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Speaker 1: s K Select, I chose our listical episode on cases

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty interesting and entertaining. It's terestaining. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles

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Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. And this is

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know about people who have really bad

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Speaker 1: luck to nine of them. Yeah, we can't. I don't

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Speaker 1: we that that that should be our last episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like stuff you should know. It as ten biggest regrets. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Yeah, that'll be the last one.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's write that down. There's no, we don't

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Speaker 1: full time Actually, we could probably come up with ten. No,

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Speaker 1: we couldn't. Vidcan number one. That's a big one. This

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Speaker 1: on our way al right, Um, how are you feeling

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Speaker 1: pretty good? I'm great. Do you feel lucky? Punk, I'm

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Speaker 1: the rabbit's foot over the years. Yep, that's why they

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Speaker 1: escaping trouble more than anything. How about a story, Chuck

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Speaker 1: lay it on us? Oh? Just I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah? You know what you do? Man? And my

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Speaker 1: I am. But you just got to be as humble, humble, humble, humble,

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Speaker 1: think they're always a little disarmed and they're like, oh ohoh, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's been my experience. All right, there's

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Speaker 1: chuck advice right there. So you get out of fourteen tickets?

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Speaker 1: So did you forget to the last fifteen time? Did

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't you know who I am I'm

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Speaker 1: the guy that gets out of tickets. Oh, I thought

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Speaker 1: Nerdy Little Jobs and Nerdy Little Wozniak. Our young guys

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Speaker 1: friend Brent's podcast Hysteria fifty one recently and nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the Fermi paradox for like an hour

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Speaker 1: and it was awesome. So go check that out, Hysteria

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Speaker 1: Poor Ron Wayne. Now that one's bad luck. I wonder

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Speaker 1: truly bad luck to have five houses lost. Uh. And

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00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: this last one before Isaac, she was selected for an

425
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: A and E reality show, Hideous Houses, got a twenty

426
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: dollar makeover, brand new kitchen, new appliances, in a new

427
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: sewing room. Uh. And apparently that episode aired just a

428
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: few weeks before Isaac came around. Destroyed that house too.

429
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: And you know when they asked her in two thousand

430
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: and twelve, like why do you keep building here? You know,

431
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: it's like everyone else. She's like, it's this is my home.

432
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm I want to live where I was

433
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: born and raised and this is my home. Yeah, can

434
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: you imagine what that phone calls like. It's like, hey,

435
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm a producer with Hideous Houses and your house has

436
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: been selected to be on Hideous Houses. She probably applied

437
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: and how it works. No, I think they just go

438
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: scout your house and it's really like, I'm sure you

439
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: apply now that I think so. For that last time,

440
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: with Hurricane Isaac in two twelve, she and her husband

441
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: and their pets and um, Melanie Martinez is elderly mom,

442
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: barely escaped with their life. They had to hammer through

443
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: their roof. They were trapped in the attic with the

444
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: floodwaters rising. They had to hammer a hole into the

445
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: roof and climb out where they were rescued. Yeah. Man,

446
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: I meane at least they got out. They did. But

447
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: even so, the thing that makes it really bad luck,

448
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: real quick, chuck, is that Melanie Martinez said she would

449
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: never have stayed around for that hurricane because of her

450
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: elderly mother. She wouldn't have risked her her health. Um,

451
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: they got stuck there because her van broke down. Well

452
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: but she got out, okay, they yeah, you know, I

453
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: mean she couldn't save the house. So it's true. It's

454
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: very sad, all right. So this next one is this

455
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: is pretty remarkable whenever I hear about people that are

456
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: and I've heard stories like this over the years where

457
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: people were had the bad luck to be in uh

458
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: various places where like terrorist attacks have happened more than once. UH.

459
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: And this couple, this British couple, Jason Cairn's Lawrence and

460
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: his partner Jenny, they had this happened three times. UH.

461
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: They were in New York City on nine eleven on

462
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: a just a regular holiday there, so that's number one. UM.

463
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: A few years after that, they went vacationing in uh

464
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: in their very own London in July two thousand five,

465
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: and just a day into that trip was when the

466
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: suicide bombers attacked the London Underground, which was horrific. They

467
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: don't think they're in the underground at the time, but

468
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: I imagine at this point they're like, all right, what's

469
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: going on here. A few years after that, in two

470
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, they're like, all right, we're gonna get

471
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: out of town again, and this time we're going to Mumbai, India,

472
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: and another terrorist attack when the luxury hotel was was

473
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: attacked in the railway station and a hundred and seventy

474
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: four people died there. They were all three of those three,

475
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: the three biggest terrorist attacks I guess in the West

476
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: in the in the century. They were there for, yeah,

477
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: the deadliest ones at least, and they thankfully survived all

478
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: three of those. But I imagine after those three trips

479
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: they're probably not going on vacation very much anymore. They

480
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: built a pool in their backyard and they're like, this

481
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: is what we're doing from now on. Man, I can't imagine.

482
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: I really can't either tell you the truth. Should we

483
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: take a break. Let's take a break, and we're gonna

484
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: come back and talk about some more hard luck cases

485
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: after this. Okay, Chuck, okay, chuck. So this one, I

486
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: can't quite put my finger on whether this is whether

487
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Bell is a no good thief or not.

488
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I think I saw some more

489
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: recent stuff and I think that his image has been

490
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: a little more reformed. Well we'll get to that. But

491
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: if you're in Italy and you're a little kid, and

492
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: you are taught who invented the telephone, they do not

493
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: teach you that it was Alexander Graham Bell. As a

494
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: matter of fact, they may spit when they say they

495
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: name Alexander Graham Bell because they very much believed that

496
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Else stole the idea for the telephone from

497
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Antonio Miucci, who was an Italian inventor who seemed to

498
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: have invented something very telephone like, um, at least a

499
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: few years before Alexander Graham Bell supposedly invented his. Yeah,

500
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: he actually filed a patent, preliminary patent that is in

501
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: the US, five years before Bell, for what he called

502
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: the tele trophon, though, which is a much better name

503
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: than telephone. Do you think so? I would love it

504
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: if people were like, can I borrow your teletrophono? Let

505
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: me see your troll bro, let's see there? Right? I

506
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: love that so um Antonio Meucci. Uh, he definitely realized

507
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: that you could send sound over electrically activated copper wires

508
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: back in like the eighteen thirties. He knew this um

509
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: and he started kind of messing around with it in

510
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: one at one time. He created basically a telephone between

511
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: his workshop and his his wife's bedroom because his wife

512
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: had been stricken with some sort of paralysis and to

513
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: be able to communicate with her without having to go

514
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: in and check out her all the time, he basically

515
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: rigged up a telephone. This was in the I think

516
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: the eighteen eighteen sixties, UM in New York, right, Um

517
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: and even debuted this invention to the press. But he

518
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't speak English, and the English speaking press in New

519
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: York didn't speak Italian, so it was really just covered

520
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: by the Italian press. But this guy in in eighteen

521
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: sixty gave a demonstration of his telephone and um. Again.

522
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't until eighteen seventy six at Alexander Graham Bell

523
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: got his patent and like you said Meucci, he fouled

524
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: the preliminary patent, and I looked into this. You know

525
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: what those are. So the preliminary patent is basically this.

526
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: You pay a much lower fee to basically put a

527
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: hold on your invention. You say this thing is coming.

528
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: If anybody else starts sniffing around with their own invention,

529
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: you let me oh, and then the patent office will

530
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: give you will give you three months to file a

531
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: formal patent, which is again more expensive. So the the

532
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: idea is that Miyuchi didn't have enough money to file

533
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: a full patent, so he placed a preliminary patent and

534
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: didn't have enough money to renew it. You have to

535
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: renew it annually. And Alexander Graham Bell swooped in. Yeah,

536
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: and here's the thing I thought, Well, I mean, there

537
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: have been plenty of inventions where people working in a

538
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: vacuum came up with a similar idea with similar technology.

539
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: But Miyugi actually shared a space with Bells. That's when

540
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, okay, it's not a good look

541
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: for Bell for sure. Yeah, And then I did a

542
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: little more research. I was like, did Alexander Graham Bell

543
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: steal the telephone? And this was this is not news?

544
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: And I saw an article that was like, yes, he

545
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: stole it from Elisha Gray and I was like, who, Well,

546
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: he's the one who supposedly went to the patent office

547
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: the same day, within hours of Bell, to file a

548
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: patent on the phone and lost out. Yea. So there

549
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: are several people that claimed that Bell it was not

550
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: his original idea. Well, Mayucci actually sued Bell and the

551
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: case made it all the way to the Supreme Court,

552
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: but then Mayucci died before it was resolved and they

553
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: threw the case out. Very sad, but the House of

554
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: Representatives in two thousand two voted on a resolution to say, yes,

555
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Antonio Mayuci is the inventor of the telephone as far

556
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: as we in the US are concerned. Um, what I saw,

557
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: what I referred to earlier, that that I was wondering

558
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: if his image had been reformed. He had his extensive

559
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: notes about his invention that he would have had to

560
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: have falsified, and that apparently had been scrutinized by historians.

561
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: So if he was a fraud, he was a really

562
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: methodical frauds. Well, that's one of the complaints with Elisha

563
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: Gray is that the the sketches were like virtually identical

564
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: to Graze. Oh really yeah, so you know, wow, Well

565
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: we I think we need to do at least the

566
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: short stuff in Alexander Graham Bell. Yeah, I think that

567
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: could be a full EPI. Okay, full EPI, Yes, full

568
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: EpiPen right in your thigh, all right, like the time

569
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: you got stung by that be Remember that was harrowing.

570
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: All right, So this one's Uh, this one is actually

571
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of fun um because I like it when the

572
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: bad luck isn't like super like devastating to someone's life,

573
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: and that they kind of roll with it, you know

574
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Costas Mitzo Takas definitely rolls with it. Yeah.

575
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: Not nothing bad happened here. Uh. There's a an annual

576
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: lottery in Spain that dates back to eighteen twelve called

577
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: El Gordo. It's a Christmas lottery and it's a big,

578
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: big They call it El Gordos the Fat one because

579
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: it's a big, big, fat payout and it's a very

580
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: very much a tradition in Spain. And in two thousand eleven,

581
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: the jackpot was at the time the biggest ever, close

582
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: to a billion dollars fifty million bucks. And there's this

583
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: little town called a Sodetto and people in this town

584
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: is that Italian? Huh? No, I didn't say Soday it

585
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: though it was close. No, that's just a little flair.

586
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: So in Sodetto, residents there would pull money together sometimes

587
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: by their lottery tickets because it costs twenty six bucks apiece.

588
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: It's not like going down and buying like the I

589
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: don't even know how much blotto costs in America? Is

590
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: in't like a dollar? Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Uh, we

591
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: did a lot of episode back in the day, didn't we.

592
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: I think we talked about El Gordo in the lot

593
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: of episode because I think I recognized the name. Yeah, yeah,

594
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: El Gordo. Um. So the tickets were twenty six bucks

595
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: at least in two thousand eleven. And this town pulls

596
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: their money together. Seventy different families all chipped in because

597
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: times were tough and they didn't spring for their own ticket,

598
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: and they one they did win. Um, this town of

599
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: like simple farmers whose backs were kind of up against

600
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: the wall from the economic downturn you referenced. Apparently they

601
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: were also experiencing a prolonged drought to everybody's a little

602
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: tents overnight, had all of their money troubles just go away. Um,

603
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: every single household in the town one a minimum of

604
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty U S. Dollars a d thirty thousand,

605
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, up to millions, right, like if they bought

606
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: like full full chunks of the tickets um from this lotto.

607
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: And so all these people like rode their tractors into

608
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: town on Christmas Day to celebrate that they had all

609
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: just won the lottery, all except one guy, Costas Mitsotakas,

610
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: whose house was not visited by the people selling the

611
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: lottery tickets for the town fundraiser, and who didn't buy

612
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: a ticket as a result. Right, he lived a little

613
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: bit on the outskirts of town um with a woman,

614
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: his romantic partner at the time, and she actually bought

615
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: in and one a hundred thousand American dollars. No, I

616
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: guess it was a hundred thousand euros. Okay, so yeah,

617
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: it was about a hundred and thirty thousand American dollars. Yeah,

618
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: So she won and he did not. Uh, they're not

619
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: together now. I don't know if that had anything to

620
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: do with it. I'm not saying it does. I think

621
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: they had already split up, Okay, but at any rate,

622
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: he didn't win any money. But he's a filmmaker, and

623
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: he was like, his quote was, it was really a

624
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: gift from heaven, as if someone had given me the

625
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: perfect script. So he decided to make a documentary about

626
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: this town and about this Loto win and about these

627
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: villagers who apparently did not change their way as much.

628
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: They all still lived very simply and they all still shared,

629
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: how you know, like lots of family in the single house,

630
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: and it was really kind of heartwarming. And I read

631
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: an article from just like a year and a half

632
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: ago where he was supposedly finishing it up, but then

633
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I never saw anything about the actual documentary, so I

634
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: don't know if it was ever released or finished. Fully.

635
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: I also read that he made out okay. He'd been

636
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: trying to sell his property there for a while, but

637
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: because of the economic downturn, he couldn't get rid of it.

638
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: And right after somebody bought it from him. Well that's good,

639
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: hopefully at full lasking price, you know. Yeah, And he

640
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: seems like a guy. He was kind of like, you know,

641
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: I didn't buy a ticket. Yeah, what are you gonna do?

642
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: Make a film about it? I guess as happens. That's right.

643
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: So hat tip to uh Costas Mitsotakas too. That's right.

644
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: Um so chuck, we're moving along. We're going from Spain

645
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: to right here in Atlanta. Yeah. Do you remember the

646
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: nineties Olympics? I do, because I was on a road

647
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: trip out west my friend and I. That's when we

648
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: took our like two and a half month trip in

649
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the Volkswagen van and we're like, we're getting out of

650
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: Atlanta for the Olympics. You did not miss much. Yeah,

651
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: I remember everybody in Atlanta who owned a business sunk

652
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: tons of cash into their business to revamp it for

653
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Olympic fever. And no one left downtown. Nobody. They just

654
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: stayed downtown. But one of the other things about the Olympics,

655
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: aside from like one of the most mediocre maybe actually

656
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: just outright bad opening ceremonies, pretty bad. Just remember being

657
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: on the road and in a cheap hotel room in

658
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: New Mexico and seeing uh, stainless steel pickup trucks and

659
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, what's going on.

660
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: That's so Atlanta. That's hot landa right there. Um. In

661
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: addition to that, the Olympics is also remembered as the

662
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Centennial Olympics, is a hundred years after the first modern

663
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: Olympic Games. But really more than anything, it's remember for

664
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: the Olympic Park bombing, which is a huge deal. And

665
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: this is I mean that was memorable because it was

666
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: a big deal like that, this was an act of

667
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: tomestic terrorism here in the United States and it was

668
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, and it actually could have been way

669
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: worse than it was. One one poor woman from I

670
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: believe Albany or Leesburg, Georgia died. Um. I think a

671
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: cameraman from Turkey died from a heart attack running to

672
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: the scene. But like a hundred people were injured. But

673
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: right before that bomb went off, it was a forty

674
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: pound pipe bomb filled with um screws and nails and

675
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: all sorts of projectiles. Um. There are a lot of

676
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: people standing around it watching a concert by Jack McK

677
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: and the heart attack at like one am in Olympic Park. Um.

678
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: And had they not been moved by a security guard

679
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: named Richard Jewell, surely more people would have died. Yeah.

680
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: So Jewels sees this backpack again. This is now a

681
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: backpack on the ground. Like everyone would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

682
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: what's that thing doing there? See something? Say something? See something,

683
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: say something? Yeah. Ninety six it was just a year

684
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: after the Oklahoma City bombing. It wasn't like this was

685
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: on one's mind at the time. And uh, Jewel said, Hey,

686
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: I think we should get out of here. There's a

687
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: backpack on the ground. Something smells fishy. Um. And I

688
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: don't think he meant there was literal fish in the backpack. Sorry,

689
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: that was terrible. And he got people out of there

690
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: and alerted authorities and they started clearing the area pretty

691
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: heavily and very quickly. Richard Jewels on the news as

692
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: a local hero, national hero, Yeah, national hero, and uh,

693
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: everything was going great until all of the next day

694
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: he was looked at as a person of interest. Like

695
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: the next day, apparently the a j C got a

696
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: scoop from the Atlanta p D that the FEDS and

697
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: everybody were starting to wonder if Richard Jewel wasn't the

698
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: type of guy who would plan a bomb in order

699
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: to put himself in a position of being a hero. Yeah,

700
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: they were like, he fits the profile. I remember all

701
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: that stuff going down. Yeah, And it's crazy how you

702
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: can see somebody differ finally when people like paining him

703
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: a certain way, you know, and like like he just

704
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: looked like he had that mustache. What's he hiding with

705
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: that mustache? Or his eyes are a little beady, aren't they?

706
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: And he had been charged with um in person agian officers.

707
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: So he's clearly like I want to be cop kind

708
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: of thing, and um he looked really bad. And then

709
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: finally in October, the FBI was like, Richard Jewel, now

710
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: now we cleared him. He's not a he's not a

711
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: person of interest. It was surely somebody else. But by

712
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: this time, Richard Jewel's name had been drugged through the

713
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: mud associated with a major act of terrorism at the

714
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: Olympics in the United States um for months before he

715
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: was cleared, and it was the damage was was very

716
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: much done. Yeah, of course everyone knows the real bomber

717
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: was Eric Rudolph uh. And again, you know, those four

718
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: months were really rough on Jewel and his family, and

719
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: even after he was cleared in October, it's like like

720
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: everyone knew he was cleared, but it's still one of

721
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: those things where like it's attached to his name, you know. Oh, yeah,

722
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: he entered he went from the suspect phase to the

723
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: late night talk show monologue joke phase. Yeah, that's not

724
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: a good transition. It isn't very Sadly, he died in

725
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and just the young age of forty four

726
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: from complications of diabetes. Yep, so he had it rough.

727
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: He got like a settlement from CNN in New York

728
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: Times for I guess over zealous and unfounded reporting maybe,

729
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: but um it was it was he did not have

730
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: like a great last part of his life, all right,

731
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: the last one folks breaking news. Josh emails me about

732
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before we recorder so and said, by the way,

733
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: the number one guy on the list is a fraud.

734
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: I said he maybe a fraud. I thought you said

735
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: he was a fraud. I'm trying to see away here. Okay, sorry,

736
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: it's not proven that he's a fraud, because well, well

737
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: let's just get into all this. Okay, Yeah, what's his name?

738
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: Selac front front, a slack front everywhere else I saw

739
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: at F, A, R and E. I don't know what

740
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: to believe anymore. I know, we've just lost touch with reality.

741
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: Charles So He has been dubbed the luckiest man in

742
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: the world for supposedly surviving seven brushes with death, ranging

743
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: from a train going into an icy river, two cars

744
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: going off of cliffs again into icy rivers, uh, cars

745
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: catching on fire, cars plunging off of cliffs, like so

746
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: much stuff that you're like, can this be true? Especially

747
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: the plane crash that went down where he supposedly was

748
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: sucked out of a door and landed on a haystack. Yeah,

749
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: before the plane crashed. That is this real it? So

750
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing. All of the starts in um, I

751
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: believe two thousand five. He buys a lottery ticket, wins

752
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: like a million dollar or a million euro lottery and

753
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: that happened. That definitely happened, And he was interviewed by

754
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the Scotsman, the newspaper, the Scotsman, and in this article

755
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you think it's lucky that I won

756
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: a million dollars, let me tell you about some of

757
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: the unlucky things that have happened to me. And he

758
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: starts reeling off these stories of like just narrowly escaping death,

759
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: and the Scotsman's like, wow, that's fantastic. We're going to

760
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: print this. And the Scotsman printed it, and all of

761
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: a sudden it started getting picked up by other news outlets,

762
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: another news outlets, another news outlets, and then finally and

763
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: one of these articles there was a commenter um who

764
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: identified himself as Friday Selec's son, who said, hey, um,

765
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: not one single journalist has ever independently verified a single

766
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: one of these stories. This guy is actually my father

767
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: and he has always wanted to be famous, so when

768
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: he was interviewed for winning the lottery, he saw his

769
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: chance and he made all of this up. Well, if

770
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: it was an internet commenter, it must be true exactly.

771
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: That's why I was c o a because it's like,

772
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: is that the only place you found that? Yes, but

773
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: the point remains correct. It has never been and none

774
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: of it has ever been independently verified, So it's not

775
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: entirely it's it's entirely possible that there he wasn't on

776
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: um any plane or in in a bus accident, or

777
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: that his car crash. It's not verified that he has been.

778
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: It hasn't been clearly shown that he hasn't been. It's

779
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: just this guy makes a really good point that this

780
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: dude who everybody says is the luckiest man in the world,

781
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: it's possible he made it all up. How can we

782
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: not get to the bottom of this? What do you mean? Well,

783
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean we found out the world is flat and

784
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: that they fake the moon landing through research. Why can't

785
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: we found out what happened with Frande Selac like you

786
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: and me specifically or immediately surely this you could find

787
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: this out right? Yeah, I guess you could. I think

788
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: no one's going to the trouble of doing it. It's

789
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: a good story that everybody likes. It's not really hurting

790
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: anything for him to be lying and for the lie

791
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: to be perpetuated. Um. It's more just it's this kind

792
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: of laziness among journalism, I guess, including us, because I

793
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: didn't go get to the bottom of it. I didn't

794
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: go independently verify any of his claims. Well, I did

795
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: see an article that uh. Is that where you saw it?

796
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: All that's interesting dot com? No, I didn't see it

797
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: on there. I don't w I don't remember where I

798
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: saw the article of the look go ahead. Well, there

799
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: was an article that talked about the fact that um

800
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: that mentioned the comment or whatever and the doubts. Yeah,

801
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: I think that's become kind of thing because there was

802
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: a viral um, a viral uh video that um that

803
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: made the rounds that was really really interesting, UM because

804
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: it's just this cute little animation of this guy's story

805
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: in his life. And UM, I guess I saw the

806
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: thing about him being being a possible hoax on BBC.

807
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: So if you put BBC together and all that's interesting,

808
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: you have legitimate fact, right, and I apologize for looking

809
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: at my phone right now, but I'm doing a real

810
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: time investigation and apparently some people have googled and these

811
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: plane crashes and things aren't documented, so it sounds like

812
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: it might be uh, it might be false claims. I

813
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, but even still, it's a great story.

814
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just the fact that this guy made up

815
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: all of this load of bs during an interview. It's

816
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: pretty layers one of the great improv comedians of all time. Right,

817
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: it's a good way to end things too, don't you

818
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: think so? Well? Thanks for joining us, everybody. Thanks for

819
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: putting on your smoking jacket and your house slippers, um,

820
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: putting on a nice um Berry white record, and uh,

821
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: relaxing with us. I hope you feel relaxed. Now, do

822
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: you feel relaxed? Chuckers? I do, and Jerry does obviously,

823
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: Jesus I know. Um, Well, if you want to know

824
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: more about the unluckiest people in the world, just go

825
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: look at stuff on the internet. May or may not

826
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: be true. Who really cares? Right? Uh? And since I

827
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: said that it's time for a listener mail, I'm going

828
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: to call this one a sort of an older one

829
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: that I forgot about so Apologies to Jessica Breslin because

830
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: I told her I would read this a month ago. Hey, guys,

831
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: love the recent episode on rape Kits, but wanted to

832
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: make a tiny correction about how the Golden State Killer

833
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: was called. Although there was a time that the Golden

834
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: State Killers DNA was part of the backlog, the DNA

835
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: had actually been identified and linked to his crime since

836
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: the nineties. The problem was they had no person to

837
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: compare it to. This change in two thousand eighteen when

838
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: they compared it to DNA submitted to a familial DNA base.

839
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: When a relative submitted their DNA to the familiar DNA site,

840
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: they were able to see that the DNA was related,

841
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: and from there were able to narrow down their suspects

842
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: to too likely family members. After narrowing it down to

843
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: those two, they're able to identify their suspect collect a

844
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: sample of his DNA to compare it to the Golden

845
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: State Killers. However, still good proof of my testing. Backlog

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