Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik f Daily with
Speaker 1: me your girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, which, folks,
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to just actively start turning this into
Speaker 1: a real bunker instead of just an apartment that I
Speaker 1: never leave because with New York on Friday having a
Speaker 1: motherfucking earthquake out of nowhere that last week. Let me
Speaker 1: just tell you about the weather in New York last week.
Speaker 1: We had an earthquake on Friday. Two days before that,
Speaker 1: there were sixty mile per hour winds that were rocking
Speaker 1: the buildings and on top of like fucking monsoon torrential downpour.
Speaker 1: Then somebody was posting up on social talking about Okay,
Speaker 1: so last year this time, we couldn't go outside because
Speaker 1: the sky turned yellow and orange right because of the wildfires.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, it is hazardous being outdoors, so
Speaker 1: I recommend y'all just stay where you are. Nonetheless, where
Speaker 1: are we in the world. You know, Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: still a criminal, His followers are in a cult. I
Speaker 1: don't really care about these court cases that I keep
Speaker 1: telling you about, even though I have to cover them
Speaker 1: because y'all should be up to date. But like do
Speaker 1: I give a damn not really, but I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the moves that happened at the end
Speaker 1: of last week as it pertained to Israel and Gaza.
Speaker 1: So I reported that Biden had a phone conversation with
Speaker 1: Netaniahu and following that conversation where he had said that
Speaker 1: he would begin to have conditional I guess send conditional
Speaker 1: bombs to Israel if he did not begin to open
Speaker 1: upanitarian corridors and let AID in right, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, magnificently, guess what started fucking happening. Oh,
Speaker 1: Humanitarian corridors started opening, food and medicine started to be
Speaker 1: able to get in. So explain to me why Biden
Speaker 1: waited until over thirty thousand Palestinians are dead, over almost
Speaker 1: two hundred, including the seven World Central Kitchen workers that
Speaker 1: were killed. Over two hundred humanitarian workers have been killed,
Speaker 1: not to mention the amount of journalists that have been killed,
Speaker 1: and journalists family members that have been killed, and doctors
Speaker 1: and nurses that have been killed. For Biden to start saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, you don't get a fucking blank check anymore,
Speaker 1: that you are not going to invade Rafa, You're going
Speaker 1: to open up humanitarian quarters and as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you're going to issue a cease fucking fire. Now we're
Speaker 1: done with this shit. So I, honestly, you know, I
Speaker 1: that horrific act of violence because it's not a mistake, right,
Speaker 1: There's nothing that Netanyahu and the IDF are doing that
Speaker 1: are mistakes. You don't make two hundred mistakes that kill
Speaker 1: humanitarian aid workers. You don't make thirty five thousand or
Speaker 1: so on mistakes that kill babies in nick U's These
Speaker 1: are not mistakes, and to call them such is a
Speaker 1: smack in the face to the loved ones that are
Speaker 1: still living. You say that all where we need to
Speaker 1: get the hostages out, there'll be no hostages left at
Speaker 1: the rate that this motherfucker is moving. So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, folks, whether or not what transpired last
Speaker 1: week will be a tipping point. It is a question
Speaker 1: that I continue to ask. Will it be the tipping point,
Speaker 1: the breaking point? What will it take for this situation
Speaker 1: to end? I don't know, but I do know that
Speaker 1: as of the time of this recording, aid is getting
Speaker 1: in to you know, the millions of people that are
Speaker 1: on the brink of famine because again, Just fyi, Israel
Speaker 1: is committing war crimes because weaponizing food and medicine are
Speaker 1: war crimes. Period. Coming up next, dear friends, my conversation
Speaker 1: with my friend Danielle Campomore. We talk about the situation
Speaker 1: around reproductive freedom, abortion, bodily autonomy, and where we think
Speaker 1: this issue is going to land as we get closer
Speaker 1: and closer to November, Folks, I am always thrilled when
Speaker 1: I have the opportunity to welcome Danielle Campomore, Journalists, activists,
Speaker 1: repro writes Guru on all of the things. Back to
Speaker 1: WOKF Daily. Danielle, you know, since we last spoke, my God,
Speaker 1: the assault on reproductive freedom on people with uteruses, on
Speaker 1: women just has been unrelenting, so much so that I'm
Speaker 1: finding myself just physically exhausted with trying to keep up
Speaker 1: with everything that is happening. Give me a picture of
Speaker 1: one A how you are doing and two how you
Speaker 1: are feeling about this? Just one lot of horrific legislation
Speaker 1: targeted at women and people with uteruses.
Speaker 2: Right Well, I mean I'm how I'm doing and feeling.
Speaker 2: It changes and varies between anger, fear, a lot more anger, frustration,
Speaker 2: and then there is a little bit of hope. The hope, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: is not coming from those in positions of power, but
Speaker 2: really from grassroots organizers and people on the ground who
Speaker 2: have been fighting the good fight for decades and certainly
Speaker 2: since the end of Roe v. Wade, and so look,
Speaker 2: I mean today Supreme Court heard oral arguments for the
Speaker 2: myth of Pristone case, which, if they decide to go
Speaker 2: in favor with the Texas Court, could curtail access to
Speaker 2: medication abortion nationwide. It will matter which state you live in,
Speaker 2: whether it's New York or Texas. That is scary, it's frightening,
Speaker 2: it's disheartening that. But as these attacks continue, and there's
Speaker 2: discussions about a nationwide abortion ban in addition to attacks
Speaker 2: on medication abortion, which amount to over sixty percent of
Speaker 2: abortions in this country. The current president and Democratic nominee
Speaker 2: Joe Biden can't bring himself to say the word abortion
Speaker 2: out loud and hasn't been able to since he's been
Speaker 2: running for office or been in office. And so to
Speaker 2: have these attacks happening shamelessly, you know, they say the
Speaker 2: quiet parts out loud all the time. Now they're coming
Speaker 2: after birth control, they're coming after IVF to have those
Speaker 2: in power who are saying, look, we care where pro choice,
Speaker 2: we care about pregnant people, we care about women, give
Speaker 2: these lackadaisical statements is disheartening. But there's people on the
Speaker 2: ground who are doing the work, and so that's kind
Speaker 2: of where my focus is even today. For Marie Clare,
Speaker 2: I was reporting on what was happening outside of Scotus
Speaker 2: during the arguments, and you had people who were dispensing
Speaker 2: mifipristone via robots as they called them, oroe bots, but
Speaker 2: robots that were being They had people in blue states
Speaker 2: who were protected from anti abortion laws managing these robots
Speaker 2: to hand out medication, as you know, a sign that look,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what a Supreme Court says, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what laws passed. We will be here and abortion
Speaker 2: will continue in this country, and we will be able
Speaker 2: to help people access that care. So that's the hope
Speaker 2: that I have when it comes to those in power,
Speaker 2: though that hope dindles significantly to damn near zero.
Speaker 1: You know, it's there are a couple of things, because
Speaker 1: I have been on the fence Danielle about the need
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden to say the word abortion and I've
Speaker 1: been on the fence about it because I'm just like
Speaker 1: for me and I do I want to I want
Speaker 1: to dig into it because words in narrative matter, and you're, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, your writer, your storyteller. And so for me,
Speaker 1: it was like for him, you know, State of the
Speaker 1: Union talk about, you know, taking away women's bodily autonomy,
Speaker 1: to talk about reproductive care. On the campaign trail, Vice
Speaker 1: President Harris says, abortion says, uterus says these things that
Speaker 1: are medically appropriate and yet so shocking. So tell me
Speaker 1: about the importance of the name and naming a thing
Speaker 1: to you, but also to the movement right now.
Speaker 2: Well, because it erases the stigma. And the reason why
Speaker 2: we're here right now is because in this country we
Speaker 2: have allowed, and by we, I mean those impositions of power,
Speaker 2: those as members of the media. Unfortunately, for that stigma
Speaker 2: to run so rampant for Republicans and anti abortion advocates
Speaker 2: who have no knowledge of pregnancy, of reproductive outcomes whatsoever,
Speaker 2: to control the narrative of abortion care, to control the
Speaker 2: narrative what it means to have an abortion out feels
Speaker 2: to have an abortion, and they're patently false, their outright
Speaker 2: lies but we haven't been forceful enough in speaking truth
Speaker 2: to power and to holding those in power, you know,
Speaker 2: to make them speak that truth as well. And so
Speaker 2: I think saying the word abortion, discussing abortion accurately, honestly
Speaker 2: is vital.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely vital.
Speaker 2: We had an hours of the Supreme Court listening to
Speaker 2: an argument that is based off of a complete medical fallacy,
Speaker 2: of total misinformation medication. Abortion is safer than viagra, penicillin, thailenal,
Speaker 2: and yet we are having justices debate over whether or
Speaker 2: not it's causing harm. I mean, it's just outrageous. And
Speaker 2: there's so many things that has brought us to this point,
Speaker 2: one of them being our inability or just people deciding
Speaker 2: not to discuss abortion honestly say the word out loud
Speaker 2: and be candid about what it means to have an
Speaker 2: abortion in this country. And you know, we've talked about
Speaker 2: this so much, and like you said, representation, being accurate
Speaker 2: in word is important. One way is that they could
Speaker 2: do that, and we did see him do that at
Speaker 2: the State of the Union. Is to center the people
Speaker 2: who have abortions, that's black and brown women. We should
Speaker 2: be putting them on television. We should be handing them
Speaker 2: the microphone, and we should be listening to them and
Speaker 2: following their leaders to what we can do to save
Speaker 2: not only abortion access in this country, but democracy in
Speaker 2: this country, because without bodily autonomy, democracy just straight up
Speaker 2: does not exist. And so those themes are completely interconnected,
Speaker 2: and that is something that Biden can do. He talks
Speaker 2: a lot about our need to save the democracy of
Speaker 2: this country, that this is what the upcoming election is about,
Speaker 2: and I agree. But in order to save democracy, that's
Speaker 2: not just keeping Trump and a bunch of fascists out
Speaker 2: of the White House. It's also about making sure that
Speaker 2: everybody has complete and full control over their body and
Speaker 2: the decisions that they make regarding their reproductive health and
Speaker 2: the outcomes of their pregnancies. Those themes are inexplicably linked.
Speaker 2: You cannot separate one from the other, and yet this
Speaker 2: president and does at times. And so that's just again
Speaker 2: another way in which when you hand the microphone over
Speaker 2: to those who've done this work, the black and brown,
Speaker 2: Indigenous LGBTQ plus people who are on the ground every day,
Speaker 2: we would have more accurate representations. We would have this
Speaker 2: more forceful pushback against these erroneous outrageous attacks on abortion care.
Speaker 1: When you talk about handing over the mic and listening
Speaker 1: to those that are on the ground lead and listening
Speaker 1: to black and brown people, black and brown women, and
Speaker 1: people with uteruses, it feels like a constant refrain that
Speaker 1: just is never listen to right, like by you know,
Speaker 1: like it just it's a constant refrain. We know who
Speaker 1: came out and saved democracy and saved Joe Biden's candidacy
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and yet now with an assault literally
Speaker 1: everywhere and on everything, we still and bye we I
Speaker 1: don't not us, but like the mainstream media and the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, I think the establishment still doesn't listen, right,
Speaker 1: And so I wonder, Danielle, like we are just seven
Speaker 1: months away from the November twenty twenty four presidential election.
Speaker 1: What we've seen is that every time that abortion has
Speaker 1: been on the ballot in states, it has won. Right
Speaker 1: that the people have come out this election, there is
Speaker 1: just I mean, I can't I can't list all of
Speaker 1: the ways, all of the things that are riding on
Speaker 1: this election, abortion being one, you know, of the many,
Speaker 1: Is it enough in your mind? Do you think to
Speaker 1: rouse a very seemingly apathetic and at times fairly hopeless electorate.
Speaker 2: I guess it kind of depends on which day you
Speaker 2: asked me that question. That's fair find the late. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to find the light here too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's some days where I'm like, I don't know. There's
Speaker 2: other days where I'm like, you know what, yes, I
Speaker 2: think so. Unfortunately, we have seen in this country white
Speaker 2: women who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen and who
Speaker 2: are now living in states where they don't have access
Speaker 2: to abortion care, and they're realizing that this does impact
Speaker 2: me and my daughter, and my wife and my sister,
Speaker 2: and that it isn't just about ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Speaker 2: It's also about managing miscarriages. It's about managing high risk pregnancies.
Speaker 2: And now, all of a us sudden they are involved.
Speaker 2: They are working tirelessly to try and get these ballots passed.
Speaker 2: I wish that they would abandon their party altogether. This
Speaker 2: notion that somehow the Republican you can do this work
Speaker 2: within the Republican Party when the Republican Party has become
Speaker 2: the Party of Trump is.
Speaker 3: Laughable to me at best.
Speaker 2: But I am seeing that shift, and unfortunately, as I said,
Speaker 2: a lot of people only care when they realize that
Speaker 2: this will impact me. That prior to so many of
Speaker 2: these states ending access to abortion care, it was those
Speaker 2: that were living in poverty, black, brown, and Indigenous people
Speaker 2: who were most harmed by anti abortion laws. Well, now
Speaker 2: that it's expanding to include women in suburbs and white
Speaker 2: women who go to PTA meetings and.
Speaker 3: Xyz, so I think that it is possible.
Speaker 2: But again, it is about the messaging, and unfortunately the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party fails to be as forceful.
Speaker 3: As I know it can and be in. It shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Like you said, there's so much writing on this upcoming
Speaker 2: presidential election, everything from economy to your mental health, to democracy,
Speaker 2: ability to vote, ability to work, ability to maintain your home,
Speaker 2: all those themes are all also connected to abortion. So
Speaker 2: if this president wants to speak to people who are
Speaker 2: worried about their economics, talk about what happens to someone
Speaker 2: if they're denied abortion care. They're more likely to live
Speaker 2: in poverty, They're more likely to not be able to
Speaker 2: afford food.
Speaker 3: For their children.
Speaker 2: If you care about child education, let's talk about how
Speaker 2: if a parent is denied abortion care, the children they
Speaker 2: already have or more likely to experience developmental delays than
Speaker 2: those who are children of parents who were able to
Speaker 2: end pregnancies that they weren't ready to carry to term.
Speaker 2: All these themes, you can talk about those themes and
Speaker 2: abortion be even more galvanizing than it already is. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: this current president doesn't do that as often as he could,
Speaker 2: and I think he can if they give the mic
Speaker 2: to those who know these these experiences, who've lived them,
Speaker 2: who've done the work, who help people day in and
Speaker 2: day out access the care that they need, even in
Speaker 2: a post row world where you risk possible hospitalization if
Speaker 2: you're not able to obtain the care you need when
Speaker 2: you need it, or legal action, And so I do
Speaker 2: believe that it could work, and I really really need
Speaker 2: to hope that it is enough. I think it just
Speaker 2: depends on how forceful this Democratic Party is truly willing
Speaker 2: to fight for democracy, for bodily autonomy, and for their
Speaker 2: electric for the people who saved this country in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Do you think that people have a really clear picture.
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation last night on another podcast,
Speaker 1: and I away was asked this question of do you
Speaker 1: think that people really understand the average person understands what
Speaker 1: is at risk in this election. And I will tell
Speaker 1: you that every time that I see quote unquote average
Speaker 1: people get interviewed on cable news, I'm like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: fucked right. Like it's just like the conversation is so
Speaker 1: devoid of facts and logic and reality that I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: But do you think that the average person does get
Speaker 1: it right? Like, does understand if they know nothing else about,
Speaker 1: you know, about how politics works, that they understand what's
Speaker 1: at what's at risk, especially with the moves that Alabama
Speaker 1: has made with IVF and you know, embryonic individuals and
Speaker 1: like all of this shit that people are just like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is crazy, right. I know somebody
Speaker 1: that used IVF to get pregnant. I got used IVF
Speaker 1: to get pregnant. Like, do you think folks get it?
Speaker 2: I think more and more people are. And I think
Speaker 2: what we've seen in a post real world is how
Speaker 2: powerful other people's stories are. And I think that's what's
Speaker 2: really making people get it. It's not necessarily statistics or
Speaker 2: unfortunately even just the obvious nature of Trump and his
Speaker 2: allies that you can point to the themes. He says,
Speaker 2: points to his rallies and people still seem to want
Speaker 2: to have this intellectual disconnect and to live in this
Speaker 2: alternate reality in which he doesn't pose the threat that
Speaker 2: he tells them he is going.
Speaker 3: To be like the things that he's going to do.
Speaker 2: But what I have seen as a reporter on the
Speaker 2: ground and speaking to people is people are so moved
Speaker 2: by stories because they see themselves and others. And again, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I think we're kind of in this current political climate
Speaker 2: where for me, not for thee if it upsets me
Speaker 2: or if it impacts me now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I care. But if it was for that, well, then
Speaker 2: you know, I guess at someone else's problem where it
Speaker 2: might not be as dire as they're saying.
Speaker 3: And so I do.
Speaker 2: I think that more and more people are getting it.
Speaker 2: And I think as long as we elevate those stories
Speaker 2: and we keep again passing that mic, then more more
Speaker 2: people will come to understand just really what is at stake.
Speaker 2: I know very few people on either side of the
Speaker 2: aisle who can listen to a story about someone being
Speaker 2: told to wait in a hospital parking lot until they're
Speaker 2: close to death to receive care. Who isn't moved by that,
Speaker 2: Who isn't saying, hold up, wait a minute, what's happening
Speaker 2: and why is this happening. I don't know very many
Speaker 2: people who can listen to someone who has their embryos
Speaker 2: sitting somewhere and now they can't access them because they're
Speaker 2: apparently no longer theirs. Like, it's just that's mind blowing
Speaker 2: and people people are being moved by that. I do
Speaker 2: think though, that again, because we've contained in the media
Speaker 2: specifically kind of safeguarded who goes to talk about these issues,
Speaker 2: who comes on air to talk about abortion, for example,
Speaker 2: people do get kind of burnt out. I think if
Speaker 2: we had more abortion providers, more people who've had abortions,
Speaker 2: more abortion care workers who were really centered, more people
Speaker 2: would understand.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's no end to what they're going after.
Speaker 1: And I think that that too, has become really terrifying.
Speaker 1: Is that, you know, oh, it was row, but I
Speaker 1: live in a blue state, so I'm fine. Oh now
Speaker 1: it's IVF. Oh now it's mifipristone. Oh now it's going
Speaker 1: to be birth control, all forms of birth control. Now
Speaker 1: it's going to be you know, until women and people
Speaker 1: with uteruses literally have no control over their futures, over
Speaker 1: their lives over their economic well being, Like then they'll
Speaker 1: be done, right, And I think that that they'll be
Speaker 1: done is coming sooner than people honestly want to imagine.
Speaker 1: And so I just want to ask you, you know,
Speaker 1: final question for you, which is if the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: does now overturn a twenty three year FDA approved access
Speaker 1: to a medication one to me everything, every medication, everything
Speaker 1: and is up and the FDA now no longer has
Speaker 1: any teeth or power, which is should be terrifying again
Speaker 1: for any anyone if that happens. What's what's the picture
Speaker 1: that you see in America leading up to like what
Speaker 1: what's what's what's the image? What's the landscape?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know to your point, that will
Speaker 2: never be done. And I think we need to make
Speaker 2: it perfectly clear that these attacks existed long before or
Speaker 2: Roby Wade was overturned. They've always gone after IBF, they've
Speaker 2: always gone after birth control, iud's emergency contraception. That has
Speaker 2: been the goal from the beginning. And these attacks aren't
Speaker 2: anything new. But I know they won't be done. They'll
Speaker 2: keep going because and this is what gives me hope,
Speaker 2: those who believe in bodily autonomy and true freedom in
Speaker 2: this country aren't going to be done either. And again,
Speaker 2: in speaking to people outside of the Supreme Court today,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what the Supreme Court does. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: There will always be people who will provide abortion care
Speaker 2: outside the confines of the law. And thankfully, medication abortion
Speaker 2: is so safe that people will be able to end
Speaker 2: their pregnancies at home and they won't be put in
Speaker 2: harm's way as a result. Physically, of course, there will
Speaker 2: be the fear of legal reciprocity and that is terrifying
Speaker 2: and everyone needs to be aware of that that there
Speaker 2: this won't end with access to abortion care, access to
Speaker 2: medication abortion, access to birth control. There is a specific
Speaker 2: way in which the Republican parties seems to want women
Speaker 2: and people with the capacity to get pregnant to live
Speaker 2: their lives uh barefoot in the kitchen, without the ability
Speaker 2: to have financial freedom or freedom over their own bodies,
Speaker 2: the freedom to work outside the home, the freedom to
Speaker 2: divorce someone if they want. And so I think that
Speaker 2: that needs to be at the forefront of people's minds.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've we've been talking about this, and
Speaker 2: you've spent your career talking about and raising the alarm,
Speaker 2: and oftentimes we're told that we're being hyperbolic, that this
Speaker 2: this is where this just hold on, we're being a
Speaker 2: little crazy here, this is this isn't really going to happen. Okay,
Speaker 2: so Trump wins in twenty sixteen, he won't really overturn
Speaker 2: Roby Wade, never going to happen, and then it does.
Speaker 2: So when people are giving these warnings, this isn't because
Speaker 2: they're being ridiculous or emotional, or this is born out
Speaker 2: of fact. This is listening to what the Republican Party
Speaker 2: is saying and has been saying. And I wish that
Speaker 2: more of these warnings were coming from men and men
Speaker 2: in position of power who aren't going to receive the
Speaker 2: same sexist response as the women often do when they
Speaker 2: raise the alarm and are the canary and the cool
Speaker 2: minds of these threats against democracy and personal freedom and
Speaker 2: bodily autonomy, which again just circles back to the president
Speaker 2: can do more than the lackluster support that he has
Speaker 2: for the ability to access abortion care if you want,
Speaker 2: you know, even comments about well, I don't personally believe
Speaker 2: in it because I'm Catholic, but I don't think that. Well, Okay,
Speaker 2: Catholics get abortions too, so again, it's just he has
Speaker 2: the ability to do more. Men in position of power
Speaker 2: of ability to do more. The Democratic Party as a
Speaker 2: whole is the ability to do more. And if they
Speaker 2: raise the alarm at the same frequency as those on
Speaker 2: the ground, as women, as people who have been getting
Speaker 2: abortions and providing abortions have been raising the alarm for decades,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you we wouldn't be here and we certainly
Speaker 2: would be in a better position to fight these ongoing
Speaker 2: attacks that, to your point, will not end. The Republican
Speaker 2: Party will not stop at XYZ type thing. There is
Speaker 2: no finish line for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, Danielle, my friend, we will leave it here today
Speaker 1: and check back in with you in a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks when when we know the result of this of
Speaker 1: this case and how it's going to affect all fifty
Speaker 1: states red and blue. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, my friend. Yep, let's uh, we'll walk
Speaker 2: through this dark period together.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke
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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck,