Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Josh and in this week's s Y
Speaker 1: s K Select, I chose our listical episode on cases
Speaker 1: of people with really bad luck. And as we explained,
Speaker 1: we're being pretty broad with the concept of luck here,
Speaker 1: but I'm hoping you'll forgive us and enjoy the episode anyway,
Speaker 1: because it's pretty interesting and entertaining. It's terestaining. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles
Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. And this is
Speaker 1: stuff you should know about people who have really bad
Speaker 1: luck to nine of them. Yeah, we can't. I don't
Speaker 1: think we've ever done a full top ten list? Have
Speaker 1: we that that that should be our last episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like stuff you should know. It as ten biggest regrets. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Yeah, that'll be the last one.
Speaker 1: All right, let's write that down. There's no, we don't
Speaker 1: have ten regrets. Yeah, I guess we couldn't do a
Speaker 1: full time Actually, we could probably come up with ten. No,
Speaker 1: we couldn't. Vidcan number one. That's a big one. This
Speaker 1: intro is definitely up there. To number two. See we're
Speaker 1: on our way al right, Um, how are you feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good? I'm great. Do you feel lucky? Punk, I'm
Speaker 1: a pretty lucky person, and I will say that I
Speaker 1: would agree with that fortune. My friends have called me
Speaker 1: the rabbit's foot over the years. Yep, that's why they
Speaker 1: I was rubbing you, but that's that's mainly for narrowly
Speaker 1: escaping trouble more than anything. How about a story, Chuck
Speaker 1: lay it on us? Oh? Just I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I was very famous among my group of friends for
Speaker 1: getting pulled over by police and not getting tickets. I mean,
Speaker 1: at one point, it was it had literally happened like
Speaker 1: fourteen times in a row or something over a span
Speaker 1: of like ten or twelve years. It happened a lot
Speaker 1: that I never and I didn't get my first ticket
Speaker 1: until geez, probably my thirties, mid thirties. How did you
Speaker 1: have what happened? Did you talk your way out of it?
Speaker 1: Or yeah? You know what you do? Man? And my
Speaker 1: brother always gets a ticket and he's much nicer than
Speaker 1: I am. But you just got to be as humble, humble, humble, humble,
Speaker 1: humble as you can be. And if you show the
Speaker 1: slightest bit of attitude, then that police officer, in my experience,
Speaker 1: will delight in writing you that ticket. I mean, even
Speaker 1: it's if it's a sideways look and I basically just
Speaker 1: throw myselves at the mercy of the court on the
Speaker 1: side of the road. I'm like, I'm so sorry, officer,
Speaker 1: I you are you should have pulled me over. You
Speaker 1: did the right thing. I was wrong, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: There's no excuse here's I was gonna eat these French fries,
Speaker 1: but you should take them. You're the hero here. I
Speaker 1: think they're always a little disarmed and they're like, oh ohoh, okay,
Speaker 1: well I guess I can letch off of the warning.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's been my experience. All right, there's
Speaker 1: chuck advice right there. So you get out of fourteen tickets?
Speaker 1: So did you forget to the last fifteen time? Did
Speaker 1: you forget? Did you sneer call them a pig? What? No?
Speaker 1: I think it was just one of those things where
Speaker 1: like they were writing the ticket even before I had
Speaker 1: a chance to do my little song and dance, and
Speaker 1: they brought me the ticket, and I was kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't you know who I am I'm
Speaker 1: the guy that gets out of tickets. Oh, I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna say, I'm chuck from stuff. You should
Speaker 1: know that means nothing. That's how you that's how you
Speaker 1: get out of them these days, buddy. Well, um, we're
Speaker 1: talking today about some people who have very bad luck.
Speaker 1: And you know, like a lot of these lists usually
Speaker 1: are just like, uh, no to this one, no to
Speaker 1: that one, No, this is wrong. Um. I think we
Speaker 1: tried to do a list once where like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one it was, but like every
Speaker 1: single entry was just like just false. Right. That's only
Speaker 1: the case with like three of these this time, which
Speaker 1: I'm pretty that's not a bad batting average for realistical Yeah,
Speaker 1: and some of these are the word luck kind of
Speaker 1: bothers me sometimes, because as is the case, we'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and get to the first one. Ron Wayne, who
Speaker 1: was one of the original three partners of Apple Computers.
Speaker 1: That's not bad luck. Ron Wayne made a board business decision.
Speaker 1: Have you. Uh, that's a good point. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of Ron Wayne before? No? You No, I haven't,
Speaker 1: And had I heard his name, I would have been like,
Speaker 1: he sounds like porn actor, but he's not a porn actor.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was that was another guy. I can't
Speaker 1: say his real name though, who I demand that you
Speaker 1: say it. I'll tell you off Mike. Okay. So um.
Speaker 1: He turns out this guy was not a pornography actor.
Speaker 1: He was one of the three founders of Apple. And
Speaker 1: as far as I had known to this point, there
Speaker 1: were two founders of Apple. Turns out there were three
Speaker 1: at the beginning for like the first twelve days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so go back to six and way Back Machine and
Speaker 1: Nerdy Little Jobs and Nerdy Little Wozniak. Our young guys
Speaker 1: uh in their twenties, and they had this great uh
Speaker 1: they didn't know it at the time. Well they may
Speaker 1: have known it or suspected, but this this great vision
Speaker 1: for the future. But they were kind of kids and
Speaker 1: they didn't have any experience. So they looked to a
Speaker 1: guy named Ron Wayne who was in his forties, uh,
Speaker 1: to come in and kind of help what they called
Speaker 1: with adult supervision, because I mean, they were programmers from Atari.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they didn't have the actual business sense or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it was just a party job at the time,
Speaker 1: I believe so. But I had no idea how TORII
Speaker 1: produced Apple though, did you? Oh? Yeah, I did a
Speaker 1: bunch of Atari research stuff for my tech stuff guest
Speaker 1: spot Oh okay, cool, Yeah, we did a history of
Speaker 1: Atari two parter. Oh speaking of guest spots, man, let
Speaker 1: me just also give a shot out real quick. Sorry
Speaker 1: to interrupt this little entry, but I was on um
Speaker 1: our good friend John and go Forth and our new
Speaker 1: friend Brent's podcast Hysteria fifty one recently and nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about the Fermi paradox for like an hour
Speaker 1: and it was awesome. So go check that out, Hysteria
Speaker 1: fifty one, and go check out that out. Okay, so
Speaker 1: plug out right. So we're in nix uh ws and
Speaker 1: Jobs have recruited one Won Wayne Ron Wayne to be
Speaker 1: the adult in the room to help with engineering documentation.
Speaker 1: And it was actually Ron Wayne who uh who drafted
Speaker 1: the very first Apple contract and said, you know, this
Speaker 1: is what they agreed on. He did make it up,
Speaker 1: which said how much everyone is going to get? He
Speaker 1: got ten percent, two Jobs and Wosniacs. And he even
Speaker 1: created the first Apple logo, which was not the logo
Speaker 1: we know and loved now. It was a it was
Speaker 1: like a woodcut um style thing of Isaac Newton under
Speaker 1: the Apple tree. Not that sounds terrible. Yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think it sounds ugly. So, um, Ron Wayne the
Speaker 1: while he was there, he very quickly was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is my kind of place. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea. I like what these
Speaker 1: guys are doing. But this company in a garage, Steve
Speaker 1: Jobs keeps taking acid during the middle of business hours.
Speaker 1: Um did he really? Yeah? Steve Jobs thought he was
Speaker 1: pretty cool from what I understand. Um he Uh. Ron
Speaker 1: Wayne was like, I I don't I don't think I
Speaker 1: fit in here. Also, apparently he was worried that he
Speaker 1: was going to have to pony up for you know,
Speaker 1: whatever business debts they incurred. I think that was a
Speaker 1: big deal. And he was like, all right, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out because he was an adult and he was
Speaker 1: like I've got a house and like I'm a real
Speaker 1: adult human, Like they're gonna turn to me certainly when
Speaker 1: they do. So. He he cashed out in in twelve days,
Speaker 1: twelve days after they established their contract, and the contract
Speaker 1: um was kept by Ron Wayne. Actually we'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a second. But he cashed out for twenty
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars two d and thirty thousand, you say, no,
Speaker 1: two thousand, three hundred, which is still today worse less
Speaker 1: than like ten grand um. And he didn't even get
Speaker 1: it all at once. He got eight hundred right then,
Speaker 1: and then uh, he agreed to take fifteen hundred later.
Speaker 1: And that was seventy six, and in n Apple went
Speaker 1: public and everybody involved became an instant millionaire, and years
Speaker 1: later it hit the trillion dollar mark for valuation, and
Speaker 1: all the while Ron Wayne got to watch this company
Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow, and realized that he'd sold
Speaker 1: off ten percent of the steak in the company for
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Yeah, and apparently if he had held all
Speaker 1: those stocks, uh, he'd be worth close to a hundred
Speaker 1: billion dollars. So he he takes issue with that. He said,
Speaker 1: he probably lost out on tens of millions. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what like you can't since
Speaker 1: you can't go back and do it all over again,
Speaker 1: like Eddie Money says, Uh, I guess there's always the
Speaker 1: thing of like well, yeah, but he always maintains I
Speaker 1: would have gotten out after that before the big cash
Speaker 1: in anyway, probably, So I don't like to look at it.
Speaker 1: Is that sort of a loss, is what he tells
Speaker 1: himself basically, or else I would have gone totally insane
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Yeah, but he did apparently. Uh.
Speaker 1: He wrote a Facebook essay and said, I probably that
Speaker 1: would have been around in nineteen eighty and gotten some
Speaker 1: pretty good change, and and I think regrets it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, had he known that and everybody's going to
Speaker 1: become a millionaire in four years, he definitely would have
Speaker 1: hung in there. But he just it's hindsight, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the cherry on top here is pretty interesting though.
Speaker 1: He said. He kept that contract, that very first Apple
Speaker 1: contract that he drew up, and he kept it and
Speaker 1: he auctioned it off in the early nineties four how
Speaker 1: much five hundred somoleans five dollars and which happened. Not bad.
Speaker 1: It was just a piece of paper he had hanging around.
Speaker 1: Somebody turned around and auctioned it off years later in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven four almost one point six million.
Speaker 1: Poor Ron Wayne. Now that one's bad luck. I wonder
Speaker 1: what he did though with his life. He wrote essays
Speaker 1: on Facebook. I mean I Betty did okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess so, I mean Steve Jobs okay, but I doubt
Speaker 1: if you like, you know, got a got a low wage,
Speaker 1: hourly paying job. I don't know. He became Eddie Money's
Speaker 1: tour manager. Things worked out then, right, And every time
Speaker 1: any Money saying I want to go back into her
Speaker 1: down Ron Wayne's face. So, UM, I think we should
Speaker 1: move on. We're gonna leave Ron Wayne because my hat. Also,
Speaker 1: we should definitely tip our heads to anyone who faced
Speaker 1: adversity like this and was like as happened, yeah, and
Speaker 1: has had tipped to Ron Wayiam for that one. Um,
Speaker 1: and Hodges did not have that kind of experience. She
Speaker 1: is the only person, as far as anyone knows, the
Speaker 1: only human being in the history and recorded history of
Speaker 1: humanity to have been hit by a meteorite. I'm laughing
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't. Um. Well, actually she didn't get that hurt,
Speaker 1: so that's why I feel okay laughing. It's not like
Speaker 1: it fell on her head and killed her. It's November
Speaker 1: thirty four in Alabama and eight point five pound a meteorite,
Speaker 1: uh came through her roof, bounced off of a radio
Speaker 1: and hit her in the hip. Yeah. It makes you
Speaker 1: wonder like if if she had been you know where
Speaker 1: the radio was and this wasn't like a bounced like
Speaker 1: uh ricochet, Yeah, a ricochet. I mean, how much worse
Speaker 1: would things have been? Yeah? Probably dead. There's a I
Speaker 1: saw a picture I'm edit of her, just randomly. We
Speaker 1: had already picked this episode and started researching, and I
Speaker 1: saw a picture of her bruise on Reddit and it was, um,
Speaker 1: pretty nasty, pretty nicety, little bruise. But that was about
Speaker 1: as bad as it got physically. Um. So, she was
Speaker 1: laying on the couch, a meteorite came through her roof,
Speaker 1: hit her radio, hit her, and um she became almost
Speaker 1: immediately a media sensation because word got out very quickly
Speaker 1: that a woman had been struck by a meteorite, probably
Speaker 1: the first and only person ever. Yeah, and and that's
Speaker 1: super rare, Like it's rare. It's rare for a meteorite
Speaker 1: to fall just in an urban area where people live
Speaker 1: or suburban area where people live. Can I don't know
Speaker 1: if I would call Alabama urban. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's just not usual like usually meteorites, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of water on Earth. Usually they'll just land
Speaker 1: in the ocean somewhere. Um. So it's big news if
Speaker 1: a meteorite hits anywhere near pee, much less hitting a person. Right.
Speaker 1: There's a meteorologist named Michael Reynolds who told National Geographic
Speaker 1: get this. He said, you have a better chance of
Speaker 1: being hit by a tornado, bolt of lightning, and hurricane
Speaker 1: at the same time than you do a meteorite. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how he actually quantified that, but that's one
Speaker 1: of the better quotes I've read in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is where it gets this is just so
Speaker 1: America in USA is there was a court battle between
Speaker 1: her and her landlord because her landlord was like, that's
Speaker 1: my space rock because it's my house and she and
Speaker 1: and Hodges was like, no, that's my space rock because
Speaker 1: it hit me and the hip. And they went to
Speaker 1: court and Hodges actually won and got to keep that
Speaker 1: uh sadly ultimately valueless meteorite. Yes, she's she's settled. Actually,
Speaker 1: she ended up paying the landlord five bucks for the
Speaker 1: right to the rock. But by the time this was
Speaker 1: finally settled, two years later, they found out that nobody
Speaker 1: cared any longer. There was old news, so nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to buy the meteorite. And you might think, well, okay,
Speaker 1: it's not clear that anyone would ever wanted to buy
Speaker 1: the meteor right to begin with. Not true. They have
Speaker 1: a neighbor just down the road who had just the
Speaker 1: tiniest little piece of that space rock and sold it.
Speaker 1: At the time, this thing was a big media sensation
Speaker 1: and was able to buy a new house and a
Speaker 1: new car from the proceeds. So the Hodges were like, clearly,
Speaker 1: we've got the space rock, We're gonna cash in. We're
Speaker 1: gonna buy the state of Alabama with the proceeds. But
Speaker 1: two years later it was totally valueless, and Um and
Speaker 1: Hodges actually had just just kept taking turns for the
Speaker 1: worst and ended up dying in a nursing home at
Speaker 1: age forty nine after having a nervous breakdown from the
Speaker 1: the whole ordeal. It's very sad, um, but that meteorite
Speaker 1: is on display at the l bam A Museum of
Speaker 1: Natural History, and I hope that there is at least
Speaker 1: a small placard that memorializes her. Surely there is, right,
Speaker 1: I would, I would hope, so, yeah, which that that
Speaker 1: would be a nice thing after a string of bad luck,
Speaker 1: that's pretty bad luck. Should we take a break? I
Speaker 1: think we should? All right, We're gonna take a break
Speaker 1: and talk about the unluckiest person in the music industry
Speaker 1: right after this change. Chuck, Chuck, I have a tad
Speaker 1: bit of anxiety the Beatles. No, no, no, I have
Speaker 1: anxiety about this one, just because it's so rotten and rough.
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for this guy. Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Before the break, I called former first Beatles drummer, not
Speaker 1: former first, but former and first Beatles drummer Pete Best
Speaker 1: the unluckiest man of music. He's been called that. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's not true either. Pete Best didn't have bad luck.
Speaker 1: Pete Best didn't have good chops. Oh is that what
Speaker 1: it was? Yeah? So okay, wells okay, that's totally different.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: bad luck necessarily obviously didn't jibe with the group. But
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was like he had to walk
Speaker 1: around being like I have a terrible personality and that's
Speaker 1: why I'm not a Beatle or whatever. Now, well we'll
Speaker 1: get to that. So let's go back in time. Pete
Speaker 1: bess Uh in the very early days of the Beatles
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties when they were known as the
Speaker 1: Quarryman um his mom he was a drummer and his
Speaker 1: mom had the he owned something called the Kasbak Coffee
Speaker 1: Club in Liverpool. Cool and she was, she was and
Speaker 1: she was very like ahead of her time as far
Speaker 1: as um the Liverpool music scene very much out in
Speaker 1: front of it. So it's the kind of deal where like, well,
Speaker 1: pizza drummer and his mom owns a place where we
Speaker 1: can play. So he's in the band and it's good
Speaker 1: because now we got a place where we can dig
Speaker 1: and we got a drummer that's that can play okay,
Speaker 1: and he's handsome. That was a big part of it,
Speaker 1: was he Yeah, that was a big thing over the years.
Speaker 1: What that That was rumored that he was kicked out
Speaker 1: because Paul said he was too handsome and he didn't
Speaker 1: want any competition. Are you Is he still around? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's alive. Okay, Well I'm not going to say the
Speaker 1: next part then, so um, he he was enough. So
Speaker 1: I guess at the time the Beatles, by by the
Speaker 1: time Pete Best was kind of brought on, he wasn't
Speaker 1: like officially brought on as as like the Beatles Beatles
Speaker 1: as we think of him today, where there was like
Speaker 1: four of them, there was like a rotating bunch of drummers,
Speaker 1: and Pete Best was one of those drummers, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he played, I mean he was he kind of.
Speaker 1: It was sort of like when I rotated and stuff.
Speaker 1: You should know early on a little bit like there
Speaker 1: was still a rotation going for a short time, and
Speaker 1: I think and then everyone else just went away. Like
Speaker 1: Pete Best played like eighty something gigs with the Beatles
Speaker 1: pre Hamburg, I think, okay, and then they took him
Speaker 1: to Hamburg, which apparently was a big, big turning point
Speaker 1: for everybody. They play like eighty shows a week in Hamburg.
Speaker 1: I saw a great quote, Um, they said that. So
Speaker 1: in Hamburg is where the Beatles like really started to
Speaker 1: become like the Beatles, like they coalesced into a band.
Speaker 1: I saw that they arrived wearing Lilacs, sport jackets and
Speaker 1: trousers and left wearing black leather jackets and jeans. That's
Speaker 1: where they learned sex, drugs and rock and roll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pete Best wasn't into the drugs though, like the other
Speaker 1: three guys, so that was a problem. Sure, that's a
Speaker 1: buzz kill when the one guy in the room is
Speaker 1: just sitting there staring at you judge, Yeah, well I would.
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of a buzz kill, I would guess, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah probably so I think they were all like doing
Speaker 1: speed back then. Oh sure, because they were playing literally
Speaker 1: like six or seven shows at night. Were they really
Speaker 1: playing that many? Oh it was ridiculous? Wow? Yeah so um.
Speaker 1: He was in a group called the Blackjacks before that though,
Speaker 1: went to Hamburg, Hamburg with the Beatles, and then right
Speaker 1: after that the Beatles go back to England in two
Speaker 1: and they were just about to go into the studio
Speaker 1: to record their first singles for E M I and uh.
Speaker 1: Legendary manager Brian Epstein called up and said, sorry, bloke,
Speaker 1: the boys want you out and it's already been arranged, yeah,
Speaker 1: meaning like don't even bother it's done, which is sad
Speaker 1: um and Pete Best took it pretty hard, from what
Speaker 1: I understand for horrible and a horrible twist of iron.
Speaker 1: He ended up working at the Unemployment in office, but
Speaker 1: working there now, hanging out there um and by this
Speaker 1: time like he had made a name for himself around
Speaker 1: Liverpool as as a musician in a beatle um. The
Speaker 1: reason why he's called the unluckiest man of music is
Speaker 1: not because he was a Beatle at one point in time,
Speaker 1: but that he was a Beatle at one point in
Speaker 1: time and was kicked out of the band a few
Speaker 1: weeks before the Beatles blew up, and Um, it almost
Speaker 1: makes you wonder like did they blow up because they
Speaker 1: moved on to Ringo or was it like that was
Speaker 1: just bad timing. Well, I mean, here's the deal. Uh,
Speaker 1: there are interviews out there with both Um John and Paul.
Speaker 1: There has always been the rumor, like I said that
Speaker 1: Pete's handsomeness threatened the band. Um, that is not true.
Speaker 1: Paul is on record of saying, like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just something that happens. Early in the days of bands
Speaker 1: like ring we were just really struck by how great
Speaker 1: Ringo was. Pete Best sat out one gig because he
Speaker 1: was sick or something, Ringo sat in and they were
Speaker 1: all just like wow, like they all felt it and
Speaker 1: it was just sort of that magic happening where they're like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, I know what's got to happen. Um. John,
Speaker 1: for his part, said, you know, it had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with his looks. He said he was just kind
Speaker 1: of a crap drummer. I mean he was John was
Speaker 1: not the nicest guy in the world. So he really
Speaker 1: kind of threw through it all on the table and
Speaker 1: was like, he wasn't a good drummer. He just wasn't.
Speaker 1: He was a good first drummer, and clearly it was
Speaker 1: time to move on from him. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: mainly because his mom owned a place where we could play.
Speaker 1: Not very nice, gotcha, No, But I mean that doesn't
Speaker 1: make him unlucky. No, he didn't have the chops and
Speaker 1: you know he, I mean, he's he's reckoned with it.
Speaker 1: I saw an article from last year where he was
Speaker 1: like he never spoke to the other three guys again,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, I me and Paul would
Speaker 1: love to sit down and like have a scotch and
Speaker 1: talk about it. And he's like the doors open. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Paul's going to do that though
Speaker 1: maybe not. Uh. He was on Howard Stern. Paul was
Speaker 1: and Howard was like, are you ever just gonna write
Speaker 1: him a check just out of guilt? What He's just like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He did get royalties though later on when the Beatles
Speaker 1: anthology came out, because that included stuff from Pete Best,
Speaker 1: So he ended up getting some money. Hey, he made out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think the lesson here is don't ever get sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the key, everybody, that's right. So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: from nineteen sixties Liverpool too, over to the New Orleans
Speaker 1: area where they have hurricanes. Supposedly they have a hurricane
Speaker 1: party every time the wind blows, have heard, but they
Speaker 1: actually do have legitimate hurricanes, and those hurricanes can do
Speaker 1: a lot of damage, as we saw in two thousand
Speaker 1: five with Hurricane Katrina. By the time Hurricane Katrina rolled around,
Speaker 1: a woman named Melanie Martinez was on her fourth house,
Speaker 1: having been destroyed by her Urricane um Previously George one
Speaker 1: and Betsy in nineteen sixty had destroyed her house by
Speaker 1: the time Katrina came around. But after Katrina, everybody really
Speaker 1: learned their lesson. They're like, Okay, we've been taking this
Speaker 1: way too instusition le like, we need to really actually
Speaker 1: like protect New Orleans from flooding from hurricanes. And so
Speaker 1: the federal government stepped in, the government in Louisiana stepped
Speaker 1: in and they really fortified New Orleans so that years later,
Speaker 1: seven years later actually to the day of Katrina making landfall,
Speaker 1: when Isaac made landfall. New Orleans held up. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty big hurricane, but weathered New Orleans weathered it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: in little tiny town of Bathwaite, just a little south
Speaker 1: of New Orleans, which I thought south of New Orleans
Speaker 1: was like the Caribbean or the Gulf. I guess, um,
Speaker 1: there's a little town called Bathwaite. They did not fortify
Speaker 1: this town, and it just so happened that there's where
Speaker 1: Melanie Martinez builds. Another house that proved to be her
Speaker 1: fifth one that was destroyed by a hurricane. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is truly bad luck. Um. Granted all of those houses
Speaker 1: were in the same floodplain, but it's like it's not
Speaker 1: like everybody's house was destroyed every time. Like, this was
Speaker 1: truly bad luck to have five houses lost. Uh. And
Speaker 1: this last one before Isaac, she was selected for an
Speaker 1: A and E reality show, Hideous Houses, got a twenty
Speaker 1: dollar makeover, brand new kitchen, new appliances, in a new
Speaker 1: sewing room. Uh. And apparently that episode aired just a
Speaker 1: few weeks before Isaac came around. Destroyed that house too.
Speaker 1: And you know when they asked her in two thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve, like why do you keep building here? You know,
Speaker 1: it's like everyone else. She's like, it's this is my home.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm I want to live where I was
Speaker 1: born and raised and this is my home. Yeah, can
Speaker 1: you imagine what that phone calls like. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a producer with Hideous Houses and your house has
Speaker 1: been selected to be on Hideous Houses. She probably applied
Speaker 1: and how it works. No, I think they just go
Speaker 1: scout your house and it's really like, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: apply now that I think so. For that last time,
Speaker 1: with Hurricane Isaac in two twelve, she and her husband
Speaker 1: and their pets and um, Melanie Martinez is elderly mom,
Speaker 1: barely escaped with their life. They had to hammer through
Speaker 1: their roof. They were trapped in the attic with the
Speaker 1: floodwaters rising. They had to hammer a hole into the
Speaker 1: roof and climb out where they were rescued. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: I meane at least they got out. They did. But
Speaker 1: even so, the thing that makes it really bad luck,
Speaker 1: real quick, chuck, is that Melanie Martinez said she would
Speaker 1: never have stayed around for that hurricane because of her
Speaker 1: elderly mother. She wouldn't have risked her her health. Um,
Speaker 1: they got stuck there because her van broke down. Well
Speaker 1: but she got out, okay, they yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean she couldn't save the house. So it's true. It's
Speaker 1: very sad, all right. So this next one is this
Speaker 1: is pretty remarkable whenever I hear about people that are
Speaker 1: and I've heard stories like this over the years where
Speaker 1: people were had the bad luck to be in uh
Speaker 1: various places where like terrorist attacks have happened more than once. UH.
Speaker 1: And this couple, this British couple, Jason Cairn's Lawrence and
Speaker 1: his partner Jenny, they had this happened three times. UH.
Speaker 1: They were in New York City on nine eleven on
Speaker 1: a just a regular holiday there, so that's number one. UM.
Speaker 1: A few years after that, they went vacationing in uh
Speaker 1: in their very own London in July two thousand five,
Speaker 1: and just a day into that trip was when the
Speaker 1: suicide bombers attacked the London Underground, which was horrific. They
Speaker 1: don't think they're in the underground at the time, but
Speaker 1: I imagine at this point they're like, all right, what's
Speaker 1: going on here. A few years after that, in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, they're like, all right, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: out of town again, and this time we're going to Mumbai, India,
Speaker 1: and another terrorist attack when the luxury hotel was was
Speaker 1: attacked in the railway station and a hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: four people died there. They were all three of those three,
Speaker 1: the three biggest terrorist attacks I guess in the West
Speaker 1: in the in the century. They were there for, yeah,
Speaker 1: the deadliest ones at least, and they thankfully survived all
Speaker 1: three of those. But I imagine after those three trips
Speaker 1: they're probably not going on vacation very much anymore. They
Speaker 1: built a pool in their backyard and they're like, this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing from now on. Man, I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: I really can't either tell you the truth. Should we
Speaker 1: take a break. Let's take a break, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: come back and talk about some more hard luck cases
Speaker 1: after this. Okay, Chuck, okay, chuck. So this one, I
Speaker 1: can't quite put my finger on whether this is whether
Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Bell is a no good thief or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I think I saw some more
Speaker 1: recent stuff and I think that his image has been
Speaker 1: a little more reformed. Well we'll get to that. But
Speaker 1: if you're in Italy and you're a little kid, and
Speaker 1: you are taught who invented the telephone, they do not
Speaker 1: teach you that it was Alexander Graham Bell. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, they may spit when they say they
Speaker 1: name Alexander Graham Bell because they very much believed that
Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Else stole the idea for the telephone from
Speaker 1: Antonio Miucci, who was an Italian inventor who seemed to
Speaker 1: have invented something very telephone like, um, at least a
Speaker 1: few years before Alexander Graham Bell supposedly invented his. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he actually filed a patent, preliminary patent that is in
Speaker 1: the US, five years before Bell, for what he called
Speaker 1: the tele trophon, though, which is a much better name
Speaker 1: than telephone. Do you think so? I would love it
Speaker 1: if people were like, can I borrow your teletrophono? Let
Speaker 1: me see your troll bro, let's see there? Right? I
Speaker 1: love that so um Antonio Meucci. Uh, he definitely realized
Speaker 1: that you could send sound over electrically activated copper wires
Speaker 1: back in like the eighteen thirties. He knew this um
Speaker 1: and he started kind of messing around with it in
Speaker 1: one at one time. He created basically a telephone between
Speaker 1: his workshop and his his wife's bedroom because his wife
Speaker 1: had been stricken with some sort of paralysis and to
Speaker 1: be able to communicate with her without having to go
Speaker 1: in and check out her all the time, he basically
Speaker 1: rigged up a telephone. This was in the I think
Speaker 1: the eighteen eighteen sixties, UM in New York, right, Um
Speaker 1: and even debuted this invention to the press. But he
Speaker 1: didn't speak English, and the English speaking press in New
Speaker 1: York didn't speak Italian, so it was really just covered
Speaker 1: by the Italian press. But this guy in in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty gave a demonstration of his telephone and um. Again.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until eighteen seventy six at Alexander Graham Bell
Speaker 1: got his patent and like you said Meucci, he fouled
Speaker 1: the preliminary patent, and I looked into this. You know
Speaker 1: what those are. So the preliminary patent is basically this.
Speaker 1: You pay a much lower fee to basically put a
Speaker 1: hold on your invention. You say this thing is coming.
Speaker 1: If anybody else starts sniffing around with their own invention,
Speaker 1: you let me oh, and then the patent office will
Speaker 1: give you will give you three months to file a
Speaker 1: formal patent, which is again more expensive. So the the
Speaker 1: idea is that Miyuchi didn't have enough money to file
Speaker 1: a full patent, so he placed a preliminary patent and
Speaker 1: didn't have enough money to renew it. You have to
Speaker 1: renew it annually. And Alexander Graham Bell swooped in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing I thought, Well, I mean, there
Speaker 1: have been plenty of inventions where people working in a
Speaker 1: vacuum came up with a similar idea with similar technology.
Speaker 1: But Miyugi actually shared a space with Bells. That's when
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, okay, it's not a good look
Speaker 1: for Bell for sure. Yeah, And then I did a
Speaker 1: little more research. I was like, did Alexander Graham Bell
Speaker 1: steal the telephone? And this was this is not news?
Speaker 1: And I saw an article that was like, yes, he
Speaker 1: stole it from Elisha Gray and I was like, who, Well,
Speaker 1: he's the one who supposedly went to the patent office
Speaker 1: the same day, within hours of Bell, to file a
Speaker 1: patent on the phone and lost out. Yea. So there
Speaker 1: are several people that claimed that Bell it was not
Speaker 1: his original idea. Well, Mayucci actually sued Bell and the
Speaker 1: case made it all the way to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: but then Mayucci died before it was resolved and they
Speaker 1: threw the case out. Very sad, but the House of
Speaker 1: Representatives in two thousand two voted on a resolution to say, yes,
Speaker 1: Antonio Mayuci is the inventor of the telephone as far
Speaker 1: as we in the US are concerned. Um, what I saw,
Speaker 1: what I referred to earlier, that that I was wondering
Speaker 1: if his image had been reformed. He had his extensive
Speaker 1: notes about his invention that he would have had to
Speaker 1: have falsified, and that apparently had been scrutinized by historians.
Speaker 1: So if he was a fraud, he was a really
Speaker 1: methodical frauds. Well, that's one of the complaints with Elisha
Speaker 1: Gray is that the the sketches were like virtually identical
Speaker 1: to Graze. Oh really yeah, so you know, wow, Well
Speaker 1: we I think we need to do at least the
Speaker 1: short stuff in Alexander Graham Bell. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: could be a full EPI. Okay, full EPI, Yes, full
Speaker 1: EpiPen right in your thigh, all right, like the time
Speaker 1: you got stung by that be Remember that was harrowing.
Speaker 1: All right, So this one's Uh, this one is actually
Speaker 1: kind of fun um because I like it when the
Speaker 1: bad luck isn't like super like devastating to someone's life,
Speaker 1: and that they kind of roll with it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Costas Mitzo Takas definitely rolls with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not nothing bad happened here. Uh. There's a an annual
Speaker 1: lottery in Spain that dates back to eighteen twelve called
Speaker 1: El Gordo. It's a Christmas lottery and it's a big,
Speaker 1: big They call it El Gordos the Fat one because
Speaker 1: it's a big, big, fat payout and it's a very
Speaker 1: very much a tradition in Spain. And in two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: the jackpot was at the time the biggest ever, close
Speaker 1: to a billion dollars fifty million bucks. And there's this
Speaker 1: little town called a Sodetto and people in this town
Speaker 1: is that Italian? Huh? No, I didn't say Soday it
Speaker 1: though it was close. No, that's just a little flair.
Speaker 1: So in Sodetto, residents there would pull money together sometimes
Speaker 1: by their lottery tickets because it costs twenty six bucks apiece.
Speaker 1: It's not like going down and buying like the I
Speaker 1: don't even know how much blotto costs in America? Is
Speaker 1: in't like a dollar? Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Uh, we
Speaker 1: did a lot of episode back in the day, didn't we.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about El Gordo in the lot
Speaker 1: of episode because I think I recognized the name. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: El Gordo. Um. So the tickets were twenty six bucks
Speaker 1: at least in two thousand eleven. And this town pulls
Speaker 1: their money together. Seventy different families all chipped in because
Speaker 1: times were tough and they didn't spring for their own ticket,
Speaker 1: and they one they did win. Um, this town of
Speaker 1: like simple farmers whose backs were kind of up against
Speaker 1: the wall from the economic downturn you referenced. Apparently they
Speaker 1: were also experiencing a prolonged drought to everybody's a little
Speaker 1: tents overnight, had all of their money troubles just go away. Um,
Speaker 1: every single household in the town one a minimum of
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty U S. Dollars a d thirty thousand,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, up to millions, right, like if they bought
Speaker 1: like full full chunks of the tickets um from this lotto.
Speaker 1: And so all these people like rode their tractors into
Speaker 1: town on Christmas Day to celebrate that they had all
Speaker 1: just won the lottery, all except one guy, Costas Mitsotakas,
Speaker 1: whose house was not visited by the people selling the
Speaker 1: lottery tickets for the town fundraiser, and who didn't buy
Speaker 1: a ticket as a result. Right, he lived a little
Speaker 1: bit on the outskirts of town um with a woman,
Speaker 1: his romantic partner at the time, and she actually bought
Speaker 1: in and one a hundred thousand American dollars. No, I
Speaker 1: guess it was a hundred thousand euros. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was about a hundred and thirty thousand American dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So she won and he did not. Uh, they're not
Speaker 1: together now. I don't know if that had anything to
Speaker 1: do with it. I'm not saying it does. I think
Speaker 1: they had already split up, Okay, but at any rate,
Speaker 1: he didn't win any money. But he's a filmmaker, and
Speaker 1: he was like, his quote was, it was really a
Speaker 1: gift from heaven, as if someone had given me the
Speaker 1: perfect script. So he decided to make a documentary about
Speaker 1: this town and about this Loto win and about these
Speaker 1: villagers who apparently did not change their way as much.
Speaker 1: They all still lived very simply and they all still shared,
Speaker 1: how you know, like lots of family in the single house,
Speaker 1: and it was really kind of heartwarming. And I read
Speaker 1: an article from just like a year and a half
Speaker 1: ago where he was supposedly finishing it up, but then
Speaker 1: I never saw anything about the actual documentary, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was ever released or finished. Fully.
Speaker 1: I also read that he made out okay. He'd been
Speaker 1: trying to sell his property there for a while, but
Speaker 1: because of the economic downturn, he couldn't get rid of it.
Speaker 1: And right after somebody bought it from him. Well that's good,
Speaker 1: hopefully at full lasking price, you know. Yeah, And he
Speaker 1: seems like a guy. He was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't buy a ticket. Yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Make a film about it? I guess as happens. That's right.
Speaker 1: So hat tip to uh Costas Mitsotakas too. That's right.
Speaker 1: Um so chuck, we're moving along. We're going from Spain
Speaker 1: to right here in Atlanta. Yeah. Do you remember the
Speaker 1: nineties Olympics? I do, because I was on a road
Speaker 1: trip out west my friend and I. That's when we
Speaker 1: took our like two and a half month trip in
Speaker 1: the Volkswagen van and we're like, we're getting out of
Speaker 1: Atlanta for the Olympics. You did not miss much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember everybody in Atlanta who owned a business sunk
Speaker 1: tons of cash into their business to revamp it for
Speaker 1: Olympic fever. And no one left downtown. Nobody. They just
Speaker 1: stayed downtown. But one of the other things about the Olympics,
Speaker 1: aside from like one of the most mediocre maybe actually
Speaker 1: just outright bad opening ceremonies, pretty bad. Just remember being
Speaker 1: on the road and in a cheap hotel room in
Speaker 1: New Mexico and seeing uh, stainless steel pickup trucks and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, what's going on.
Speaker 1: That's so Atlanta. That's hot landa right there. Um. In
Speaker 1: addition to that, the Olympics is also remembered as the
Speaker 1: Centennial Olympics, is a hundred years after the first modern
Speaker 1: Olympic Games. But really more than anything, it's remember for
Speaker 1: the Olympic Park bombing, which is a huge deal. And
Speaker 1: this is I mean that was memorable because it was
Speaker 1: a big deal like that, this was an act of
Speaker 1: tomestic terrorism here in the United States and it was
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, and it actually could have been way
Speaker 1: worse than it was. One one poor woman from I
Speaker 1: believe Albany or Leesburg, Georgia died. Um. I think a
Speaker 1: cameraman from Turkey died from a heart attack running to
Speaker 1: the scene. But like a hundred people were injured. But
Speaker 1: right before that bomb went off, it was a forty
Speaker 1: pound pipe bomb filled with um screws and nails and
Speaker 1: all sorts of projectiles. Um. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people standing around it watching a concert by Jack McK
Speaker 1: and the heart attack at like one am in Olympic Park. Um.
Speaker 1: And had they not been moved by a security guard
Speaker 1: named Richard Jewell, surely more people would have died. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Jewels sees this backpack again. This is now a
Speaker 1: backpack on the ground. Like everyone would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: what's that thing doing there? See something? Say something? See something,
Speaker 1: say something? Yeah. Ninety six it was just a year
Speaker 1: after the Oklahoma City bombing. It wasn't like this was
Speaker 1: on one's mind at the time. And uh, Jewel said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I think we should get out of here. There's a
Speaker 1: backpack on the ground. Something smells fishy. Um. And I
Speaker 1: don't think he meant there was literal fish in the backpack. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that was terrible. And he got people out of there
Speaker 1: and alerted authorities and they started clearing the area pretty
Speaker 1: heavily and very quickly. Richard Jewels on the news as
Speaker 1: a local hero, national hero, Yeah, national hero, and uh,
Speaker 1: everything was going great until all of the next day
Speaker 1: he was looked at as a person of interest. Like
Speaker 1: the next day, apparently the a j C got a
Speaker 1: scoop from the Atlanta p D that the FEDS and
Speaker 1: everybody were starting to wonder if Richard Jewel wasn't the
Speaker 1: type of guy who would plan a bomb in order
Speaker 1: to put himself in a position of being a hero. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were like, he fits the profile. I remember all
Speaker 1: that stuff going down. Yeah, And it's crazy how you
Speaker 1: can see somebody differ finally when people like paining him
Speaker 1: a certain way, you know, and like like he just
Speaker 1: looked like he had that mustache. What's he hiding with
Speaker 1: that mustache? Or his eyes are a little beady, aren't they?
Speaker 1: And he had been charged with um in person agian officers.
Speaker 1: So he's clearly like I want to be cop kind
Speaker 1: of thing, and um he looked really bad. And then
Speaker 1: finally in October, the FBI was like, Richard Jewel, now
Speaker 1: now we cleared him. He's not a he's not a
Speaker 1: person of interest. It was surely somebody else. But by
Speaker 1: this time, Richard Jewel's name had been drugged through the
Speaker 1: mud associated with a major act of terrorism at the
Speaker 1: Olympics in the United States um for months before he
Speaker 1: was cleared, and it was the damage was was very
Speaker 1: much done. Yeah, of course everyone knows the real bomber
Speaker 1: was Eric Rudolph uh. And again, you know, those four
Speaker 1: months were really rough on Jewel and his family, and
Speaker 1: even after he was cleared in October, it's like like
Speaker 1: everyone knew he was cleared, but it's still one of
Speaker 1: those things where like it's attached to his name, you know. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he entered he went from the suspect phase to the
Speaker 1: late night talk show monologue joke phase. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: a good transition. It isn't very Sadly, he died in
Speaker 1: two thousand and just the young age of forty four
Speaker 1: from complications of diabetes. Yep, so he had it rough.
Speaker 1: He got like a settlement from CNN in New York
Speaker 1: Times for I guess over zealous and unfounded reporting maybe,
Speaker 1: but um it was it was he did not have
Speaker 1: like a great last part of his life, all right,
Speaker 1: the last one folks breaking news. Josh emails me about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before we recorder so and said, by the way,
Speaker 1: the number one guy on the list is a fraud.
Speaker 1: I said he maybe a fraud. I thought you said
Speaker 1: he was a fraud. I'm trying to see away here. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's not proven that he's a fraud, because well, well
Speaker 1: let's just get into all this. Okay, Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Selac front front, a slack front everywhere else I saw
Speaker 1: at F, A, R and E. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to believe anymore. I know, we've just lost touch with reality.
Speaker 1: Charles So He has been dubbed the luckiest man in
Speaker 1: the world for supposedly surviving seven brushes with death, ranging
Speaker 1: from a train going into an icy river, two cars
Speaker 1: going off of cliffs again into icy rivers, uh, cars
Speaker 1: catching on fire, cars plunging off of cliffs, like so
Speaker 1: much stuff that you're like, can this be true? Especially
Speaker 1: the plane crash that went down where he supposedly was
Speaker 1: sucked out of a door and landed on a haystack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before the plane crashed. That is this real it? So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. All of the starts in um, I
Speaker 1: believe two thousand five. He buys a lottery ticket, wins
Speaker 1: like a million dollar or a million euro lottery and
Speaker 1: that happened. That definitely happened, And he was interviewed by
Speaker 1: the Scotsman, the newspaper, the Scotsman, and in this article
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you think it's lucky that I won
Speaker 1: a million dollars, let me tell you about some of
Speaker 1: the unlucky things that have happened to me. And he
Speaker 1: starts reeling off these stories of like just narrowly escaping death,
Speaker 1: and the Scotsman's like, wow, that's fantastic. We're going to
Speaker 1: print this. And the Scotsman printed it, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it started getting picked up by other news outlets,
Speaker 1: another news outlets, another news outlets, and then finally and
Speaker 1: one of these articles there was a commenter um who
Speaker 1: identified himself as Friday Selec's son, who said, hey, um,
Speaker 1: not one single journalist has ever independently verified a single
Speaker 1: one of these stories. This guy is actually my father
Speaker 1: and he has always wanted to be famous, so when
Speaker 1: he was interviewed for winning the lottery, he saw his
Speaker 1: chance and he made all of this up. Well, if
Speaker 1: it was an internet commenter, it must be true exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why I was c o a because it's like,
Speaker 1: is that the only place you found that? Yes, but
Speaker 1: the point remains correct. It has never been and none
Speaker 1: of it has ever been independently verified, So it's not
Speaker 1: entirely it's it's entirely possible that there he wasn't on
Speaker 1: um any plane or in in a bus accident, or
Speaker 1: that his car crash. It's not verified that he has been.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been clearly shown that he hasn't been. It's
Speaker 1: just this guy makes a really good point that this
Speaker 1: dude who everybody says is the luckiest man in the world,
Speaker 1: it's possible he made it all up. How can we
Speaker 1: not get to the bottom of this? What do you mean? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we found out the world is flat and
Speaker 1: that they fake the moon landing through research. Why can't
Speaker 1: we found out what happened with Frande Selac like you
Speaker 1: and me specifically or immediately surely this you could find
Speaker 1: this out right? Yeah, I guess you could. I think
Speaker 1: no one's going to the trouble of doing it. It's
Speaker 1: a good story that everybody likes. It's not really hurting
Speaker 1: anything for him to be lying and for the lie
Speaker 1: to be perpetuated. Um. It's more just it's this kind
Speaker 1: of laziness among journalism, I guess, including us, because I
Speaker 1: didn't go get to the bottom of it. I didn't
Speaker 1: go independently verify any of his claims. Well, I did
Speaker 1: see an article that uh. Is that where you saw it?
Speaker 1: All that's interesting dot com? No, I didn't see it
Speaker 1: on there. I don't w I don't remember where I
Speaker 1: saw the article of the look go ahead. Well, there
Speaker 1: was an article that talked about the fact that um
Speaker 1: that mentioned the comment or whatever and the doubts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's become kind of thing because there was
Speaker 1: a viral um, a viral uh video that um that
Speaker 1: made the rounds that was really really interesting, UM because
Speaker 1: it's just this cute little animation of this guy's story
Speaker 1: in his life. And UM, I guess I saw the
Speaker 1: thing about him being being a possible hoax on BBC.
Speaker 1: So if you put BBC together and all that's interesting,
Speaker 1: you have legitimate fact, right, and I apologize for looking
Speaker 1: at my phone right now, but I'm doing a real
Speaker 1: time investigation and apparently some people have googled and these
Speaker 1: plane crashes and things aren't documented, so it sounds like
Speaker 1: it might be uh, it might be false claims. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, but even still, it's a great story.
Speaker 1: I mean, just the fact that this guy made up
Speaker 1: all of this load of bs during an interview. It's
Speaker 1: pretty layers one of the great improv comedians of all time. Right,
Speaker 1: it's a good way to end things too, don't you
Speaker 1: think so? Well? Thanks for joining us, everybody. Thanks for
Speaker 1: putting on your smoking jacket and your house slippers, um,
Speaker 1: putting on a nice um Berry white record, and uh,
Speaker 1: relaxing with us. I hope you feel relaxed. Now, do
Speaker 1: you feel relaxed? Chuckers? I do, and Jerry does obviously,
Speaker 1: Jesus I know. Um, Well, if you want to know
Speaker 1: more about the unluckiest people in the world, just go
Speaker 1: look at stuff on the internet. May or may not
Speaker 1: be true. Who really cares? Right? Uh? And since I
Speaker 1: said that it's time for a listener mail, I'm going
Speaker 1: to call this one a sort of an older one
Speaker 1: that I forgot about so Apologies to Jessica Breslin because
Speaker 1: I told her I would read this a month ago. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: love the recent episode on rape Kits, but wanted to
Speaker 1: make a tiny correction about how the Golden State Killer
Speaker 1: was called. Although there was a time that the Golden
Speaker 1: State Killers DNA was part of the backlog, the DNA
Speaker 1: had actually been identified and linked to his crime since
Speaker 1: the nineties. The problem was they had no person to
Speaker 1: compare it to. This change in two thousand eighteen when
Speaker 1: they compared it to DNA submitted to a familial DNA base.
Speaker 1: When a relative submitted their DNA to the familiar DNA site,
Speaker 1: they were able to see that the DNA was related,
Speaker 1: and from there were able to narrow down their suspects
Speaker 1: to too likely family members. After narrowing it down to
Speaker 1: those two, they're able to identify their suspect collect a
Speaker 1: sample of his DNA to compare it to the Golden
Speaker 1: State Killers. However, still good proof of my testing. Backlog
Speaker 1: kits is still so important. Uh. You never know what
Speaker 1: sort of technological breakthroughs will help law enforcement catch the
Speaker 1: perpetrators even when you don't have a suspect. I love
Speaker 1: the podcast guys appreciate all the hard work and keep
Speaker 1: you entertaining and respectful even when it's such sensitive subject matter.
Speaker 1: And that is Jessica Breslin. I guess I just said
Speaker 1: I was going up there at the end, wasn't I? Yes,
Speaker 1: indeed you did go up there, Chuck. It was kind
Speaker 1: of a nice little flourish. Well, thanks a lot, Jessica.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the email, um, and if you sorry for
Speaker 1: being a month later and reading it, that was all
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