WEBVTT - Erasing the Stigma 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.440 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik f Daily with 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.799 me your girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, which, folks, 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.919 I'm actually going to just actively start turning this into 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.040 a real bunker instead of just an apartment that I 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.080 never leave because with New York on Friday having a 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.000 motherfucking earthquake out of nowhere that last week. Let me 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.120 just tell you about the weather in New York last week. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.120 We had an earthquake on Friday. Two days before that, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.760 there were sixty mile per hour winds that were rocking 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.720 the buildings and on top of like fucking monsoon torrential downpour. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.880 Then somebody was posting up on social talking about Okay, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.640 so last year this time, we couldn't go outside because 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.760 the sky turned yellow and orange right because of the wildfires. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.560 I'm just like, yo, it is hazardous being outdoors, so 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:10.880 I recommend y'all just stay where you are. Nonetheless, where 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.720 are we in the world. You know, Donald Trump is 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.039 still a criminal, His followers are in a cult. I 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.240 don't really care about these court cases that I keep 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.320 telling you about, even though I have to cover them 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.240 because y'all should be up to date. But like do 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.160 I give a damn not really, but I do want 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.360 to talk about the moves that happened at the end 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:35.480 of last week as it pertained to Israel and Gaza. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:42.240 So I reported that Biden had a phone conversation with 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:49.000 Netaniahu and following that conversation where he had said that 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:55.520 he would begin to have conditional I guess send conditional 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.400 bombs to Israel if he did not begin to open 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:05.760 upanitarian corridors and let AID in right, and then all 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:12.760 of a sudden, magnificently, guess what started fucking happening. Oh, 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:17.240 Humanitarian corridors started opening, food and medicine started to be 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:24.280 able to get in. So explain to me why Biden 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:30.880 waited until over thirty thousand Palestinians are dead, over almost 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.480 two hundred, including the seven World Central Kitchen workers that 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.640 were killed. Over two hundred humanitarian workers have been killed, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:46.200 not to mention the amount of journalists that have been killed, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.799 and journalists family members that have been killed, and doctors 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.800 and nurses that have been killed. For Biden to start saying, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.000 you know what, you don't get a fucking blank check anymore, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.480 that you are not going to invade Rafa, You're going 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.359 to open up humanitarian quarters and as a matter of fact, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.160 you're going to issue a cease fucking fire. Now we're 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:16.160 done with this shit. So I, honestly, you know, I 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:22.440 that horrific act of violence because it's not a mistake, right, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.400 There's nothing that Netanyahu and the IDF are doing that 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.399 are mistakes. You don't make two hundred mistakes that kill 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.960 humanitarian aid workers. You don't make thirty five thousand or 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.760 so on mistakes that kill babies in nick U's These 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:42.880 are not mistakes, and to call them such is a 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.400 smack in the face to the loved ones that are 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.720 still living. You say that all where we need to 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.480 get the hostages out, there'll be no hostages left at 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:00.440 the rate that this motherfucker is moving. So you know, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.640 I don't know, folks, whether or not what transpired last 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.760 week will be a tipping point. It is a question 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.760 that I continue to ask. Will it be the tipping point, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.360 the breaking point? What will it take for this situation 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.479 to end? I don't know, but I do know that 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:25.279 as of the time of this recording, aid is getting 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.600 in to you know, the millions of people that are 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:35.799 on the brink of famine because again, Just fyi, Israel 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:41.800 is committing war crimes because weaponizing food and medicine are 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:51.360 war crimes. Period. Coming up next, dear friends, my conversation 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:56.960 with my friend Danielle Campomore. We talk about the situation 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:03.520 around reproductive freedom, abortion, bodily autonomy, and where we think 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.160 this issue is going to land as we get closer 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:13.680 and closer to November, Folks, I am always thrilled when 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.159 I have the opportunity to welcome Danielle Campomore, Journalists, activists, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.960 repro writes Guru on all of the things. Back to 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:28.920 WOKF Daily. Danielle, you know, since we last spoke, my God, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:35.039 the assault on reproductive freedom on people with uteruses, on 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:40.159 women just has been unrelenting, so much so that I'm 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.760 finding myself just physically exhausted with trying to keep up 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.960 with everything that is happening. Give me a picture of 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:55.480 one A how you are doing and two how you 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:02.880 are feeling about this? Just one lot of horrific legislation 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.960 targeted at women and people with uteruses. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.799 Right Well, I mean I'm how I'm doing and feeling. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:18.680 It changes and varies between anger, fear, a lot more anger, frustration, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:23.280 and then there is a little bit of hope. The hope, unfortunately, 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.440 is not coming from those in positions of power, but 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.280 really from grassroots organizers and people on the ground who 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:33.000 have been fighting the good fight for decades and certainly 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.919 since the end of Roe v. Wade, and so look, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.640 I mean today Supreme Court heard oral arguments for the 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:45.480 myth of Pristone case, which, if they decide to go 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.680 in favor with the Texas Court, could curtail access to 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.960 medication abortion nationwide. It will matter which state you live in, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.280 whether it's New York or Texas. That is scary, it's frightening, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.080 it's disheartening that. But as these attacks continue, and there's 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:06.400 discussions about a nationwide abortion ban in addition to attacks 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.640 on medication abortion, which amount to over sixty percent of 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:16.400 abortions in this country. The current president and Democratic nominee 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.640 Joe Biden can't bring himself to say the word abortion 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.680 out loud and hasn't been able to since he's been 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.320 running for office or been in office. And so to 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.840 have these attacks happening shamelessly, you know, they say the 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.040 quiet parts out loud all the time. Now they're coming 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.640 after birth control, they're coming after IVF to have those 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:42.520 in power who are saying, look, we care where pro choice, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.680 we care about pregnant people, we care about women, give 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:52.080 these lackadaisical statements is disheartening. But there's people on the 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.920 ground who are doing the work, and so that's kind 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.160 of where my focus is even today. For Marie Clare, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.000 I was reporting on what was happening outside of Scotus 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.600 during the arguments, and you had people who were dispensing 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:10.240 mifipristone via robots as they called them, oroe bots, but 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.560 robots that were being They had people in blue states 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.840 who were protected from anti abortion laws managing these robots 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.280 to hand out medication, as you know, a sign that look, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.600 it doesn't matter what a Supreme Court says, it doesn't 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.880 matter what laws passed. We will be here and abortion 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.319 will continue in this country, and we will be able 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.200 to help people access that care. So that's the hope 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.360 that I have when it comes to those in power, 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.920 though that hope dindles significantly to damn near zero. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.480 You know, it's there are a couple of things, because 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:50.600 I have been on the fence Danielle about the need 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:55.679 for Joe Biden to say the word abortion and I've 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.880 been on the fence about it because I'm just like 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.800 for me and I do I want to I want 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.160 to dig into it because words in narrative matter, and you're, uh, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.600 you know, your writer, your storyteller. And so for me, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.720 it was like for him, you know, State of the 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.960 Union talk about, you know, taking away women's bodily autonomy, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:21.400 to talk about reproductive care. On the campaign trail, Vice 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:26.000 President Harris says, abortion says, uterus says these things that 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:32.040 are medically appropriate and yet so shocking. So tell me 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:37.120 about the importance of the name and naming a thing 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.760 to you, but also to the movement right now. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.199 Well, because it erases the stigma. And the reason why 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.600 we're here right now is because in this country we 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.880 have allowed, and by we, I mean those impositions of power, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.120 those as members of the media. Unfortunately, for that stigma 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.319 to run so rampant for Republicans and anti abortion advocates 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.320 who have no knowledge of pregnancy, of reproductive outcomes whatsoever, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.439 to control the narrative of abortion care, to control the 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.600 narrative what it means to have an abortion out feels 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.600 to have an abortion, and they're patently false, their outright 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.640 lies but we haven't been forceful enough in speaking truth 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.320 to power and to holding those in power, you know, 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.360 to make them speak that truth as well. And so 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.600 I think saying the word abortion, discussing abortion accurately, honestly 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.000 is vital. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.560 It's absolutely vital. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.360 We had an hours of the Supreme Court listening to 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.559 an argument that is based off of a complete medical fallacy, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:43.559 of total misinformation medication. Abortion is safer than viagra, penicillin, thailenal, 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:48.959 and yet we are having justices debate over whether or 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.400 not it's causing harm. I mean, it's just outrageous. And 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.920 there's so many things that has brought us to this point, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.320 one of them being our inability or just people deciding 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.920 not to discuss abortion honestly say the word out loud 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.120 and be candid about what it means to have an 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.720 abortion in this country. And you know, we've talked about 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.640 this so much, and like you said, representation, being accurate 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.880 in word is important. One way is that they could 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.120 do that, and we did see him do that at 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.280 the State of the Union. Is to center the people 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.240 who have abortions, that's black and brown women. We should 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.440 be putting them on television. We should be handing them 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.600 the microphone, and we should be listening to them and 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.160 following their leaders to what we can do to save 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.040 not only abortion access in this country, but democracy in 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.319 this country, because without bodily autonomy, democracy just straight up 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.280 does not exist. And so those themes are completely interconnected, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.920 and that is something that Biden can do. He talks 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.920 a lot about our need to save the democracy of 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.400 this country, that this is what the upcoming election is about, 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.560 and I agree. But in order to save democracy, that's 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.160 not just keeping Trump and a bunch of fascists out 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.640 of the White House. It's also about making sure that 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.920 everybody has complete and full control over their body and 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.280 the decisions that they make regarding their reproductive health and 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.160 the outcomes of their pregnancies. Those themes are inexplicably linked. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.319 You cannot separate one from the other, and yet this 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:23.160 president and does at times. And so that's just again 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.240 another way in which when you hand the microphone over 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.559 to those who've done this work, the black and brown, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.120 Indigenous LGBTQ plus people who are on the ground every day, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.640 we would have more accurate representations. We would have this 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:41.480 more forceful pushback against these erroneous outrageous attacks on abortion care. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.760 When you talk about handing over the mic and listening 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.679 to those that are on the ground lead and listening 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.200 to black and brown people, black and brown women, and 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.040 people with uteruses, it feels like a constant refrain that 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.760 just is never listen to right, like by you know, 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.280 like it just it's a constant refrain. We know who 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:12.880 came out and saved democracy and saved Joe Biden's candidacy 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.960 in twenty twenty and yet now with an assault literally 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.560 everywhere and on everything, we still and bye we I 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.600 don't not us, but like the mainstream media and the 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.960 Democratic Party, I think the establishment still doesn't listen, right, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:36.120 And so I wonder, Danielle, like we are just seven 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:41.680 months away from the November twenty twenty four presidential election. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.240 What we've seen is that every time that abortion has 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.760 been on the ballot in states, it has won. Right 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.920 that the people have come out this election, there is 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.960 just I mean, I can't I can't list all of 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.000 the ways, all of the things that are riding on 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:07.520 this election, abortion being one, you know, of the many, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.560 Is it enough in your mind? Do you think to 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:20.000 rouse a very seemingly apathetic and at times fairly hopeless electorate. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.520 I guess it kind of depends on which day you 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.840 asked me that question. That's fair find the late. I'm 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.040 trying to find the light here too. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:29.280 You know. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.560 There's some days where I'm like, I don't know. There's 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.280 other days where I'm like, you know what, yes, I 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.360 think so. Unfortunately, we have seen in this country white 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.560 women who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen and who 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.680 are now living in states where they don't have access 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.880 to abortion care, and they're realizing that this does impact 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.640 me and my daughter, and my wife and my sister, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.760 and that it isn't just about ending an unwanted pregnancy. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.960 It's also about managing miscarriages. It's about managing high risk pregnancies. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.600 And now, all of a us sudden they are involved. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.640 They are working tirelessly to try and get these ballots passed. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.880 I wish that they would abandon their party altogether. This 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.920 notion that somehow the Republican you can do this work 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.760 within the Republican Party when the Republican Party has become 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.160 the Party of Trump is. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.600 Laughable to me at best. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.560 But I am seeing that shift, and unfortunately, as I said, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.960 a lot of people only care when they realize that 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.920 this will impact me. That prior to so many of 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:36.360 these states ending access to abortion care, it was those 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.600 that were living in poverty, black, brown, and Indigenous people 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.080 who were most harmed by anti abortion laws. Well, now 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.680 that it's expanding to include women in suburbs and white 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.280 women who go to PTA meetings and. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.080 Xyz, so I think that it is possible. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.680 But again, it is about the messaging, and unfortunately the 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.680 Democratic Party fails to be as forceful. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.240 As I know it can and be in. It shouldn't be. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.920 Like you said, there's so much writing on this upcoming 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:14.040 presidential election, everything from economy to your mental health, to democracy, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:19.680 ability to vote, ability to work, ability to maintain your home, 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.320 all those themes are all also connected to abortion. So 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.240 if this president wants to speak to people who are 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.600 worried about their economics, talk about what happens to someone 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.040 if they're denied abortion care. They're more likely to live 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.600 in poverty, They're more likely to not be able to 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:35.520 afford food. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:36.000 For their children. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.120 If you care about child education, let's talk about how 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.440 if a parent is denied abortion care, the children they 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.080 already have or more likely to experience developmental delays than 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.400 those who are children of parents who were able to 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.960 end pregnancies that they weren't ready to carry to term. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.640 All these themes, you can talk about those themes and 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:00.000 abortion be even more galvanizing than it already is. Unfortunately, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.359 this current president doesn't do that as often as he could, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.960 and I think he can if they give the mic 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.800 to those who know these these experiences, who've lived them, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.679 who've done the work, who help people day in and 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.280 day out access the care that they need, even in 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.560 a post row world where you risk possible hospitalization if 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.119 you're not able to obtain the care you need when 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.159 you need it, or legal action, And so I do 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:35.439 believe that it could work, and I really really need 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.960 to hope that it is enough. I think it just 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.960 depends on how forceful this Democratic Party is truly willing 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:50.840 to fight for democracy, for bodily autonomy, and for their 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:55.200 electric for the people who saved this country in twenty twenty. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:18:00.600 Do you think that people have a really clear picture. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.520 I was having a conversation last night on another podcast, 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.879 and I away was asked this question of do you 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:13.760 think that people really understand the average person understands what 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.040 is at risk in this election. And I will tell 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.560 you that every time that I see quote unquote average 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.200 people get interviewed on cable news, I'm like, oh, we're 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.199 fucked right. Like it's just like the conversation is so 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.840 devoid of facts and logic and reality that I'm just like, okay, 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.520 But do you think that the average person does get 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.760 it right? Like, does understand if they know nothing else about, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.800 you know, about how politics works, that they understand what's 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.600 at what's at risk, especially with the moves that Alabama 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.720 has made with IVF and you know, embryonic individuals and 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.960 like all of this shit that people are just like, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.960 wait a minute, this is crazy, right. I know somebody 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.920 that used IVF to get pregnant. I got used IVF 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.600 to get pregnant. Like, do you think folks get it? 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.359 I think more and more people are. And I think 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.160 what we've seen in a post real world is how 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.520 powerful other people's stories are. And I think that's what's 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:21.800 really making people get it. It's not necessarily statistics or 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:26.520 unfortunately even just the obvious nature of Trump and his 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.240 allies that you can point to the themes. He says, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.120 points to his rallies and people still seem to want 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.959 to have this intellectual disconnect and to live in this 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.280 alternate reality in which he doesn't pose the threat that 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.000 he tells them he is going. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:40.960 To be like the things that he's going to do. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.960 But what I have seen as a reporter on the 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.879 ground and speaking to people is people are so moved 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.840 by stories because they see themselves and others. And again, unfortunately, 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.280 I think we're kind of in this current political climate 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.040 where for me, not for thee if it upsets me 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.080 or if it impacts me now all of a sudden, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:00.840 I care. But if it was for that, well, then 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.359 you know, I guess at someone else's problem where it 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.720 might not be as dire as they're saying. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.240 And so I do. 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.040 I think that more and more people are getting it. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.880 And I think as long as we elevate those stories 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.200 and we keep again passing that mic, then more more 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.480 people will come to understand just really what is at stake. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.520 I know very few people on either side of the 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.720 aisle who can listen to a story about someone being 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.320 told to wait in a hospital parking lot until they're 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.080 close to death to receive care. Who isn't moved by that, 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.520 Who isn't saying, hold up, wait a minute, what's happening 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.840 and why is this happening. I don't know very many 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.000 people who can listen to someone who has their embryos 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.880 sitting somewhere and now they can't access them because they're 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:47.480 apparently no longer theirs. Like, it's just that's mind blowing 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.600 and people people are being moved by that. I do 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:56.760 think though, that again, because we've contained in the media 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.320 specifically kind of safeguarded who goes to talk about these issues, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.480 who comes on air to talk about abortion, for example, 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.000 people do get kind of burnt out. I think if 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.280 we had more abortion providers, more people who've had abortions, 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:16.600 more abortion care workers who were really centered, more people 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.280 would understand. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.720 I feel like there's no end to what they're going after. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:32.080 And I think that that too, has become really terrifying. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.760 Is that, you know, oh, it was row, but I 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.080 live in a blue state, so I'm fine. Oh now 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:44.040 it's IVF. Oh now it's mifipristone. Oh now it's going 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.960 to be birth control, all forms of birth control. Now 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.280 it's going to be you know, until women and people 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:55.120 with uteruses literally have no control over their futures, over 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.960 their lives over their economic well being, Like then they'll 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.720 be done, right, And I think that that they'll be 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:07.639 done is coming sooner than people honestly want to imagine. 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.080 And so I just want to ask you, you know, 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:14.880 final question for you, which is if the Supreme Court 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:22.240 does now overturn a twenty three year FDA approved access 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:28.480 to a medication one to me everything, every medication, everything 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:34.120 and is up and the FDA now no longer has 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:39.080 any teeth or power, which is should be terrifying again 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:45.320 for any anyone if that happens. What's what's the picture 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.880 that you see in America leading up to like what 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:52.520 what's what's what's the image? What's the landscape? 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.600 Well, I think you know to your point, that will 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.080 never be done. And I think we need to make 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.280 it perfectly clear that these attacks existed long before or 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.720 Roby Wade was overturned. They've always gone after IBF, they've 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:08.600 always gone after birth control, iud's emergency contraception. That has 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.040 been the goal from the beginning. And these attacks aren't 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.440 anything new. But I know they won't be done. They'll 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.800 keep going because and this is what gives me hope, 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.960 those who believe in bodily autonomy and true freedom in 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.920 this country aren't going to be done either. And again, 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.320 in speaking to people outside of the Supreme Court today, 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.359 it doesn't matter what the Supreme Court does. It doesn't matter. 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.880 There will always be people who will provide abortion care 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:41.159 outside the confines of the law. And thankfully, medication abortion 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.000 is so safe that people will be able to end 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.199 their pregnancies at home and they won't be put in 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:49.920 harm's way as a result. Physically, of course, there will 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:55.320 be the fear of legal reciprocity and that is terrifying 0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:00.240 and everyone needs to be aware of that that there 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:04.920 this won't end with access to abortion care, access to 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:11.119 medication abortion, access to birth control. There is a specific 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.080 way in which the Republican parties seems to want women 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.120 and people with the capacity to get pregnant to live 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:22.760 their lives uh barefoot in the kitchen, without the ability 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.240 to have financial freedom or freedom over their own bodies, 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.000 the freedom to work outside the home, the freedom to 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.960 divorce someone if they want. And so I think that 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.080 that needs to be at the forefront of people's minds. 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.199 And you know, we've we've been talking about this, and 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:44.840 you've spent your career talking about and raising the alarm, 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:50.719 and oftentimes we're told that we're being hyperbolic, that this 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.960 this is where this just hold on, we're being a 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:59.399 little crazy here, this is this isn't really going to happen. Okay, 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.480 so Trump wins in twenty sixteen, he won't really overturn 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:07.359 Roby Wade, never going to happen, and then it does. 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:12.320 So when people are giving these warnings, this isn't because 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:19.000 they're being ridiculous or emotional, or this is born out 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.720 of fact. This is listening to what the Republican Party 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.720 is saying and has been saying. And I wish that 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:30.200 more of these warnings were coming from men and men 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.520 in position of power who aren't going to receive the 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:37.400 same sexist response as the women often do when they 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.920 raise the alarm and are the canary and the cool 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.720 minds of these threats against democracy and personal freedom and 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:47.400 bodily autonomy, which again just circles back to the president 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:51.560 can do more than the lackluster support that he has 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:55.480 for the ability to access abortion care if you want, 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:59.359 you know, even comments about well, I don't personally believe 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.879 in it because I'm Catholic, but I don't think that. Well, Okay, 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:07.280 Catholics get abortions too, so again, it's just he has 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.000 the ability to do more. Men in position of power 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.119 of ability to do more. The Democratic Party as a 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.360 whole is the ability to do more. And if they 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:18.600 raise the alarm at the same frequency as those on 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.960 the ground, as women, as people who have been getting 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:25.640 abortions and providing abortions have been raising the alarm for decades, 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.680