WEBVTT - The Odyssey Review + Our Nolan Film Rankings 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:09.120 Warning, Today's episode will not contain spoilers for the three 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.600 thousand year old story The Odyssey has adapted by the 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.960 twenty twenty six summer Christopher Nolan some white Light spoil 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:37.120 spoils you know the story. Hello, and it was Jason 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.880 comes here and I'm Rosie Nike to welcome back to 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.559 the next revision of the podcast where we divedt WITHO 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.519 your Favorit, Joe's Movie, Colleges of pod Cult, Cobody or 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.160 My Heart, where we'll bringing you three episodes a week. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.080 Okay. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.479 In today's episode, guys, is a tough day for me 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.640 the Prestige Christphan Nolan hate the trailblazer of Christophan Nolan 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.880 cynics because we are talking about The Odyssey and guess what, guys, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.520 if fucking bad, it's amazing. So we're gonna be talking 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.600 about why it works, Why did it just hit so 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.520 hard for me and Jason, Why does it feel like 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.640 a timeless movie that's also completely timely. I feel like 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.080 it's bringing back Technicolor. We're gonna be talking about all 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.480 of that. Then we'll be talking about the kind of 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.399 unexpected moments from the movie that really spoke to us. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.920 And of course at the end we're gonna be ranking 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.200 our favorite Christopher Nolan movies because I think for both 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.880 of us this changes that ranking. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:30.640 Okay. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.520 The Artisty by Christopher Nolan, directed by Christopher Nolan, screenplay 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:39.440 by Christopher Nolan, based on The Odyssey by. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:45.440 I Don't Know Tys. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:45.800 No Homeless Club. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.640 We think, guys, you know, hypotheadicly hypothetically, we do. We 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.840 have no idea starring Matt Damon in the titular role Thomas. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.600 I'm gonna call him Thomas because he did, as super 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.640 producer Ian noted, become a man in this he became 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:12.600 a mad Thomas Holland Thomas as as Telemachus, Telemachus telemicus 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:18.440 the way I've been saying it wrong all these three Uh, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:24.760 and Hathaway Robert Pattinson just in his villain bag Bitch 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:31.920 with Samantha Morton, Zendea, Charley's there on many many other. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.400 John Brey would about the Horse Do you want to 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.560 Know about the Horse? From You Got to Know? 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.400 And Uh with music by Ludwig Gornson. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.880 In his Fucking Bag and his Ancient Grecian Bag. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.519 We saw the film last night at Universal City Walk 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.960 and let me tell you, you could tell that Universal is 0:02:55.080 --> 0:03:00.440 feeling like they got the juice, because I mean they 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:05.120 had ushers waving my car in like from all the 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.399 way out on the street, so oh, you exactly where 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:12.400 to park. They had a thirty five foot trojan horse 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.680 out in front of the cinema. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.800 Which if you follow anyone who has a film person 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.720 in LA who was at the screening, you know they 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.280 posted a picture it out, fucking horse. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.360 We all did it. We got how bad it looks good? 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.360 You want to see the horse. You want to be 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:27.360 inside the horse. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.240 Forget side. And of course Universal City Walk. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.119 You know, anybody that wants to it is visiting Los 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.200 Angeles and wants to see a film. The Cinemama Dome, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.320 of course has been closed for a number. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.720 Of years and bring it back. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.240 In my estimation, the place to really see a movie 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.920 on its debut weekend is Universal, if they're doing a 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.440 premiere there or something. It's just a fantastic experience. We 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.080 saw it in the seventy millimeters Imax and. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:10.560 It begs the top top lie it bangs, It's it's amazing. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:17.840 It's got vibes, it's got action, it's colorful, it's colorful, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:22.680 looks amazing, and every single person in this movie is 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:27.280 at the top of their register. Just do killing it unbelievable, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.599 I think so one. I totally agree with you. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.159 CityWalk is a great place to get this experience, though 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.320 I will quickly say give yourself extra time. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.440 They recently added some. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.320 Very dodgy downtown Disney esque security because they don't want 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.720 homeless people in there, so you could gotta go get through. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.240 But once you get into that universal city Walk, you've 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.760 gone through the crazy barriers. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:47.520 That movie theater is. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.240 So cool, it's so huge, and also they had the 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.599 real costumes, the screen worn costumes from the Odyssey. It 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.479 gives you that feeling that you're getting that old school 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:02.680 Hollywood experience right and the huge hor outside. Jason obviously 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.680 no surprise. I went into this with relatively low expectations, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.040 though if you've been listening to the podcast or you're 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.960 my friend or you see me post on social I 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.800 actually was starting to get hype for the movie because 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.320 of Cinema com presentation, and I got a say. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.719 Man, it absolutely lived up to my expect It. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.480 Actually like over delivered, because I think what I loved 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.040 so much about this was the way Christopher Nolan chose 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.599 to tell the story, which I already know from speaking 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.599 to other people, was quite divisive. But Jason, it really 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:41.680 is ellergaic and like story, like lyrical storytelling. It's out 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.240 of timing, it's it seems out of pacing, but then 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.159 it starts to come together and by the time you 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.240 get to the third act and you understand why you've 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.040 been seeing. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.719 It that way, it's so fucking good. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.000 Like I was seeing it with a friend of the 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.280 pod ron who we'd done some other pods with from 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.039 oh hey, it's big wrong productions, and he, you know, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.599 was definitely more skeptical, and he's a big Nolan fan. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.560 First two acts I think did not really work for 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.119 him in the same way. But by the third act 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.120 it was just a little bit choppy. I've heard that 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.159 from a few different people, like the editing was a 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.839 bit choppy. It didn't hit for them immediately. But I 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.440 think that even for people who didn't love that weird, poetic, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:23.760 kind of timeless jumping from here to their kind of storytelling, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.760 by the time the third act comes round and all 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.560 of the plots are tied up, it even satisfied the 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.200 people who were questioning it. But for me, the moment 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.400 it opened with that it opens with a phrase that 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.360 I believe it says in an apparent time of magic, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.000 and from then on it's just like boom, bitch, or 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.839 in a Christopher Nolan fantasy movie, something you didn't even 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:45.720 know you could get. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.919 I listen it. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.400 The one thing that kept leaping to my mind and 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:58.120 watching this film is and why I think it's extraordinary, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:03.599 is that Nolan kind of all the nolanisms are here, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:12.320 the weird time flow, the poetic editing. If you like Dunkirk, 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.720 that you will like the way this movie flows. But yes, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:22.200 uh uh father and sons, children and parents, uh little 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:28.400 metal tokens given by a loved one, massive bass drops. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:32.720 Like boom, incredible, like never choosing to go back home, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.280 always being this strange like fight. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:41.280 Of circular circular storytelling, circular story arcs. He does all 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:45.200 of that stuff that he's done before, but he does 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:50.320 it in the most creative and tasting the way that 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.680 I've seen him do it. Yet agree, I remixes himself 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.840 in this way that's really interesting. And I kept thinking about, 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:05.960 you know, like thes since Tenant have been Away transformed 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:07.840 the movies and movie trailers. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.720 I mean even back to like even back to Batman 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.400 that she was doing the big gongs, but Tenant was 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.880 definitely the totally silly, like almost brown noise level. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.120 Yes, and he's doing it in this but in a 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:22.840 more painterly way. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.440 And when it there's a moment when it comes. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.280 Back at the end, oh man where because he uses 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:34.720 it as a thematic device, less as this kind of churning, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.120 you know, feeling that rumbles the theater, although there is 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.920 a lot of that that is, but when he hits 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.360 this bass note again at the end, you're just like, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.760 oh my god, yes, I know there's I think you 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.800 touched on something there that I really do love. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.680 The remixing of his own work. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.000 I feel like that is why this to me feels 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.079 like his magnum opus. Like I you know, I was 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.040 talking about this with friends. Maybe it'll be cool to 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.320 see him do something deletely original, non historical twenty million 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.839 dollars next, like a Christophanola mini indie. I believe he's 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.160 still got great movies in him, but this, to me, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:15.199 the mystery, the slow burn, the cinematography, the weird out 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.560 of time flow storytelling, like you say it was like 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.000 everything that he learned in film school as a nerd, 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.640 watching Imax movies at the Science Museum. It all led 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.480 to this in a way that emotionally connected with me 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.720 that I have not felt with most of his movies. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.320 I think a lot of his movies, even. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.680 Ten Out, which I love, we know, is like very 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.240 it has this cold sheen to it. I feel like 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.520 a lot of his sci fi is very clinical and 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:51.360 under Ellie harsh led lights, and it's very bright and sterile. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.160 And you can't connect with it. It's interstellar. It's the 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.400 disconnect between like love and science or whatever. This is 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.520 not the case. This shit has I mean, this was 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:00.880 something that. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.920 Actually super produced. Joel did not love, but I did love. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:05.920 There is shit getting stuck on. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.920 Those Imax lenses at all time. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.080 Throughout, Like there is so much like artifacting. There's so 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.960 much like weird fucking eyelashes on the screen. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.520 There's but it's just so all shit and colorful. It 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:20.960 to me. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.720 I was like already excited from the New Dune trailer 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.640 because we'd got on the hint that they were kind 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.240 of going for a technicolor look that we haven't seen 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:30.000 for a long time. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.120 This has that in spades. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.920 You might not have really realized from the trailers, but 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.600 there are these unbelievable moments of Odysseus and his men 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:39.959 going through these huge. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:44.679 Sprawling like bright green fields or gorgeous blue seas, these 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.600 red banners uh la Peter Neongo. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.400 The way that her the tone of her skin contrasts 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.440 with the incredible like lush jewel tones they dress her in, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.160 Like it has color and texture that I have never 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.560 seen in a Nolan movie in my opinion, And I 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.960 thought that on the Imax screen, and maybe I was 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.800 imaxing again because I was kind of close, but like 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.800 it was unbelievable to look at. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.719 I had many moments. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.559 Throughout the movie where I started to get that feeling like, oh, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:14.360 this is cinema. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.800 Like I was getting that feeling in my chest of like. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.960 Oh fuck, like this is why they made a big 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.280 screen to watch a movie on. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:21.959 And that is a magical feeling. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.200 The other thing is that I think about this movie 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.319 almost in the. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.480 The way that I think of you know. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:30.920 D W. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:37.560 Griveth was one of the pioneering early directors. He made 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.760 the Birth of a Nation, which is one of the 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.200 most racist movies ever made, but has some wonderful movie 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:44.160 making techniques and. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.400 Was obviously has been held up by like the AFI 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:47.880 and stuff over many many years. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.800 Sure as a big important place of. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:54.079 Film as an important I think technically it's important in 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.000 terms of content. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:56.280 Is absolutely horrendous. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.520 Now he got absolutely ripped for that movie. So d 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.120 W came back the next year with a movie called Intolerance, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.800 which was all about like how racism is bad. Although 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.760 he would say in interviews he didn't feel that he 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.840 needed to apologize for Birth of a Nation. It was 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:18.040 like he just wanted to show actually it was my critic. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.000 It was my critics who were intolerant in a way. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.839 I in my my own. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:30.280 Like interior fictional universe, I believe that The Odyssey is 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.160 a reaction to to Oppenheimer. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.640 I think it feels like either he felt like he. 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.040 Was making an anti war movie with Oppenheimer, but it 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.400 didn't come off that way, or it wasn't received that way, 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.959 and so he in this movie dials it up and 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:56.000 makes it in a way that that amplifies. I think 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:02.840 the story telling elements in the original text in the 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.719 original Homer and brings it forward, elevates it in a 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:11.600 way as if to say, this is all horrendous. Look 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.600 At how the character is ruminating on how much damage 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:15.120 he's done. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:16.240 Look at how much. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:21.120 Damage has is done to these various characters as they 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.320 seek to go home from this war. Everywhere they stop, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:30.320 they do something terrible to some unwitting group of people. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.400 Or some magical being. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:37.360 And in fact, the pain and the trauma and the 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.480 death that they go through as they try to get 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.520 home is all part of a penance that they have 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.120 to pay for what they did in Troy. And he 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.720 ties that up in a way that just kind of 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.160 builds up, builds up, builds up, builds up, builds up, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.320 and there's a reveal towards there's a reveal basically at 0:13:58.320 --> 0:13:59.240 the end of the movie MM. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.880 That is just like a. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.280 Hammer blow to like hammer at home. He gives you, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.360 you know, it's like you're so used to Nolan movies now, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.480 twenty plus years of Nolan movies, and these he's giving 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:16.840 you these like fragments of images and scenes, and you're 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.520 used to this by now. But he again does it, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:25.480 in my opinion, in this much more organic way, where 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.840 there's a fragment of a scene from the from the 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.440 battle of Troy where the gates have been thrown open, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.320 and you see it is SEUs and he's reacting to 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.680 something and you don't know what, and then you kind 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.960 of forget about it and it comes back, and you 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.520 forget about it and it comes back. And then when 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.280 they give you the whole thing at the end, it 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:49.640 is just like, oh. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.960 My okay, I love the people with that, because again 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.160 I think this is Christopher Nolan learning from himself. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:56.560 Yeah. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.360 Right, it's he does the fragmentation in the past, he 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.480 does the miss he does the puzzle box, but often 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.520 I feel like he leaves it ambiguous or he doesn't 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:05.200 make a statement. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:06.000 It's funny. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.840 This is why you listen to X ray Vision because 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.080 Jason brings up d W. Griffith And I'm gonna tell 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.560 you what this reminded me of, which is The Hunger Games. Right, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.640 if you don't remember, when Susan Collins relaunched The Hunger Games, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.560 she started with a book that was about President Snow 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.200 and she thought it was a book about how easily 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.880 corrupted someone can be who you think is good. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.480 But a lot of readers were like, wait, is this. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.720 Trying to make us empathize with a Nazi during the 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.200 time of Trump, like, what the fuck? So the next 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.400 book she did, Sunrise on the Reaping, which is the 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.120 Hemich book about Hamich in the quarter Quell, which is 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.320 about to probably make a billion dollars when it comes 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.360 out because the book was astounding. She very definitively said, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.920 this is a book about fascism being bad and how 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.800 propaganda plays into it. Sometimes if you tell a story 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.320 like I believe Nolan was trying to do with Oppenheimer 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.000 that he felt was an anti war story, but it 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.800 can be received as a celebration of war or a 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.040 celebration of the person who created this terrible thing, then 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.600 you have to reconsider and say, Okay, I need to 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.480 make it clearer next time if I want to make 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.000 a safe me. It's unbelievably clear here to the point 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:16.240 where you cannot deny what the movie is stating. And 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.200 I have to say, there were That was when I 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.560 really knew I loved this whole movie. Like I did 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.360 not have any of the issues, even the minor issues 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:25.440 that I heard most people have. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.200 It it's a minor I could do. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.680 It just worked. We can talk, but we'll talk a 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:33.880 little bit about that. But the thing. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.560 The thing that was crazy to me was in the 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.560 final moments of the movie, when the reveal really happens 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.280 and you learn a lot more and it all comes 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.760 together and you kind of learn why Odysseus took so 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.600 long to get home, which you know, in the academic 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.400 world and in the world of the Odyssey is very 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.720 funny because we always be laughing about how he's useless, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.200 but they make it really hit here in a very 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.440 emotional way. I knew in my heart all I could 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.440 think about was shit that was going on right now 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.680 in the world, and I was like, Okay, he made 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.320 it like this is the this is the masterpiece, because 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.000 the connection is so organic that you can't deny it, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.320 like you're watching it and you know what it's really about. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.080 It more than an anti war film, I think. And 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.560 this is how I know I really like the movie, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:14.960 because the more I think about it, the more I. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:15.760 Like it same. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.800 It's it's an anti the ideologies that lead to warm. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.720 What I mean by that is, I don't care what 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.480 Christopher Nolan says in any press interview, I don't care 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:32.439 what Universal says in any press interview. The casting of 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.600 this movie is exactly what the people who hate this 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.280 movie for the casting think it is exactly Oh it 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.800 is is that he is making a statement with the 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.040 casting throughout this film, and. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:54.960 He's doing that by one this wonderfully diverse. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.959 And creative casting, whether it's Elliott Page, et cetera. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.359 Wow, Elliott Page costs. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:09.920 Very important role nod minor spoiler minus spoiler cass Elliott 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:15.440 Page as a character who is sacrificed for this great victory, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.240 who is cut loose by. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.240 Their society exactly. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:28.960 In service of accomplishing the defeat of another nation that 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:36.200 they'll it's incredibly powerful and so like. And then when 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.840 you layer that on top of the themes, the way 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.639 that he keeps hammering home, like this idea of taking 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.679 other people's land, invading other people's space, This is what 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.679 Odysseus when he goes home, is angry about. And he 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.920 himself is is ruminating on the fact that I am 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:04.120 now angry, in ciated, rageful about to get extremely violent 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.679 about the things that I did in other countries. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:09.720 For the last twenty years. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.680 Yes, it's coming home and realizing the horrors of war 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.520 in such a visceral way. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.320 And when you layer all that together, I just think 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:24.480 it's a tremendously powerful statement from top to bottom, from 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.720 top to bottom, and even in the casting. And once again, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.400 I don't care what kind of pr and marketing statement 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.720 that Nolan with like Anadyne like, oh. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.639 You know, I just wanted to the best people for 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:37.440 the rule. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:38.919 And she did do that. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.520 Yeah, they are the best people. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.920 They are the best intenervis in service to the message 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.399 of the movie, and that is what makes the movie 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:48.720 so tremendously powerful. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.000 I just think it's it's a masteriece. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.960 Okay, let's let's go to an atbreak and when we 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.680 come back, let's talk more about the cost because I 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.359 think there's definitely some cool shit that we. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.600 Can pull out. Elliott page wise, Yeah, he is why 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:01.400 people are so good. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.959 And we're back. Okay, well, let's talk about Let's talk 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.480 about the cast. Let's start with. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:24.639 So many people. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:26.760 There is so many people I want to start with. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.400 I want to start with Travis Scott because he's the first. 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.919 And you know what I want to give again something 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:35.640 I do not like to hand it to any man, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.040 let alone Christopher Nolan, but a use of Travis Scott 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:45.159 that is so perfect, understated and understood of what a 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.000 bard is what a storyteller is, and is not in 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:52.800 any way some kind of cringey attempt to modernize anything. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.040 In fact, they just again chose the best person for 0:20:56.119 --> 0:21:01.800 the role, and that repeating kind of pentameter of him 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.760 throughout the story and the gongs and the keeping time 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.119 is so fucking powerful. And you're right, Jason, first person 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:11.720 you see, the first person you. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:19.080 See on the screen, and to your point, note perfect beat, perfect, 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:25.320 the exact right amount, the exact right register correct. I 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.639 will also say that like because his voice is the 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:32.560 first you hear. It's the first moment in the film 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.040 where you register, oh, I'm not. This isn't one of 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:41.800 those antiquity movie period pieces where everybody's speaking in a 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:43.199 faux British accent. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.760 And this might be the place where you. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:52.200 Feel that discordantly for a moment, But let me tell you, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:53.000 you don't care. 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.600 By two minutes into the movie, ye do not care. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.280 So I'm again let's talk about it, you know, let 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:01.080 me tell you something. 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.680 John Banthorwack, let me tell you something. He does say 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.679 that the verse launch a thousand tips. That's it. The 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:10.640 thing that I think is so. 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:17.760 Un deratedly smart about Christopher Nolan in this choice is 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.280 one we talked about the most recent Odyssey adaptation, like 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.639 translation by the female academic. 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:25.919 And Emily Wilson. 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:30.320 Emily Wilson and I do think that her kind of 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.040 plain language like. 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.639 This is entertainment was a huge influence. 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.840 And I have to say for me, it works because 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.840