WEBVTT - Not me, Not Hermione, YOOAUR 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.240 We still never determined what non binary wizards are calling. Well, 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.080 we're about to have a whole podcast talking about Harry Potter, 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.159 so well, I think there needs to be you know, 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:15.640 an x in there somewhere you know magic or its 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.840 magic c x N. Just I wanted to be as 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:28.800 difficult to say as Yeah, Rose, Rose, Rose Rose. Our 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.800 first episode of the podcast. Oh my god, this is 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.159 so exciting. I feel like reaching the let's make a 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.640 podcast stage of our friendship is it's really a rite 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.240 of passage. Yeah, But also I feel like the let's 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.920 make a podcast stage of our friendship was our entire friends. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.599 We're just like, how can we capitalize off of our 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:54.200 deep connection and intellect and humor? Are witticisms and cultural knowledge? 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.880 Should we introduce ourselves? I feel like y'all know who 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.640 we are. But I am frand to Ron and I'm 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.120 Rose damn you and this is like a virgin our 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.400 new podcast that you were listening to for the first time. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:11.440 Isn't that amazing? You are so lucky you, You are 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.880 so lucky and so special, and I love you for 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.040 listening to this podcast. You were talking the way Oprah 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:24.160 talked to Gaga right after she did with holding her shoulders. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:29.720 No one does that. Um like a virgin is really 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.680 our friendship in podcast form because there has been this 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:40.200 trope in our friendship where I will, you know, like 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:45.520 mention something like a movie or a TV show or 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.120 like a cultural phenomenon. I'll be like, oh, scream like 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.000 at that, and I'm like, oh, I've never seen that. Yes, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.960 And during the pandemic especially, I feel like we spent 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:02.000 so much time introducing each other to pieces of pop 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.240 culture that like the other one loved. I think it 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.840 was more like me force feeding you pop culture. I 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.920 will say it was a mixed bad because some of 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.880 these things where I was like, wow, I can't believe 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.520 I've gone this long without seeing the Elvira movie, and 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.200 then with things like Twilight, it's like I very proactively 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.079 have not been watching this and by choice, and then 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.200 you tape my eyes open. I think that dynamic is 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.800 like pretty emblematic of like the very different ways that 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.960 like you and I grew up, you know what I mean. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:35.840 I think that was like kind of slutely. That's like 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.560 something that came through as we were like you know, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.880 in the pandemic, like months and months just like vegging 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.720 out ordering really bad pizza because we're in Los Angeles 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:49.160 and cannot do pizza. Um, discovering that you know, you 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:54.800 really have like an unfettered cultural like encyclopedia, especially when 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.200 it comes to like cult classics and like queer gay 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.079 kind of like canon stuff, and you were super sheltered 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.280 and didn't consume any of that. Actually, yeah, maybe that's 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.440 helpful context. Okay, So like I don't want to get 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.280 too deep into it, but like just the gist of 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.880 like baby Fran and how I grew up up until 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.240 maybe like my freshman year of high school a total 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:20.840 Jesus freak okay, like purchased Jesus themed shirts at the 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.799 Family Christian bookstore had the where you jerking it to Jesus. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.200 I don't recall actually ever jerking it to Jesus, but 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.680 I definitely have been aroused by biblical cartoons and the 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:37.640 Prince of Egypt. Hello Everyone's erotic Awakening. But like literally 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.640 like the w W j D bracelet, like I listened 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.880 to like Reliant Kay and switch Foot, and like only 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.400 listened to Christian music. I went to church two to 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.640 three times a week. I wanted to be a Jesus 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.080 Camp counselor. I went to Jesus Camp seven years in 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.080 a row. Like I there was nothing that could like 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.200 throw me from the dedication I had to our Lord 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.280 and Xavior Jesus Christ, except of course, when I realized 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.640 that I like to have sex with men um and 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.560 that kind of I was just like, oh, actually this 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.960 is fine, and I'm kind of over it. Um. But 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.280 that was how I grew up. And because of that, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.880 my parents, like all my family fundamentalist Christians, really like 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:17.240 sheltered me from the rest of like mainstream culture, with 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.600 a few like weird exceptions that we'll get into at 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.920 another time, but like most for the most part, I 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.560 grew up in a cultural vacuum. And so I didn't 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.960 know who the Spice Girls were, and I didn't know 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.160 that scream was a thing. In fact, I wasn't even 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.520 allowed to watch any of the horror any horror genre 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.719 stuff at all. How did you grow up? Bros Well? 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.360 I think that my cultural knowledge is partially the product 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:48.159 of um, a lack of supervision. UM. I'm a child 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:54.520 of divorce and I have younger siblings, so especially in 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.720 my formative years when I was a teenager, I just 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.640 kind of like had the read them to do whatever 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.880 I wanted to and consume whatever I wanted to do 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.919 with like very little parental oversight, and that meant a 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.839 lot of exploration on the Internet. I was also very 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.680 much like an indoor kid, very Matilda energy. I was 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:21.760 a big reader very early, and then that segued very 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:28.360 organically to the Internet, and I discovered fandom and fan 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:34.200 fiction like pretty young and just kind of like consumed 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.840 every kind of pop culture I wanted to and was 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.320 very obsessive. You know what's so funny is like reading 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.600 is really the gateway drug to corrupting all these kids, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.880 because I don't know what your parents were like, but 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.279 my parents were like, you can't watch this, you can't 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.680 go to this, you can't do this, you can't have 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.479 slumber parties. But they were like, oh, if you're gonna 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.320 go read a book, like reading is just good for everybody. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.440 You can get anything. Nothing bad happens in books, nothing 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.400 bad happened. Then I would be like, literally, you know, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.160 in like the y a section, finding every book that 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.400 had like a very a grazing, eclipsing sex scene in it, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.640 and like I don't know, pulling my page. Um, but 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.719 I feel like that I have to say I hate 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.000 that phrase, slow my page? What what do you what 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.520 do you hate about it? It just doesn't sing to 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.200 my ears? What what would what would you prefer? I say, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:26.160 I'm jerking off, jerking mas masturbating. Um I loved in 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.440 in Spencer when when Kristin Sewart says, can you leave, 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:35.000 I'd like to masturbate again? Just solidifying it in the 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:39.480 lesbian cannon. We will be talking about Spencer today. UM. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.440 I think part of the reason why our friendship works 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.440 is that we're coming from these two very different point 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:53.040 of views, but also are unified in our obsessive love 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.800 of the things that we love and our desire to 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.800 share those things with the people we love. Yeah, Like, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.280 one of my biggest love languages is like, if I 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.280 love something, I really want all my loved ones to 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.520 experience it with me, honestly at associopathic level, Like if 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.400 you watch like an episode of your Hostice of Everly 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.160 Hills and you don't tell me, like, I'll be sad, 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:17.480 yes that that has happened, probably probably pretty recently. And 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.840 also you know, our text chain is like do you 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.600 want to go to the movies tonight? So we can 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.840 see this movie together because we have to see it together, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:30.480 although under penalty of death. And that is the energy 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.720 that we're going to bring to this podcast. We are 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.720 going to be introducing each other to these formative pieces 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.200 of media, and if not you know, introducing, I think 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:46.000 at least introducing the other person to a different part 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.240 of it or a different like point of view on it. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.000 And sometimes we will be joined by guests who will 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.040 aid one of us in force feeding the other some 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.160 some piece of media or maybe neither of us have 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.600 watched end. Our guest is going to come in and say, hey, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.960 y'all are missing out on X, Y and Z, and 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.880 I think, you know, and the visions in the in 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.440 the world of like a Virgin don't always have to 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.640 be us. Sometimes they will be you, our listeners, and 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.559 you will experience whatever we're talking about for the first time. Yeah. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.240 I think that if there's one thing that like we 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.280 want people to take away from this podcast, aside from, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.560 you know, a showcasing of our friendship and our witticism. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.560 I wasn't reaching out for you to hold my hand. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.800 I was just stretching right. I will reach out to 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.080 grab Rose's hand and she wasn't reaching from my att 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.880 she was just stretching. And this that is our friendship 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:45.480 in a nutshell, Oh my god. What you can expect 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.440 from every episode is that, you know, we'll start off 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.360 talking about what's going on in the world, what's going 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.880 on in pop culture. Then we'll get into our main discussion, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.000 whether it's like a book, a movie, um an era, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.400 an album, and then we'll you know, finish it off 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.400 with like a a fun little game or like a 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.000 prompt or something. Will change it up, will change it up, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.400 fran Yeah, I think that one of the things people 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.080 will begin to understand about this podcast is that this 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.920 podcast is hosted by a Glinda and an Alphaba. Jadis. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.320 Can y'all guess who who is who? I don't. I 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:30.680 don't think it will take a mastermind to or or 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.640 really even listening to the whole episode to figure out 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.680 that I am the Alphaba. Fran is the Glinda. That's right, Alfie. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.720 I do not quite have like the register that Christian 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.640 China with possesses, but you know I can sell it. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.959 You'll get there. I should actually be practicing the new 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.600 canon Glinda, which is someone who's who's gonna mumble a 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:57.000 little bit maybe say yeah, I can't do it. In 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.720 case you've been living under a rock, last week it 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.960 was a announced that the Wicked movie, which I still 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:07.000 don't believe is actually happening, has found its leading ladies 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:13.680 in Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo. Cynthia Rivo is amazing. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.800 I'm also really happy that a black woman is playing Alphaba. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.200 I'm also grateful that someone's playing Alphaba who will actually 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.280 hit the note into buying gravity. I am really looking 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:30.000 forward to Ariana in a blonde ponytail um, appearing in 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.400 a bubble and going the Wicked Witch of the West 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:40.240 is dead. Yeah, she's such a theater gay. Like she 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.680 is such a theater gay. Well, I mean, there was 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.240 that tweet of hers that people were retweeting about how 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.200 she wanted to play Glinda one day in two thousand eleven, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.320 but also you know she'd wanted Alphaba. No, she did 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.760 the Wizard and I on that Wicked TV tribute a 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.080 couple of years ago. And I don't think that you're 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.520 Ariana Grande getting cast in a Wicket movie, and don't 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.200 like think of the possibility that you could play Alphaba. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.679 But I really like that because I think wanting to 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.400 be the star is very Glinda energy. It is so 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.160 so she will bring that to the role. And let's say, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.600 you know, Wicked is even though it's alphabets story, like 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.839 they are kind of co leads, even though Alphabet has 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:30.760 more songs. Yeah, I am honestly just here for an 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.680 era where in Ari is trying to be in movies 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:38.200 because she was rumored for like Meg and Hercules, She's 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.440 been rumored for, like other casting opportunities. I feel like 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.240 she's trying to do what Gaga is trying to do, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.400 which is what share did you know what I mean? Like, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.680 I think they're all trying to do the pop start 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.040 to like actress pipeline. But does that mean we're going 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:58.000 to get you know, serious press tour Ariana Grande in 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.800 a bunch of you know, like of ugly pink dresses 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.920 if it ever happens, because she does not do good 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.280 red carpet. Look. I love Arianna, don't come from me stands, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.440 but she does not usually serve on the red carpet 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.600 or you know, there's going to be a green carpet 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.960 at the premier. I I'm excited for the tour. I personally, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.480 I'm a big um John, I'm Chew fan, Like I 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.600 love crazy rich Asians. I think that like his style 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.240 of directing is kind of like I hate that I'm 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.320 saying this, but like he's doing what like Basilerman used 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.439 to do with like maximalism and like sense like that 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.120 this kind of sensational like big like I think that 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.400 saying he's doing what Basilerman used to do. Well, Basilerman 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.640 doesn't make movies anymore, No, but Basilerman is what he 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:52.480 does is nowhere near as stylized as what Basilerman did. Okay, well, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.600 I'm excited to see what he does with Wicked, But 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.000 I also have to say that the people that have 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.640 this adaptation in their hands have a huge responsibility because 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.439 we waited two decades now for this to be solidified, 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:11.240 and if it is postponed any longer, days will riot 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.280 in the streets, there will be an uprising. Well, there's 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.959 lots of other movies that actually have come out, and 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.600 we have seen a bunch of them, all of them. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.880 We have nothing to do. Yeah, well, we're also in 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:33.400 prime movie going season. Last week we saw Dune. Um, well, okay, subjective, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.280 I saw Dune France. Slept through most of Dune. Okay, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.520 we we got blitzed, dear audience, we got we got 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.680 very stowed. Um. I kept hitting my vape in the bathroom. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.360 Oh my god. It's a movie about a space twink 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.439 that everyone wants to fuck and it can't be interpreted 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.920 as anything else. No. Um. I also did love the 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.240 very like boring modern names that all of these space 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.640 here has had, Lady Jessica Paul, there was a guy 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.920 whose last name was Idaho. It was just like weird, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.080 like come on over here, Brad Jake. Yeah. It's also 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:17.000 a heartwarming road trip story about a boy and his mom. Wait, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.680 they go on a road trip. Yes, you were asleep, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.600 fully asleep. Look the recliners that the a m C. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.120 Universal Those are some nice chairs. They hit well. One 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.880 movie that you didn't sleep through that we also saw 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.960 this weekend was Spencer, starring Kristen Stewart. And let me 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.680 tell you my expectations for this film. We're kind of 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.360 low not to be a total bitch about it too late. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.840 And I don't say that to like Meg Kristen Stewart, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.680 but I am not like a twin Hard and I'm 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.520 not like a a case do writer die? And so 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.560 you're not a Chrismian. I'm not a chrisbian. Um, that's 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.640 what we call ourselves. I am not a Chrisbian. And 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.040 I went into this movie with no expectations and I 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.880 left really loving what I saw with a handful of exceptions. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.840 What did you think? I loved it. I thought it 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:10.000 was so beautiful. I thought Kristen was incredible. She will 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.960 win the Oscar. I think she'll be nominated. I don't 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.040 think it's a shoe in for a win. We will 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.400 have to see who she's up against. But I think 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:23.160 it was Oscar winning work. Like it was obviously very serious, 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.360 but there was an element of camp to it. It 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.120 made us both laugh well I think spoiler alert at 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.440 the end, Diana's dresser reveals that she's in love with 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.160 her and it kind of it kind of it took 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.720 me out of the movie a little bit, Like we 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.280 we were definitely laughing in the theater, but it was 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.840 in a way that kind of only added to the 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.920 appeal of the film to me. Like I liked that 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.200 it was a little ridiculous. It took us side of 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.080 the movie, and that rose dug her nails into my 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.000 arm and we clutched each other for dear life while 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.640 rocking back and forth, because the fact that this dresser 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.960 came out to her was so absolutely uncalled for. Here's 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.480 something that I'll say about the movie. I don't have 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.560 a huge cultural context on Diana. I've listened to the 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.320 five part series of the podcast You're Wrong About. They 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.320 do a really good dive into like Dana's life and 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.400 like how she was and like the Princess Dianna beanie baby, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.640 and like maybe watching the Crown is like that's the 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.240 full spectrum of like what I know about Diana. And 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.440 something that I really appreciated was that it was a 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.080 portrait of Diana at her messiest and and in a 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.160 in a way that is like the most human, Like 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.560 I think often when she's portrayed, it's kind of like 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.160 this mart she's kind of a martyr or she's a victim, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.680 and she definitely is those things. And she was like, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.920 you know, abused to no end by like the royal family. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.440 But I also love that they show that like her 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.840 struggle through mental illness, and they obviously went into eating disorder, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.280 which I felt, honestly was really gratuitous and really triggery 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.680 and not well done, but other elements of like how 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.840 she was battling her own mind and I thought was 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.920 like something that was really needed from the kind of 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.080 Diana content of it, all of which we will never 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:11.000 have enough. Yeah, I think a lot of the pop 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.960 cultural context for Diana that I have is very much 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.520 the people's princess, and like only what I got as 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.919 a child. My only real memory of Diana, because I 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.960 think we were maybe a little young, was right after 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.680 she died, driving by a Denny's where they had um 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.400 changed the sign to say you know, we love you Diana, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:40.200 which was sweet, but also like this random Denny's in Florida, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.880 that was her impact. So I felt like the queer baiting. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:51.120 I'm saying queer baiting distinctly because they cast Kristen Stewart 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.879 and I want to know. So for those of the 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.560 you that don't know, the writer of this film interviewed 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.040 people that were at the house Diana was at that 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.800 weekend and shared firsthand accounts that cannot be shared with 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.200 public record. So he's using new source material that I 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.560 appreciate because there's like everyone kind of pulls from the 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.960 like these two biographies of Diana, and he was like, no, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.280 I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna go and find 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.840 firsthand accounts as well. And so there are things that 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.520 he discovered in these interviews that he literally cannot tell 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.200 the public what was in the interview. So the Maggie 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.000 thing was very likely a real thing that he pulled 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.040 from one of these interviews, but he can't tell us 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.520 like who's who or whether it actually happened. But Maggie 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.520 when she tells Diana that like I'm in love with 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.480 you or whatever like that was. It threw me through 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.680 such a look because I was like, is the only 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.719 reason they cast Kristen Stewart in this movie? Because they 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.399 wanted this like this meandering lesbian moment that actually didn't 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.800 go anywhere and had barely an argore resolution, Like what 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.480 did you think of like the whole moment. I don't 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.720 really think that we can call that queer baiting. And 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:03.160 I don't think that Kristen Stewart was cast in this 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:10.600 very serious movie two excuse a like super minor like 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.640 lesbian subplot. I think she was cast in the movie 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.000 because she was She's Kristin Stewart, and she was great 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:23.159 and who knows if that moment was in the script 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.600 because it's like based on something true to life, or 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.879 because you know, they added it after Kristen had signed on, 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.720 maybe she had some input in it. But I also 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:39.960 think that Diana was very clearly someone that obviously, as 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:44.160 we've seen, people loved, you know, like people were obsessed 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.200 with Diana on a on a huge scale. And I 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:52.000 think even though that moment was a little ridiculous, what 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:56.920 it did was illustrate to the audience and to her 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.679 that there were people who loved her even though she 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:07.520 was going through this awful time with her family, the 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.880 people who are ostensibly supposed to love her. And I 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.359 think in that moment in the narrative, like she needs 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.159 that life draft a little bit, even though it's like 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.440 slightly ridiculous. But I don't think we can call it 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:23.280 queer beating. I think it's just actually, you know, maybe 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.000 ten years ago that would have been like a male 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.719 butler who said he was in love with her, and 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.560 now culturally we're at a point where it gets to 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.240 be a queer woman. Wow. I love that. That's a 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.240 very generous read of it, and honestly, it's it's told 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.040 me I feel like that is like how I would 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.760 like to see the movie. I honestly would see it again. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.760 Maybe you know it did feel a little queer, baby though, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:49.080 And I'm ready to go. There is the Gay Eternal. Yes, 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:54.400 we saw Marvel's Eternals and girl there and I don't 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:59.520 know if you've heard, but Eternals features Marvel's first out 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.520 and gay superhero. Okay, first of all, if you're you're 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.800 saying that like it's freaking news, But if you're listening 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.800 to this podcast, you are either gay or trayans or 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:13.360 both or and you nurses hetero except everyone here, all 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:18.400 of y'all have probably gotten an article pushed to your 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.960 Twitter feed that said and probably written by me three 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:28.359 years ago. You check the byline three years ago that 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.919 has sped into your album that says Marvel announces it 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.560 it's first queer superhero. Um. And also, you may have 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.600 seen my interview with Samahayak in which we talked about 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.080 this and about her. Did you talk about a wig 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.439 that was for a different movie? Got it? Anyways, she 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:49.000 has amazing hair. Amazing hair she is I'm talking about 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.159 in person, you wouldn't know. Okay, fine, how do you 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.440 know I haven't met Samahayak, because you would have told 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.080 me if you had. You think I don't tell you everything, Yes, 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:04.240 you do tell me everything. You absolutely tell me everything. 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:06.960 We have a literal podcast, so you can tell me 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:12.400 more things. Okay, So back to this queer bating thing. Okay, Yes, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.280 there's a Marvel's first queer Superhot, which is so stupid 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.280 because like, I feel like I've been reading articles like 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.640 that since the John of Time, like Marvel's first implicitly 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.439 queer moment, explicitly queer moment, like off screen gay moment, 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.919 a moment that is gay that's not gay, like the 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.359 whole Venom thing, or like there was that moment in 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.719 low Ki, but like this was the moment. When we 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:33.360 were watching, I was like, Rose, can you point out 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.560 like which ones like the gay one, and like you 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.120 pointed him out to me, and at at a certain 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.600 point I'd lean over to Rose and I was like, wait, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:45.960 so he's just a fucking nerd. Yeah he didn't. So 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.240 the gay character is fast dose and his All of 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:55.840 the eternals have different special abilities like shooting laser beans 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.240 out of your eye or yeah, or like manipulating matter 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:04.400 and illusions and turning into different people. Yeah, the gay one. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.480 His power is just that he's very smart and can 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:12.240 invent things, and he wears rings. He wears probably seven rings, 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:19.520 seven rings. He's an arianator there there there. He doesn't 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.920 really get introduced until like kind of like very far 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.960 into the movie. After there, you know, all of the 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:31.280 eternals are like rounding up the family to fight the monsters. 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.200 I there were too many characters to focus on already, 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:39.359 and were so many, there were like twenty eternals. Yeah, 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.800 and I really would have enjoyed the movie a lot 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:46.719 if I had, you know, maybe like five to focus on, 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.240 you know what I mean. I actually felt like what 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.919 they did was something of a marketing ploy, Like they 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.600 were like, let's stack this movie with a ton of 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.719