1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: If you had to eat a man or a dog first, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: where would you go? 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Dog? I mean, if you're going to put me in 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: that like Sophie's choice situation. 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me Jeff, Oh yeah me too. 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: You're you're thinking real hard about that, but but we're 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: gonna let it go all right. Today I am joined 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: by the hilarious inimitable Nick Kroll. Nick, Welcome to snap Foo. 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on. 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me ed, and thanks for using the 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: word inimitable. 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be inimitatable. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Is that what it is. 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: That's what it means, That's what it means. It but 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: it's inimitable, which is a weird one. 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm so excited to be here on SNAE 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: fou as well. We are. 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm so glad to have you. Obviously, we have been 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: friends a very long time. I was trying to trace 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: back the origin of our friendship and I can't. I 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: couldn't do it. Well. 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: I I have a memory that you don't have, which 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: is we in New York when you were starting out, 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: you would do these shows at clubs called like Bringer shows. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: You'd have to bring five to ten people to a 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 1: comedy club, so that you could like get a tape 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: made of you at a comedy club to prove that 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: you had. And I did my first Bringer show ever 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: at the Boston Comedy Club in New York City, ironically 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: named and you were the host of that show. At 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: this point, ed you were already flying high. You had 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: been in a Dale Earnhardt super Bowl commercial. You were 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: you were big, you were you were big time. You 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: had been in a national you had been in a 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: network national TV commercial. You were a big deal. 36 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: That was commercial. Yeah, yeah, it was a big deal, Junior. 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: That was my first like big acting booking of my life. 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, trust me, it was a big deal for me 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: to it just to be in the same room as 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: someone who had been in the same room as They'll Earnhardt, Junior. 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: But you were incredibly nice to me that day, as 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: you have been every day since then. And it really 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: it still tickles me that, like that we're friends and 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: that I am doing you this massive favor of being 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: on the podcast. 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is uh, you know, this 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 2: is payback for your first stage to take your first 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: stand up taping or whatever the hell was. Absolutely, before 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: I get into the tragedy, the story the snap who 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: that I am going to tell you. Do you have 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: any major snaff who's from your life that you would 52 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: like to share? 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: So I was away with my whole family. We were 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: in I think Puerto Rico on a family vacation around 55 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: I think, you know, like Christmas vacation, and so my 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: dad thought a cool thing to do would be to 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: organize a deep sea fishing trip for my mom's birthday. 58 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: Because my dad knows nothing about what is my mom 59 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: would enjoy, so they packed us, like the hotel packed 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: us a bunch of like tuna sandwiches, because you know, 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico is famous for its tuna fish sandwiches. My 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: family ranged from about eight to fifteen, four of us 63 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: my parents, and you're the youngest, right, I'm the youngest. Yeah, 64 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: you're eight. I'm eight or nine years old. And we 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: get on the boat. We're going out to the deep 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: sea and the waves are horrible, like we later found 67 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: out that a tanker had capsized that day in the Atlantic, 68 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: so the waves were massive. We were just getting hummeled 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: and we all were sitting there and the entire family 70 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: puked our tuna fish sandwiches out all over all over 71 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: the place except for my dad, who just sat in 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: the captain's chair gripping like the chair turning. I'd never seen, 73 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: you know when people say like, uh, he turned green, 74 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: like I've never seen it really since before since, but 75 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: my dad turned fully like like a shar truse, and 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: all of us just absolutely rapped all over this boat 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: and it was like happy birthday, mom. 78 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: This is this is perfect. And the best part is 79 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: like a tuna fish sandish sandwich smells horrendous to begin with, fresh, 80 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: like a fresh sandwich right out of the deli's like it. Oh, 81 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: it's kind of a gross thing already, and then to 82 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: eat it and then to regurgitate it, yeah, is just 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: an unthinkable stench. It's not ideal. No, well, that's very tragic, 84 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: and I'm very very sorry. But this is a perfect 85 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: lead in to our snapoo for today. I'm going to 86 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: tell you the story of Ernest Shackleton's fateful expedition to Antarctica. 87 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: Do you know much about this? To begin with? 88 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: I have heard of this, but I have no recall 89 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: of it. 90 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: It is a fascinating and wild story. Are you ready 91 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: to jump in? Nick Kroll? 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm strapped into the Captain's share. The waves are big. 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: I've finished my tuna sandwich and I'm ready to go. 94 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: All right, let's do it. 95 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 96 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope this story is good enough to 97 00:05:52,040 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: get you to toss that sandwich. Let's start out by 98 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: getting to know our protagonist, Ernest Shackleton. First off, can 99 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: we talk about the name, because it is such an 100 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: inherently badass name. I mean, he sounds like a like 101 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: a seventies action movie star that should be played by 102 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: Charles Bronson, or like the president's fixer. Get me Shackleton. 103 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, and the but then that, but 104 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: then the first name being Ernest also speaks to like 105 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: a sense of character inside of that. 106 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: There you go. I always thought Nick Kroll was kind 107 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: of a badass name. Get me Nick Kroll, Get me Kroll? 108 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 109 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: Aed Elms is like the guy peeling turnips on the porch. 110 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: Here. 111 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hey yeah, I yeah, but like i'd say, 112 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: one of the top turnip tossers in the in the county. 113 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Well thank you. Well, As as we will soon learn, 114 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Ernest Shackleton very much lived up to that badass name. 115 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: Born in eighteen seventy four in Ireland. Shackleton moved to 116 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: London at age ten, but the whole sitting in a 117 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: classroom thing not so much for young Ernest. By the 118 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: age sixteen, he bailed on formal education and just like 119 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: set out to see because I guess that's what you 120 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: did in the eighteen nineties when you had a short 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: attention span and there was no adderall hadn't been invented yet. 122 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: Now Shackleton had a pretty striking appearance. I think we 123 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: have a picture of him. Can we take a look here? 124 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: Less I'm seeing less like Polar Adventurer and more junior 125 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: high music teacher. 126 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: Uh huh, ed, Can I ask how many of the 127 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: people that you have traced in this show look like 128 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: they could be relatives of yours? 129 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: That's fair. He does look like my dad a little bit. 130 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: He actually looks a lot like my grandfather. Yeah, I 131 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: might be related to Ernest Jackleton. I gotta dig into this. 132 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: I would not put it past you, all right, But 133 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: to answer your question, it's a prerequisite we only talk 134 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: about people who look vaguely like me or my relatives. 135 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: So let's set the stage a little bit, get a 136 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: little historical context. Now, you might think that in the 137 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds, a hair brained scheme like crossing Antarctica 138 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: would be a crazy outlier, like Elon Musk trying to 139 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: go to Mars or me trying to take my kids 140 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: on any ten minute hike. But actually you'd be wrong, 141 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: because around this time, no less than ten different countries 142 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: sent out seventeen major expeditions. In fact, Antarctica was so 143 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: infested with explorers this period became known as the Heroic 144 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: Age of Antarctic exploration. I'm sad we missed that age, Nick. 145 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: I will say, I've been to Ushwa, which is in 146 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: the southernmost tip of Argentina. 147 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,119 Speaker 2: Oh very close, all right, which. 148 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: Was like less than five hundred miles from Antarctica. I 149 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: could see Antarctica. 150 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: You could see it. Yeah, wow, Oh that's. 151 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Cool and it was not hard at all. So whatever 152 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: is about to happen? To Shackleton? 153 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: Like, no big deal, get a grip, bro Yeah all right, well, 154 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: let's get into it. Ernie was on a lot of 155 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: these early expeditions and even set some impressive records marching 156 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: further south than anyone had before him. He was even 157 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: knighted for some of his early exploration down there but 158 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: then Norwegian explorer Rolled Amensen would become the first to 159 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: reach the South Pole in nineteen eleven. So Shackleton then 160 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: set his sights on the next prize, which was to 161 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: be the first person to cross the entire continent from 162 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: to see. Now. I don't know how about you, Nick, 163 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: but I'm I'm concerned about Shackleton's odds here. It's like 164 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds. This is not an easy trek. 165 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: Ed. I have enough problems getting across town. 166 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: Okay, can we talk about the bumper to bumper or 167 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: shall I say bow to stern traffic all around Antarctica. 168 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: It is a doozy down there. 169 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: It's a doozy of a continent to cross. I will 170 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: tell you that. 171 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: On December fifth, nineteen fourteen, Shackleton sets sail for Antarctica 172 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: from South Georgia, which is a tiny British territory deep 173 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: in the Southern Atlantic Ocean. His ship is the HMS Endurance, 174 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: which is another badass name, if I may say. The 175 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: plan was to establish a land base on the Wettell 176 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: Sea coast and then just start sledding across the Antarctic. Now, 177 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: let's keep in mind it is nineteen fourteen. You can't 178 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: just run to ARII and like pick up some capeline 179 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: bass layers and a gortex shell. No, you are headed 180 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: to Antarctica and all of your clothes are basically made 181 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: out of like leather, wool, and wood. So it's it 182 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: ain't comfy. I guess that is what I'm trying to say. 183 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: What would you pack on this trip, Nick Kral? What 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: would you bring? 185 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: I would bring my hypoallergenic pillow. I would bring my 186 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: penguin du Lingo. Did you say penguin do a lingo? Yeah, 187 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: if you got to talk to penguins. Antarctica famous for. 188 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: The language, so you can learn penguin language. 189 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can learn penguin worst. 190 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: I thought you actually had a penguin named Duo Lingo. 191 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish. So. 192 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: The crew of this expedition consists of twenty seven men. 193 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: Actually it's twenty eight because there was a stowaway. There 194 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: are sixty nine sled dogs and a single tomcat that 195 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: they named missus Chippy. So yes, that is a male 196 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: cat with a female name. Because Shackleton was evidently very progressive, 197 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: any anyone like jumped to mind, like who you would 198 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: want to bring on this. Who would be in your crew? 199 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna fit have some people who know how to 200 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: take care of dogs. You want some people who can 201 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: read a you know, a compass, although I don't know 202 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: what happens to your compass when you go to a pole. 203 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if it goes haywire when you go to 204 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: a pole. 205 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: It's probably not super helpful down there. That's a good point. 206 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: And that there, it's almost like celestial navigation down there. 207 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: I think, oh, that's cool, all right, So they're often 208 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: running on this expedition. Two days in they encountered a 209 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: huge barrier of ice arounding Antarctica, which is usually there, 210 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: I gather, but this one was particularly bad. They were 211 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: expecting to be able to sail all the way to land, 212 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: but they didn't get there, and by the following month, 213 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: on January eighteenth, the HMS Endurance got completely stuck in 214 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: the ice. As one of the crew members, Thomas Ordley's 215 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: put it, they were frozen like an almond in the 216 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: middle of a chocolate bar, which I think, right, it's 217 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: a kind of a weirdly yummy metaphor for a life 218 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 2: threatening situation. Yeah, I would have gone with something a 219 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: little darker, maybe maybe an almond stuck in dark chocolate. Shackleton, Yeah, 220 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: there you go, Shackleton, his men, all the dogs, and 221 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: of course missus Chippy had no choice but to simply 222 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: hunker down and wait out a very long winter winter 223 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: in Antarctica, probably not real mellow, and just to make 224 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: things a little more dire, on May first, the sun 225 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: fully vanished for four whole months. Now, Nick, I know 226 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: you're a flat earther, but this is actually a crazy 227 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: phenomenon due to the Earth's tilt, where in the North 228 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: and South Poles at certain times of the year have 229 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: either total sunlight or total blackout for months on end. 230 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: So in the wintertime total blackout. 231 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I am in a total blackout right now. 232 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've known you a long time, Like a good 233 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: sixty percent of your day is blackout. 234 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: God, and I'm just following the celestial signs to get 235 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: through the day. No, it just sounds like a nightmare 236 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: to be in the dark going across the continent nobody 237 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: has ever been to and trying to guide yourself, hoping 238 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: that you're going in the right direction. 239 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: But also you're not even on land yet, like you're 240 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: in the You're still in the ocean, just stuck on 241 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: ice like that. That doesn't feel safe to be eaten in 242 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: the now right? No, are you, Nick Kroll? Are you 243 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: good in a crisis like if this, if you're in 244 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: this situation, are you just like freaking out, breaking out 245 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: in hives, like panicking, screaming at everybody? Are you like 246 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: pitching in like staying optimistic. 247 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm good in a crisis, but 248 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I do not freak out. My blood pressure drops. I 249 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: get very calm. I don't know if I'm effective or helpful, 250 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: but I am definitely I don't like panic. 251 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: I've seen you in a crisis. I've actually I remember 252 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: we were set to do some shows at the Telluride 253 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: Comedy Festival, and we went to dinner ahead of time, 254 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: and you were acting a little strange, and you got 255 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: a little quiet at dinner, and that's when you told 256 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: us that that your edibles were kicking in. You'd had 257 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: some of that sweet Colorado edible and uh, and I 258 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: started to panic. I was like, we got to do 259 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: these shows. We're we're improving together. Where you got you know, 260 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: a lot of us are are counting on each other. 261 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: You were so chill and you wrote it so beautifully. 262 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: You were having fun, you were you got you got 263 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: real giggly, but it was like it was definitely a 264 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: lot more than you were expecting. 265 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just one of the last times I probably 266 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: did edibles, because every time I'd ever done edibles, it's 267 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: a massive snat foo. 268 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: It's just like you can't can't go well. So now 269 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: by September, the pressure of the ice all around the 270 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: HMS Endurance is getting even more intense because they're just 271 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: these huge ice flows that are that are being pushed 272 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: by the wind and the currents, and they're they're starting 273 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: to crush the ship. And by October, as the ice 274 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: constricted the ship more and more, it began to list 275 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: over dramatically to one side and was even taking on water. 276 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: So Shackleton orders everyone to abandon ship. They set up 277 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: camp on the ice. And here's a fun detail. They 278 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: even made little dog a glues for the dogs, which 279 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: they called dog glues. 280 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: Aw. 281 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: If you live in a winter climate, think about making 282 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: a doglue, because it's it's unbelievably adorable. 283 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Well, there is a dog blue housing shortage right now, 284 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: of course, that I feel like we should address. Yeah, 285 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: and I just want to talk. I want to be 286 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: able to talk about that. Have this be a space 287 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: where we can talk about that kind of stuff. 288 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: Let's do it now. Here's another cool weird detail is 289 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: you might be wondering why how do we have a 290 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: picture of the actual dog glue. Well, there was a 291 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: photographer on this expedition and he his name was Frank Hurley, 292 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: and it was his job to document everything. But they're 293 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: just pictures of all this stuff we're talking about, and 294 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: I would encourage our listeners to check them out because 295 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: it's very cool. Okay, so they have shelter, but what 296 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: are these guys eating. The crew is hunting seals and 297 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: penguins to feed themselves and the dogs. What do you think? 298 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: Are you more of a seal or penguin guy? 299 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: I love frankly both. I find seals to be like 300 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: just about the cutest. 301 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: It's hard to eat cute things. I think penguins are 302 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: unbelievably cute. 303 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think penguins are funny to me. I don't 304 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: know if they're Yeah, I don't know how good the 305 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: meat is on a penguin, You. 306 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: Know what I mean, It's not a delicacy. If all 307 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: of this is not bad enough. Things are about to 308 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: get way worse for Ernie Shacky and all his buddies. 309 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: The endurance weg wedged in the ice hasn't sunk yet, 310 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: but it's not looking good and they know that they 311 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: need to lose as much weight as possible, so they 312 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: begin unloading and discarding whatever they can sacrifice, books, bibles, 313 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 2: personal belongings. Sadly, this also meant putting down some of 314 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: the smaller dogs that they knew wouldn't survive, which must 315 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: have been really tough in those circumstances. And yes, even 316 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: Missus Chippy was put down. Rip Missus Chippy. Yeah this 317 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: is hard. I mean, they're in survival mode here. It's 318 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: pretty it's pretty brutal. Then it happened on November twenty first, 319 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: Shackleton and his crew watched as the endurance sank, and 320 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: apparently Shackleton yelled out, she's going boys. I don't know 321 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: if if that was like a sort of like a 322 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: funny thing to say at the time, or like it 323 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: was through tears. But all I know is if my 324 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 2: one mode of transportation out of certain death is just 325 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: sinking before my eyes, I'm probably a little upset. I 326 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: might have a little panic attack. 327 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: It would be a bad vibe. I think it's fair to. 328 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: Say pretty bad vibe. Now, obviously their game plan has 329 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: now shifted dramatically. It's gone from let's make a heroic 330 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: crossing of this continent to basically, let's just try to 331 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: get the hell out of your life. And yeah, so 332 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: basically they just start walking across this never ending ice 333 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: flow towards land. I mean, what else are you gonna do? 334 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: But they're not just walking. They're also hauling the lifeboats 335 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: that they salvaged from the endurance, and they're using them 336 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: as sleds to carry their supplies. So, needless to say, 337 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: this is very slow going. They only managed to walk 338 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: seven miles in seven days. So Shackleton gives the order. 339 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: He's like, this is hopeless. We got to just hunker 340 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: down and wait for conditions to get better. Yeah, so 341 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: they did. They set up camp again. Unfortunately, the ice 342 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: drifted in their favor, and finally, on April seventh, Elephant 343 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: Island came into view on the horizon. Now it ain't Maui, 344 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure it was a lovely sight to see, right, 345 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: it's land. Like they're just sighted to see some land 346 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: at this point. But now their ice flow that they're 347 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: riding on is starting to kind of break apart, and 348 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: it's no longer safe. Also just terrifying, like they're in 349 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: the Antarctic Ocean, for God's sake. So on April eleventh, 350 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: nineteen sixteen, they're forced to pack up the boats and 351 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: launch for Elephant Island. Now, these are tiny little lifeboats. 352 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: They're like twenty two feet long, and they're basically like 353 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: big canoes, and they're in very high seas with waves 354 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: crashing around them, and that water is a little bit chilly, right, 355 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 2: probably one would like it's ice water. It's literally like 356 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm having a glass of ice water. 357 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: I love it at a restaurant. I don't necessarily want 358 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: to go swim. 359 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: It ed cold plunging is is a delight when it 360 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: is a choice. But these guys are just getting Yeah, 361 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: these guys are getting just slammed by huge waves and 362 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: freezing water. And also at this point a lot of 363 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: them are suffering from sea sickness and dysentery. So imagine 364 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 2: your sickness that you had on your family vacation, but 365 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: add to that dysentery, and now you know that it 366 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: ain't just seawater slashing around in those boats at this point. 367 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I like to think i'd be one 368 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: of the guys yanking on the oars getting us to 369 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: Elton Island. 370 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: I think I don't. 371 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 2: I might be bald up on the floor in fetal position, 372 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: but I don't see you that way. 373 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: Ed I think you're a You're a You're a you're 374 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: a team player. 375 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 376 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: I mean when I was, when I was like losing 377 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: my mind and edibles, all you did was poke me 378 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: and make the fun of me. So we supported you. 379 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: You did, you really genuinely did. 380 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: Okay, after six days and thirty miles of open ocean, 381 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: they finally make landfall. Yes, they've been gone now for 382 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: a year and a half and they're finally on solid ground. 383 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: But don't party yet, because I have a little bit 384 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: of bad news, which is that, yes, Elephant Island uninhabited, right, 385 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: so you can't just check into it Hampton in and 386 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: hit the Applebee's for a hot rack of ribs. This 387 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: ordeal is far from over. So they're on solid ground, 388 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: which is which is great. And it's been a harrowing journey, 389 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: like like they're basically heroes already, but there's so much 390 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: more ahead. So Shackleton and his crew still need some 391 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 2: serious help getting out of there. So after a few 392 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: days recuperating and gorging on more of that delicious penguin jerky, yeah, 393 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: Shackleton yeuh me, Shackleton and four other men once again 394 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 2: boarded one of those tiny little lifeboats. And it's just 395 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: that this is they basically are like sending off just 396 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: a tiny crew to go get help while the rest 397 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: wait on Elfin Island. They board a tiny lifeboat named 398 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: the James Cared and set sail for South Georgia Island. 399 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: No big deal, it's only eight hundred miles. 400 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: Away, my god. 401 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: But alas, after sixteen brutal days again hot like incredibly 402 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: high seas, like like crazy stormy winds, they make it. 403 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: They make it to South Georgia. 404 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: Wow. 405 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: But nick, uh huh guess what? Oh and what they're 406 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: on the wrong side of the island. Oh now they 407 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: mean well, because I think because the currents and the 408 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: wind the storms were so intense, they couldn't land actually 409 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: at this little whaling state that they were aiming for. 410 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: And they actually landed on the exact wrong side of 411 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: the island. So now they're exhausted, starving, frozen, basically solid, 412 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: and they have to climb over a mountain to get 413 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: to this little whaling outpost. And guess what they did it? 414 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: They just did it. These guys are unstoppable. This is 415 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Ernest Shackleton and a few of his his top crew. 416 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: They get all the way over the mountain and they 417 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: descend into this little uh whaling out post, and the 418 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: the Norwegian I think he's a Norwegian guy that kind 419 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: of runs this place, and he's just like, this is impossible, 420 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: Like humans can't just show up on South Georgia Island 421 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: with like inexplicably and you. 422 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: Don't know Ernie, you know, you know Ernie. 423 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: Have you met Ernie? Obviously, this this guy is super hospitable, 424 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: gives them a warm welcome. They rest up, they recuperate, 425 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: but now of course they have to go back and 426 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: rescue everyone still on Elephant Island. But it takes now, 427 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: it takes a long time to get the resources together 428 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: to do that, so it's another one hundred and twenty 429 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: six days before they finally returned to Elephant Island on 430 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: August thirtieth, nineteen sixteen. And rescued the remainder of the 431 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: crew and sailed back to civilization. They arrived in Chili 432 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: six hundred and thirty eight days after their initial voyage started, 433 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: and Nick, brace yourself. Every single member of the crew survived. 434 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 4: Its crazy There was obviously a very tragic loss of 435 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 4: life with the dogs and Missus Chippy, but the crew, 436 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: the human crew, all survived. 437 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: Did they eat the dogs? 438 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: I think that some of the dogs were consumed, But 439 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: at that point you're like, hey, billy, if you die, 440 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: we're eating you. 441 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I think if you had to eat 442 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: a man or a dog first, where would you go? 443 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: Dog? I mean, if you're gonna put me in that 444 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: like Sophie's choice situation. 445 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me, oh yeah me too? 446 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah for sure, Okay, for sure. Yeah really you're 447 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: you're thinking real hard about that, but but we're gonna 448 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: let it go. You're a you're a recreational cannibal. 449 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a fine young cannible. I'm a fine middle 450 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: aged cannibal. 451 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: So this is a this is a crazy story, and 452 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: it's an interesting one in the snafu category because it 453 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: obviously it's a failed mission and it becomes this terrible, terrible, 454 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: awful tragedy, all of which make it a complete snaffoo, 455 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: and yet it then kind of takes this positive turn 456 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: in the end. So what's your call on this? Would 457 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: you say it's an epic fail or an epic win? 458 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: Well, I think it speaks to the larger point of 459 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: view you have on life, which is all Ernie Shackleton 460 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: one of them last remaining great two point scorers because 461 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: they had not and they had not put the three 462 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: point line in. But Ernie Shackleton obviously was a motivated 463 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: fella and was setting incredibly high standards and goals for himself. 464 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to cross all of Antarctica. He failed to 465 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: do that, and that must be that must have been 466 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: quite disappointing. However, to basically go to years with a 467 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: crew of twenty seven twenty eight men to serve have 468 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: every one of them survive is a triumph of organization 469 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: and leadership and adaptability, and he could. He was tough 470 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: on himself, But I hope that Ernest was able to 471 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: sort of see what a feat that that is to 472 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: have brought everyonebody back. 473 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: It is largely considered a very heroic occurrence in among 474 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: historians and it's funny because you know, the British explorer 475 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: tradition is so like ego driven. It's sort of like 476 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: it's one of those things where it's like, well, you 477 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: put yourself in that situation. Yeah, this whole thing. 478 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: Was optional, but right, yeah, but that said, like, we 479 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: do need people who push that envloge open, like push 480 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: humanity forward with these incredible, daring explorations, and he's one 481 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: of those people. 482 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: It went terribly wrong, but. 483 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: By Jove, which you have to imagine that was said so. 484 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: Much and by the way, it would be another fifty 485 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: years before anyone crossed Antarctica, so he was way ahead 486 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: of his time. Like it wasn't it wasn't actually accomplished 487 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: for a long long time after that. There's more of 488 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: the story on March fifth, twenty twenty two. This is 489 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: only a few years ago. The HMS Endurance was discovered 490 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and seven years later. Many said the ship 491 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: would be impossible to find because the Wettell Sea is 492 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: permanently covered in so much thick ice, but using lunar 493 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: occultation notes, it's basically tracking the Moon's movements and the 494 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: ship's astronomer or whatever or Navigate had kept really meticulous 495 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: notes about the celestial bodies moving, and they had these 496 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: incredible notes. They were able to kind of like go 497 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: back in time, and based on his notes, pinpoint the 498 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: location where the Endurance had been stuck in the ice, 499 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: and so that's where they searched, and lo and behold 500 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: they found it. Now some called it the most pristine 501 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: shipwreck they'd ever seen. Apparently, like in warm, warmer waters, 502 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: there are these enzymes and different things that consume or 503 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: kind of denigrate the wood over time, but none of 504 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: that is in the wettll sea. It's just too cold. 505 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: So the shipwreck is in perfect condition. It's like, I 506 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: think it's like two miles deep. And they could even 507 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: read HMS Endurance on the back. And then this is fascinating. 508 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: They found bottles of whiskey buried in the ice near 509 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: Shackleton's wreck, and miraculously these remained liquid despite the minus 510 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: twenty two degrees fahrenheit weather. How much would you pay 511 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: for a bottle of Enduring year old? 512 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: Oh, I I'd pay. I'd pay a lot, like could 513 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: I venmo him? Yeah, I'd pay apports of you know, 514 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: like sixty bucks. 515 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: I would pay a shitload for that scotch. I'm not 516 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: even it's probably not consumable. But but also I must say, 517 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: if there's if there's scotch left behind this adventure, like 518 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm starting to question their priorities, right. 519 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: Like what were they doing leaving all that that scotch behind? 520 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 521 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Come on, this is well. 522 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: You know, Shackleton had good scotch, like he was he 523 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: was he was Sir Ernest Shackleton like, and he's like 524 00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: he had the good stuff. 525 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is well before Bush has no 526 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: scotch left behind. But you have to imagine how they 527 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: made it. I guess they were probably like, if we're 528 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: going to make it for a year or two, like 529 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of literally in the middle of nowhere, 530 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: alcohol is not going to help, Like this is only 531 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: going to create discord amongst us, So maybe better to 532 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: leave it behind, all right. 533 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: As for Ernest Shackleton, he passed away at the very 534 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: not ripe young age of forty seven in nineteen twenty 535 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: two from a heart attack during another Antarctic expedition. So 536 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: he was not traumatized by this. He went back, he 537 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: was like, give me more Antarctica. Researchers now say that 538 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: he may have had a hole in his heart based 539 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: on a lot of the symptoms that he was just 540 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: making notes of in his journal, which is a congenital 541 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: heart defect that's not uncommon. Some say that the hole 542 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 2: in his heart was just the grief over losing missus Chippy. 543 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 2: Who can say that's true? Also, okay, and I love this. 544 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: After a doctor asked him to take it easy, his 545 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: reported last words were, you always want me to give 546 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 2: up something. What do you want me to give up? Now? 547 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: I guess you can take the Shackleton out of the voyage, 548 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: but you can't take the voyager out of Shackleton. Indeed, Nick, 549 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: that's our story. That is the story of Ernest Shackleton. 550 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: That is today's snafu. What have we learned anything? Any 551 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: big takeaways? Yeah, let's see. You can preserve your body 552 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: in a cold plunge for one hundred years. 553 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: Don't go to Antarctica. Just don't go, like, let it be, 554 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: just let it be. Or if you do, make sure 555 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: you go with Ernest Shackleton. Go with Ernie. Dogs are 556 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: delicious if you need something to. 557 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: Eat, if you're starving and about to die. Yeah, all right, 558 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 2: what about you? 559 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: Any any takeaways for you. 560 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: I love these this kind of survival story because it's 561 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: just so inspiring and not not in a way that's like, oh, well, 562 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: what are my problems compared to that guy's problems. It's 563 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: more like, if he could do that right, it makes 564 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 2: me hopeful for like our for human potential, like all 565 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: the things that we we can do and deal with, 566 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 2: and that unfortunately, like TikTok and Instagram, is like slowly 567 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 2: sapping out of us, like we're the more we the 568 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 2: more we indulge in modern society, it feels like we're 569 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: just sort of losing this metal that people like Shackleton 570 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: and all of his men had. 571 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: I'm inspired. I'm inspired to go live more earnestly. 572 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 2: Nick, you inspire me on a daily thank you he 573 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: inspire me. 574 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: You do? 575 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: Are you up to anything? Is there anything we can 576 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: talk about and tell the world and fans and listeners about. 577 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing a journey to Antarctica. 578 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: I saw that the GoFundMe page your goal was fifteen 579 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: hundred dollars. It doesn't seem adequate. 580 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: I know I have a Depending on when this comes out, 581 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: the final season of Big Mouth, my animated show on Netflix, 582 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: comes out yes in late spring. There's a movie that 583 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: I made with Andrew Rynolds called I Don't Understand You 584 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: that'll also be out late spring early summer. 585 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 2: Can't wait for that. 586 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: And a show that I produced and directed some of 587 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: called Adults on FX that'll be out this spring. So 588 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: fantastic whenever this stuff comes out. If you're not stuck 589 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,720 Speaker 1: on a boat in Antarctica, luckily it's not a problem 590 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: because everything is melting. Umm, can go check out one 591 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: of those things right on. 592 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 2: Nick. I adore you and I am so grateful to 593 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 2: have you on. Ladies and gentlemen, Nick. 594 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: Kroll, Thanks Ed, I love you, buddy. Cheers, It's a pleasure. Cheers. 595 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 2: Snappho is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Snapfoo Media, 596 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: a partnership between Film Nation Entertainment and Pacific Electric Picture Company. 597 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: Post production and creative support from Gilded Audio. Our executive 598 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: producers are me Ed Helms, Mike Falbo, Glenn Basner, Andy 599 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 2: Kim Whitney, Donaldson, and Dylan Fagan. This episode was produced 600 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: by Alyssa Martino, Tory Smith, and Carl Nellis. Our consulting 601 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 2: producer is Jess Hackle. 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