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Speaker 1: We're wide. Everybody's feeling good today? Howbody are really good today? Now?
Speaker 1: I came out to slopes man Tows in Mexico. I
Speaker 1: wasn't man, um, it was very good. Now. I did
Speaker 1: not get out there scheme kids did? Kids are good? Man?
Speaker 1: My kids are good. Um. I had to finish my
Speaker 1: paper for school, but got done, got done. But beautiful, man,
Speaker 1: I love, I love just the scene of it. Everything
Speaker 1: was cool, Everything was cool. And then just sitting here
Speaker 1: doing a paper band. Oh oh man, you needed a vacation.
Speaker 1: Vacation has done you good. Energy hopped in here. Brandy
Speaker 1: Cooks is here. So I see I was one of
Speaker 1: those people. Was all I did not the conversations about.
Speaker 1: I don't Chris, I can't say his name because but
Speaker 1: but a particular receiver that people were wanting. I did
Speaker 1: not want this particular receiver, even though this particular receiver
Speaker 1: had a very good career. I'm looking at no. No.
Speaker 1: When I saw Cooks, I'm like, Yes, Cooks was the
Speaker 1: guy that they were trying that the Cowboys talked about getting.
Speaker 1: Houston apparently wanted the third didn't work out. Cooks was upset.
Speaker 1: Cooks wanted to be here. Yes, okay, Brandy Cooks wanted
Speaker 1: to be here. And the Cowboys make the trade for
Speaker 1: five and six eight million dollars salaries. Some people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh wait, Jerry Stephen went you go, well, we need
Speaker 1: you to pay six He used to set fine. So
Speaker 1: now it's twelve million dollars for a speed guy who's
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards for forty different clubs. And I
Speaker 1: said to myself, I know, heck, my Harrison is down
Speaker 1: with that dude. Well, I want to think about Houston.
Speaker 1: I want to say they have mastered the art of
Speaker 1: making a bad deal because they had the better deal
Speaker 1: last year. How do you fumble that? All right? And
Speaker 1: then this year plus you have to pay you know,
Speaker 1: six million on top of that. I think it's I
Speaker 1: thought it was a good deal. I thought it was
Speaker 1: one we should have pursued last season, but obviously that happened.
Speaker 1: I think he's the kind of player for Dak. The
Speaker 1: speedy guy, the guy that can create a large zone
Speaker 1: for Dak to throw into. A guy that's been in
Speaker 1: the league for a long time, that's just twenty nine
Speaker 1: years old, and so you think about him in his
Speaker 1: career and the type of quarterbacks that he's played for.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna fit in here nicely. The great
Speaker 1: mystery is going to be how does because this is
Speaker 1: a revamped offense. If if I'm thinking Kelly Moore's offense,
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking okay, vertical, there is that we don't
Speaker 1: know how Mike McCarthy is going to use him in
Speaker 1: a traditional West Coast offense that he's run. But I
Speaker 1: think Brandon Cooks was definitely the right decision. I think
Speaker 1: that there's still even more decisions that can be made
Speaker 1: in the wide receiver room. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: done yet, and I'm talking about via the draft or
Speaker 1: or free agency. Look, I think it was I think
Speaker 1: it was an extremely good acquisition to get Cooks because
Speaker 1: if you look at it, that Trio receivers right now,
Speaker 1: they have pretty much every box checked out there. You
Speaker 1: got the mister doo it all, mister do everything in
Speaker 1: cde Land. He can be that underneath guy. He can
Speaker 1: be that jet sweep, he can be that guy in
Speaker 1: third down clutch situations. You got Michael Gallups where I
Speaker 1: think he'll get He'll improve from last year. I mean
Speaker 1: he's coming off that acl You know, it always takes
Speaker 1: like a year to get back to yourself. So I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna improve from last year. And he could
Speaker 1: be a physical, you know, fifty fifty ball type guy,
Speaker 1: kind of go up there, kind of be that possession guy.
Speaker 1: And then you got your ticket off the top receiver
Speaker 1: in Brandon Coles that you just said, that speed, that
Speaker 1: burner mentality out there. He can open things up for
Speaker 1: these other receivers out there, all those underneath guys. So
Speaker 1: I think it was a great acquisition. And most importantly, man,
Speaker 1: this this guy's been consistent. If you look at his
Speaker 1: whole career, six of his nine years eight years in
Speaker 1: the league, has gone over a thousand yards with multiple quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So it's not like he you know, he had a
Speaker 1: great guy out there the entire time to throw the
Speaker 1: ball too. He had a thousand yards with Davis Mills.
Speaker 1: I mean, so this guy is consistent out there, and
Speaker 1: he can bring something to that wide receiver room that
Speaker 1: they haven't had in a long time, kind of be
Speaker 1: that father figure out there. So I love the acquisition,
Speaker 1: love it. I love it how he and Davis Mills.
Speaker 1: I know what that means. That's why I say he
Speaker 1: gonna fit in nicely here with what he's hell and
Speaker 1: then and then I take it a step further BC.
Speaker 1: I look at it like this, what if Brandon Cooks
Speaker 1: just took the reps that Noah Brown got? Yeah? What switch?
Speaker 1: You know? But what I'm saying, like, think about the
Speaker 1: rep that the Jacksonville game, all the games where when
Speaker 1: the Chips were down nor Brown was getting those opportunities
Speaker 1: to come up big ceedee Lamb was not. You get
Speaker 1: a bona fide We needed this, A playmaker, a guy
Speaker 1: that has a pedigree, a champion. I mean, you get
Speaker 1: all of that from from I love the acquisition, but again,
Speaker 1: I say the same thing. I don't think that they're
Speaker 1: done the way that they jumped out there and made
Speaker 1: this one. I think there are plenty more that's on
Speaker 1: the horizon. Okay, So let me put this to you
Speaker 1: and never waiting to get it. You're you're safety in
Speaker 1: the league. You got Cooks, Lamb Gallop. What are you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: As a safety? It makes it extremely hard because you know,
Speaker 1: get the last line of defense out there in the secondary,
Speaker 1: especially if you're you know, like I'm the league Cooker
Speaker 1: type guy who patrols the back end. You always gotta
Speaker 1: have to be on top of that speed receiver. You
Speaker 1: can't let anything get over your head. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: always be aware of where um Bredon Cooks is gonna
Speaker 1: be at in THEE. So if he's in a slotheart man,
Speaker 1: let me focus over here. That leaves those other guys,
Speaker 1: you know, basically one on one out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: because if you do try to double team them, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to double one with a linebacker, and both
Speaker 1: of those wide receivers Gallop and CD Lamp can run
Speaker 1: by a linebackers. So to me, it's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna put a bind on safeties out there, especially if
Speaker 1: they use Cooks as a vertical threat out there, because
Speaker 1: he has this b to be able to burn buy
Speaker 1: secondaries out there. So it put safeties in a bind.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to put maybe even two safeties back deep.
Speaker 1: And we know what that does for the running game.
Speaker 1: It opens up the box for a pillar whoever else
Speaker 1: is gonna be running the football out there. So it
Speaker 1: creates a dynamic offensively where you can put defenses in
Speaker 1: an extreme bind and hopefully they can take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: And it lists your tight ends eat. Yes, your tight
Speaker 1: ends eat. And I think for Dak Prescott in his
Speaker 1: production that he had last season and seasons before, he's
Speaker 1: gonna allow for the tight end to eat. And we
Speaker 1: have two very good young tight ends in the system.
Speaker 1: And just as you just stated, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: the same way. The speed on the outside changes the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. And if we can play that
Speaker 1: chess match with defensive coordinators where they don't know who
Speaker 1: is the read for offer for Dak Prescott. So look,
Speaker 1: the one thing that I'm still looking at and still
Speaker 1: have some concerns is obviously in the running game. Um
Speaker 1: wait no, but I think what he was just saying
Speaker 1: about how Brandon cooks and his what he's stretching out.
Speaker 1: It opens it up for the running game, and there's
Speaker 1: my concern right there. Can we take advantage of it?
Speaker 1: So I'm looking right now, just right now for you,
Speaker 1: for you guys, are you fine with your receiving corps
Speaker 1: or is there anything else you feel you need at
Speaker 1: that just the wide receiver position. I still man look
Speaker 1: last year. I go back to what Ceede Lamb did
Speaker 1: last year. It took him maybe five or six games
Speaker 1: to warm up, and I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: had to do with the fact that Dak wasn't there.
Speaker 1: They didn't have much of a preseason to work with
Speaker 1: one another, and so I think it took them a
Speaker 1: long time to get started. I'm still wondering where Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup is and what's going to be Brandon Cook's impact.
Speaker 1: I just believe that there are other playmakers still out
Speaker 1: there to be had. I think they're maybe playmakers in
Speaker 1: the in the draft still to be had. So I'm
Speaker 1: wondering what they're gonna do. What you know, what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Because we ended the season saying Dak needs weapons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like that's what they're trying to do, is
Speaker 1: get him weapons. We got rid of some guys, but
Speaker 1: we definitely brought in someone. And I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're done. That's why I keep reiterating that, because we
Speaker 1: know what Dak needs. Yeah, I would love to have
Speaker 1: just a little bit more depth pieces out there. You know, nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, spectacular nothing, you know, oh my goodness, grabbing headlines.
Speaker 1: But we need death because like you said, you know,
Speaker 1: one injury away and then we have, you know, semi
Speaker 1: for Hoko or Jalens Holbert having to come in and
Speaker 1: we all know, no disrespect to those guys, but we
Speaker 1: know they're not the player that can, you know, take
Speaker 1: this offense to the next level. So I would like
Speaker 1: to have some death pieces in there, just some more
Speaker 1: options for Dak Prescott to have out there and spread
Speaker 1: the football around. But again, those young tight ends could
Speaker 1: be that fourth option as well. So I would like
Speaker 1: more death pieces. But like I said, this close acquisition
Speaker 1: to me, I feel like it's a it's a home run. Okay,
Speaker 1: So trying to be nice at I say this disrespect,
Speaker 1: but no disrespect, but disrespect. It was a rough year
Speaker 1: for Jalen Tilburt last year and they tell you that
Speaker 1: the biggest growth a player has is from year one
Speaker 1: year two. Terrence Steele a very good good you know,
Speaker 1: well we saw him. You know they played a lot
Speaker 1: as a rookie, was rough. Second year man, he got
Speaker 1: the program offseason, lifted weights, took it serious. Band. You know,
Speaker 1: we see what he is now a starting football player.
Speaker 1: What's our hope for Jalen Tilbert Now that you have
Speaker 1: a pro bowler and Cedee Lamb a veteran and Brandon
Speaker 1: Cook who's been a Pro bowler and played in two
Speaker 1: Super Bowls? Um, how can they grow this young man up?
Speaker 1: To me? You know, he needs to focus more on
Speaker 1: other aspects of the game because if you look at it, well,
Speaker 1: how did know a brown stick around so long? He
Speaker 1: was on special teams making an impact out there. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who's a top one hundred pig
Speaker 1: and he wasn't suiting up like you're not. You can't
Speaker 1: make the ball club on special teams. I mean that's
Speaker 1: extremely difficult. And you're already talking about I can contribute
Speaker 1: to this wide receiver room. No, we need you to
Speaker 1: contribute to this team overall. And for him to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, I think he needs to step
Speaker 1: up and can become better as a special teams player
Speaker 1: to show his value to this team and then start
Speaker 1: to work into the offense. But if you're not even
Speaker 1: playing special teams as you know, as a third round
Speaker 1: pick coming in, you're not even suiting up, and that's
Speaker 1: not a good sign for me. That's not good sign
Speaker 1: at all. I appreciate the Cowboys saying, look, this isn't
Speaker 1: working out. Let's make something else shape, let's not keep,
Speaker 1: Let's not stay enamored with a player that the production
Speaker 1: isn't there. And I mean, come on, Barry, you say
Speaker 1: it perfectly about contributing in other areas. Obviously, he's never
Speaker 1: played any special teams. Did he do that at Southern Alabama?
Speaker 1: Did he do that? And you know, when it as
Speaker 1: far as his development as a as a football player,
Speaker 1: I think he's always been on the latter end of
Speaker 1: a guy that maybe we placed two high of an
Speaker 1: expectation on him coming in out of the you know,
Speaker 1: out of the draft. Um, it's unfortunate, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to battle uh this camp because I don't know
Speaker 1: if they you know, how do you keep all these guys,
Speaker 1: and especially if you have a guy that's not suiting
Speaker 1: up and a guy that can't contribute on special team.
Speaker 1: So this is a man, This is a great You
Speaker 1: gotta see if we get Will McClay one day. I
Speaker 1: hate him up. This is Will mc clay question. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk about the whole development of it. Gain like, okay,
Speaker 1: now that you and the staff if saw what happened
Speaker 1: and you know and they've admitted, okay, we probably put
Speaker 1: too much on him or expected more. How do you
Speaker 1: get the player to where he needs to be Because
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice's first year was not good. The national Football
Speaker 1: not comparing him or trying to say he's going to
Speaker 1: be Jerry Rice, Troy Palla Malo's first year with the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, it was it was some growing pains. So
Speaker 1: how do they view him and how do you get
Speaker 1: a young guy to realize this is different. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Jalen Tilbert bought his own hype. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he thought it would be as easy as
Speaker 1: it was in South Alabama. Clearly there's a jump him.
Speaker 1: A man wasn't ready. But I would say this, I
Speaker 1: don't want to give up on a guy after just
Speaker 1: one year, they say about three years, you will know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's two now today's accelerated in NFL. But then
Speaker 1: I just say, but you know, I'm kind of getting
Speaker 1: on the hopium training here. Come on, I got you.
Speaker 1: What if the player starts to realize what it takes
Speaker 1: to play at this level and reaches what they want.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about potentially four receivers who could help
Speaker 1: you in a seventeen game schedule. Guys are gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: You're going to need help in depth, which is kind
Speaker 1: of where I was getting to the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: you need depth. You're going to need more guys. So
Speaker 1: what are you gonna carry six receivers? If he's gonna
Speaker 1: be one of the guys is gonna get kept and
Speaker 1: potentially be on game day? What is where does he
Speaker 1: need to get to in his development? That's you know
Speaker 1: for me him, he needs it, he needs it? Can
Speaker 1: he beat that guy? Kenny? You don't give up on
Speaker 1: third round picks around here. They're not giving up on
Speaker 1: a third round pick. They're going to keep grinding away.
Speaker 1: But what if you talk old the pick, I mean
Speaker 1: just playing mean, what if you made it. What if
Speaker 1: you have a guy that can't get it in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it was, it had to be something
Speaker 1: mental with him in his development. It just didn't pan out.
Speaker 1: Oh and we saw so many games where he didn't
Speaker 1: dress out. That's wishful thinking. I mean, this is all
Speaker 1: of this heck is kind of dissecting of here's what
Speaker 1: you had out of the player year one, where do
Speaker 1: you go? I remember Josh Ball. They talked about him
Speaker 1: and just saying, hey, look, you know what we looked
Speaker 1: at him his first year because he had the shoulder injury,
Speaker 1: was kind of a red shirt, and so this year
Speaker 1: kind of all right, you know some ways his rookie year,
Speaker 1: and he's still learning because they remember that remember the
Speaker 1: game when a man was out here almost lost it
Speaker 1: at the right tackle. They went right, Dad going to
Speaker 1: Jason PM. I don't know what he whispered, Jesse Peoples
Speaker 1: have gotten the game. They ended up winning the game.
Speaker 1: But McCarthy's very good about talking about how, you know
Speaker 1: there is a development for guy. We look so so
Speaker 1: many times, we just want to look at the platfoom,
Speaker 1: that guy's ready to go. Everybody ain't like that. Everybody
Speaker 1: everybody ain't like that. Guys don't turn into Terence Williams's overnight.
Speaker 1: I mean, we think talk about development guys, more guys
Speaker 1: developing into the receivers. Uh that that you need him to.
Speaker 1: It's man, it's you don't have a crystal ball on
Speaker 1: this thing, and we need the death piece that you
Speaker 1: were talking about. And I'm thinking about guys like t
Speaker 1: Y Hilton that we bought in late in the season
Speaker 1: that may be your option. I'm saying, like, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate the front office not saying, look, we're gonna shoot
Speaker 1: this guy up and we just gotta we're gonna force it.
Speaker 1: We just gotta be right on this guy. He didn't
Speaker 1: have it at year one and does it. This is
Speaker 1: the critical juncture when they talk about the biggest growth
Speaker 1: you have to year one, a year two. After year one,
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele was not a guy many of us were
Speaker 1: high on. No. And now we look at Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: and I mean, first off, when I went to camp,
Speaker 1: he looked different. Okay, that second year when saw him
Speaker 1: ot in calf, he looked different. He put in the
Speaker 1: work and McCarthy spoke glowingly over and over about what
Speaker 1: he did to get himself better. Man, some people get
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith got it and we didn't think so coming
Speaker 1: out of Tulsa, but he pleasant surprise, Yeah he got it.
Speaker 1: So coaching is teaching, and lord knows, I'll never be
Speaker 1: a teacher, guys, but good teachers can figure out how
Speaker 1: does the student learn, what needs to do? What do
Speaker 1: they need to do to grow the student up? And
Speaker 1: how do you get They talk about what Tony Romo
Speaker 1: got here. You were here with Tony. You came in
Speaker 1: with Tony Man Tony was they had to change his
Speaker 1: throwing motion, Crispan was it was it, David Lee. They
Speaker 1: had worked with Tony under throwing motion year, Chris Bean,
Speaker 1: but you you had They had to work with Tony
Speaker 1: for a couple of years before he was ready to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, to me, it's just a telltale
Speaker 1: sign that when your special teams coach kind of wants
Speaker 1: nothing to do with you on his teams. I mean,
Speaker 1: usually those guys are solivating over to you know, let
Speaker 1: me get out, take anybody, let me get this guy,
Speaker 1: let me get when they're not willing to put you
Speaker 1: on the special teams that make you dress for the
Speaker 1: games to tell time man and did he did he
Speaker 1: eat the humble pie needed to eating the time? So
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what type of production are
Speaker 1: we now expecting from our fourth receiver with with Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks and and Gallup and ceedee lamb. What are the
Speaker 1: numbers that we're expecting? I mean, round numbers, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I would love it to be, you know, not as
Speaker 1: as good as Noah Brown was receiving the ball, but
Speaker 1: there's as an impact you know, maybe a catcher to
Speaker 1: a game special teams balling on every single one of them.
Speaker 1: That's what I think as a fourth wide receiver, at
Speaker 1: least that's when when we were when I was playing,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, that fourth wide receiver had to
Speaker 1: be a core special teams guy. And he would come
Speaker 1: in like Sam Hurd, he would come in and do
Speaker 1: another great name. He would come in and do his
Speaker 1: thing on our offense. You know, maybe one two catches
Speaker 1: here and there, but his main thing with special teams
Speaker 1: and contributing to the team and whichever way he could get.
Speaker 1: Will McClay yea, so we can help. Come on, let's
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Speaker 1: he felt about some of these acquisitions. So Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 1: we spoke about him in the first second. All of
Speaker 1: us or down, gave it a thumbs up with that pixel.
Speaker 1: We're all down with that. So yes, good trade. Before
Speaker 1: they got Cooks, they made the trade for Stepan Gilmore,
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Indianapolis, former Super Bowl winner with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: former NFL Defensive Player of the Year. And it's making
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Speaker 1: you put it next to Digs, Gilmore, Dicks, no Fitz,
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Speaker 1: Ye okay, nice job. This, in my opinion, is an upgrade.
Speaker 1: With all the doubt, I believe it's an upgrade. And
Speaker 1: as much as I like that Cook's acquisition, I'm in
Speaker 1: love with this one. I love this one because you
Speaker 1: look at Stefan Gilmour and not only is a great player,
Speaker 1: he's a prose pro. I mean, you never hear anything
Speaker 1: about Gammer. He goes out there, does his job, leaves.
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Speaker 1: still can play at a high level. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's a top three corner in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: but I give him top ten. He's top ten out there.
Speaker 1: He can play man, he can play zone. His football
Speaker 1: IQ is off the charts. And not only will he
Speaker 1: bring that play to the field for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have two book and corners out there
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Speaker 1: we can go sending the troops after this quarterback, but
Speaker 1: I think he can also teach Digs a thing or
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Speaker 1: the guests when to be on top of routes, when
Speaker 1: to be able to go in there and not take
Speaker 1: too many gambles. He can teach Digs the ropes and
Speaker 1: the little nuances of the cornerback position, similar to how
Speaker 1: te why did you know Ceedee Lamb last year? So
Speaker 1: I think this is an unbelievable acquisition. And like you said,
Speaker 1: they got him, you know eight whatever, eight nine million,
Speaker 1: under ten million dollars, which is an unbelievable thing for
Speaker 1: a guy that can still play at a high level.
Speaker 1: And you put him in dan Quinn's defense with that
Speaker 1: pass rush, quarterbacks are gonna have to throw the ball
Speaker 1: out quick and man, it's man. I love. I love
Speaker 1: the acquisition. Dog. I have nothing to add to what
Speaker 1: you just said because she said what needed to be
Speaker 1: sad VC Okay, I told you last week, man, I
Speaker 1: was so ticked off about the fact that we didn't
Speaker 1: sign Jalen Ramsey, that we didn't make that move. I
Speaker 1: thought that was something easy for us to do. We
Speaker 1: doubled down, We come right back, and what do we do.
Speaker 1: We bring out Steph fund Gilmore and I think we
Speaker 1: even up to Annie when it comes down to quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this league. One thing that I love about him is,
Speaker 1: like you said, he played in a system where he
Speaker 1: had to be multiple, So you know, dan Quinn is
Speaker 1: gonna challenge him also to be multiple this or what
Speaker 1: he does is he brings validd to a defense that's
Speaker 1: already pretty damn good. Yeah all right, So I think
Speaker 1: none of these guys are worried about, you know, the
Speaker 1: credibility that they get from everyone else. But they're right
Speaker 1: there on the peak and dan Quinn with dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: defense and strategy to being one of the top defenses.
Speaker 1: I think Stephan Gilmore is that guy that adds that
Speaker 1: piece because where do you go now? Exactly where do
Speaker 1: you go? Now? What do you do that same thing
Speaker 1: that we were talking about, what do you do against
Speaker 1: Brandon Brandon Cooks? What do how do teams try to
Speaker 1: exploit this defense? The only place you can go sometimes
Speaker 1: now is in the slot. We got some pretty good
Speaker 1: slot guys, especially if Jay Luke can come back healthy.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we just have options. I love it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love this, but I still think, as Danny
Speaker 1: mccraige mentioned before about our defensive line, we still have
Speaker 1: to be really good in this draft, and we still
Speaker 1: got to be thinking forward who's out there in free
Speaker 1: agency that we can bring in to shore up a
Speaker 1: defensive line that's already pretty good. Gilmore and Cooks played
Speaker 1: together on a Patriots Super Bowl team, and Cooks was
Speaker 1: traded to Los Angeles the next year, ended up playing
Speaker 1: the Patriots again, lost two Super Bowls in consecutive years.
Speaker 1: Gilmore ended up winning the Super Bowl with the Patriots
Speaker 1: when they when they played the Rams. By the way,
Speaker 1: Cooks had a good game for the Rams and that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and score a lot of points, but he
Speaker 1: had a good game. I say this to go back
Speaker 1: into a little bit of what you said before. You
Speaker 1: need some guys in that room who've played in that game,
Speaker 1: who know what it takes to get there. Gilmore's got
Speaker 1: a ring, and I do believe it's a whole different
Speaker 1: deal when you're talking to somebody like a Dig's, Hey,
Speaker 1: you want to be defensive Player of the Year. I
Speaker 1: want to win a Super Bowl. These are the things
Speaker 1: you need to do. Brandon Cooks to sit up here
Speaker 1: to talk to Lamb and maybe he's a guy who
Speaker 1: ends up with Tolbert. Hey man, you want to get here.
Speaker 1: This is what it takes. Coaches can coach all day long, Barry,
Speaker 1: you've played. It's just a little bit something different when
Speaker 1: you see it a peer, Oh, who's reached the levels
Speaker 1: you'd like to get to. It without a doubt that
Speaker 1: that peer conversation it's huge. I mean, as a young guy,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that kind of looked out for
Speaker 1: me and taught me the nuances of the game was
Speaker 1: gerald Sincin Ball and you know he's never been to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl or those highs of levels, but he
Speaker 1: let me understand how how the NFL game works. You
Speaker 1: know how tight ends like to release and when they
Speaker 1: go this way, you know this is where they're gonna
Speaker 1: pass the football. You know, you got to be smart
Speaker 1: about it. He always taught me that, you know, you
Speaker 1: may not be the fastest guy out there, because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was a four or five, four to six guy.
Speaker 1: But if you use your IQ and you study taping,
Speaker 1: you show how these offenses come out in their formations
Speaker 1: and where they like to go with the football, then
Speaker 1: you can beat the quarterback to where he wants to
Speaker 1: go to it. And a guy like since the Ball
Speaker 1: taught me a lot about the game growing up and
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, basically prolong with my career
Speaker 1: because I wasn't the fastest guy out there. So to
Speaker 1: have a veteran like these two guys have been to
Speaker 1: the upper echelons. One of his defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: the other guy's been to Super Bowls consecutive thousand yards seasons.
Speaker 1: They have nothing but knowledge, and I hope these young
Speaker 1: guys who are extremely talented Cdee Lamb did they're extremely talented.
Speaker 1: I hope they take this coaching not only from the
Speaker 1: coaches themselves, but from these veteran players that have come
Speaker 1: from the highest of levels. It can only help their
Speaker 1: game step up even further. And I don't think people
Speaker 1: recognize how young the Dallas Cowboys team is. You know,
Speaker 1: there's still a young team. And when you have when
Speaker 1: you bring a guy in like that, when I'm talking
Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmore, that I mean, that's that's like I said,
Speaker 1: that's validity. That's a guy that when he talks, you
Speaker 1: listen because you know he's been there, He's learned from
Speaker 1: some of the best in football. So you know, to me,
Speaker 1: I don't think that I've never got the impression that
Speaker 1: Diggs was one of these guys that needed leadership or
Speaker 1: needed someone. It's not like that. But I think I
Speaker 1: do believe iron sharpens iron, and when you have a
Speaker 1: jural sense of ball, somebody that takes you under his wing.
Speaker 1: Let's think about this. You come into the league meeting,
Speaker 1: you don't know anything. You need to know the nuances
Speaker 1: of everything that's going on on and off the field.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Trevon Diggs again, he has a
Speaker 1: big brother. That's already that in showing him the ropes,
Speaker 1: but his playmaking ability, his resume speaks for itself, and
Speaker 1: that to me, I mean dud, that is that's huge. Man.
Speaker 1: I go back to Maria Cooper. When Marie Cooper got
Speaker 1: in the room and was the lead dog as a
Speaker 1: receiver changed a lot. It was different than when Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant was there. Oh yeah. I am one of those
Speaker 1: people that believe leadership counts and it's a small detail
Speaker 1: when somebody else can say to you, came here, young fellow,
Speaker 1: this is what what needs to happen. Charles Haley was
Speaker 1: that kind of player when he came over from the
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers. He had two rings. I
Speaker 1: remember Super Bowl fifty two and the punk gets blocked
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are down in the game and Charles Haley,
Speaker 1: the NFL Mike's picked it up. He was talking with
Speaker 1: Bush David's like, hey, guys, Butch just trying to help us.
Speaker 1: He settled things down and we saw what happened the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and when ended up winning Super Bowl twenty seven,
Speaker 1: fifty two to seventeen. But it didn't start good for
Speaker 1: you need guys like that. I'm a big believer in
Speaker 1: bringing in dudes who have championship experience. I think it.
Speaker 1: I think it matters. Been there. Yeah, And once again McCarthy,
Speaker 1: he can only he can say so much. This is
Speaker 1: a different vibe. And as a dude in the room,
Speaker 1: who's with you that you came bullejide, you know, and
Speaker 1: they just teach you the way to paytriots did a
Speaker 1: great job with that. Rodney Harrison, that was some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that he did with some of stuff. We
Speaker 1: Llie mcginny, hey man, this is how we do it. Here.
Speaker 1: They catch young guys coming in with McDonald's. Hey man,
Speaker 1: we see you got McDonald's this third day in a row,
Speaker 1: I mean the third day in a row with you
Speaker 1: what are you doing? So they set the standard, and
Speaker 1: you know, Belichick is a great coach, but you needed
Speaker 1: dudes in the room. They could police it. Who could
Speaker 1: tell guys you're not meeting the standard. This is what
Speaker 1: we need. So I like these two acquisitions. Let's dive
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Speaker 1: come knocking at his door. Cowboys put the franchise tag
Speaker 1: on him last year made ten million dollars. The franchise
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Speaker 1: last year Dalton Schultz got the franchise tag as they
Speaker 1: tied end uh ten million bucks. I remember going to
Speaker 1: training camp. Boy. He spoke to us and he was
Speaker 1: not happy. So I'm gonna talk about this one time.
Speaker 1: Then later on he shut the media off. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk nobody. M The man was not happy that he
Speaker 1: didn't get a contract. Talk to somebody in the front
Speaker 1: office and they said, hey, we offered him. He didn't
Speaker 1: want it. Um, David and Joko got one of them
Speaker 1: little crazy deals from Cleveland. When he saw it when
Speaker 1: he's something man, he okay, but why are we people
Speaker 1: should not be coming close to Travis Kelsey money because
Speaker 1: they ain't Travis Kelce That's just my opinion. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were kind of like, hey, man, we like you,
Speaker 1: but we don't like you that much. They offered him
Speaker 1: a multiyear deal. He didn't take it, so played ten
Speaker 1: million dollars for one year. Now he's a free agent.
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing, not a thing. Nineteen well, let's hear
Speaker 1: from the guy that didn't fumble the bag. Oh sometimes
Speaker 1: it's Barkers dry up. You know, we talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: with the running back situation during the break and how
Speaker 1: you know these deals are in his high as we
Speaker 1: thought going into free agency, and Shultz to me, and
Speaker 1: I've said this from the beginning, you know, I think
Speaker 1: he's a good tight end out there. I just don't
Speaker 1: see him being as dynamic as a Kelsey, a kittle
Speaker 1: and a joke who those type of guys that are
Speaker 1: garnering that type of money. Because when you look at it, yes,
Speaker 1: he's an amazing fit with Dak Prescott, he's his security
Speaker 1: blanket out there. He understands how to get open versus
Speaker 1: zones and all that great stuff. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to blocking, when it becomes to being a multiple tool
Speaker 1: type tight end out there, he's not really that. You know,
Speaker 1: he struggles in the blocking game. If you split him
Speaker 1: out one on one versus a dB, I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure he can beat Matt consistently beat man to man
Speaker 1: coverage out there. Yeah he eats and zones, Yeah he
Speaker 1: eats against linebackers, but I don't see him as being
Speaker 1: that dynamic of a player to garner a contract in
Speaker 1: the ten million year a year range. And I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys seeing him is that, you know as well?
Speaker 1: So to me, you know, he took a bet on himself,
Speaker 1: He took a gamble on himself. And you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens, you know where he's gonna sign. But
Speaker 1: as of right now, it looks like it it dried
Speaker 1: up on him a little bit. Yeah, bet on himself
Speaker 1: and loss and the and and by the way, you
Speaker 1: have two rookies coming behind you that just flat out
Speaker 1: ball and also had you know, special team's impact as well. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the initial offer was from the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, but I would just guess that it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be what he ends up signing for anyway. UM.
Speaker 1: In the market itself, I think guys like Gasecki from Miami,
Speaker 1: I think he went to the Pattriots to go to
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I mean, and comparable as far as tight
Speaker 1: end talent in the way that you use them. So
Speaker 1: I just man, I feel bad for Dalton shows because
Speaker 1: and incentives in the contract gise again not ten million
Speaker 1: a year, And I think what happens in football is
Speaker 1: guys say, okay, I'm next up to sign, and they
Speaker 1: start using the market value of the top guys. You're
Speaker 1: not that, so you can't use that, you know, so
Speaker 1: you don't ever confuse him with the Kittle and Kelsey's
Speaker 1: of the league. But you know, as far as his
Speaker 1: importance in this offense, I think Dak tried to you,
Speaker 1: I mean, get his best out of him. I wish
Speaker 1: him nothing, but well, I don't know what the future
Speaker 1: is though for him right because I haven't. The scary
Speaker 1: part about Dalton shows is I haven't heard his name
Speaker 1: at all. So first off, that tells you what the
Speaker 1: market is. And add this to it, guys, they're talking
Speaker 1: about this being a deep class for tight ends in
Speaker 1: the draft, so you're not having to pay that kind
Speaker 1: of money to get in that type of player. It's
Speaker 1: so for Schultz, does he come back the way Lake
Speaker 1: Vanderesh did that two years ago? Were you on one year?
Speaker 1: You know? Five meal? But I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he got to pay five That's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if you got to pay him five.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean three, three and a half or
Speaker 1: some the sentence. I mean you're If you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you're in a good position. Then you know, if he
Speaker 1: was mad at ten million, you really wanted up in
Speaker 1: the building, mad making making half that he ain't talking
Speaker 1: to nobody. Wish he would, Oh we did that, but
Speaker 1: I ain't talking. I'm okay, okay, all right, he want
Speaker 1: to talk about the playoff? Loog okay. Fine. Um, but
Speaker 1: you've got Jake Ferguson, you got pender Shot. You may
Speaker 1: be able to go in the draft and say, okay,
Speaker 1: let us go find someone who's more of a blocking
Speaker 1: type tight end. I got two pass catchers. Let me
Speaker 1: go get find that guy who's more of a blocker
Speaker 1: than we could work with him on his hands. The Cowboys,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you guys tell me if you're wrong.
Speaker 1: This is a position they have mastered in taking in
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, you go back to Jason Winten. Jason
Speaker 1: winn was the third round pick solid Martella's Bennett. Second
Speaker 1: round pick with Martelli's Bennett. Anthony Passano had a nice career.
Speaker 1: He was a second round pick. Um Dalton Schultz. You
Speaker 1: drafted him on day three. You drafted uh Ferguson on
Speaker 1: day three. You got so so they know how to
Speaker 1: find this particular player. So when I look at Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz and it's nothing personal against him at all, they
Speaker 1: can find another Dalton Schultz and said I'm not that
Speaker 1: is not me taking a shot at him, and just
Speaker 1: in in today's NFL, you're gonna have to sit around
Speaker 1: here and just say, hey, certain guys, um we can
Speaker 1: save here. We know we gotta pay Digs. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay CD Lamb. We're gonna have to pay
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. You're gonna have to at some point in
Speaker 1: time address your center position, Tyler Beiannis and what you're
Speaker 1: doing right there. You're gonna have to renegotiate Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: So where do you find some savings here? Where do
Speaker 1: you say we'll go a little bit less here and
Speaker 1: try to get a player to match him, And tell
Speaker 1: tell Loona well coach him up right there, tight endspot
Speaker 1: Man and one of the best in London Welles and
Speaker 1: in the way that he's coached these guys up. But
Speaker 1: I just want to go back to what you were saying, Barry,
Speaker 1: about how Brandon Cooks changes this offense and how valuable
Speaker 1: the tight end can be. And also looking at the
Speaker 1: draft at how talented this tight end draft could be
Speaker 1: at twenty six. So this is a position for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting when you say, will Dalton, I don't
Speaker 1: think he could come back here for three and a half, Nah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think he
Speaker 1: could come back here. And especially if the Cowboys going
Speaker 1: to the draft and get a young tight end. And
Speaker 1: again I go back to Mike McCarthy and his offense.
Speaker 1: We know what he's going to demand from the tight
Speaker 1: end position. Is he willing to give that up? With
Speaker 1: Dalton shows because I think in the way you had
Speaker 1: to knowing that he wasn't the best blocking tight end
Speaker 1: you had in that room. McCarthy talked about it. We
Speaker 1: want to run the football, we want to become a
Speaker 1: team that's dominant in the trenches, and at the tight
Speaker 1: end position, you're gonna need a guy who can capture
Speaker 1: that edge, that can hold his own against defensive ends
Speaker 1: out there. And from what we've seen from Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: that's not you know, the priority of his game, that's
Speaker 1: not the top of his game is blocking. So you
Speaker 1: know he may not fit into this new McCarthy. You know,
Speaker 1: type of offense, so I can see them letting them ride. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so tell me this. If you're the player in
Speaker 1: the agent, so the first wave and free agencies come through,
Speaker 1: you didn't get caught, how long do you wait until
Speaker 1: you grab something? Yeah, in my opinion, you want to
Speaker 1: get out there before the draft because once the draft
Speaker 1: comes around, teams are gonna be filling up. Positions are
Speaker 1: gonna be filling up everywhere, and teams are gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll come back to you if somebody gets injured,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be waiting all offseason and
Speaker 1: once camp comes around, somebody gets hurt and you get
Speaker 1: thrown into the fire. You got to pick up that
Speaker 1: whole new offense. You got it right before the season starts.
Speaker 1: So to me, you want to at least be able
Speaker 1: to get in there before ota starts, so you can
Speaker 1: get a rapport with the quarterback, you can get a
Speaker 1: rapport with the team, understand their offense, and before all
Speaker 1: these spots get taken up by the draft. Man, that's
Speaker 1: a pickle. Yeah, even what's now, that's a pickle. And
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about the respect for Dalton shows in
Speaker 1: his game. Let's come on, now, he's He's not the
Speaker 1: guy that just Daltins showts gonna be out of the league.
Speaker 1: You know that's not gonna happen. Um. I just think
Speaker 1: he put himselves in a very unique situation by not
Speaker 1: taking the original deal that was off offered and having
Speaker 1: the cap. This is this is one of those examples
Speaker 1: where people hate the being having the tag placed on you.
Speaker 1: This is this is the when we say bet on yourself.
Speaker 1: He was he put that on himself, played under the tag,
Speaker 1: and now he's without a team and it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like other teams are interested in him. I go back
Speaker 1: to what you were saying about the draft, man, it's
Speaker 1: this a lot of talented tight end so places like uh,
Speaker 1: the Chargers, you know that that we think just because
Speaker 1: what if Kelly Moore has his his idea of a
Speaker 1: tight end and that may not even be a possibility
Speaker 1: for him. So look, it's just a unique situation to
Speaker 1: be in. All right, right before we go, let's let's
Speaker 1: go around here and just just get our thoughts. Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith contract reworked very favorable, a lot of incentives in there.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a good, good decision because
Speaker 1: if you look at it, he plays, he gets more
Speaker 1: money as he plays. So if he can play all sixteen,
Speaker 1: great d Max says, I can't believe they did this.
Speaker 1: Another thing is like, like you said, man, it's incentive
Speaker 1: last it's gonna be one of those. It was very
Speaker 1: favorable for the Cowboys and you bring him back and
Speaker 1: it's the Tyler Smith and Tyrant Smith show. So Tara
Speaker 1: squad left side, all right, Donovan Wilson re signed safety.
Speaker 1: I was I'm not gonna. I was surprised. I was surprised.
Speaker 1: If you though, I think he's a thumper, an enforcer,
Speaker 1: the type of guy that you want on your defense.
Speaker 1: But I was surprised at that deal. I was very surprised.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the contract, you break it down,
Speaker 1: I think it was two years guaranteed, thirteen and a
Speaker 1: half guaranteed. So it's solid. You bring that enforcer back
Speaker 1: and you know you got a solid secondary dimensional guys
Speaker 1: that played. He also has value for you on special teams.
Speaker 1: But obviously Dan Quinn loves that guy, love the way
Speaker 1: he competes. Vanderesh. That's another one I surprised me. I
Speaker 1: thought he would have a bigger market than he had
Speaker 1: out there. The Cowboys got him back on another friendly deal.
Speaker 1: I think it's what five a year, you know, two
Speaker 1: years eleven overall, So look, I think it's a It's
Speaker 1: a great place to have him. You know, he's one
Speaker 1: of those leaders of the defense, big tall guy in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. So yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: Quarterback Cooper Rush surprised he got his deal. Surprise that
Speaker 1: he stayed. I thought he would have more of a market,
Speaker 1: especially with the way that the quarterbacks were dropping all right,
Speaker 1: and then of course they signed O our guy, A C. C. J. Goodwin.
Speaker 1: He's back, so uh And the guy didn't talk about
Speaker 1: um was Ezekiel Elliott. And to me, I think it's
Speaker 1: real simple. We all on the show get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a great run when he was here, great run,
Speaker 1: but it just ended, and I wish him well. But
Speaker 1: I think they had to do what they had to do.
Speaker 1: We spoke about on the show. Yeah, when you see guy,
Speaker 1: I mean I was here when you know, they let
Speaker 1: you know the Marcus ware walk and then if the
Speaker 1: guy's like that, he known to walk somewhere else. I mean,
Speaker 1: anybody could get Yeah, Terrence snowman. I mean, it happens, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure he'll bounce back and land
Speaker 1: on his feet somewhere and you know, hopefully continue to
Speaker 1: have a positive impact on another team. And that's the
Speaker 1: sucky part about business, right there's a personal decision ends
Speaker 1: up having to be a business decision. You know how
Speaker 1: much the front office and the family loves Ezekiel Elliott
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