1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: the white tailed woods, presented by First Light, creating proven 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, First Light, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon, 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host, 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking to the hunting public's 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Warburton. All right, everybody, welcome to the Wire to 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light. 9 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: You guessed it. This is not Mark Kenyon's voice. It's 10 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: the old second stringer Tony. Mark is off recovering from 11 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: a surgery that I guess doesn't sound too serious. Apparently 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: he got a Brazilian butt lift so that he can 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: fit into his saddle a little bit better and be 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable on those all day sits 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: this fall. So I don't know, feel free to wish 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: him a speedy recovery or whatever. Today I have the 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: one and only Aaron Warburton on. Aaron is most well 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: known for being the glue that holds the hunting public together, 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: but he also happens to be an absolute white tailed slayer. 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about the sign you should look for 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: while winter scouting, and about the sign that probably won't 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: do you much good even though it looks like it should. 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: This is a really informative episode and I think you're 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: gonna love it. And as I always, thank you so 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: much for tuning in war about you doing, buddy, I'm doing. 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. I'm cold, but I think that counts 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: with just being in the midst of winner. But you 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: know all about that. I know all about it, buddy. 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: This winter has been a long, long winter, and it 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: makes me you know, you know, I don't know how 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: this happens. You never know when you're getting old, but 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: you start to have these little reminders. And I always thought, like, 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, growing up, you'd hear about somebody who was 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: a snowbird, and I was like, that's so weird, Like 35 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: you just go spend the winter in Arizona or Florida. 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: And now I'm at the point where I'm like, how 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: the hell can I make that happen? Because being up here, 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, locked in this arctic ship for five months, 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: it's a lot, but it gives us a few opportunities 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: with a deer, which isn't so bad. I guess, yeah, 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: that's right. I'm in the same boat I ten twelve 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: years ago. I was a young buck that you know nothing. 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: I know, there was no mountain too big, you know. 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: But now it's like four or five days a tent 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: somewhere freezing my butt off. It's like, man, I need 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: to really go somewhere to get some legitimate sleeper and 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: there or two and regards my batteries. Yeah, I hear it. 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Part of your problem is probably having to manage that 49 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: entire THHP crew there and kind of be the mother 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: hend of the whole thing. Huh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: we got we got quite the litany of personalities amongst 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: our group. Do you had that call this morning and like, 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: it's just so so much diversity within our group and 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: so many different perspectives. It keeps you on your toes though. Yeah, 55 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: you guys have I mean, you've done such a good 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: job with that and you just expanded so much. But 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: what's it like just with the you know, the content 58 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: production that you guys have going on, you have to 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: kind of feel like you're always like one step ahead 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: of the combine and it's just running you down the 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, it always. It's always like that through 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: the season, NonStop. This last year, we kind of trimmed 63 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: back the amount of videos that we put out and 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: we tried to do like a better job with them 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: as far as the production goes. But they did pretty well, 66 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: and I think the viewers. The viewers liked them, but 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: I think they liked our old style more where we 68 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: were just doing stuff. You know, as we went this 69 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: last year, we gave ourselves like three or four days 70 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: to get a video out, so that gave us more 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: time to kind of relax and work on the video. 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, maybe instead of editing six hours every night, 73 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: you're only editing a couple hours and then eventually getting 74 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: it done. But I think we're going to go back 75 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: to I don't know if that's for better or worse. 76 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: It's definitely for worse on us to go back to 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: editing videos every night, but um, people definitely seem to 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: like that. They seem to get more value out of 79 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: that from our at least our audience does. So I 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: think that's what we're going to go back to. But 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: to answer your question a long winded fashion is it's 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: pretty trying. I lose I still lose ten to fifteen 83 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: pounds every spring and every fall. Yeah, gets around Christmas 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: and my face starts thinking in my mom's text to 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: me every other day, like are you alive? Are you 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: gonna make it? Like yeah, by it's it's a heavy 87 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: lift man. And it might not be directly relatable to 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the audience when you say you gave 89 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: yourself three or four days, or you gave you know, 90 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: the crew three or four days to put out a video, 91 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, editing wise, and anybody who's ever edited a 92 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: long form video knows that that's not very much time. Still, 93 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: So when you when you crunch down, that's a that's 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: a stress filled situation, over and over and over again. Yeah, 95 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: especially when you're thinking about the hunt and like just 96 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: being on the road on one of these hunts. You know, 97 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: it's like fifty percent of your time is just surviving, 98 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: or fifty percent of your focus is just like what 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: food do I have to eat today? Where am I 100 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: going to sleep? Where it's dry? Do I have all 101 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: my equipment in order? Do I have all my gear 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: in order? What's the weather going to do tomorrow? How 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: you know where am I going to hunt? All these 104 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: things are going through your mind, and that is literally 105 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: a full lift for somebody just on its own. And 106 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: then you introduce like every night you've got to catalog 107 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: this footage and then sit in the truck and you know, 108 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: edit it and then find a way to get enough 109 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: WiFi to upload it somewhere, either be it through your 110 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: smartphone or a Starbucks that's thirty miles away. Like there's 111 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: just a there's it's a lot. But that's that's why 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: there's there's no way we could do it without our group. 113 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: For an everybody has to wear a number of different 114 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: hats and to get the job done. I think what 115 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: you said there, uh the logistics of it of just 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: one out of state hunt, Like, I think that's that's 117 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: the sort of piece of the puzzle. We haven't really 118 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: discussed a lot when we talk about hunt planning and 119 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: doing you know, doing these over the road hunts and 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: selling this idea that you should go try to shoot 121 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: a deer over state line somewhere. Is just the amount 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: of thinking you have to do, not only like we 123 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: kind of boil it down like, oh, e scout, find 124 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: your spot, get in there, you know, burn through there 125 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: be mobile hunt and it's it's tied around that stuff, 126 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: but it's not tied around like nearly it's tightly like 127 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: where are you going to stay? And like what what 128 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: food are you going to have? And how good of 129 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: a sleep you know, pernight are you gonna get? Like 130 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: all of these things. You know, if you get a 131 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: flat tire or how do you get it? Like can 132 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: you change it? Like where do you go for that? Exactly? 133 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: Like do you have jumper cables in your car? It's 134 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: the most basic thing ever. But if you go out 135 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: there and you're in the middle of nowhere and you 136 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: know your car dies or whatever, what are you gonna do? 137 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: Like how are you going to figure that out? In 138 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: some of the places we go, you're not allowed to camp, 139 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: and you know, the nearest place where you can camp 140 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: maybe thirty miles away. So you have to deal with 141 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: all that before and during your hunt, and it takes 142 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: an enormous amount of time. I mean, on five to 143 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: six day hunt, the first day or two is spent 144 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: dealing with that stuff. Yeah, half the time. Well then, 145 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: and like you said, I mean I was bitching to 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: my wife about this at the end of this season 147 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm sure you guys do this too, 148 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: where you go through a whole season, you know, you know, 149 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: you hunt quite a bit, and you're like, can I 150 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: just get the right weather, like for three days in 151 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: a row. It's like it always feels like you're just 152 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: fighting the weather. And it's you know, seventy five degrees, 153 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, November fifth, and you're like, what the hell? 154 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: And then you know a rainstorm comes in for three 155 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: days and you're like, can I just you know, like 156 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: when we when we plan these hunts and we start 157 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: thinking about them, we're like, Okay, I'm going into this 158 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: spot or I'm going to hunt this chunk of public. 159 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: It's it's really easy to just kind of ignore the 160 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: fact that mother Nature is going to throw something at 161 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you that sucks, and you know you kind of like 162 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: factor it in. If it's an early season hunt, you're like, Okay, 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: i'm gonna be around some water. You're gonna think about 164 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. But so often, you know, like fifty 165 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: sixty seventy percent of your hunts in the fall, you 166 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: get weather that is like actively working against you. Like 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: it's not even like a net neutral or a positive. 168 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's trying to make it rough for you. 169 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: And it's like almost impossible to factor that in when 170 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: you're planning, So you have to cover that other stuff, 171 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: like the logistics of where you're gonna stay and how 172 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna eat and how you're gonna get there and 173 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff, because you know, if you do it enough, 174 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: there's all these things you haven't thought about that are 175 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: coming in that are gonna kick your ass in some 176 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: little way and just make it tougher. Oh yeah, that water. 177 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the most basic thing ever. But if 178 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: you're staying somewhere and you're and you're trying to be 179 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: as efficient as possible and spend as much time hunting 180 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: as possible, you gotta have a way to have water. 181 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: And if you don't have if you don't have the 182 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: means to have it while you're there and have enough 183 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: of it stored in your vehicle, then you got to 184 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: have a way to get more of it in some way. 185 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, all those little details survival survivaling is what 186 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Zinger calls it. But all those little details are like 187 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: overlooked by a lot of people that are just getting 188 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: into this. It's like, holy crap, what am I gonna do? Yeah? Well, no, 189 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: once they get there. I was when I was elk 190 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: hunting earlier, you know, elk hunting in the beginning of 191 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: September this year. You know, my buddy that I'm hunting with, 192 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: he's from Colorado and he's he's so good in the mountains, 193 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm this idiot that comes from Minnesota, 194 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: and what we you know, we were kind of doing 195 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: some stuff where we'd go in and look at a 196 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: spot or going to spend a day in a spot 197 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: and just try it out in different areas. And I'd 198 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: be like, why don't we just vivy in here? And 199 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna if we're gonna do the 200 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: heavy lift of getting in there, why don't we stay 201 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: for a couple of days? And like twenty seven times 202 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: that week, He's like, there's no water, dude, we don't 203 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: have any water, so we can't, like we can't just 204 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: go in there and get it. And I always forget that, 205 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, like you you just sort of take it 206 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: for granted if you think, oh, I'm just gonna I'm 207 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: gonna hike in here, and it's like, well, water is heavy, 208 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: and if you can't filter it, what are you gonna do? 209 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: And it's it's not so simple. I mean, that's that's 210 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of a Western thing, but like you're talking, it 211 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: can be a white tail concern too. Oh yeah, if 212 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: you're a waste from in a gas station or town 213 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, what are you gonna do? I mean, sometimes 214 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: we're able to filter it if we can camp Like 215 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: we did that in Georgia a few years ago when 216 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: we were hunting down there per deer. We just can't 217 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: next to a stream, and then we filtered with our 218 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: storrier like bag filters. We just fill that thing up 219 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: every night and then we'd wake up in the morning 220 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: our jugs would be full where we would filter it out. 221 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: But we didn't figure that out until we got there. 222 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: It's like we got there and we found this cool campsite, 223 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: and then we're like, okay, where what are we gonna 224 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: do for water? We have some obviously in the truck, 225 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, there's all those things that you just don't 226 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: think about very often. You're staring at the map trying 227 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: to figure out where a deer's gonna be, or where 228 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: people are gonna be so you can avoid them, and 229 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: then you get there and then all of those other 230 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: things are thrown in and then on top of that, 231 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: we're also trying to you know, have our computers plugged 232 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: in the generator so that they don't die and all 233 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: of that. It's yeah, it's an ordeal out there, the 234 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: traveling rodeo always. Yeah. I think that if you're listening 235 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: to this, you should and you're planning a you know, 236 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: an out of state hunt or you've you've gone on 237 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: one and maybe it didn't go the way you thought 238 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: it would. Take some solace in the fact that Aaron 239 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: Warbritton and his crew have been been to seven thousand 240 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: different states over the last ten years, and you guys 241 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: have hunted everywhere, done everything, and you still don't have 242 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: a system that just always works everywhere. It's just no 243 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: matter what you do, you're going to be dealing with 244 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: that stuff. Oh yeah, always gonna be hurdles always. So 245 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: I wonder. I always wonder with you guys, And that's 246 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: that's what I want to talk to you about on 247 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: this podcast, is how how hard it is to maintain 248 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: that balance of you know, you you have a business 249 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: aspect to it in a content production aspect that the 250 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: listener doesn't. The average person doesn't. So that's that's kind 251 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: of out the window for this conversation. But knowing that 252 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: you have that and you're going to hit a bunch 253 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: of different states, and you know, Jake's got a tag here, 254 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Tag's got a tag here, whatever, how is it? How 255 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: easy is it or hard is it for you to 256 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: keep a balance of like thinking about what the deer 257 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: should be doing while you're managing, like juggling all the 258 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: logistics of that life outside of just like the mission 259 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: focus of killing a deer, because that's what most people 260 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: when they go out there, they're like, that's my concern. 261 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: They don't have the other things that you're worried about, necessarily, 262 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: but they have that like how do I find the deer? 263 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: And like, how do you balance that? Because you have 264 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: all that other stuff going on? Whoever's got the tag, 265 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: we've more. We try to let them worry about only that. 266 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: So we try to help whoever has the tag as 267 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: much as we can. And I mean just from the 268 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: standpoint of make sure that they have all the gear 269 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: that they need for a day to get to go 270 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: out and go honey, make sure they got food, make 271 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: sure they got water, all that stuff that we just 272 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: talked about. Make sure that all of those other things 273 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: are buttoned down. Like we're in Arkansas. For example, Nick 274 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: was cooking every night, so as soon as he would 275 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: get done filming or hunting or whatever it is that 276 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: he was doing, he'd come back to the camp and 277 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: he'd start cooking food and he'd cook enough food for 278 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: everybody there. And then I had a tag, but Greg 279 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: was filming me. So Greg's priority is just filming and 280 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: capturing footage, and my priority is trying to figure out 281 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: how to kill the deer. So you guys have our 282 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: roles and you just say, yeah, we have our different roles, 283 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: and then we go to the next place and then 284 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: we switch and you know, I'm filming and editing or 285 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is. And that's kind of how we roll. 286 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: We usually end up with groups of like three four 287 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: guys when we go somewhere, and we may only have 288 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: one tag or two tags, but the everybody's got their 289 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: role is in camp so that all of those things 290 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: are taken care of. Yeah, because I've had to do 291 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: that where you're juggling tend everything and never ends well, 292 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: it's just like never well, And I mean that's kind 293 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: of a that's the situation, you know, I've talked about 294 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: quite a bit where it's amazing, you know when you 295 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: when you do enough hunts over the road where you know, 296 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: you take a buddy along and their wife calls and 297 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: she's pissed off before you even get there, and you 298 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: see how it changes, changes the dynamic, changes the mission, 299 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: and it's never for the better. Or you know, like 300 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: we talked about, something goes wrong. You know, you get 301 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: the second flat tire in three days and you got 302 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: to deal with that and you got a half a 303 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: day into town to Wally World to get it changed 304 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. And you see how quickly just things can 305 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: just sort of suck away the focus, and man, it 306 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: just makes it that much harder to be successful out there. 307 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: So you guys have kind of just morphed into understanding 308 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: who has you know, ABCD role on the hunt? You 309 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: stick to it and everybody. Once everybody has that kind 310 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: of defined role, it's like, Okay, now all these pieces 311 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: are working together and not take can away from the 312 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: other one and you can just keep going and killing deer. Yeah, 313 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: that's essentially how we do it. Oh that's interesting. I 314 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: think I think it would be really easy for a 315 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: lot of people to assume, you know, with a guy 316 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: like you and all the content you guys produce in 317 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: the fall and all the travel and time away from 318 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: home and everything that when it hits you know, January, February, March, 319 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: like we're at now, you're probably like, I don't want 320 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: to be in the woods. I don't want to think 321 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: about deer. I don't want to have to deal with this. 322 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: But you're actually really into winter scouting. We were talking 323 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: about this before the podcast, and you kind of view 324 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: it as sort of almost a relief from not having 325 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: to hunt and getting to answer some questions for yourself. 326 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the mistakes that you make throughout the fall. 327 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Because my buddy Joe Elsinger puts it a real good way. 328 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: He basically said, bow hunting is like you get one 329 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: or two guess is right all year. So when you're hunting, 330 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: you you're gonna guess like forty or fifty times times 331 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: if you hunt that many times in a given year, 332 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: and if you guess right one time, you're going to 333 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: end up with potentially a filled tag. And that's kind 334 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: of what you're doing all fall is You're just you're 335 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: going in there and you're making a mistake. After mistake 336 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: after mistake. Now before you go into those individual hunts, 337 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: you think you got to think to yourself and have 338 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: the confidence like I'm going into this betting area, this 339 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: big bucks betted right here, and he's going to come 340 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: out on this trail. But you know, ninety five percent 341 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,479 Speaker 1: of the time it doesn't work like that. I say 342 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: percent of the time. Yes, I mean you blow him 343 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: out of there, he's not there, he comes in from 344 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: a different direction than you weren't expecting, your wind switches. 345 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we could go on for weeks with things 346 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: that happen, but essentially that's what you're doing in postseason 347 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: right now, or that's what I like to do, is 348 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: like go back and solve for all the mistakes that 349 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: I made throughout the fall, So go in. For example, 350 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: I was hunting a really big one last fall for 351 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: like a week and a half where I had pictures 352 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: of him in an area that was new to me. 353 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: I had scouted it before a little bit, but I 354 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: haven't scouted the whole piece, and he was coming out 355 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: of this set of ridges that I'd never been into before, 356 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to just dive right in there 357 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: and blow him out because I was getting him on 358 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: two or three cameras. They're pretty regular, and like, I 359 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: got a chance at him before the pressure really hits 360 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: here and the rut because this was the late October hunt. 361 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: It was at Iowa, Okay, Yeah, and Iowa where we're at, 362 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: the pressure really ramps up early in November. And I 363 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: was getting this buck mid October into the late October. 364 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, and I was getting pictures of him on 365 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: an access path like I had. I had a camera 366 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: set up there to monitor people and deer over a scrape, 367 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: but I did not expect to get any deer during 368 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: daylight on this thing. I figured it might get a 369 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: big buck or two, but I figured it was gonna 370 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: be a two in the morning. But this thing starts 371 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: showing up right on the edge of daylight and a 372 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: couple of times during daylight walking this trail, and I 373 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: didn't get any pictures of people for like two weeks 374 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: down this thing, and it was like unbelievable. I was 375 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: getting pictures texted, you know, to my phone on this 376 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: cell camera, and I had no I would just assume 377 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: that there was going to be people in there all 378 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: the time, and I knew there would become November because 379 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: that's when the floodgates open. Everybody saves their weeklong vacation 380 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: hunts first week in November happens every year, So I 381 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: knew I had to kill this thing really quick, well, 382 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: if I was to kill him anyway. I got in 383 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: there and I tried to be as aggressive as I 384 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: could without bumping him out of the area. But I 385 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: was unfamiliar with it, and I never saw him. I 386 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: hunted in there like ten different times over the course 387 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: of a few weeks. Never saw the buck. So now 388 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: getting back to it, it's postseason. I want to go 389 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: in there and figure out where in the heck he 390 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: was coming from and what he was doing. And I 391 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: can kind of saw for some of those equations that 392 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: were left unanswered. Right now, I might not be able 393 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: to figure everything out, but I might be. I can 394 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: go in there with a clear mind. Now, just blow 395 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: the whole thing up, dive into those ridges, and figure 396 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: out everything that went on last fall. Because you can't 397 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: do that in the faller you risk flowing him out, 398 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, and then having to start over. What do 399 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: you what would you say to somebody who would be 400 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: like I have watched Zach Farronbell run across much of 401 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: the Midwest. Yeah, and seem to seem to go through everything, 402 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: because that's the way you're talking. Seems like a much 403 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: different style than the way he would go about it. 404 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes we both hunt, we both hunt similarly. Actually, it 405 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: just depends on the situation. Like if I'm going in 406 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: somewhere where I have no intel whatsoever, I'm going to 407 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: get the wind in my face and be super aggressive, 408 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: and I might even plow right through betting areas because 409 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm searching for a buck to hunt, or I'm searching 410 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: for a good spot, and you keep the wind in 411 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: your face because if you bump one with the wind 412 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: in your face and he doesn't smell you, there's a 413 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: better chance that he's not going to react as negatively 414 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: as he would if he did smell you. Yeah, But 415 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: in this situation, I had intel telling me there was 416 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: a big buck in there, and he was really close 417 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: to that spot, so I didn't you know, I didn't 418 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: go in there completely blind, and I wasn't as aggressive 419 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: as I would have others as I would have been otherwise. Now, 420 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: for better or worse, that's just how it worked out. 421 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad you explained that because I think it's easy 422 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: to look at you guys kind of like it's always 423 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: just foot on the gas, but it's foot on the 424 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: gas in specific situations till there's a good reason to 425 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: pump the brakes and then you know, and that's something 426 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: it's so hard to sort of convey that message a 427 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: lot of times when you talk about like a kind 428 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: of an aggressive mobile strategy, is like, that's a great 429 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: strategy in some situations if you know how to rein 430 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: it in or use it. Like so it's not just 431 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: like this cavalier thing where you're like, I don't care 432 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: if I blow them out because they're gonna come back whatever. 433 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: It's not. It's not so simple like there's a there's 434 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: a given take there where you're like, I know, I 435 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: need to know more now, and as soon as I 436 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: start learning just enough, then it's time to just back 437 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: off and go now I play it safe and figure 438 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: out what's what's going on here. Oh yeah, definitely. We've 439 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: bump and dumped a few of them over the years, 440 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: but every time it's it's under very specific scenarios like that. 441 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you'll even see us when we're when we're 442 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: hunting out west and we're being super aggressive and trying 443 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: to get in the bed with them. We're glassing from 444 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: a high nob or something early in the morning. We're 445 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: trying to spot him first and then get that little 446 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: piece of intel and then booms, go in there and strike. Um. 447 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: It just is so situational. Yeah, I mean, spooking a 448 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: buck in the rut that's locked down with the dough 449 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: is much different than spooking a buck in early October 450 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: and he smells you and say you're hunting a betting 451 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: area that's at the corner of public, and you walk 452 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: into that bettering area, blow him out, and he goes 453 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: on the private next door. He may not visit that 454 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: betting area again for a few weeks. Conversely, or in 455 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: a different example, if you got four thousand acres of 456 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: timber and there's a couple really solid spots in the 457 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: middle of it, you got more room for error because 458 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: if you bump them out of there, they may only 459 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: go through four hundred yards before they reset, and that 460 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: may still be on property you can hunt on. So 461 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: it all depends on the situation you're dealing with. Well, yeah, 462 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: and I think I think it's really easy especially if 463 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: you hunt public land to just kind of convince yourself, 464 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: if I jump him, this program's over for a while. 465 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: But man, there's so many times where, like you said, 466 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: depends how the wind's going, like what kind of a 467 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: bump was it? Like, you know, like what happened? You know, 468 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: it's so different kind of trucking through there looking for 469 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: some sign and seeing a white flag go off in 470 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: the distance on the other end of the clearing or 471 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: something versus you know, climbing up in that tree and 472 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: looking over and he's watching you set it up and 473 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: now he takes off, or you know what, there's like 474 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: I've started, you know, I grew up thinking, you know, 475 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: if they saw you, you're done. If you jumped him, 476 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: you're done like they or you're never going to see anything. 477 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: And the more you hunt, you realize, like, man, it's 478 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: not so simple. Like sometimes you jump a big one 479 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: and you think it's over and you set up and 480 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: he comes back like forty five minutes later, and you're 481 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: on public land and you're like this is like this 482 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: should not happen. And then sometimes you don't see him 483 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: again for three weeks or they are truly gone and 484 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: it's there's so much to it. But what I want 485 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: to go back to something you said with you know, 486 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: Joe's advice on you know, you might you might make 487 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: two good guesses right out of fifty in a season, 488 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: and that that's like almost universally true for unless you 489 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: have like a really banging spot to hunt, that's kind 490 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: of a different kind of deal. But for most people, 491 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: I believe that, Like I I think that the best 492 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: hunters have just figured out how to get comfortable with 493 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: what they got wrong, and they've figured out these things 494 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: like we're talking about with the winner scouting, where you're like, 495 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm not happy with that with only two. I want 496 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: three or four because if I do three or four, 497 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: you know, that might be three or four encounters and 498 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: I might kill two, you know, because if you get 499 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: two right, you might have those two encounters. You might 500 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: have buck fever on wine, he might you know whatever. 501 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, at that point when you're bow hunting, 502 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of luck involved. Once it 503 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: gets to that point, it's like just getting the opportunity. Though. 504 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: If you can get yourself in those positions, you will 505 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: eventually start killing more of them. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 506 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: I mean you just don't. I mean I hunted forty 507 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: some times with a bow in Iowa, and most people 508 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: are like, oh, yeah, you know, you go to Iowa 509 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: for a week in the rut, you're gonna shoot one 510 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: fifty on public lant. It's like, and maybe you, but not, um, 511 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: not not this year. At least um some years it 512 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: does work that way. But this year, I just I 513 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: had three or four bucks that I knew about that 514 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: we're really either there. There was one of them was 515 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: really old that I was trying to kill, and then 516 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: there was a couple more that were really big antler bucks, 517 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: and I had just kind of played them close to 518 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: my vest and tried to those deer for a large 519 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: percentage of the fall. And I regret doing that, honestly. 520 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: I wish I would have done way more stuff like 521 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: we were just talking about, where you just go in 522 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: blind to an area into the wind and you kind 523 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: of figure it out as you go. I seem to do. 524 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: I seem to almost do better as far as stilling 525 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: tags doing that then I do. Sitting back and watching 526 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: cameras and things like that, Like trail cameras will totally 527 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: screw your brain up at times, if you put too 528 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: much information or if you infer too much from that information. 529 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: But these deer, there was one that was really, really big, 530 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: and it's like, man, I got a couple of pictures 531 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: of him. I didn't think none of it, and then 532 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: he showed up on daylight and daylight on that camera. 533 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: It's like, man, he's right there, he's living there close by. 534 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: You don't get an opportunity to hunt one that is 535 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: this big very often on public. So I just threw 536 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of hunts at him and never did any good. 537 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: If I could go back and redo things, it would 538 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: have been or aggressive. Yeah, but he was showing up 539 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: on these cameras, So it's like you're you know, what 540 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: decision do you make? Do you sit right there where 541 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: the camera's at, or pretty close by where he's gonna 542 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: where he's coming by there occasionally it's safe you can 543 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: get in and out of there, or do you push 544 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: in even further? And I did a little bit of 545 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: both with no success. But that's why I want to 546 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: go back in there right now, is to kind of 547 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: figure out what I screwed up, or what I did wrong, 548 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: or where he potentially could have been. Because I'm assuming 549 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: I'll learn a bunch of things and see a bunch 550 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: of mistakes that I made. Yeah, that the way you're 551 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: talking is exactly how I feel. If I want to 552 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: have an unenjoyable season, just show me a picture of 553 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: a really big buck where I'm hunting, Because I don't. 554 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: I start to second guess, and I feel like it 555 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: sort of just takes me out of that like day 556 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: to day rhythm of what did you see? What sign 557 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: did you bump into? Like what's what's going on right now? 558 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: And for me, I know some people are really good 559 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: at that. That is not my style either. And I 560 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: look at this like like you're talking about when you 561 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: find that situation, you know, you look at it and go, Okay, 562 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: you had this giant, you had some intel on him, 563 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, going down this trail you didn't expect doing 564 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: a few things maybe you weren't Like You're like, maybe 565 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: he shouldn't be doing that, but he is. So what now? 566 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: But you go in there and what you learn from 567 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: that or what you will with this winner scouting, that'll 568 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: feed so much of your hunting beyond the interest in 569 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: that buck, whether he's still there or not or whatever. 570 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: And that's I learned that years ago on some public 571 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: land by my house in the Twin Cities where I 572 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: found a giant shit. My dog actually found it, and 573 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: it changed the course of like a couple years of 574 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: my life because this was like a booner on public 575 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: land buy my house in the Twin Cities. You know, 576 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: like a situation where you're like, yeah, and you know, 577 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: I actually found that buck the first time I went 578 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: into glass where I thought he was going to be, 579 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: and there he was, and there was two other good 580 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: ones with him, and I was like, oh my god, 581 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: and it dude. I hunted for thirty days straight for 582 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: that deer, and you know, I left one day because 583 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: I had to go to a funeral and I was like, 584 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: it got to the point where I was like, I 585 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: don't I'm not enjoying it. I ended up killing the 586 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: smallest buck that was in the trio, which was still 587 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: a good one. He was the one that stuck around, 588 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I think he was the only one who 589 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: didn't go live in somebody's backyard because there's some subdivisions 590 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: and stuff there. But what it made me do is 591 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: I win or scouted the crap out of that area. 592 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: There was cattail slews and stuff, and I just found 593 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: some spots where it's like, Okay, I'm never gonna kill 594 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: that booner. Probably I thought I had a chance, didn't 595 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: work out. But what it did is it put me 596 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: on some spots that other bucks used for years and 597 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: just showed me like, Okay, that special deer was there 598 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: and he was doing that thing that wasn't an accident, 599 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: and other deer or kind of satellite around him and 600 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: doing similar things, and it just makes you look at 601 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: that offseason process differently. And even though maybe that dear's 602 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: the motivation, what you're out there finding is just like 603 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm just learning about the bucks here and what they 604 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: like to do year to year, and that's so valuable. Well, 605 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: right now you have no foliage on ye, which is 606 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: a tremendous asset. If it's cold enough, things are frozen, 607 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: so you can get to places a lot quicker than 608 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: you could have otherwise. And on top of that, you're 609 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: basically looking at a chessboard after the game has been played, 610 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: and you're able to look at all these moves that 611 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: were made by you and them in a sense and 612 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: then assess what went wrong. So I go in there, 613 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people get tripped up 614 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: when we get to talk about hunting beds. They go 615 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: in there postseason and they find some beds with hair 616 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: in them and they're like, Okay, I gotta hunt right 617 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: here over this bed. Like, No, don't think about it 618 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: that way, because deer in March in February may be 619 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: in completely different spots than they were in October and November. 620 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: Like they may be using that area for different reason. Now, 621 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: that's good that you found the sign, but think about 622 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: why it's there and what else is going on in 623 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: their environment during that time. But I would I really 624 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: get pumped up about is finding scrapes from last fall. 625 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: Finding rubs from last fall. You can even look at 626 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: like some rubs you can tell what time of the 627 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: fall they were laid down. Like you may find a 628 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: group of rubs that is starting to get they look older, 629 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: like they just are they're kind of cresting over, they're 630 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: losing that color, that brighter color, and you may be 631 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: able to infer that those were left when the velvet 632 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: was coming off in September from a bachelor group. You 633 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: know it was feeding on an oak flatter or whatever. 634 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: But then you may find other rubs that are fresher 635 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: that came towards the back half of the rut. That 636 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: deer's doing something entirely different than the other deer that 637 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: would leaving those rubs there. And the biggest thing is, 638 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: and we talked about this before the podcast, because I 639 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: want to get into the middle of those thick, nasty 640 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: and early betting areas and I want to scout every 641 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: trail in and out of them. I want to find 642 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: the beds that are in there, because those are the 643 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: areas A lot of times those really thick betting areas, 644 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: and some are not that thick. I mean it's situation 645 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: once again, but some of those betting areas they will 646 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: use during different times of the year. They may or 647 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: may not be there right now, but it may be 648 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: a situation where if oaks drop and there's a bunch 649 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: of white oak acorns in there in early October, they 650 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: may be you know, socked in there during October and 651 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: bow season. Ye see, you always have to kind of 652 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: be thinking ahead and behind, like how the deer using 653 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: the landscape as so much as changing, because that's always 654 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that's where I always get tripped up 655 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: from where so many people do is they don't realize 656 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: in the White Tills world, things are changing every single week, 657 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: not just throughout the fall, but also throughout the winter 658 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: and even the summer at times. But if you can 659 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: find some commonalities in the secure areas that they're using 660 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: to live in, then you can take some of that 661 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: information directly from march scouting and tie it into what 662 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: you find. Like you're talking about finding that shed. If 663 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: you find a shed or a deadhead or something like that, 664 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: especially if you scout that area in multiple years and 665 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: you find big dead bucks in there over and over again, 666 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: there's something secure about that area and those bucks are 667 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: choosing to go there to die. And you'll find that 668 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: the more you track dear that people hit in the 669 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: fall and that they hit marginally, it's like they will 670 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: go to their most secure location where they feel the safest, 671 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: and they will give away a lot of their cards 672 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: right there in those moves when they do that, So 673 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: you can you're looking for all those little bit of 674 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: clues to kind of tie together. But you can learn 675 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: so much, especially with that foliage being off Man. That's 676 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 1: I scout a lot in the summer because that's the 677 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: time when I have available as well. A lot of 678 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: times we scout in February, in January and then the 679 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: first remarks, But then you know, we leave a go turken, 680 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: so we pick up our scout and again in the summer. 681 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: But it is so much harder in the summer to 682 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: find last fall sign because it's just green and full 683 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: of ticks and hotter than hell. So yeah, I mean 684 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: I kind of look at it like my winter scouting 685 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: is the time for me to learn the land first 686 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 1: and the deer second. Yes, summer I'm learning deer what 687 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: they're what are they doing now that I can play 688 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: into like on an opening week or whatever type of strategy, 689 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: and then the land second. And I'll tell you what 690 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: man like when you said that about when you go out, 691 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, you walk out there in March and you 692 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: look at rubs and you find a you know, a 693 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: giant you know, signpost type rub that's got a ton 694 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: of shavings, you know, still kind of hanging off of it, 695 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: and you're like that that's like November first or Halloween. 696 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, like that big bastard he spent some time 697 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: on it. And you're like, that's great. But when you 698 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: find those that concentration of rubs in a different spot, 699 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: maybe out a little closer toward the fields or something, 700 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, those are a little older and 701 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: they're not as big, and you know people look at 702 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: that and go not as cool, right, like not as important. 703 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: And to me, like you were talking about in Iowa, 704 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: when you get out there in October before the masses 705 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: get out there, I look at that stuff and I go, 706 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: if I can find early rubs, man, oh dude, I 707 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: will take that. Like when I drew. The last time 708 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: I drew Iowa was twenty twenty, and you know, I 709 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: hunted Opener and then the middle week into October because 710 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: I had to go film some stuff in November, and 711 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: I found three spots with some concentrations or early rubs. 712 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't like blow you away sign, but you're like, 713 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, like they're they're staging here and they're moving 714 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: around a little bit. There were good bucks in every spot, 715 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like the kind of sign that would 716 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: just blow you away, but it was like they were 717 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: using this enough, you better get eyes on this area. 718 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: And every one of them had big deer on public land. 719 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: And it's the timing where I did the same thing. 720 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know there's gonna be tons of people 721 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: out if I don't. If I don't, you know, if 722 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I get if I have to come back in mid 723 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: November because I haven't filled my tag, I know I'm 724 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: going to be dealing with a ton of people. It's 725 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: a different situation. But you find that kind of stuff. 726 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: That's an advantage you have over the competition that winter 727 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: scouting gives you in a way that like I think 728 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of overlook it. Yeah, And 729 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: if you know the land man, that's just so key. 730 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: That's such a huge deal, just to know the little 731 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: subtleties in the terrain. Even it's like it where that 732 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: big buck is laid up when I'm getting pictures of 733 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: him on that camera, I'm pretty sure it's on one 734 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: of three secondary points ridges that come out, and I 735 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: did not know how that lays through there. So in 736 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: the wintertime, when you can go in there with no 737 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: leaf cover, if you can find ways to hide from 738 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: that betting area. Right now, because you're not only scouting 739 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: for deer sign, you're also thinking about like how to 740 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: get in and out of these places without burger and 741 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: deer and if you can come up with a plan 742 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: to get in and out of those areas right now 743 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: when there's no leaf cover on early October, you're set 744 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: because you got way more covered during that time. Because 745 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: that's I mean, we talk about this a lot. You're 746 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: always trying to get close enough to kill them during 747 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: the day because if you're sitting back too far, they're 748 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: getting too that they're leaving a bunch of that sign there, 749 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: but they're not getting there until nine to ten pm, yep, 750 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: and you're out of the game. You're just leaving your 751 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: scent there for him to figure you out. So we're 752 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: always trying to get close. You're always trying to get close, 753 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: and that is man. When you know the lay of 754 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: the land, you just have a card that a lot 755 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: of other people don't have to play, especially if it's 756 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of non residents coming in in early November 757 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: that haven't spent a bunch of time scouting boots on 758 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: the ground, like they don't they don't know all of 759 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: those little subtleties in there. They may not know where 760 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: that little ditch depression is that only drops you two feet, 761 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: but it drops you just enough to get out of sight. 762 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: From bedded deer that are hundred yards away. Yep. Yeah, 763 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: so important. And like that that big one that you're 764 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: talking about on in Iowa that you were hunting last year, 765 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: When you think about a deer like that, get a 766 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: getting a picture of that deer on an access trail 767 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: is something just about any any like even halfway competent 768 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: hunter could come by, you know, like that's that's not 769 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: high level stuff, right, Like that's low level. But if 770 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: you go out winter scout now and you find a 771 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: couple of rub lines pointed in that direction or pointed 772 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: away from that direction, and then you find those secondary points, 773 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: you go up there, maybe find a big bed here 774 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: or there. Now, if that big one's using that next year, 775 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: or somebody takes his spot because he's out because he 776 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: got killed or whatever, now you know, like okay, if 777 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 1: if the average guy gets a picture of that buck 778 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: on the trail, he's set up over that access trail, right, 779 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: they're doing exactly what I did this year exactly. Yeah. 780 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: But if you're the only one that knows that that 781 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: intel that you're talking about, yeah, yeah, if you if 782 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: you go out and winter scout that and backtrack that 783 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: a little bit, now, you go, okay, if somebody else 784 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: gets on this or that deer, let's say that deer's 785 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: getting there ten minutes before shooting light ends two times 786 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: a week or something, and you go, okay, I could 787 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: kill him on the scrape on this access trail, But 788 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: where's he more killable? One hundred and fifty yards back 789 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: there on that like like somewhere between where his bed 790 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: is where that is, and you'll you'll be in a 791 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: different position than most hunters already because of one or 792 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: two or three winter scrouting sessions where you go in 793 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: there and you go the sign kind of shows me this, 794 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: the rubs show me this, and I know he was 795 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: there a few times. That's the kind of stuff I 796 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: look at and I go, okay. Instead of getting those 797 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: questions right twice a season, now you might get it 798 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: three or four just from that. Oh exactly that and 799 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: that man, that is an ace in the hole because 800 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: you've got lots of those little areas across the landscape, 801 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: and everybody in their dog knows where that access path is. 802 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: It's the easiest way to get in and out of there. 803 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: I mean, so whenever people show up, that's exactly that's 804 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: where they're going to go. That's very predictable. But you 805 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: have all of these other areas around there are pretty 806 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: tight and small, and people don't even think about diving 807 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: in down this ridge. It just there's fifteen ridges that 808 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: all look the same all the way down through there, 809 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: and there's two or three of them that have points 810 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: that drop off into this little bottom that are thick, 811 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: but you can't really see it from anarial photo. They're 812 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: thick enough to hold a couple of deer, and that's it. 813 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: But if you've done that scouting, and if you go 814 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: in there during march, you can see that right now, 815 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: Whereas if you're going in there completely blind in the fall, 816 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: that is really difficult to see without just blowing the 817 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,959 Speaker 1: whole area out, which is what I should have done. 818 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: I should. I wish that I would have never had 819 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: the camera there, because I feel like I would have 820 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: had a better chance of killing him because I would 821 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: have went in there, like we talked about earlier. I 822 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,399 Speaker 1: would have went in there and went straight to those 823 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: betting areas with the wind in my face, and I 824 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: would have risked bumping him out of there to get 825 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: the intel that I needed to know where to hunt. 826 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: Ye instead, I kind of instead, I just stage hunted 827 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: in there, and I felt like I was getting closer, 828 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: but then the pressure hit and gone, He's gone as 829 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: soon as people start going up and down that path. 830 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: No more. Yep. But I think that you'd probably see 831 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: with that buck, at least maybe in the October time frame, 832 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: where if you, if you could have got in there 833 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: and figured him out a little bit better, he might 834 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: have not been that far away from that access trail, 835 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: and he might he might have known everybody who was 836 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: walking in there, like because you see that. I saw 837 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: that This year I hunted some public land in southwestern 838 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota that you know, i'd been pheasant hunting. This was 839 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: my first time deer hunting it, and there was a 840 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: spot at this river bottom spot. I was real curious 841 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: in I went in and kind of speed scouted it 842 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: a couple of times and didn't. I didn't fall in 843 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: love with it. It was okay, but I ended up 844 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: jumping a big deer right by the parking area on 845 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: my way back one day. So I had walked out 846 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: by him one through one area, came back and I 847 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: must have made him nervous and got up wind of 848 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 1: him or something and he took off, and in my head, 849 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: I was like, there was there's a lesson there, like 850 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, But I had three days to work with, 851 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: I had other stuff, so I didn't hunt it. And 852 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: then I went back there right after the Minnesota gun 853 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: season ended. I went pheasant hunting in there, and the 854 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,479 Speaker 1: first thing we did is pulled into that access area. 855 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: My buddy pointed over in the woods. He goes, look 856 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: at that, and there was like a one twenty five 857 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: one thirty standing there in the woods right off of there. 858 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's the same deer or not, 859 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: but where he was was forty yards away from where 860 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: I jumped that deer out of a brush pile, And 861 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm going, man, there's a river there. There's there's ways 862 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: to get out, Like if you want to know, if 863 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: somebody's in there with you, you could be there and 864 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: bedded and you can make a decision to lay there 865 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: tight like he did the first time and let you 866 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: walk by. Or if you know, seven guys get out 867 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: of their trucks to make a drive, he can bail 868 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: across the river into private land. And the advantage is 869 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: like so distinct when you start figuring it out and 870 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: I went, I bet I should have probably been there, 871 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: and I should have figured it a way to park 872 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: way down the road and sneak in there and catch 873 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: that dude off guard when he came back through the river. 874 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: And I just you see stuff like that, and I'm actually, 875 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to head back down there and just a 876 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: little bit and look around because it's kind of haunting 877 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: me knowing that we jumped another good buck in there 878 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: in the willows, you know, maybe a quarter of a 879 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: mile away, And I go, that's two big deer after 880 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: the Minnesota gun season on public land, and I just 881 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: missed it during bow season. But I think, like you're 882 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,720 Speaker 1: talking about, with a winter scouting session in there, everything's frozen. 883 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: I can get everywhere I want to. And I'm like, 884 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna answer one of those questions, like I'm 885 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: gonna get a little bit of intel that's going to 886 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: feed into next season. You're always just building. You're just 887 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: building and building and building to try to increase your odds. 888 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's all it is. Like, that's all it 889 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: basically boils down to, is you're just learning these little 890 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: bitty tidbits here and there and everywhere. And then eventually 891 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: they lead to you shooting a buck, and then you 892 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: can then you can retrace that in your mind and realize, like, 893 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: oh man, when we came in here five years ago 894 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: shed hunting. I learned how to get down this creek. 895 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: I realize that this is only knee deep water, and 896 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: I can come in here with a pair of hip 897 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: boots and get up this thing. And you overlook those 898 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: little details like that at the time, but when you 899 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: are after it's over and you really have time to 900 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of decompress and look at the hole, you realize, 901 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: like those little details were incredibly important and things that 902 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: most people don't know going into that. So like most 903 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: folks didn't know to look over there where that buff 904 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: was at. But you know, since you bumped him out 905 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: of there, now you're like you're glued to that spot 906 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: because you're expecting that pattern to repeat itself. But what 907 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: tripped me up on this big deer was all the 908 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time, as you know, filming 909 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: hunts on private land that is very unpressured, and those 910 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: deer don't act the same way that public land pressured 911 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: deer or private land pressure deer. I mean it shouldn't 912 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: matter public private. It just comes down to huge pressure's pressure. 913 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: But like on a big chunk of private landor there's 914 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: only one guy hunted and the deer are largely unpressured. 915 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: They act different, like they will walk down an access 916 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: path during the daylight, or they'll pop out on a 917 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: little food pot, you know, next to a beating area 918 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: during the daylight, and you can pattern them and you 919 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: can kill them. Well, what happened to me was I 920 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of experience with self cams, like 921 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: I've used them a little bit. I love trail cameras, 922 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: and I like leaving them in a spot for an 923 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: entire year and then going back through and being able 924 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: to dissect when bucks used it and figure out how 925 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: they used it or what food sources they were using, 926 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: Like I'll put it up over honey locus pods to 927 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: see what time of year deer start feeding on them, 928 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: Like I love him for that reason. But anyway, I 929 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: was using these cell cameras for the first time this 930 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: last fall, and they really just mess my brain up 931 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: because I got pictures of this buck on this access 932 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: path and no people. So for like two weeks straight, 933 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: there was not a person, and I'm like, man, if 934 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: a person is going into this section of woods, they 935 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 1: are walking that path, They're not coming in here any 936 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: other way. They're going down that dang path. And then 937 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 1: more and more Bucks started showing up. This big Bucks 938 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: started showing up, getting closer and closer to daylight than 939 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: he's on there in daylight. And I'm thinking to myself, like, 940 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 1: from the days of filming guys on, you know, manage 941 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: land where you can manage the pressure. It's like just 942 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: going there and hunting like that, because he's gonna walk 943 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: right through there until I get pictures of somebody else 944 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: walking down that path. He's gonna come down that path 945 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: because he hasn't got any pressure. That line of thinking 946 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: obviously didn't work, but that's that's what was going through 947 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: my mind at the time, was when dear don't have 948 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: pressure on them, they act much differently. But what I 949 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: overlooked was the fact that these deer live in an 950 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: area where there is pressure and they have encountered it before, 951 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: and that that changes their habits permanently in some ways, 952 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: like they're betting habits. And I've all the stuff I'd 953 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,439 Speaker 1: learned just went out the window, and you know big 954 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: Hank showed up. I think that's a good point, though, Aaron, 955 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: because like I think, you know, I mean, there's a 956 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: situation where you go in there and you sat there 957 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: and you do kill that dear like partially been there 958 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: day before. He walks right by, But I mean you 959 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: got to look at that and go even okay, so 960 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: that deer is acting like he kind of lives on 961 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: unpressured ground, partially because he's not getting pressured at that moment. 962 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: The difference there is you go in there and you 963 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: make a mistake, it's over. His reaction to your mistake 964 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: is not going to be the same as that reaction 965 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: to those deer on that well managed private land, you know, 966 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: but it's still like a possibility, like you could still 967 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: do it. But when you go and you find that situation, 968 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: you second guess yourself and you're dealing with cell cameras 969 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't know should I should I 970 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: not like what I know about deer, this doesn't make sense. 971 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: But then you go and you win or scout that 972 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: for a year and now you're like, I don't just 973 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 1: have to go hunt him over that scrape on that 974 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: access trail, Like now I can play this like I'm 975 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: hunting a public land buck. Even though he's kind of 976 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: acting like he's not getting a lot of pressure. I 977 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: can play him better. And I know, like that deer. Okay, 978 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: maybe he's daylighting here a little bit, and he might 979 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: be killable, but there's a staging area to one hundred 980 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 1: yards away down below that bluff or that ridge point 981 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: where he's really killable, like you might you might be 982 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: able to observe him and see exactly what he does 983 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: in person one night, move that two hundred yards and 984 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: kill him without ever bumping him or laying down a 985 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: cent trail that he's gonna So like there's I mean, 986 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: it's just like but that's that's part of the fun 987 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: of it, right, Like it's it's the reality that you 988 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: sit there and you go, you know, like I think 989 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people would be like if Aaron Warbritton 990 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: encounter is a big one on an Iowa public land, 991 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna have a pretty good plan pop into 992 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: his head instantly and you go, Man, just depends on 993 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: the situation. That's so simply nah. I mean, some of 994 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 1: them just put themselves in terrible spots for them to live. 995 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 1: But it doesn't. It doesn't happen like that very often. Right, 996 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: most of the time you have to find some little 997 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: chink in the armor where you can get in there 998 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 1: and exploit a weakness in their plan. Yeah, and what 999 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: we've already found with that buck that we're talking about 1000 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: is that not only him, but many of those bucks 1001 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: are betting. And you can probably guess it within sight 1002 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,240 Speaker 1: of that access trail. Yep. Ye. So I come walking 1003 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: down that access path to hunt where that camera is 1004 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: and guess what, I don't see anything. You know why 1005 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: that is? It's because that thing is laying there a 1006 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: hundred yards away where he can see the access path 1007 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,320 Speaker 1: because people walk down it often. And that starts to 1008 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: make sense, you know, at this time of year, when 1009 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: we were able to go in there and figure that out. 1010 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: But now I'm thinking, like, after scouting in their summon, 1011 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: I'm going back in there because I got two or 1012 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: three more ridges I want to scout in the next 1013 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: couple of days. But after scouting that sum I've already 1014 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: found ways to come in from the back door and 1015 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: get into those bedding areas, potentially in the morning before daylight, 1016 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 1: using a creek system that I had never been in before, 1017 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: and I didn't go into this last year because I 1018 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: was afraid of bumping them out of there. So all 1019 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: these things, I mean, sort of confirm what we're talking about. 1020 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: Like you you just mentioned that example up there where 1021 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: you've got bucks that are monitoring pressure on public and 1022 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,439 Speaker 1: that's something we see all the freaking time, all the time. 1023 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,879 Speaker 1: And I just I did. I got caught up in 1024 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: that damn in that trail camera, and I just figured 1025 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: out this access path is a nice and quiet, it's 1026 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: wet um, it just rained. I can be I can 1027 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: move super slow, and I can set up right on it. 1028 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: I can make hardly any noise. But what we noticed 1029 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 1: is like we kept bumping deer as we were walking in, 1030 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are they betted right here on 1031 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: top of this thing? And like I'll see them bedded 1032 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: off the side of a parking lot or whatever in 1033 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: an area where you're not gonna bump them when you 1034 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: walk in, but where they can watch you or they 1035 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: can slide out undefected. But yeah, that's what we've found already, 1036 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: is the dang things are bedded off of this little 1037 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: point that's one hundred, one hundred and fifty yards in 1038 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,879 Speaker 1: the camera and they can see everything that's going on 1039 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: where that human human travel is at and all they 1040 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: gotta do is bounce off the end of a ridge 1041 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: and you've got no idea they there. But that's so 1042 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: when you when you just I have that scenario, though, 1043 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would listen and they go, Okay, 1044 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: well he's unkillable or they're unkillable if he's going to 1045 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: bed there and he's onto this access program. And it's like, 1046 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: that's why you win or scout, because now now you go, 1047 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: I do have a backdoor entrance, like I can get 1048 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: through that, through that creek or whatever. Or instead of 1049 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: just that, you go, now I found another concentration, a 1050 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: sign or a secondary betting ridge or something I can 1051 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: work and so I can be actively hunting and figuring 1052 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: out these deer without just going I have to take 1053 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: that risk that's too high because they're going to be 1054 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,880 Speaker 1: betted right there where they expect nine percent of the 1055 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: hunters to come in. And you give yourself those secondary options. 1056 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: And I think you know, especially when you talk about 1057 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of getting crazy locked into a big deer like that, 1058 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: and you're running those cell cameras and every time your 1059 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: phone dings, you're like, oh God, is it him? Like, 1060 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, you start to get into this mentality that 1061 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 1: it's like he's here and here's my spot, and it's 1062 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: like that deer has a home range of a square mile, 1063 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,280 Speaker 1: so you go instead of you know, like I hate 1064 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: I love cameras. I don't like using cell cameras on 1065 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,359 Speaker 1: public land hunts a lot of times because I know, 1066 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: you know, I might be working on old information even 1067 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: if I'm getting cell camera pictures, and it just it's 1068 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 1: a different deal because of that. And it's like, I 1069 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: don't want to get locked into the idea that I 1070 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: hunt this deer here because that's where I got the 1071 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 1: picture of him. When that deer he might be a 1072 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: half a mile away for half of his life, he 1073 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,359 Speaker 1: might be in a more killable spot somewhere else, or 1074 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,440 Speaker 1: he just might have, you know, three more holes in 1075 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: his routine that are so much better for you to 1076 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: exploit than that one. And if you don't win or 1077 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: scout and figure it out, if you're if you think 1078 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: you're only going to given that information in the fall 1079 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: through cell cameras or hunting, it's not gonna happen. You 1080 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 1: got you got to come in there with that knowledge 1081 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: of the land and the knowledge of the sign. Yeah, 1082 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 1: you're going to fail a lot. That's that what you 1083 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,240 Speaker 1: just said there is is one of the most overlooked things. 1084 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: But these simplest things in bow hunting deer that people 1085 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: just do not think about, including myself in this particular instance, 1086 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: it's like, how do you get in and out of 1087 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: there without burger them? But how do you get close 1088 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: enough to the area of interest? So and also on 1089 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: top of that, how do you get in and out 1090 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: of there to understand what's going on in the area, 1091 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: Like how do you read the sign in that particular 1092 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 1: area to understand what's going on? And when you start 1093 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: introducing those cameras into it, you just you're thinking gets 1094 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: deflected to that when all you gotta do is just 1095 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,840 Speaker 1: get back to basics. You just gotta look like, Okay, 1096 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: there's a really big fresh track right here in this 1097 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: sandy dry creek bed and it's going both ways. There's 1098 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: one coming out and there's one going back in. There's 1099 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of oaks up on that ridge, and there's 1100 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: three or four fresh rubs I can see coming down 1101 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: off of them, and white oaks have been dropping at 1102 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: those elevations this year, so it's like there could be 1103 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: a buck that's bedded up there, and if he's not, 1104 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: he's using this trail to come to and from somewhere 1105 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,360 Speaker 1: here recently. Like just those little tidbits a signer almost 1106 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: that they are more valuable than anything else, or a 1107 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: fresh scrape with pea in it that's right next to 1108 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: a thicket of high stem count cover yep, Like, Okay, 1109 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: he might be home today and that's all that matters. 1110 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: It's like if he's home just today and he's not 1111 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: here for two weeks. If you guess that he's there today, 1112 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 1: you're in the chips yep. Well if you see that 1113 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: sign and you're like, I'm gonna put a camera over 1114 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,439 Speaker 1: at wait till he comes back. Well, then he comes back, 1115 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: you get a picture of him, and then you're like, okay, 1116 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: I'll hunt now. Well he made he's making a loop 1117 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: through there. It's a rut loop in late October. He 1118 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,439 Speaker 1: was there for a day and now he's not gonna 1119 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,279 Speaker 1: be back for seven more. Yeah. I think I think 1120 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: that's one of the most I think that's one of 1121 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: the things we miss with cell cameras a lot is Yeah, 1122 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,399 Speaker 1: you think, Okay, it's gonna show me there's a deer 1123 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,239 Speaker 1: there now, and I'm gonna go in tomorrow and I'm 1124 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,200 Speaker 1: gonna kill him. But what it does is if it 1125 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 1: sends you that picture now and you've got it on 1126 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: that you've got that camera mounted over a scrape, and 1127 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: it's October eighth, and you've had you know, random movement, 1128 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: midnight movement, whatever, and all of a sudden you have 1129 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 1: one evening where there's three bucks visited in daylight and 1130 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: you go, oh, I should have been there today. It's 1131 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: like you better pay attention to what the conditions were, like, 1132 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,280 Speaker 1: what was going on, because next year on October eighth, 1133 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: if it's a cold front or if it's whatever, like 1134 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 1: you even not even hunting that scrape, you might have 1135 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: your night to kill a buck because you have that 1136 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: information that it showed you there's a reason here, or 1137 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: like you said, there's a ramp up to that you know, oh, 1138 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: he's getting there little earlier, a little earlier, a little earlier, 1139 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: Like that's valuable deer intel way outside of just killing 1140 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: that specific deer. If you if you use it right, 1141 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: if you use it wrong, you go, well, that's just 1142 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: I either go in or I kill him now because 1143 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: it showed me or not, or like you're kind of 1144 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: behind the eight ball. Like you said, there's so much 1145 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: more to it, and so I always I like tell people, 1146 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, we get so married to cameras. I'm like, man, 1147 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 1: if you want to run a cell camera on a scrape, 1148 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: you should because you will learn a lot. It might 1149 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: not help you kill a deer on that scrape this season, 1150 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: but it might inform how you hunt scrapes for the 1151 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: rest of your life, because you might be sitting there 1152 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 1: and go everybody else is going, it's the lull. I'm 1153 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: not going to go hunt. You're like, well, I'm hunt 1154 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: in public land. I don't want a bunch of people 1155 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: out there. It's a little warm. But it's October twelfth, 1156 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: the moon's doing this or whatever, and all of a sudden, 1157 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: you're like last year, this week I had five different 1158 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 1: good bucks come in in daylight, and when I didn't 1159 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: think they should be there. That stuff so important, Oh yeah, 1160 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: no doubt, and just knowing the lay of the land, 1161 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 1: like you talked about earlier, this is the time of 1162 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: the year when you can understand that stuff better than 1163 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: any other time. And that's honestly how we killed me 1164 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,800 Speaker 1: and Ted killed a mature buck during the late season 1165 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: in a blizzard there a couple of weeks ago. I 1166 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: think that was right after Christmas. But the reason we 1167 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: killed that thing, and I'm just I'm just kind of 1168 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,880 Speaker 1: remembering that as we're talking. The reason we killed that 1169 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: thing is because as a group, we have intel from 1170 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: past year shed hunting and scouting this area, and it's 1171 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,719 Speaker 1: as simple as knowing the lay of the land. We 1172 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: knew that this particular area had a lot of really 1173 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,279 Speaker 1: good south facing thermal cover like cedars and hedge and 1174 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,239 Speaker 1: really thick stuff. It's all south facing in hills. We 1175 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 1: had a blizzard come in after Christmas, had got down 1176 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 1: a negative nine with wind chills and forty below. Like 1177 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: you're you're more used to that than I am. South 1178 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,839 Speaker 1: of you, so that's like a real shock to the 1179 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: system for us. But it's getting down that cold and 1180 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: we're sitting there looking at maps thinking about where we're 1181 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: gonna hunt. It's like pops into your head. We need 1182 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: to look for south facing stuff where dey're gonna get 1183 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: out of the blizzard and get out of forty below 1184 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: wind chills. So where's a place with north winds? Where 1185 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 1: are some south facing stuff with heavy thermal cover? And 1186 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,640 Speaker 1: we thought about this spot immediately, like me and Ted 1187 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 1: each thought about it. He's like, I was thinking about 1188 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 1: this spot. I was like, I was, just I gotta 1189 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: pulled up. I'm looking at it right now. He's like, 1190 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: that's the spot, man, we gotta get in there, and like, hey, yeah, 1191 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: let's go. We went in there, no camera, intel, no 1192 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 1: nothing all year. We just went in there based on 1193 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: the fact that we knew the lay of the lamb 1194 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 1: before and we anticipated dear to react to those current 1195 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: conditions in the way that they did. And they were. Boy, 1196 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,080 Speaker 1: they were stacked in there. I mean bucks on bucks 1197 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: on Bucks just pushed in there because of that blizzard, 1198 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: trying to escape those conditions, and would have never known 1199 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: that had we not had that prior intel of being 1200 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: in there and walking around. I want to talk about 1201 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 1: something when I saw you. I saw you make that 1202 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: social post the other day about or you know a 1203 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,120 Speaker 1: little while ago about winter scouting and finding some rubs, 1204 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: and you made a point that I think is so 1205 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: important that we kind of overlook is you know, you 1206 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 1: had a rub that was in a like I call 1207 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,479 Speaker 1: it a turkey hunting woods, Like it's the ideal woods 1208 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 1: you want to go put your Yeah, you put your 1209 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: back to a big oak and you call them a 1210 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: gobbler through the woods and it's the best hunt ever. 1211 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: And that's like, that's what you want. But those woods, 1212 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: even though they're pretty and that's kind of what everybody 1213 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 1: wants for turkeys, and you know, like they like looking 1214 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,240 Speaker 1: at it when you have pressure deer. I just like 1215 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: in my experience, they do not. You know, I don't 1216 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: kill him in that kind of woods ever, Like it's 1217 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,439 Speaker 1: always there. No, I mean, it's just it's just not 1218 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 1: like you kill him in the edge cover somewhere that's 1219 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: that's just thicker. And you you talked about stem Count 1220 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: and you said, you know, you look at this rub 1221 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: in the open you go or open woods and you go, yeah, 1222 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: a big buck made it. This is that's great. He 1223 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: lives somewhere around here, this is his neighborhood or whatever. 1224 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: But you don't kill him here because this is probably 1225 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: a nocturnal you know, he probably made it at night. 1226 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: And then you showed a place way thicker, you know, 1227 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: way different kind of habitat you know, it looks like 1228 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: you would be jumping grouse or bunnies out of there, 1229 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: and you go, that's where you're going to kill him. 1230 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: Maybe not right in the middle of it, maybe right 1231 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: on the edge of it, but not out in that 1232 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,919 Speaker 1: open woods. And I think, you know, I think I've 1233 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: been like guilty of not explaining this enough because I've 1234 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: talked about this a lot. But like the you know, 1235 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 1: scrape on the field edge, the rubs way out there, 1236 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,120 Speaker 1: way out toward the field edge, we always like take 1237 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: it for grant and go, okay, that's a nighttime sign. 1238 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 1: Who cares. You get into the woods and you go, 1239 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 1: there's a rub. That's good enough. I'm hunting here next 1240 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: year during the rut because that big rub is here 1241 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: and I found it in March and I got my plan. 1242 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 1: Then you go in there, and if there is a 1243 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: deer around there, they all know you're in there because 1244 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of oak leaves on the ground and 1245 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: they can see for you know, from one end of 1246 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 1: the woods to the other. And you don't kill them. 1247 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: But then after the season, you walk through that thick 1248 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: stuff like you're talking about, maybe you're rabbit hunting or 1249 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: you're just in there winter scouting, and you go, well, 1250 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: there's a huge concentration of you know, maybe smaller rubs 1251 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,479 Speaker 1: in here because the cover is kind of a little 1252 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,480 Speaker 1: bit different. But that's where he's killable. And I think 1253 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,040 Speaker 1: people don't. I think a lot of people don't understand 1254 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 1: the difference between that because the sign looks good, but 1255 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,439 Speaker 1: it's where it's at that makes it not so good. 1256 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,680 Speaker 1: They know they're in danger during the day once they 1257 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: reach a certain age and they've encountered human pressure on 1258 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,520 Speaker 1: private republic. They know that the days when they're when 1259 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,200 Speaker 1: they're vulnerable, especially a big buck, like they don't in 1260 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: our part of the world. What do they got to 1261 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 1: worry about? Kyotes? For the most part, a healthy big 1262 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: buck they just look at kyotes as they run by 1263 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,920 Speaker 1: and like, no big deal. Fawns a different story, obviously, 1264 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: But big bucks got to worry about us. So he's 1265 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna go to wherever he feels safe during the day, 1266 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,920 Speaker 1: and then and then on top of that, wherever he 1267 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:43,720 Speaker 1: can escape too, even more safe areas. So in that 1268 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 1: high stem count cut or cover like that is exactly 1269 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 1: what you're I mean, that's the stuff where he can 1270 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,360 Speaker 1: bed in and then when he hears somebody coming, he 1271 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: can stand up or he hears something around that betting area, 1272 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,760 Speaker 1: say it's a calm day, for example, he can stand 1273 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,960 Speaker 1: up in there and he can look out of it 1274 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 1: into all those open woods and see that danger coming, 1275 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,680 Speaker 1: and you have no freaking clue he's there until he 1276 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 1: takes out of there like a rabbit out of a 1277 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,080 Speaker 1: brush pile. It's just and you can't shoot at him 1278 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: in there because it's so thick. That's the that's the 1279 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,840 Speaker 1: tricky part with cattail marsh is like what you're talking 1280 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,840 Speaker 1: about is sometimes you might find where they're living in 1281 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 1: the middle of that cattail marsh, but how do you 1282 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: get an arrow through there? Like they realize that over 1283 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: the years, I don't. I mean a buck probably doesn't 1284 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 1: think about it obviously the way that we do. But 1285 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: they just know that they're not getting shot at, their 1286 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 1: buddies aren't getting killed in that stuff. So advantages. I mean, 1287 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: you think about it. If you could hunt deer with 1288 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,960 Speaker 1: a grenade or a mortar, I would be the best 1289 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,280 Speaker 1: cattail slew hunter because I find those bastards all the 1290 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,439 Speaker 1: time and I'm like, well, unapproachable untouchable when you're talking 1291 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,920 Speaker 1: archery hunting in some of those situations. But when when 1292 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 1: you talk about that situation where that bucks he's either 1293 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,600 Speaker 1: he's betted right in that high stem count thick, gnarly stuff, 1294 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,320 Speaker 1: he's moving through the edge of it, yeah, or staging 1295 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,000 Speaker 1: in there and he's he's looking out from that if 1296 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: he's hears something, or he's got the wind in his favor, 1297 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,320 Speaker 1: which he's going to. I always think about it in 1298 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: terms of like a big large mouth right, like you 1299 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,960 Speaker 1: think about a big large mouth bass. They live in 1300 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 1: the shadows, like if you've got a stump or a 1301 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,480 Speaker 1: dock post or a piling or something, And just think 1302 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,320 Speaker 1: about it. If you're in the middle of the summer, 1303 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,360 Speaker 1: if you're standing in your garage working and your neighbor 1304 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,960 Speaker 1: walks by, you can look out and see them perfectly, 1305 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 1: and they can barely see you moving around in there, 1306 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: kind of like the like being in a ground blind 1307 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,080 Speaker 1: for turkeys, you know, like if you do it right, 1308 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,960 Speaker 1: and those deer in that situation, that advantage is so 1309 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: distinct because of their camel and their ability like just 1310 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: hide and not move and watch and listen, and you're 1311 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: walking by looking into it, and he's got every advantage 1312 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: because he's in the cover looking out, Like I think 1313 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: we undersell that a lot of times, but they use 1314 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 1: that so much, like it's like ingrained in them, like 1315 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,280 Speaker 1: it's genetic, you know, like even fawns do it. And 1316 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: when you get a buck that's five and a half 1317 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,040 Speaker 1: years old and he's lived on public land or in 1318 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: pressure ground, he knows those tricks. It's so much better 1319 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,680 Speaker 1: than we could even imagine. Oh yeah, and a lot 1320 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: of people think that they're nocturnal, but I mean you 1321 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: can talk to Bronson Strickland and those guys that you 1322 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 1: know MSU Deer Lab, and they'll show you exactly where 1323 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 1: bucks move during the daylight, especially mature bucks, because they 1324 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,440 Speaker 1: put radio collars on them and they monitor them NonStop 1325 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: and there. And you ask them about mature bucks being nocturnal, 1326 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,720 Speaker 1: even on heavily pressured land, They're like, no, there's very few, 1327 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,240 Speaker 1: if any, they said, they don't have a single one 1328 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: that they can say is nocturnal completely, like they all 1329 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 1: move around somewhat during the day the half to I mean, 1330 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 1: how could it be possible that they were absolutely one 1331 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,920 Speaker 1: percent nocturnal? Right? They have to get up they gotta 1332 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: they have like five feeding bouts in a day, even 1333 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: if that means they just stand up and walk to 1334 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,040 Speaker 1: feed and brows a little bit, they're not just betting 1335 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,160 Speaker 1: and living in a hole in the ground. And whenever 1336 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,919 Speaker 1: they looked at they looked at the habitats that those 1337 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 1: buck used. Bucks used during the day only, and that 1338 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: was the consistent thing. Man, those pretty open woods with 1339 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,440 Speaker 1: all that sign in there and acorns dropping and everything 1340 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,120 Speaker 1: that looks awesome, and those bucks are in there at night. 1341 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 1: They are almost never in there during the day. And 1342 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 1: pressured land, you start getting in the cover that's wasted 1343 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: chest high, and that's areas where they're going to start moving, 1344 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Like down in the southeast, and the examples they were 1345 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,560 Speaker 1: showing me, it was like river cane, and it was 1346 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,400 Speaker 1: just flat, wide open woods for as far as you 1347 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 1: could see. And then you walk up on a patch 1348 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 1: of acre acre and a half of just chest high 1349 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,880 Speaker 1: river cane and it's not super thick, but it's just 1350 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 1: enough cover that a buck could bet in the edge 1351 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,040 Speaker 1: of it and stand around and move around about that 1352 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,400 Speaker 1: river cane and feels safe moving around it during the day, 1353 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,479 Speaker 1: and then as soon as it gets dark then they're 1354 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,560 Speaker 1: off to wherever, leaving sign all through the woods and 1355 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, tricking our brains non stop. Well, I mean, 1356 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,320 Speaker 1: but this that's like to tie this together. So when 1357 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,320 Speaker 1: you when you find a spot like that, or you 1358 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, you're out winter scouting and you find that 1359 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 1: open wood sign maybe the scrape that you can see 1360 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you get to that cover. It's 1361 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,520 Speaker 1: not enough to just find that cover. You got to 1362 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,880 Speaker 1: wait in there. Look at those trails in there, Look 1363 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,920 Speaker 1: how they're getting in and how they're getting out. You know, 1364 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna find some rubs in there, you're gonna find 1365 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,240 Speaker 1: some beds probably, And then start thinking about, you know, 1366 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: what conditions does this work? Like does he need to 1367 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: be there on September fifteenth when it opens or is 1368 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 1: there enough cover around where he could be somewhere else? 1369 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: But by October fifteenth, when the leaves have fallen and 1370 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,640 Speaker 1: the pressure's gotten to him. Now is he going to 1371 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,360 Speaker 1: be there? Like? What what does it do for you? 1372 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: And that that's the beauty of this time of year 1373 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,960 Speaker 1: is you can go wait into that stuff and go 1374 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, even if it is only an acre, how 1375 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: many trails are leading in there, how many trails leading out, 1376 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,800 Speaker 1: like how many different ways ailable food sources right there 1377 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,080 Speaker 1: close by one, and like those those those food sources 1378 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,840 Speaker 1: may not be interesting right now in March, they may 1379 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,400 Speaker 1: not be interesting in July, but towards the end of 1380 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,960 Speaker 1: November or early December they might be, or in early October, 1381 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,919 Speaker 1: like what you're talking about, they might be, and they'll 1382 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 1: they'll shift around the landscape using these different parts of 1383 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,080 Speaker 1: it based on food and water and covering and pressure, 1384 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: all those different things are going into it. You know, 1385 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,040 Speaker 1: there there may be a creek right there that's intermittent stream, 1386 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: and if there's no water in that thing, they may 1387 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,959 Speaker 1: not bed there very often. But if there is water 1388 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,880 Speaker 1: in it that particular year, they may be socked in there. 1389 01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Especially if they have water right there. They got good cover, 1390 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,080 Speaker 1: a lack of pressure, and they have multiple food sources 1391 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,960 Speaker 1: leading out on both sides. Those are areas that where 1392 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 1: my brain starts firing thinking like, okay, these are spots 1393 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: that bucks are going to use often, and they're going 1394 01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 1: to use them, you know, every single year in mull Tople, 1395 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Bucks will like that big one may be in there 1396 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,360 Speaker 1: this year, and then there may be a different big 1397 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: one in there next year because all of these conditions line. 1398 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,920 Speaker 1: But you're not gonna learn all of that until you 1399 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,720 Speaker 1: go in into those bedding areas and scout him from 1400 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,240 Speaker 1: the inside out, and then especially getting in there and 1401 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,000 Speaker 1: like seeing what the deer can see looking out of them, 1402 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: because you're you're playing that scenario in your mind, like, Okay, 1403 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,360 Speaker 1: this thing's standing up in the middle of this thicket 1404 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,959 Speaker 1: and he's walking to the edge of it. He's gonna 1405 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,439 Speaker 1: make it a hundred yards during day, Like what can 1406 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,240 Speaker 1: he see in that hundred yards? Like what is he 1407 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,400 Speaker 1: alerted to? And is there a way that I can 1408 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: use this little ditch over here to the left to 1409 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 1: get up here when the wind is when the day 1410 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: winds are blowing at noon and climb up in a 1411 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: tree to where I can kill him when he's sixty 1412 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,440 Speaker 1: yards from that spot. Like you're you're just putting together 1413 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,560 Speaker 1: so many little details like that when you're when you're 1414 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: finding those areas and scout him from the inside out 1415 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: during this time year that you're missing otherwise. Yeah, and 1416 01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,520 Speaker 1: that's a really really important point about now it's not 1417 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,360 Speaker 1: enough to just find it and go, Okay, here's a 1418 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,760 Speaker 1: place a big one spent a lot of time last year, 1419 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,840 Speaker 1: because if you don't take a look and figure out 1420 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 1: how to hunt it, then it doesn't matter, and yeah, 1421 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,960 Speaker 1: you're missing your opportunity. Yeah. I used to do that 1422 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot, where I would I would win or scout 1423 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,360 Speaker 1: my ass off almost to the point where I would 1424 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 1: forget stuff, and then I'd like, Okay, I know there 1425 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 1: was like a good staging area I found here, but 1426 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I never looked for a tree 1427 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,200 Speaker 1: to set up in. I didn't look for the access 1428 01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,600 Speaker 1: or multiple access or something, and it was like it 1429 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: was like you only did like twenty five percent of 1430 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the work. Like I've done that exact thing so many times, 1431 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,519 Speaker 1: and we should definitely mention that as a caveat here. 1432 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: If you guys are getting out there and doing this 1433 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: more often, especially this year, like don't overlook those little 1434 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,600 Speaker 1: things because I have a tendency to do that. I 1435 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,680 Speaker 1: definitely used to where I'd be like, Okay, I got 1436 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,080 Speaker 1: scout ten betting areas today, I want to go this one, 1437 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: this one, this one, this one. You know, I got 1438 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 1: my coffee and my sandwich and we're just gonna go 1439 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,880 Speaker 1: and then before you know it, you scouted them all 1440 01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 1: and you definitely learn where some big bucks were living, 1441 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,679 Speaker 1: like you said, but you didn't pick up those little 1442 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,040 Speaker 1: bit of details. They're gonna help you kill him when 1443 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 1: he's in there. And that's so that's so crucial, like 1444 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: looking and seeing can you get up the back of 1445 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,400 Speaker 1: that tree without getting spotted, or how do you get 1446 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,400 Speaker 1: in and out of that area? Not only walking every 1447 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,639 Speaker 1: single one of those trails, but I mean even tracking 1448 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,680 Speaker 1: them on your map, like on X has got that 1449 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,320 Speaker 1: tracker thing, and we started doing that more where we'll 1450 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 1: start tracing those trails. And I used to over I 1451 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,120 Speaker 1: used to just drop a red pin on it, and 1452 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: then I'd leave and then and all that stuff's fresh 1453 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,200 Speaker 1: on your mind then, but you're gonna forget it. You 1454 01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,519 Speaker 1: come back in there in October and it's like, Okay, 1455 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,639 Speaker 1: I know this is a good spot, but I don't 1456 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,040 Speaker 1: really know like what the deer can see, so I 1457 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 1: don't know how close I can get without spooking them. 1458 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,720 Speaker 1: And I don't really know how the wind behaves in 1459 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: here because I didn't check it. I didn't check any 1460 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,719 Speaker 1: of that, and I don't really know which food sources 1461 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,800 Speaker 1: they have available on the outskirts of this betting here. 1462 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,479 Speaker 1: I just know there's a bunch of buck sign here, 1463 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,599 Speaker 1: and then there were some beds in here. I know. 1464 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,920 Speaker 1: Then you got to go in and re scout that 1465 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,400 Speaker 1: thing like five different times before you finally get it 1466 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,479 Speaker 1: figured out. But now when I when you go in there, 1467 01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,479 Speaker 1: it's if you're super anal about really gathering all those 1468 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 1: details right now, it's just gonna speed up there in 1469 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,679 Speaker 1: saving them in some way. Yeah, like journal maps, phone 1470 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,640 Speaker 1: all that stuff, and don't drop a pin. Drop a 1471 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,360 Speaker 1: pin and put notes under it that's say specifics about 1472 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,519 Speaker 1: what you're finding. That way you remember it not only 1473 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: what you're finding, but you should hunt this in a 1474 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,200 Speaker 1: northwest wind or you know what I mean. And that 1475 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,000 Speaker 1: tracker feature, man, I started using that out west and 1476 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 1: just like it changed everything, and now I use it 1477 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 1: for white tails all the time. Like if I go 1478 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,320 Speaker 1: in and you know, I mean not only not only 1479 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 1: like what we're talking about here with a winner scouting 1480 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,080 Speaker 1: deal where you might find some badass sign, you're like, 1481 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,759 Speaker 1: I gotta hunt this and I want to know exactly 1482 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,519 Speaker 1: how to get to this tree. But even going in 1483 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,320 Speaker 1: like the buck I killed this year. For one week 1484 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,439 Speaker 1: in November, I walked in and hung a stand in 1485 01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,479 Speaker 1: the evening. This is on private land, and we had 1486 01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,080 Speaker 1: an okay, hunt's off, you deer, but it was like 1487 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,160 Speaker 1: a brand new setup and I'm filming, so I'm like, 1488 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,680 Speaker 1: we're making twice the amount of noise. And it was 1489 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, calm and just November conditions whatever, And I 1490 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,679 Speaker 1: ran my tracks on the way out, even though it's 1491 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: like a you know, one hundred yard walk in the woods. 1492 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,920 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I don't want to get off of 1493 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,839 Speaker 1: this route by six feet because I have two guys, 1494 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, me and another guy who are going to 1495 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,400 Speaker 1: be making a ton of noise. And so even following 1496 01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,599 Speaker 1: like every little turn on that trail and just like 1497 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,920 Speaker 1: the exact road I need to take to get there, 1498 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,040 Speaker 1: it's just a game changer. And then you think about, 1499 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,559 Speaker 1: you know, that's from one day to the next. Now 1500 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,519 Speaker 1: you think about go out in March tenth and find 1501 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: your perfect tree on that river crossing way back in 1502 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,080 Speaker 1: the woods, and you think you're going to go back 1503 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,519 Speaker 1: there on October twenty fifth, and remember your exact route 1504 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,439 Speaker 1: and take the no way like especially if you used 1505 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,720 Speaker 1: to drink like I did there with a pair of 1506 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: freaking hiking boots on to cross water, and I got 1507 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:05,800 Speaker 1: all the way in there and then I realized, like 1508 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,240 Speaker 1: this water's waist deep. Ye, I'm gonna have to take 1509 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,920 Speaker 1: my pants off and my boots just to way across 1510 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: this to get back in where i'd scout it. I mean, 1511 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,840 Speaker 1: just minor details like that. But you're talking about killing 1512 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,800 Speaker 1: them now, Like that's the difference between seeing them and 1513 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,080 Speaker 1: killing them is having all of these things buttoned up, 1514 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 1: because I mean, whenever we kill them, it's always like 1515 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: you're one step away from from not killing them. Or 1516 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's one limb that almost got you, or 1517 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,400 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I killed a buck that 1518 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,519 Speaker 1: we bumping dump, you know, real close to the house, 1519 01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,759 Speaker 1: and that thing hit it. That arrow hits a limb 1520 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,480 Speaker 1: like as soon as it's going into the deer and deflects, 1521 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: and I killed him. But I never even saw that 1522 01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,040 Speaker 1: limb there, had no idea because I've never even been 1523 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,599 Speaker 1: in those woods before. But that's my point. It's like, 1524 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: you come when it comes down to actually killing these things, 1525 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,320 Speaker 1: there are so many of those tiny little details in 1526 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,000 Speaker 1: place and things that have to line up in order 1527 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,320 Speaker 1: for this to happen for you. The more of that 1528 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,040 Speaker 1: stuff you can put to bed ahead of time. With 1529 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,320 Speaker 1: you're scouting, the more killing opportunities you're gonna have, not 1530 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,720 Speaker 1: just the more encounters you're gonna have, but the more 1531 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 1: killing opportunities you're gonna have. Yeah, and you may not 1532 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,120 Speaker 1: be able to like trim trees and whatnot on public land, 1533 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,360 Speaker 1: but you can still climb up in them. You can 1534 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,000 Speaker 1: climb up in it and see what you can see. 1535 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,320 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've I've found 1536 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,240 Speaker 1: signing a new area and I've climbed up in a 1537 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,360 Speaker 1: tree and then realize once I got up there, like crap, 1538 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,680 Speaker 1: this ain't gonna work. Oh, so then you shoot all 1539 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,360 Speaker 1: the way down, and then you move ten yards and 1540 01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,439 Speaker 1: you do it again, and before you know it, you've 1541 01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: spent four hours out there, and then afternoon trying to 1542 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 1: find a right setup to hunt the edge of this 1543 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,320 Speaker 1: bedding area. But all of that could have been taken 1544 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,240 Speaker 1: care of before. If I have a major chess grabber 1545 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,080 Speaker 1: when I'm like forty eight, it'll be because I've done 1546 01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,040 Speaker 1: that to myself five thousand times. Hung a stand and 1547 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,960 Speaker 1: got up there, or you know, climbed up there to 1548 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,559 Speaker 1: set your stand or saddle up and you look around. 1549 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,280 Speaker 1: You go, Nope, no way, can't shoot if you want 1550 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,639 Speaker 1: to walk out there and look back at the tree 1551 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,360 Speaker 1: at what the deer's looking at. But you also don't 1552 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,000 Speaker 1: want to leave ground sent three sixty degrees around your spot. Yeah, 1553 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,680 Speaker 1: so it's it's hard. Yeah, And why I do it 1554 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,280 Speaker 1: this time of year? Then you're just you're you're crossing 1555 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: those off of the list, man. Yeah. And I would 1556 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,040 Speaker 1: say on that note because I did that for some 1557 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,160 Speaker 1: of the stuff I hunted in Western Minnesota this year. 1558 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,160 Speaker 1: You know, I scouted it before we went out there, 1559 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I looked at trees and I go, 1560 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,280 Speaker 1: that's my tree. And then when I get out there 1561 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,120 Speaker 1: to set up, I actually walk up to that tree 1562 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,800 Speaker 1: and I start looking like where are we going to be? 1563 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Like where's where's the camera gonna be wearing? And then 1564 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,639 Speaker 1: you're like, man, it's super crooked and it's actually not 1565 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,800 Speaker 1: like figure that's like that is the stuff, like the 1566 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,080 Speaker 1: details in the offseason that make the difference, Like it's 1567 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,800 Speaker 1: it's all of that, like every little box you can 1568 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: check and go, this is actually a tree I can 1569 01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,960 Speaker 1: get in and be comfortable and and I'm gonna go say, 1570 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,760 Speaker 1: team feet up and I'm gonna hang off this side 1571 01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,800 Speaker 1: with my saddle or what like know that stuff. Don't 1572 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,559 Speaker 1: just go oh, there's a nice you know, pine tree 1573 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,360 Speaker 1: or whatever there, I'm gonna just use like Nope, not 1574 01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 1: good enough, like you got to know it. And what 1575 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,720 Speaker 1: I started to do, especially when I'm laying tracks or 1576 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: I find a you know, you talk about a spot 1577 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,479 Speaker 1: like a high stem count spot in the middle of 1578 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,960 Speaker 1: the mostly open woods, I started to do where I'm like, 1579 01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,479 Speaker 1: here's here's where I think I'll kill. There's my pin, 1580 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,760 Speaker 1: here's my tracks, Here's where I'm going to observe like 1581 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm in And I think it's really hard, especially if 1582 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,040 Speaker 1: you're traveling or you don't have very much time to 1583 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,639 Speaker 1: sand bag of hunt and just go I'm not I'm 1584 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,120 Speaker 1: not gonna bonds eye right in there to my best 1585 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: tree and sit like a lot of times because you 1586 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,800 Speaker 1: don't know, right like you don't know how they're gonna 1587 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,599 Speaker 1: stage through there, or you don't know you know, if 1588 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 1: it's a two acre betting area and he pops out 1589 01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,920 Speaker 1: here and not there, or at ten twenty acre betting 1590 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,640 Speaker 1: area and it's like, are you if you have that 1591 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,800 Speaker 1: plan and go I'm not one hundred percent sure where 1592 01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,479 Speaker 1: the X is, but if I can sneak in here 1593 01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 1: and I, oh, I won't get busted. I'm probably not 1594 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: going to kill one tonight, but I'm gonna be able 1595 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,640 Speaker 1: to look over that whole thing, maybe see him stand up, 1596 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,520 Speaker 1: or maybe see somebody coming or going, and then tomorrow, 1597 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,960 Speaker 1: if the conditions don't change, that's where I kill him. 1598 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,360 Speaker 1: If you plan that stuff out too, where you're like, 1599 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,400 Speaker 1: if if I want to get in there, but the 1600 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,960 Speaker 1: conditions aren't perfect or I'm not one hundred percent confident 1601 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,720 Speaker 1: of it, I'm going to hang back a little bit. 1602 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Man's that has worked for me a lot, and it's alert. 1603 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's so time hunts. Doing that. Then you 1604 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,439 Speaker 1: are diving in there and guessing on which one of 1605 01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,240 Speaker 1: the fifteen trails he's gonna use coming out. It's either 1606 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,360 Speaker 1: that or you also develop a plan. If you can't 1607 01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,360 Speaker 1: see in you develop a plan where you can scout 1608 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 1: the exterior in that area without boogering anything. So it's like, 1609 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,519 Speaker 1: if you can observe in there, where can you tically 1610 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 1: scout those exits? Like how far follow those exits out 1611 01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,840 Speaker 1: of those betting areas and get to a point where 1612 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,320 Speaker 1: you can come across and cut that sign without boogering 1613 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,599 Speaker 1: anything out of there. Like that's the stuff you can 1614 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,840 Speaker 1: really use during the season to figure out if there's 1615 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,240 Speaker 1: a bucket there or not. Like we use that tracks 1616 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,920 Speaker 1: example while ago, if you get one hundred and fifty 1617 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,000 Speaker 1: yards in that bedding area where that trail crosses a 1618 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,759 Speaker 1: little sandy dry creek bed and you can go walk 1619 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,920 Speaker 1: that thing and see tracks coming and going up and 1620 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,360 Speaker 1: down that you know where that trail leads because you've 1621 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,560 Speaker 1: done that scouting. Ye. Yeah. The other part of this 1622 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,519 Speaker 1: is the attitude, Like your confidence is gonna go up 1623 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,920 Speaker 1: so much when you have a plan to go into 1624 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,280 Speaker 1: these spots, when you have a tree really nailed, like 1625 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,640 Speaker 1: what you just talked about in an access route in 1626 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,000 Speaker 1: there and you've been you're just more familiar with it. 1627 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:42,799 Speaker 1: Just I most people are uncomfortable. I'm not uncomfortable anymore 1628 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 1: with going in at three am in the dark, completely 1629 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,360 Speaker 1: blind to a spot because I've done enough times. But 1630 01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,559 Speaker 1: at first I certainly was, you know, but now if 1631 01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,720 Speaker 1: you've got that, if you have all that intel, you're 1632 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,600 Speaker 1: going to be more apt to get in there. And 1633 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: get in the right spot. You're not gonna second guess 1634 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,559 Speaker 1: yourself near as much because you know what's going on 1635 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 1: and that's just gonna that's gonna help you mentally during 1636 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,439 Speaker 1: the season. And you know what that does for you 1637 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,880 Speaker 1: that we never talk about. I've been writing about this 1638 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 1: quite a bit. It makes it more fun. Yeah, just 1639 01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,640 Speaker 1: think about I mean, this is so dumb, but it's 1640 01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,280 Speaker 1: so true. If you go out and you fully expect 1641 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,360 Speaker 1: to see a deer, even if you blank, you're gonna 1642 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,880 Speaker 1: have a pretty fun hunt just because you're like, it's 1643 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,200 Speaker 1: gonna happen, like I'm gonna see him. And I mean 1644 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,479 Speaker 1: that stuff happens a lot where you're like, oh, yeah, 1645 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 1: this is this is gonna happen. The conditions are right, 1646 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,840 Speaker 1: I know this spot, I'm gonna see one. Even when 1647 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,639 Speaker 1: when you blank it sucks, but whatever, it happens a lot. 1648 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,280 Speaker 1: But at least the sit is like you're not sitting 1649 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,679 Speaker 1: there going I have no confidence, which is no fun. 1650 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,559 Speaker 1: And man, there's like an intangible there where you watch 1651 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,640 Speaker 1: people who are we kind of think that everybody's like 1652 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,720 Speaker 1: this terminate, like everybody who's a really good public land 1653 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,360 Speaker 1: hunter specifically sort of has like a terminator mentality where 1654 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,439 Speaker 1: it's like just get it done at all called sit 1655 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,320 Speaker 1: all day long and just like hard man, dude, it sucks. 1656 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,320 Speaker 1: But if you go out and you figure out a 1657 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,280 Speaker 1: way to have fun, which is just building in like 1658 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,559 Speaker 1: your knowledge and building up your confidence and going listen, 1659 01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:16,479 Speaker 1: I know this fall, there's gonna be a buck concentration here, 1660 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,960 Speaker 1: or there's gonna be a good one using this little 1661 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, creek bottom in the woods or something like Like, 1662 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,400 Speaker 1: there's just something about it that just makes the whole 1663 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,920 Speaker 1: thing so much more enjoyable. Even if all the wheels 1664 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,599 Speaker 1: fall off and it doesn't work out, going into it 1665 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,600 Speaker 1: is so it's so much better. It's gonna and you 1666 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: just hunt smarter. You make your I mean, the way 1667 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,559 Speaker 1: you walk through the woods, the way you set up 1668 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,400 Speaker 1: when you have that belief that you've like you've built 1669 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,479 Speaker 1: all this work into this already and you you're like 1670 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,559 Speaker 1: he's gonna be here. It's a total game change around 1671 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,639 Speaker 1: how you conduct yourself out there and how you feel 1672 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,600 Speaker 1: about it. Oh yeah, I definitely would I go that. 1673 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and I've seen that personally with the way 1674 01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,800 Speaker 1: that I hunt. If I just go into it with 1675 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,400 Speaker 1: that mindset like I'm gonna enjoy myself today and I'm 1676 01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,479 Speaker 1: gonna learn something. It just pays off in the long 1677 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,639 Speaker 1: run because if you just are constantly learning something about 1678 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:14,200 Speaker 1: these areas, it's gonna take care of itself downstream. You're 1679 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,640 Speaker 1: hunting with a bow and arrow, like, you can't just 1680 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,080 Speaker 1: go out there. It's not like turkey hunting, where you 1681 01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,920 Speaker 1: can just get mad at one, you know, and then 1682 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,559 Speaker 1: just go, go, go, go go, and you're hearing them 1683 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,280 Speaker 1: every day and you're getting tighter, you're getting tighter, and 1684 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,439 Speaker 1: you eventually kill one. It ain't like that with deer hunting. 1685 01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,080 Speaker 1: A lot of times it's a freaking marathon and it's 1686 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,320 Speaker 1: a it's a worl wheels out there. And the more 1687 01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,200 Speaker 1: info that you have, and if that, if that's really 1688 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:42,680 Speaker 1: your goal, your end goal isn't to kill a buck necessarily, well, 1689 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,160 Speaker 1: I guess that's what your end goal is. But your goals, 1690 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,960 Speaker 1: in your smaller goals in the meantime is just how 1691 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,640 Speaker 1: much can I learn today? How much can I learn 1692 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,120 Speaker 1: next weekend when I get to come back here, and 1693 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,559 Speaker 1: how can I take that information to sort of spend 1694 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,320 Speaker 1: this web up of my strategy going in the next fall. 1695 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,800 Speaker 1: And if that's your mindset, man, when I'm when my 1696 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,680 Speaker 1: brain is rolling like that, I just always end up 1697 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,599 Speaker 1: in better situations to kill Bucks in the fall big time. 1698 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,240 Speaker 1: And when I don't get diverted on these these shell 1699 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:16,880 Speaker 1: camera paths, that's what happens. Um And you know you 1700 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,400 Speaker 1: said that, you know we're bow hunting deer, but honestly, 1701 01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:24,320 Speaker 1: this is this is probably the most underrated aspect of 1702 01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,479 Speaker 1: being a successful gun hunter too. Like you want to 1703 01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,080 Speaker 1: talk about winter scouting and finding sanctuaries, Like there is 1704 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,400 Speaker 1: no time in a Big Bucks life that he needs 1705 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,240 Speaker 1: a sanctuary more than that gun season. So if you 1706 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,320 Speaker 1: if you're sitting there and you're listening to this and 1707 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,479 Speaker 1: you go up to the cabin every year and you 1708 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,559 Speaker 1: got your you know, your hunting party and it's your 1709 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,120 Speaker 1: uncles and your dad whoever, and you're like, you know, 1710 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,280 Speaker 1: I've been crossing my fingers every year, sitting on the 1711 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,800 Speaker 1: same ladder stand and hoping somebody comes down the logging 1712 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,960 Speaker 1: road or the power line. Man, you know, this is 1713 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,040 Speaker 1: the second best window to scout, right after the gun seasons, 1714 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,439 Speaker 1: probably the best window to go burn through everything and 1715 01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,720 Speaker 1: pay attention to where you jump them. But when you 1716 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,559 Speaker 1: go out there now and that woods is laid bare, 1717 01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,400 Speaker 1: like you're talking about their warb and you find those 1718 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,320 Speaker 1: thick areas and that high stem count stuff, that's where 1719 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,960 Speaker 1: your bucks are gonna go. When five hundred thousand people 1720 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,920 Speaker 1: walk into the woods with rifles like that exactly, it's 1721 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,880 Speaker 1: so valuable. Yeah, if you don't know it, you're so 1722 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:26,640 Speaker 1: well yep, so get out there big time, right, we're 1723 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,960 Speaker 1: out of time, buddy. I always just absolutely love talking 1724 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,640 Speaker 1: to you. I'm pretty sure everybody who's who's listening to 1725 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,280 Speaker 1: this knows where to find you guys, but why don't 1726 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,679 Speaker 1: you let them know? Anyway, the hunting public just check 1727 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,000 Speaker 1: it out on YouTube. You guys don't have a social 1728 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,120 Speaker 1: or anything. Yeah, we got Facebook, Instagram, and we're on 1729 01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,400 Speaker 1: the TikTok too. I'm still figuring out what in the 1730 01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,240 Speaker 1: world that thing even is. But yeah, yeah, everywhere you 1731 01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,280 Speaker 1: want to find some good hunting contact, that's where you go. 1732 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man, I always love talking to 1733 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,599 Speaker 1: you Youtubo brother. Thanks. That's it for this week, folks. 1734 01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,799 Speaker 1: Be sure to tune in next week for more whitetail goodness. 1735 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,960 Speaker 1: This has been the Wired to Hunt podcast and I'm 1736 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,720 Speaker 1: your guest host, Tony Peterson. 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