1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: And welcome to the latest edition a Big Blue Kickoff 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Live here on Giants dot Com. He's pauled the Tino. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meado. We got a lot on tap today 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: as we will look ahead to two more college teams. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Will get into Florida State. The seminals not their most 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: productive season, I should say, but they do have a 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: number of prospects, and we'll get into Louisiana Tech. As 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: well as your phone calls at two zero one four 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: five one three, you could also hit us up on 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. We want to remind you A 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live is presented by Coors Light. Download 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: the Coors Light Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: So in a few minutes we'll get into the Florida 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: State Seminoles their prospects. But in the meantime, we are 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: inching closer and closer to the NFL Draft. I know 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: Paul is extremely excited as he looks at the calendar 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: and looks at the say, Okay, I'm up to over 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: eighty guys that I've watched tape on. I'm over eighty. 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm over eighty um um. And the goal is, what's 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: the number is about one. Okay, Now it's gonna be 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: around the clock for the next several days. Trust me, 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: did you say one fifty is more than what you 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: normally I usually do like and then and then the 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: last year I went up to one fifty because the 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: giants were picking number two. Now they're picking number six 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: and seventeen. I think I got to go to understand 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: more volume of picks. So therefore you want to Actually, 28 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: I think my number last night. I think I was 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: at eight eight players last night by the time I 30 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: finally shut it down. Now you focus on one side 31 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: of the ball, or do you go school by school? 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: I go by position, you go by position. Okay, yeah, 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: I go watch a position. I go by position. So 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: in any event, I haven't touched the edge rushers yet. 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: I know some of the guys because of some things 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: I've seen in the past and people I've talked to. 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: But I really wanted to save the edge rushers for last, 38 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: because that's where I think the giants are gonna go 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: with number six. So I wanted to really hunker down 40 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: on them and say, Okay, this is the real meat. 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: Potato is now at the very end, and I'm really 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: going to go to town on the edge rushers and 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: and also quite frankly, the cornerbacks. I think the Giants 44 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: are definitely gonna go edge rusher and cornerback. Uh, the 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: right tackles I did first. I did twenty right tackles 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: at the beginning of my entire process, and and I'm 47 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: going to book end it now with the edge rushers 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: in the corners at the back end, well, it makes sense. 49 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of depth at that position 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: number one, and I think there's substance there too, So 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: it would stand to reason that those players are gonna 52 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: get a lot of notoriety. And you don't even have 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: to listen to the chatter if you watch the Senior Poll, 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: if you've watched the college season, you know pass rushing 55 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: is a priority, not just for the Giants, but I 56 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: would say across the board. So it's exciting to look 57 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: into what some of these top college teams have to offer, 58 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: and one of them in particular is Florida State, and 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: that is where we will kick off the festivities on 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: the latest edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live, and 61 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: we're joined by Brendan sonone largest state reporter for Knowles 62 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: twenty four seven, and he is going to weigh in 63 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: on the Seminoles prospects as we continue to set the 64 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: stage for the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. Brandon, he 65 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: got Lance Mettal Paul the Tino with you here on 66 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. Appreciate the time, how's everything? Hey? Sure? 67 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Sure than thanks for having me. I appreciate it, Thank 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: you very much. And I guess we really should kick 69 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: things off right up top because there is an edge 70 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: rusher named Brian Burns who I'll be honest with you, Brandon, 71 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: When when we were down at the Combine and I 72 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: spent three days there and we talked to a lot 73 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: of people about the edge rushers because we think the 74 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Giants are certainly going to be in the market for 75 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: for one, if not more. The deal on Burns was, Wow, 76 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: he may be the best pure pass rusher of the 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: edge rushers in this draft. But we also heard a 78 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: lot of naysayers that said, well, um, don't know about 79 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: his coverage skills. Not so sure I was gonna hold 80 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: up against the run. Uh. It was not a unanimous 81 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: like arms up, He's gonna be the best value at sex, 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: So please give us your thumbnail sketch and let's get 83 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: into some detail as to what's going on with him. 84 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: So Brian Burns is kind of polarizing in that sense 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: because one you see the amazing athleticism and flexibility, the 86 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: ability to NFL teams talking about bend a lot. Now 87 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: you're being able to turn the corner as a pass rusher. 88 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Brian Burns can do that. And he's six ft five, 89 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: really long, but explosive off the edge and he showed 90 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: that throughout his college career. Had ten sacks this past 91 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: season as a junior. I think he had nine and 92 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: a half as a freshman, had a slow start to 93 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: the some of more year, but ended that well too. 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Um So he's always shown the ability to get to 95 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback and had done stuff by being really fast 96 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: off the edge, and that's reflected in a lot of 97 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: his his test scene in his metrics and he had 98 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: an awesome combine performance as you guys probably saw. So 99 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: so yeah, so he's he's really athletic and that's that's 100 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: the strength of him. He knows how to get to 101 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: the quarterback and he's fast that the knock on him 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: and maybe he's undersized and he put on some way 103 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: for the Combine, but he played it about you know, 104 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: two thirty, two forty. I think he's up to the 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: like two fifty now. But he's always going to be 106 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: a thinner guy. That's just kind of his build. He's 107 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: not going to be a big, bulky defensive end. He's 108 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: not going to be a Davian Clowney. That's not who 109 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: he is. Um. But with that being said, his strength 110 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: is getting to the quarterback and using speed to do so. 111 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: He's really really good at that, and he's comfortable with that. 112 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: I think that's important. He knows who he is as 113 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: a player, and that's what makes him a valuable commodity 114 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: as a as a potential top ten draft pick. Now 115 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: this opens up a hole Pandora's box of questions for me. Now, 116 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: first off, uh, we're seeing him listed out of the 117 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: combine at two forty nine. You're saying he played it 118 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: about two thirty When he was with the Knolls, Yeah, 119 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe about two thirty five or so. But the weight 120 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: was always kind of a station at our fan base 121 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: and and readership. He was always asking us, as it 122 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: works the way? Now, Um, I will say this is 123 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: he got progress. He came in I think to twenty five, 124 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: and he got progressively bigger, like he kept growing and 125 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: by the time he was you could see like you 126 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: become his frame was bigger, like he put on broader shoulders. 127 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: So so he's always gone in the right direction with that. 128 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: But still the other way is always going to be 129 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: what it is. I don't think it's a guy who's 130 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: going to be able to play it at two sixty 131 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: five or if he is, like I would question, you know, 132 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: what I would do to his explosiveness, Like he's a 133 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: slight frame, um, and that's kind of what you have 134 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: to accept if you're taking him, is that's always going 135 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: to be. I would imagine what what he is is 136 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: a guy who's game is predicated on speed, but largely 137 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: because he's not as big as other guys too. It 138 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: has to be Now this opens up something for me, Lance. 139 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: I Lance did that the n I t last night. 140 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: So his voice is suffering a little. I'm gonna try 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: to take a little bit of this, officer. I appreciate 142 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: because I'm sure you're hurting. I can I know, I 143 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: know what it's like, trust me, So let me ask 144 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: you this. As a pass rusher, sometimes teams say, look, 145 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: This guy is such a dynamic pass rusher. He is 146 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: so good it's all right if he can't do some 147 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: of the other things. And there are holes in his 148 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: game because we know that he can get to the 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: quarterback no matter what. So I guess what I'm gonna 150 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: ask you is Burns his past rush skills. Does he 151 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: have counter moves? Does he have a whole slew in 152 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: his toolbox? Or has he basically been a one trick 153 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: speed around the edge pony for Florida State to where 154 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: when he gets to the NFL. Guess what. One trick 155 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: ponies don't last very long. He's very thoughtful with his 156 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: pass rush moves and has talked a lot about having 157 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: good counter techniques and and he's a very thoughtful pass rusher. Again, 158 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: everything is super I keep saying that it's predicated on 159 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: the speed, But he's not someone who's just trying to 160 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: beat you outside. That's this ultimate end goal, is to 161 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: get around the edge and beat you that way, because 162 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: I think that's his bread and butter, that's strength, that's 163 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: playing to what he does best. But he's someone that 164 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: has counter moves. Uh, He's not gonna be someone who 165 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: thinks gonna win inside a lot, it's gonna almost always 166 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: be turning the corner and beating you that way. But 167 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, if we saw this this year, if an 168 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: offensive tackle is gonna cheat and try to to fan 169 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: out a little bit too much, he's so agile and 170 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: quick with his feet, is that counter inside. So he 171 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: has that to his game. Again, strength is always going 172 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: to be the edge in the outside. I didn't know 173 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm repeating myself with that, but that that is, That's 174 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: what he does, and is what he does at an 175 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: exceptional level. He'd let college football im pressures this past year, 176 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: or at least in the regular season. UM. And he 177 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: does that by by just being faster and people off 178 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the edge. But again, he's not a one trick pony. 179 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: He can counter inside. UM. He has a good understanding 180 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: of pass rush moves. UM. They'll talk about that openly, 181 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: that that he enjoys the battle of pass rushing and 182 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: and likes good tackle like he likes to win. An 183 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: offensive tackle can kind of play chess with him a 184 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: little bit. I think he talked about that with Max 185 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: Sharping from n I. You who's kind of a sleeper 186 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: off of the tackle. Jowan Taylor from Florida who maybe 187 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: a first round pick. He loved going against those guys 188 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: because they were both really smart, really outside of offensive tackles. Alright, 189 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: so then I have a three part question to finish 190 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: my segment of this. Often then I'm gonna let Lance 191 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: jump in with what voice he has left? I need 192 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: to know three pard question A, what's his motor like 193 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: in terms of consistency, durability, being able to you know, 194 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: if he's gonna be a little bit of a slight frame. 195 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: You know that energy is gonna have to be at 196 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: a high level NonStop in the NFL. So that what's 197 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: the motor be? What happens when teams just run at 198 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: him and try a power running game? Does that take 199 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: the teeth out of him? How does he hold up 200 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: when when people run at that edge? Can he somehow 201 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: some way still be effective there? And then see what 202 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: are his coverage skills like if he's gonna be asked 203 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: to do any coverage at all, because in the NFL 204 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: you better be able to do some of that. Yeah, alright, 205 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: so the motor, the first part, the motor is awesome, 206 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: like he for a guy who came in as a 207 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: high you know, four star borderline five star. He's worked hard, 208 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: and he worked hard off the field. He really kind 209 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: of emerged as more of a vocal leader last year 210 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: and as a team that really didn't have a ton 211 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: of those guys. Um, he was one of the only 212 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: the few who is who is trying to kind of 213 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: carry that and it was pretty clear, um. And then 214 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: on the field you can see that too, that he's 215 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: someone who who goes a lot and he's on the 216 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: field a ton and brings a lot of energy and misproductive. 217 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: I think he played almost almost nine snaps past year, 218 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: which is the most, you know, most he had ever played, 219 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: and was productive while doing so, inefficient while doing so. 220 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Um so so he works hard, uh. Off the field, 221 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: I think he's got a pretty pick darn good motor 222 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: on it. He's someone that you don't have to worry 223 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: about just kind of checking in, you know, for past 224 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: rush situations. If if that's what you're thinking, he's he's 225 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: someone who and I guess I'll take me up to 226 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: point B willing to willing to go and try to 227 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: set the edge against run. He's again he's gonna be undersized. 228 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: You know, he's someone who's two fifty right now. And 229 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: that's more than what it's playing weight was It's obviously 230 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna be some some level of drop off compared to 231 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: like a big edge setter. That's not his game. But 232 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: but his run defense grade was pretty good last year. 233 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: PFF had it I think I can pull it up 234 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: mall seventy eight point three, which was he's willing to 235 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to help him out a little 236 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: bit and make sure you're not lying hunting him up 237 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: over a tight end side where you can get double team. 238 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: But then, yeah, that's gonna be an issue. But uh, 239 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: he's at least willing to do so. But again, he's 240 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: two fifty pounds, Like that's going against the three hundred 241 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: pound tackle. It's going to be a limitation um. And 242 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: then to the last point and why some people I 243 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: think he think he could be a better three four 244 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: outside linebacker than maybe a four three defensive end, although 245 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: he did a little bit of both at f s U. 246 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: His coverage skills are pretty good. You go ahead and 247 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: watches his pro day. That was probably what impressed me 248 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: the most was when they had him drop into coverage 249 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: and show how fluid the hips are for for a 250 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: six ft five guy. He can turn and run pretty well. 251 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: They asked him to do a little bit of that 252 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: at times at FSC, more so earlier in his career 253 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: when they were doing more of the hybrid defense under 254 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: the previous scheme. He can do it um and and 255 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: he can. I think it was against Syracuse. If you guys, 256 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, if your listeners want to put on Syracuse 257 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: f s U at Sara you often he lines up 258 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: in the slot as like a hybrid kind of outside 259 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: linebacker spot defenders some too, because you know, Saracuse does 260 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: a lot of short passing games, so he can do it. Yeah, 261 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: he can. He can do it, not in an elite level, 262 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: but enough to where you need to drop back and 263 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: get something, uh, you know, four or five snaps a game. 264 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: He could probably get that to you. Okay, we're talking 265 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: with Brendan Juneau and Florida State reporter for KNOW seven. Brendon, 266 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: you brought up that he liked going up against Joan 267 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: Taylor of Florida. He liked the chess match. Over the 268 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: course of his career from the time that you've covered him, 269 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: how do you think he fared going up against the 270 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: elite offensive tackles across the board in the A C 271 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: C since there is certainly a number of them. You know, 272 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny as I'm trying to think 273 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: of actually like individual matchups. Um, as I'm thinking about 274 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: his career, he seemed to do his best in bigger games. 275 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Go ahead and look at Clemson in he brought at 276 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: that game. He was awesome. He was all over the place. 277 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: He forced the fumble I was deflecting past is like 278 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: he brings it in. And I think of his ten 279 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: sacks this past year, almost all of them were in 280 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: conference play, like Max Sharpie and that Northern Illinois shut 281 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: him out, And part of that was and I did 282 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: a quick passing game and didn't want to let Brian 283 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: Burns get in the backfield. UM, and so they worked 284 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: they worked around. It was probably a good idea on 285 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: their part. Two. And they have two decent offensive tackles 286 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: for for that uh classification of college football. But uh, 287 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: but he played his best in bigger games, and that 288 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: was consistent. Uh. Think Jowan Taylor got the better of 289 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: him at the end of the year and that match 290 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: up if I remember, UM, but by and large throughout 291 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: his career, like he against Miami he would step up 292 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: against the higher caliper of opponent, he always seemed to 293 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: to make a big play or find his way getting 294 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: into the backfield more consistently in those games. Again, I 295 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: think that's kind of an encouraging thing when you look 296 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: at him, is that that he kind of had a 297 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: ability to when when the limelight was was on him 298 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: to make a play when when needed. And I think 299 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: that's that's an attractive trade of his. No, I think 300 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: that's a very fair point. I think we've hit a 301 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: lot on Brian Burns. I know they have another defensive 302 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: linement at Florida State, DeMarcus Christmas, and the reason I 303 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: bring him up, and you know, the jury is still 304 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: out in terms of whether he'll be a starter or 305 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: a backup on the NFL level, But Brandon I noticed 306 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: his numbers dipped in two thousand eighteen. Not that he's 307 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: a guy that gets after the quarterback and so forth, 308 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: But it's always interesting when statistical production goes down. Is 309 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: that because of the overall defensive scheme, the caliber of 310 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: the opposition. What do you make of why his numbers 311 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: this past season weren't necessarily in line with where they 312 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: were in previous years. I'll say this with DeMarcus is 313 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: he came in when Jimmo Fisher was still at Florida 314 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: State and Jimbo raved about him. He thought that was 315 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle in that recruiting cycle. He was 316 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: a lower four star crew, but they thought they had 317 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: a gem with them, and they thought they had someone 318 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: that kind of snuck under the radars and go to 319 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot of camps. And DeMarcus ended up being a 320 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: four year contributor at Florida State, starting the last three 321 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: and I'm playing a pretty fair amount and when he 322 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: was a red shirt freshman as well, so he played 323 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: a ton. That The thing is he came in with 324 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: decent production as a freshman and it just never gone 325 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: a lot better. He never took the next step of 326 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: becoming a dominant player. He was always good. He was 327 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: always a good starter, always pretty reliable, had a pretty 328 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: high motor. You go ahead and see especially seventeen when 329 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: when a lot of guys were checking out on Jim 330 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: Fisher and Jubo Fisher was checking out on them. He 331 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: was He was gritty, and he was hustling and running 332 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: around and chasing Lamar Jackson about thirty forty yards town Field, 333 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: at least trying to. He always had a higher motor, 334 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: but never really was a guy who I felt like 335 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: dominated and and I think even his senior year he 336 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: was supposed to be kind of the guy that's why 337 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: he came back. They switched to a four three attacking scheme, 338 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: and I thought that would really fit in his skill 339 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: set because he's pretty quick and he's long. Um. I 340 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: thought he would at least be disruptive, and they just 341 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: never really materialized. It didn't not a bad senior season, 342 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: just not a whole not discernible from what he did 343 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: as a say, his first all years a starter, as 344 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: a rest sophomore, even as a retir junior, he just 345 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: never really took the next steps. I don't even know 346 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: if it was a regression. It just wasn't progression for him, 347 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: which I don't know that's a red flax. He was 348 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: always decent as a starter, just not a guy who 349 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: whoever really stepped up to being a dominant player as 350 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: opposed like Brian Burns, which just got progressively better. I 351 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: felt like each season as he kind of his role 352 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: became more more and more and more pronounced. Well then 353 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: for then for Christmas and I've had scouts tell me 354 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: over the years sometimes there are a lot of factors 355 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: as to why a guy can regress in his final 356 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: year in school. So they're never afraid to go back 357 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: to the previous season that would be his junior season 358 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: and say, well, look, he was really good. Let's figure 359 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: out why he was really good, because there may be 360 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: factors as to why it didn't go well in that 361 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: last year that we can overcome or polish up, or 362 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: overlook and still get ourselves a good player who who 363 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: showed that in his junior season. What might that be 364 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: the case for Christmas? Or is it simply you know what, 365 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: he's just reached his ceiling and there's really not much 366 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: more there to polish up. But I think the ladder again, 367 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that for surely think that's more so 368 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: is it's okay if we're gonna look at you know, production, 369 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: and we're gonna look at like I pulled up the 370 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: PF grades on him. He was a seventy five point 371 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: eight as a red shirt sophomore, eight point one grade 372 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: overall as a reshirt junior, and seventy six point nine 373 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: as a red shirt senior. I mean those are all 374 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of in the same range. I think he just 375 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of kind of a guy who showed some progress 376 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: early in his career and then it's kind of leveled off. 377 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: And I just don't know if that's Athletically he's fine. 378 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: He I think he ran a up five second forty 379 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: yard dash, uh in a s s. I think it 380 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: was in the high four nine and I think it 381 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: was around the low fives at the combine if memory serves. 382 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: But he's not a massive guy's about three hundred pounds. 383 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: He just he he's good. And when he has a 384 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: high motor, and I think that's frequent when he tries hard. Uh, 385 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: he's like the motor though. Kind of think with you know, 386 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: Brandon scouts like the motor, that they all overlook some things. 387 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: If the guy's got a motor and he has that, 388 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: I would say again to listens if they have to 389 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: find his film against Louisville and uh, he's there's one 390 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: example where he chases a playdown field, probably about fifty 391 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: yards down field, and that was my kind of thing, like, 392 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: oh man, he may have like you know, he may 393 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: have a future because he was playing well too, he 394 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: was being productive. He's starting to kind of you know, 395 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: for a team that wasn't trying very hard at that 396 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: point in the season, that was about ready to check 397 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: out on its head coach and his head coach was 398 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: about to leave. Um, he he was showing those kind 399 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: of examples and he had flashes last season. Guys, it 400 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: just wasn't it just for whatever reason. And I'm were 401 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: talking to someone on staff about this thing, and like, 402 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: I was disappointed that that de Marcus Christmas wasn't taking 403 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: that next step that that we kind of thought he 404 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: was going to and and Stafford said they thought he 405 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: was playing well and when he was asked with the schemes, 406 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: so maybe it was a scheme change. It just never 407 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: materialized into him becoming a dominant player. Just oh, a 408 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: very steady, very good one. I guess something to be 409 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: said that though, Um, and again when you blended with 410 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: the motor, I just I don't know what value is 411 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: necessarily placed your draft pick wise on on that. If 412 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: that makes sense, No, it makes absolute sense, and I 413 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: think there's value and a player like that to your point, 414 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: because if you'll get today's NFL, they need as many 415 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: defensive lineman as they can to rotate them because nobody 416 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: is gonna play to the snap, so there's always that 417 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be able to eat up space and 418 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: stop the run and so forth. That's why I think 419 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: it's interesting to bring up somebody like Christmas want to 420 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: move to the offensive side of the ball, and somebody 421 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: that I think has shown more than just flashes. Nikon Murray, 422 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: the wide receiver known mainly as a slot guy. Here's 423 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: my big question, Brendan, when it comes to evaluating his 424 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: production Florida States quarterback production, It's fair to say it 425 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: was very inconsistent during the course of his tenure. Is 426 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: it a huge upside when you say, hey, what he 427 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: put up with that type of quarterback production? Or did 428 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: we already see his ceiling and you don't think he 429 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: could take it a step up? Wise? But what concerns 430 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: me with with Nikewon Murray or Newony is what he's 431 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: what he goes by his Newni Murray um is he's 432 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: You know, his testing numbers weren't great. I think he 433 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: had a four six guy was shorter than six ft tall. Um, 434 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: So you think you athleticism and and being quick and 435 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: twitchy and even explosive. What the forty would be something 436 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: he would need to rely on. Um. He was one 437 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: of the more frustrating players to watch during the Jimbo 438 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: Fisher era because he showed won some brilliant, brilliant moments. 439 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: The Orange Bowl in against Michigan, he has two catches, 440 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: two touchdowns, including the game winner and which he jumped 441 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: over who's the Dallas Cowboys corner Jordan Jordan Lewis yea 442 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: and he and he he just went up and got 443 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: it over him. And that was when I was young, 444 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: en up being a pretty high draft pick that year 445 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: and he was a sophomore then um and would produce. 446 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: He was DeAndre Francoise's favorite target. Those two guys knew 447 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: each other from Orlando, so the quarterback left going to him. Sometimes. 448 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: I think forced the issue with with Nike Won Murray's 449 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: that he ran hot and cold. You could see plays 450 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: where he would just not block if the ball wasn't 451 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: coming his way. His body language wasn't always great, So 452 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: those are things that NFL teams canna have to vet. 453 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: You can see one production that's there to uh some 454 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: really really special moments where he makes some freakishly athletic plays. 455 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: He has great hands Um but but then the downside 456 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: is he didn't always bring it and would disappear in 457 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: some big moments too at points in his career and 458 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: never got, in my opinion, markedly better. Even though he 459 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: got more reps and more opportunities, he never really put 460 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: it all together. And then you can bind that with 461 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: some of the testing numbers that weren't weren't great. Um, Yeah, 462 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: I just I wonder if that's a draftable prospect at 463 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: this point. He's certainly going to find himself on an 464 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: NFL roster and someone's gonna take a look at him, 465 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point or another, whether it's as 466 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: a late round pick or high priority undrafted free agent. 467 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: Because of the production, I guess I'm just skeptical whether 468 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: he's someone who's gonna be able to put it all 469 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: together because it hasn't happened to day and he had 470 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: four years to do so, and it was disappointing, guys, 471 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: because he was someone who a lot of people around 472 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: the program that was going to be special. Well, I 473 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: think that's some great insight on your part. That's why 474 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: you can't just look at numbers. You can't just look 475 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: at film. There's always the story behind the closed door 476 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: as he is. Brended Zoo and Florida State reporter for 477 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: Know seven kind enough to join us here on giants 478 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: dot Com Big Blue kig Off Live. Brenda greatly appreciate 479 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: the time of the inside. Thanks so much for weighing 480 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: in on the Florida State prospects. Appreciate it. Sure yeah, 481 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: sure thing. Thanks for having me, guys, you got it 482 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: absolutely So that is the layout of the land for 483 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: Florida State. We're gonna get into Louisiana Tech, which essentially 484 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: just has one prospect a little bit later on in 485 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: the program and in BET two, and we're gonna try 486 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: to get to as many phone calls as possible too. 487 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: One four, five, one three, and Florida State is the 488 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: type of team just in my opinion, Paul, I think 489 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: it certainly fell into the radar this year from a 490 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: prospect standpoint because the team overall did not perform. So 491 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: that hurts the stock of players right there. And you know, 492 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: I thought Brendan gave a nice synopsis of you know, 493 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: not just spelling out all the positives of these guys, 494 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: the question marks that I think you can align with 495 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: all three of the guys that we asked him about, Well, 496 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: I think the important thing when we talk to these 497 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: folks who have seen these players up close and personal 498 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: on a weekend and week out basis. I mean, that's 499 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: why we're bringing them to you, because they've seen these guys. 500 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: They have eyewitness accounts, which is better than anything else 501 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: that we can talk about. We can watch tape and 502 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: that says a lot, but it doesn't say everything. That 503 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: doesn't tell the whole story. And and these guys, no, 504 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: they're not their coaches, they're not they're not scouts, So 505 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, you have to understand it. It is an 506 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: amateur type look, but it's still a lot more information 507 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: than you're gonna get from reading, uh, you know, something 508 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: on the web or even the video that we see. 509 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: So I did think he was very full in terms 510 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: of his info basket. He he did a wonderful job 511 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: of breaking down things. And I was very specific in 512 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: the questions I asked about Burns because you know, I 513 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: know what I look for when I when I see 514 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 1: the tape, I've I've gotten scouts who have coached me. 515 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: And what what are you looking for? What when you 516 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: look at the cut ups and the and the clips, Uh, 517 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: this this, this, this, Okay, well this is really good, 518 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: but how good is it? And is there a hidden 519 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: missing part to that deal? And okay, if this pass 520 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: rusher is so good, well then it's okay if he's 521 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: not great against the run, because you can situationally use 522 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: him and he can still have a tremendous impact on 523 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: the game. These are things that you know, a lot 524 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: of people don't think about, but that's the scouts angle. 525 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: And I thought he was really great in answering the 526 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: detailed questions as I came at him from different perspectives. Absolutely, 527 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: that's open up the phone lines two zero, one four 528 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: or five one three. A reminder that Big Blue Kickoff 529 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: Live is presented by cores Light. Download the cores Live 530 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. Let's go to 531 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: Mike in Boston. Mike, welcome the Giants dot Com. But 532 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: he got for us. Hey, thank thank you for taking 533 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: my call. I'm just a couple of things real quick. UM, 534 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the draft, but I know 535 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to be the dead horse with the 536 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: O b J thing. Just give a quick feedback on that. Um, 537 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: I know the fans have kind of you know, looked 538 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: at it from a couple of different angles. I'm happy, 539 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: so I'm not so happy. Um. I'm not a fan 540 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: of that particular trade. Although I do have a lot 541 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: of confidence in gettleman Um. I do feel like over 542 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: the past couple of years with the old regime, there 543 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: have been some some rough seasons, and I felt like 544 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: O b J. Gave the fans something to look forward 545 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: to when he took one to the house and did 546 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: a dance. Not that I'm a big fan of watching 547 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: players dance in the end zone, but there was something 548 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: special about it, and I guess I just want to 549 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: say I'll miss that, you know, understood in terms in 550 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: terms of gettleman Um with the quarterback situation. I like 551 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: what he said so far. One of the things I 552 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to mention he threw out this whole thing 553 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: about no guts now glory he's off in the past 554 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: about Ernie of course, he uh, you know, his feedback 555 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: about Eli Manning and how he had a confidence that 556 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: in in under pressure he could you know, he could 557 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: deliver um under the you know, in the Super Bowl 558 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: and so forth. I've looked at Josh Rosen and last 559 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: year I was thrilled with the se Kwon Barkley pick. 560 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: But if you would have told me that there was 561 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: a scenario where we could also get Josh Rose and 562 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: if that was even possible, it would have been unreal 563 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: because I think he's a very tough kid, and I 564 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: think that goes under the radar is the moxie part. 565 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, I hear the feedback that, oh, 566 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: this guy could make this throw and he could do 567 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: this and that, and that's great. You could win a 568 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: lot of games with that. But when you're in the playoffs, 569 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: when you're playing in January, Nephew, Harry, Um, some players 570 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: I felt like Jared Goffe to me, didn't didn't have it, 571 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: you know when it when it mattered the most, you know, 572 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: when you need him to drive it down the field 573 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl. Um. I like seeing a guy 574 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: who has that mock be in that toughness. I felt 575 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: like Eli had that, you know, and that's something that 576 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: you know, I think Josh Rosen might be able to 577 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: bring to the table. Well, it's an extremely small sample 578 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: size for Josh Rosen at this point to know whether 579 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: or not he does have some of those character traits. 580 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he suffered multiple concussions in college. I think 581 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: there is a toughnest factor that he bounced back from that. 582 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, I would not go so far, Mike, 583 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that you were to say that 584 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: you put Josh Rosen on the big stage and he's 585 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: automatically going to deliver. I think he was put in 586 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: a very tough spot last season. Offensive line was not 587 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: stable in Arizona, David Johnson went down, didn't have much 588 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: of a stable running game even when he was in 589 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: the lineup. So you look at all of that, you 590 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: gotta really see more of Josh Rosen. You gotta see 591 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: him in a stable environment before we can run with 592 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: the narrative to paint him as a quarterback moving forward. 593 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: But he's young, he's on a rookie contract. There's a 594 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: lot to like just from a value standpoint of Josh Rosen, 595 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: which is understandable if Cardinals do decide to dake Kyler 596 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: Murray and they want to shop Rosen, and right now 597 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: it's all speculative. I could see a lot of teams 598 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: being interested because he's only played fourteen games and his 599 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: contracts not eating up a lot of cap space. So 600 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: New England chargers, all these teams looking for successors. I 601 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: think what I've interested, Yeah, and I agree with that. 602 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: On that note, I will say this too though, um 603 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: what what is interesting to me in terms of if 604 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: they do decide to trade him his market Dowe England 605 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: holds the thirty second pick, and so if we were 606 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: shopping at you know, we were offering a second rounder, 607 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: they would not only beat us by five spots, but 608 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: also a fift year option. So it is interesting that 609 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: we do have a little more ammunition now with the seventeenth, 610 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: although I do think if we were to ends up 611 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: going that far, we'd have to get something else back, 612 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: whether it's getting back a second, you know, um, just 613 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: throwing the seventeenth, get back a second, maybe even a 614 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: third or something along those lines. And I feel like 615 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: we have a little bit more um ammunition because New England, 616 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, they have a pocket passer right now. It's 617 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: similar with del They are in an ideal situation to 618 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: start rooming a guy who's more of your traditional type 619 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: of passer. I would think, then, you know, let's say more, 620 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, one of the newer mobile guys. Well and 621 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: and the Patriots have invested in a lot of other quarterbacks, 622 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: and Mike, we're gonna let you go on that note. 623 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at all the guys that they've 624 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: drafted in recent history, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissette, Ryan Mallett, 625 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: and not saying that they're all going to pan out, 626 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: but they're not shy whether Brady's got a year left, 627 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: two years, five years left, and saying, hey, let's groom 628 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: a quarterback. So that's why I think New England and 629 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: Rosen isn't certainly an interesting connection if it ever gets 630 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: to that point. Right now, we're gonna turn our attention 631 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: back to college prospects and Louisiana Tech, speaking of pass rushers, 632 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: has a guy that I think has a knack for 633 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback, Paul And to further break down 634 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: the ins and outs of jaln Ferguson were now joined 635 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: by Louisiana X play by play man for the Louisiana 636 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: Tech Sports Network, and that is Dave Nitz, David got 637 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Lance mettal Paula Tino Here on Big Blue Kickoff Live 638 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. Appreciate the time, how's everything, Well, thank you, 639 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate the appreciate the time, sir, thank you Dave 640 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: for for coming on with us, and we know that 641 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: we should tell our listeners you. You've been doing play 642 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: by play down there at Louisiana Tech for decades, so 643 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: your experience and your eye is certainly going to be 644 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: one that can recognize the good and the bad and 645 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: and even the questionable things that a player might bring 646 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: to the table. And I think the first thing that 647 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: we hear when when when people talk to us about 648 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Ferguson is my goodness, He's got all the tools, and 649 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: he should have been an absolute monster and a beast 650 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: in school, and yet maybe there were times when the 651 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: motor wasn't quite as hot and running quite as well 652 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: as it should have. That's the kind of general statement 653 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: that I get when I when I first asked a 654 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: question about him, What will you tell us about him 655 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: that will either dispel that notion or confirmed that that 656 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: that prognosis. One of the things I like about Jalen Ferguson, 657 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: I think his motor runs about a hundred miles an hour, 658 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: because you know, pass rushing is is really his forte 659 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: where he led the nation in sacks this this year, 660 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: and and the nation in his career also, but you 661 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: know he I don't know how he does it, but 662 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: he can get to a quarterback quicker than anybody I've seen. 663 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: I think the best other pass rusher I have seen 664 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: at Louisiana Tech was a guy with the name of 665 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: Fred Dean who was in the NFL. Man, I know, 666 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: he was great. What's that? Fred Dean was outstanding, big 667 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: hands Dean. I remember him. Yeah. Fred Dean of course 668 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: ended up you know, he played for the forty Niners, 669 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: but and the San Diego Chargers and in the NFL 670 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He wasn't quite as tall and as 671 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson is, but he had the strength. And that's 672 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: one thing that Jay and has been able to do 673 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: from his junior to his senior year, I think even 674 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: from his sophomore year. I mean, you look at him. 675 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: He's when as a freshman when he came into Tech 676 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: he was kind of a thinly built guy, and he 677 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: has been able to put on the necessary weight and 678 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to now, probably two twenty, 679 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: I guess something like that. But he can get to 680 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: a quarterback as quick as anybody I've ever seen. And 681 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, throughout the year, UH teams are not only 682 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: double teaming him, they would bring another extra back in 683 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: to just block Ferguson to try to keep him away 684 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: from the quarterback. So I think that's his forte and 685 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what you'll see at the NFL round 686 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: when he gets to the NFL. How do you see 687 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: him as more of a power guy who's gonna try 688 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: to get to the passer or is it going to 689 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: be more technique oriented? And and do you see him 690 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: suited better in a three fore front or a fourth 691 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: three front when he goes pro. Probably in a four 692 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: three front, maybe he is not as powerful as maybe 693 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle would be. So I think in a 694 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: fourth refront from a defensive endstandpoint, that's going to be 695 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: his best fourte But you know, I don't know. I mean, 696 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: you never know. When you get a guy at to camp, UH, 697 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: he may turn around and be better three four guy. 698 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: And he was a four three. When you look at 699 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: his production, I think it certainly jumps off the page, Dave, 700 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: but most people and Paul alluded to this that perhaps 701 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: his production and you mentioned he's got a high motor, 702 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: but it's maybe more of an attribute to his smarts 703 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: as opposed to necessarily his athleticism. How fair of a 704 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: synopsis is it to say that a lot of his 705 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: productivity is because how he can break down an assess 706 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: a play so quickly, much more so than perhaps the 707 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: caliber of talent that he was going up against within 708 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: that conference. I think I think you're correct there, because, uh, 709 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that will look a lot 710 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: of film but a thing, and he'll figure out a 711 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: team where he can rush the best and get to 712 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: a passer either you know, looping and around and so forth. 713 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think he's a what I 714 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: would call it strictly a power guy. His quickness is 715 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: his his asset. Really, let me ask you this day, 716 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: because so many guys who get to the quarterback are 717 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: just interested in rushing the passer, and they may not 718 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: be quite as interested in playing the run, holding the 719 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: point of attack, and anchoring and and dealing with some 720 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: of the other quote dirty work that doesn't necessarily make 721 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: Sports Center at the end of the evening. How is 722 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: he dealing with those things? Is Is he an aggressive 723 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: guy who's gonna play an all around game? I think 724 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: I think aggressiveness is the best word for him, because 725 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, he will start to rush a passer and 726 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: he might do a little stutter staff or something like that, 727 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they try to run the 728 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: ball and he's right there. So he's a smart guy. 729 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he really is, and uh, you know, I 730 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: think he will be an asset to whoever gets it. 731 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: We're talking with, Dave. Dates played by plan Outs are 732 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: for the Louisiana Tech Sports Network, focusing on Jalen Ferguson 733 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: by far their top prospect. Whenever anyone looks at numbers 734 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: of a player coming from a smaller conference, the immediate 735 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: narrative is, well, you know, how much credit can you 736 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: truly give that player? He's not going up against the SEC, 737 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: the A C, C, and so forth. David, somebody that 738 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: obviously covers Conference USA very closely and our listeners may not, 739 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: how would you assess the overall conference and the caliber 740 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: of talent that he went up against, the perhaps not 741 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: take away from the substance of his production. Well, I think, uh, 742 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, you faced teams like Southern miss out of 743 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: the Conference USA, which is very good. Uh you know, 744 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: we played Mississippi State, which is pretty good. SEC team. 745 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: So we we have and you know we've uh you know, 746 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: we've played some teams that we've we feel like that 747 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: are better caliber, I guess Athletic Wise and Louisiana Tech. 748 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: But uh, you know we've been able to match up 749 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: against those teams quite well. Let me ask you this, Dave, 750 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: and and and you know, I don't want to take 751 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: a ton of time on this because from all reports, uh, 752 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: this is a guy who made some mistakes earlier in 753 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: his life off the field and seems to have cleaned 754 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: them up. I mean, the NFL, as you know, did 755 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: not invite him to the combine initially because of the 756 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: off the field stuff, and then they said, well, well 757 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: because measurables in his medical Uh, could you give us 758 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: a feel for what he's about as a guy and 759 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: if in fact he can be a team player and 760 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: an asset to a locker room. I think, you know, 761 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: one of the things I think the sl looked at, 762 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, it was the incident apparently that and I 763 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: didn't even really know about it to Morselle, that happened 764 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: at a local McDonald's. He got into a side or 765 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: something like that. As a freshman, you know, freshman a 766 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: lot of times, uh, are a little more aggressive. I 767 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: guess mark their own ground and say, you know, kind 768 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: of lock like a market is mark in the backyard 769 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. But uh, and I think that was part 770 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: of it. But he is just a very humble person. 771 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: And I've interviewed him and uh, he you know, he's 772 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: just grateful to And the thing I like about him 773 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: was the fact that he could have gone out his 774 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: junior year. I don't know how high he would have 775 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: gone his junior year, but he wanted to come back 776 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: and finish his degree and play with the seniors that 777 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: came in with him. So that says a lot about 778 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: the personality of a guy. Well, and speaking of his personality, 779 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: I think work ethic is another big aspect. Now you 780 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: mentioned that one thing that's jumped out to you about 781 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: his film study session, But from what you observed, I mean, 782 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: how has he grown and matured from a work ethic 783 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: standpoint when it comes to interacting with his team and 784 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: putting in the practice time. I think he's grown immensely. 785 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: You know a lot of freshmen coming in and they've 786 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: been the big man on campus in high school and 787 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get to college and they 788 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: have to kind of step back and Okay, you know 789 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: what if I got myself into and I think his 790 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: work habits have increased immensely since then. Final question from 791 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: me on him, Uh, when when you hear the scuttle 792 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: bottle around campus or maybe some of the football people 793 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: who were talking about what his future holds, do you 794 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: sense the fact that you know he will in fact 795 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: be a mid to late first round pick or or 796 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: people are talking about him more. Is a top of 797 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: the second round situation? I think, quite honestly, based on 798 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: his toolbox, would be fortunate for a team to get 799 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: him in the second round. But again, there are some 800 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: teams who may have some doubts. I think I think 801 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 1: it would be on the borderline. I think he would 802 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: be either a low first round or a top second 803 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: round choice. That that would be my feeling. And you know, 804 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm not in touch with the NFL like you guys are, 805 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: but you know that just my feeling off the top 806 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: of my head. I think it depends on who gets 807 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: him and what they want want of him at the 808 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: present time. But I think he will either go a 809 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: low first round or a high second round. Well related 810 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: to that, and last one for me, Dave. And I 811 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: know you mentioned that you're not necessarily looking at the 812 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: mock drafts left and right to determine where he's going. 813 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: And I don't blame you for doing that, because there's 814 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: only so much that I could take before that. But 815 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson did take part of the Senior Bowl, and 816 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: I think that was an important part of at least 817 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: maybe putting him on the radar of a number of teams. 818 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: And I liked what I saw even out of the game, 819 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: which you can only read so much into. I don't 820 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: know how much you've interacted with him, Dave, since he's 821 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: taken part of the Senior Ball, how much he's been 822 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: on campus, But from maybe what you've observed, from what 823 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: you've viewed, how much do you think the Senior Bowl 824 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: and him being a participant in that perhaps elevated his 825 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: stock at all. I think it elevated his stock because 826 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's not just an individual type player. 827 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: He's a team player, and that's one of the things 828 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: he he wants to do. He just wants to win. Uh. 829 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: You know, whether he gets one sack or three sacks 830 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: in a game, you know, his his basic theory is, Okay, 831 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: what am I going to have to do to help 832 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: this team win? I think that's the asset of janlen Ferguson. 833 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: He is Dave Knts, the play by plan ouncer for 834 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: the Louisiana Tech Sports Network. Day before we let you go, 835 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: is there anyone else on Louisiana Check who is under 836 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: the radar who might sneak into the third day of 837 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: the draft or may be even surprised somebody as an 838 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent, who could you know, all of 839 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: a sudden open some eyes if they get to an 840 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: NFL camp. Well, I'm not sure right now. You know, 841 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: we've had some guys that, uh maybe have even gone 842 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: as free agents. I mean, I know there's a wide 843 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: receiver at San Francisco, Trent Taylor. Everybody said he was 844 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: too small, too small, too slow, but he reminded me 845 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: so much of a Pat Tilly back in the days 846 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: when he was St. Louis Cardinals, another Louisiana Tech wide receiver. 847 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we may have some guys like that 848 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: that are kind of under the radar, but maybe go 849 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: as a free agent that uh hey, you never know, 850 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: Uh they go to camp and all of a sudden 851 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: they made the ball club, and all of a sudden, 852 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: you know they're you know, maybe a backup wide receiver 853 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: or a backup all offensive tackle or defensive tackle. You 854 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: just never know until you get him to camp. Well, 855 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if another Louisiana Tech player 856 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: jumps onto an NFL roster, as you mentioned, similar to 857 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: Trent Taylor with San Francisco. He is Dave nets played 858 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: by play announcer for the Louisiana Tech Sports Network. Dave 859 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: greatly appreciate the time of the inside. Thanks so much 860 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 1: for joining us on the program. Appreciated. Thank you very much. 861 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: You'll have a good day. Well, that is Dave Nitz 862 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: again weighing in on Jalen Ferguson here on Giants dot Com. 863 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: And he's a pass rusher that we certainly have brought 864 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: up previously on this program. He's somebody that adds to 865 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: the depth of that position. And you know, the m 866 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: O I think for him is certainly his ability to 867 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. The million dollar question, and you 868 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: raised this with Davis, is it skyrocketed because of the 869 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: caliber of talented conference us day. Can you move him around? 870 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,479 Speaker 1: Is their versatility, and I think that's what NFL teams 871 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: are gonna have to determine at this point. Well, I'm 872 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: interested in one thing that Dave said that kind of 873 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: didn't jive with what some of the folks of the 874 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: Combine said. When when he was really happy with his motor, Yeah, 875 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: he made that very clear, he said a hundred miles 876 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: an hour. Some of the guys to Combine, we're not 877 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: so sure about that. They thought that there were times when, 878 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't a full all out attempt at 879 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: playing his snaps. I'm gonna have I told you I 880 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: didn't look at that trusts yet. I'm going to dive 881 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: in deep into Ed Rusher's very very soon here, and 882 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very, very very careful to watch his film. 883 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: And it's not just what happens when you get off 884 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: at the snap, but it's to pursuit playing to the 885 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: other side of the field, making sure that you're up 886 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: and down the line, making sure that you played to 887 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: the whistle. And then what happens not just in the 888 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: first quarter of a game, but how does he go 889 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: through into the the final quarter. You know, these are 890 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: all things when you talk about a guy's motor. When 891 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: I say somebody has a motor, alright, all of those 892 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: things that I just raised to you, he gets a 893 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: check for. And you know, you don't give a check 894 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: for the motor unless all of those things are covered. 895 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: If you're missing any of them, you don't get motor 896 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: as one of the pluses. Because because I got my 897 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: little chart here, okay, I want to show I want 898 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: to show this to you folks, because you can only 899 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: see it here. Now that's it, because now if you 900 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: read it, you have to be killed. I can't let 901 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: you speak. The secrets can't get out. These secrets can 902 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: never get out. And and so I put I put 903 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: all my positive remarks in blue on the top, and 904 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: all my negative remarks in red on the bottom. And 905 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: those are the impressions I get from watching the guy's tape. 906 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: And motor is a very very very delicate one, because 907 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: if any of those elements are missing, he doesn't get it. 908 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't get motor motives are that's a it's a 909 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: precious one from a huge two because it's an intangible 910 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily talk to the guy's skill box. It 911 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: talks to the fire and his bell desire, the heart, 912 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: the desire, the work ethic, that that motor word where 913 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: that quality can actually overcome a possible deficiency in a deficiency. 914 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: So I don't give that one out Whitely. So I'm 915 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: really curious about this. Now we have to talk in 916 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: to Dave. Well, there was one plan, and that's why 917 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: I brought up the Senior Bowl with Dave. And once again, 918 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: small sample size, just a week of work, but the 919 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: game and I watched those Senior Bowl I remember a 920 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: play where you know, the play was breaking down, the 921 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: quarterback was scrambling, and Ferguson chased down the quarterback and 922 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: I believe was credited with bringing him down on his sack. 923 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: So you know, those are the types of plays He's 924 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: more than cable of doing that, Paul, Now, did he 925 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: consistently do that in every single snap at Louisiana Tech? 926 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: I can't speak of that. I didn't watch every single 927 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech snap, but that jumped out to me. And 928 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: when you see that extra effort, that's what you want 929 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 1: to see out of a defensive lineman. I do remember 930 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: when I watched the Senior Bowl jotting down some positive 931 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: notes about him, but again, that's all I've actually seen 932 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: of him to this point. I got I got to 933 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: get to the tapes. Let's head back to the phone 934 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: lines as we take you up till noon Eastern to 935 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: one p m Eastern. Excuse me, it would be I 936 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: guess twelve Central. For those of you on a different 937 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: time length two zero one three, Charlie is in Portland's 938 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: Maine speaking of somebody on a different time length. What's 939 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: happening with Charlie? I like your new voice. It's Johnny Most. 940 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad you enjoy it. Wonderful. I aim to please. 941 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: Do you know who Johnny Most was? I do, indeed, yes, okay, good. 942 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure testing the program. Yeah, okay, hey, 943 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: I said you, guys, is an incredible leaks on sending 944 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: out a video showing you this guy is back. He's agile, 945 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: he's quick, and he's ready to compete in the NFL again. 946 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: It was such a great video. I couldn't have done 947 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: a better video myself. Okay, I'm gonna make this really 948 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: really simple for you. Okay, I'm still in communication with 949 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: Jombo Elliott and guess what, just like will Beati's not 950 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: coming back. Jumbo is not coming back either. Okay, you 951 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: see the video, wasn't it good? It was a good Well, 952 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: it was good in your eyes, that's what it was. 953 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: And you have a very special place in your heart 954 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: for will Beati. So we understand that you're not necessarily 955 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: bringing the full range of perspective to this program when 956 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: it comes to that offensive lineman in particular. Hey, he 957 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,760 Speaker 1: will be on an NFL team and probably won't be ours, 958 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: but he'll be on an NFL team this year. You 959 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: want look to night. He's a nice guy. I wish 960 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: him well if he still wants to compete. I hope 961 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: somebody gives him a chance. And if he wins a job, 962 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: that means he earned it. Good for him. And I 963 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: mean that. I mean that because I got along with 964 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 1: Will very very well and his family. Sweet people, nice people. 965 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: But but Charlie, as far as this particular organization, that 966 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: that boat sailed well, and you would think Charlie would 967 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: be the guy that at this point would be aiming 968 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: to develop finding a young offensive lineman. Instead, he chases 969 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: after the Fightery, why aren't you looking at tape of 970 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: the prospects. I never understand. I want a veteran right tackle. 971 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't want some rookie coming in making a bunch 972 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: of mistakes. I want a veteran guy on the right side. 973 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, dropt somebody, But let make him the 974 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: swing tackle. If he's good, fine, that's fine with me. 975 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: Let him learn and give me a veteran That's what 976 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: I want to see on this offensive line. Let me 977 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: let me just say this to you, Charlie, if Risner 978 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: should happen to fall to the Giants at number thirty seven, 979 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: you will be as happy with him as you were 980 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: with Will Hernandez last season. Leisner is the kind of 981 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,399 Speaker 1: guy who who's just a pit bull. He's a He's 982 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 1: a Hernandez type, He's a Richie Soyber type. He's that 983 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: kind of offensive lineman. Trust me, if they draft him 984 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: at thirty seven and you plug him into right tackle 985 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: opening day, you are going to have a very big 986 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: smile on your face, believe me, Charlie, and happy in 987 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: the same sense he will be. He will be, I 988 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,280 Speaker 1: promise you, Charlie. There's a chance, there's definitely a chance 989 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,720 Speaker 1: he should be a high second round pick. That's that's 990 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: that's and and I would be very Andre Diller is 991 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,399 Speaker 1: another one depending upon. There are some people who think 992 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: he could sneak into the low first round, but if 993 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: he's sitting there at the early second round, you absolutely 994 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: got to jump at a guy like that. Well, and listen, 995 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: you can't necessarily compare two thousand eighteen to nineteen. But 996 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: I'll take it a step further, not just Will Hernandez, 997 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: but Brandon Smith, who to the cults two guys high 998 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: second round picks that started as well and played well correct. 999 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: So it's not a stretch to say you can't get 1000 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: a starter, perhaps high in the second Charly, let me 1001 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: just add one thing before we let you go. Okay, 1002 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman himself expressed to us, without giving up any secrets, 1003 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: that there is a deep crop of offensive tackles in 1004 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: this draft. And and I've talked to people who say 1005 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: you might even get a playable tackle in the third round. Now, 1006 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: the Giants, unfortunately are picking late in the third round 1007 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: as the result of the deal with the Browns. That 1008 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: kind of bothers me a little. They may have to 1009 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: move up into the high third round to get one 1010 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: of those plug in play guys. But believe me, do 1011 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,280 Speaker 1: not do not hold it against one of these offensive 1012 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: tackle prospects. If he's picked in the second or third 1013 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: round and assume he cannot immediately start, that would be 1014 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: a mistake. This is a good crop. I I'll take 1015 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: your work in And Paul just passed that video along 1016 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: to Getleman, which yeah, yeah, we'll bother at lunch with that. 1017 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't think of other priorities for him 1018 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: to take care of them. Watching a link sent by 1019 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: Charlie at Portley, Maine that we appreciate. Charlie, thanks so 1020 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: much for weighing in. Yeah, whenever will Petie sends anything out, 1021 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: you know Charlie is going to be right on top 1022 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: of it. But I think it's a fair point that 1023 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: you brought up, Paul in terms of offensive lineman, and 1024 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, as I said, what happened in two thousand eighteen, 1025 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: it's not crazy to think that you could get a 1026 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,399 Speaker 1: starting caliber offensive lineman, especially if this draft is so 1027 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: deep on the defensive front and teams are aggressively pursuing 1028 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: those players. Let's say even in the late stage of 1029 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: the first round, then offensive linemen are only gonna fall, 1030 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 1: which is gonna help a team that did not reach 1031 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,840 Speaker 1: for one early in the draft, but may want to 1032 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: grab somebody in the early stages of the second round. Well, 1033 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,879 Speaker 1: I'll give you some names, Charlie. Okay, you you want 1034 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: to talk about some names who who could be there 1035 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: in the second or third round, who could be plug 1036 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: and play right tackles? Uh David Edwards out of Wisconsin. Okay, absolutely, 1037 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: you know he's not a first round pick, but this 1038 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: guy can play. They've got three offensive I mean, like, 1039 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: I'll give you and I'll give you an idea. All right. 1040 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 1: What I wrote down about him that the characteristics I liked, 1041 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 1: power hands, angles, and he finishes his blocks. What I 1042 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: didn't like so much, okay, is that he extends his 1043 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: arms a little bit too much, so you know, you 1044 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: gotta keep your leverage, so you've gotta keep your arms tight. 1045 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: And he does play a little high at times. But 1046 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: the guy is six seven, nineteen pounds and he played 1047 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. And by the way, they grow offensive lineman 1048 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: like trees there. Okay, if you get him on the 1049 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: on the second day, he's going to compete as a 1050 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 1: plug and play starter. Okay. So so there's a name 1051 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: to watch for. Another guy you might want to watch 1052 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: for Greg Little, who originally was thought of as a 1053 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,560 Speaker 1: first round of but right now a lot of people 1054 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: think maybe he's gonna be a second rounder. Inconsistent. Uh 1055 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: type of guy, but certainly has the skill set and 1056 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: the body makeup. I really like the guy. You want 1057 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,360 Speaker 1: a sleeper, a guy who probably is going to be 1058 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 1: a third round pick. Calib McGarry okay, out of the 1059 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 1: University of Washington, six six eighteen pounds. I wrote down power. Uh, 1060 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: he's got a punch. He plays to the second level, 1061 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,760 Speaker 1: and he takes out linebackers, which is something really really 1062 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: good for sake. Kwon Barkley by the way, Okay, I 1063 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: wrote down, Uh, Well, the thing you gotta deal with 1064 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: with him obviously the heart. He had a heart ailment 1065 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: in school. Uh. Not the most agile guy. And against 1066 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: speed rushers, you know he will have a little bit 1067 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: of problems. You know, he's gonna have to make sure 1068 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 1: he polishes up this technique. But that's why he's a 1069 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: third rounder instead of a first rounder. But that guy 1070 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,319 Speaker 1: is a solid third round pick who absolutely could win 1071 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: a starting job week one, Calib McGarry. So you know, 1072 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: these are the kinds of guy we're talking about. They're 1073 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: not gonna be first rounders. But they'll be there on 1074 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,319 Speaker 1: the second day. Joony could used another one. I mean, 1075 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: are you you know this? This guy could play. Health 1076 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: is also a concern with him, you know. So anyway, Yeah, 1077 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: I did work on twenty offensive tackles, and I'm telling you, man, 1078 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 1: there are guys here. You don't don't don't snuff them 1079 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,399 Speaker 1: off just because they're not picked in the first thirty two. Well, 1080 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: and you hit it right on the nose. That I 1081 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: think is a big part of the conversation that people 1082 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 1: think in order to get a started caliber offensive lineman, Paul, 1083 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: you have to take them in the top ten picks 1084 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. And we just named you 1085 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: two guys between the Giants and the Colts last year 1086 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: Hi in the second round that turned out to be 1087 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,440 Speaker 1: promising starters. Now is it just one year, Yes, it's 1088 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: just one year. Does that mean that they're gonna be 1089 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers? No, that's not what we're trying to 1090 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: spell out here. It's just you could get an impactful 1091 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 1: guy high in the second round. They could come in 1092 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: year one and make significant strong to see. That's why, 1093 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: as I've said to p Peo Bowl with the number 1094 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: six pick. You know, I've been all in on an 1095 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: edge rusher slash right tackle. To me, the only right 1096 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,720 Speaker 1: tackle that you can pick at number six is Jamal 1097 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: Taylor from Florida. Okay, he's John John Taylor, He's that guy. Okay. 1098 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: Outside of him, you gotta go edge rusher at six, 1099 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: because once you get down to the middle of the 1100 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: second round, the edge rushers start to fade away. Well, 1101 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: you can still get a starting right tackle maybe in 1102 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,399 Speaker 1: the third round. They're they're deeper, Okay, they're deeper than 1103 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: the impact pass rushers. Probably also won't be a rush 1104 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,800 Speaker 1: on them, I'm sure. So. To me, that's why I 1105 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: still keep saying to people, it's gonna be edge rusher 1106 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: at number six. I'd consider Taylor, but I think it's 1107 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: gonna be the edge rusher at six. I really do. Well, 1108 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,600 Speaker 1: it's in need and I think it'd be great value. 1109 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: So no disagreement, Darren. This relates to a caller we 1110 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: had earlier in the program before we spoke to Dave 1111 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: Knits about, you know, Josh Rosen speculation and would you 1112 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: perhaps take assets. I truly think that the whole point 1113 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: of Dave Gentleman getting an additional first rounder is to 1114 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: address another area of need, Paul, not necessarily package it 1115 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: to grab somebody perhaps for the future. On potential, I mean, 1116 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: you use both of your first rock picks. Let's assume 1117 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: the Giants do, meaning they don't take it and move 1118 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,279 Speaker 1: it for a venteran or whatever it may be. You 1119 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: can bring in a pass rusher, you can bring it 1120 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: two pass rushers who's the same and seventeen can't be 1121 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,160 Speaker 1: pass rushers, that's absolutely possible. Or maybe an edge rusher 1122 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: and a quarterback at seventeen. I mean, that's certainly largic 1123 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: it could happen to. It's not gonna be a corner 1124 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: at six, I don't think. But there's value in the 1125 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 1: second half of the first round at quarterback well, and 1126 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: that could potentially be two starters on defense. Again, I mean, 1127 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: it's not not gonna help you the way I see it. 1128 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: The value based on what in this draft fits the 1129 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: Giants needs very very very well. You know you need 1130 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: right tackles. There's gonna be a number of them in 1131 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: this draft. You know you need defense, and there are 1132 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 1: plenty of guys on the defensive line and edge rushers 1133 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: and cornerbacks, and the Giants need all those spots. And 1134 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: the value is just littered throughout the first three rounds 1135 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:27,320 Speaker 1: at these positions. So which is again why I insisted 1136 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: to everybody gentleman was going to get a third round 1137 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 1: pick somehow, some way. And you know what, he did 1138 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: get a third round pick. It's lower than I'd like 1139 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: it to be. But I told you he'd get back 1140 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,239 Speaker 1: into the third round. There was never a doubt in 1141 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: my mind. Well, because I think he understands having a 1142 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,360 Speaker 1: volume of picks is going to help you in the 1143 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,400 Speaker 1: long run. And I'm gonna use Indianapolis again. I've brought 1144 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: this team up. I think it's a fair blueprint. They 1145 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 1: moved on from some of their household veteran names over 1146 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,080 Speaker 1: the last few years, Paul. They brought in Chris Ballard, 1147 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: their general managers, a big believer, and you build the 1148 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: team through the draft. So what does he do. He 1149 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: collects a lot of picks last year, Paul, and he 1150 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: grabbed Quentin Nelson in round one. I think that worked 1151 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: out at least in the early stages. He came around 1152 00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,400 Speaker 1: and the offensive line was just terrible for the Cults. 1153 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a huge question. Why do you 1154 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 1: think Andrew Luck got hurt so then he comes around 1155 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,640 Speaker 1: he against Brandon Smith, and then he has another second 1156 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: round pick, Paul, and he gets Darius Leonard. So he 1157 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,439 Speaker 1: got two offensive line s daughters, one of the most 1158 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 1: dynamic defensive players that came out of this year's draft, 1159 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,480 Speaker 1: and he didn't ship picks out of town. He used them. 1160 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 1: So if you're now thinking, okay, well, the Giants, I'm 1161 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: not saying that they have identical picks. I'm just saying 1162 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,640 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman could do the same exact thing. He could 1163 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: dress multiple areas of need and start building up the 1164 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: youth movement, which to me would be a wise game 1165 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,960 Speaker 1: plan and also not stress out your cap. Well, let's 1166 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: again make sure people understand, and I know everybody knows 1167 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: they've got the six and seventeen in round one, they've 1168 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: got number thirty seven overall, which is in round number two, 1169 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: it's actually the fifth pick of the second round. And 1170 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,120 Speaker 1: then in round three, the Giants got to go all 1171 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 1: the way down to overall pick number ninety six, which 1172 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 1: would be uh the thirty second pick of that round 1173 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: the equivalencyat because that's the one that they were able 1174 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 1: to get in the deal with the Cleveland Browns. They 1175 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: had to give up pick number seventy one earlier as 1176 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: part of the trade for Ogletree, So you know, I 1177 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: knew they had to get another pick in that round. 1178 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: They just had to. There's too much talent to be 1179 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: cultivated in the third round not to be utilizing a 1180 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: pick there. Now, the question is, you know, are they 1181 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna stay at ninety six? Maybe Dave uses one of 1182 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: his third day picks in combination to try to get 1183 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 1: up from nineties to get up higher into the third round. 1184 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: You and I have said this multiple times on this program. 1185 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 1: I think with twelve picks, highly unlikely. Not twelve guys 1186 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: exactly the roster. So you have to say to theself, 1187 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: you might as well put two and two together and 1188 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: see what you can get in return. But you know, 1189 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 1: let's not be mistaken here. It's not as if a 1190 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,920 Speaker 1: pair of sevens or something that's going to lead you 1191 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,000 Speaker 1: to the promised land. A three with something. To your point, Paul, 1192 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a logical game plan if you want 1193 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 1: to move up a little bit higher. They've got two 1194 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: and the fourth and two of the fifth, you know, 1195 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,080 Speaker 1: h So you know that that and and then there's 1196 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 1: the compensatory they picked up in the fifth round two, 1197 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 1: So really it's two and the fourth and three and 1198 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 1: the fifth once you get past that. That's what I'm saying. 1199 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: You're kind of talking about throwing picks, ye, just to 1200 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 1: make the deal sound nice. A lot of teams value 1201 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,720 Speaker 1: the fourth rounders more than you would think. And the 1202 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 1: reason is because the way the draft is now broken up. 1203 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,120 Speaker 1: You don't remember the old days, do you, But now 1204 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: the draft is in three days, Okay. In the old 1205 00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: days it wasn't like that. So now you got the 1206 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,560 Speaker 1: first round and everybody says, okay, sleep on it all. Right. 1207 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Now you go next day, rounds two and three, you 1208 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: sleep on it again. So now you've had two nights 1209 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: to sleep on it. And now everybody after the third round, 1210 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,479 Speaker 1: all the NFL teams, we organize their boards and they're 1211 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 1: sitting there and they're saying, okay, let's reorganize again. Basically, 1212 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: we're starting the draft new with the fourth round, and 1213 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: they're saying, we've had time to sleep on it. Who 1214 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,920 Speaker 1: are the sleepers at the top of this fourth round 1215 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: who actually should have probably been legitimate second day picks 1216 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,600 Speaker 1: but somehow fell through the cracks, And we've had a 1217 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,680 Speaker 1: night now to think about this, to let it simmer 1218 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: and marinate, and now that that that fourth round now 1219 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 1: becomes a very interesting round for a lot of teams, 1220 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 1: a very significant round for a lot of teams. So 1221 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,960 Speaker 1: don't just sleep on those because you you can do 1222 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: something with those picks. Well, and that's why I'll bring 1223 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,200 Speaker 1: up an example real quickly before we wrap up. If 1224 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 1: memory serves me, correct the year that they moved up 1225 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: and traded for landon Collins. You know, after the first 1226 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,680 Speaker 1: round wrapped up, the conversation is, all right, who's left 1227 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: didn't go in the first round, So Collins is staring 1228 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480 Speaker 1: at you on the board, and then you start to say, 1229 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,959 Speaker 1: all right, hey, is it feasible we move up? Maybe 1230 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: we could grab a guy who we think is really 1231 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 1: good value. So that's what you're laying out here. After 1232 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: every day you look at who's on the board. Group. Yeah, exactly, No, 1233 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,160 Speaker 1: it's a good way to put it, all right. That 1234 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,120 Speaker 1: is gonna wrap things up for us here. On Wednesday's 1235 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,240 Speaker 1: edition of Big lu Kickoff Live, a reminder it is 1236 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: presented by Course Light down to the Course Live rewards 1237 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,760 Speaker 1: app to win Amazing Giants prizes will be back up 1238 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: and running tomorrow at noon Eastern. 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