1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mother of 2 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: two seemingly vanishes while she's out on a bike ride 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day of all day, She's all alone, no children, 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: no husband, know nothing. Her bike is found on a 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: remote bike trail. B s you can smell that a 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: mile away. Suzanne Moorephew did not have a bike accident 7 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. She's dead. Somebody killed her. The body 8 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: yet to be found, but bombshell. Right now, the case 9 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: is in court against husband, Barry Morphew for a preliminary hearing. 10 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: The state is in the sorry position of having to 11 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: reveal their cards and allow many of their witnesses to 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: be cross examined before we even strike a jury. Crime 13 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace one of the mini bombshells we've 14 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: just learned about, including this. Take listen to our friends 15 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: at CBS four Denver prosecutors in this case said that 16 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: they had eight witnesses scheduled for the first two days. 17 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: So far, we've only heard from two of those witnesses, 18 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: as well as just several of apparently four hundred and 19 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: fifty different exhibits they planned. Percent so far, we've seen 20 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: text messages between Susanne and her best friend. We also 21 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: learned quite a bit about a two year affair that 22 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Susanne allegedly had. We also saw extensive text messages between 23 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: Susanne and her best friend from Indiana, Sheila Oliver, where 24 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: she called Barry a narcissist and made plan and to 25 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: leave him when her youngest daughter left for college. Barry 26 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: allegedly knew nothing of Susanne's affair. She didn't even tell 27 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: her friends. Investigators said that the only reason they found 28 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: out about this affair was due to a spypen that 29 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: she purchased thinking that Barry was also having an affair. 30 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind that Barry Morphew 31 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: did know about his wife's affair, and I'm not so 32 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: sure he wasn't playing the field as well. Take a 33 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at nine News Denver our cut 34 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: seventy investigators said today that Susanne Morphew had a two 35 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: year long affair leading up to the day that she disappeared. 36 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: Now they say that she spied on her husband, Barry 37 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: using a spy pen, believing that he was having an 38 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: affair as well. Investigators do not believe that Barry was 39 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: having an affair. Now, the man investigators called her lover 40 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: did not come forward to investigators when she disappeared, and 41 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: when we spoke with them months after she was missing, 42 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: when they learned about the affairs. Okay, that's not a 43 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: good look. If this is true, he's having an affair 44 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: with Susanne Morphew, she goes missing and he never calls police. 45 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: Just who is this guy? And I still don't believe 46 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: that Barry Morphy was not having an affair himself. Why 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: would she, Susanne Morphy buy a spy pen to try 48 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: to catch him and his affair. I guarantee you she 49 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: knows more than we know. With me and all star 50 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again. 51 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: First of all, California prosecutor author, I've read the flags. 52 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, PhD dot com and host of Today with 53 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy Casey, b Q. Doctor Jory Krausen, psychologist, faculty 54 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Saint Leo University, Research consultant and you can find him 55 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: at bwdash Institute dot com with me Cheryl McCollum, Foundering 56 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: director of the Coldcase Research Institute, forensics expert at Coldcase 57 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Crimes dot Org Joe Scott Morgan you know him well, 58 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: death investigator, forensics professor at Jacksonville State University, author of 59 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet and started a brand new hit 60 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: series pikedon Massacre and you can hear that on iHeart. 61 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Sydney Stell joining US news reporter k RDO News thirteen 62 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: and also Spencer Corson, founder President Courson Security Group dot 63 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: com and author of The Safety Trap. First to you, 64 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Sidney Stell, I'm really by having it. I'm having a 65 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: hard time believing that Barry Morephew, now the target in 66 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: the middle of a courtroom, was not having an affair. 67 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: Why else would his wife buy a spipe him to 68 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: spy on him and catch him if he weren't having 69 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: an affair? And what's this business that she was planning 70 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: to run away to Ecuador? I mean, this woman obviously 71 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: want it out in the marriage. And just let me 72 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: give you a compound question. Totally disallowed the courtroom, but 73 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: we're not in court, look around, You're in a studio. 74 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Next question, is it true, barrymorephe you told Susanne Moorephew 75 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: before she went missing? Who's going to pay your cancer bill? 76 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: If you leave me? I hope to sure he hears that. 77 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: Go ahead. There were texts between between Susanne and her 78 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 1: best friend from college, Sheila, where she was breaking down 79 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: that he would constantly do things like hold money over 80 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: her head. What did you say about money? She told 81 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: her best friend that it was pretty common for him 82 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: to hold money over her head. Okay, correct me if 83 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But wasn't the money hers? Didn't she have 84 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: the what money? They did have family money and they 85 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: used her money from her family to buy their mansion. 86 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: That's correct. Okay, I'm sorry. I know I'll ask you 87 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: a lot of questions, but let me just go straight 88 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: out to Sharyl McCallum. Did you hear that she brings 89 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: the money to the table, He builds this huge house 90 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: and then he tells her, how are you going to 91 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: pay your hospital bills? If you leave me? It was 92 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: all her money, you know. She called him a narcissist, Nancy. 93 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: He only thinks and cares about himself. That's what his 94 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: wife had to say about him. And there's all types 95 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: of control in a marriage, money being one of the 96 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: biggest one. I'm just learning a lot of the Sydney 97 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: steal back to you Sidney joining as Kardo Channel thirteen. 98 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: You can find her on Twitter at Sydney Still go ahead, Sydney. 99 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: A lot of bombshells in the courtroom. I don't even 100 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: understand why they're having a preliminary hearing, Sydney. You got 101 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: to help me out on that, because when you want 102 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: a case indicted, you can go to a grand jury, 103 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: a secret grand jury, they're all secret, or you can 104 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: have a preliminary hearing where you parade your most vital 105 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: evidence in front of a judge. Your witnesses are cross examined, 106 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: the defense gets a test run in order for the judge. Goo. Yeah, 107 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: you've got enough evidence. This should be tried. Why are 108 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: they doing a prelim. We're not sure why they're doing 109 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: a prelim. I will say I'm really grateful that they 110 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: are because so many of the court documents in this 111 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: case have been sealed, so we have really not known 112 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: almost anything about why he was charged. We learned the 113 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: arrest out that David more than a hundred pages. It's 114 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: still not accessible to the public, so we don't know 115 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: why he was charged with first three murder a year 116 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: after she disappeared, and you know from the first day 117 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: of these hearings, we didn't hear a lot of evidence. 118 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: That I mean, we heard a lot of circumstantial evidence, 119 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: but not a lot of things that tie them together. 120 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I don't like what 121 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: you just said. We only heard circumstantial evidence. Let me 122 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: ask you a question, Sydney. As I put it to 123 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: many many as your are, if you went into your office, okay, 124 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: there at Kordo, and when you went in it was 125 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: sunny outside, not a cloud in the sky. You leave 126 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: for lunch, okay, you go out to get a salad. 127 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: You go in the parking lot and there's pools of water, 128 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: the sky is dark. Women are rushing by holding their 129 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: raincoats to their chests, and men have umbrellas. What do 130 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you think happened while you were inside? I mean, that's 131 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: a fair poet. No, No, what do you think happened? 132 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: What would you think happened? I mean, obviously in that 133 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: situation we would think it right. But okay, so you 134 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: didn't see the storm, but you know it rained. You 135 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: don't need me beating in the head with a hammer 136 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: telling you it rained. You figured it out on your own. 137 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: That's what circumstantial evidence is. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 138 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: we were talking about this case, Suzanne more for you. 139 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: Gorgeous mom two daughters, disappears, her bike is found a 140 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: remote trail. The first thing the husband says is as 141 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: she was eaten by a mountain lion. No doubt about 142 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: it yet real he killed her. Okay, back to you, 143 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Sidney Stelle. You mentioned something about a spy pen, and 144 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: I just want to go right there to Spencer Course 145 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: and founder, president of Course a security group, author of 146 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: the safety trap Spencer. I hope you've never had to 147 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: buy spy pen to spy on your loved one, whoever 148 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: that may be, because I mean, security is your cup 149 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: of tea. You know all about the gadgets. But when 150 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: you have to buy, if I had to buy, go 151 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: to I guess not Radio Shack anymore, go on Amazon 152 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: and get a spy pen. I might as well just 153 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and file for a divorce or else burn 154 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: the house down. I mean, when you got to get 155 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: a spy pen, it's too late. Yeah. A spy pen, 156 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: for those who may not know exactly what it is, is 157 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: is a functional pen that also has a voice recorder 158 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: built into it. They can range from thirty minutes of 159 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: recording time to about two hours of recording time. But 160 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: the issue with a spy pond is the quality of 161 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: the audio. You really have to be holding the pen 162 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: in your hand for it to get a good recording. Otherwise, 163 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: you see if it's like ten feet, fifteen feet, twenty 164 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: feet away, which is why I believe the FBI forensic 165 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: team had to come into quote enhance the audio of 166 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: those recordings. So let me understand this. Would you agree? Yes? No, 167 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Georry Cross and faculties Saint Leo. If you're at 168 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the point your relationship you have to buy a spy 169 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: pan and basically place it right under their nose to 170 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: catch what they're saying. It's over. Yeah, especially from what 171 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: I've heard about the husband is narcassistic tendencies, the power 172 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: and control and stuff, And it seems like that may 173 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: have been her means of getting documentation with the planning 174 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: getting a divorce down the road and using whatever she 175 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: was able to develop through that S five in. You know, 176 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, Director Coulcase Research Institute, we met in the 177 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: trenches and the DMZ and long story short, dungeons just 178 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: love it when the psychiatrist and the psychologists I'll say, 179 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: narcissistic blah blah blah blah. You know there's a technical 180 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: legal term for that, Cheryl. It's called a pos Absolutely yeah, 181 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: no question about it. This guy fits that to a t. Again, 182 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: you can look at even when she goes missing. He's 183 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: not the one that calls police for help. He's number 184 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: one calling friends saying, hey, help me find her. He's 185 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: that reporter missing a neighbor. Does you know, Cheryl, I 186 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: know you've heard this story. Everybody, Just take two, Jackie. 187 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard this story. But my husband, 188 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: David is true blue as they come. Travels a lot 189 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: for his job. He always texts me when he touches down. 190 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: He texts me when he gets his rental car, and 191 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: at some point that evening he texts me when he 192 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: gets back to his hotel room. Usually texts me at 193 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: supper time too. All Right, one night he didn't this, 194 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: after years and years of knowing each other, he didn't 195 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: text when he got to his hotel room. I had 196 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: my assistant, poor d up with me till four am, 197 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: tracking trying to find him and make sure he was okay. Finally, 198 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: after threatening to sue the night manager at a hotel. 199 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: The guy finally went and knocked on his door. Davy 200 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: came to the door. He was fine, he was sworn out. 201 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: He'd been up since four o'clock that morning and fell asleep. 202 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Cheryl, if your husband, you're wife, 203 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: the one you loved is missing. I've moved heaven and 204 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: earth to find David. And the story you just told 205 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: was the thing I was going to say next, is 206 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: the pre impost behavior. What is their routine about texting 207 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: and calling each other, facetiming each other, especially when he's 208 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: out of town. Oh, that's right, going out of town 209 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. That's a whole nother canons. But I'm 210 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: getting into the facts of the case. But let me 211 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: quickly ask you. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author ran flags 212 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: host of Today with doctor Wendy CASEBQ. I could go 213 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: on and on and on about her qualifications, but Wendy, 214 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: come on. You know I've had a lot of defense 215 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: attorneys argue like, in this case, no body, no case, 216 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: And oh I'm not giving anybody a gold star because 217 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: they managed to get rid of the body. Yeah, that's 218 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: especially true nowadays, Nancy, where there are just too many 219 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: options open to people as to how to dispose of evidence. 220 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: And that's a sad set of affairs. But that's where 221 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: we are in an age of CSI and all the 222 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: kinds of crime dramas and all of these scenarios that 223 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: may come into plate. So you're right, as we used 224 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: to say, nobody no problem in terms of bringing a case. 225 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: But as we discussed earlier with Sydney, it's that's circumstantial evidence. 226 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: And this is a circumstantial case. But the jury is 227 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: going to be instructed. It's jeff as good as direct evidence. 228 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: It's just a different method of proving what we need 229 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: to prove. The motive is usually also something that comes 230 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: up in this dain. We don't have to prove motive either, 231 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: but it sure is nice to have one, and I'm 232 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: sure that will be established here. Do you know what 233 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about? An affair? There's really no way around it. 234 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: Susanne Morphey was having an affair for two years. But 235 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: who is this guy that did not come forward when 236 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: he first learns Susanne Morphew has disappeared. Take a listen 237 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: to our friends at Crime Online Our Cut sixty one. 238 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew was an affair and had been for two years. 239 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: The man she was seeing, Jeff Leebler, was a classmate 240 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: from high school and a married father of six. Investigators 241 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: say Susanne would tell her husband that she was having 242 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: a girl's weekend with her best friend and would instead 243 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: meet Leebler. The pair met up to six times in 244 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: multiple states, including Louisiana, Texas, Indiana, and Florida. The affair 245 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: began in twenty eighteen when more few contacted the Michigan 246 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Men saying howdy stranger. The first time the couple met 247 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: in person was in New Orleans, but an intimate physical 248 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: relationship did not begin at that time. That began in 249 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Nude photos were also exchanged, as well as 250 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: I Love Yous. Morphew and Leiebler had also talked about 251 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: getting married one day and moving to Ecuador to live 252 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: a simpler, less expensive life. Nude photos, you know what, 253 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Joe Sky Morgan, could you leave a trail any wider 254 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: than nude photos? Do you know? Joe Scott? My children, 255 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: their seventh graders, one of their little friends made nude 256 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: photos and guess what they leaked. What do you think 257 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: with twelve and thirteen year olds? A little girl thirteen 258 00:15:54,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: makes nude photos and sends them Long story short. Even 259 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: my twins now know, they didn't know un till I 260 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: found out about this. Don't do that, I mean, and here, 261 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: of course, you know Barry Morphy found those. I'm sure 262 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: that he did. Nancy, that's a thirteen year old that 263 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about. This is we're talking about grown, grown, 264 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: grown adults here. Don't you know better? Because if you're 265 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: trying to hide something to remember, this had gone on 266 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: two years. It's not like she had him over over 267 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: to the house in Colorado. They met in these divergent 268 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: places around the country, engaged in this behavior and new 269 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're planning this clandestine trip to you know, 270 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: to Central America in order to getting married at some 271 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: point in time in their the world. But you know, 272 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: you're like trying to bread crumps everywhere you go, and 273 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: that an important piece. This goes back to what Spencer 274 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: was talking about relatives to the pen. Uh, that's still 275 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: a piece of the pot. You know, we've been sitting 276 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: around scratching our heads collectively for months, just wanting any 277 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of little drip of information about this. Suddenly it 278 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: looks like the dam starting to break a little bit 279 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: and where the pieces are kind of falling into place. 280 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: But the one big piece that we're still missing, of course, 281 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: the Suzanne's body. And for me is a medical legal 282 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: death investigator that in that that's where the evidence lies. 283 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: I want to know how she came to her end. 284 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: Where is her body? Don't give me this nonsense about 285 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: mountain lions. There's no drag marks, there's no blood trails, 286 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: there's nothing to indicate that some large apex predator drug 287 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: her off of that bike down into a trail into 288 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: the woods. We have nothing at this point. But I 289 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: tell you what, this is an isolated area. There's any 290 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: number of places where her body could be out there. 291 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, because we are talking about 292 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing that is going down in the court 293 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: of law right now. We are finally hearing evidence regarding 294 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: the case Barry Morphew in the disappearance of his wife Suzanne. 295 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Sydney Stale reporter k r D O, 296 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: have we heard any developments regarding how she was killed 297 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: and where is her body? No, we haven't we know 298 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: that they didn't investadors didn't find blood anywhere. They didn't 299 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: find it near where her bike was found. They didn't 300 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: find it in the house to any of their vehicles, 301 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: so they didn't find anything like that, although they did 302 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: ask yesterday Lynda Stanley, the district attorney, she asked, you know, 303 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: did there need to be blood for there to be 304 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: a murder? And the law enforcement expert that she was 305 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: interviewing obviously said no, So we don't have evidence of that. 306 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: The bike where it was found, it was in a 307 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: place where she wouldn't normally biked because the terrain was 308 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: way too steep, was too difficult for her, and the 309 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: body pottage that they showed made it look like someone 310 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: had kind of just dumped it or where they're sided 311 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: to come, oh, we have we have blood. We don't 312 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: have anything, you know, we might I'm sorry you're cutting 313 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: out on me, Sidney Stale. Sydney is talking about the 314 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: lack of forensic evidence to show what happened to Susanne Morphy. 315 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking at one particular text that she had sent 316 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: her best friend, Sheila Oliver. She said, I'd live in 317 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: a shack right now. She wanted out of the marriage 318 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: so desperately. She goes on to say, I'm sure he 319 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: Barry Morphy, won't make it easy. He has always wanted control. 320 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: We know that Susanne Morpheu's brother claim that there was 321 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: domestic violence within the marriage, but right now, seemingly Susanne 322 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: Morpheu's affair has taken center stage. Take a listen to 323 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: our cut sixty two. And Morphew told no one that 324 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: she was seeing another man, and that man, Jeff Leibler, 325 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: did not come forward on his own. When the Colorado 326 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: Mom disappeared in November twenty twenty, sheriffs found out about 327 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: the affair. We now know that a spy pen bought 328 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: by Susanne Morphew recorded at least one conversation between Susanne 329 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Morphew and her lover. Investigators contacted the Michigan father Leibler 330 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: spoke with him, asking if he was a target in 331 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: the investigation. He tells investigators that he deleted the accounts 332 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: used to message more few. Leibler said he did that 333 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: to protect himself and to shield Suzanne's reputation and legacy. 334 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: I believe I would have wanted to help in the 335 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: missing person's investigation. But that's just me. What more do 336 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: we know? Take a listen to our friends at Crime Online. 337 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew confided in friends that her marriage was strained. 338 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: Sheila Oliver, Morphew's lifelong friends said the Colorado mom wanted 339 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: to leave her husband. Text messages shown in court between 340 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: the friends included a reference to Barry Morphew as Jacqueline Hyde. 341 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: More few complained Barry would use biblical scriptures to guilt 342 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: Tripper into forgiving him. Oliver also described domestic violence that 343 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: included Barry smacking Suzanne into a wall and holding a 344 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: gun to her head. Another report described how he once 345 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: held a gun to his own head in an apparent 346 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: suicide threat. Morphey told her friend that Barry was not stable, 347 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: so bottom line, he was holding himself hostage with a 348 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: gun to his head. It's one thing to have an affair, 349 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: it's altogether different to decide you're going to divorce. But 350 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: that was the point at which Susanne Morphew had landed. 351 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: But right now it's all about what's happening in a 352 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: court of law. Take a listen to our friend Laurence 353 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: at Fox twenty one. But wait, wait, wait, wait, let 354 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: me go out to Sydney. Still before I play that, 355 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: Sydney described from me what is happening in the courtroom 356 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: as far as like who's in there, who's watching? Not 357 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of yat. Yeah, So his both Barry and Susanne's 358 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: daughters are both in the courtroom, Macy and Mallard, and 359 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: they are the whole time, they've been really supportive for Barry. 360 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: And even yesterday they kind of lifted their masks, they 361 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: smiled at each other. One of his daughters showed him 362 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: how long her hair had gotten. The whole family is 363 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: still very supportive of Barry. They're all sitting on his 364 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: side of the courtroom and they're all still very supportive. 365 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: You know. I wouldcall Sydney stille at one point, learning 366 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: that Susanne Morphew climbed her husband, Barry Morphew, now facing 367 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: trial for her murder, would try to turn her daughters 368 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: against her when they would have arguments. What do you 369 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: know about that? Yeah, she confided in her friend Sheila 370 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: about that. She was really worried that he was going 371 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: to turn them against her, and he kept like bringing 372 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: them into the middle of their arguments, and so she 373 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: said that really worried her, but yeah, she did also 374 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: see that. She confided though, and Macys their younger daughter, 375 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: who was seven, team they confided in her. She confided 376 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: in her about wanting to leave her father, and Mason 377 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: was really supportive of that. So Macie was just seventeen 378 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: years old. She was planning to leave him as soon 379 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: as Macy was out of the house, which you know, 380 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: within a year. But obviously she never got that chance. 381 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: Isn't it true to doctor Jorry Crawls in psychologists and 382 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: faculty at Saint Leo University that the single most dangerous 383 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: time for a battered woman is when she seriously tries 384 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: to leave. Absolutely. I was just listening to several things 385 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: that I keyed in on the power and control in this. Remember, 386 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: he would use the forgiveness aspect the guilt or into 387 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: forgiving him for past whatever. Okay, that's a form of 388 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: power and control. And if he were to find out 389 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: about her affair and as she you're leaving him, he's 390 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: now losing all control not only over her but probably 391 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: over himself. That you know, there's enough there to have 392 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: planned this to the point where, hey, they're not going 393 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: to find the body, you know, they found the bike 394 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: to helmet was ab seven miles down the road alongside 395 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: the road, So I mean there's some planning here, but 396 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: it still shows the power and control that he has 397 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: to Spencer Courson, Founder President Course of Security Group at 398 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: Course of Security Group dot com. I volunteered at the 399 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center for almost ten years on the hotline 400 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: at night. And when you actually try to leave your batterer, 401 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: that the person that's beating you and controlling you, that's 402 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: a single most dangerous time for the victim. What's your 403 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: advice for women like Susanne Moorephew in a battering relationship 404 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: when they try to leave, the best course of action 405 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: is to not as best you cannot telegraph the fact 406 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: that you are either planning to or thinking about or 407 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: wanting to leave, but just to leave. And I understand 408 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: that that is much easier said than done. But our 409 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: willingness to protect ourselves needs to be stronger than our 410 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: unwillingness to offend another. And when we are in those 411 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: dire circumstances where we see that there's no way out, 412 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: sometimes finding the courage in that first step to just 413 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: leave and get out to somewhere safe where you can 414 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: then because we don't make rational judgments when we're under dress. 415 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: So any chance you get to leave should be taken in, 416 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: and any opportunity you have to not telegraph or give 417 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: someone the inkling that you're going to do so will 418 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: help to ensure the certainty of your safety in that departure. 419 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Aside from the two year affair, Susanne Morphy was having 420 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: line high school friend. What is the other evidence that 421 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: is being presented at this preliminary hearing? Finally, after having 422 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: the evidence under seal for so long as we are 423 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: learning from Sydney Stale, we're finally getting a sense of 424 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: what the evidence may reveal. I want you to take 425 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventy three. This is Jamie 426 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: O'Leary at CBS four Denver. Something interesting that we also 427 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: saw this morning was body camp video for the first 428 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: time from the day that Susanne went missing. It shows 429 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: officers handling her bike, shouting rage, searching for her, and 430 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: that evening it shows very Morephew arriving on the scene 431 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: a large scene, crying about what had happened, asking to 432 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: the bit. He was interviewed at that scene for about 433 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: thirty minutes during which time that he suggested police looked 434 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: at the nearby suspicious r V park or suggested maybe 435 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: she was taken by a mountain lion. To this day, 436 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: there has been no body found, and we learned from 437 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: the investigator that not a drop of Susanne's blood has 438 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: been detected anywhere either. He said, they're still looking for 439 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: that body most recently. And am my investigator for murder chase, 440 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: who don't always need to find blood crime stories with 441 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace? Okay, straight up to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, 442 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: death investigator and professor forensics at Jacksona State University. No 443 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: body and no blood, So what forensics can we use? 444 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: I think the first place to start is going to 445 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: be this electronic forensics. From what I understand, the police 446 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: went out and you know, and I don't know what 447 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: their rationalists what they're seeing, but you know, they told 448 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: everyone in this area that had rain camps that they 449 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: were coming to collect them. And I can't imagine how 450 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: many people out in this isolated area would have these, 451 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: but for some reason they believe that you know, that 452 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: something may have been captured along the way. I can't 453 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: tell you this about their house, though you know the 454 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: police held it I think for either twelve to fourteen 455 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: days and before it was release back to the family, 456 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: and at that point in time they did release a 457 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: statement that said they didn't find any evidence within the home, 458 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: and that's a significant amount of time to search it thoroughly. 459 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: I think that they brought the FBI in. I'm curious. 460 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: I know the CBI the state police were there as well. 461 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: They search it from stem to stern to look for 462 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: any kind of biological evidence that would indicate trauma. I 463 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: would imagine that they probably went through the house with 464 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: something like blue star or luminol to try to illuminate 465 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: any areas where maybe a blood cleanup had taken place. 466 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: They would have had time to do that, and nothing 467 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: presented at that point in time. So from a forensic standpoint, 468 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: you can rule the domicile out, at least it would 469 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: appear from the police perspective. I remember hearing at the time. 470 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you recall this, Nancy, there was 471 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: a coworker of this guy that said that the hotel 472 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: room that he had been staying in had the strong 473 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: smell of bleaching a chlorine they said, And so you know, 474 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: I thought back to that time. Could he have taken 475 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: her somewhere and done something with her body? Is there 476 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: unaccounted for time? And that's going to be the biggest 477 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: tracking here. You know, does his alibi hold up? You know, 478 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: being out of town, all these other things that seem 479 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: so very convenient relative to his behavior as it applies 480 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: directly to her disappearance, and having nothing to hang our 481 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: hat on forensically, what about it, Cheryl McCollum, How is 482 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: the stake going to prove the case? Wait a minute, 483 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, City stell joining me, Kardo. I know 484 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: they searched the home, couldn't find any blood or suggestion 485 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: of any type of a confrontation. Didn't cadaver dogs hit 486 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: at one Barry Morphy's works. I believe they did. And 487 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think the big thing, I mean, we 488 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: just talked about his alibi whether or not that holds up, 489 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: and we heard evidence yesterday that showed that his alibi 490 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: did not hold up. Because he said that he left 491 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: for Broomfield County to go out of town for work 492 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: at five am that day. They were able to use 493 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: technology to see when his truck doors were opening. They 494 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: opened at three am and again at eight am, so 495 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: he told investigators he left at five. That can't be 496 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: true if the evidence coming from his truck is accurate. 497 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: So I think that's the big thing as far as 498 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: the timeline goes and the alibi, it doesn't hold up 499 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: based on what he told investigators. And at first I believe, Yeah, 500 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: Cheryl didn't at first, and you and I worked till 501 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: we were blew in the face trying to confirm that 502 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: he was at some volunteer fire fighter continuing education in Denver. 503 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: It didn't exist. And then suddenly the stories somehow morphed 504 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: that he had a work site he had to go to, 505 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: and he hastily threw together a crew I think, that 506 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: morning to go to this work site, and then when 507 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: they got there there was no work for them. Well absolutely, 508 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean we knew when you and I first taught 509 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: that there's no way there's going to be any type 510 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: of post training on a weekend, much less a holiday 511 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: week like Mother's Day doesn't happen. But I want to 512 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: be real clear about something. I want to go back 513 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: to the basket. Hey, hey, Cheryl, let me explain something 514 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: that you just said. You remember every year there's a 515 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: pack prosecuting attorney's counsel continuing legal education. Every lawyer has 516 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: to go to continuing legal education to keep your bar 517 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: license every year, and we would carefully time it to 518 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: be in August. Why because the US Supreme Court takes 519 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: their break in August, and because of that, many other courts, 520 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: including the trial courts, take their break in August, so 521 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: as not to miss work, we would have our prosecuting 522 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: attorney Council legal education that week, those two weeks when 523 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: all the judges were off. So what Sheryl is saying 524 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: is correct. This firefighter continuing education would never have been 525 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: on a weekend like a Mother's Day weekend. It's not 526 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: going to happen. Okay, go ahead. Sometimes no evidence is evident. 527 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: And let me explain. If someone committed a hit and 528 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: run while she was on that bicycle, if the Mountain 529 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Lion had gotten her and drug her, there would be 530 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: evidence of that. The fact that there was no blood, 531 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: no skid marks, no break marks, no struggle, no damage 532 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: to the bicycle. That's good evidence to me. You know what, 533 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: You're right, You're absolutely right, was positioned in stage there. 534 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: So again, when you start putting together his alibi, his 535 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: phone pinging, his doors opening, the smell of bleeds, cadaver dogs. 536 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: You're painting a picture you can't ignore, and that jury's 537 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: not going to be able to ignority either. Sydney, that 538 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: we go ahead. Cheryl's talking about something we argue in court, 539 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: Nancy all the time. The cover up is evidence of 540 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: the crime, because when you're covering something up, the behavior 541 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: is going to be suspicious in and of itself. And 542 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: as we talk this through, that appears to be what 543 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: we're all saying, is that all of these things they're 544 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: discovering now are evidence that this was a planned crime. 545 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: This wasn't an accident. Of course, you know, we all 546 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: know that we look inwards. First, you look at the 547 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: most likely suspects, the family members, the husband, and then 548 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: you sort of work outwards. But all of this is 549 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: coming together just fine, even though it's still circumstantial. Well, 550 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the how alibi issue for barrymore 551 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: Fhew is a huge red flag. Take a listen to 552 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: our cut thirty seven. This is our friend doctor Phil 553 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: the EEI inforational. He's structing the line up. So he said, 554 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: he's all five am and not And how do you 555 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: know that justify from an employee that he was rambling 556 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: down the road texting him in the morning, trying to 557 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: get her Broomfield, So can't be at home a live 558 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: and talking to somebody on the road at four right, 559 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: That is, so that the timeline doesn't end up at all, 560 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory who's now 561 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: twenty two and Macy who's sixteen. Would she go off 562 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: riding by herself or would she be in contact with them? 563 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: Would she go off the radar for seven days and 564 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: have no social media presence, no presence electronically for that 565 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: period of time with her daughters? Now, huh, you're hearing 566 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: our friend doctor Phil speaking to Susanne's brother Angie Morman. 567 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: Long story short, let me understand this Sydney Still. The 568 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: morning Susanne Morphy goes by riding, husband Barry Morphy says 569 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: he sees her doesn't leave until five a m. But 570 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: an employee says he's riding down the road with Barry 571 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: at four am as he is hastily trying to put 572 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: together a crew to go build a wall that's not 573 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: even a real job. And that's coinsidantly the day that 574 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: she goes missing, right right, and he's been really consistent 575 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: with investigators saying at five am she was found asleep, 576 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: I left her and I went to work. You've been 577 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: really consistent about that. So obviously testimony from an employee 578 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: counteract that also seeing the data that his car door 579 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: was open at three am and not five am. So yeah, 580 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean he's been painting not But you're cutting out 581 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 1: on me again. In the meantime, on to hear more 582 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: of what Andre Mormon tells doctor Phil because this is 583 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: about not one set, but two sets of cadaver dogs. 584 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty one. We were 585 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: to have search dogs in from Missouri and another set 586 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: from New Mexico yesterday and we made a little discovery. 587 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: The dogs hit in a particular area, which we turned 588 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: over to the FBI. Now they're serious adventures, and I've 589 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: got a third one on the way tomorrow, so they 590 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: actually hit on something. So tell me about these dogs. 591 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: Two of them are small Australian shepherds. I believe they 592 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: were black and white. And when they go in and 593 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: they see something in suspect or smell something suspect, they'll 594 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: taste the grass and they'll circle the item many times 595 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: and then they'll finally set down on it. And the 596 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: German shepherds behave almost the same way, only they get 597 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: extremely excited. The faces will wrinkle up, their ears will 598 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: come forward to catch sent. They'll also kind of scratch 599 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: on the site. They'll dig. I hate to ask this, 600 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: but are these sit and hunting dogs? Are these cadaver dogs? 601 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: What type of training goose dogs has a cadaver I've 602 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of tracker dogs, sit dogs, fire dogs, 603 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: drug dog dogs. But a cadaver dog only picks up 604 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: on human tissue. Two sets of cadaver dogs are lying, 605 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 1: But what were they picking up on? This is happening 606 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: in a court of law right now. Still nobody. Where 607 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: is Susanne Barfew? Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,