Speaker 1: R and be Money.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 3: A party, and the mister Jermaine j P and this.
Speaker 4: My brother come on for intro. God damn.
Speaker 3: Got to be right.
Speaker 5: So they go back to the hip hop ship that
Speaker 5: you wanted to do it Yeah, okay, okay with.
Speaker 4: It something like, Brian, I guess we gotta come up
Speaker 4: with you know, we gotta do some up tempo fun.
Speaker 4: This is what they want to do. Now I'm not
Speaker 4: writing it either, so it's making it harder for me
Speaker 4: because I can't use my ideas. Right, I know that
Speaker 4: they write, So I gotta just come up with a
Speaker 4: beat a track to sound like something. And I got
Speaker 4: up old guitar at my house, out of key guitar,
Speaker 4: and Brian started playing with it and fucking with it,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yo, we should use that. He's like
Speaker 4: what this guitar. I'm saying like make it getting key
Speaker 4: or whatever, and I'm a sample your licks and he
Speaker 4: started playing with a party at Lix and the guitar
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, just it. I started making taking
Speaker 4: the parts, making a beat, and then Jay come over
Speaker 4: to the studio and they start singing and they start
Speaker 4: going I'm like, oh yeah, this sounded like it, this
Speaker 4: gonna be.
Speaker 1: It right here?
Speaker 4: Hey, where the party at. I'm like, dann, this song
Speaker 4: needs something though it still ain't. It ain't all the
Speaker 4: way there yet. And by the way, I never used
Speaker 4: no artists outside of my artists to break to do
Speaker 4: anything like that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So, but they like, yo, get Nelly on the song
Speaker 4: Nellie smoking hot at this time, I'm like, getting Nelly
Speaker 4: on the song?
Speaker 1: You sure?
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, that's your boy? What you thinking about?
Speaker 1: Call that?
Speaker 4: Nigga? I called Nelly universal two fifty.
Speaker 3: In a dumble bag.
Speaker 4: I said what I said?
Speaker 5: What ain't no trains, nothing that can't no bartery to fifty.
Speaker 4: I never had paid that type of money for a
Speaker 4: million for a feature.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Nelly's on top.
Speaker 6: Of the world.
Speaker 4: They said two fifty, You're a diamond nigga. I said, damn. Now,
Speaker 4: I got to call Columbia because I'm like, listen, hey, hey, hey, listen.
Speaker 4: So so but Colombia's they they stoked because they jagged
Speaker 4: jagget the remix. Let's get married? Is Peak doing some shit?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They so they see now they see light with Jack.
Speaker 4: They like you what you got? I'm like, I got
Speaker 4: a song. I just got to put Nelly on it,
Speaker 4: and I feel like we can we can follow up.
Speaker 4: Let's get married with this song. You put Nelly on
Speaker 4: the record, it's a go. He's like, all right, well,
Speaker 4: what you wanna do? I said, we gotta give two fifty.
Speaker 4: They said two fifty. What I said, you gotta send
Speaker 4: them two hundred fifty thousand dollars. He gonna go in
Speaker 4: the studio. Donniana's like, Okay, let's do it. Let's go ahead.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like this, this is gonna
Speaker 4: this is gonna do it for him. I say, yeah,
Speaker 4: so you get the verse from Nelly. I think the
Speaker 4: song is a hit. I go to back, I go
Speaker 4: to New York play the song for Donniana and he
Speaker 4: listened to the song. He's like, it's cool. It ain't
Speaker 4: there yet. I'm like, what you got, Nelly? We got
Speaker 4: all these different parts. It's going He's like something, it's
Speaker 4: just ain't. Damn, it's something. Ain't. It's still missing something.
Speaker 4: So I come back home. I call the guys to
Speaker 4: the studio. I'm like, yo, he said, a song missing someth.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Fuck, we don't know what you talking about.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 4: I mean, so it's like all that. I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: we gotta we gotta listen to him and say it's
Speaker 4: missing something. We gotta figure out what is missing. And
Speaker 4: then wingoes like, so we start having a conversation about
Speaker 4: party things that happened at the party. What is the
Speaker 4: thing that call him repeat that happens at a party,
Speaker 4: that happens all the time at the party, right, put
Speaker 4: your hands up, let's sad for your hand dude. My
Speaker 4: lady's running this motherfuck us. And we start just bringing
Speaker 4: all the ideas of like what happens at the party.
Speaker 4: We put that on the song. So this is not
Speaker 4: on the initial we put that part. We figured that
Speaker 4: part out, put that on the song. I go back
Speaker 4: to New York the next week, I play it for Donnie.
Speaker 4: He's like, that's it, And I'm like, are you fucking serious?
Speaker 4: Like this is eight bars to just us my east
Speaker 4: side run this mother, He's like, that's it. You got it.
Speaker 4: Y'all figured it out and where the party at gone?
Speaker 6: Gone?
Speaker 1: The art of making records, but it's also right.
Speaker 3: It's also.
Speaker 7: The respect of like listening to a guy say you're
Speaker 7: close and taking all of your your producer ego and
Speaker 7: writer ego.
Speaker 3: You're the things, the success that you've already had.
Speaker 7: But to that point, taking that out of the picture
Speaker 7: and say, hey man, there's got to be another level
Speaker 7: we can get to. This guy says, there's another level
Speaker 7: we can get to. Let's let's let's fucking find it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm always I'm determined to find it. I
Speaker 4: hate when people tell me though it's not that, but
Speaker 4: I I trusted they saying it for a reason. Right
Speaker 4: fast forward two thousand. I think we we because we
Speaker 4: from I think the last album at my house, my
Speaker 4: mother's house, was jay E heartbreak Fast forward two thousand.
Speaker 4: I built my studio south Side. The first record we
Speaker 4: make in south Side is we start on Usher's first
Speaker 4: second album, third album. Basically, the first song we write
Speaker 4: when we move into that studio is you got it bad?
Speaker 1: So he's gonna pay for the studio.
Speaker 4: This so Brian. I heard him say this on when
Speaker 4: he was here. He wanted to work with Usher is
Speaker 4: so bad. He didn't know he was gonna get the
Speaker 4: opportunity to work with Ushier. I called him like man,
Speaker 4: he would do jacket desh. He ain't know if I
Speaker 4: was gonna keep using him. He thought, you know, he
Speaker 4: did jacket desh. He ain't know whatever. I called him.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, I gotta start on this Usher record.
Speaker 4: I need you come over. He come to south Side.
Speaker 4: We started working and I'm like, we gotta do an
Speaker 4: extension of Nice and Slow. I'm saying like Nice and
Speaker 4: Slow was like about it. People love it. Brian was
Speaker 4: in love with nice and Low. I was like, I
Speaker 4: want this next song to sound like it's that. It's
Speaker 4: right there, but it's a something else.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: It sounded like something else. So we started writing you
Speaker 4: Got It Bad, and we're making the music. I'm not
Speaker 4: even I don't have the lyrics yet. And then Usher
Speaker 4: come to the studio and Usher got a girl. Matter
Speaker 4: of fact, we had another song.
Speaker 1: I think we had.
Speaker 4: We was working on another song. Matter of fact. That's
Speaker 4: how we got to it. Was working on another song.
Speaker 4: He was in the studio, so the girl called him
Speaker 4: on the phone. He hang up. They're going at it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what's wrong, man? Can we get this fucking song?
Speaker 4: You know I'm watching the through that. I'm like, can
Speaker 4: we get the song?
Speaker 1: Guy?
Speaker 4: He like shit, i'ma I'll be back right in the middle.
Speaker 4: Of the session. So the girl got him fucked up right,
Speaker 4: And all I could sit there and think about was
Speaker 4: this nigga got it bad, like you've got you got it,
Speaker 4: you got it bad, you got it bad. And I
Speaker 4: just start putting every pieces that I saw him do.
Speaker 4: I started writing them, and I started thinking like and
Speaker 4: I called him when he left, I said, come back,
Speaker 4: I got it. He came back. I had this song.
Speaker 1: I ain't got what you call right back?
Speaker 7: You hate I hate this. This nigga is so good.
Speaker 5: But you know the other part that I've noticed, your
Speaker 5: humility in all of it is what makes it, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, just from the outside looking in, is what
Speaker 5: makes it work because you're never above the song, You're
Speaker 5: never above the situation. In all of these hit records,
Speaker 5: you keep saying I was a pressure, all right, nigga,
Speaker 5: I didn't know you know what I'm saying it was.
Speaker 5: It's not you know, because you understand we've been in
Speaker 5: music forever. We've done it one hundred and fifty interviews.
Speaker 5: You see when certain niggas is like, the humility may
Speaker 5: not be there, right, And that's cool, that's fine, iever
Speaker 5: that works for you. But what I've found in talking
Speaker 5: to you, is that you get out of the way
Speaker 5: of of all the bullshit and just fucking write a
Speaker 5: great song. Just write the record, even if you got
Speaker 5: a tweak it, even if you got like all of
Speaker 5: these things that sometimes as we become successful, you do
Speaker 5: people do less and less self auditing. What you mean,
Speaker 5: what you mean, nigga, go buy somebody else record.
Speaker 1: Then you're saying no, no, no, no, I'm gonna figure this.
Speaker 4: Out because that does None of that worked for me.
Speaker 4: It worked for me. Is your reaction. If I play
Speaker 4: a song you don't react, I know it ain't no hit.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna argue with I might think it's
Speaker 4: a hit, I'm still not gonna argue with it, because
Speaker 4: I'm saying that reaction is what. That's what, that's what.
Speaker 4: That's all I got, that's all I know. If you
Speaker 4: and I'll keep going till I find that reaction, till
Speaker 4: you give me that reaction, I'm not gonna stop on
Speaker 4: every project. That's what I have to get. I have
Speaker 4: to have that reaction, the same reaction that I got
Speaker 4: on every record. It got to be the same thing.
Speaker 4: Somebody gotta come from the back somebody gotta jump in.
Speaker 4: Somebody gotta do something. If they don't, If they don't
Speaker 4: do that, that song is not coming out. It ain't that.
Speaker 4: Ain't that ain't the song. Nope, that ain't it. I
Speaker 4: don't care how niggas jumping around in the studio. That ain't.
Speaker 4: I got to see somebody, somebody else, got to show
Speaker 4: me the natural reaction. They gotta show me a natural
Speaker 4: reaction before I actually believe. It's a goal still to
Speaker 4: this day, still to this day. So so where y'all
Speaker 4: want to go next? I'm guy ready to tell y'all
Speaker 4: got no La was here and I saw LA, but
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that what you said about I mean,
Speaker 4: oh you both of y'all saying about me, not like
Speaker 4: really cared about what people you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: I always get knocked down, So I'm already it's not
Speaker 4: like JD.
Speaker 3: We believe you.
Speaker 4: It's almost like my success. They used my success against
Speaker 4: me to be like you can't eat I bet you
Speaker 4: can't do that shit again. You think you got.
Speaker 1: Another one of them?
Speaker 4: You think you got another one of.
Speaker 1: Them in there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right, So I'm always mentally I'm going into the studio
Speaker 4: already thinking like these niggas don't believe we could do
Speaker 4: it again. We gotta do it, we gotta find it,
Speaker 4: we gotta do it. That's all that mattered to me.
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about nothing else, none of that use,
Speaker 4: none of that shit matter, even to the song go
Speaker 4: No One Cool. It went number one. They want to
Speaker 4: know if we could do it again, right, so you
Speaker 4: got it bad came out eighty seven oh one, popping
Speaker 4: whatever whatever, And then it's time to make USh a
Speaker 4: new album, right, which confessions and me and us should
Speaker 4: go to LA's house and we pull up to la
Speaker 4: house and we have I think we did. We started,
Speaker 4: we made a song and we go in there and
Speaker 4: play the song for him and he's like, nah, this
Speaker 4: ain't it. And he was like He's like, Usha, you're
Speaker 4: not You're not interesting enough. Like people, they don't care
Speaker 4: about you till your album come out. And when your
Speaker 4: album come out, that's when people care about you. Then
Speaker 4: when the songs go away, you go away. Y'all need
Speaker 4: to write something that's interesting that make people want to
Speaker 4: think about you. Things like you need to get a
Speaker 4: girlfriend or something. He said, all kind of wold shit.
Speaker 4: I'm just sitting there listening, like, damn, the man I
Speaker 4: just told this nigga he not interesting. He just sold
Speaker 4: like five million records. Cool, But I also understand what
Speaker 4: he's saying. I also understand, like, Yo, you know, you
Speaker 4: make a record, the promotion got you popping, But that
Speaker 4: it's that in between ship. People don't know who USh is.
Speaker 4: People don't they don't, they don't. They don't connect with
Speaker 4: you as like doing some regular ship and this you
Speaker 4: know rappers is coming out. You see the rappers doing.
Speaker 4: It's more reality type of thing, and we go back
Speaker 4: to the studio. We both like fucked up. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this man just told us, man to his face, you're
Speaker 4: not interesting enough. And when I heard him saying, my
Speaker 4: mind start trying to figure out what can I write
Speaker 4: to make this nigga interesting? What can I do to
Speaker 4: make him interest? How do we make this nigga interesting
Speaker 4: through music? So I'm on more like it's like, yo,
Speaker 4: you should get it. You should you know, start dating
Speaker 4: the hot girl, find it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I mean to do some ship that's like more internet driven.
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about the music. There's no way in hell, right,
Speaker 4: So we start trying to work on the records, and
Speaker 4: then he tells me that the girl that he was
Speaker 4: dating it's over with, but it's feels like it's burning
Speaker 4: his soul. Like, man, feels like it's burning me burning.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a burning feeling that I have.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, what I'm thinking, like nigga burning.
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, I come through, bring your penicilin wherever your need.
Speaker 4: So he's saying this, that's the first thing coming to
Speaker 4: my mind. I'm like burning. He's like, yeah, man, make
Speaker 4: something that got that burning in there. Say something about
Speaker 4: me burning or something like this. And I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 4: I don't even know where this nigga at with this ship.
Speaker 4: I don't know what we're at with this. I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't. I ain't never felt the burning feeling, right,
Speaker 4: I'm not. I can't get into them that space. He like,
Speaker 4: I gotta go say, he runs out the studio. He
Speaker 4: left me with the burn an idea, and I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to flip the word to me and many things.
Speaker 4: I'm writing sentences to see what make it sound like
Speaker 4: it's cool, like burn. I don't know how this was
Speaker 4: gonna work. And then it just hit me I was like,
Speaker 4: let it burn, let it burn, Like right, so I
Speaker 4: start I get it. I'm like, yeah, I got it,
Speaker 4: I got it. He come back to the studio, he listened.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, cool. We were on a rail
Speaker 4: to this new album.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 4: Then the next day he comes and say, man, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't think we should work in Atlanta. And I'm
Speaker 4: superstitious about leaving Alana, right right, and I just got
Speaker 4: my studio, just the new studio. We just got the
Speaker 4: new stud You want to go somewhere else. He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: we should go to La. Man, y'all should come out
Speaker 4: to La and we should do it. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 4: I'm like, we just got lety Bron. Let's let's go. Nah,
Speaker 4: I'm too distracted in Atlanta. I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 4: I come out here, me and Brian comes here us.
Speaker 4: Should we meet him at Brandon's Way? And we don't
Speaker 4: really know what we're doing, right? We just in there
Speaker 4: rush once again. He come in, he say whatever, he say,
Speaker 4: he got ideas. Whatever he leaves, I'm like, ship Broun,
Speaker 4: we got La told his nigga. He wasn't he wasn't interesting.
Speaker 4: We got to start trying to make some music that
Speaker 4: that feel like. We gotta make him interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know how what that's supposed to sound like,
Speaker 4: but I'm just like, we gotta make something. This gotta
Speaker 4: feel like. People got to you gotta have some kind
Speaker 4: of little drumma to it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So my homeboy used to be saying all bad. He
Speaker 4: was like, man, that's all bad. This ship all bad,
Speaker 4: everything all bad. So I'm like, all bad. Everything that
Speaker 4: I've been doing is all bad. I got a chick
Speaker 4: on the side with the crib and the ride. I've
Speaker 4: been telling you so many lives ain't nothing good. It's
Speaker 4: all bad. I just want to confess I've been doing
Speaker 4: it so long. They put the beat up, let's go
Speaker 4: till Brian started playing the chords. I'm like, I got it.
Speaker 4: You start doing everything it's all bad. I got a
Speaker 4: chick on the side of the crib and the rider
Speaker 4: telling you so many lines ain't nothing good, It's all bad.
Speaker 4: I got the hook, and then I wanted to be
Speaker 4: a writer, so I said I write his block. You
Speaker 4: know that's bullshit, rights block to some bush but niggas
Speaker 4: that right, they said, just as like a way to
Speaker 4: get away from the song. You't you don't really have
Speaker 4: writers you right, You can just write about anything you
Speaker 4: want to. It might not sound good, but you still
Speaker 4: can write, right. You don't just have complete block. Right,
Speaker 4: So I said, I have writer's block. I'm like, Brian,
Speaker 4: just give me, give me the burn the CD. I
Speaker 4: got my Lamborghini out here in l A. Right, I'm
Speaker 4: like ship, I'm gonna get ready, I'm standing, I'm staying
Speaker 4: a malleable. Yeah, I'm good. I get I get to get.
Speaker 4: I put the CD in the in the car and
Speaker 4: I'm going down Beverly and I'm thinking about Kais. I
Speaker 4: don't know why I'm thinking about k but I'm thinking
Speaker 4: about k And I'm thinking about the movie Usual Suspects.
Speaker 4: And Kazoose was in the when he went to the jail.
Speaker 4: He looked around the room and he made a story
Speaker 4: up of everything he saw. It was on the wall,
Speaker 4: and he made all the shit just go. He figured
Speaker 4: out how to make everything that he saw in that
Speaker 4: room work to his story. And I'm driving and I'm like, shit,
Speaker 4: I might try to do that. Let me shot this.
Speaker 4: Let's try this kizosose shit and I stop it to
Speaker 4: light and I'm like, every time I was in La,
Speaker 4: I'm with my ex girlfriend. Every time you call up
Speaker 4: to your baby, I'm running. No, I was not doing
Speaker 4: my work. Oh think about you getting hurt. I was
Speaker 4: hand in hand in the Beverly Center. It's right there.
Speaker 1: Damn yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh. If I wouldn't have been here, none of them
Speaker 4: words would have been in that song. I would have
Speaker 4: never been in La. I was here in La. I'm
Speaker 4: writing the song as I'm seeing what's going on, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And this verse, this verse goes
Speaker 4: to all bad. This this, this verse goes to the
Speaker 4: all bad song. It's not even Confessions yet. This is
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I'm writing this to
Speaker 4: everything that I've been doing this all bad. This is
Speaker 4: the first verse of all Bad. I told them niggas
Speaker 4: I had writer's block. But by the time I passed
Speaker 4: the Beverly Center, I had the whole verse doing. I
Speaker 4: was ready to go back to the studio. They had left.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, God, damn, now I gotta wait till
Speaker 4: tomorrow to try to cut the ship. But I'm singing
Speaker 4: this ship all the way down. P. H, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: I'm writing the whole song all the way down. P
Speaker 4: I'm flying, but I'm listening and I'm saying, I got
Speaker 4: it this ship right here, so come back tell us
Speaker 4: hear it? Yeah, we're fucking with it? Cool, all right?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: But what happened after that? That's what he say. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what do you mean, woul happened after that?
Speaker 1: In the movie?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, what's gonna happened after you? You know, you
Speaker 4: got to check on the side what happened with it?
Speaker 4: And just so happened that my real life, my real life,
Speaker 4: this is happening.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I got a girl pregnant, and I had to tell
Speaker 4: my girlfriend that I had a girl at the time.
Speaker 4: I had to tell my girlfriend at the time that
Speaker 4: I got a girl pregnant that I barely even knew, right,
Speaker 4: And I called my homeboy and I'm like, Yo, how
Speaker 4: do I tell my girl this? He's like, you gotta
Speaker 4: call her and tell her. I'm like, shit, now, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna just lead on answer machine. I'm calling. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: just call and leave it on answer machine. So I
Speaker 4: called her. I left a message on answer ma sin
Speaker 4: she called me back. She wanted to know all the
Speaker 4: information about it. What, how, what? And I'm just like,
Speaker 4: I'm fucked up. I'm actually not even thinking about the
Speaker 4: song no more. I'm just asking I'm in this real life.
Speaker 4: So then Usher and Mark come to the studio and
Speaker 4: they're like, man, we gotta make part two of this.
Speaker 4: It's gotta what's gonna happen? The girl gotta get pregnant.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, I know this too well, this
Speaker 4: is too this is too easy, Like this story. You
Speaker 4: really want me to say this? It's like, yeah, what
Speaker 4: is the story? And I'm like, okay, these are my confession.
Speaker 4: Just when I thought I said all like I said,
Speaker 4: the chick on the side say she got one on
Speaker 4: the way. Man, I'm throwing and I don't know what
Speaker 4: to do. I guess I gotta give y'all part two, My.
Speaker 7: Confessions, part two because they asked for a part too.
Speaker 4: Because they asked for a part two, Yep, we wouldn't
Speaker 4: even made that that song. Confessions would have never came
Speaker 4: out if they didn't ask for a part two. The
Speaker 4: song was all bad, that's what then? What the song was?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's on that's what's on the album It's
Speaker 4: All Bad, which but I say, I confess I've been
Speaker 4: doing you so wrong. I say it in that song.
Speaker 4: So that's how it became. Like that's when I start
Speaker 4: connecting it, like these are my confessions. I just took
Speaker 4: that part from that song and put it into that.
Speaker 4: But it was like this was and by the way,
Speaker 4: this is a remix of All Bad basically of a
Speaker 4: song that nobody ever heard. It never worked, like these
Speaker 4: records never came out.
Speaker 1: We just made were already on the part two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we made part two before the song even came out.
Speaker 5: And that's how you get the number one on be
Speaker 5: a Record of the Century. That's how you get that
Speaker 5: because congratulations on that too.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking give me yeah.
Speaker 3: But it's the life in the song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you gotta live writer, You gotta gotta
Speaker 5: live writer.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna.
Speaker 7: Always be pretty. That's always my advice. Just write your life.
Speaker 7: There's gotta be something going on. Don't make it too
Speaker 7: hard on yourself.
Speaker 4: And going on, get something something that you're not interesting
Speaker 4: lining up. I mean, it's a bunch of things that
Speaker 4: went into Confessions. Him telling us that usher, telling me
Speaker 4: about the burning thing we getting to l A like
Speaker 4: I said, it was just like and then them asking
Speaker 4: for part two of All Bad, like, what's the continuation
Speaker 4: of this song? We gotta make a continuation of this song.
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, well, I know this story
Speaker 4: pretty fast. Let's just start coming out like this like
Speaker 4: clock like super you're talking that. I think I wrote
Speaker 4: that song in like five minutes.
Speaker 5: I never forget coming to Atlanta, flying in to go
Speaker 5: see my partners care, going up to hit Cole him
Speaker 5: playing me Byron and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Nigga, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 5: Like yeah, nigga, this is this that ship Nigga, Nigga jad
Speaker 5: and that's your back here, nigga.
Speaker 4: You know it's that ship all the time telling you nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, when are you coming out? He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: this ain't the single though, I said, what what what?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Nigga?
Speaker 1: I've heard everything I need to hear. You're out of here.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a single too, by the way,
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, this is the single. L A l
Speaker 4: As like, Nah, that ain't a single. I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: this nigga's different. This niggas different.
Speaker 5: But it's it's continuous chess is y'all. He's he's setting
Speaker 5: the chess board in a certain way. He because as
Speaker 5: an executive, you have to be able to see something
Speaker 5: that the creatives maybe don't fully see yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, it ain't my label. So I
Speaker 4: just start falling back like this your label. I just
Speaker 4: making music. You do what you want to do it
Speaker 4: that's what you feel like, then cool. When I saw
Speaker 4: the track listing for for Confessions, he took All Bad
Speaker 4: off the album.
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, how did it make sense?
Speaker 4: I'm like, people don't even gonna know about the first
Speaker 4: part of the song. I don't care about the first
Speaker 4: part of the song. This is the song. So then
Speaker 4: they shot the video for it, and they put the
Speaker 4: first verse from All Bad at the beginning of part
Speaker 4: two video. So then they made the song go like this,
Speaker 4: that verse is not in that song.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Don't say that man put that on something, put that
Speaker 7: on something.
Speaker 1: He was in full Michael Muther.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that whole we did all that here in
Speaker 4: LA call and oh that's a real phone call. Oh
Speaker 4: and yeah, l A scraped LA didn't put all bad
Speaker 4: on the first release of Confessions, so all people heard
Speaker 4: was Confessions Too. And I thought that was crazy because
Speaker 4: I'm like, we sang in the song I'm gonna give
Speaker 4: you Part two, we have part one, but it didn't
Speaker 4: make it.
Speaker 7: Is it accidental genius that you end up having to
Speaker 7: circle back to it and and that is now new
Speaker 7: interest in a re release or even in the video
Speaker 7: for that matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy to think of it like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it worked work.
Speaker 4: It worked like the Star Wars thing, like the Star Wars,
Speaker 4: like the way they wrote Star Wars backwards backwards, right,
Speaker 4: So it's like the same type of mentality.
Speaker 7: And well, the first was that on you don't you
Speaker 7: don't have to call what the first single from that one.
Speaker 4: No, you don't have to call Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I always called to me, I always called that sugar
Speaker 5: on the vegetables. Right, It's like when you have kids.
Speaker 5: We all got kids, how do you get your kids
Speaker 5: to eat vegetables?
Speaker 3: Something?
Speaker 1: You gotta give them something sweeter.
Speaker 5: You got to give them something with it that makes
Speaker 5: them take in the ship that they need. And that's
Speaker 5: how I looked at the body of work of Confessions.
Speaker 5: Was the ship that the world needed from an R
Speaker 5: and B artist? I felt like, yeah, it was the Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 1: The dangling carrot.
Speaker 5: I want the world to come in and now y'all
Speaker 5: getting this ship though, Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was the only thing like that on the album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it actually doesn't matter the album.
Speaker 3: But it's was a hell of a commercial.
Speaker 1: It made everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a super Bowl times an.
Speaker 1: Amazing record, amazing record, but it does not the album.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what it does, but it don't.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, had nothing.
Speaker 4: To do with the confession.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because the rest of that is like, is that
Speaker 7: like the party after I get done?
Speaker 1: It's core R and B.
Speaker 3: Yes, not core R and B.
Speaker 4: Yes, new R and B.
Speaker 3: Everything else is core.
Speaker 5: R from the records that you did, the records that
Speaker 5: Draanva Dow did, Jimmy Jim Taylor, Like, this is an
Speaker 5: R and B R and B album and yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like what the fuck? Yeah, like you said, it's the commercial.
Speaker 5: Let's bringing everybody in. It's the shock value.
Speaker 4: It's definitely shock value on a hold on left.
Speaker 7: I'm so angry whatever you was, because it's like SnO competing.
Speaker 7: I had done my little Dirty South record with cash money.
Speaker 7: I was like R and B Dirty South collapse. I'm
Speaker 7: about to kill him. Ship out to go.
Speaker 4: Crazy, dud, he said, dud, dud get himself.
Speaker 7: Like Paul, You like a thug, drinks up in the
Speaker 7: sky like thugs.
Speaker 2: No sparkle, no sparkle, spark nobody ain't nobody run from
Speaker 2: That's what problem problem.
Speaker 1: Fresh told me.
Speaker 3: I was sweet, though, Fresh, like you have fun?
Speaker 1: Do you that ship?
Speaker 4: Nigga?
Speaker 3: You're killing that ship. The baby came around, so I said, nigga,
Speaker 3: you can't tell.
Speaker 1: Me the same.
Speaker 7: That wasn't that I needed you, j What were you say?
Speaker 4: I went to call and say, did anybody look like
Speaker 4: they liked that song?
Speaker 7: And then that song came out and I'm in the
Speaker 7: I'm in the club on the Breer in Hollywood? What
Speaker 7: did they call that club? Then eating my Heart?
Speaker 8: Okay boom, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I.
Speaker 7: Don't think I had a good time that night. Fucking
Speaker 7: ever for everybody, nigga, yeah, everybody. Sorry, there's too much.
Speaker 7: There's too much. How do you feel about because you're
Speaker 7: like you're always you the cool nigga that people that
Speaker 7: you guys see it. It's always you. It's never too high,
Speaker 7: it's never too low. Nigga come like nigga, got no
Speaker 7: more record. That's that's that's that, that's dope. Thank you
Speaker 7: appreciate it. It's this, how do you feel about being?
Speaker 7: First of all, you're one of two in the Hall
Speaker 7: of Fame, But what's you're what you've accomplished in music?
Speaker 7: You're you're one of you were one of one. How
Speaker 7: do you feel about that? Do you feel like you
Speaker 7: can bang on your chest at times and appreciate yourself?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Because the people that idolized they did more with less.
Speaker 1: Hm m hmm.
Speaker 4: Explain that Motown, you know what I mean? Barry took
Speaker 4: with eight hundred dollars from a bank and made more
Speaker 4: Town eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the equivalent to.
Speaker 4: A lot, even eight hundred dollars. There's a lot of thousand,
Speaker 4: eight hundred dollars, borrow money, borrow money, put all of
Speaker 4: these writers and people inside this house, has mother cooking
Speaker 4: the food, and made everybody sitting there. And he made
Speaker 4: Molte Town records with.
Speaker 1: Things that were just connected to his block too.
Speaker 7: Though, Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with it.
Speaker 7: I'm not even gonna say, but I just want to say,
Speaker 7: you wrote and produced and then performed Breg Gordy did
Speaker 7: with Breg Gordy? Did you my friend? Were you were
Speaker 7: Smokey Robinson, you were also whatever band he called in
Speaker 7: to do the instrumentation, and then you were also Barry Gordy. Again,
Speaker 7: I respect, I respect your answer, but only you. No,
Speaker 7: not just rap.
Speaker 5: And rmy and army and pop and pop bro, like
Speaker 5: the things that you've done in this in this business.
Speaker 5: Once again, you've been the first to us. You know, listen,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm all.
Speaker 1: I'm with all this.
Speaker 5: I'm with all our arguments. Axon argue all they want to.
Speaker 5: You can't argue with me about Jermaine Dupris. That's why
Speaker 5: we want you on this show so bad, bro, because
Speaker 5: you are that important to us, and it bothers me.
Speaker 1: That you don't get as much credit as you deserve.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you care about it or not.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about me caring about it and somebody who
Speaker 5: love this shit that we all do, that we give
Speaker 5: our lives.
Speaker 4: To yeah, I mean I have I have come to
Speaker 4: the realization of why that is.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 4: When you don't have a two then the people don't
Speaker 4: have no conversation about it. Right, So it's not like
Speaker 4: you just said, it's not another Jermaine Dupre in the
Speaker 4: music industry, not today, and it wasn't you know before.
Speaker 4: So then when people like try to you, you know,
Speaker 4: like everybody always tried to pit me against Puff. That's
Speaker 4: the person that they thought was the closest to me. Right,
Speaker 4: I've been telling niggas the whole time. Me and Puff
Speaker 4: is not alike. Like, you know, he don't write songs.
Speaker 4: I write songs. He don't do He don't make the beats.
Speaker 4: He don't do half of the shit that I do.
Speaker 4: He's a great producer in the mentality of how he
Speaker 4: here music. But that's the only person that people have
Speaker 4: ever pitted against me.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: They ain't never put Rodney Jerkins against me, They ain't
Speaker 4: never put none of these other guys. Puff is the
Speaker 4: guy that they said JD trying to be like Puff,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, they try to put us
Speaker 4: against each other, and I just start realizing, like if
Speaker 4: it's if you only got one person and they ain't
Speaker 4: really no other person that they can compare to. Then
Speaker 4: they not even gonna have the conversation. They're just gonna start.
Speaker 4: They gonna just like not even talk about you, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like I've seen what y'all did
Speaker 4: with la he had him and Face Jimmy Terry. Right,
Speaker 4: it's one and two, like you get go here, you
Speaker 4: go there, you can go here, go there. When you
Speaker 4: come see me, whatever you get after that ain't gonna
Speaker 4: be like what you get from me. It just ain't.
Speaker 4: It ain't gonna be like that. And I think that's
Speaker 4: what I think. That's why people people have It's not
Speaker 4: a lot of that going on in the world where
Speaker 4: you only have one. And I just that's just what
Speaker 4: it is. And I realized this when I went into
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame, because the Hall of Fame is
Speaker 4: a writers for the last forty years or even longer,
Speaker 4: maybe fifty years of writing. And I'm looking at all
Speaker 4: these writers and I'm like, you know what, I'm different.
Speaker 4: And that's the first time it dawned on me that
Speaker 4: I was different. Because Babyface don't got no number one
Speaker 4: rap song. Jimmy Jamey Terry Lewis don't have no number
Speaker 4: one rap song, La REI don't have no number one
Speaker 4: rap song, right. I have number one rap songs right,
Speaker 4: not alone these R and B records. I got number
Speaker 4: one rap songs that Quincy never had. Quincy, you know,
Speaker 4: he never had number one rap song, like you said,
Speaker 4: Berry Gordy never had no they never had number one
Speaker 4: rap song. So that's what That's the day that I realized, Oh,
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm trying to be like them, but I'm
Speaker 4: actually different. Right, That's the first time it hit me.
Speaker 4: So it took a long time for me to even
Speaker 4: realize that, you know what I mean, Like because I
Speaker 4: just put all of it together. I never paid no
Speaker 4: attention to it. But like you know, he ain't got
Speaker 4: no pulling me back. He ain't got you know, that's
Speaker 4: a number one record with Chingy and Tyrese, right, they
Speaker 4: don't got them songs. That's why I kept saying, like
Speaker 4: when niggas was like me doing versus, I'm like y'all, niggas,
Speaker 4: I get it, y'all think that y'all know what's going on.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying I'm gonna start pulling out records that
Speaker 4: you ain't even you're not even really bringing it too,
Speaker 4: you know, you're not even thinking about it. No talk shit,
Speaker 4: it's not like that. It's just like people leave it out.
Speaker 4: It's like you just leaving the stuff out, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like that's what this space is for.
Speaker 4: What they're talking ship.
Speaker 7: This space is to let motherfuckers know. In case you
Speaker 7: didn't know, y'all must have forgotten y'all.
Speaker 1: Now y'all know what it is.
Speaker 4: Yes, now y'all know what it is. Yeah, No, for real,
Speaker 4: It's like it's not It's not a bunch of people
Speaker 4: that first one hundred writers talk right, and then writing
Speaker 4: the whole concept of song, then producing the song. That's
Speaker 4: just not happening.
Speaker 1: It's not happening. So back to my one of one.
Speaker 3: I take that.
Speaker 4: I take it.
Speaker 1: That isn't here are your money? We write is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 5: It's always happen before we had this platform. You know
Speaker 5: that studios niggas started talking about this.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you made the pre dog.
Speaker 4: By the way, you got it bad. I told the
Speaker 4: story before you got it bad. It was like a
Speaker 4: battle between me and Rodney Jerkins because I think I
Speaker 4: don't know Rodney and Michael was in the studio during
Speaker 4: Your Rock My World and me and Usher was Usher
Speaker 4: and Brown. I mean, yeah, he's doing you got it bad?
Speaker 4: And Michael called to the studio or something like that.
Speaker 4: They called to the studio and they was like, what
Speaker 4: y'all over there doing?
Speaker 1: Michael called to the studio and that's what y'all doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Him and Rodney Jerkins, they was on the phone
Speaker 4: like some had some kind of way this happened. I
Speaker 4: don't know why it happened, but he called. They called
Speaker 4: the studio. Yeah, and I put on a speakerphone right
Speaker 4: because Usher was there so you could hear it. And Uh,
Speaker 4: Rodney was like, what y'all over there working on? Michael's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: what y'all working on? And uh I said, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm doing Usher and the nigga Michael said, who?
Speaker 4: Usher's on the speaker for him, And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this niggas thirty. This nigga just said who? You know
Speaker 4: the fuck Usher is?
Speaker 1: Nigga? Right right?
Speaker 4: Mike knew everything that was going and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: He's like who, And I'm like, did he just say?
Speaker 6: Who?
Speaker 1: Said?
Speaker 4: I got mad? I'm mad as a month I'm mad
Speaker 4: for usher, right, I'm like right, he man, fuck this ship.
Speaker 4: We got a song right now that's better than your
Speaker 4: whole album. Yeah, I'm just I just shot my gun.
Speaker 4: But you got it bad as I'm sitting on you
Speaker 4: got it bad? Yeah, and you know I was. I
Speaker 4: was that that. That's what fueled me that day, Like, man,
Speaker 4: I gotta that's all. I'm just fueled by, like the competition.
Speaker 4: You know, social death is created because you death. But
Speaker 4: I'm so so much definitely, that's how the company, that's
Speaker 4: where the name comes from. It's like, it's about the competition.
Speaker 1: I like that. I love it. I love it. I
Speaker 1: like that a lot.
Speaker 4: It's just about I'm just about competition. I'm into the
Speaker 4: competitive nature of making music and the fight of it.
Speaker 4: Like let's go, let's see what, let's get in, let's
Speaker 4: do it, let's get in the ring.
Speaker 5: Then you've had all the success, right, And I mean
Speaker 5: I know the answer to it because you said it's
Speaker 5: the competitive nature. But for you then to say, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm gonna make some new R and B
Speaker 5: for y'all too. I'm gonna go in with our Lennox.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make this pressure after I going with our Lennox,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go in with money loan, and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: make this made for me. Like, the ship does not stop.
Speaker 5: Bro Like, when people say, oh, well a person can
Speaker 5: only do this for so long, they were not talking
Speaker 5: about Germaine Dupris at all, especially in urban music.
Speaker 1: You know this.
Speaker 5: It started off with you being too young but at
Speaker 5: a certain at a certain stage, and this business is, oh,
Speaker 5: this is you can't do it, way too old, and
Speaker 5: you proved them wrong in both spaces. You did not
Speaker 5: stop making hit records, bro Like, you have current records
Speaker 5: right now made for me.
Speaker 1: It just literally held the year in the choo.
Speaker 4: Yeah we won that Grammy too, Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: Come on, bro Like, and and what's that thirty years
Speaker 5: since your first hit?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Insane, insane, insane.
Speaker 4: But I mean, like I said, I just I just
Speaker 4: don't get into the I don't get into I understand
Speaker 4: that one hit record only pushes people to ask you
Speaker 4: if you could do it again, So therefore I never
Speaker 4: get into the success of records. I just get into
Speaker 4: the Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: You know how many hit records you have? No?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, and like I said, this year. This
Speaker 4: is the year that I've really just been paying more
Speaker 4: attention to it. So when I DJ, I've been trying
Speaker 4: to like when I do these R and B parties,
Speaker 4: and so I have a different set than anybody. I
Speaker 4: don't do it just because I'm trying to be cocky.
Speaker 4: I just be like, you know, you got a bunch
Speaker 4: of DJ's doing sets. You be trying to figure out like, oh,
Speaker 4: this nigga just played the record. I was gonna play
Speaker 4: God damn, so now you got to you don't right
Speaker 4: back there trying to figure out my playlist because this
Speaker 4: nigga just played the record. I wanted to play my
Speaker 4: first set, right, So I started saying, Man, fuck the ship.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just play my music. It's all R and B.
Speaker 4: I could do R and B records for the whole hour, right,
Speaker 4: we could do. I could do my own R and
Speaker 4: B records for a whole hour. And I just tell
Speaker 4: the DJ, don't play no Jermaine the pre records. That's
Speaker 4: gonna be my records. You can play everything else R
Speaker 4: and B you want to, just don't touch my my
Speaker 4: my little ship.
Speaker 1: And I still have a full set.
Speaker 4: And then I come out and I just play all
Speaker 4: my records.
Speaker 1: I was there. Turn that my fuck up. Played all
Speaker 1: his records. They all work, They all work.
Speaker 5: Congratulations, Thank you, congratulations mans.
Speaker 1: I had him him up in the back of the kitchen.
Speaker 1: My week man, I need my week man.
Speaker 4: Man, come on, you gotta see he gotta really, you
Speaker 4: gotta come.
Speaker 1: You got you gotta come to it. You ain't welcome
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, man.
Speaker 4: You want to come do it.
Speaker 3: You ain't got to convince me.
Speaker 1: I don't do it.
Speaker 4: I say, you know, I know, I know, but I'm saying,
Speaker 4: you know, you know he you know he he are.
Speaker 5: You're thespian now though you know what I'm saying like
Speaker 5: he's on Broadway now, congratulations.
Speaker 1: This is my hand shake.
Speaker 7: Got to grab think that's your new that's my new one.
Speaker 7: That's my Broadway.
Speaker 2: No, he bro, if we learned anything from Maine to Prie,
Speaker 2: stay on, bro, don't give nobody the double as hand
Speaker 2: shake to me earlier he gave you.
Speaker 1: He walked in. He ain't to me. What is this bullship?
Speaker 4: Great? That's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: What is it? Hell's kitchen? Alicia ke Alicia Ki sh
Speaker 1: what's up? Incredible? Ye incredible?
Speaker 5: I'm brother on Broadway Man every day huh, I wanted
Speaker 5: three times a week.
Speaker 7: No, every day, every day e stuff on Monday, eight
Speaker 7: shows a week.
Speaker 4: Yeah them vocals? Right?
Speaker 1: What you went? What is it? Emmy or Tony? Okay?
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah yeah the least to work on Award nominees
Speaker 7: and the director Tony Award Like it's a thing.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's a real thing. Have you seen it?
Speaker 4: Nah? I didn't even think about that. Like right now
Speaker 4: with you back to your question that you asked me about,
Speaker 4: do I ever think about And I'm like no. Last
Speaker 4: night I was watching the Oscars and they was playing
Speaker 4: all Quincy music, as you know, all the songs that
Speaker 4: was in the Oscars was all Quincy's the soundtrack of
Speaker 4: Quincy Jones. And I was just thinking to myself, like
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think I hit that mark yet.
Speaker 4: Like if I passed, they ain't gonna do that for me.
Speaker 4: So my my challenging life now is to try to
Speaker 4: get to that space. I don't know about that, brother,
Speaker 4: not the Oscars, the Oscars soul training towards Maybe.
Speaker 1: Grammy's better do it.
Speaker 4: Grammy might give me a little they might give me.
Speaker 4: They might give me a little space. But I'm saying
Speaker 4: I want right now, I want. I'm saying that Oscar
Speaker 4: look to just be like but he also scored movies too,
Speaker 4: Yeah he did, he did. That's what I'm saying that
Speaker 4: this is what I'm talking about, final front tier for
Speaker 4: j D. I gotta get to it. So that's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. It's not I still I still see so
Speaker 4: much stuff that I haven't done that I need to do.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm thinking about.
Speaker 5: Hey, Ryan Coogler, Uh, come on now, you from the
Speaker 5: crib area, niggas man listen taping with JD.
Speaker 4: Bro Let me do the whole soundtrack.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, watch ship.
Speaker 5: You know you got the movie Theater with the with
Speaker 5: the Rose Royce Uh yeah and all that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me do it. Let me do I promise
Speaker 4: you I get it right. I never did it because but.
Speaker 2: Everything I ever cand me, if you've never done it before,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I won't try to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I won't figure it out.