1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the KSR pre show before Kentucky Sports Radio. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Jones. I have hijacked this show for the 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: next hour to join until the two hours of KSR 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: with Ryan Lemon and Billy Rutledge. Billy are Sports Billy. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Let's start by thanking you for letting us do this. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: We kind of took over your show, but I think 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: it makes sense, and with Shannon gone and Drew gone, 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: this will allow you to be on the whole thing. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: But thank you for agreeing to do that. 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: Great to have you guys on as a guest here 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: on the KSR for show roundbreaking day here. 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: It is a great, great guess. But so I mean, look, 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: the next three hours, we know exactly what we're gonna 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: be talking about, one of the more shocking things that 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: I think has ever happened around Kentucky basketball, certainly in 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: my lifetime. And we are at Ksbar and Grill. We're 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: gonna be here. You're welcome to come for any and 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: all of it. Last night, John cal Perry leaves Kentucky 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: for Arkansas. I was let's go over just quickly initial reactions. 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways to talk about it. I 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: want to talk about what the future is for Kentucky, 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: future is for cal and how we got to this point, 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: what are some of the ways that this happened. And 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: there are probably three hours of conversation, but let's start 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: with this. Ryan. Were you surprised? 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 3: You know, I learned a hard lesson in two thousand 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: and seven when it broke that Tubby was talking to Minnesota. 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: I remember thinking aboutself, Minnesota, He's not gonna leave Kentucky 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: for Minnesota. Well, we all know what happened. He left 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: for Minnesota. So when I heard that about Calipray and Arkansas, 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: I felt like kind of that, you know, there's maybe 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: a little truth in there somewhere. I didn't know how 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: serious it was, but maybe there's a little truth in 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: there somewhere. 35 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: I was shocked. I'm not shocked he's gone. When he 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: walked off the court against Oakland, I thought that was it. 37 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: But I'm shocked it went down like this. I'm shocked 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: it went down with cow Mitch publicly backinging. They do 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: a convert a television interview next to each other. Yeah, 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: and they come out and publicly take the same side, 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: and then he's gone a week later. 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: That shocks me, and it happened so fast it seemed likely. 43 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: It happened like over like literally, we'll talk about Bobby 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: Bones is gonna come on. Bobby Bones has actually become 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: a big Arkansas He's always been a fan, but he's involved, 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: and I think he'll talk about kind of what he 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: says is exactly when it happened, et cetera. But I 48 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: was shocked, Billy reshocked. 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: Shocked is a great word. 50 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: I think I'm still stunned about it this morning, trying 51 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: to find the words to react. And Cali Perry's going 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: to take a job that Chris Beard and Jerome Tang 53 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: turned down. Just last week. 54 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: They were interviewing the coach at Arkansas Little Rock before this, 55 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: from Arkansas Little Rock to Cali Perry. So that's amazing. 56 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: I have a number of thoughts and I want to 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: just make them sort of as succinctly as possible. I'll 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: do this in a broader form at ten o'clock when 59 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: KSR starts. But this is the best thing that could 60 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: happen forever everybody. It's very few things in life that 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: are win win. This is a win win for everybody. 62 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: It's a win for cow I think it's a win 63 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: for Kentucky, and I think it's something where if and 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: this is a big if, Barnhardt makes the right higher, 65 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: all parties will be better off. And that's very rare 66 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: in relationships. But it is the cal Perry stuff. And 67 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: we've talked about it, and we took a lot of 68 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: criticism for talking about it, but it was true. It 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: had become so toxic. It didn't work. I thought it 70 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: didn't work for the administration side, which is why I 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: thought they'd come to a separation. They decided they could 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: make it work. I was very very well, let me 73 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: tell you. Let me give you an example. I was 74 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: talking to somebody that is very, very connected with the program, 75 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: certainly more so than me, much more pro cal Perry 76 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: than me. I asked them, what are the chances next 77 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: year is successful? And they were like ten percent, because 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: it was just it was just disaster and people don't 79 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: realize how how much of a disaster it was. And 80 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: the thing is we had fans didn't want to hear 81 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: it was a disaster, but it was, and it was 82 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: time to move on. Cali Perry was unhappy. You heard 83 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: the report yesterday from Matt Norlander. Cali Peri began reaching 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: out to schools in February. According to him, that was 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: that was damning. I thought that cal Perry had made 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: it known he was interested potentially in the Ohio State job, 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: but the timing didn't work because they wanted a coach 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: before the tournament and cal thought he was gonna have 89 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: a deep March run. Well that didn't happen. But you 90 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: want to know why all of a sudden things looked 91 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: weird in March, Well, that's an interesting report, very much 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: is right. So this was this this needed to happen. 93 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: But one thing I want us to remember throughout the 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: whole show as we talk about the cal Era, a 95 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: lot of which was positive. You're not gonna hear me 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: blast it. I think he did a lot of really 97 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: positive stuff, but this was not gonna work going forward. 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: It wasn't he was he had he was just gonna 99 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: have more freshmen here next year, and it was not 100 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna work. And I think, now, let's take it from 101 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: the cal Perry side. He has a chance to go 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: to Arkansas and be rejuvenated and have a final run 103 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: at it. Right, I think he'll bring all or most 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: of his players there. It's a little harder to get 105 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: to Arkansas, but that five million dollars their pledge in 106 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 1: a year in nil will make that an easier path. 107 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: At Arkansas, he'll do well, and we need to everyone 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: listening needs to be prepared for this. Be prepared for 109 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: John cal Perry to be rejuvenated. Yep, back in suits 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: that look amazing, wearing ties, getting in shape, recruiting at 111 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: the highest level, bringing in a coach to do the 112 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: X and o's. He is gonna go like the guy 113 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 1: who got a divorce and looks in the mirror and go, man, 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: what happened to me? He's gonna go make the best 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: version of himself. Right. So he's gonna come out and 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: do well at Arkansas. But the thing you need to 117 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: remember is he wasn't gonna do that for his first wife. 118 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: He wasn't. This was for the new wife. He wasn't 119 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: gonna do that here. He was stubborn and he was 120 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: going to be him. He'll be the best version of 121 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: cal But I also want to say this, I don't 122 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: I don't understand, and most of these fans are young. 123 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: They've not been through this before. You guys have been 124 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: through this before. I've been through this before you have Billy. 125 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: You really haven't, but you all people haven't been through 126 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: this before. But this idea that Kentucky basketball is now 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: headed for the dumps because we lost col We were 128 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: good before him, and if we make the right hire, 129 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: we'll be good after him. When you believe success is 130 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: based solely on one individual, that is a cult. Okay, 131 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: that is not a team or a religion or a party. 132 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: It's a cult when it's one person to tell you 133 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: basketball is not a cult. We won with Adolph Rupp, 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: We won with joe By Hall. We were winning with 135 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: Eddie Sutton and then that happened. But we won with 136 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Rick Patino. We won with Tubby Smith. We had a 137 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: two year gap with Billy. But I will note even 138 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: in those two years, Billy made the tournament in one 139 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: of them. Yea, he did, and we won with cal. 140 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: So we will continue to win if we make the 141 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: right hire. But are fans that if you hear fans 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: out there going, oh, we're going in the dumpster, tell 143 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: them to buy history book. Like we can be just 144 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: as good as we were if we hire the right coach, Ryan, 145 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: which is the if. 146 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree with you about the timing, and 147 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: the timing is just right. I think for cow and 148 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: four Big Blue Nation and to piggyback with your sad 149 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: about CAW, I think he goes there and that does 150 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: well because it's now he's also got a chip on 151 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: his shoulder. He went. He wants to prove all of. 152 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Us well, and he'll have He'll have years, might even 153 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: be next year where he's better than us. Yeah, it 154 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: still doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision because this 155 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: was gonna be headed for a messy, nasty divorce. I'll 156 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: also note though he's gonna go to an Arkansas team, 157 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: they got expectations, Yes they do. In the last let 158 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: me tell you what they've done in the last four years. 159 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, we've won one NCAA tournament game. What have 160 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: they done? Two Elite eights and a Sweet sixteen. That's 161 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: a good run for them. That's great. That's seven tournament 162 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: wins in four years. He's gonna have to show up 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: and do well to do that right. Eight tournament wins. So, 164 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: don't you know, I think they're gonna be excited, But 165 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of pressure on him too there, 166 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: so it's not you know. 167 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: We've seen it. You know, the second best fan base 168 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: in the SEC during the nineties. 169 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: No doubt, was Arkansas. And if they have the Tyson 170 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: Chicken money, what do you think of Tyson Chicken? Now? 171 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: Never eat Tyson Chicken ever again. Not one more Dino 172 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: nugget for me. But you know, in Calipari's own words, 173 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: he said, the shelf life at Kentucky Basketball is about 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: ten years. I mean, he just completed the fifteenth year, 175 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: and I think we can all agree that maybe the 176 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: relationship had run its course. 177 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Stephen Peak is here. Stephen, give me that quote that 178 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: he said in your book? Do you have that easily accessible? 179 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: So Stephen read Cow's book, and a lot of Cow's 180 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: comments directly from his words, would have said that the 181 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: John Caliperry of twenty ten would have agreed this was 182 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: best for everybody. I'm gonna read you his exact words, 183 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: and in his exact words, he would have said what 184 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: we are saying, which is this is best for everyone. 185 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: And it has been left in such a way that 186 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: now one day he can come back here and get 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: a round of applause and we can thank him. If 188 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: it had gotten much uglier, I don't know. If that 189 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: could have happened now I can't. Now, I don't know 190 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: if that'll happen next year. What happened when he comes 191 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: in here with ruff at, You. 192 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: Know the SEC is gonna have that on the schedule. 193 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: Arkansas comes to rouge' rodney schedule too. 194 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: That ticket would be amazing hard to get. 195 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: Well, we remember when Rick came back the first time, 196 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: when he was at Louisville, it was one of the 197 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 3: most exciting electric environments I've ever seen in there. 198 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this is John Caliperi's own words. So 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: when you see people on the internet or you hear 200 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: people out on the street telling you we can't be good, 201 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm reading you Cow's words from his book Players. First, 202 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the team had won a total of just two NCAA 203 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: tournament games and the previous four seasons combined, and over 204 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: the last two it had lost twenty seven games. That's 205 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: not supposed to happen. In Lexington, there was nowhere to 206 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: go but up. Those are his own words. There was 207 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: nowhere to go but up. If that applied when he 208 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: got here, that applies when he lives. There's nowhere to 209 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: go but up. And so you know when people say, 210 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: are you gonna find somebody who was as good as him? 211 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: Are we gonna find somebody that was as good as 212 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: him in twenty ten to twenty nineteen. That's gonna be hard. 213 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: You still gotta go try to do it, but it's 214 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: gonna be hard. But can we find somebody as good 215 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: as he's been twenty twenty to twenty twenty four? Yes, 216 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: fifty eight coaches have won more NCAA Tournament games in 217 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: the last four years than him. You don't think one 218 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: of those fifty eight will take a call. And let 219 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: me tell you what the great programs do. They make transitions. 220 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Since I don't know if Hubert Davis or John Shire 221 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: are even good coaches, but you know what they've done, 222 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: They've made the transition. Sure, if Hubert Davis made the 223 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Final four, then he made a Sweet sixteen. John Shire 224 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: had his team to the Elite eight this year and 225 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: has the best recruiting class that we've seen in a 226 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: long time coming next year. If we make the right 227 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: hire in the transfer portal era, we'll be right back 228 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: and everybody will understand we are not a call. We 229 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: do not require one person for success. We've never been 230 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: that and I don't think Ryan will be that then, 231 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: And I. 232 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: Think col was the right higher in two thousand and nine. 233 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: That was the right guy at the right time. So 234 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: now Mitch needs to go out and do that again. 235 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: Bring well, let's take a break and let's think about 236 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: who it is. Are you sad at all? Billy? 237 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: A little bit? But you know, kind of like what 238 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: you're saying. Kentucky basketball is bigger than John Calipari. Maybe 239 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: some of the younger generation has a hard time seeing that, 240 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: but you know they'll be bigger and better things. And 241 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: he was bringing back six freshmen getting ready to do 242 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: the same You're the same thing. 243 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: We're about to do the exact same thing. Are you 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: secretly excited you get called up to the big chair today? 245 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with Drew and Shannon gone on maybe one 246 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: of the biggest shows in his story. 247 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm thrilled. I'm ready to I'm ready to be here. 248 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: Even though Frank Franklin would have been great. 249 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: Frank Franklin's gonna have stuff to say Wednesday. I'll just 250 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: go ahead and tell you that I will say this 251 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: before we go to break. UK folks, we're taken aback 252 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: by this. Shocked, didn't see it coming. I mean I 253 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: was at the football practice Saturday, the conversation. Nobody saw 254 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: it coming, and I would argue even up through yesterday, 255 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: people didn't see it coming. This was out of nowhere, 256 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of stuff to think about. So 257 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: let's when we come back. I want to deal with 258 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: how'd we get here? How did we get to a 259 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: point that John cal Perry would leave Kentucky for Arkansas. 260 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: We'll deal with that next right here on the KSRP 261 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: pre Show on Kentucky Sports Radio. He is gone, John 262 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: cal Perry. I haven't asked you all this question. Who 263 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: do you hire? I'm gonna give you my ranking. Okay, 264 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: this is if it were up to me solely, who 265 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: would I hire? In order? Number one? My first call. 266 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: You got to call Danny Hurley. He's gonna tell you no, 267 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: but you got to. He's clearly the best coach in 268 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: the country. You gotta at least try it. I don't 269 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: think he'll come if you want him. I think you 270 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: root for Purdue tonight. Yes, I think it'd be a 271 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: lot of no, I'm serious, lot easier for him to 272 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: let him to leave if they lost than if they won. 273 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: He couldn't leave the one back to back. 274 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you can leave if you went back 275 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: to back, but if he if he won one and lost, 276 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: maybe so you hear. But he won't come, in my opinion, 277 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: but you call him first. Second, I think you at 278 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: least reach out and go hey, Billy. Third times of 279 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: charm with Billy Donovan. No, I mean you, You just see. 280 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: The problem for them is timing because they're gonna be 281 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: in the playing game and then if they make the playoffs, 282 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: it might be three or four weeks and you can't wait. 283 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: Can't wait. 284 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: They can't wait in this transfer portal. So even if 285 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: you wanted him, if you want him, you need him 286 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: to go lose in the playing game because you cannot 287 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: wait that period of time. So let's assume neither of 288 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: those work. The slam dunk is NATO's. It's a slam dunk. 289 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: Of the of the realistic options, he's a slam dunk. 290 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said that a month ago, Okay, but 291 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: he made the Final four, and he won me over 292 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: when he sat there in the halftime of that Clemson game. 293 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: Excuse me at the end of the Clemson game and 294 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: talk to me about a third party analytics firm that 295 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: came into his thing at halftime and expected win rate, 296 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: and I thought, are you kidding me? In addition to 297 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Natoates being this fireball and this recruiter and all this, 298 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: he's smart. When I heard it, I was like, okay, 299 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: because smart. My view is smart people make it work, 300 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: and he's got the personality, so he would then be 301 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: my choice. I think they will talk to Scott Drew. 302 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't hate Scott Drew. If it's him, it can work. 303 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I think I'd rather have Natoates. But I don't hate 304 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: the Scott Drew thing. It's got to be one of 305 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: those four or Jay Wright if you could somehow get him. 306 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: If it's not one of those five, then I think 307 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: you're taking a risk. But I think all those five 308 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: I'd be okay with. But my guy would be Natoates. 309 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: What about you? 310 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: And I think NATO's won a lot of UK people 311 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: over the game here at rough like Kentucky you ran 312 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: about and Jim Drews talked about it a lot. How 313 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: he said and said, hey, man, I looked out there 314 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: and I saw that lineup that's I was lineup like 315 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: you know. He I think he wants some people over 316 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: by how he once he praised what Cal and you 317 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: Cave did that night, that game, and then after the 318 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: game that they lost on Saturday. I thought he was 319 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: very gracious and humble and somebody that I think could 320 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: be endearing to our fan base. 321 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: So is that would that be your pick? 322 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: That's my number one pick? 323 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: Bill A little two thoughts on Natos. He has an 324 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars buyout ten. 325 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Tescal, the News reported this morning. It's not eighteen, it's ten. 326 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: It's much easier. It's a lot more manageable. Plus, by 327 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: the way, you just save thirty three just for the record, 328 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: So you just save thirty three. But go ahead. 329 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: Are you over the wrong place? Wrong time? 330 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: Comments that he had a year ago huge mistake. I 331 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: don't like it, but I don't like it. But at 332 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: the same time, I think if I heard an explanation, 333 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: I would need to read more on it. But if 334 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: I heard an explanation that you know, wasn't awful, I 335 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: could get over it. I mean I didn't like. Look, 336 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: if we're realized, I used to write bad things about 337 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: Cal back before he started. Let's I mean a lot 338 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: of us did. Like that's some of that is the 339 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: trash talk of the rivalry. Now that incident, I'm not 340 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: gonna claim that's not a nothing incident. And it might 341 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: be that Mitch Barnart, that's an incident that would make 342 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: him not calling. I don't know, I don't I don't 343 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: know enough about it, but i'd want to know more 344 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: about it. But I probably would still want him. 345 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: Okay, just on the list. I think Scott Drew's the 346 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: first call, just because Mitch is the one making. 347 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: This higher huge. 348 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: You want though, natoes, And then I like to add 349 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: Rick Patino to the list too, come on, come on, Yeah. 350 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 3: He could be good for a couple of years. 351 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is we don't need that. Arkansas needs that. 352 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: Arkansas needs that three or four. We don't need that. 353 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: That would be a mistake. First of all, Rick, Now 354 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: this is the best thing that ever could happen to Rick. 355 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not the number one villain. 356 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, fans are not gonna like, what are they 357 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: gonna be upset Rick about? Now? You know they're not 358 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna be and they're not gonna be upset to him. 359 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: But I'm a no on Rick. I mean, if they 360 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: hire him, my mateer for him. But I'd be a 361 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: no one Rick. 362 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about Mitch. I mean, he stuck his 363 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: neck out for Cal. I felt like, you know. 364 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: I want to get to that, okay, because I think 365 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: that's a hugely important point. You know what I'm gonna 366 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: say for ten o'clock. My how we got here, So 367 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: let's go to that point. I can't believe he did 368 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: that to Mitch. 369 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: I agree. 370 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a part of me I 371 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: actually kind of feel bad for Mitch. You make that 372 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: decision that was not with the booster class of Kentucky. 373 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: That was not a popular decision. It was not and 374 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: you could debate whether or not it was popular with 375 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: the fans, but it was certainly close and I think 376 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: a majority of the fans probably disagreed with the decision. 377 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: But you did it. You stuck your neck out, You 378 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: set next to him on an interview and tried to 379 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: act like y'all liked each other when you did not 380 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: like each other. And then, I mean, chat Lemon has 381 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: that picture of going how you know, when you're in 382 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: couple's therapy and one person's cheating on you, Like Mitch 383 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: has got this big look on his face, and Cal 384 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: looks like he's about to sneak off. If I'm Mitch, 385 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm upset now he got handed a lifeline, not having 386 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: to pay you that lifetime contract. But wouldn't you be upset? 387 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: You stuck your neck out for that guy, and then 388 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: he leaves a week later to a conference rival. 389 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, very publicly. The two of them sit there in 390 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: that interview, what a week and a half ago, and 391 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: they would have a romance, but love fast, And I think, Mitch, yeah, but. 392 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: It was fake. 393 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: Knowing what we know about you. 394 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: You knew it was fake. Then we couldn't say it 395 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: because because a big chunk of our fan base wanted 396 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: to go see Matt. They have a great relationship. What 397 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Their friends? But it was he 398 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: was There was never a friendship. Cal always treated Mitch 399 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: like he wasn't his boss. He did. Mitch has had 400 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: to take it for years, and then he took it 401 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: again and then and then, so I actually feel bad 402 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: for him too. I'm gonna be I feel bad for 403 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: him to have to sit there and take it after 404 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: Cal has at best been indifferent with Mitch, if not 405 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: at times disrespectful, to take it and then still stick 406 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: your neck out for the guy, and then he leaves. 407 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm Mitch be a better guy than I if if 408 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: he's not upset. 409 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: That TV interview will go down as one of the 410 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: more bizarre moments in h Tucky basketball history. And then 411 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: we find out that he's been flirting with Ohio State 412 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: since February. 413 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: That if that's true, and that was reported by Matt Norlander, 414 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: let me tell you this about Norlander. I don't know 415 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: where he heard that, but Norlander was the is getting it, 416 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: was getting Cal info. Okay, Norlander's the only journalist I 417 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: had seen with a connection that clearly was from col people. 418 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: If Cal people are saying that he was interested in 419 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: Ohio State no in in February, that I believe it 420 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: because that's cow people that told me and I worked 421 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 1: with what Matt Noorlander. He ain't gonna make stuff up. 422 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: That's just straight down the minute. If he says it, 423 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: I believe it, And that's telling Ry and it just did. 424 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: I mean, like we said, I think that's very damning 425 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: to know. Okay, where was your head? Did you already 426 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: have one foot out the door the last couple weeks 427 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: of the season and going into March? Is that one 428 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 3: reason why you guys didn't succeed in March. You know 429 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: you have all these questions. 430 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, well we will see. All right, we're gonna 431 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: talk about kind of Well, there's so many angles to 432 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: all this, there really is in the eclipse. What's gonna 433 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: happen when he comes in up? 434 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: Oh he look get booed? 435 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: Do you think he gets booed? Yes? Yeah, Oh well 436 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: everyone's sitting here thinks he gets booed. Well we will 437 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: take a break and be right back. It's Kentucky Sports radiow, 438 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: Perry's gonna have to now, yeah, he is. 439 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: He's got to feed the hugs. 440 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: I can't I can't believe that dude wants to live 441 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: in Fayetteville, Arkansas. I mean again, fat feel's nicer than 442 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: you think it is if you haven't been. Especially, what's 443 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: the town just to the north of it. There's a 444 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: town where Walmart is. It's just the north of Bittonville. Bittonville. 445 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: That place is actually pretty. That's where he'll live. Bet 446 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: I'll bet you any amount of money he lives in Bittonville. 447 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: But still, I can't believe he's going to Arkansas. 448 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: Like, like we said, if if this was the nineties and. 449 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: Arkansas, was like, it's not about that, it's just his 450 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: house live in Fayetteville, Arkansas. This is a dude who 451 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: thinks this place is too tiny. And like. 452 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: Bobby Petrino and John Caliperi, the head football and basketball 453 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: coaches at Arkansas, to that is it official? Like is 454 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: it done? 455 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: Deal? 456 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: Uh? You know, I haven't heard that, but I mean 457 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: everyone's like saying it is so yeah, I mean that 458 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: would be funny. Well he couldn't come back, can't come 459 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: back now? I can't come back now. No, it's known 460 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: that you like you can. That would be even worse. Yeah. No, 461 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm he's got to go at this point. So actually, 462 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about how we got here. 463 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna save it till ten, but let's just go. 464 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: I don't think people realized. I know people didn't realize 465 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: because we all don't want People don't want bad news, right, Yeah. 466 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: People don't want bad news. And when they really like 467 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: somebody or something, they don't want to hear any bad news. 468 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: They don't want to hear. Democrats do not want to 469 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: hear bad news about Joe Biden. Republicans do not want 470 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: to hear bad news about of Joe Trump about Donald Trump, 471 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: and we don't want to hear bad news about John 472 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: Cali Pier. You want every human being is like this, 473 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: myself included. You want news to filter what you already think, 474 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: right like you search for news that agrees with you, 475 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: so people don't want to hear it. Did not want 476 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: to hear the bad news about cal perfect example, go 477 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: read people's comments when Kyle Tucker put his article out 478 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: last year. Here's what I'll say about Kyle Tucker's article. 479 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: He didn't even go as far as he could have. 480 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: It was a disaster. Behind the scenes, it was a disaster. 481 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: Cala Perry became for the people at UK impossible to 482 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: work with. He did. That's why people connected to him left. 483 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: He just couldn't. He was just too much. I think 484 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: they all still loved him. He's not a bad person, 485 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: but he just became too much. One of these days, 486 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: Ryan Lemon may say to me, you've just become too much. 487 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: That's what he was doing. He was too much, and 488 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: all you gotta do is go look and see who left. Yes, yes, 489 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Robic, Dwayne uh and Kenny, 490 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: but it's more than that. When Eric Lindsay leaves to 491 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: go work at the Blood Center, or when TJ. Bisner 492 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: leaves to go take the same job essentially at North Carolina. 493 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: What does that tell you? When Jay Lucas leaves to 494 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: just go be the same coach at Duke for last money, Well, 495 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: what does that tell you? It tells you they can't 496 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: do it anymore? Right, Right've you know this? I mean 497 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm saying things, you. 498 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 3: Know, And I think that what you said is actary. 499 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: I think they love him and they respect him, but 500 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: just working with him, I think is a lot. 501 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: I think there were people who are like, if I'm 502 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: going to continue to love him, I gotta go. 503 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can ruin the relationship, you. 504 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Like, if I'm gonna continue to 505 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: be friends with him, I can't be here anymore. And 506 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: it why it changed. Somebody would have to know him 507 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: like psychologically, and I can't claim that, but he became 508 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: obsessed with proving critics wrong and winning but winning his way. Yeah, 509 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: that was always I said this over and over. The 510 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: man wants to win. I never will believe people who 511 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: said he didn't want to win, but he wanted to 512 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: win his way. He wanted to win the way he 513 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: thought you should play, the way you thought you should 514 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: do things so that he could win. And then go 515 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: and say, see to me, Caliperry post COVID is best 516 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: summed up. And everybody should take a minute today and 517 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: do this by going and watching the Auburn postgame press conference. 518 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: If you want the best encapsulation of what it's like 519 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: to be around Cal the last four years, go watch 520 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: that press conference that was Cal unfiltered. He came in 521 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and said, see, oh, you all wanted to come see 522 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: us lose. See what I did. He was angry at everyone. 523 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: He was angry at fans, he was angry at media, 524 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: he was angry at boosters, he was angry at people 525 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: at UK and that anger. While I still think he's 526 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: a good guy, that anger just overwhelmed him. It just did. 527 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: And yet that all could have covered up that they 528 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: would have won. 529 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: No, if you win, none of this matters. But there's 530 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: a reason why you're losing. Yeah, there's a reason why 531 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: you're losing. When Frank gets here, he'll tell you some stories. 532 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Frank take the fall for him because 533 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: he knows more about him than I do. But there's 534 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: some stories that came out of there in the last 535 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: three or four years that were crazy, and that were 536 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: so crazy that when you heard him, you'd go, well, 537 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: that can't be true, and then it would be and 538 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: you'd say and you'd go, are you serious? Like just 539 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: the laziness of some of the staff members was beyond belief. 540 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: It was beyond I mean, you know what I'm talking about. 541 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: It was beyond belief. And it's why you kind of 542 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: knew that this thing was coming to an end, right 543 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: and it just couldn't keep on. 544 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: Like we've said many time, it was just time that 545 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 3: the program needed a fresh start. I think Kyle needs 546 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 3: a fresh start. So what do you think his legacy 547 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 3: is gonna be? 548 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Here? The first For me, his legacy is still good. 549 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: His legacy is ten years of greatness. His legacy is 550 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: ten years where we were the coolest program in the 551 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: country and we had all these stars come through here 552 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: and we won probably should have won a little more, 553 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: but we won a lot and it was fun and 554 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: every day was exciting and I loved it. And I think, 555 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: like this kids, this age's like you guys, you grew up. 556 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: This is it like that? That's the legacy. To me, 557 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: we've had four years where it wasn't like that. That 558 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: four years does not override for me the ten years 559 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: that were awesome, all right. Had it been many more, 560 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: though it might, but it was just the right time 561 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: to move on. It's like I look back at Tubby. 562 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: When I look back at Tubby, I don't think of 563 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: that last year or two where we lost in the 564 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: second round and we kind of weren't very good. I 565 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: think of the national championship team, the three to four, five, Bogans, Prince, 566 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: all those teams. I don't really think about that last 567 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: year or two where we were aren't Sharay Thomas and that. 568 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't really think about that. That's how we'll be 569 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: with cal. We'll remember the twenty twelve, the twenty fifteen, 570 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: John wall I don't think we'll remember these last few years. 571 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: Do you agree. 572 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that, because that's where it should be. 573 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: Right now. We're still, I think, stinging from what has 574 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: happened in the last couple of years. But what he 575 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: did for us, that first teen year run, that's one 576 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: of the best runs in the history of college basketball. 577 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: We can't deny that, can't deny him that. 578 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: I disagree to a point. I mean, has a coach 579 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: ever done less with more than John CALIPERI? I mean 580 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: I see the amount of NBA stars, not just draft picks, 581 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: but stars, and a failure to win anything past but you. 582 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: And this is not a criticism of you, because I 583 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: want you to be who you are. But you didn't 584 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: grow up living this like we did. In some ways, 585 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: you missed those years to a degree. 586 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: I mean I watched it, but I wasn't doing right and. 587 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: You weren't a fan though you weren't like so like 588 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: one of the things about being a Kentucky fan for 589 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: guys our age. When we were young, we were the 590 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: cool team. I mean, we were good, but we weren't cool. 591 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: He made us the cool team. We'd never been that before. Ryan, 592 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: would you agree? Never? No? I mean the way think 593 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: about the way you guys look now at like, like 594 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: if you're young, think about how you look at Houston. Yeah, 595 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: that's how the country looked at us, but just a 596 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: blue blood Houston, like a team you respected, but people 597 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: weren't lining up to watch it. When cal came here, 598 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: that change, yea to some extent. It did with Rick too, 599 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: but it changed with cal So that's why I have 600 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: a positive view. But I want to go back to 601 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: just second how it became untenable. This is a fact. 602 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: At the end of his time, he had no relationship 603 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: of substance with his AD, no relationship of substance with 604 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: his athletic department, no relationship of substance with the biggest 605 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: boosters in the program, no relationlationship of substance with the media, 606 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: any of them. He was down to having a couple 607 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: of his people contact national media. He had no one locally, 608 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: so when things went bad, who was there to turn 609 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: to when things went bad? Why do you think when 610 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: we lost Thursday night, he flew back with the team 611 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: and then immediately went to New Jersey. Think about that. 612 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: I want you to think about that. This is twice 613 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: the Saint Peter's game and this game where we lost 614 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: and he got out of town immediately. That's not a 615 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: person connected, is it. 616 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 3: No, you need to do a little damage control. You're 617 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: the leader of that program. 618 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: So when things are going good, you can do whatever 619 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: you want. You don't have to be friends with anybody. 620 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: You can be whoever you want to be. You can 621 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: be Frank Sinatra singing my way. But when things go bad, 622 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: that's when you need people. And the reality is he 623 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: had run those people off. 624 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: So at Arkansas he'll be back to the good cow. 625 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: You know. 626 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: I think he'll reach. 627 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: Out to all those people. Yes, because now he doesn't 628 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: have to get over the pride of having been wrong. 629 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: Right right, So if he all of a sudden rebuilt 630 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: a relationship with Mitge and rebuilt a relationship with the Boosters, 631 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: and rebuilt a relationship with the media, part of that 632 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: would have required him to admit he was wrong. Now 633 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do that. No, he doesn't. He 634 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: can just go and be himself and it'll work. It 635 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: will because it worked here for ten years. But it 636 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: was going to require him to take a step back 637 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: and go, you know what, I need you, you, you 638 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: and you to build this back. And that's not him. 639 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 3: No, he alienated a lot of people. 640 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: And then the reports came out that he said he 641 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: didn't feel wanted by Matt Norland. Do you think that 642 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: was the case. 643 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: Yes, But it's his own fault, right, it's his own fault. Again. 644 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: I will I will take up for col in the 645 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: first ten years with anybody anytime, But these last four 646 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: years are his fault. They are his fault, both on 647 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: the court and off the court. And so Arkansas did 648 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: Kentucky a blessing. 649 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: Saved them thirty four million, saved them thirty four million dollars. 650 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: And they're gonna get a coach that'll be good there. 651 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: He will be happier and so will we. I know 652 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: that feels weird. There's a sense of like, are we 653 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: gonna be okay? But we are Kentucky basketball. We're gonna 654 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: be okay. It's just gonna be different, right very It's 655 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: like it's like my marriage analogy. It's a divorce. It's 656 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: a divorce where you know you and your wife were 657 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: not happy together anymore. But the day she walks out 658 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: the door and you go to sleep by yourself, there's 659 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: a part of you going, uh oh, what now? But 660 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: the thing you have to remember is you weren't happy 661 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: the night before, and so now you have a chance 662 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: to go make yourself happy. Aget get back out there, 663 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: and so does she, And that's what you gotta hope happens. 664 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: We'll take a break, be right back. It's KOSR. Welcome Back, 665 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: KSR apre Show, Billy Ryan and Matt Billy filling in 666 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: on big day Shannon and Drew gone. Billy steps up 667 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: to the plate here. All right, so let's talk for 668 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: a second about what's next. Yeah, so let's give you 669 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: some reasons for optimism. Okay, because I think it's it's 670 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: natural for people to be pessimistic. Let's talk optimism. We 671 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: got about four boosters that basically had stopped participating in basketball, 672 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: either because of personal dislike of Cal or because of neglect. 673 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: They'll all be right back in it. So I'm not 674 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: worried about the money you want to. I mean, look, 675 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how much I can go into all this, 676 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: but I was, you. 677 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: Know, I was. 678 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: I was around and giving conversations during the start of 679 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: the law familiar thing, and I was just giving my 680 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: advice to him, and I said, I don't know if 681 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna work for a variety of reasons, but 682 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: the biggest one is you gotta have the big guys 683 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: and cal Cali Perry created the program in his image. Okay, 684 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: that's awesome because his image was this NBA image. He 685 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: created the program in his image. It was a cow 686 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: program more than it was a UK program. Let's be real. 687 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: These players came here for cow. They did not come 688 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: here for Kentucky. That's okay, It's still benefited us. But 689 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: he created a cow program. But there's been a worry 690 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: for five years at UK about well what comes next? Right? 691 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: I hate to keep analogizing it to politics, but I 692 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: don't know how else to do it. The Republican Party 693 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: just replaced everyone in their leadership with Trump people. Well, 694 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: that's fine when you have Trump, but what about after Trump? 695 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: What happens when he's gone? If the whole thing is 696 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: built in his image, what happens when he's gone. That's 697 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: what this is. It was built in his image. So 698 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: part of the worry for people is all these donors 699 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: are cow people. The UK donors have kind of gotten 700 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: pushed to the side for cow people. So now you 701 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: got to go get all those people back. But the 702 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: thing is they're waiting to be taken back. So the 703 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: money's there. I'm not worried about the money. Would you 704 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: agree with that? Yeah? 705 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that these boosters were there before CAL, even early 706 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: during CAL. They'll come back. They'll be back. 707 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: So the money, whatever Natos buy out or what is, 708 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: the money'll be there. The nile will be there. I'm 709 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: not worried about the money. Now, the question, though, is 710 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: can you make the right house higher? Because if you 711 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: do the money he'll take care of itself. Cal had 712 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: neglected UK donors for Caliperry donors. Cal had basically looked 713 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: at the long time UK people and said, hey, I 714 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: love you. But then he looked at these people and goes, 715 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: I know these people will be loyal to me. Cal's 716 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: all about loyalty. Well that's not They were loyal to him. 717 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: But now he's gone, and so now you got to 718 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: go back to those old stalwart UK people. Yes, and 719 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: that's what will end up having. 720 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 3: Since we're talking about money, I gotta ask you what 721 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 3: about this law familiar money that was doning. 722 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: It was only like fifty grand though, Yeah, but there 723 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: was more money behind the scenes. I think with with donors, 724 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: my assumption is it'll still be used for UK stuff. 725 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: I would think so it might still exist, just with 726 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: a different name. I mean the goal I mean give 727 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: this the people who created law Familia. The goal of that, 728 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: honestly was to try to create an nisle thing that 729 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: survived Cal. They asked me my opinion, I'll tell you 730 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: what I said, don't call it law familion. No, I 731 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: mean that's a cow thing, right, Like my thing was. 732 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: You want to build a you want to build something 733 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: for the future, don't just make it about cow and 734 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: that I got overruled on that. We'll talk someday about 735 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: the video. Yeah, I mean the video to me was 736 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: very telling. It was and I'll I'm not gonna do 737 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: that today, but we'll talk about that video. The video 738 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: for the intro of that. The way that played out, well, 739 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I mean, what do 740 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: we have to what do we have to worry about now? 741 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: When I the way that video came out is how 742 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: I knew this won't go work right. 743 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 3: When you heard the things that happened. 744 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: There were it was just a process that should have 745 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: worked differently on that, and that's when I knew, like, 746 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: it's just not gonna change. So but I still think 747 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: in the future, the money's there, the donors are there, 748 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: the fans will get whoever this next person is, fans 749 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: will get excited about. Remember down the road at Louisville, 750 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: they hire Pat Kelsey. Louisville fans are despressed, and in 751 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: two days he won them all over. And now they 752 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: gave a million. The new coach will do the same thing. 753 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: Whoever we get will walk in here and we'll be excited, 754 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: and this fan base will be re energized, and then 755 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 1: it's just about going and winning. 756 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 3: Do you agree, Do we have a coach by the 757 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 3: end of the week. 758 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: We need to. We need to because we gotta go 759 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: get players. Yes, We're gonna have to go get players. 760 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: All right, we will take a break. DraftKings promo codis KSR. Right, 761 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: go get and get on your DraftKings. I bet the 762 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: National Championship one hundred and fifty bucks. 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