WEBVTT - Ep 282: The Lost Episode of Brown Ambition

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, we're brown ambishon.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey, hey, how's it going good.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I'm serving bedbun realists, what about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I am serving? I woke up

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<v Speaker 3>today and my house smelled like a swamp. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 3>Hurricane Ida. My Zenden has been tarnished by the swamp

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<v Speaker 3>waters of the Bronx River. But you know, we're very

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<v Speaker 3>blessed and fortunate that we didn't have a lot of damage.

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<v Speaker 3>So my heart goes out to I mean, just so

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<v Speaker 3>many family, even in my neighborhood. Somehowses flooded completely. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're very lucky. And you know, my heart

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<v Speaker 3>goes out to everyone who's dealing with a complete nightmare,

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<v Speaker 3>including to Nedda Bell.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Photographed, yeah, logo our artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you see like our Brown Ambition, like our

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<v Speaker 1>new Brown Ambition artwork or the one from before, or

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<v Speaker 1>any of my headshots, it's my friend. In the cover

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<v Speaker 1>of my book Get It with Money, it's my friend

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<v Speaker 1>Toanedda Bell, and she lives in New Jersey and her

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<v Speaker 1>basement just just flooded and she just lost so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just saw that she had posted her frustration

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<v Speaker 1>that she it looks like FEMA might not be servicing

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<v Speaker 1>Essex County where we live. So she's just really it's

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I'm gonna actually call her today, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just love and light to you. Toan Nedda,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine. I mean to your point, Mandy.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally it was like house by house, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>my house was fine, but the one across the street

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<v Speaker 1>they're pumping out like gallons and gallons and gallons of water.

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<v Speaker 3>So well to everyone recovering from the storm along the

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<v Speaker 3>East Coast and in the Gulf Coast for sure, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>listening in New Orleans, Mississippi, Alabama. Why did I say

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<v Speaker 3>New Orleans as if that's the entire state Louisiana, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>not hearts out. I hope you guys are recovering. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if anyone listening to the show has any

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<v Speaker 3>stories to share or wants to offer support to be

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<v Speaker 3>a listeners who may be a need, hit us up

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<v Speaker 3>Brown Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com, or you can

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<v Speaker 3>hit us up on ig We're at Brown Ambition Podcast

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<v Speaker 3>or brendambispodcast dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach cool.

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<v Speaker 4>So this makes a little specially specih.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is super special because we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>take y'all on a very special trip down memory lane.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right to have now. Last week, if you guys listened,

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't, go back and listen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an episode you don't want to miss.

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<v Speaker 3>But we mentioned that our first ever episode of Brown Ambition,

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually been eaten up and hidden away by the

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<v Speaker 3>podcasting gods somehow. You actually can't find it unless you

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<v Speaker 3>know exactly where to look. Our first ever episode actually

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<v Speaker 3>aired number fifteenth, two thousand and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, that's incorrect. Why did I get our own anniversary wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>It eventually hired twenty fifteen, Tiffany, which means we are

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<v Speaker 3>just coming up on our six year anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, we were such baby podcasters then, so y'all to celebrate,

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<v Speaker 1>me and Mandra dug deep, deep, deep into the archives

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<v Speaker 1>of the Internet to find our first episode. In y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not disappoint you get to hear baby Mandra

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<v Speaker 1>and me Tiffany talking about why we started this little

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<v Speaker 1>show to begin with, and what we hope and dream

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<v Speaker 1>we build together, this community, this beautiful ba fan that

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<v Speaker 1>we've come to love so much.

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<v Speaker 3>After you listen to our first ever episode stick around,

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<v Speaker 3>because after the break, we are also going to have

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<v Speaker 3>y'all listen to a throwback to one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 3>guests of twenty twenty, doctor Imani Walker, who you might

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<v Speaker 3>recognize from a little show called Bravos Married to Medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Mandra. Doctor Imani is a physician trained in general

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<v Speaker 1>adult psychiatry, and she joined us in the thick of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pandemonium last year to give us some solid tips

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<v Speaker 1>for staying sane during this quarantine.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a little rhyme, but not really.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it looks like we're all headed back to the

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<v Speaker 1>land of mass mandates in COVID quarantine, so we thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a good time to bring back doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Emani's tips for a refresher on how we can all

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<v Speaker 1>be kind to our bodies and minds and each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so deep wusaw breath, I think we need to

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<v Speaker 3>bring back that squiggly dreamy sequence music they use whenever

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<v Speaker 3>saved by the bell, Tiffany is saved by the bell

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<v Speaker 3>like a your generation thing or a mind generate.

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<v Speaker 4>I do know save by the bell.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, when they used to go to the

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<v Speaker 3>Max and they would like have the squiggly pink glittery

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<v Speaker 3>you know filter come over the screen and the violins

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<v Speaker 3>or the harp.

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<v Speaker 4>No, the harp would start chiming.

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<v Speaker 3>You knew it was a throwback episode, so we need

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<v Speaker 3>that music. BA fan, We hope you enjoy this throwback episode.

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<v Speaker 3>So Producer Sarah please cue dreamy music. Hey everyone, I'm Mandy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Tiffany and this is Brown Ambition.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been a reporter in New York City for five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, I'm a writer at Yahoo Finance. I write

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<v Speaker 3>about money, business, career, basically anything to do with the

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<v Speaker 3>world and.

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<v Speaker 4>How it impacts your wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am Tiffany, but much better known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Budget Lista and I'm a financial educator, bestselling author, speaker, teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>all things personal finance. Basically, on this podcast, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking about career, relationships, life and living in

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<v Speaker 1>this brown skin.

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<v Speaker 3>We work, we start businesses, we help one another. We

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<v Speaker 3>do everything we can to make a better life for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what Brown Ambition is all about. So here

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<v Speaker 3>are some topics you might hear us talk about on

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>How to deal with off this bullyes and microaggressions.

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<v Speaker 3>Coping with being the only one in the office.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how to get money for a new business even

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<v Speaker 1>when you have no idea what you're doing. Should you

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<v Speaker 1>care if people think you have resting bitch base?

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<v Speaker 2>Guilty?

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<v Speaker 3>What to do when by earns less.

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<v Speaker 2>Than you guilty guilty?

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<v Speaker 1>Whether or not we should use the word bay in

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<v Speaker 1>everyday conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a lot of thoughts about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys. We're going to start off the podcast by talking

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<v Speaker 3>about some buzzworthy headlines that are cropping up in our lives,

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<v Speaker 3>and we want to talk.

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<v Speaker 4>More about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Week's buzzworthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm excited about this one.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I know. I'm excited to have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of opinions about this, and so does the rest of America. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>so many opinions on how a young woman today decides

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<v Speaker 3>it's the right time to step into motherhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, baby limbo, baby limbo.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye, right, it's this. You know, I kind of came

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<v Speaker 3>up with this terminology for a story I did on

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<v Speaker 3>young people millennials eighteen up to their mid thirties who

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<v Speaker 3>are stuck between do I have this college debt, or

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<v Speaker 3>do you know, pay that off and focus on my

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<v Speaker 3>career or do I also have a baby or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what should come first? And honestly, it's such a difficult

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<v Speaker 3>question because mother nature doesn't wait for you to pay

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<v Speaker 3>off your student live debt. And I think that women

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<v Speaker 3>have to recognize that fact. And it's maybe not so

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable because you know, obviously we want to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>how much control we should have over our own bodies,

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<v Speaker 3>which is absolutely true. You should, you know, be your

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<v Speaker 3>own body's boss. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>like that clock is ticking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm thirty five and I turned thirty six in October,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not far away. And I mean, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it a lot because I am in a

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<v Speaker 1>serious relationship, me and my boyfriend Superman.

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<v Speaker 2>He already has a daughter. She's eight. She's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Day they a man with a daughter. That's some grown

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<v Speaker 3>up dating, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love it honestly because one, I'm at an

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<v Speaker 1>age now and because I work for myself, I realized

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily want a huge family. I came from

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<v Speaker 1>a family there was five girls. My mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>raised all five of us, and I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>I want a big family, but I at least think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I want at least one kid of

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<v Speaker 1>my own. I mean, according to my mom, I really

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<v Speaker 1>need to get on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of feel like that too.

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<v Speaker 1>My best friend just had a baby, and my sister

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<v Speaker 1>just had a baby, and so their babies are all

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<v Speaker 1>under a.

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<v Speaker 2>Year old, and so I've been like, yeah, a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes you're over you start to twenty a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little bit more so than I'm like, oh, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be thirty six, So when are you gonna make a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine had she made her choice at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six and had her baby at thirty seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I wish I would have started sooner, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I hear.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm afraid, yeah, sooner would be.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm twenty eight right now, and I feel like, am

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<v Speaker 3>I gonna regret not having a baby now? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but it seems like I just don't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Her reason for saying she wished she would have started

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<v Speaker 1>sooner is that she wished she really wants to have

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<v Speaker 1>a second and she doesn't know if she can. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>she can, So that's why I don't know that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a second. I mean, I would want

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<v Speaker 1>to have two kids, but between his one and my one,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, then it goes one plus one max

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<v Speaker 1>two for free. Yes, she's the bonus kid and so

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<v Speaker 1>and plus I do so much work and I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to And I know this might sound a little selfish,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to maintain my individual personality and maintaince

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<v Speaker 1>is okay, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think selfish would be more so having

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<v Speaker 1>ten kids and still wanting to fry around the country

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<v Speaker 1>and speak and teach. And you don't have enough time

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<v Speaker 1>for your children, So I don't want to spread myself

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<v Speaker 1>super thin.

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<v Speaker 3>Right mm hm, well, hopefully you just have one kid

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<v Speaker 3>to start.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well, my boyfriends are twins, so he is,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Jesus no, I'm like, yo, he told me. I

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<v Speaker 1>already like, so I'm aiming.

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<v Speaker 3>For Does that gene come from the mail line or

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<v Speaker 3>that I don't, which is more likely to go somebody?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody email us at Brown Ambition, yes and tell us

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<v Speaker 1>how exactly our twins formulated. Does that come from the

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<v Speaker 1>male line the female line?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it hereditary? Or is that like some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>random you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it skips a generation, so you might

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<v Speaker 3>be good. Okay, maybe you're If you have a daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>then she's got to worry.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're good, So so you say.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I come back to the next podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, so, y'all, I'm having twins, thanks Manny.

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<v Speaker 3>I can talk well, you know, I'm I'm twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't necessarily feel pressure to have a baby, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but I feel I guess that's not true. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>feel pressure from myself, Okay, I don't. I look at

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<v Speaker 3>puppies and I feel my my ovaries twins, like I

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<v Speaker 3>really want a puppy very badly. Babies not so much,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're cute. What I do feel is intense pressure

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<v Speaker 3>from you know, I'm dating. I've been dating my partner

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend for through over three years now, which is my

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<v Speaker 3>longest relationship. Okay, and you know, we live together and

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<v Speaker 3>we're kind of we're kind of playing it as we

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<v Speaker 3>you know by ear. His fan, however, is not waiting,

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<v Speaker 3>especially his mother. He comes from a very traditional, close

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<v Speaker 3>knit community and family. I guess it's not giving away

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<v Speaker 3>too much if I say he's Dominican. So I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>a mixed race relationship. And his mother is very Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>and very old school, and she is like the mother

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<v Speaker 3>of mothers. She lives to nurture her son's two sons.

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<v Speaker 3>They are school of rotten. But you know, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>her looking at me and wondering. Not just feel, but

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<v Speaker 3>I hear because she tells me, Mandy, Amanda, why why

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<v Speaker 3>no baby yet?

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>Her English isn't very good, but she can she gets

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<v Speaker 3>her point of where's the baby yet? Where it's been

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<v Speaker 3>three years? I asked her, you know, uh, don't you

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<v Speaker 3>want us to get married first, and get married and

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<v Speaker 3>do all that and you know the right order of events.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, no, just have a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Would this be her first grandchild?

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<v Speaker 4>This will be her first grandchild.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>What so how about you come from a family of

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<v Speaker 1>five girls and no one has kids. My mother every

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<v Speaker 1>day on the phone, so my my Nigerian name is Adoci.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother would call me and say, so adult, she's

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<v Speaker 1>still not mad. It still no baby. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>good morning, older no second oldest. So they're just like

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<v Speaker 1>so somebody the oldest is married and she's working on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm the second. The third is not married. The

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<v Speaker 1>forest is married and she just had a baby, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, whoa, and but just watching her, she's literally

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<v Speaker 1>like the milk machine. So she's only allowed to take

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<v Speaker 1>ten paces away from the baby before the milk machine

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<v Speaker 1>has to return and dispense milk.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean, it's not glamorous, and she's not like Blake

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<v Speaker 3>Lively taking selfies of herself, you know, breastfeeding and a

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<v Speaker 3>field of sunflowers is.

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<v Speaker 1>Straight beause honestly, she's like, I'm so tired. Her feet

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<v Speaker 1>are swollen, and she's just like, how can I My

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<v Speaker 1>mom is like, my mom is a nurse and her

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<v Speaker 1>my mom was telling her you need to put your

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<v Speaker 1>feet up. She's like, oh, when when I'm beating the

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<v Speaker 1>milk machine.

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<v Speaker 3>I work for a company, and obviously Y'allhoo has very

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<v Speaker 3>generous eternity and paternity benefit programs, which isn't the norm nationwide.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually America is one of the only developing nations

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't have a federally mandated paid maternity or paternity

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<v Speaker 3>lead law. But I'm lucky enough to work for Yahoo

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<v Speaker 3>and we have sixteen weeks off that's awesome, and dads

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<v Speaker 3>get eight weeks off and at least I know I

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<v Speaker 3>have that, Yeah, sort of if I'm still working, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have a baby to have that kind of cushion.

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<v Speaker 3>But can you talk about, like I'm curious as an

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<v Speaker 3>entrepreneur's self, you know, your own your own business, how

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<v Speaker 3>are you going to plan your leave?

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been like, honestly like kind of like planning

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<v Speaker 1>now because I'm going to be thirty six, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mentioned, and my boyfriend and I have been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about marriage and kids. So right now, the way

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<v Speaker 1>my business is is that I start off at zero

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<v Speaker 1>basically like every month, meaning like my income, I never

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going to come in. People would just email

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<v Speaker 1>me and call me and say we want you to

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<v Speaker 1>speak or teach or whatever. And so as a month

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<v Speaker 1>rolls on, I make money. I cannot do that and

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<v Speaker 1>the kid because one you know, I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>be home. I do a lot of speaking around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So that's a worry for me. So I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how am I going to make this work? So one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things I'm implementing is I'm looking for other

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<v Speaker 1>ways to make passive income. So I have two books

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<v Speaker 1>that do fairly well. I'm coming out with a children's

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<v Speaker 1>book hopefully that will boost up my income. In two

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<v Speaker 1>I'm launching this academy called the Live Richer Academy, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be like a monthly fee and you

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<v Speaker 1>can take classes on investing in business and all this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. And so the Live Richer Academy will

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<v Speaker 1>definitely help to put regular income into my stream without

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<v Speaker 1>me having to leave the house because I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to, at least not for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd love to hear what the BA audience has

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Tweet us at the BA Podcast. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find us on Facebook at Brown Ambition and you can

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<v Speaker 1>email us at Brownambitionpodcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know. Are you and Baby Limbo? What is

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<v Speaker 2>your story?

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<v Speaker 1>We'd love to hear it, maybe share it next time

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<v Speaker 1>we're on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank y'all so much for walking down memory lane.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so crazy to listen to ourselves six years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I used to get onto myself for not

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<v Speaker 3>ever journaling like I'm supposed to be doing. I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>writer or whatever, right, But then I remembered I have

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<v Speaker 3>got two hundred and eighty hours of journaling because every

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<v Speaker 3>episode it feels like we are just sharing what's happening

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<v Speaker 3>in our lives and in the world. So we've got

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<v Speaker 3>this little time capsule. It's really cool to look back

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<v Speaker 3>and to hear what we were going through just six

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<v Speaker 3>years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I love that we call like our husband's

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<v Speaker 1>not boyfriends, like our boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean like he might make it. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We've grown up so much.

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<v Speaker 3>So now it is time for the second half of

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<v Speaker 3>our throwback episode. Like we told you guys, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a special one. This is one of our favorite guests

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty doctor Imani Walker, as a trained physician

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<v Speaker 3>in general adult psychiatry. Doctor Imani was one of our

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<v Speaker 3>favorite guests because she joined us to talk about how

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<v Speaker 3>we could truly cope mentally, physically, health wise with all

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<v Speaker 3>that is happening while we were struggling with quarantine, and

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<v Speaker 3>now that we are heading back into the cold, cold,

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<v Speaker 3>falling winter season of twenty twenty one, it seems like

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<v Speaker 3>it just seems like deja vu. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>bring back doctor Aimani and hopefully y'all will benefit from

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<v Speaker 3>some of her tips on how we can just be

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit kinder and nicer to ourselves as we

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<v Speaker 3>finish out the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Cute let music, and we're back and browner. We have

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing, the beautiful, the intelligent, and the real doctor Amiani.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, now I like that, hire everybody and hie to

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<v Speaker 4>you guys. I like that, though, yes it is browner

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<v Speaker 4>just because I'm here. So so yeah, I'm totally like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so highed to like meet you guys virtually because

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<v Speaker 4>new normal. But yeah, like this is this is great.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm super happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>So doctor Amani, you have been a practicing psychiatrist for

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<v Speaker 3>how long?

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<v Speaker 4>Now let's see my I'm like looking at one of

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<v Speaker 4>my degrees on the wall in my office. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's all right. Sorry, Yeah, like that really wasn't a flex,

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<v Speaker 4>but I realize now it sounds like one of my degrees,

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<v Speaker 4>one of my four things on the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>You pay for them. Let's let's respect.

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<v Speaker 4>Well okay, I will, I will admit, like, honestly I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't pay for them. My parents did, right, So so

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<v Speaker 4>I actually spoke about my mom. I spoke to my

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<v Speaker 4>mom about this because we have a YouTube show. Actually

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<v Speaker 4>that we usually do it every Monday, so I have

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<v Speaker 4>to do that in a couple hours. But I never

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<v Speaker 4>let anyone know in school that I didn't receive financial

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<v Speaker 4>aid or that I had a scholarship. So I would

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<v Speaker 4>always memorize where the financial aid office was, because is

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the year, apparently you have to

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<v Speaker 4>do like your financial aid wrap up, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know anything about Like I've heard of loans like Stafford

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<v Speaker 4>loans and stuff, but that didn't apply to me. So

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<v Speaker 4>I would just memorize where the financial aid office was

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<v Speaker 4>because I didn't want people to know, you know, that

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<v Speaker 4>my basically my parents saved up for it. And I

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<v Speaker 4>did have a scholarship. My alma maters is Xavier University

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<v Speaker 4>in New Orleans, and I had an academic scholarship. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, I never My mother told me when I

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<v Speaker 4>was a senior in high school. She was like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you want to go to a school

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<v Speaker 4>in the Northeast, and I'd gotten into like Wesleyan and Vassar,

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<v Speaker 4>which is my mom's alma mater, she was like, you

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<v Speaker 4>can do that. But she like she was really really

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<v Speaker 4>adamant about me going to Xavier because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>be a doctor, and it's basically a black doctor factory

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<v Speaker 4>and has been for decades. So she was like, here's

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<v Speaker 4>the thing. We can pay for your college because it's

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<v Speaker 4>significantly cheaper, like was much much cheaper than Northeast, like

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<v Speaker 4>Ivy League suition. She was like, I can pay for

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<v Speaker 4>you a college, you can get a car, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>basically like you can be out here. But when but

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<v Speaker 4>if you go to a school in the Northeast, you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have to take out loans. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>well then no, I was like, I'm not doing that,

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<v Speaker 4>so my my. So basically that's what happened. So when

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<v Speaker 4>I would be at a college, like I said, at Xavier,

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<v Speaker 4>and then when I was in med school, I knew

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the majority of people that I knew who

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<v Speaker 4>were my med school class were on scholarship or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>received financial aid. But and I knew where the office was,

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<v Speaker 4>I knew the building, but I had just never been

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<v Speaker 4>in the office because it didn't apply to me. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that story and also how odd that you

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<v Speaker 3>were ashamed of something that was so amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it was, I mean, honestly, it wasn't that I

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<v Speaker 4>was fearful of anyone shaming me, And I wasn't. I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't ashamed of having like my friends know, like the

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<v Speaker 4>brown and black you know that I had. It was

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<v Speaker 4>more so like I was like, I don't want these

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<v Speaker 4>white people to know because then like it's like, oh so,

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<v Speaker 4>because the assumption is you're on financial aid when we

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<v Speaker 4>all know that white women benefit the most from you know,

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<v Speaker 4>affirmative action and in those types of scholarships, right or

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<v Speaker 4>those types of situations. I just didn't want to have

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<v Speaker 4>the conversation of like, Okay, you know, my parents are

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<v Speaker 4>very they're they're very what's the word I'm looking for.

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<v Speaker 4>They're very austere and that's what they taught me, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's what they taught like, you know, my cousins and

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<v Speaker 4>everybody else in my family. So I always saw money

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<v Speaker 4>as a tool and not something to just be spent,

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<v Speaker 4>and I guess I didn't want anybody to think that like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh so you think you'll all that. So I actually

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't admitted this to anybody outside of my circle

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<v Speaker 4>of friends. I don't think until like this year, because

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<v Speaker 4>I just didn't. I just didn't want I just didn't

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<v Speaker 4>want people to know. I'm like, if that's my personal business.

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<v Speaker 4>And then also the way I grew up, it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you keep your findential business to yourself. So

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<v Speaker 4>we always I guess, I mean like we were solidly

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<v Speaker 4>middle class. Then we became middle upper class, but we

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<v Speaker 4>still you know, went to Sam's Club, went to Costco.

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<v Speaker 4>Like my mom grew up on welfare. My dad wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>on welfare, but he he you know, just had two

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<v Speaker 4>hard working parents that weren't getting a lot of money

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<v Speaker 4>in did Jim Crow South. So I was just taught

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, like, yes, money, but like it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it ain't for you, like you, Oh you want outfit,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's cute, Go get a job. So I've been

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<v Speaker 4>working since I was fourteen, ever since you could have

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<v Speaker 4>get your working papers in New York. Yes, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, work to go to the high school and get

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<v Speaker 2>your market papers.

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<v Speaker 4>Working this summer, yeah, I used. I went to this.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a school. I went to Calhoun on eighty

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<v Speaker 4>first in West and Manhattan, and there was like a

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it was like a special needs

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<v Speaker 4>school or something similar. It was like a block away

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<v Speaker 4>and I remember when I was fourteen, I went over

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<v Speaker 4>there and got my working papers, and I've been working.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I'm forty four now, i've been working for

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<v Speaker 4>thirty years. Wow. Yeah, So anyway, I'm sorry how to

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<v Speaker 4>answer your question because I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I even ask a question.

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<v Speaker 4>This story. I have so many follow ups I have,

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<v Speaker 4>like I can go on Tannis. So just like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>be like Emani. Okay, tap out you do from your

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<v Speaker 4>own podcast? Can we just say Imani's state of Mind?

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<v Speaker 4>Check it out? I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to the one of the most recent episodes yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh nice, nice normal podcast on today. It's super fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been So I've been a practicing physician since two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all right, that was my question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but no, I love it. No ten years wait,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and five, so fifteen years, No, two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and nine. So two thousand and nine, I've finished my

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<v Speaker 3>fellowship in forensic psychiatry. So since then pretty much I've

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<v Speaker 3>been treating psychiatric patients.

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<v Speaker 4>So you are well, So business must be booming. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>business is booming. I would say, I mean, like straight up,

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<v Speaker 4>when this, when all this happened, like I freaked out,

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<v Speaker 4>like everybody else because it was basically it was like Friday,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm out here in LA so it was like

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was March thirteenth or something like that. Friday,

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<v Speaker 4>it was like, okay, so we're probably gonna be on

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<v Speaker 4>quarantine and I was like, okay, well, I don't really

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<v Speaker 4>know what that means, like as it pertains to me.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Monday, we were all on lockdown and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh my God, like, do I have a

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<v Speaker 4>job Stille? What am I gonna do? So I've pretty

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<v Speaker 4>much been exclusively seeing patients via telehealth, so either by

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<v Speaker 4>video conferencing or by the via telephone. And is business booming? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>I work at a hospital. I am the medical director

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<v Speaker 4>and also the chief medical officer at a mental health

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<v Speaker 4>hospital out here in Los Angeles called Gateways Hospital. And

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<v Speaker 4>the patients that I see, because I have a forensic

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<v Speaker 4>psychiatry background, these are patients who came from jail or

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<v Speaker 4>came from the state mental hospital. They might have committed

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<v Speaker 4>to some really like really egregious crimes, but it was

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<v Speaker 4>due to their symptoms from mental illness. So I basically

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<v Speaker 4>get them stable and keep them stable. So it hasn't

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<v Speaker 4>it hasn't necessarily increased for me. It's it just I

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<v Speaker 4>had to change the mode with what I had to

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<v Speaker 4>change the mode of how I was seeing my patients,

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<v Speaker 4>which honestly, I really I really like being at home honestly.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think we've both talked about how we

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<v Speaker 4>were introverts. M h yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The intersection between mental health and what's happening right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, everything happening in the world is just a

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<v Speaker 3>lot right now. And I feel like it is the

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<v Speaker 3>exact right moment to have you on because we're like

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<v Speaker 3>five or six months into this thing, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>telling Tiffl, like, we really haven't taken a step back

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<v Speaker 3>to pause and examine sort of how has this affected

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<v Speaker 3>us all? So, I mean, what would you say, I

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<v Speaker 3>know that your you know, your patients have like you

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<v Speaker 3>were saying, you know, severe mental illness, But what are

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like, can you break down, like mentally sort

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<v Speaker 3>of what it is, what's happening to us, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Why anxiety is up?

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like people who had maybe low grade depression

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<v Speaker 3>before are probably more prone to having it pop up now.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like, TIF, how's it been for you? Like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we just need someone to explain to

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<v Speaker 3>us what's happening and how we can like cope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's been there were especially in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>At first I was like, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not good, you know, And then so there's just

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<v Speaker 1>been this wave of good, not good, good, not good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember last night I was scrolling through social

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<v Speaker 1>and I literally had to say no. My husband wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to show me one of those videos. We all know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, what we mean by like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>black dead, black beaten bodies, And I said, honestly, Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>I refuse, I refuse. I'm not looking at any more

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<v Speaker 1>of those videos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. It's too much, it's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's how I'm feeling that I'm feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling in a place where I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>striving hard to protect my peace because it's just all

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<v Speaker 1>too much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I have always known that, Like, I'm not good

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<v Speaker 4>with seeing people in the act of being hurt or

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<v Speaker 4>being tortured, Like I don't want to invite that into

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<v Speaker 4>my space loud. I'm fine with, you know, picking up

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<v Speaker 4>the pieces and helping someone after the fact, but for me,

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<v Speaker 4>all I need to know is like, okay, so tell

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<v Speaker 4>me what happened. Okay, great, those are the facts, all right, now,

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<v Speaker 4>how do we get it better? I haven't watched one video,

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<v Speaker 4>probably since I'm not even lying, probably since Rodney King.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'm not watching this shit, like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't need to invite that into my space. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'll look at the news, like not look

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<v Speaker 4>at it, but I'll read the news from my news

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<v Speaker 4>app on my phone for like fifteen minutes and a day,

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<v Speaker 4>and then that's it because everything else is like speculative

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<v Speaker 4>and conjecture and things that you know. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if you guys have been noticing this, but like the

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<v Speaker 4>news that that bubbles up through the COVID cracks, if

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<v Speaker 4>you will, is some wild shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it has to take away the headlines from COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wild. I saw like apparently there's like I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's summertime, but you know, kids in cars overheating and dying,

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<v Speaker 4>and some there was some woman who like kills her grandparents.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's just it's so much weird ness that's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>So I purposefully don't like if there's a video I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching that, like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Trying to be a pandemic. It's also it's this reckoning

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<v Speaker 3>we're happening. We're happening, Yeah, I can talk. We're having

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<v Speaker 3>with the reality of what it's like to be black

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<v Speaker 3>in America, black and brown in America, and that is

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<v Speaker 3>happening at the same time where like everyone's lives are

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<v Speaker 3>at risk and the world's on fire and the pandemic's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, so you mentioned killer Locus.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just kidding. There's no killer Locus. There's killer wasps

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<v Speaker 4>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, there's aliens on Venus today, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>There's aliens on Venus. Can we join them? Do they

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, you know, can I apply for admission?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I saw that, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the nerd in me. I'm like, is that possible?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I think Venus is like a gaseous planet. But whatever, whatever, Again,

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<v Speaker 4>let's not even focus on that because I'm super nerd.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll nerd out.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's my knowledge of Venus is like sailor Moon

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<v Speaker 3>from you know, high school, that's where as it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>But so okay, But but fifteen minutes so limiting news.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's something that I need to do that

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<v Speaker 3>because I am obsessed with telling my Google, Like I'm like, hey, Google,

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<v Speaker 3>tell me the news just whenever I have downtime or

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<v Speaker 3>I'm cooking or like walking the dog. I just I

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<v Speaker 3>come kind of obsessed with listening tones. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>like it doesn't really change, but something about that has

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<v Speaker 3>become like a tick for me to want to consume

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<v Speaker 3>it just to see if something new has happened, or

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<v Speaker 3>if there's new information.

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<v Speaker 4>There's something I I was told last week I was

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<v Speaker 4>doing this. I was being recorded for this documentary about

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<v Speaker 4>millennials and mental health, and my topic was anxiety. And

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<v Speaker 4>there was an interesting term the producer used, which was

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<v Speaker 4>what do you call it? Doom scrolling? And I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, what's scy app? But it sounded like

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<v Speaker 4>I mean again, I'm a nerd. It sounded I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>is that like Ninja scroll? Like the anime movie from

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<v Speaker 4>back in the day. He was like me, now, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, okay, sorry, but it was but he so

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<v Speaker 4>who What he explained was doom scrolling is the act

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<v Speaker 4>of basically like what you what you explained, like you're

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<v Speaker 4>in your in your news app, or you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>ask your nearest AI, you know, machine, Alexis, Siri, whoever, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>tell me the news, be cause it's it's everything is

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<v Speaker 4>so out of our control. And just being able to

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<v Speaker 4>at least, you know, ask and ask your phone or

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<v Speaker 4>ask your device, Hey, can you tell me the news

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<v Speaker 4>is somehow comforting because it's something we can control. But

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<v Speaker 4>then when we start to actually read or it's we're

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<v Speaker 4>told the news, we consume the news. We are trying

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<v Speaker 4>to gain more control of our lives. But the problem

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<v Speaker 4>is that, like I said before, there are certain things

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<v Speaker 4>that are factual in the news. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of things in the news that are factual, but there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot that there's a lot of a lot of

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 4>news stories that are very speculative, like we think Biden

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<v Speaker 4>might win, Oh, but we think Trump might win. We

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<v Speaker 4>might think that, and it's and it's it's not doing

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<v Speaker 4>us any good. I understand that these news outlets need content,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not doing us the public, any favors, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's just creating this this's creating this mood of like

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<v Speaker 4>I don't give a fuck, but then I'm mad, anxious

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<v Speaker 4>all the time, it's like, you know, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm anxious because I don't know what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 4>day to day. But then at the same time, it's like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>well what do you want to do? Like I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what can I do. I can't go outside, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't go do hood rashit with my friends. I can't like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like you do, like I can't like I

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<v Speaker 4>can't like be me. So to answer your question from

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<v Speaker 4>like five minutes ago, my bad. I think what's been

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<v Speaker 4>happening as far as let's you know, let's use doom

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<v Speaker 4>scrolling as an example, is very similar to what happened

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<v Speaker 4>in the beginning of the pandemic with the toilet paper, right, So,

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<v Speaker 4>why did everyone suddenly want toilet paper? Why did everyone

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<v Speaker 4>suddenly want bottled water? Like it's not like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 4>have a pandemic now the water is the water is poisoned.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not poisoned. It's just that we wanted to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to have control of something when everything else was

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<v Speaker 4>completely chaotic, like our world's turned upside down. I went

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<v Speaker 4>from you know, being a work on a Friday and

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<v Speaker 4>now I'm home on a Monday, Like, oh, what am

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 4>I supposed to do now? And that was really that's

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<v Speaker 4>that was really scary to a lot of us because

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<v Speaker 4>we maintained schedule and our mind our minds were maintaining

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<v Speaker 4>routines that even if the routines were annoying, like sitting

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<v Speaker 4>in traffic or you know, having to go to work

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<v Speaker 4>and talk to your coworker who you don't like, they

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<v Speaker 4>were still things that your mind could count on. So

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<v Speaker 4>humans are, first of all, social creatures, and we're also

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<v Speaker 4>creatures of habit. And when you take away both, you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have what we now have, which is probably the

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<v Speaker 4>largest global mental health crisis that we've ever encountered. So

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<v Speaker 4>if we're going to talk about, you know, why do

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<v Speaker 4>people feel this way? Even why do I feel this

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<v Speaker 4>way sometimes because again, we're used to habit and we're

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<v Speaker 4>used to structure and it's gone. It's gone. Like we're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to, you know, six seven months in, I can

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<v Speaker 4>honestly say that I have a better structure, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>still not what the what I'm used to for the

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<v Speaker 4>majority of my life. So we're kind of just looking

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<v Speaker 4>for things to you know, get control over. I think

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<v Speaker 4>for you know, honestly, for people who are anti mask wearers. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>it's silly to me as a physician, like why would

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<v Speaker 4>you not wear a mask? Like I respect myself and

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<v Speaker 4>even if you don't respect me, like you should respect

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<v Speaker 4>yourself and not want to get sick potentially for me.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think a lot of it is that they're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I can this is something I can control. I can

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<v Speaker 4>control whether I want to wear my mask or not,

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<v Speaker 4>even though you know, maybe I'll get a ticket depending

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<v Speaker 4>on the town or the city, or you know, maybe

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 4>somebody will yell at me, you know, depending upon the

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 4>business they answer. But it's I mean, it's become, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 4>and overwhelmingly very political. But it just reminds me a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of like we have to hold toilet paper and

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<v Speaker 4>water because you know, what's like, what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I have no idea what was up with

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<v Speaker 4>the toilet paper thing. But I actually have like obsessive

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<v Speaker 4>compulsive personality disorder, so I have a habit of hoarding

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 4>cleaning products. Anyway, So I was actually pretty good, you said.

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<v Speaker 3>I do feel like the doomsday Ors, the Survivalists, they

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 3>really came out on top. Oh listen, but they were

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.280
<v Speaker 3>life and like second their can beans for months.

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes they're like I told you. And someone like my

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<v Speaker 1>mom who's a nurse and who was like.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been told John, I'll watched him filthy.

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 4>And exactly like yeah that day somebody. I mean, as

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 4>a physician, I've been around a lot of sticky, you know,

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 4>nasty kind of situations. But it really was until this

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.720
<v Speaker 4>pandemic that I was like, damn, like people are nasty,

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 4>Like y'all like collectively, like y'all do not wash your

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 4>hands like it used to be, you know, like I

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 4>would go out to the movies and then you know,

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 4>I would you know, go use the bathroom and go

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 4>wash my hands in the in the restroom and then

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 4>if there would always be like somebody in there who

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't and we would all be like, oh, like she's nasty.

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 4>But you know it was because of you know, like

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 4>people like that are people who you know, oh, let

0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 4>me drink after you, let me be all up in

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 4>your face. I mean that's you know. Unfortunately, how you

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.800
<v Speaker 4>know some of us got sick. Well, let's talk about

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 4>healthy ways of coping. I mean you mentioned sort of

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 4>like you want to control something, so like what are

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<v Speaker 4>the things we can do to bring back some sense

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:17.760
<v Speaker 4>of normalcy and control in our lives when everything feels

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:22.720
<v Speaker 4>like it's batshit crazy. Right. So, I think the first

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 4>thing to do is, and this is kind of the harder,

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 4>the hardest thing to do, is to admit that your stress.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 4>Admit that you're anxious, Admit you're depressed, Admit that you

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 4>can't sleep, Admit to yourself that you know, even though

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 4>we've been in this for a long time, we're now

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 4>at the point where we're quote unquote used to it.

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 4>We're not on like a fundamental level, but it's like, Okay,

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 4>today's Monday, I'm going to do this. I look at

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 4>my schedule, I'm going to do that. But it's not

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 4>an ideal situation. So admitting that that you have an issue,

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 4>admitting that you are not comfortable, like things are not

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 4>right to the point where it might be interfering with

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 4>your day to day and interfering with your mental well

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 4>being is key. After that, I would think that the

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 4>best thing to do is for someone to talk to

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 4>someone they trust, because you'd be surprised, and I'm speaking

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 4>as somebody who has a history of depression and anxiety,

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 4>you'd be surprised or I was really surprised at how

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.800
<v Speaker 4>helpful it was to get my feelings out of my body.

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 4>And when you're dealing with depression and anxiety, a lot

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 4>of it is guilt driven. It's like, well, I don't

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 4>want to burden this person, you know, with my personal

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 4>issues because they're going through all this stuff too. And

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.439
<v Speaker 4>you know what, if that person is a real, real

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<v Speaker 4>friend to you and they really care about you and

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 4>love you, they'll listen to you and they'll you know,

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of help you through it. And that person might

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 4>also be going through things, and you could also serve

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 4>as an inspiration but that you know, for your friend,

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 4>the loved one to be like you know what, like I,

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, like, let's talk about this. I think the

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 4>third thing to do is to really set a routine.

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 4>And Mandy, you and I spoke yesterday and I definitely

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 4>agreed with you at the time, Like I like routine

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 4>versus schedule, Like a schedule sounds like, oh, this is

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 4>my class schedule for the day, like these are things

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 4>that like I have to do, but I don't really

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 4>want to do, versus a routine, which is like, oh,

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to wake up at this time because that's

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 4>when I want to wake up, or that's when I

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 4>might need to wake up. It's a routine to me.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Sounds I mean, it's semantics, but it sounds like it's

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 4>more it's something that I can control. It's more manageable, so,

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, depending upon you know, the person's you know,

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 4>lifestyle or what they need to do. I mean, I

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 4>remember in the beginning of the pandemic, I actually was

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 4>trying to schedule like cocktail hour during during the early evening,

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 4>like I can maybe not yeah, like maybe not even drinks,

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 4>but like CANNOPI is like something like I was just

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:03.439
<v Speaker 4>like I need something to just make my day feel like, oh,

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 4>look at this, We're having a good time, right, And

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 4>then I think, you know, the other thing that people

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 4>really need to consider. And as terrible as this pandemic

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 4>has been for a lot of people, the one thing

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 4>that has really been great about it is that there

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 4>are actually it's actually easier to get hooked up with

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 4>mental health services because most mental health clinics aren't open,

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 4>but they do see patients or you know, or referrals

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 4>or clients via apps, via video chat, via telephone. Even

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.919
<v Speaker 4>so it really has, at least in psychiatry and psychology,

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 4>whereas telemedicine or telehealth was something that some of us

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 4>were into. Like now we all have to be into

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 4>it because if that's if we don't get used to it,

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 4>we don't get acclimated to it, we're not gonna have patients.

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 4>We're not going to be able to treat people and

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.799
<v Speaker 4>have and help people feel better the way that we

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 4>need to right now. And you know, I think the

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 4>I think the last thing, and this is gonna sound,

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of obvious, like Captain obvious, but you

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 4>know I tell people. I tell my patients like, you know,

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.760
<v Speaker 4>if you if you don't have a pre existing medical

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 4>condition that's preventing you from going outside, like go outside,

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Like go outside. Because I'm as an introvert, I love

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 4>being in the house. I'll stay in the house all

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 4>day long. But when I finally am like, okay, we

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 4>got to go outside, I'm like, oh my god, it's

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 4>so nice out here, like look look at this, like

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 4>look at these trees. Like I can feel the air

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 4>now right now in La and in California, like the

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 4>whole state's on fire. So that sometimes there's like yeah,

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 4>maybe don't bring you deeply out there. Yeah, like yeah,

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean I've been in the house for the past

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 4>like four or five days, so I'm starting to feel

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 4>a little bit antsy. But you know, I think exercise

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 4>is important, like you, like, we really need to find

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 4>what we can do to increase our levels of serotonin

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 4>in our brains so that we don't end up dipping

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 4>into depression anxiety, but unfortunately a lot of us have.

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<v Speaker 3>It almost brings up another important point you mentioned, like

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 3>guilt and shame. And I feel like there was this

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>something that happened with the pandemic where people who were

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 3>at home. It wasn't just like let's go outside. It's like, oh,

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna this is one I'm going to train for

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.759
<v Speaker 3>a marathon or I'm going to learn how I'm going

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 3>to start the triathlon. I always wanted to do myself personally.

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I got a peloton and I'm now it's something that

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, why am I not on the peloton?

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Why do I not have a hundred rides yet? And

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 3>it's almost like, you know, you can take these little

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 3>things that maybe make you feel better, but then that

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 3>becomes the stick that you beat yourself with a little

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.720
<v Speaker 3>bit when it comes to like guilt and shame.

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.399
<v Speaker 4>So how do we like talk, how can we just.

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 3>Give ourselves a break for not going so over the

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 3>top of this extra time that we perceive that we have.

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 3>And you know, like there's this idea that you can

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 3>win quarantine by learning a new hobby or a language.

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Why are we doing that to ourselves? We're doing that

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 4>to ourselves because we were so go, go go before

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 4>the shutdown. So I remember distinctly, I'd wake up, I'd

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 4>go work out at six am. I'd come home, help

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 4>my son with his lunch and make him breakfast, take

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.359
<v Speaker 4>him to school, come back home, run four miles, check

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 4>my schedule. Seem you know, like I was like the

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 4>amount of things I was cramming into a day was absurd.

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 4>It was absurd. And it wasn't until you know, I

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 4>was as we all were forced to take a step

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 4>back that I was like, what why are you doing this?

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Like like, are you gonna win something at the end?

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 4>Like no. So once I was able to slow down,

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 4>it really afforded me the opportunity. I mean, it was hard,

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 4>but once I was able to slow down, I was

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 4>able to really just take stock up, you know, like

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 4>what do you want? Like what do you want out

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 4>of life? Not out of Wednesday, not out of this job?

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 4>Like what do you want? And I was like, honestly,

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'm I've been grinding since two thousand. I

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:04.919
<v Speaker 4>had a med school two thousand. I'm like a bitch

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 4>is tired. I'm tired. I'm tired, you know, Like I

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 4>still want to, you know, see patients and make a difference,

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 4>but you know, I don't need to, you know, start

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 4>training for the for you know, a bodybuilding competition or whatever,

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 4>like these goals I had beforehand. It's it again, is

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:29.280
<v Speaker 4>is that it's that desire to have control of your life,

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 4>but by distracting yourselves. So there were a lot of

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 4>things that I was doing just just distract myself because

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 4>I had to realize that I wasn't happy. And when

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.919
<v Speaker 4>I was able to do all of those things during

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 4>the day and just pack my day with stuff, did

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 4>I feel better?

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe?

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 4>Superficially, like did I feel like I'd accomplished something? Yes?

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 4>And I think I equated accomplishing whatever it was quote

0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 4>unquote with feeling good about myself. And once that, once

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.919
<v Speaker 4>this pandemic pulled the rug out from under us. We

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 4>were searching for things to do. Like like I saw

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 4>some some meme on Instagram that was going around like

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 4>if you don't come out of this pandemic with the skill,

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 4>then you wasted your time. I'm like, first of all,

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.919
<v Speaker 4>don't tell me what to do. Okay, that's that's number one.

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Number two is Number two is everybody should be allowed

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 4>and everybody is allowed to live their own life as

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 4>they see fit. And you know, do I do I

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 4>want to learn how to knit? Do I want to

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 4>learn how to you know, do needle? Point of course

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 4>I do, But this may not be the right time

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:45.800
<v Speaker 4>because I'm not able to full I don't have Like honestly,

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 4>we're at a point where we don't know what's gonna

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 4>happen tomorrow, Like I like, I legit, don't know whereas

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 4>before the shutdown, like you know, people would say metaphorically like, well,

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, tomorrow's not promised, so live for today, and

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 4>you would feel it on like a certain level. But

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 4>now I feel it and I know that on a

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.240
<v Speaker 4>cellular level, like I do not know what's gonna happen tomorrow.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't know what's gonna happen politically, I

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 4>don't know what's gonna happen, you know, news wise, I

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 4>don't know what's gonna happen regarding COVID, Like, you know,

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 4>are we due for the killer locuswarm that you know

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.919
<v Speaker 4>we should be experienced? What's the point of it? All?

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:21.320
<v Speaker 4>About it?

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Like rhy this is I'm like playing Devil's advocate. But

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 3>this is like a small part of me inside my

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>brain that I'm constantly trying to talk down off the

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 3>ledge is like what's the point in saving?

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 4>Why don't you just blow your money now? Like I

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 4>mean on what really?

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I feel like financially people are and

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 3>you and I talked about this too, like the sense

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 3>of the structure that you have with your budget, Like

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 3>even something as simple as a household budget seems to

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 3>feel so silly or like doesn't really compute with today's world.

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 4>So how can you adjust? Like mentally, how you look

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 4>at your finances and your financial planning. So much of

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 4>that has to do with the future, which none of

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.320
<v Speaker 4>us can predict right now. A lot of it, like

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 4>when we were talking before, a lot of for me,

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 4>budgeting is very tied into my self worth because budgeting

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 4>involves money, and I have you know, we're in a

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 4>capitalistic We're in a capitalist society, so I have oftentimes

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:19.760
<v Speaker 4>equated more money equals you know, better better self worth,

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 4>which is really terrible in hindsight for me to have

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 4>even thought that, But that's really what we're taught, right,

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:28.359
<v Speaker 4>I would say that.

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry I asked me that question again because I

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>totally forgot you are so much like me. I'm like,

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>doctor money, are we.

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Like, uh no, it's cod yesterday. I'm like this, Like

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I'll be like yeah, and then I'm like, wait, what

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 4>the future? The future?

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 3>How do we like make focial decisions today when it's

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 3>so hard for us to like remind like Wanda, we

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 3>were talking, Tiffany imagines herself in the future as Wanda

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 3>and everything she does is for Wanda, so Wanda can

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 3>be happy and you mean, like.

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Love Wanda, Like I got you right.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to sound like a sassy old lady

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>dad because I just see Wanda customer.

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Mean, I've always I've always I've always contended my spirit animal, yes,

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 4>because honestly, I mean, and that's that's kind of a

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 4>good point. To make right now Shannane was is I'm

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 4>guessing she's still alive in our consciousness. Shnane is a

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 4>small business owner. She does very well with her salon.

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 4>She has support, she had Key Lo Lo and her

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 4>other friend and every you know, and she every so

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 4>often she got to, you know, have fun. But for

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 4>the most part, Shannane was a hard worker. So I think,

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, if I badge it myself, as Bartin's character

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Art Lawren's character on Shanne like that that actually, I

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 4>mean real talk, that honestly is probably what I'm gonna

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 4>do when I get off this phone call, because I

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 4>do need to like work on my budget. But I

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 4>think that that's a good thing to do. Like what

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 4>like imagining yourself as Wanda, Yes, it's you. Yes, I

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 4>mean we're kind of used to in this day and

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 4>age with social media, imagining ourselves as an avatar. But

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 4>there's something in psychiatry psychology that we call like like

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 4>when you when I'm talking to somebody, let's say, who's

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 4>experiencing depression or has in the past, and I will

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 4>sometimes ask questions to determine if their goal oriented or

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 4>future oriented. Right, A lot of us are not goal

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 4>or future oriented right now, because we don't know what's

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 4>going to happen from day to day. But if we

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 4>can kind of imagine ourselves not as our Oh I'm

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 4>going to be my best self. I'm going to run

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 4>this marathon. I'm gonna have like a thousand rides on

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 4>peloton this month. Like it's not that, it's not it's

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 4>not like goal oriented, like I hit this goal. It's

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 4>more so needs to be about imagining yourself in a

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 4>happy place despite what's going on. Because we are we're

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 4>in a new normal. It's not going to be the

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 4>same way as it was before. It isn't. I mean,

0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't know anybody personally who would feel comfortable walking

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 4>around without a mask, like in the airport, in a restaurant,

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 4>and you know, like anything like that. So I think

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 4>it is. I think it's good to focus on what

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 4>do I like. I want to be someone who is

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 4>at peace. I want to be someone who definitely feels confident.

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 4>And when it comes to budgeting, I know that I

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 4>was having a hard time last month because I actually

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 4>was starting to slip back into having some anxiety and depression,

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 4>and so I was telling Mandy this yesterday I was like,

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, I like there were some bills that they

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 4>were like Amie, are you gonna pay these bills? Or

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 4>like what's up? Because you usually do and now you're not.

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 4>And it was because I was just so cloudy with

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 4>my thoughts, because some of my depressive and my depression

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 4>and anxiety symptoms came back. And honestly, I would say

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 4>over the past two weeks, as I had my medication adjusted,

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 4>like I had it increased, I have been more go

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 4>with the flow, like water off a ducts back. But

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 4>I was, I mean, seriously, like dressing in bed, like

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 4>damn you didn't pay your and AT and T cell

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.759
<v Speaker 4>phone bill, Like look at you, like like you like

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 4>you really fucking up right now? And it's not that serious.

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 4>It's not. It's just that I needed to get to

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 4>a better place where I felt better. So I think

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 4>that when it comes to budgeting, it's it's important, but

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:21.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to have to change my budget to reflect

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.480
<v Speaker 4>the fact that like I don't go nowhere, I don't

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 4>have to I don't have to include my restaurant the

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 4>restaurant portion of my budget where that I would usually use.

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 4>Now I will say this last month when I wasn't

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 4>feeling that great. I was I was like, oh, nobody's

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 4>on Postmates word okay, like and then it's like, oh,

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:44.279
<v Speaker 4>well that's going to cover it up. But then I

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.359
<v Speaker 4>ended up like feeling bad about it later because I

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 4>was like, you don't need to do that. So I

0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 4>think we need to really look at the at a

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 4>budget or this this new normal budget as things that

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 4>we need not necessarily feel happy and great because I

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 4>bought a lot of dumb shit and I'm like, where

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 4>are you gonna go with them sneakers nowhere? Like you

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 4>don't need these things. But I think we really need

0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 4>to just just look at you know, how can we

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.239
<v Speaker 4>make things easier for us? How, you know, do we

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 4>need to outsource certain things? Does our budget allow for that?

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 4>Because it wasn't really until like maybe last year that

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, I really need to like outsource

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.240
<v Speaker 4>these things, like there are things that I can afford

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 4>to outsource, or you know, there were even things that

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 4>I would barter for other with other people with for

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 4>other people with So you know, I think we need

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 4>to get to a point, or people hopefully can get

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 4>to a point where they feel they feel better about themselves.

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 4>And that really might involve someone talking to a mental

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 4>health therapist or a mental health clinician or a psychiatrist, psychologists,

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 4>what have you, but also talking about like what are

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 4>the things that make me me? What are the and

0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 4>maybe what are the negative coping strategy? Yes, that I

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 4>was using before the pandemic, before COVID, that I've carried

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 4>with me into this pandemic snacks.

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was just looking all of that in.

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 4>To have you've been quiet? What are you thinking over there?

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 2>I've just been thinking that.

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Like one of the what I love, well, I guess

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 1>if there is any bright side to all of this

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>darkness is how comfortable people have gotten talking about therapy

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and suggesting therapy to each other. And when I mean people,

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean black folks. That never was a thing. It

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.320
<v Speaker 1>was like gree you better pray. No one talked about therapy,

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's just become like I just said it to

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:43.919
<v Speaker 1>someone the other day.

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, well you know, have you considered therapy?

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 1>They're like yeah, yeah, even like my CHURCHI friends, which

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 1>is like, I mean, you know, that was never a thing.

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Like when I have a super churchy friend and she

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I talk to my therapist today was

0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>so great, and I just thought, you know, if there

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 1>is a bright side is the fact that people are

0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 1>understanding that you need help and that going to therapy

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>is not a replacement for God in prayer, and that

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>they can work in tandem together.

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:12.799
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, you know.

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm loving because people like you know, like Sarah

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Jakes Robert, she says that all the time, which I

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.760
<v Speaker 1>love because so many people look up to her TJ's daughter,

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:23.439
<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, So I guess I was just thinking

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.399
<v Speaker 1>about that because quite honestly, I've been dragging my feet.

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I've been needing a therapist. I want a black woman

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>for the longest, just to there are what I do.

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I have several companies that I want. It could be

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:37.359
<v Speaker 1>really stressful and sometimes I won't even know that I'm

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>stressed until I'm like, yeah, so what's the last time

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you slept fully? You know, So just having a place

0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to because I'm like the go to for everyone. There's

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 1>literally times when I feel like I'm everyone's pulling a

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 1>finger a toe. Yes, I'm just like like what people

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.320
<v Speaker 1>are like, I text you, I'm like I have fifty

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:54.959
<v Speaker 1>unread text.

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Text is a new email.

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean so yeah, So, I mean, I just think

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that if if anything else, it just is like TIVI

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:03.879
<v Speaker 1>and A, you need to find a therapist. I don't

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 1>know why I've been dragging my feet. I guess I'm

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>just like, ugh, I don't feel like interviewing people and

0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>figuring out the right person, and how am I going

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to make time for them? I don't even have time

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>for myself.

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 4>True, But then you know, it's funny, there was something there.

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.759
<v Speaker 4>There was like this work. It was like busy work

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 4>that I had to complete for my job, and I

0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:22.839
<v Speaker 4>finally got around to like finishing it today and I

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 4>was like, it's gonna say so long, and I don't

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 4>feel like doing it. It literally was data entry like this.

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.359
<v Speaker 4>It was not a big deal. And then today when

0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 4>I was doing it now that like, I'm not you know,

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 4>my motivation is better because I'm not depressed. I was like, eman,

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 4>you could have been done that, but I didn't get

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 4>on myself about it. I was like, you know what,

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 4>we're going to use this as a you know, a

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 4>learning point, Like you didn't do it before because you

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:50.200
<v Speaker 4>weren't feeling right, and you got some help and now

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 4>you feel better, and that's okay, so I will. But

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 4>something that you said just now reminded me of the

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 4>fact that a lot of people, and I think, especially

0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:03.160
<v Speaker 4>like I'm Generation X because I'm I'm almost forty five,

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:07.239
<v Speaker 4>so but Generation X, the baby boomers, they always get

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 4>on millennials and Gen Z like, oh, you are so

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 4>lazy and youing your cell phones and this, that and

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 4>the third. But honestly, I think not think. I definitely

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:20.759
<v Speaker 4>know just by following social media trends and whatnot, that

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 4>if it weren't for the black millennials, we would not

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 4>be talking about therapy like it's nothing like oh yeah,

0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 4>like cause they'll legit be like, oh I got a therapist,

0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 4>I got an individual therapist, I got a group therapist.

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 4>Then I have a therapist that I check in with

0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 4>like every two months. Like they're very pro therapy. And

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:44.720
<v Speaker 4>as much as they were maligned and for I guess

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 4>for being like the quote unquote adderall generation, they are

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 4>really taking up the charge to just make it very normal.

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 4>And I really appreciate that. You're welcome.

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Many millennial and I'm I'm generating next as well. I'm

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>forty doctor money, so I'm Generation lm X as well.

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.880
<v Speaker 1>So Mindy's are a local millennial. I'm almost like, what

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>did the millennials say? Even though sometimes Mandy's like an

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>old lady, I'm like, girl, get with it.

0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm a layered and complex individual like everyone else. I

0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 3>guess it's just like, don't feel it's it's the it's

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:27.799
<v Speaker 3>the negative thought spiral, which is and this is for

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.280
<v Speaker 3>me and food because listen, my coping mechanism is food.

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:34.239
<v Speaker 3>And I am really appalled at how much weight I

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:37.480
<v Speaker 3>put on in this pandemic. But it's almost like the

0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 3>shame of the eating habits that have plagued me for

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 3>my entire life stops me from doing the things that

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 3>I know I can do to make myself feel better,

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.320
<v Speaker 3>and then I feel bad. So then I just layered

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 3>on with more food. And it's it's this like self

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:55.279
<v Speaker 3>fulfilling negative prophecy that man, I'm just like, and I

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.800
<v Speaker 3>start beating myself up because I'm like Jesus Christ, like,

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 3>you're thirty something years old, shouldn't you be for this

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 3>by now? This isn't cute, But again that we're just

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 3>we're so hard on ourselves, and I this conversation right

0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 3>now is just reminding me like we just as much

0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 3>as as much as I say it, I know intellectually

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:13.839
<v Speaker 3>I need to be nicer to myself and just like

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 3>one day after the next. But it's it's really hard

0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:25.280
<v Speaker 3>to like be a human today, a black human, a woman, human, age, location, whatever,

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.320
<v Speaker 3>just a human in your specific part.

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 4>Of the world. Well, it's interesting that you mentioned like

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:38.319
<v Speaker 4>like you're trying to intellectualize your your desire to want

0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 4>to make yourself feel better by eating, right, So not

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.360
<v Speaker 4>that I mean I'm using an eating disorder as an example.

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying you have eating disorder, but yeah, but

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 4>probably I do go ahead when but when people are

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 4>when people let's say, have binge eating disorder or even

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:58.760
<v Speaker 4>anorexia nervosa or bulimia where they binge and then they purge.

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 4>I used to act work at a hospital, an inpatient hospital,

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:07.239
<v Speaker 4>with patients who had really really severe eating disorders, and

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<v Speaker 4>the one thing that they all told me, whether they

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<v Speaker 4>were binging, they're binging food or restricting their food or

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<v Speaker 4>purging their food, is that they would get high from

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<v Speaker 4>the maladaptive behavior. So anorexics get high when they're not

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<v Speaker 4>like when I guess when their blood sugar drops. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know because I'm not innarexic, but they do feel

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<v Speaker 4>this state of euphoria, and it's kind of similar when

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I would say most of us, myself included,

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<v Speaker 4>have gained weight during this pandemic because it's like like

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<v Speaker 4>last month, I was like, donuts are amazing, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>really it. So I'd like six, and I'm gonna eat

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<v Speaker 4>them every day. I'm gonna eat six donuts every day,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's that because it is boosting your serotonin in

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<v Speaker 4>your brain and that's making you feel better, but temporarily,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the guilts and the shame sets in. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's interesting that you know, you, even me, we like

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<v Speaker 4>we're creatures that we can Human beings are are creatures

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<v Speaker 4>that can, you know, intellectualize anything. So it's like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>why do I keep doing this? I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 4>since I was a kid. It's not something that you

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<v Speaker 4>can really, it's not something that you woke up one

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<v Speaker 4>day and decided to do. It's something that your brain decided, well,

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<v Speaker 4>is your serotonin lo, then let's eat everything and then

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<v Speaker 4>and then we'll feel better for maybe like thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, like what you just said in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we need to stop beating beating each other

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<v Speaker 4>up so much. It's that's really what it is. And

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's easier said than done, but I've really

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<v Speaker 4>been trying to on the daily, like just think about

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<v Speaker 4>things like you know what, like, oh, you had to

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<v Speaker 4>pay that parking ticket. You know what, it happens, pay

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.720
<v Speaker 4>the parking ticket, like whereas before I would just look

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<v Speaker 4>at it and then just get mad and then I

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<v Speaker 4>flip it over and then you know, I'm like a

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<v Speaker 4>day before I'm gonna get you know, I have to

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<v Speaker 4>owe the city double. Like There's so many things that

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<v Speaker 4>I have personally guilted myself over that completely make no sense,

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<v Speaker 4>but that was a function of me having symptoms of

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<v Speaker 4>mental illness.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we could keep talking and talking and

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<v Speaker 3>talking talking, Doctor Money, It's been really amazing you having

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<v Speaker 3>amazing you. It's been so amazing having you on the

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<v Speaker 3>show today. I just mean it's been amazing you both.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you, thank you. Where can people find

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<v Speaker 3>out more about you and what you have going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Now? Okay? Sure, So I'm doctor Emani. I have all

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<v Speaker 4>social media pretty much, but I would say the place

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm most active is Instagram. So I can be

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<v Speaker 4>found on Instagram at doctor d O C t O

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<v Speaker 4>R dot Imani. I also have a website of the

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<v Speaker 4>same name. It's but it's doctor Hyphenemani dot com. People

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<v Speaker 4>can find me on YouTube just search for my name again,

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<v Speaker 4>it's doctor the word spelled out. Imani and I have

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<v Speaker 4>a podcast which is called Imani's State of Mind, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's pretty much everywhere there are streaming there's a streaming

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<v Speaker 4>podcast platform. Amani State of Mind is essentially me and

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<v Speaker 4>one of my best friends, and we talk about mental

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<v Speaker 4>health and mental illness and wellness, but we talk about

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<v Speaker 4>it in a very casual, pop culture based situation, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's not it's not it's not a sad podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Like we're definitely giggling the whole time and just like

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<v Speaker 4>just acting silly. But you know, I'm someone who that's

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<v Speaker 4>my personality. I'm just kind of goofy by nature, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's how I am with my patients and my friends,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I wanted to at least show people that

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<v Speaker 4>mental health doesn't have to be dour and sad and scary.

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<v Speaker 4>It actually can be a lot of fun. So that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's really kind of like my baby, So that's why

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<v Speaker 4>I spent so much time explaining that. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Emani state of Mind, YouTube, Instagram, my website. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to see me, you could always go

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<v Speaker 4>to Bravo dot com. Sorry, BravoTV dot com. I'm one

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<v Speaker 4>of the cast members of Married to Medicine Los Angeles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think I pretty much exhausted all of my

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<v Speaker 4>oh my avenues. What's your address? I know, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just kidding. Well, thank you so so much.

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<v Speaker 4>This was illuminating.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I feel like if every therapist was like you,

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<v Speaker 3>people would not be afraid to go to therapist.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's so nice. Yeah, I'm an open book because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I mean, the patients that I see, I

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<v Speaker 4>have clients, so because people are going to ask us,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, what'd you say? I said?

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<v Speaker 3>People are going to ask us. Yeah, how can I

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<v Speaker 3>get an appointment with doctor Amani?

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<v Speaker 4>So okay, I have been I have been considering reopening

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<v Speaker 4>my private practice because that actually has been occurring more.

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<v Speaker 4>But the patients that I see are actually their referrals

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<v Speaker 4>through the hospital I work for, So I would I

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<v Speaker 4>would say, probably the best way to get in a

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<v Speaker 4>quote unquote appointment with me is to listen to my podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really good, y'all listen to the most recent when

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<v Speaker 3>the New Normal, and it felt like your friend on

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<v Speaker 3>the other end of it was like everybody else just like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't tell me it's the new normal. I refuse to

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<v Speaker 3>believe it. Yeah, Cam as well, but yeah, we had

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<v Speaker 3>we have a really good time. But yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to have somebody on my podcast that would be

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<v Speaker 3>the common person as opposed to me. Who you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if if, if you you know, keeps talking to me,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna start sounding like, you know, a professor, and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>You went to Xavier. True yeah, true, the doctor fact

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<v Speaker 4>true true true true.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well y'all go check out Doctor and Money everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>and thank you again Doctor Money for coming on Brown Ambition.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, thank you. This was super fun. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 4>I got to meet you guys.