1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: It's time for the big a qa a to b 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: a q a. Would you say the big a q 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: a man dude to be a qa with tiffin A. 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I forgot b a qa b a 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: q a. It's all about you have questions. We have 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: answers about career, money, entrepreneurship, child, even your family and friends. Okay, 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: and so you can ask your questions here. And although 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: we're not your doctor, your lawyer, your therapist, or anybody 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: legally that can give you advice, we're not giving you advice. 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: We're just putting our two cents in this two smart 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: brown girls. That's our disclaimer. So your grandma not us. 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is my favorite time of the week 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: because it's been it's been a while since we've done 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: career questions. We were on a little break, but we 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: got some really juicy questions. As a reminder, if you 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: guys want to submit your questions, the best way to 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: do that is to either email us. I'm Brand Ambition 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: Podcast at gmail dot com or you can slide into 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: our dms. We are Brand Ambition Podcast on Nope, Yes, 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: we are Brand Ambition Podcast on ig I'm a little rusty, 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: all right, So the first question today comes from an 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 2: anonymous email that we got. All right. This listener says, 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: I am a forty five year old black woman making 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: seventy five dots seventy five thousand dollars a year as 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: a remote salesforce administrator. This is the most money I've 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: ever made as a yearly salary. I also have great 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: health benefits in three stipends that I can use to 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: pay from mental health, through lifestyle, and education expenses, in 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 2: addition to having my travel reimbursed. Plus I get RSUs 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: every month or quarter. 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: What's up to you? Just be clear? 32 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: Oh, restricted stock units? 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Okay? 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: So that means either she's on a monthly or quarterly 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: vesting schedule, which means once a month or at once 36 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: a quarter, she'll be able to actually sell those RSUs 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: for cash she'd like to. Uh yeah, So, she says, 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: I have only been this company for five months, but 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: I desire to leave asap. 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: Plus, I mean it's just like everything is great. It's 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: amazing money, money, money. I hate this place. 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: Anyway, I can tell you I desire to leave asap. 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: My boss. My boss has been quiet firing me since 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: about two months into my new role. The job history 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: on my resume shows that I've worked mostly temp jobs 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: that I don't stay at long. I am new to 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: the salesforce ecosystem and desire to continue in this industry 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: until I find the right fit. I would love to 49 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: hear any job transition advice from you. 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: Well, let's call her demure on demure way, Well, let 51 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: me just because this is not my my I'm just 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: going to jump in with like just some things that 53 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: pop out to me that would make me a little 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: worried that, Like, because she's forty five and that her 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: job history shows that she hasn't stayed in many places longer. 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that that's going to play a role in 57 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: finding new jobs because they might ask, well, what happened here? 58 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: What happened here? And how come you didn't stay long here? 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Also being new to the salesforce ecosystem and wanting to 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: stay you know that, you know, typically they're looking for 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: a little bit more experience by a certain age. I'm 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: just I'm not saying demure, I'm not getting on you. 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out some things that would concern me. 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: So I honestly, because career is where manny shines, I'm 65 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: really curious about her advice with these kind of things 66 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: that are kind of like and also too, I wonder 67 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: what kind of quiet firing her boss has been trying 68 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: to do. I'm like, what that kind of. 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: Looks since two months into the role. Yeah, I mean 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: my first question is are you really bad at your job? Like? 71 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: Are there things you could work on? It's maybe a 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: nicer way to. 73 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: Be many said what the hell of around here? 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: There's something that Demir is not saying worked mostly tempt jobs, 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: didn't stay at very long. It's in the fact that 76 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: you're newer to Salesforce. I mean that gives me a 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: little bit of hope because the thing is, like Salesforce 78 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: is it's the technology that powers so many companies out there. 79 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: It's a very it is like a very broad sort 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: of specialty to have, but it does take experience and 81 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if, like what kind of training, what kind 82 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: of additional certifications can you get through Salesforce to be 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: more valuable to the teams that you're joining. And Yeah, 84 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: with this, I wouldn't give up, Like I think with 85 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: this pay and with the benefits that you're getting, I 86 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: don't want you to give up. I don't want you 87 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: to let your boss quiet fire you. I want you 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: to use this as a wake up call and get 89 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: your ish together, because going back onto the job market, 90 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: especially if they're going if it's from being fired, like 91 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: actually fired, it's going to put you in a place 92 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: of yeah, desperation in like lowercase D desperation. I don't 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: know if you have savings or whatever, but in the 94 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: sense that like you're not the power is not in 95 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: your hands, Like you don't have that much power when 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: you are on the job market and you've just been 97 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: let go. I think you have a lot more power 98 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: where you are right now. But I need you to 99 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: not let your boss quiet fire you, but like get 100 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: with your boss and try to be very open minded. 101 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: And again, I don't know anything about the dynamics. Maybe 102 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: they're terrible, maybe they're treating horribly. I do not know. 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: But on the off chance that it's a skills gap 104 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: situation where you're just not meeting the expectations that they 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: have for the role, I'm going to need you to 106 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: like get clear from your boss what you can do 107 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: to improve, and then do what you can to improve 108 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: and make sure there's a record of that. And I want. Yeah, 109 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: that's the first piece of advice. The second thing is 110 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: I would definitely be job searching before you are fired. 111 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: And it's always, like I said, it's always better to 112 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: be job searching while you are employed. You're not as 113 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: you don't have that I almost said stench, but again harsh, 114 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: you don't have that. 115 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 3: Like there is an air about like an aura, a vibe, 116 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 3: a vibe. 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: Yes, the mule we try to get to the gather girl, 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: but not gave you too hard, unhinged. 119 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: Maybe you should stop sucking so much, and maybe you 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: start stop stinking of failure. Okay, but the air about you, Yes, 121 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: the air about you when you are trying to explain 122 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: why your resume has shown mostly temp jobs in the 123 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: most recent job was only five months. Like that is 124 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: giving red flags to the recruiter. It's giving you. It's 125 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: a lot to explain, and unless you're really good at 126 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: telling that story and spinning it in a way that 127 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: helps the interviewer overlook that, it's just a big it's 128 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: a big hurdle to overcome, it's a little bit easier. 129 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they still won't have paused because 130 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: you are job searching just after a few months of 131 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: working there. But at least you can say that there 132 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: are things that you've realized, you know, once you've come 133 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: on board, that have you know that the scope of 134 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: the role has changed, or management has changed, there's been 135 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: some sort of change, like you can quickly explain that, 136 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: But don't spend a lot of time sort of dragging 137 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: your current employer you want to. Like, my advice is 138 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: always to focus on what you're most attracted to working 139 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: for the company that you're applying for, Like, make it 140 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: about them, not about your ex or you're soon to 141 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: be X, just so that they don't leave you. Don't 142 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: leave them with the sense that, oh, this this person. 143 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: If they ever do quit, they're going to be talking 144 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: crap about us. You know in a future interview. You 145 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: don't want that kind of impression when you are interviewing. 146 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: So job transition advice is to try to make this work. 147 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't. I also think that sometimes people are too 148 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: quick to quit or walk away when things get tough. 149 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: I think that and I'm speaking generally now because demure, 150 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: I don't know much. I don't have that many details 151 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: about your situation, but I have had to talk to 152 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: people who are like I'm done with this. Da da 153 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: da da da, And I'm like, well, really, like, let's 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: actually look at the situation and have some tough conversations 155 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: because a lot of people, like a lot of us, 156 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: are not exactly like experienced in understanding how to ask 157 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: for feedback, how to get feedback, how to ask for 158 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: what we need to do our jobs more productively. That 159 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: could actually solve some of our issues. And I'm those 160 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: tough conversations they just take practice, and they take a 161 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: little bit of coaching sometimes, which is what I'm here for. 162 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: But uh, that's a tough situation. Demure. I hope that 163 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: everything goes well. We need updates, I need more info, 164 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: but big, big picture, look for a job while you're employed. 165 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: It's always better. And two, if you're going to be 166 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: job hopping and going into an interview, just own it. 167 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: But have a story. You need to You need to 168 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: be able to piece together the story of why you've 169 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: been making these decisions to put them at ease and 170 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: to eliminate any objections they have. And even a referral 171 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: or like a personal connection to a place where you're 172 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 2: going to be working can help you get over that 173 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: hump of Okay, it's kind of like a secured credit card, 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: like where you put a little deposit down and they're 175 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: willing to give you a little bit of credit even 176 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: if your history is poor. Like that can be a 177 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: reference or a referral from someone who has worked with you. 178 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: But best of luck to. 179 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Mere Yeah, and keep it keep see, keep in mindful. 180 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike my tough advice to take it now, it's necessary. 181 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: It's necessary. We're going to take a quick break and 182 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: to come back. We's got another a juicy question, like 183 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: I said, if you have questions to ask us, like 184 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: although it's not legal advice switching, not just a little 185 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: something something. All right, we'll be right back and we're 186 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: back and blacker than ever. You gotta have a second 187 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: question on Mandra I will read it. Okay, this is 188 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: from Esmerelda. Okay, remember Hunchback of Notre Dame. But Disney movie. 189 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: It was not that great anyway, but as Morelda was 190 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: the part that Demi Moore played. 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 2: What I just sorry I was I thought I was 192 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 2: gonna sneeze. What are you talking about? 193 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: No, I said, remember the Hunchback of Notre Dame. It 194 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: was a Disney I mean it's a real thing. But 195 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: also it was a Disney movie. They had turned it 196 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: into a Disney movie, do you remember? And so anyway, 197 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: as Morelda was like the character that Demi Moore played. 198 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: She was like a gypsy. Anyway, I don't know. I'm 199 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: just saying this. This lady's name is as Moreldo. As 200 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: Morelda hit us up on She said, hello, I've got 201 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: a question for Baqa. Please keep me anonymous or called 202 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: me as Merelda, and I'm saying we call you as 203 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: more of the girl. Evarella said, I worked for a 204 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: bank and recently received a reduction in force noticed due 205 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: to my location. I was given sixty days to find 206 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: another internal role as the bank is focusing on other 207 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: cities for their hubs. I was never asked to move. 208 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: They have asked me to sign a release, a release 209 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: of claims to get a severance package. What does that mean? 210 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: A release of claims. 211 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: Basically like we it's where you agree that you won't 212 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: try to claim that they owe you more money or 213 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: that you know it would use wrongful termination. Like basically 214 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: what you can't you take away your power to sue 215 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: them or you know, further any negotiations and that in 216 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: exchange for that, you will get some severance. 217 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Okay, she said, I have several questions. Can you explain 218 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: what a release of claims for health anyway? What a 219 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: relation of wims for a sefference package? Meetings at a 220 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: high level done Before getting the reduction in force, I 221 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: was planning on taking a short term disability leave, but 222 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: delayed it and now regret not doing so sooner. However, 223 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: I did end up submitting a claim and it got 224 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: approved just before my termination date, so at least I 225 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: don't have to work during this period and still get 226 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: one hundred percent salary. I applied for an internal role 227 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: before getting the release of the reduction in force and 228 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: had an interview that went really well. If I get 229 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: an offer, I can stay with the company. My question 230 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: is how can I try to negotiate for a higher 231 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: salary given my situation. I realized I don't have much leverage, 232 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: but I am considering leaving the company because I have 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: enough savings to cover me for months and I need 234 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: to focus on my health. This is a lot to process. 235 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: Any thoughts and advice are greatly appreciated. You two are 236 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: the best who. 237 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this is well, there's a lot going on here, 238 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,479 Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you were able to take advantage 239 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: of your disability leave, even if it's not probably as 240 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: much time as you wanted. Like you said, you have 241 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: sixty days, so some chunk of that you're going to 242 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 2: be able to take your leave, and then I hope 243 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: you can focus on your mental health. I'm excited to 244 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: hear that. I'm happy and relieved to hear that you 245 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: do have some savings to cover you for several months 246 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: in the event that you just want to focus on 247 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: your health, which it sounds like you might, you know, 248 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: need to, and that perhaps this is like a bit 249 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: of a blessing in disguise that this has happened. But 250 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: that being said, like if we take a part, if 251 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: you take away the need for like disability leave from 252 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: mental health leave just in general, like the whole like 253 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: we're going to fire you in sixty days, so like 254 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: here you go do your best work for us still 255 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: because we can like still fire you. And by the way, 256 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: like sign this release form, like I just it's annoying. 257 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: I mean, in some ways it's nice to get a 258 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: heads up, right. A common complaint for people who are 259 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: let go is that it's like, Okay, tomorrow's your last day. 260 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: Today's your last day. You got to go, And if 261 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: you don't have any severance payment on top of that, 262 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: it's like a huge slap in the face. So I 263 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: would look really closely at your severance package. As a 264 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: career coach, I love reading severance agreements. There's a lot 265 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: to pick apart in a severance package. You want to 266 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: look for things like non compete, Like you know, typically 267 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: they'll have some language in there about whether or not 268 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: they will have an issue if you move on to 269 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: work for a competitor. It typically more applies to like 270 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: senior positions, but not saying it doesn't exist. So I 271 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: would look out for that. I would look out for 272 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: what happens with your benefits, Like you'll want to figure 273 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: out your Cobra benefits and in your case, like even 274 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: if you decide to take some time off in between roles, 275 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: like having that healthcare coverage will be necessary for you, 276 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: it sounds like, so you want to figure out when 277 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: that all goes into effect and how much it's going 278 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: to cost you to continue your benefits moving forward through Cobra. 279 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: Any Like if you have any equity in the company, 280 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: any unvested stock, Like what happens to that? Are you 281 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: forfeiting it? Can you exercise any stock options or sell 282 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: any RSUs before? What will happen to that those benefits? 283 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: If you do not, what will happen to your four 284 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: to one K contributions? Any company matching? That'll all that 285 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: should all be covered in your severance agreement. Let me 286 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: see you can negotiate your severance like if if yeah, 287 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: I mean for sure, Like there's always a case be made, like, 288 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: especially if their severence package doesn't fall in line with 289 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: like industry standards, you can do. If it's a pretty 290 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: big bank, then it's very likely that there are news 291 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: reports of severance packages at similarly sized financial institutions. And 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: I have helped even my brother, you know, make a 293 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: case for more severance. And in his case, I was like, 294 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: be sure to compare comparable sized companies in the industry 295 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: and what their severance was. 296 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: How do you find it? 297 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: So news reports are really helpful. Also, sometimes if it's 298 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: a public company, they have to put that kind of 299 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: information into their quarterly earnings reports. Okay, so you may 300 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: find yeah, but typically it's a lot easier to do 301 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: if you work for a company that is like being 302 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: reported on by you know, business Insider, by Bloomberg, by Reuters, 303 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: whatever these like news sites are. But if in the 304 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: event that you're not, Like my brother worked for a 305 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: smaller sort of startup. It was less than fifty employees, 306 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: and he collected information from like peers, So he had 307 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: friends working at other companies like that he'd met through 308 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: his work that he could check in with and ask 309 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: because at the time this was like the great tech 310 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: layoffs of twenty twenty three or yeah, twenty twenty three 311 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: that he was impacted by. There, unfortunately, were other layoffs 312 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: that he could compare himself to. Well else, can I say, 313 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: oh so the internal role? Okay, so how can you 314 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: negotiate for an internal role a higher salary given your situation? Well, 315 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 2: it's a reduction in force, so hopefully like that it 316 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: doesn't reflect on and it sounds like it's location based, 317 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't probably reflect on your particular like 318 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: job skills or your contributions. So I would I wouldn't 319 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: let that, you know, get you down, Like, I don't 320 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: even know if at an internal level is the company 321 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: so big does do they even know about this production 322 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: in force? Or is it just impacting your team. Sometimes 323 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: companies are so big and so global you don't know 324 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: what's happening in like you know, Tucson's office, versus what's 325 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: happening in like Boston's office. Like it can all be 326 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: very like siloed, So that will depend. And if it's 327 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: the case that they are not that aware of it, 328 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: like I wouldn't highlight it for sure, But always, the 329 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: best way to negotiate for a higher salary, including this situation, 330 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: is to be looking for other opportunities so you can 331 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: potentially have competing offers. Clearly, your current company, like your 332 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: current salary, isn't as much of a competitive like a 333 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: competing offer because you both have an expiration date on 334 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: when that salary is going to be over. But if 335 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: you're able to go out in the job market, do 336 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: some interviews, you don't even need like a hard offer letter, 337 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: but at least the ability to say that I am 338 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: in talks with a couple, excuse me, one or two 339 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: other companies and their compensation packages they start at X 340 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: amount of money. That can give you a jumping off 341 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: point for a negotiation. Doesn't mean that it's going to 342 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: be successful, but that's always my go to tip is 343 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: the best thing you can do is to get competing offers. 344 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: And if this sounds way too exhausting for you and 345 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: you just want some time off, and I would say 346 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 2: use those savings, that's what it's for, but obviously have 347 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: a bounce back plan from when you want to get 348 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: back in the job market. 349 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think like Harod being on disability for 350 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: a little while is going to help it's going to 351 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: hurt her own chances in the market. 352 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: Well nobody. Well, I mean, you can spend your disability 353 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: what however you want, like I got. I have definitely 354 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: had mandy money makers who have taken advantage of like 355 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: taking a short term mental health leave, medical leave, whatever, 356 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: because they got approved by their mental health practitioner. And 357 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like put like I don't think 358 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: she even said it was mental health related, or maybe 359 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: she should, I forget. But anyway, but then you can 360 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: do with that time what you want to do. So 361 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: it can be job searching, it can be you know, 362 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: laying around and just getting some good sleep and talking 363 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: to your doctors and all of that. But no, it 364 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: shouldn't necessarily hurt I mean, I wouldn't go out of 365 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: your way to mention that in a job interview. You 366 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: can just say, you know, I'm taking a bit of 367 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: a break right now to like, you know, sus out 368 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: my options and I plan to you know, make a 369 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: make a move here soon. And it's again about owning 370 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: the narrative, like just own the story. Like I worked 371 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: here for X number of years and I realized that 372 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 2: I needed to spend some more time focusing on X, 373 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: Y Z and I'm but at the same time, I'm 374 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: very excited about what I could contribute to your company 375 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: and what I can bring to the role. And just 376 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: kind of say it with your full chest and don't 377 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: apologize for it. Just own it and that can go 378 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: a long way. 379 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you've got questions that the answers as 380 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: reallyast to career, business, entrepreneurship and money, honey, the b 381 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: a q A has got you. 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