1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: It is Friday. There is a lot to talk about, Jamack. 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: I got eight and a half hours of sleep. That 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: happens once a month, so I'm ready to go. I'm 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: knocking down Red Bull might as well be Raisinets, Baby. 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. I'm knocking them down. I am 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: fired up for a Friday, and Jamak, I'm you know. 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: It's support systems are really important for all of us. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: You had very strong parents, which I think is a 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: great advantage in life. Right. You had good support and 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: good guidance and siblings. It doesn't always happen in life, 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: and that's why it's very hot for little league coaches. 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: And I had great high school basketball. Football coaches were 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: like surrogate parents for me. I want to talk about 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: that because I'm seeing something in sports today that it 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: bumbs me out. So I am a child of divorce. 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: Without boring you, I had a very strong mom. I 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: had a great stepdad who stepped in and was my 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: little league coach, my best friend's dad, Jack Jones. Dad 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: was like a little bit of a surrogate father. I 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: was very lucky. My life could have gone sideways really fast. 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Mom and dad divorced. Dad leaves very decent human being, 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: but he was onto another stuff and I'm just kind 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: of left, just left, and so thank god I had 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: these incredibly strong people in our life, in my life. 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: And I know it's an uncomfortable talk. The media doesn't 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: like this discussion, but Dad's matter a lot on Father's Day. 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: It matters most of the great athletes I've covered in 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: my life. Almost every great quarterback, almost every great one, 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: almost not all strong dad, or if not super strong mom. 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Strong guidance because that brain's still developing. At seventeen and 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: eighteen and nineteen twenty years old, girls mature much faster 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: than boys boys. At seventeen eighteen nineteen, I said yesterday, 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: maybe they're valedictorian. Maybe you're getting them out of juviie, 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: like when you're seventeen eighteen nineteen guys change fast, and 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: we don't mature as quickly. So I saw a story 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: this morning. Ace Bailey is this kind of kid that 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: like his representative, his agent told him, Hey, he told 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: one of the top five teams not to pick him. 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, where are the adults to help this kid? 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: Where are he's getting horrible advice? Reportedly he's a good kid, 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: but when the year started he was considered the second 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: best player to Cooper Flagg, second best prospect. So he's 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: already cost himself nine million dollars, dropping from third where 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: he should have gone to fifth. And by the way, 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: his teammate Dylan Harper, Ron Harper always in his life 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: is there? Unfortunately Ace, dad was in and out of 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: his life. Well, you got mom, you got other people. 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: This story though, where are the adults to help this kid? 56 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Because he hired an agent, Omar Cooper, And I know 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: we don't like agents, right, I don't see this happening, 58 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: you know to a lot of agents players. This is 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Omar Cooper legal issues in the past, not certified agent 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: by the NBA, one NBA client, Ace Bailey. This is 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: not the agent you pick. What's the Lebron's agent? Rich 62 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: Paul Rich Paul. I've seen him let go of clients 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: if they won't listen to him. Rich Paul is a 64 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: very very good agent, excellent agent. This kid needed Rich Paul. 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: He needed Rich Paul. He needed a strong, certified, respected 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: agent because no adults are stepping in for this kid. 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean quality of agents matter. I've had four, trust me. 68 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: There is a big gap in competency in every industry. 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: But this is a great example where the adults are 70 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: not there for this kid. He's reportedly not a bad kid, 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: but Draymond Green talked about this yesterday. This kid now 72 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: already has a reputation, fair or not. 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think it hurt. It didn't hurt. You 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: went five whooped to do. 75 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: But you're walking into the NBA able to strike, And 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: I think that's what's the most important to understand. It's 77 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 3: like you're walking in with a question mark on character, 78 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: You're walking in with a question mark on work ethic, 79 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: you're walking in with a question mark on your. 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: Cam and and agents and family structure is really important 81 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: in NBA basketball because NFL players coming at twenty three, 82 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: twenty four, where all young men naturally mature over time, right, 83 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Trust me as a dad that's got six kids in 84 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: my life. It's the difference between like eighteen nineteen and 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: twenty four is two different human beings, especially with boys. 86 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: And so this is the time where in the NFL 87 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: has a structural advantage over the NBA because kids are 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: just older, you know, they just boys are older. They 89 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: come into the legal but you go eighteen nineteen years old, 90 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: and that's when a young man needs guidance. And this guy, 91 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: adults are failing this kid. He wouldn't work out for teams. 92 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: That's just not what you do. His agent apparently told 93 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: like one of the top five teams not interested. That 94 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: is not what you do. By the way, the other 95 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: guy that the Utah Jazz drafted, Walter Clayton, he's already there. 96 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: He's already in Salt Lake. He's there. So this is 97 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: one of these situations. I know it's uncomfortable and nobody 98 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: wants to talk about it, but those Little League coaches, 99 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: those high school basketball coaches, those high school football coaches 100 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: man or women, are so vital for boys and young men. 101 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: And all I see with this, all I see this 102 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: kid is where are the adults where the helpers all 103 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: right saw this story this morning. Aaron Judge and Shohey 104 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: O Tania been named the American League and National League 105 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: starters for Major League Baseball's All Star Game, so they 106 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: came out today they list the All Star finalists, so 107 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: they break it into like two time periods. These are 108 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: now the only people you can vote for for the 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: All Star Game, and so fans in media, a lot 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: of them complained about the NBA playoffs the finals, well parody, 111 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: no sizzle and no glamour, small markets. That's okay, but 112 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: you better not be the same people complaining about the 113 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Dodgers in the National League All Star finalists having a 114 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: player at every position, every single position, first, second, short, third, catcher, outfield, 115 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't even count the pitchers, and Dave Roberts is managing. Okay, 116 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: you can't. You got to be consistent. I'm Cole Colin 117 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: is consistent. I like most dynasties, Alabama football dynasty, a 118 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: little borings, little boring. But today in baseball, the Dodgers, 119 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: the Cubs, the Yankees, and the Mets are in first place. 120 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: I can't believe the Mets are. They've been playing terrible. 121 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: They're all in first place and I'm all in Colin. 122 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: What about Cincinnati? I was there once. I went to 123 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the airport. I was told they had great chili. I 124 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: tried it. They put spaghetti in it. Wow, revolutionary. Might 125 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: as well be Florence, Italy. I'm sorry. And all these 126 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: New Yorkers are such phonies and hypocrits complaining about the Dodgers. 127 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: I used to work at another network on the East Coast, 128 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: and I remember listening to sports talk radio for a 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: decade out there. Oh, they love the Hot Stove League. 130 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh let's go buy this guy and this guy and 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: this guy. What do you complain about? 132 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: Now? 133 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: The Hot Stove League's now an air frar and the 134 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Dodgers have the best one. Get over it. I mean, 135 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: Dodgers season tickets should come with the two free tickets 136 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: of the All Star Game, apparently, but you know you 137 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: can't have both. You can't complain about the NBA All 138 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: Star you know, and the Dodgers having all the players 139 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: and the Dodgers it's lobsided. I'm all for it. I 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: said last year the National League Playoffs, the Phillies stack, 141 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: Dodgers stacked, Mets stacked, Padres, stacked. It was unbelievable. It 142 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: broke like National League playoff records in the last decade. 143 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: So the last time, there's been two times that I 144 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: can remember rushing to watch the Oscars. It mostly bores me, 145 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: it's too pious and precious whatever, but I went and 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: rushed to watch it was Silence of the Lambs. It 147 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: won the Big Five, it won everything. And the last 148 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: time I rushed to watch the Oscars was oppenheiber It 149 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: won four the Big Five. I don't want to talk 150 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: about budgets. It's not my money. All the owners are billionaires. 151 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: I want to watch the Dodgers. I like dynasties. I 152 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: love the Heatles. It gives you somebody to root for, 153 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: root against. But I do find it interesting that there 154 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: are people out there complaining about OKC and Indie and 155 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: the structure of the NBA, and that's fine. Like I thought, 156 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: it was really interesting until Hali and got hurt in 157 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Game seven and it just felt like another game. But 158 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: you can't complain about that. And the Dodgers dominating baseball 159 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: because it is an All Star team, it is literally 160 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: and they've had pitching injuries or they probably have four 161 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: pitchers in the All Star Game. They already got the manager, 162 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: so I just be consistent on it. I have no 163 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: problem with it. I don't go to a movie theater 164 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: to watch parody. I went to the movie theater for Oppenheimer. 165 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: I go for Tom Cruise movies about once a year. 166 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: You'll get me to a movie theater. You know, it's 167 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: a great director, two or three great actors. That's what 168 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to see interesting, I 169 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: want to see great and so yeah, yeah, all the 170 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Hot Stove League, that was just that. For ten years. 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: I listened to that on sports talk radio on the 172 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: East Coast. Oh, people just jam the phone lines. Let's 173 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: get that guy, Let's get that guy, Let's get that 174 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: all star. Nobody in New York was ever saying, you 175 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: know what, we're taking too much of the talent. It's lobsided. Well, 176 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: it's lobsided now because the Dodger group is richer than 177 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: the Yankee group, and they spend a lot of money. 178 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Yankee still spend money too, Mett spend a lot of money. 179 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: The Dodgers just spend theirs more smartly. And nothing against Cincinnati, 180 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: but spaghetti and your chili does not make you Naples Italy. Okay, 181 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry a little smart Alec this morning. 182 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: But it's all the sleep I got in the Red Bull, 183 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: all right, j Mack, we got a lot of stuff today. 184 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: We talk about it. 185 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff here. 186 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,479 Speaker 6: I thought you liked Joe Burrow just unloading on Cincinnati. 187 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 5: My goodness. 188 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: Well it's when I let's go back to the ACEH. 189 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: Bailey thing. Though. All these players mostly, I've never seen 190 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: an NBA draft with more guys crying, which I love. 191 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: I like the player. I mean, the players go up, 192 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: it's a life changing moment. They're happy, it's wonderful. But 193 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: we have this one kid, and you're like, man, he's 194 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: getting really bad advice. And I don't expect eighteen and 195 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: nineteen year olds. I don't expect them to understand and 196 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: have the self awareness for the entire process. I leaned 197 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: on when I was nineteen or twenty. I leaned on adults. 198 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: Thank God for my stepdad and my high school football coach, 199 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: and like, thank God for that stuff. And so it's 200 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: hard for me. The more I thought about this, the 201 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: harder it is to blame Ace Bailey. I think you 202 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: have to be culpable. I mean, you're nineteen twenty. But 203 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: this is a situation where he needs a gold star, 204 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: five star agent because he's getting bad advice. 205 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 6: Hey, you got to hope that the agent doesn't move 206 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 6: to Utah. Ash Bailey then gets under Will Hardy and 207 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 6: the Jazz. The Jazz have a good infrastructure, right, They 208 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 6: got a good coach, good front office. 209 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: He could turn around. Bailey could be the steal of 210 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: the draft. 211 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 6: He just gotta you're right, distance himself from the bad 212 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 6: news back home. 213 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,359 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 214 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: and Noone easternn AM Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS 215 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: one and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, this is Jay. 216 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: I'm the producer of the Paul and Tony Fusco Show. 217 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to 218 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen 219 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who 220 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 4: have the dumbest takes on sportsmagical. Don't listen to the 221 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: show so it can get camp. 222 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 7: What the hell are you doing our studio hit him, Paul, 223 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 7: Ignore that fool. Listen to the Pauline Tony Fusco Show 224 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 7: on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 225 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: He's still moving. 226 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: So I saw this. The only undrafted player in the 227 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: NFL to ever win Defensive Player of the Year is 228 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: James Harrison. I know, James, straight shooter, gonna be totally 229 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: honest with you. He was talking about Mike Tomlin, the 230 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: guy that he got along with very well. Tomlin and 231 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Harrison were very close. I thought this was an interesting quote. 232 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: He said, with Mike the Steelers coach, the biggest thing 233 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: I guess I like about him is he is a 234 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: players coach. What I dislike about Mike Tomlin is that 235 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: he's a player's coach, and sometimes it disrupts the team 236 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: because he lets certain players get away with certain things 237 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: and it becomes an issue with certain players. Certain players 238 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: can handle that freedom and some players, as we know 239 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: with the Steelers, cannot, And he is what I would 240 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: call I always said this McVeigh with the Rams last year, 241 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: youngest defense in the NFL, fewest penalties. The NFL, especially 242 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: when it comes to playoffs, is about discipline in details. 243 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: The Jets had the most penalties in the league last year. 244 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: The Cowboys were third. Neither still has their coach, they 245 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: have a new coach, discipline in details, win in January 246 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: and February. And Mike Tomlin's a tremendous motivator. He is 247 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: great at the podium. But they haven't won a playoff 248 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: game in eight years, and they haven't beaten an elite 249 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: quarterback in the playoffs in over a decade. There's a 250 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of players in Pittsburgh policing themselves. I always said, 251 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is Pete Carroll podium motivating, fantastic under Pete Carroll, 252 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: the Seahawks and his tenure, second most penalized team in 253 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. Pete Carroll Seahawks, only the dysfunctional Raiders. We're 254 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: more penalized. So it's the whole thing. The tone in life, 255 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: can be parents, can be coaches is set at the top. 256 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: There's a there's a current airlines right now that drives 257 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: me crazy, and I don't like their management that that's 258 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: that's how it goes. It bleeds down to the crew, 259 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: and so playoff football. Andy Reid high volume details, spags 260 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: defense for Kansas City details and so what I think 261 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: is interesting is that sometimes you can have a guy 262 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: that's a little loose in a very strong, detailed culture. 263 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, ioas Fees kind of doing his own thing. 264 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: He worked one of Super Bowl with the Rams. Because 265 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: the Rams culture is so strict, Jalen Ramsey often bouncing 266 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: around now kind of does his own thing, little loose. 267 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: So if you have a strong, strong, defiant, detail oriented culture, 268 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: you can get away with a player or two that's 269 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: a little loose. So what's interesting is the Steelers structure 270 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: at the top is a little loose. And they brought 271 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: in DK Metcalf, the most penalized NFL wide receiver since 272 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: he entered the league. And they brought in Aaron Rodgers, 273 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: and I know, you think I don't like him. I 274 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: would say he's not quite as buttoned up as Tom 275 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: Brady was, you know, Drew Brees was. You know, Aaron's 276 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: gonna show up a little late, gonna be there sometimes 277 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: off season. Aaron's kind of doing his own thing, a 278 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: little loose, gotten a little looser than he was probably 279 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: eight ten years ago. Kind of do his own thing 280 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: in the off season. Dk Metcalf plus the Steelers, this 281 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: is another reason why Pittsburgh James Harrison just saying what 282 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: we all knew is that in Pittsburgh players kind of 283 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: police themselves. How else do you describe this? Eighteen years 284 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: without a losing season, eight years without a playoff win. 285 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: How do you describe that? That the structure of the 286 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: organization is well run, but the coach, the CEO doesn't 287 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: run a tight ship. That's how you explain they're never terrible, 288 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: but they don't win in February January, That's what explains 289 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: that weird juxtaposition of always pretty good, never can beat 290 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: the really great teams. J Mack with a. 291 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: News no, no, turn on the news. This is the 292 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: herd Line news. 293 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 6: All right, the NBA Draft is complete, and we're gonna 294 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 6: talk about Janice and the Milwaukee Bucks column because, according 295 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 6: to a report, Jannis was closely observing how the Bucks 296 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 6: handled the draft and their free agency moves while he 297 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 6: decides his NBA future. Now, this is a little different 298 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 6: tune than what we heard in the last few weeks, 299 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 6: where oh, Jiannis might stick around and closely monitoring the draft. 300 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 5: Colin, I will remind you the Bucks. 301 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 6: Don't have a first round pick until like twenty fifty, Okay, 302 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 6: so they had to settle for a second round guy, 303 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 6: this gentleman, I won't even guess his first name, but 304 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 6: Markovic is his last name. They took him forty seven. 305 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 6: He plays in the Adriatic League. He's staying over there 306 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 6: next season. He's an even coming to the NBA. 307 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 5: Colin what is happening behind. 308 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 6: The scenes on Giannis, because I'm calling BS on this 309 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 6: report that Janni's was closely observing the draft. 310 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, listen, unless you're getting Cooper Flagg, this draft is 311 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: not going to produce immediate results. I think the kid 312 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: from Baylor will absolutely play as a total disruptor on defense. 313 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll score a bunch, but there's about 314 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: three guys to four guys that will literally get into 315 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: your rotation and play a lot. This is not an 316 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: NFL draft, or you know, it's just not. That's not 317 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: what it is. So the idea that you would wait now, 318 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: you could wait for free agency. Houston made a big 319 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: splash in free agency. But if Yannis is waiting for 320 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: the draft, then then he's not serious about moving like 321 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: he wants this. And that's fine. But Milwaukee with Yanna, 322 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: who is still dominant and productive in the Eastern Conference 323 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: not the West, is a one and done team in 324 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs, so they're not like a college player away. Yeah, 325 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean Dallas has much better roster well, and Cooper Flagg, 326 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: as good as he is, is not taking them from 327 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: a five seed to a one. What he's going to 328 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: do could he's eighteen. He'll have some growing pains, but 329 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: he'll be productive. But a d and if Ad Lively 330 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: will be their two best healthy players. And then when 331 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: Kyrie comes back, he'll be in that group. Cooper will 332 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: be at best of four. Caulse he's eighteen years old. 333 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 6: By the way, some Bucks fans are getting delusional, trying 334 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 6: to talk themselves into Oh Notatum, no Haliburton. 335 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 5: We got a shot. Can we just pump the brakes 336 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 5: on this nonsense? 337 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 6: The Calves are a sixty win team they bring back 338 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 6: basically everywhere. The Knicks are vastly superior to the Bucks. 339 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 6: Their roster is, it's not even close. And by the way, 340 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 6: the Bucks are going to lose their center Lopez unless 341 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 6: they want to pay big tax money. They're just gonna 342 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 6: let him walk. 343 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 5: Okay, So then you still got like we like the 344 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 5: Orlando Magic. 345 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 6: I'm telling you Boston and Indiana are still better than 346 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 6: Milwaukee even without those stars. 347 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 5: Yes, I think keep an eye on the Atlanta Hawks. 348 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 5: I think the Detroit Pistons. To me, the Bucks, they're 349 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 5: an eight or play in team. 350 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't they're They're not a playoff team out west. 351 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: Oh hell, you know, no, they're they're a playoff team 352 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: because of Jannis in the East. They're not a playoff 353 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: team in the West. But they're not one of those 354 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: what's that book? It's of mice and man, is it Lenny, 355 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: you squeeze that You squeeze the dog too much or 356 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: something like it. Yeah, And it's like they've just squeezed 357 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: every ounce out of Yannis. They just can't let him go. 358 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: They're squeezing him, and it's like, either to build a 359 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: decade for your fan base. I mean, one of the 360 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: reasons the Packers are so great is they're always good 361 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes great, Like Milwaukee had like two to three 362 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: years you're like, wow, they're special. Really two years and 363 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: since then, it's like, guys stops queezing Yiannis. Let him go. 364 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean, get get players. I just I don't. Again, 365 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: maybe the small market thing, but it's not like Milwaukee 366 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: is that small. I mean you've got the Packers, You've 367 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: got the Bucks, You've got Wisconsin, you've got Big ten Sports. 368 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: You got the Brewers, who are actually a pretty good 369 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: baseball team. It's like they're they're operating like they're desperate, 370 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: and it's like two years ago they should have had 371 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: a plan going forward, like if this guy leaves or 372 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: this guy leaves, it may be time to move Yiannis 373 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: and get four I mean these days for Yannis four 374 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: ones unprotected, an All Star level player and two reserves. 375 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 5: Oh that's a hall. 376 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but this is Yiannis. You could get that 377 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: by Ruby Gobar got Colin. 378 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 6: I just want to remind the Bucks, like, if you 379 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 6: play this dangerous game, Hey, we're just gonna try the 380 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 6: first half of the season. 381 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 5: Then we can move them at the All Star break. 382 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 6: You always get way less the longer you wait to 383 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 6: trade your star. The move is to deal him early. 384 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 6: I think the Bucks are gonna screw this up. Let's 385 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 6: stick in the NBA real quick. Then Knicks continue their 386 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 6: coaching search to replace Tom Thibodeau. Jason Kidd's name is 387 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 6: still out there, even though Nico Harrison said definitely no, 388 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 6: but an NBA agent gave an interview yesterday saying, I 389 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 6: don't really know how that process is for the Knicks. 390 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 6: I don't even know if the Knicks know what their 391 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 6: process is. Basically, you've got a lot of guys bagging 392 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 6: on the Knicks. 393 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 5: What did they do? 394 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 6: They fired a coach with no plan and now they're 395 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 6: gonna like have a major downgrade. They're interviewing James Barrego 396 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 6: this weekend. Get Excited New York real quick on Jason 397 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 6: Kid Colin. It hasn't been talked about a lot, but 398 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 6: the Dallas Mavericks coaching staff lost three assistants in the 399 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 6: last two weeks. 400 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 5: Guys are jumping ship. 401 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 6: Do they know that Kid really wants out or do 402 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 6: they not trust Nico Harrison. 403 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 5: Something quietly is going on in Dallas. 404 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I don't know the answer to that. That 405 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: I mean, getting Cooper flag and ad back. I think 406 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: Dallas that is very suspicious. That's like insider trading in 407 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: a company with all the executives are selling stock and 408 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they were just on barons. It's such 409 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: a great stock. Some things I don't That's I'm glad 410 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned that because I don't know what that means. 411 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 6: Well, I wonder if those guys know Jason Kidd wants 412 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 6: out or Jason Kidd wants an extension and the Maps 413 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 6: aren't given it to him the money he wants, and 414 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 6: he's going to go to the next It just feels 415 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 6: weird with all this momentum of Cooper Flag to be 416 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 6: losing assistance behind the scenes. 417 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 5: I don't know, Nick's never a dull moment. Final story, 418 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 5: Colin is to the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs. 419 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: We haven't talked about him in a few weeks. I'm 420 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 6: sure that life is good in Kansas City. Well, remember 421 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 6: in the draft they took Ohio State tackle Josh Simmons, 422 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 6: who was a super talented player but obviously fell. 423 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 5: Due to a significant knee injury. 424 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 6: Well, Jason Kelsey recently spoke to how good he's looked 425 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 6: so far. 426 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 8: I've watched a lot of these linemen coming out the 427 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 8: last few years. This kid, I mean, he is the 428 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 8: closest thing I've seen to like a Trent Williams or 429 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 8: like adjacent, like that next level like strength and athleticism. 430 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think there's any question. When he was healthy, 431 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: he was he was a bull. You couldn't get past him. 432 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 5: But we're comparing him to a Hall of Famer now. 433 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: No, But I will I will say this, he is 434 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: the there is Remember a few years ago when Brett 435 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: Veach drafted Trey Smith, who dropped to the sixth round 436 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: something yeah, yeah, and he was like a tackle and 437 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: it hadn't worked and they moved him inside. How did 438 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: that go? He ended up being a very high end starter. 439 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: So the feeling is, and this kid's more talented than 440 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: Trey Smith. I'll just say this. There is a possibility, 441 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: and it may be a strong one, that the steal 442 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: of the first round is this kid. There is a 443 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not overly religious, but God makes 444 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: about one or two people a year on the planet 445 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: that are six seven three point thirty with good feet. 446 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: This kid has it. So I'm not saying he's gonna 447 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: be great. But if you told me, oh, there's a 448 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: guy that went mid to late first round that's better 449 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: than anybody in the top ten, it would be this kid. 450 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: That's a that's a great take. Listen, He's talented. He 451 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 5: was a big time recruit. I'll say this. It changes 452 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: the trajectory. 453 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 6: You know, I'm on the board of Chiefs are not 454 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 6: making the playoffs. This will radically change their season if 455 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 6: they can find a left tackle. Remember they were so 456 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 6: desperate after that Super Bowl loss. They got the backup 457 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 6: swing tackle from the nine zero who hasn't proved Jack squad, 458 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 6: so like that was. 459 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 5: Their potential solution. So if Simmons is healthy it. 460 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 6: Can play, that's a game changer for them. 461 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean a lot. Usually at the end of the 462 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: first round. Remember the Chiefs got Worthy of the receiver 463 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: from Texas. 464 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 5: Yep. 465 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: And my take was, he's a gadget player. You're he's 466 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: not a high volume guy. And and and by the way, 467 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: that's sort of what he is pretty much like Rashi 468 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: Rice will be the volume guy. He is a gadget guy. 469 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: And that's a good pick. End of the first round, 470 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: I think, you know, like you get into the first round, 471 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: top of the second. The Seahawks got a safety from 472 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: South Carolina, I think top of the second. That's an 473 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: unbelievable pick. Top of the second like a guy that 474 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: will come in and be a dynamic starter. Like like, 475 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: end of the first round is a little bit of 476 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: no man's land. You're taking a guy that's been injured 477 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: or he had a little bit of an issue. I mean, 478 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: even Brett Beaches missed. Remember the running back from LSU. 479 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: They took end of the first round, and then Isaiah 480 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: Pacheco goes like six or seventh and he's the star. 481 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: So end of the first round it's not a place 482 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: you'll want to be a lot of I've talked to 483 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: gms of the years after, like the twenty third pick. 484 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Guys would rather trade back and get an extra fourth 485 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: round pick. But if this kid could end up being 486 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: the steal of the draft in the first round. Jmack 487 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: with a. 488 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: News Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by 489 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 2: the herd Line news man. 490 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: See that I get a good night's sleep. So, J Mac, 491 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: you and I disagree on two people brought perty in 492 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: Austin reeves. But here's what's interesting. So I when I 493 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: started my little company, one of the things I learned 494 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: very quickly about a year in is you have to 495 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: be ahead of everybody on the contracts. You have to 496 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: be talking about contracts with your employees a year before 497 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: they care about it, because your responsibility for the entire 498 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: fiduciary responsibility of the company. So I think about this 499 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: stuff all the time, is are you ahead? The Cowboys 500 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: and the Lakers get behind on contracts A lot and 501 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: you end up paying Dak a fortune. But the Austin 502 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: Reeves one is interesting. Don't take any agenda, go into 503 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: this with an open slate if you love him. So 504 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: the Lakers said, here's eighty nine million, four years, even 505 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: though you have a year left, twenty two million a year. 506 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: He turned it down. Now, I would pay Austin Reeves 507 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: that he's twenty seven years old. You get about twenty 508 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: a game. He's in his prime. I could pay him. 509 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: With the new TV contracts, I'd have no problem paying 510 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: him twenty two million a year for the next four years. 511 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: He didn't want to do it. He turned it down 512 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: because he wants to go to the een of the 513 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: open market, where he would get on the open market 514 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three million, which is about forty 515 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: four to forty five million annually. I'm not paying Austin 516 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: Reeves that or in one year he could be eligible 517 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: for five years and two hundred and forty six million 518 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: from the Lakers forty nine million. So once he turned down, 519 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: which I think is a very reasonable number for maybe 520 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: it's a little Laker friendly, but twenty two million a 521 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: year not. You know, we saw him get worked in 522 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Playoffs is where the money's at. Derek White's 523 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: very good in the playoffs. I said, I like Derek 524 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: White as my I think I think you're a great 525 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: team if he's your four. Derek White was the Celtics four, 526 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: they won a title. Austin Reeves now is a three. 527 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: So this is how it works. So you're looking at 528 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves and he goes, I want to go to 529 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: the market or in one year, I want the Lakers 530 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: to have to pay me forty nine million. Now they 531 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to, they could negotiate it, but you know 532 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: how it is. If that's the starting point, that's your max. 533 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: You're not going from forty nine to thirty four. So 534 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: this is what this is what I've talked about with 535 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves. You've got to get ahead of this thing. 536 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: Otherwise you're going to turn into Dak and be You're 537 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: going to be trapped. Here's what takes you out of 538 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: the championship bubble. More than anything in sports. Paying b 539 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: players a money kills you in the NFL with your quarterback, 540 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: crushes you in the NBA. And the Lakers also have 541 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: a Luca extension this summer. They got to finish. That's 542 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: four years and two hundred and thirty eight two million dollars. 543 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: You got to sign that, and you're paying lebron a 544 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: ton and you also, I mean you drafted some center 545 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: who's not really long, not much of a rim protector. 546 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: He's a tough guy, physical guy. Eh, you're not very 547 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: good at center. So this is a prime example, whether 548 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: you like Austin Reeves or not. The Cowboys a story. Now, 549 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna pay Michael Parsons an NFL record 550 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: salary that didn't get ahead of it. Dak Prescott didn't 551 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: get ahead of it. So once Austin Reeves turns down 552 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: twenty two million a year, which I thinks about his value, Okay, 553 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: now you're in the forty five million dollars a year, 554 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: double that in one year. I'm not going there. So 555 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: when I say you got to move Austin Reeves, fall 556 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: in like with players, fall in love with your kids, 557 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going forty five large for Austin Reeves. Twenty two. Yeah, 558 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: I'd probably go to thirty. But when that Derek White 559 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: contract was offered or discussed on this show yesterday, I'm like, Okay, 560 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: Eric White's different better defender. Trust him hitting threes, big 561 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: time playoff and finals experience. But this my rule has 562 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: always been in sports, outside of injuries, nothing kills championships 563 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: like paying B to B plus player players A to 564 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: A plus money. Tom Brady, Drew Brees understood that can't 565 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: be the highest paid quarterback, can't have the highest cap pit. 566 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins has had a lot of those, made a 567 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of money, not win a lot of playoff games. 568 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: All right, we have Chris Bruce Art stops by today. 569 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I saw this. 570 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: It's an interesting topic. So I know I've talked a 571 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: lot about Caitlin Clark, but there's a player in the 572 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: WNBA that is defending Caitlin Clark and she used an 573 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: interesting word to defender, and I want to talk about 574 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: this story and the downside to relevance that is coming up. 575 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: Net be sure to catch live editions of The Herd 576 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: weekdays and noon Eastern non a em Pacific. 577 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 5: Bryson, Keepka, Brom, Phil and DJ. Some of the. 578 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 6: Biggest names in golf are headed for a Texas shootout 579 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 6: at Live Golf Dallas. Catch coverage of round one today 580 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 6: at two pm Eastern and Round two tomorrow at three 581 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 6: point thirty, all on Fox. 582 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: So this is an interesting word. So Paige Beckers an 583 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: unbelievable rookie in the WNBA. Caitlin Clark's the most interesting 584 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: player in the league. Page Beckers maybe the most talented 585 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: young player even I mean overall, she may be more 586 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: complete than Caitlyn Clark. And then there's Aja Wilson, who's 587 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: the best player in Vegas. So Paige Beckers was denouncing 588 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: quote inhumane pressure on Caitlin Clark amid her three point 589 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: shooting slump. Inhumane. So let me tell you what's going 590 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:12,239 Speaker 1: to happen in the WNBA. Get ready for it. The 591 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: national media is paying attention now, and the criticism is 592 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: going to follow suit, and you're going to have a 593 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: lot of media jumping in, especially at the other place, 594 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: pandering and defending the players to this sudden harsh criticism 595 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: because the way it works in my business, more eyeballs, 596 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: more opinions, and the WNBA just posted one hundred and 597 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: eighty percent growth in a year, so they're now relevant. 598 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: So Caitlin Clark is not facing in humane pressure. She 599 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: is facing relevance and pressure. If you're Taylor Swift, if 600 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: you are the Tiger Woods of women's sports. You are 601 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: going to face pressure, and it's an absolute privilege. Whether 602 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: you're a talk show host, a star athlete, the number 603 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: one pop star in the world, or a politician, it 604 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: is a privilege to face pressure cause you matter. And 605 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: so for years and years, the WNBA lamented. There's a 606 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: lot of tears. We don't get the respect the money 607 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: of the men. Well, you didn't deserve it. Right now, 608 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: the league's ratings are going up, I mean literally spiking, 609 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: and you're negotiating a new TV contract with the relevance hums, 610 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: criticism and by the way, praise. There'll be a lot 611 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: of praise. There'll be a lot of fluffy pandering at 612 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: certain places, not us, but that you'll get that in 613 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: a lot of places. But this whole thing is that 614 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: it's in humane. No, it's not. No, it's not it's 615 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: if you are Caitlin Clark and right now. I did 616 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: this the other day. I said, there's about seven untradable 617 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: athletes in the world. She's number one. You can't trade her. 618 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean even Rinaldo's moved around, Lebron's moved around. Okay, 619 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't trade her, So I thought it 620 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: was interesting inhuman No, it's not. It's just the reality 621 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: of being relevant. So I was talking about Austin Reeves 622 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: and the Lakers just got purchased. And I said at 623 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: the time, it shows the health of the league that 624 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: they went for ten billion, seventy six billion dollars TV contract. 625 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: Regardless of draft ratings or NBA ratings. It's relevant in culture, 626 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: relevant with merchandise. It's a relevant league. We don't talk hockey, 627 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: it's a relevant league. So but the Lakers became a 628 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: mom and pop organization. And I was talking to somebody 629 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: two days ago. There's stuff behind the scenes that is boring. 630 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: But they just I mean, they didn't go They didn't 631 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: have certain scouts that other teams had, they didn't buy 632 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: certain like services, analytics services that every other team had. 633 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, Utah Jazz have a lot more 634 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: money in the LA Lakers, And I mean, one of 635 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: the reasons they gave, you know, one of the reasons 636 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: I believe that they're sort of paralyzed by Lebron James, 637 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: despite knowing he kind of controls the team is he 638 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: sells merchandise. You say what you want about Lebron James. 639 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: You go to a Laker game, everybody's got a phone, 640 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: all those influencers going to their websites and going to 641 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: their blogs and going on their ig and tiktoks showing hey, 642 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I was at the Laker games night. He moves an needle. 643 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: But I've said the Cowboys are very similar to the 644 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: Lakers in that you think, oh, big money. No, no, 645 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: Rams are big money. Castan Kronk's got big money. The 646 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: Cowboys are mom and pop. So I saw a story 647 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: this morning that Micah Parsons is reportedly going to sign 648 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: a historic tracked in coming weeks once again. And I 649 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: like Micah Parsons. There are an but he is a 650 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: bit of a splash player and he was in college. 651 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: He'll make highlight plays. He'll beat really bad corners. I mean, 652 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: he's got fifty two and a half sacks in his career. 653 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Ten and a half are against Washington. I think five 654 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: and a half are against Carolina, four and a half 655 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: are against the Giants. He's got a big chunk of 656 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: his sacks on three awful teams until Washington hit on 657 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels. So witnesses like Austin Reeves, I am willing 658 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: to pay a plus money for a plus players. There's 659 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: a lot of great defensive players in this league, but 660 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: I think the really smart organizations, the really smart organizations 661 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly stay young and cheap on defense. Chiefs in the 662 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Rams accept unless you have an elite defensive lineman. There 663 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: are five currently this is it, five current defensive players. 664 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: I just pay whatever it takes, whatever the market bears. 665 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, I'm paying whatever it takes. Jared Verse. You 666 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: don't have to pay him for a couple of years, folks. 667 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: He's the closest thing I've seen the Lawrence Taylor on 668 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: the edge potentially like this kid. He was a rookie 669 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: wait until this year, Max Crosby, Patrick Certain and Chris Jones. 670 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,959 Speaker 1: Chris Jones an interior defensive lineman. He may not play 671 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: for another four years. I'd pay him. And you can say, oh, 672 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: what about Hendrick sin with the Bengals so so against 673 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: the run. He's thirty years old, so he's also on 674 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: the edge. The Aaron Donald's and the Chris Jones that 675 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: go inside. It's a lot of those on the planet. 676 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: So and as you know, there's like Will Anderson of Houston, 677 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: I'd like to see one more year. He's close. Jalen 678 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: Carter of Philadelphia was a little scorely in college. I 679 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: worry a little bit about the maturity. Probably really close, 680 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: he'd be six. But Micah Parsons, even in college, he 681 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: was a splash player. If you go and you're totally 682 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: honest about this, boom or bust was great for Jerry 683 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: Jones in the oil business. It's not great for pass rushers. 684 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: I need boom all the time. That's Miles Garrett or 685 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: Jared Verse. So we've talked about this before. How are 686 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: you in the playoffs as a pass rusher again, when 687 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: when you're in division with awful Washington for years, you're 688 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: playing Carolina every other year it's the New York Giants turnstile. 689 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in that. If you look at Micah 690 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: Parsons in the regular season and in playoffs, he disappears 691 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: in the playoffs four games, one sack, no force fumbles, 692 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: not that many quarterback hits. Why Because he's a bully. 693 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: He's great against average, the small kids on the playground. 694 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: So if Miles Garrett's different. Miles Garrett is the highest 695 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: greded defensive player according to PFF in each of the 696 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: last three seasons. He's great against the Ravens, He's great 697 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: against the Steelers. Miles Garrett is great all the time. 698 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: Jared Verse is unblockable. Sharn Armstead a very good tackle 699 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: for Miami. He said, who you gonna miss? He goes, 700 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna miss Jared Verse as a rookie. I 701 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: don't want to face him anymore. Unblockable. Max Crosby again, 702 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: here's a guy. You know. Here's a guy because his 703 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: team O was Trails Max Crosby. At the end of games. 704 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: A lot of teams play the Raiders. They lead in 705 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: their milk in the clock disadvantage for him. Patrick's certain 706 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: three straight Pro Bowls. Best corner in football, mature adult 707 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: can tackle, can defend short, intermediate, deep. And then Chris Jones, 708 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: who remains a guy that you also Chris Jones, which 709 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: is really rare. You can move him anywhere. He'll find 710 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: the weak spot. He'll go edge, he'll go inside, he'll 711 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: go nose, he'll go anywhere. But I'm a big believer 712 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: that you don't payt now TJ. Watt, I know you love. 713 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: He's thirty years old, okay, and coming on the edge. 714 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: Chris is an interior and you just don't. There's not 715 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: many of those in the world. I mean Aaron Donald. 716 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: I could be wrong on this, j Mac. 717 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 5: I think Eric. 718 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald retired at thirty two. 719 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean. 720 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: So the interior guys don't last very long. There's and 721 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: it's much easier to find edge guys. That's why, like 722 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: like a TJ. Watter or a Will Anderson, it's much 723 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: easier to find the edge guys than a Jalen Carter, Well, 724 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: Chris Jones. I mean, we know, and I say great 725 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, we all name two, Aaron Donald and Reggie White. 726 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: If I say great edge rusher, there's twenty we would 727 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: name off the top of our head real quick. 728 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 5: I get it. 729 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 6: Jared Versus was a beast. Okay, you can't put him 730 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 6: above Aiden Hutchinson. 731 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 5: Colm. 732 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 6: Aiden Hutchinson is unbelievable. I know he had the injury, 733 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 6: but that's not an argument. Come on, he doesn't defend 734 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 6: the run, he doesn't anyone else on the line. He's 735 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 6: a one man wrecking crew with no help. 736 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: Every gem in the league, if you put those two 737 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: out there would take Jared verse every gym. 738 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 5: Let's put that to the test. 739 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: Jared Verse. Jared Verse, as a rookie, was a bullying 740 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl left tackles