker 5: lavish hotel rooms. You know money is no object.

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Speaker 1: And do you feel, by the way, Miranda, last question

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Speaker 1: for you, and thank you for the time here, do

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Speaker 1: you feel some measure of vindication that years now after

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Speaker 1: your initial report, basically, if you look at that those

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Speaker 1: charges fought filed for tax evasion issues with Hunter, all

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Speaker 1: of it's now been proven to be true. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you read that complaint. A lot of it

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Speaker 1: was reporting that you had previously put out there based

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Speaker 1: on the laptop. Is that some form of personal validation

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Speaker 1: now that it took three years and anybody with a

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Speaker 1: functional brain who'd read your reporting knew how valid it was.

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Speaker 1: But now it's out there in the public domain and

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Speaker 1: impossible to ignore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of. I mean, look, it was so obviously true,

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Speaker 5: and one with Arthur brain and who was honest knew

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Speaker 5: it was true from the start. And Joe Biden's continual

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Speaker 5: lies and cover up that the immense cover up from

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Speaker 5: the DOJ and the FBI and the CIA shows that

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Speaker 5: they obviously have something to hide. And I don't think

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Speaker 5: we've uncovered it all yet. So let's hope that you know,

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Speaker 5: justice does come and accountability does come. And that the

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Speaker 5: American people, especially that part of the public that is

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Speaker 5: being a gas lit by their media sources, that they

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Speaker 5: actually come to their senses and realize the truth and

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Speaker 5: that something is done about this corruption in Washington, because

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Speaker 5: if the Biden family gets away with this outright corruption

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Speaker 5: and selling out America's national security, then you know, the

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Speaker 5: next person that does it will be even worse.

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Speaker 3: Brand of devine. Everybody always fantastic, Miranda, appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 5: Great to be with you, guys.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking to Andy McCarthy him update some

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Speaker 3: legal bombshell news that the Supreme Court will be taking

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Speaker 3: downstream effects of that. So there's big stuff coming together here.

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Speaker 3: And I'll just say, Clay, I wanted to take a

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Speaker 3: couple of calls here, but if the legal thing against Trump,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what we call it, Like

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Speaker 3: the legal I've set assault onslaught stratagem, whatever you want

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Speaker 3: to call it, if it basically collapses before we even

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Speaker 3: get into summer twenty twenty four, meaning it's either delayed

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Speaker 3: or you know, maybe even some of this stuff isn't

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Speaker 3: gonna isn't going to survive appeal and all the rest

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Speaker 3: of it. I think Democrats and that I think than

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Speaker 3: it is panic button time for them with I don't

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Speaker 3: know what they're going to do, but they've been in

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Speaker 3: the back of their minds this whole time thinking doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter that it's Biden, because we're gonna get Trump with

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Speaker 3: this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the news today and we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: with Andy McCarthy here in a few minutes, and we'll

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Speaker 1: also talk about it with Julie Kelly. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a bombshell, and I don't think most people have realized

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Speaker 1: how significant it is. Again, the Supreme Court is taking

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Speaker 1: up a case to challenge the federal government's use of

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Speaker 1: half of the charges that have been brought two of

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Speaker 1: the four that have been brought against Trump by Jack

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Speaker 1: Smith for January sixth related misdeeds. That's a big deal

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Speaker 1: because at a minimum, I don't understand And we'll talk

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Speaker 1: with Andy McCarthy about this. How in the world they

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Speaker 1: can now hope to start this trial on March fourth.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, Buck, I think he gets bumped

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Speaker 1: back to summer. Maybe it doesn't even end up happening

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Speaker 1: at all. And I haven't heard a lot of people

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Speaker 1: even analyze this because I feel like this is the

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Speaker 1: lynch pin that must have for any chance for Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden to really be able to win is to play

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Speaker 1: all this law fair. John in Columbus, Ohio, a couple

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Speaker 1: of callers, what you got for us?

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Speaker 6: Good, good afternoon. When you're talking about bud Light Budweiser.

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Speaker 6: My biggest problem was, Hey, I've been drinking it for

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Speaker 6: almost forty years and taking a lot of guff for it.

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Speaker 6: And when she came out and said we're trying to

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Speaker 6: change the image of the people drinking our product. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: they were basically a dressing and they also called it

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Speaker 6: a fraddy beer. When I was in college, no one

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Speaker 6: drinks the Light because it was too expensive.

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Speaker 2: They drank that right light. You know, look, it's a

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Speaker 2: very good point, thank you.

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Speaker 3: You know, it would be like us coming on radio

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Speaker 3: being like, yeah, we just people who like America. I

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Speaker 3: don't like those people like, what are you doing right?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's insane to insult your core audience, and

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Speaker 3: that is what Blood Life did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get quickly and well we'll get Ruth

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Speaker 1: a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: Ruth has been waiting a while. I want to get

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Speaker 2: at Hurst. Just got a good question. You want to

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Speaker 2: just we could Ruth do it quickly? We get thirty seconds?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, you get fit it in?

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Speaker 5: Am I up?

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Speaker 2: Yep, you're up. You got twenty seconds.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I've never heard of the drift whether somebody can

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Speaker 6: be pardoned before they've been convicted.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a fantastic question. The answer is yes, they

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Speaker 1: could do that. Remember Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon from

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Speaker 1: all potential crimes that he could face right after he

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Speaker 1: took presidency.

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton pardoned financier and Democrat donor Mark Rich after

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Speaker 3: he fled justice to live in Switzerland.

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Speaker 2: There you go,