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Speaker 3: Today we're sitting down with Larry Wilmore, a comedy legend

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Speaker 3: who's storytelling not only makes us laugh but challenges us

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Speaker 3: to see the world differently. But today we're seeing a

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Speaker 3: whole new side of him because he's joined by someone

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Speaker 3: who knows him better than anyone, his daughter, Laurene Wilmore.

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Speaker 3: Larry opens up about career setbacks, fatherhood, and the power

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Speaker 3: of believing in yourself even when no one else does,

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Speaker 3: and why humor just might be the secret to surviving

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Speaker 3: at all. It's insightful, inspiring, and just the right dels

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Speaker 3: of fun that we all desperately need right now. This

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Speaker 3: is My Legacy, host it by me Andrea Warters King,

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Speaker 3: alongside my husband Martin Luther King the Third and our

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Speaker 3: good friends Mark and Craig Kilberger. Let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to My Legacy today. We are truly privileged to

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Speaker 1: welcome a creative visionary. Larry Wilmore is an Emmy winning writer, producer, actor, comedian,

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Speaker 1: and host whose brilliant work has shaped some of the

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Speaker 1: most beloved and groundbreaking shows on television, from The Bernie

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Speaker 1: Mac Show to Insecure to Grownish.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: What makes our podcast so unique and unexpected is we

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Speaker 1: don't just meet extraordinary individuals, We meet the people who

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Speaker 2: Thank you thanks for having me here. When I first

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Speaker 2: I want everyone to me my wonderful daughter, Lauren. He

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Speaker 2: Elanie Wilmore. She is such a great, great person inside

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: And let's just say she has the best hair.

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Speaker 3: You look marvelous, darling.

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Speaker 5: But I love rocking the frow Like, yeah, it's been

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Speaker 1: On behalf of the guys walking on a show. To Larry,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, yes, oh you know how long it

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, my parents very influential in different ways.

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Speaker 1: Maybe someone on social might want to shout out to

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Speaker 6: Larry, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And now, Lauren, how did you see the values your

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Speaker 5: You know, it's so interesting When he was saying teachers

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Speaker 3: Well, I think all all children have that. I know

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 8: You have captured us here on this conversation, and you

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Speaker 2: point where the crew isn't kind of looking at you

439
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: because the thing, you know, it's like it's like how

440
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: you don't name certain farm animals because they might be

441
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: food one day, so you don't want to get too

442
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: close to them, you know, like so making sure they're

443
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: not gonna get too close to me. You know, this guy,

444
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: he may not stick around, and you can just feel

445
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: that you're not connecting. And so I was kind of down.

446
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: And then I found out, you know, before air, that

447
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: they were gonna cut one of the pieces we were playing.

448
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm not going to be on this show.

449
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: And then they decided to do one piece, and right

450
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: before air, John goes through this rewrite and he says

451
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: he brought me and he said, hey, man, let's just

452
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: go through this and he said, let's just put it,

453
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: just talk it through, and I really just put it

454
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: in my voice and I'm working off of John and

455
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: we're doing it like that, and we really got it tight.

456
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: And right before we went on, I was sitting there

457
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: and he said, hey man, I was a little numbers. She said,

458
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: just look in the camera and just f and give

459
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: it to America. That's what he took me. And I

460
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: was like, okay. And so the first joke, huge laugh

461
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: and as now my comedian in seems are taken over,

462
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: like okay, this is like I got you guys now,

463
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: and it's like dam bam bam. Now the crew is

464
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: likes a brother now, you know, the crew is like

465
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: where did this guy get When did he sneak in

466
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: the door? You know? And I'll never forget that. I'll

467
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: never forget John's generosity knowing that I needed a little

468
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: boost at that time and just saying, hey man, don't

469
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: worry about this, just you know what you're doing. You know,

470
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: it was so nice too.

471
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Speaker 7: So Lauren, you know you've watched your dad navigate Hollywood

472
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 7: and said he taught you a lot about resilience. What

473
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 7: is one of the most important pieces of vice that

474
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 7: he's given you in terms of navigating through.

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Speaker 5: I think this just for life, not even just for

476
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 5: you know, being in in show business. But he always

477
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 5: said to John and I, you don't have to be

478
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 5: the best, you have to be your best. And that

479
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 5: stuck with me because I am a recovering perfectionist and

480
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 5: you know, like just knowing that it wasn't and that

481
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: kind of takes off the energy of competition as well

482
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: of having to beat other people out for something, but

483
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 5: just focusing on living up to your potential and shining

484
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 5: your light as opposed to trying to dim someone else's

485
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 5: so that you can get to the top. I mean

486
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 5: that applies to just everything ever in life, but certainly

487
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 5: in show business. And I've really come to understand that

488
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: more the past couple of years that I've been here

489
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 5: in New York and finding my community here and my friends,

490
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 5: and we're all just constantly lifting each other up because

491
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 5: that's the only way to you know, that's the only.

492
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Speaker 6: Way to live.

493
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 4: You can't be always trying to push other people down.

494
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Speaker 3: When we come back, Larry shares the Oscar speech that

495
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Speaker 3: had him in tears.

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Speaker 1: Now back to my legacy with Larry Wilmore and his

497
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: daughter Lauren.

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Speaker 7: As the father of a sixteen year old daughter, we

499
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 7: hope that we get it right most of the times,

500
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 7: but there are those times. Is there a piece of

501
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 7: advice that you think was not so good that your dad.

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00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 5: I'm sure there was, but like I probably was just like, Okay,

503
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 5: throw that out and pressed on with my life, you know,

504
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 5: like I'm sure there have been, but I genuinely nothing

505
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: really comes to mind, because I think I just kind

506
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: of hold on to the gold nuggets and.

507
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: That didn't.

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00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: But also I will say, I mean.

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Speaker 5: Talking about being a nerd, that is another legacy thing

510
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 5: from my dad, you know, like not only valuing education,

511
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 5: but like embracing just like learning stuff always I'm always

512
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 5: seeking out knowledge and and I think that was something

513
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 5: that I saw my dad do, just chasing little passion,

514
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: you know, whether for him, whether it's magic or space,

515
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 5: Like he was always super interested in space.

516
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: And and language is a little bit you know, like

517
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: you know, you still know a little bit of Japanese.

518
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Speaker 3: Right, and you're talking about earlier seeing it to to

519
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: to see it so you can be it. And I

520
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: just can't help but just be delighted when I think

521
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: about too. You know, all children, but particularly black children,

522
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: black little girls, to see this beautiful woman with her afro,

523
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: you know, speaking perfect Mandarin and how what kind of

524
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: doors and that opens in their mind. I just I

525
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: just think is magnificent.

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00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 5: I have a couple black students, and I always tell

527
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 5: them that people will be shocked and then delighted that

528
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: you speak Mandarin. Yes, you know, both here in the

529
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: States and also I did a semester in China, and

530
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: I mean, people are floored.

531
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Speaker 4: They're just like, what what what what? And then they're thrilled.

532
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 5: They're so happy that you've learned this language because they

533
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 5: weren't expecting that of you, which is unfortunate that but

534
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 5: it's it's I really try to be that for them,

535
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 5: to show them that this is possible for you.

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Speaker 3: But we have our daughter is she's fluent in Spanish,

537
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: and so she's at international school and and speaking since

538
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: she was learning since kindergarten, and so it was interesting

539
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: even in elementary school. We all went to Spain and

540
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: she was helping us navigate through the airport right in

541
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: this perfect Spanish. And it was interesting because it took

542
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: people like a few minutes, like a few moments to

543
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: wait like it wasn't. They were buffering, like, wait a minute,

544
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: here's this little black girl with curly hair and she's

545
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Speaker 3: speaking perfect Spanish with no accident, and they kept saying like,

546
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: what what is this?

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00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: You know?

548
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: And then where did you learn? You know? So you know, I,

549
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: you know, I think that's that's beautiful.

550
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Speaker 2: I love that story. You know. It's also like teaching

551
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: our kids, especially our young black kids, that they can

552
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: be children of the world too. You know, they don't

553
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, that they can engage with the world, And

554
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: it's such a powerful thing for them to learn at

555
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: a young age that there's more than just than just

556
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: right here in front of you. There's this whole world

557
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: that's out there that you can engage with.

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00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely, when you think about the fact that Martin Luther

559
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: King Junior's last book, Where do We Go from Here,

560
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: Chaos or Commute Unity, the very last chapter in that

561
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: book is the World House. So it was incredibly important

562
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: for us for our child to be to understand and

563
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: see the world from that that global perspective. Absolutely, And

564
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: I love Lauren what you said too about the I

565
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: want to go back to what you said about being

566
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: in competition, because one of the things that we talk

567
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: about a lot is that that we tell our daughters

568
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: that champions create and amateurs compete, you know, so like

569
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: I'm writing that down, amateurs compete and in that kind

570
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: of idea, your father, Larry, you have opened so many doors.

571
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: It's to me one of yours. The most powerful parts

572
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: of your legacy is how you've used your influence to

573
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: open doors for black women in television and spaces where

574
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: we've historically been shut out, creating shows like Insecure, which

575
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: was a must watch, you know, and Sunday Nights and

576
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: you know for a lot of black women with ter

577
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: Ray and Grownish, and it's ensued that black stories are

578
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: told by the people that are living them. And then

579
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: Quentin Brunton, I'm looking down because I want to make

580
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: sure that I get her her words exactly what she said.

581
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: But she's the creator and star of the hugely popular,

582
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: very funny series abviod Elementary, and she credited you in

583
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: her Emmy acceptance speech and for teaching her how to

584
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: write great television. And then you post it and these

585
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: are your words. Ver Vadim. I was crying because Quentin

586
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Bernson won, but not ready for the shout out and

587
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: now I'm blubvering congrat I was, what did that moment

588
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: mean to you, not just as a mentor, but as

589
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: someone who's worked so hard to make sure that these

590
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: voices are heard.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate the question. I'm so flatterfy.

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00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: You know.

593
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: I always took that road seriously and intentionally from the beginning.

594
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: I always realized that, you know, there's an opportunity here

595
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: to do something important for us in the business, and

596
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: if I can help to open doors. Always my joke was, look,

597
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: if I can open the door, I'll put my foot

598
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: there and I'll just say come on through as many

599
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: people can come them through while it's open. So it's

600
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: been an intentional philosophy. But the first thing I was

601
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: very concerned in the nineties, when I was working in

602
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 2: television at how number one, how black writers were treated.

603
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: They were always put into a different category, and black

604
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: shows were always thought of funny, but they didn't get respect.

605
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget my friend Janine Sherman, who's top producer.

606
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: Now we're working on the Jamie Fox Show. She said,

607
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Speaker 2: how come there's no like black Seinfeld, you know, or

608
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: something like that, meaning a show that was considered a

609
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: smart black show, not just funny but smart and was

610
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Speaker 2: worthy of getting worse. And I said, well, Jannine, because

611
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: you haven't written it yet, and she's like, oh, And

612
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: then I was like, wait a minute, I haven't written

613
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: it yet either, you know. And I remember having that moment.

614
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: I thought I have to be responsible for raising the

615
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: bar and you know that turn black excellence as used now,

616
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Speaker 2: But then I was just thinking of excellence and making

617
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: sure that we were being regarded in the same ways

618
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: with that type of respect, and I took that into

619
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: the PJS, you know, so that my friends who worked

620
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: on the Simptons and that thought of the pj's just

621
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: as worthy as that of those types of shows we

622
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: like were Emmy nominated things like that, Bernie Macshaw, Juan Emmys,

623
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, on Critics Award, you know. So I've been

624
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: very fortunate that the shows I've been on also have

625
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: to be reckoned with on an artistic level and not

626
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: just being funny, and at the same time to present

627
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: us on screen where I call who's controlling the narrative

628
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: of us, you know, and it's how important it is

629
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: for us to control the narrative and to me low

630
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: in that total poll was the black woman on television

631
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Speaker 2: in many different ways. You know, God blessed Sean the Rhymes,

632
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: you know, for helping that too. But I realized what

633
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: I I met Lisa that premium television. I'm always looking

634
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: to put something on TV that's not there before, you know,

635
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: so like Bernie Mac show that wasn't on there before,

636
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: for a black show to be that style, you know,

637
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: someone breaking the fourth wall, you know. I kind of

638
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: used French New Wave of as inspiration for how I

639
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: did that. Insecure is a little different. I'm like, no

640
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: one's telling the stories of Black women as full grown women,

641
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, who have agency and what's their story in

642
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: the world, what's the black girls? You know, that type

643
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: of thing. So it was important for me. It wasn't

644
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: just trying to do a show. It was important for

645
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: me I having those conversations with Lisa and really focusing

646
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: on that character and how important it was for that

647
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: character to be on HBO, not just on the networks,

648
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: but on HBO premium cable. So being in certain spaces

649
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: are the things I've targeted too, not just getting on TV,

650
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: but being in a premium space and getting the certain

651
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: type of attention, getting certain types of awards. And when

652
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: I was developing with Quintum, I first found quentin was

653
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: on the Nightly Show when I was doing that show,

654
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Speaker 2: and I discovered she was brilliant, and so I brought

655
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: her into the network when I was over Disney to

656
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: develop with her. And they were like, who is this Kinta?

657
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: What's her name?

658
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: You know?

659
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: And we sold a show to CBS with her and

660
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: Jermaine Fowler, and I really, she remembers, I really was

661
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: trying to imparton her how important voice was. I said,

662
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: I knew Quinta with the skill of writing very easily,

663
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: but for me, the lesson was about voice. How do

664
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: you get your voice on that page and sticking up

665
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: for things. And our show didn't go, but I gave

666
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: her the freedom to put the character on the page

667
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: that she felt passionately about and that was the lesson

668
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: there too, because what are you representing at the end

669
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: of the day when you're on that screen. I still

670
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: remember the show Julia with Dian Carroll Marco. Push this

671
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: woman on screen representing something I hadn't seen on TV before,

672
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: this black woman. She was a single woman, she was smart,

673
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: she was intelligent, she had to be reckoned with as

674
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: a character you could not dismiss easily, you know, and

675
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: that meant something to me at that time.

676
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: So Julia inspired my mom. My mom was the first

677
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: black nurse in her small town in live Oke, Florida,

678
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 3: Swanna County, Florida. And it was seeing Julia on TV,

679
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: seeing her, you know, seeing that she was a nurse

680
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: and how she you know, obviously done, Carol was beautiful,

681
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: but you know that, So how how that impacted her

682
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: and inspired her and you know open doors for you know,

683
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: for my family, you know, to this day.

684
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: M H.

685
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: Lauren, your dad has accomplished so much in his career,

686
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: But what makes you the most proud not just for

687
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 3: those accomplishments, but who he is as a human being.

688
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 6: Mmm.

689
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

690
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: One thing is what we were just talking about, that

691
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 5: the way he has brought people with him, and particularly

692
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: black women. I'm I'm always trying to tell people this

693
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: because I feel like, because you're so humble, Dad, that

694
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 5: people don't really know that necessarily if they're not like

695
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 5: really researching who was it that got that person in

696
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: that room, because it's such a behind the scenes thing.

697
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 5: But that's something that I've always been very proud of,

698
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 5: and yeah, and just that you've always kind of stayed

699
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 5: true to yourself. It's been kind of an interesting journey

700
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 5: because dad has been, you know, doing show business since

701
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 5: before I was born, but he became more in front

702
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 5: of the camera when I was in about high school

703
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: and that's when like people started being able to just

704
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: like recognize him on the street, and that was kind

705
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 5: of a different vibe from like my childhood. But even

706
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: with that, I feel like you just haven't like changed

707
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: as a person or anything. You know, like you're still

708
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: putting the work first and putting other people first, like

709
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 5: it's not all about me and me, which I think

710
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 5: happens to a lot of people in show business.

711
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 4: So I think that's something else that I'm very proud of.

712
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: And I love that descript should because Larry, I think

713
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: it hasn't been about You've actually used your characters to

714
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 1: almost hold a mirror to society, to challenge to question.

715
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: Like I look at the description that you had the

716
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: very deep divide in America right now, between America and

717
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: America America.

718
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 6: Breath.

719
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: You did really good, but okay, but we need that.

720
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: Can you can you explain though a little bit difference.

721
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: I love America. I love the promise of America. I

722
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: think America is the light on the hill. Merca, on

723
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: the other hand, has a lot of issues, you know.

724
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: Merca's where division comes, is where hatred comes. Where we're separated,

725
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: is where we don't come together. Is where people get

726
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 2: in bubbles, It's where they divide and all those things.

727
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: But America is the thing that we should always be

728
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: shooting for, that that perfection of an idea that unites

729
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: people that isn't tribal, you know, it's it is the

730
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: freedom of express russion, you know, all these things, freedom

731
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: of speech, you know, the you know, the ability to

732
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: be a unique person in the world and not be

733
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: threatened by government has never happened before, you know. But

734
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: Monica tends to threaten those things in different ways, you know.

735
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: And so I did a show early this year where

736
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: I made that distincion through a show where I did

737
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: both political commentary and magic tricks, which a lot of

738
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: people didn't know that I didn't magic.

739
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: So grab that second cup of coffee because you won't

740
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 1: want to miss a moment.

741
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: Now back to my legacy with Larry Wilmore and his daughter.

742
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Lauren, So We all have been friends for years, the

743
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: four of us here, but we recently wrote a book.

744
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the disconnection. We talked about

745
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: the solution being the blood community, but the disconnection frankly

746
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: and American around the world. So when you look at

747
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: that division.

748
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 2: Hmm, do you have hope or what gives you hope? Well,

749
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: I'm a hopeful person, but I'm a realist too. Look,

750
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: I was very influenced by you know, doctor King. I mean,

751
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: here's a man that understood that division. He relied on

752
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: America to get us out of the worst instincts of America,

753
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: you know. I mean it's very people don't realize, they

754
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: don't appreciate today how revolutionary not a non violent approach

755
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: actually is. You know, because we allow oppress people to

756
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: fight back everywhere in the world, why was it not

757
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: allowed here? What's the difference? You know? Why? You know

758
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: we we expected everywhere in the world, why did we

759
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: not expect it here? You know? So there was a

760
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: bigger idea that he was working at, and that idea

761
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: was the promise of something that people actually had an

762
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: agreement upon. It just hadn't been cashed in yet. As

763
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: your dad said, the promisory note is the way that

764
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: he put it, you know, and that is inspirational, and

765
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: it's aspirational. It's different, it's a different thing when you're

766
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: doing that, and that's how you that's how you bring

767
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: people into something as opposed to you get something. You know,

768
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: you want to bring people together. You're not just trying

769
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: to get something. Whenever I talk about when I'm talking

770
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: to young people about show is, I say, look, let

771
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: me give you here's the best advice I can give

772
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: you when you're in the business. But you could use

773
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: this in any business. Don't look at it as something

774
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: you could get something out of. Look at it as

775
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: something you could put something into. What's the contribution you

776
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: can make that is a unique contribution because you can't

777
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: lose with that. You're going to lose eventually when you're

778
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: trying to get something out of something. You know, maybe

779
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: I can get this, or maybe I can extract this,

780
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: don't extract make a deposit. You know's the what's the

781
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: thing of value that I'm putting into this the contribution?

782
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: And that's what your dad did. You know.

783
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: One of the things that is interesting that you talked

784
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: about oppressed people because one of the things that he

785
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: said was the greatness of America is the right to

786
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: promote for rights for rights, you know, So that was

787
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: foundational to all of his work, and you know why

788
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: he did what he did. And you know, right now though,

789
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: we're seeing an all out attack really on diversity, equity

790
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: and inclusion, and it's hard not to think about your

791
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: role as mister Brown, the diversity educator on the office,

792
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: you know, a character who's trying to cut through both

793
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: the workplace absurdity and the uncomfortable, unspoken realities of the

794
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: racial bias. You did a brilliant job I think, you know,

795
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: bringing that into the conversation. But looking at where we

796
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 3: are today twenty years from that role, are we any

797
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: father ahead or does it feel like we're falling father behind?

798
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's always a difficult question to ask. In

799
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: some aspects, you always are. In some aspects you have

800
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: to keep your eye on it. You know, there's a

801
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: you know, many times we have to separate something that

802
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: feels like a program or a prescription for something versus

803
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: what's happening in the culture, and keeping your eye on

804
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: the culture. What's a political movement, but what's a cultural movement?

805
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: What's a political change, what's a cultural change? You know,

806
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: the culture actually is moving forward, but there's been a

807
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: political change where it's trying to be a check on

808
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: that culture moving forward. And so we're at an inflection

809
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: point right now, you know, And that's why it feels

810
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: very intense, you know. But it's rare that culture goes backwards.

811
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: It's very rare. Sometimes it goes forward in a way

812
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: that isn't necessarily good, you know, but it's still kind

813
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: of moving forward. So it's up to us to steer

814
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: that and be stewards and be mindful of the ways

815
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: in which it is tumbling forward, you know, because bad

816
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: actors are always all around for you know, things that

817
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: are self serving that you know, we have to be

818
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: a check on. So and I don't look so when

819
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: I look at DEI to me, I'm not concerned about DEEI.

820
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm more concerned about freedom and that sort

821
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: of thing. If we're going to use letters, give me

822
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: the F. That big F is a bigger concern to

823
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: my Somebody wanted me to ask some questions about BIPOC,

824
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: you know, and I said, look, guys, I'm only concerned

825
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: about the bee right now. You guys could be concerned

826
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: about the ipack. Okay, I got enough. I got enough

827
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: issues trying to work with the bee at this point.

828
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: You know, so we're going to separate letters. I don't

829
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: get too concerned in the micro. I'm more concerned about

830
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: the macro, you know, and fighting those fights. If that

831
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: answers the question.

832
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: So it has already been established, Lauren, that we're gonna

833
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: get you and our daughter together so that you can

834
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: talk to her about many us please, But until that happens,

835
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: I want to ask you a question on behalf of her.

836
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: Who again, she's sixteen years old, Yolanda, if you could

837
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: go back to your sixteen year old self, what is

838
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: the one thing that you what you would tell her?

839
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 6: Wow?

840
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 4: Because and I'm for a reference, I am twenty six,

841
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 4: So for me, this is ten years ago.

842
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: Oh that decade.

843
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought of that for a second. I'm like, wow,

844
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: that's a full decade ago for me.

845
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: I think a big thing, uh is to be patient

846
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 5: and to know that things happen when they happen, and

847
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: if it, you know, what is meant for you will

848
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: not pass you by. Like if it doesn't happen, then

849
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 5: that means that wasn't your opportunity, you know, and to

850
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 5: not think that you can control the timing of things.

851
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: Like I was college class of twenty twenty.

852
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 5: I was going to stay in New York and do theater,

853
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: and then the world shut down and I had to pivot.

854
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 5: And that's when I went and got my masters, because

855
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 5: literally all of theater had shut down and would be

856
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: shut down for who knew how long. And I had

857
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 5: such a plan, like to the minute, of how my

858
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 5: life was going to look, and March twenty twenty just

859
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 5: completely changed everything. And so just knowing that there's so

860
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 5: much that's outside of your control, but that things will

861
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 5: happen if you just take little steps every day towards

862
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: your dreams and your goals, whatever that may be, it

863
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 5: will happen for you. So don't freak out, don't stress,

864
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: Just like keep taking those baby steps and trust the

865
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 5: timing and that your timing is different than other people's timing.

866
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: Coming back to that whole comparison competition thing, it's so tempting,

867
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 5: especially with social media. Oh yeah, I didn't even get

868
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 5: started on the stay off, but especially with social media, it's.

869
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Speaker 4: So hard to see other people's timing and not feel like,

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Speaker 4: oh I should be doing that. Oh they're on Broadway already.

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Speaker 4: But it's like yeah, because that's their journey.

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Speaker 5: Like this is my journey, and this is your journey, Yolanda,

873
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Speaker 5: And you know, like just knowing that things will happen

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Speaker 5: when they're supposed to happen, and it may not be

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Speaker 5: like you envisioned, and that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I often think of it like being in a car

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Speaker 3: and and putting on your GPS or ways, and you know,

878
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Speaker 3: when I'm driving with my husband, he argued with Ways.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if anywhere else that you like, just

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Speaker 3: don't put it on if you're gonna argue with her.

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Speaker 6: You know that's me.

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Speaker 3: Literally, it's like arguing out loud with Ways. But I

883
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Speaker 3: think of life sometimes. I think of life sometimes as

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Speaker 3: as like you know, having that that ways or GPS.

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Speaker 3: So once you know you put your goals and you

886
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Speaker 3: and if you're working towards reaching them, even if you

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Speaker 3: make a turn to the left, you know what happens.

888
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: It recaalculates itself, you know, so even so that it

889
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: will continue and then so therefore and you will ultimately

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Speaker 3: as long as you're you know, you you have your

891
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: vision and you work hard and you believe no matter

892
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: what you you will get there. And even if it's unfolds,

893
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Speaker 3: and even if you quote unquote take a wrong turn,

894
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Speaker 3: you can't take that wrong turn from from destiny when

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Speaker 3: you're truly focused on something bigger and greater than yourself.

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Speaker 1: That was on fire.

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00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 6: That was amazing.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I will never look at Ways the same.

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Speaker 6: Way again, Google and Martin. When you argue with Ways,

901
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 6: do they argue back or sometimes.

902
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: I know I want to hear that argument, shake my

903
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: head and I go not happening.

904
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Speaker 3: That's what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go this way.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm going to say, though, if if Larry

907
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Speaker 1: we hear that work its way into a script, we

908
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Speaker 1: know it came from here from this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Will believe me knows everything shows up everything I love.

910
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: That's right, we're joking, but it is true. Guys.

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00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: Well, what would be funny if when we see that

912
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Speaker 3: comes up like come up that very few people will

913
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Speaker 3: know that's Martin lu that character that's arguing with Ways.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure the hundred thousands of millions of people are

915
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 7: that's only one right.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the unexpected pleasures of this conversation Lauren.

917
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: I meant that when I said, and I say this

918
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Speaker 1: was respect Larry, because I'm a dad. She stole the show.

919
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: Like that's the highest praise I can give to a dad.

920
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: What are you most proud of?

921
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: Well, I can't take credit for aud but her mom

922
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: is an amazing mom. And you know, I always say

923
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Lauren gets ninety percent of her talent from her mom.

924
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: She gets the she gets the jokes from me, but

925
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 2: her mom her values in her family too. You know.

926
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Speaker 2: It was this was a group effort, you know, with

927
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Speaker 2: both of the kids. And I've always said my term

928
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: for kids are my joke term for kids are blessed inconvenience.

929
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Speaker 2: But the but the first the first word is very important.

930
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: You know. I've always viewed John and Lauren as a blessing.

931
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Speaker 1: You know.

932
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Speaker 2: The most important thing that's happened in my life and

933
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: everwell is them, you know. And as I told Lauren,

934
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Speaker 2: I am proud of her every day of her life.

935
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Speaker 2: But their inspirations to me, you know, and I'm happy

936
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Speaker 2: that I am to them, But they're inspirations to me too.

937
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 2: I learned from them all the time, you know, And

938
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Speaker 2: it's fun to see both of them out in the

939
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Speaker 2: world doing their thing, you know, and doing what they're doing.

940
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Speaker 2: I've always loved seeing people's reaction to Lauren. To Lauren

941
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: has such a light about her. She's very inspirational. I

942
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Speaker 2: don't know if she knows that either, but especially to

943
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Speaker 2: young kids. I mean, I remember she did Peter Panmwins

944
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: and she was tinker belling. Oh my god. She was

945
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: like one of the Beatles, you know, like the kids

946
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Speaker 2: who were flocking around her, you know, but just drawn

947
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Speaker 2: to her in a way. And she has a lot

948
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Speaker 2: of power in just being still and being herself, you know.

949
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Speaker 2: Not very proud of her. Well they're in Lauren.

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Speaker 1: We're grateful for your honesty, your humor, your heart brought

951
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to this conversation. I love the multi generational nature of it.

952
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: You've talked to us about legacy, family representation, and the

953
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: power of impact, especially opening doors and sticking your foot

954
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: in so people can follow thereafter.

955
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Speaker 6: And Craig, we even had some songs today.

956
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, jokes laughter, but it's great.

957
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

958
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: Hopefully won't be ssued for that copyright infringement, but I

959
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: love it.

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00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: It was in the other languages, so they're not going

961
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Speaker 4: to be well.

962
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: I love it, but we.

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Speaker 1: Typically end the show by inviting people to live their

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Speaker 1: own legacy, and they do it through fulfillment. They do

965
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: it through taking ideas that came to them from this conversation.

966
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Speaker 1: And I really want to emphasize it for the parents

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00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: out there who are listening this time because a few

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Speaker 1: things Larry really struck me. One, tell your kids I'm

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00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: proud of you every day. What a beautiful message, Lauren

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00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: that you shared, that your father voiced that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I try to tell my kids every day I love them,

972
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Speaker 1: and just to create that ritual, that routine is so

973
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Speaker 1: powerful and invite our listeners to reflect that you don't

974
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Speaker 1: have to be the best, you have to be your best.

975
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Speaker 1: I hope every parent says that to their kids. How

976
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Speaker 1: powerful that is. And lastly, you know, making someone laugh

977
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Speaker 1: even in times of difficulty. Larry loved the reflection about

978
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Speaker 1: how when your parents were going through their divorce and

979
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Speaker 1: you and your brother just finding laughter to cheer each

980
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: other up. There's a lot of people now who are

981
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: going through tough times in American around the world, and

982
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: to share a little bit of laughter, share a clip

983
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: from this podcast, to share a clip from their favorite

984
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: TV show that you helped create to share a clip

985
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Speaker 1: to bring a little bit of joy in the world.

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Speaker 1: So Larry and Lauren, thank you for sharing all of

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Speaker 1: this with us and for living your legacy every day.

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Speaker 2: You guys are so lovely. Thank you so much. What

989
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Speaker 2: a Mays tribute and everything. It's such a great podcast.

990
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It was an honor to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you are beautiful and again and thank you so

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Speaker 3: so much from the bottom of our hearts for all

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Speaker 3: that you've done.

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Speaker 1: To open doors.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. If you enjoyed today's conversation, subscribe, share,

996
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Speaker 3: and follow us at my Legacy Movement on social media.

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Speaker 3: New episodes drop every Tuesday. At its core, this podcast

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Speaker 3: honors doctor King's vision of the beloved community and the

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Speaker 3: power of connection. A Legacy Plus Studio production distributed by

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Speaker 3: Lisa Lyle. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you

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Speaker 3: get your podcasts. Until next time, may you find inspiration

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Speaker 3: to live your legacy.