Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. I'm Tamara Judge and I'm Dan Gestling, and
Speaker 1: you're listening to Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys, welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of Talking a Big Game with myself, Tamor.
Speaker 2: Judge Anne dan geesing. Excited to be here, Tamra, what's
Speaker 2: going on? Like something happened?
Speaker 1: Well, as you can see, my eyes are a little
Speaker 1: bit swollen. I can't really see that well, so I
Speaker 1: might be putting those glasses on.
Speaker 3: Are you boxing? What do you do? What happened?
Speaker 1: No, it's not even that exciting. I had an allergic reaction
Speaker 1: to my makeup yesterday for the Green screen, and I
Speaker 1: woke up this morning with both my eyes crusted shuts,
Speaker 1: so I have no makeup on.
Speaker 3: Is it new makeup?
Speaker 2: Nah?
Speaker 3: You know what it is.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while there's like glitter found, like
Speaker 1: an eyeshadow that I can't tolerate, and they must have
Speaker 1: shod Chelsea must have used it and woke up today
Speaker 1: with blurry vision and my eyes glued shut, So bear
Speaker 1: with me. I got my readers here, my old lady
Speaker 1: glasses just in case I need them. But you know
Speaker 1: who's not an old lady. That's our next guest. That's
Speaker 1: our next guest. Now, this is one of our fellow traders.
Speaker 1: In fact, she was a trader. No, she wasn't a trader,
Speaker 1: was she?
Speaker 3: She wasn't.
Speaker 1: Why did I think she was?
Speaker 3: He was a trader to me?
Speaker 1: But she was a trader to you, Not to me though, No, no,
Speaker 1: And that's Trachelle Cantonella. I was reading her bio and
Speaker 1: I was like shocked. I didn't know she was a
Speaker 1: playboy model.
Speaker 3: Did you know? Like we had talked about it in
Speaker 3: the house in uh, in.
Speaker 1: The I guess I conversation. I need to see I
Speaker 1: need to see pictures. But Trischelle is an American reality
Speaker 1: TV contestant, playboy model, actress, and known for appearances on
Speaker 1: MTV reality television series The Real World, Las Vegas, The
Speaker 1: Real World spin off The Challenge, and also appeared on
Speaker 1: other realities to shows such as Surreal Life, Kill Reality, Punk,
Speaker 1: Fear Factor, The Traders, Below Deck Mediterranean being her most recent.
Speaker 1: She's also made appearances on TV ads, music videos, Post Nude,
Speaker 1: and Playboy Magazine, appeared in a horror film Was That Traders?
Speaker 1: That's kind of a horror film, and compete successfully in
Speaker 1: celebrity poker tournaments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean I'm all in on Bravo, So like,
Speaker 2: how how does that crossover happen? I can't wait to hear,
Speaker 2: Like how do you she like chartered a yacht? Is
Speaker 2: she just bawling?
Speaker 1: Or like yeah so so they you know you have
Speaker 1: you seen below Deck before?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well she was one of those people that
Speaker 1: chartered that yacht and and you do have to charter them.
Speaker 1: You do have to pay.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to learn, Like what was the
Speaker 3: process is it?
Speaker 1: Just like how does she have to We'll have to
Speaker 1: ask her. I was actually asked to do it one
Speaker 1: year instead I did Ultimate Girls Trip, so I didn't
Speaker 1: get to do it. But it always sound like a.
Speaker 3: Wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: You were at you were asked to go on below
Speaker 2: deck and they're like saying you have are you have
Speaker 2: to charter this?
Speaker 3: Or like hey, we're chartering this for you. You just come on.
Speaker 1: There is a charge as a guest that goes on there.
Speaker 3: I feel like they should be paid you.
Speaker 1: That's what I said. That was the argument I said,
Speaker 1: But you know what it is, what it is, and
Speaker 1: they get a lot of people to do it. And
Speaker 1: it looked like a lot of fun. So let's ask
Speaker 1: her how her experience with you.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's uncouth to ask her how much
Speaker 3: it was? Like? Can you ask her that? I feel
Speaker 3: like that uncouth?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, now I have no idea. I know you're like,
Speaker 2: you may be used to like chartering private. Yes, that's
Speaker 2: being from the I.
Speaker 1: Don't have private, dude, that doesn't happen in my lifestyle.
Speaker 3: I can write and do a duffy voat what's what's
Speaker 3: a duffy voat.
Speaker 1: One of those like little tiny boats that I don't know.
Speaker 3: Isn't it like air?
Speaker 1: It's like electric ant.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask her.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask her, if not for me, but for
Speaker 2: the people wondering like me and you like, how much
Speaker 2: does that cost?
Speaker 1: I know, I mean it's also a discounted rate, but
Speaker 1: it's still I think I'm wondering if maybe the money
Speaker 1: goes towards the the tip at the end, because you know,
Speaker 1: when you chart y'all like that there's a giant tip
Speaker 1: that it has to be.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just know from watching the show.
Speaker 3: And then they complain about all this person's gonna be
Speaker 3: a good tip and this person's not. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: excited to hear like behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: We have Trishelle, can I Tella? Hey, hey, it's every
Speaker 1: union it is. You look amazing.
Speaker 4: Thank you? So do y'all?
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I have to excuse my swollen eyeballs.
Speaker 1: I had an allergic reaction to my glam yesterday for
Speaker 1: the green screen. Woke up with christy eyeballs.
Speaker 4: So that's horrible. I know, I know, I can't see
Speaker 4: it from here. You look great good.
Speaker 1: I might have to throw my glasses on here and there.
Speaker 1: But how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good. I've just been so busy and you have.
Speaker 4: I was traveling a lot and now I'm kind of
Speaker 4: like just done traveling, so I'm kind of just getting
Speaker 4: back into the swing of things at home. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm really happy.
Speaker 3: Can you define a lot?
Speaker 2: Because I'm on Instagram every day in your story like
Speaker 2: you're in seventeen different countries in three and a half weeks,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm actually going to Barcelona again, like uh what
Speaker 4: in two weeks, but only for a week to play poker.
Speaker 4: But and then after that I'm done traveling.
Speaker 1: I want to hear about your poker. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a minute, but we just went I was
Speaker 1: just reading your bio. You've done a lot of reality shows,
Speaker 1: but one I this is a reality show. But something
Speaker 1: I didn't know about you You were a Playboy model.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did Playboy. How old were you I was,
Speaker 4: Let's see, I was probably twenty four or twenty five.
Speaker 1: Maybe have those pictures like hanging in your house?
Speaker 4: No, no, not at all. My family was. My family's
Speaker 4: so conservative they were freaking out about it. But you
Speaker 4: know what, Like I paid off my student loans, I
Speaker 4: paid off my car. I was able to, you know,
Speaker 4: pay off a lot of things. And so to me,
Speaker 4: it was just a job, Like I do things. It's
Speaker 4: a job to me. It's not like, oh I want
Speaker 4: to go in to like go to the Playboy mansion
Speaker 4: every weekend, which I went a couple of times.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what was that? Like what was what? Like
Speaker 3: the mansion is now like defunct, right, it's no longer
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 3: Was it as wild as people said? It was? Like
Speaker 3: this is my glimpse into like I'm like a just
Speaker 3: an everyday guy, and you like lived in this world.
Speaker 3: What was it like?
Speaker 4: It was pretty wild. I mean I've only went a
Speaker 4: couple of times. They used to always invite me to
Speaker 4: like the Sunday night movie nights or whatever they used
Speaker 4: to do with Half and it that wasn't my scene,
Speaker 4: to be honest. So I didn't really go to all
Speaker 4: that stuff. But I would go like bigger parties.
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't want to lay in bed with
Speaker 1: Half and watch movies. Yeah, I see, I was not.
Speaker 4: I was not that stuff.
Speaker 1: I went to Playboy Mansion one time, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like like something like that. It was just a big
Speaker 1: party that was going on outside, not even inside. It
Speaker 1: was outside by like the grotto and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was really cool. It was like
Speaker 1: when I first started on TV, it was probably twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was pretty dawn cool to be
Speaker 1: able to go to the Playboy mansion.
Speaker 4: It's true. And you could see all the animals. I
Speaker 4: mean he had like monkeys there and everything, and so
Speaker 4: you walk around the property. It's iconic, really, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking iconic, you've had You've been in reality TV
Speaker 2: since like the heyday, like when it was, you know,
Speaker 2: the first of its kind, and you've been in it,
Speaker 2: You've done so many things. What have you noticed that's
Speaker 2: been the biggest change from the early days of MTV
Speaker 2: where like essentially, you know, you and I have talked
Speaker 2: like you couldn't walk in you couldn't go anywhere, Like
Speaker 2: your life was completely upended with people, pictures, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: How it's transformed, Like what have you seen personally in
Speaker 2: the transition from the early.
Speaker 3: Days to now so much?
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, first off, social media. Whenever I first
Speaker 4: started doing television, it was message boards MTV message boards,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't in your face all the time. So
Speaker 4: we choose to go to the message board, which we
Speaker 4: had to do every once in a while just for
Speaker 4: you know, pr reasons, but you didn't have to you
Speaker 4: didn't open it up every day. So that's a huge thing.
Speaker 4: But also on the other end, I missed the boat
Speaker 4: on sponsorship deals, Instagram followers, TikTok, all this sudden stuff,
Speaker 4: So I never made money like that. I really really
Speaker 4: missed that boat. So yeah, I wish in some ways
Speaker 4: that they had social media back then.
Speaker 1: Well, when we get you on a housewives show, you'll
Speaker 1: get all those sponsorships.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know. I mean, they have been talking
Speaker 4: about New Orleans Housewives for so long. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: I've been hearing. I was interviewed once, but not again.
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Yeah, I'm all for it. Like
Speaker 1: when you started reality TV, what year was it.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was even earlier than me. I think I
Speaker 1: started two thousand and eight. We had MySpace. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had MySpace, which is pretty dawn cool. I thought at
Speaker 1: the rist.
Speaker 4: Time friendster my Space.
Speaker 1: I never did friends stir, but MySpace was my jam
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Did you both have castmates in your top eight on MySpace?
Speaker 3: Or were they just like family and friends.
Speaker 1: I like you to be able to play music on
Speaker 1: your MySpace.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I missed that. And then if you switched
Speaker 4: around the order of your top eight, it was like
Speaker 4: very like people get mad about it. You can always
Speaker 4: tell who was on your ship list by the order
Speaker 4: in which they.
Speaker 1: Were Chrischelle, you are literally an icon when it comes
Speaker 1: to reality TV, especially in the competition world. What influenced
Speaker 1: you to audition for your very first show and how
Speaker 1: did that happen?
Speaker 4: How to go down so I was in college. I
Speaker 4: had I was in my last semester at Southern miss
Speaker 4: and I was a sorority girl, you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 4: But I've always been competitive and it played sports my
Speaker 4: entire life. And I heard something on the radio that
Speaker 4: was an advertisement for a show called Loss in the USA,
Speaker 4: and it was a cop petition show going around the
Speaker 4: country doing you know, different games and everything, and it
Speaker 4: was like, you could win fifty thousand dollars and that
Speaker 4: was it. And back in you know, two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: that was a lot of money for me. I had
Speaker 4: about that in student loans, and so I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: I'm going to audition for the show and I'm going
Speaker 4: to go on and I'm gonna win. I just thought
Speaker 4: it was so easy. I auditioned for the show, I
Speaker 4: got cast for the show, but then it got canceled.
Speaker 4: And so a couple months later, my phone rings from
Speaker 4: the same production company and they were like, did you
Speaker 4: ever think about doing the Real World? And I was like,
Speaker 4: I've watched it, but I never thought that I could
Speaker 4: be on it. I'm just some normal girl from Mississippi
Speaker 4: and or from Louisiana going to college in Mississippi. And
Speaker 4: so that's sort of how the ball got rolling.
Speaker 1: No regrets, regrets, any regrets. No, no, don't.
Speaker 4: I don't live like that. No.
Speaker 2: I So after you're on your first show and it's
Speaker 2: a huge hit, you know, your life definitely changes at
Speaker 2: that point. Did you foresee like the rest of your
Speaker 2: career like that you'd always have this presence on reality TV?
Speaker 2: Or like when you got off the show, what was
Speaker 2: what did you want to do next?
Speaker 4: So I wanted to just move to LA and have fun.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to like make money or do anything.
Speaker 4: I just kind of wanted to, Like, I had gotten
Speaker 4: a job waiting tables. I found my roommates on Westside
Speaker 4: Reynolds dot com. I was a very normal girl because
Speaker 4: at the time when I moved to LA, my show
Speaker 4: hadn't started airing yet. It was kind of delayed, and
Speaker 4: we had three months between the last when we lived
Speaker 4: in Vegas and then it started airing, so I didn't
Speaker 4: know how big it was going to be. So I
Speaker 4: just got a job waiting tables, and then the show
Speaker 4: started airing and I couldn't wait tables anymore because my
Speaker 4: manager basically fired me because I was getting recognized so much.
Speaker 4: I could not wait my tables, and so I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, this is the.
Speaker 1: Thing that's a true problem. Like I always say that
Speaker 1: to housewives. It's like, find a career. If you don't
Speaker 1: have a career while you're on Housewives, find something that
Speaker 1: you can make money, start a business, because when you're
Speaker 1: done with reality, you can't just go work at Nordstrom.
Speaker 1: You can't go wait tables.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, it was. It was really hard, and so
Speaker 4: I couldn't even do that. I couldn't even wait tables.
Speaker 4: So my dad was like, oh God, how are you
Speaker 4: going to make money? You know, he was all stressed
Speaker 4: out about me to be in twenty two living in
Speaker 4: LA and we started to do appearances that was whenever
Speaker 4: bar appearances just had started, and we started traveling a lot,
Speaker 4: doing like MTV spring Break, and then I got asked
Speaker 4: to do a challenge and they were like, whoa, she's
Speaker 4: kind of athletic. And I had gotten really messed up
Speaker 4: on that show. So I had to leave. But I
Speaker 4: was like, pretty hard, poor you.
Speaker 1: Got physically hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I flipped over a mountain bike until you're ride
Speaker 4: on a mountain and cracked my helmet in a half
Speaker 4: two black eyes, messed up my face? Oh shit, it
Speaker 4: was really really really gnarly accident.
Speaker 3: Now that you're okay, now, did they get that on?
Speaker 3: Is that on camera?
Speaker 1: Wants to know? Can we see it?
Speaker 4: No? And you know what, they were so pissed about it.
Speaker 4: They were like, this is why cameras need to be
Speaker 4: on them all the time. This is the time off day.
Speaker 4: Challenges used to have off days. They don't anymore because
Speaker 4: so much crazy stuff would happen when the cameras were down,
Speaker 4: So they quit doing that. So you now the cameras
Speaker 4: are twenty four to seven on you.
Speaker 2: How did they address your departure on the show? Did
Speaker 2: they show you like messed up?
Speaker 4: And oh god, yes, I had two black eyes. It's
Speaker 4: on the internet. I will send you that picture. I
Speaker 4: look like Sloth from the Goonies. Like my whole head
Speaker 4: was so messed up. It was crazy. I looked crazy
Speaker 4: and I didn't care. I was like, well, at least
Speaker 4: my whole face was sould and I was like, it
Speaker 4: looks enough to put on makeup for my interviews anymore.
Speaker 4: But I stayed and competed after I was messed up,
Speaker 4: because you did. Yeah, I tried, But then they were like,
Speaker 4: you can't. I was all bandaged and they were doing
Speaker 4: stuff and water and a trooper. Yeah. I tried hard.
Speaker 1: But do you have something coming up next? Are you
Speaker 1: going any new anything you would talk about?
Speaker 4: Like, No, I don't have any shows coming up next.
Speaker 4: But I have been like kind of well, I mean,
Speaker 4: they asked me to do two challenges since the Traders,
Speaker 4: and I said, Noah.
Speaker 1: Is it true that they asked you the challenge? What
Speaker 1: was it? Forty? Yeah, forty with CT and Johnny Yah,
Speaker 1: they didn't and you said no.
Speaker 4: Yes, because I was just like I heard that it
Speaker 4: was just going to be so hardcore and it was
Speaker 4: going to be in Thailand, and I wasn't sure our
Speaker 4: Vietnam actually one of the two. I just wasn't sure
Speaker 4: what the conditions were going to be. And I'm too
Speaker 4: spoiled now, like the living conditions mean a lot to me,
Speaker 4: and my privacy means a lot to me. I can't
Speaker 4: go back to that life anymore, especially after doing Traders.
Speaker 4: I feel like I was spoiled with reality TV.
Speaker 1: Is there good money to be made in the challenge?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can. You can make good money. You get
Speaker 4: paid to go and then you you know can win
Speaker 4: a lot of money, but honestly, Tamra, I'm I'm at
Speaker 4: the point of my life where I don't. It's not
Speaker 4: that important to me. I don't need Yeah, husband, my
Speaker 4: husband does well. We have different businesses, you know, we
Speaker 4: have properties. I don't need the challenge money. And for me,
Speaker 4: I have to be happy when I'm filming something to
Speaker 4: do well. So I won't even waste anyone's time to
Speaker 4: go on a challenge and devote myself off the first day.
Speaker 1: Would you do big Brother?
Speaker 4: Yes, I would. Oh cool, because it's more cozy, right,
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: Very cozy, but mentally it's very it's a grind, you know.
Speaker 3: I think you would. I think you do very, very well.
Speaker 2: I just laugh because you're saying, like, you know, you're
Speaker 2: spoiled from the traders. And for people that didn't experience
Speaker 2: that compared to the challenge, can you explain how Peacock
Speaker 2: was different than MTV in particular in your experience.
Speaker 4: Oh, they spoke to you like humans and life care
Speaker 4: about you. It was just completely different. I love production.
Speaker 4: I thought that they were awesome. We did have breaks,
Speaker 4: we had off days. They fed us, you know when
Speaker 4: they should. They treated us you know, well, as far
Speaker 4: as mental health goes, they had like a person that
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was crazy. I've never experienced that before. People
Speaker 1: checking in with you all the time to check on
Speaker 1: your mental health.
Speaker 3: What do they do in the challenge?
Speaker 2: Then if they're talking like feeding you all the time,
Speaker 2: that's like a human need.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of basic human needs that are not
Speaker 4: met on challenges. That's why people are so miserable, like.
Speaker 3: Well, like like just give us one like, just give
Speaker 3: us one thing.
Speaker 2: You're like, I can't believe this happened, or this is happening,
Speaker 2: or this happened to me, to.
Speaker 4: Me, okay, personally, Uh, there was a challenge that I
Speaker 4: I cut my foot the very first sign I was
Speaker 4: there because two guys got into a physical altercation and
Speaker 4: a glass was broken and the glass was in the
Speaker 4: pool and I was swimming in the pool like living
Speaker 4: my life with a glass of wine. Cut my foot
Speaker 4: so bad. I was like, oh my god. I lifted
Speaker 4: my foot out of the pool, just just blood going everywhere.
Speaker 4: I was like, can someone help me? Can someone help me?
Speaker 4: Someone gives me a dirty towel that ten people have
Speaker 4: already used, put some on my foot and I'm asking
Speaker 4: for medical attention. They didn't even have like a medical
Speaker 4: person there. Finally, hours later, some medical person shows up,
Speaker 4: but there's thirty five people in the house. By the way,
Speaker 4: you drinking, you should have someone from medical like there.
Speaker 4: So anyway, somebody shows up. She's just like, I think
Speaker 4: you're fine. She didn't speak English very well. Long story short,
Speaker 4: no medical attention. Three days later, my foot's infected. It's red.
Speaker 4: Traveling on the other country, all the things that we
Speaker 4: do in the challenge are basically a dirty water. So
Speaker 4: I go. They finally bring me the hospital, but I
Speaker 4: had to beg to be seen. Go to the hospital,
Speaker 4: She's like, you are past the point to give you stitches.
Speaker 4: They gave me a tet and a shot, and then
Speaker 4: they tried.
Speaker 1: To like like have to cut the foot off.
Speaker 4: She was like, you cannot get it wet at all, Like,
Speaker 4: don't get it wet. You need to let it heal.
Speaker 4: And then I got in a huge fight with the producer.
Speaker 4: We both told each other to go f ourselves, screaming
Speaker 4: at each other in front of people in a lobby
Speaker 4: because I didn't want to do the challenge over water.
Speaker 1: Jesus, you would never find that in Bravo or Peacock.
Speaker 1: I've worked for both of them quite a few times.
Speaker 1: And there's medical there's I mean even on Housewives, if
Speaker 1: I go ride my motorcycle, they have like a medic
Speaker 1: there where I'm at. There's people that follow you like
Speaker 1: it's nuh uh, that's like a huge lawsuit waiting to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also it's like we signed so much in
Speaker 4: those contracts that yeah, they're not I mean, somebody could sue,
Speaker 4: but I think that a lot of people just won't.
Speaker 4: I mean, thank god I have like my own health insurance.
Speaker 4: But I saw another girl that same challenge actually have
Speaker 4: an asthma attack and they were filming and no one
Speaker 4: was giving her an asthma pump. And then I saw
Speaker 4: another girl who had an allergy to like MSG that
Speaker 4: had a really horrible anaphylactic reaction and apparently she had
Speaker 4: to get an EpiPen on the way to the hot hospital,
Speaker 4: like they wouldn't even give her one in the house.
Speaker 4: It was just I saw some crazy stuff and it
Speaker 4: gave me anxiety.
Speaker 1: Remind me never to work for MTV.
Speaker 2: Well me, it's just because I've never like I've seen
Speaker 2: clips of the challenge, But why do people subject themselves
Speaker 2: to this? Has it like you can't be the only
Speaker 2: one that's like, hey, we shouldn't be treated this way?
Speaker 3: Or do the people that go on the challenge just
Speaker 3: don't care.
Speaker 4: Most of them, I'd say about eighty percent don't care.
Speaker 4: And that's why they get younger people, newer people. So
Speaker 4: the people, like, I'm surprised they even asked me, because
Speaker 4: I'm such a pain in the ass, I asked for
Speaker 4: a lot. I mean, like I want, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's being a pain in the ass,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like.
Speaker 1: Medic yeah, but you know you're worth yeah. And then
Speaker 1: I mean, Johnny Bananas has been doing it how many
Speaker 1: years now?
Speaker 4: And oh my just keep He and CT are fine.
Speaker 4: Actually I talked to CT after Challenge forty and he
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I wish I could have
Speaker 4: seen your face just by the living conditions and the bathrooms.
Speaker 4: He's like, you would have left. He said it was horrible,
Speaker 4: and I think he might be done.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh wow, I thought you're gonna say it's better
Speaker 2: and like you should have came.
Speaker 3: But no, it's like they haven't changed anything. That's wild,
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he said it was really bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many people that do these competition shows,
Speaker 1: but they aren't memorable. People like you just they come,
Speaker 1: they go, but you you're sticking around. How did you
Speaker 1: manage to create success from these TV opportunities?
Speaker 4: I guess, well, Okay, in the beginning, it's because I
Speaker 4: was like the single girl who might make out with
Speaker 4: this guy or do this, you know, and kind of
Speaker 4: single girl thing. Those are always fun.
Speaker 1: The girl playboy, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That and you know who's she going to date this
Speaker 4: season and this whole thing. But then after that, you know,
Speaker 4: when I had a boyfriend or I was just just
Speaker 4: I think I don't have a problem telling someone to
Speaker 4: their face what I think about them, And a lot
Speaker 4: of people get nervous and they think it's going to
Speaker 4: affect their game. I don't care, actually, and like I
Speaker 4: I can't hold my tongue and so I think that
Speaker 4: got me into a lot of trouble but also gets
Speaker 4: people more attention, and so yeah, I think that's probably why.
Speaker 4: But there's also like I did what four or five challenges,
Speaker 4: one of them I got second place, and I really
Speaker 4: kicked ass on that show. So I mean I'm pretty athletic,
Speaker 4: Like I can, I can do it when I want to.
Speaker 3: Well, what's surprising?
Speaker 2: What surprising me is like, you know, you're extremely memorable,
Speaker 2: but the time we spent together on the show, I
Speaker 2: never felt like you were acting for attention. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is mill just be and Chrichelle, you know, like,
Speaker 2: and I feel like there's got to be an element
Speaker 2: of authenticity with you, and I think that you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna speak for you. I feel like that kind
Speaker 2: of bleeds through with who you are. Everyone knows who
Speaker 2: you are because I feel like and tam Or you
Speaker 2: probably speak to this on the show as you're on.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of like posing of like this is
Speaker 2: who I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this bigness. Now, I agree with you down
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. When we met, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: in the castle, I thought, oh my god, she's so sweet,
Speaker 1: she's so kind, she's so down to earth. And then
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like hearing people watch out for her.
Speaker 1: She's like a competition reality girl.
Speaker 4: Yes, but and you know, there were moments that I
Speaker 4: think that I was like not the kindest or nicest,
Speaker 4: but not not that I mean, I kind of am
Speaker 4: who I am. If it's game competition, then I will
Speaker 4: kind of say my piece. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: I'm pretty genuine as far as when I do these shows.
Speaker 4: I don't do it for fame. It's like a job
Speaker 4: for me. I treat it like a job really, and
Speaker 4: so a lot of it Like if it's a competition show,
Speaker 4: then I'm going over there to win, except for the challenges,
Speaker 4: but I'm not having fun and I just leave. I've
Speaker 4: hoded myself off challenges like three times.
Speaker 1: By the way, well you won, Traders. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Traders a little bit. Who do you still talk to?
Speaker 4: I talked to Bergie, Sandra, Janelle, Peter, you guys kate
Speaker 4: every once in a while on Instagram. Who else? Peppermant, no,
Speaker 4: she will not speak to me, and you know, she
Speaker 4: spoke at Peter's house after the reunion. We spoke briefly
Speaker 4: and I thought that that everything was fine, and I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I'm going to respect her space
Speaker 4: and I would really like to have a conversation with you.
Speaker 4: And she's like, Okay, I'm gonna write you like in
Speaker 4: a month or whatever because we're both going on trips.
Speaker 4: And she never did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was a hard time for you
Speaker 1: when you know that aired, and I remember talking with
Speaker 1: you and you're like, yeah, god, I'm getting so much hate,
Speaker 1: Like this is this normal? I'm like, yeah, Carl, that's
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon for me.
Speaker 4: You made me feel so good. My husband was like,
Speaker 4: call Tamra, Text Tamra. You have to know she because
Speaker 4: for sure she knows. And I was like, okay, So yeah,
Speaker 4: I asked you was normal. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the downfall of social media nowadays
Speaker 1: with reality TV is like, holy the hate that you
Speaker 1: get is just insanity. And you didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know playing the game yea.
Speaker 1: And when somebody accidentally says I'm a trader, and it's
Speaker 1: early on in the show, yeah, you're like, if you're
Speaker 1: saying you're a trader, you're okay, I'm gonna vote for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I definitely went hard for her, but
Speaker 4: I also went hard for other people too, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. But whenever you told me that it
Speaker 4: was normal, I felt a sense of relief. But then
Speaker 4: I also felt like, oh my god, this is like
Speaker 4: the day and age that we live in, people are
Speaker 4: absolutely nuts what they'll say to you.
Speaker 1: You're like, what do I do? Do I make a statement?
Speaker 1: I'm like, nope, just let it tomorrow next week's episode.
Speaker 1: It'd be totally different. Now, great advice. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: have any predictions for who you think might win season three?
Speaker 4: If you were a bet and girl, which I know
Speaker 4: you are, Yeah, you know what. I feel like they
Speaker 4: might get rid of the gamers pretty early now because
Speaker 4: this was such a big thing with our season was
Speaker 4: like gamers non gamers, that kind of thing, and so
Speaker 4: I feel like those people might go pretty early. I
Speaker 4: don't know, though, Uh who is I mean, who do
Speaker 4: you guys think? I'm trying to think who else? Who
Speaker 4: else is on it?
Speaker 1: I have I can't even remember. I know there's a
Speaker 1: few housewives on it. Delores, right, Dolores is on it.
Speaker 1: Then there's.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see Boston.
Speaker 1: Rob So you know that you the gamers, you're for
Speaker 1: the gamers. I'm there for the housewives, Derinda, Dolores, Chanelle, Robin.
Speaker 1: Then they had like Britney Spears's ex husband there see
Speaker 1: I could see Dolores and Robin doing well.
Speaker 4: Because I think that they're both like badasses but likable,
Speaker 4: but like might stay out of the drama a little bit.
Speaker 1: Did we have any athletes on this season?
Speaker 3: Mishelle? I know you like Big Brother. How do you
Speaker 3: think one of my favorites, Britney Haynes, is going to
Speaker 3: do Oh.
Speaker 4: I think she'll do well. She's actually I hope she
Speaker 4: stayed just for her soundbites. Really like, I think that
Speaker 4: she's really good in it and I always enjoy that.
Speaker 4: I think she'll do well, but she might pop off
Speaker 4: a little bit. She doesn't have to be careful. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: So, so you won season two.
Speaker 2: What do you think allowed you to have success and
Speaker 2: win the whole show?
Speaker 3: What brought you that success?
Speaker 2: And looking back on everything you did, the moves you made,
Speaker 2: what do you attribute your success to.
Speaker 4: So I had a really really good mindset going in.
Speaker 4: I was just like so positive, and I feel like
Speaker 4: that really sets the tone for the rest of the show.
Speaker 4: And So I was reading this book called Unbroken, and
Speaker 4: it's about this like ex Olympic athlete who is like,
Speaker 4: you know, then he became a pow and he survived
Speaker 4: all these crazy obstacles in his life and all these
Speaker 4: crazy things. It's like a true survival book. It's also
Speaker 4: talks about his faith a lot. So every night when
Speaker 4: I got home from the castle, on the way back,
Speaker 4: I would go through my head what happened that day.
Speaker 4: I would immediately go and write it down in my
Speaker 4: notebook that everyone made fun of me for. I'd write
Speaker 4: it down. I'd take a shower, I would go through
Speaker 4: scenarios about what would happen the next day. Then I
Speaker 4: would go read a chapter of my book, and then
Speaker 4: I would pray, and then I'd go to bed and
Speaker 4: I would have the same exact thing the next so repetition.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: I was very, very just dialed in and focused. And
Speaker 4: I did that every single night that I got home,
Speaker 4: and in that order, and it just I think, what
Speaker 4: time did you get home depends because sometimes you have
Speaker 4: to stay there so late, I know.
Speaker 1: So it's like not you have to sacrifice your sleep
Speaker 1: to strategize your game exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me to hear say, okay, you took
Speaker 2: your notes, but then you took the next step and
Speaker 2: ran essentially like simulations or potential outcomes and probabilities in
Speaker 2: your head, which leads us to you're now like your
Speaker 2: professional poker player.
Speaker 3: How did you jump? Where did that come about for you?
Speaker 2: Because that's a fairly big jump to go from like,
Speaker 2: you know, early days of MTV to you know, being
Speaker 2: a staple on.
Speaker 3: The poker circuit and the female stuff.
Speaker 4: I started playing poker just recreationally about when I was
Speaker 4: twenty five, I think, and then I started doing these
Speaker 4: local in Los Angeles charity tournaments and kind of these
Speaker 4: home games at people's houses, like Mark Wohlberg had a
Speaker 4: home game like all these other people, right, and so
Speaker 4: it was pretty fun to play with people, but it
Speaker 4: was more light and lighthearted. Well, then I kind of
Speaker 4: started doing really well in the in the charity poker
Speaker 4: turnament circuit, and a couple of pros had realized that
Speaker 4: and they were like this one. Annie Duke is like.
Speaker 3: This shit's like a legend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the legend. She's one of the best poker players
Speaker 4: in the world. So she sat down and talked to
Speaker 4: me and kind of gave me a couple of lessons.
Speaker 4: Phil Locke is another one. Yeah. So actually Jennifer Tilly
Speaker 4: is Philock's girlfriend, and she's going to be on the
Speaker 4: next Beverly Hills Housewife.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So there's a connection, and all roads lead back to Bravo.
Speaker 1: All roads lead back to Bravo. Now, because you are
Speaker 1: in the gambling world, we can call it that. Have
Speaker 1: you followed the gambling scandal on Orange County, Oh with Otani?
Speaker 1: I think it's his name, the baseball player.
Speaker 4: But I heard about it, but I wasn't. I did
Speaker 4: not realize that that was related to some or that
Speaker 4: was a.
Speaker 1: Husband of boyfriend.
Speaker 4: Boyfriend? Is Kate Katies? Is that her name? No, Jen,
Speaker 4: I did not realize that was the same person because
Speaker 4: I had heard about this before. Is this really? Is
Speaker 4: he going to jail? Like what?
Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know, you don't know. There's
Speaker 1: an FBI investigation.
Speaker 4: That's really crazy.
Speaker 3: Let me pivot from the FBI. One more poker question
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: So, as you play in these poker tournaments, you start
Speaker 2: to do while you're I kind of look as like
Speaker 2: iron being sharpened and sharpen. Yeah, what what have you
Speaker 2: been able to take from that? And did you what
Speaker 2: are those skills did you use in the traders to win?
Speaker 2: So I feel like you were like low key. I
Speaker 2: feel like no one there really knew the depth of
Speaker 2: your poker You know acumen. Yeah, do you remember scenarios
Speaker 2: or times and you're like, okay, this is like I've
Speaker 2: done this before, but with cards or you know, lean
Speaker 2: down your skills.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, one hundred percent, like round tables, like keeping
Speaker 4: your cool and stuff, because like there's something in poker
Speaker 4: you can tell when people are breathed. I mean I
Speaker 4: did it the other day when I was playing poker.
Speaker 4: Whenever I was in a hand with someone, I could
Speaker 4: tell that he was nervous and he was bluffing me
Speaker 4: because I could see his heart beating out of his chest.
Speaker 4: And you know, Dan, whenever people were calling you out
Speaker 4: at the roundtable, I looked at you and I could
Speaker 4: see the same thing, Like I could see like your chest,
Speaker 4: like you're breathing and stuff. And it's just like little
Speaker 4: things you can look at people. So I did use
Speaker 4: some of that at the round table. But my whole
Speaker 4: thing is like I love to be underestimated sometimes and
Speaker 4: are like I hate, don't underestimate me. I'm like, please
Speaker 4: underestimate me, please. I love to prove people wrong and
Speaker 4: I like to surprise people, like go ahead, please think
Speaker 4: that I'm stupid, think that you know I suck at
Speaker 4: this well, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think anybody thinks you're stupid. But anyways, but I will
Speaker 1: tell you, if I didn't know all of this and
Speaker 1: I just met you at the castle in Scotland, I
Speaker 1: would be like, oh my god, she's so sweet, she's
Speaker 1: so kind, Like is she gonna make it far? Because
Speaker 1: she's just so sweet? And I'm like now no, And
Speaker 1: I'm like damn yeah, I'm like, what's next? Are you
Speaker 1: an assassin? Like what is going on to me?
Speaker 4: Like, there's a difference between like being sweet in your
Speaker 4: everyday life and being like a kind person and then
Speaker 4: like going hard in gameplay. And I enjoy competition. I
Speaker 4: really do in all aspects.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm kind of like that, although it's not a competition.
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of a competition. On Housewives. Is like
Speaker 1: just very sweet and kind at home and kind of
Speaker 1: have a little bit of social anxiety and don't talk
Speaker 1: that much, and then as soon as the camera comes
Speaker 1: out or the microphone and I'm like, game on, let's
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 4: But that's how I know that you guys would be
Speaker 4: so good at the roundtable, because I feel like every
Speaker 4: episode of the Housewife is like a round tables.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, when did you find
Speaker 1: out that Dan was a trader?
Speaker 4: That Dan was a trader.
Speaker 3: I've always talked about her winning.
Speaker 1: When did you figure out? Was it early on in
Speaker 1: the game, was it later in the game, or did
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 4: Okay? Uh? Janelle told me pretty early on she had
Speaker 4: a good feeling that Dan was a trader, and I
Speaker 4: was just like, well, I don't know. That seems so obvious,
Speaker 4: like because he's like a legend, and that just seems
Speaker 4: too obvious for me that they would have him as
Speaker 4: a trader. And then when I talked to Dan, he
Speaker 4: refused to give me a name. Okay, all right, So
Speaker 4: to me, I was like, okay, there's something up with
Speaker 4: that guy, like no way like and then I was
Speaker 4: just like, Dan, you're gonna have and so yeah, I
Speaker 4: kind of started.
Speaker 1: Were you checking his heartbeat at any given moment to
Speaker 1: make sure he wasn't.
Speaker 4: Lying whenever everybody was coming at him at that roundtable,
Speaker 4: I knew for sure.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. One podcast we had together,
Speaker 1: we were like, let's talk about your exit speech. Dan.
Speaker 1: He's like, let's not.
Speaker 3: So. So you did a phenomenal job in Traders.
Speaker 2: It was fun to watch I felt like, you're very calculated,
Speaker 2: especially like post mortem, right like when I'm watching the show,
Speaker 2: You're very calculated. I felt like you did a phenomenal
Speaker 2: job and you deserve to win. But I, you know,
Speaker 2: not to bring up drama, but at the end, what
Speaker 2: was your take on dealing with gamers versus non gamers?
Speaker 3: And then where does that stand?
Speaker 4: Now? Wait? What do you mean which part?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: So you won the show?
Speaker 2: And then there were some people who are like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a game, and there are some people who
Speaker 2: are like.
Speaker 4: Okay, you talking about MJ.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like you talking about MJ.
Speaker 4: Yes, what is my take on it? Okay, I do
Speaker 4: understand someone like MJ who doesn't come from like a
Speaker 4: gaming background. For her, it was like a shocking and
Speaker 4: very cutthroat and manipulative move that you know what happened
Speaker 4: at the end. But to me, like I said before,
Speaker 4: I really did think that CT could be a trader.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of and once I threw the pouch
Speaker 4: and I couldn't take it back, so I had to.
Speaker 4: I had to vote her out when I thought was
Speaker 4: a trader, Yeah, I thought he could have been recruited
Speaker 4: later on. So but I mean, that's just kind of
Speaker 4: the name of the game. And it's like people are
Speaker 4: mad at Suri for the same thing. But it's that's
Speaker 4: just how it goes. And so you're never going to
Speaker 4: win a show and it be completely clean. I mean, Dan,
Speaker 4: you know from Big Brother, people had beef with you
Speaker 4: as well and said said things, and it's just that's
Speaker 4: how it goes.
Speaker 1: Like where do you stand with m J now? She
Speaker 1: told me that she.
Speaker 4: Was gonna unblock me, but I haven't checked. I don't
Speaker 4: know if she did or not. We talked in LA.
Speaker 4: She was fine, she was completely fine.
Speaker 3: I think you both share a character trait.
Speaker 2: You guys are both very authentic, genuine and kind and
Speaker 2: sweet people.
Speaker 3: But that is not mutually exclusive from playing a game hard.
Speaker 2: You know, like just because you played hard doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're not sweet, kind, authentic in those things. So as
Speaker 2: you move forward from this, because I think the next
Speaker 2: competition show you're going to be on, I think the
Speaker 2: gigs up, Like you can't like you can't hide under this, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm just nice to shell anymore because people that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like a killer. You've done You've you slayed
Speaker 3: a bunch of peace assassin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there should be a competition show about assassins.
Speaker 4: Well, people forget I think that, like because I don't
Speaker 4: talk about it a lot, that I have done all
Speaker 4: these challenges and that I did, like if I really
Speaker 4: want to win something, I'll win it. Like I won
Speaker 4: Fear Factor and I was like the last woman standing
Speaker 4: on a wrestling show with like you know, a bunch
Speaker 4: of people, the whole Cogan Wrestling show. I've done this
Speaker 4: stuff and like.
Speaker 3: Wait, what show is that?
Speaker 4: It was called Celebrity Wrestling Championship and obviously did not
Speaker 4: go anywhere. It was on CMT a long time ago.
Speaker 4: It was pretty funny, like Fear Factor.
Speaker 1: But Fear Factor, Oh my god, that's one show that
Speaker 1: that did you have? When'd you have to eat?
Speaker 4: I didn't have to eat anything. I told I would not.
Speaker 4: I said I'm not eating anything, and they did not
Speaker 4: make anybody eat stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, I said with Traders that I'm claustrophobic. I'm not
Speaker 1: being buried alive. It ain't happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was surprised they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: I know no way.
Speaker 2: So shall I have to ask about the Bravo crossover?
Speaker 2: So my wife's watching. She always watches Bravo and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, like below decks on. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: trisall like how does that happen?
Speaker 1: Like how you everywhere?
Speaker 4: I filmed that before Traders? Okay I did, yeah.
Speaker 3: And then how does that work? Like how do you?
Speaker 3: How do you end up on below Deck?
Speaker 4: So I can't believe it took them a year to
Speaker 4: air the show. So we filmed it like last summer,
Speaker 4: and this is before I even found out for sure
Speaker 4: that I was going to do The Traders. And my
Speaker 4: friend Brittany was like, you know, let's she was looking
Speaker 4: into yachts like in Greece, and she was like, it's
Speaker 4: actually like a little bit better of a deal if
Speaker 4: we go on below deck. You still have to pay
Speaker 4: for it, but like it's a little little better of
Speaker 4: a deal. And she's like, wouldn't it be a fun experience?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't think they're gonna pick
Speaker 4: us to be on below deck because she did America's
Speaker 4: Next Top Model. She's one of my best friends, and
Speaker 4: I did Real World. I was like, I don't think
Speaker 4: that they want like all these other shows on below deck,
Speaker 4: but they totally did. They were like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: we had so much fun. I'm so glad that they
Speaker 4: didn't show a lot of our last night that we
Speaker 4: were on there. We all got like blackout drunk.
Speaker 1: I don't know, HOLLI.
Speaker 4: Didn't show Wow, Captain Sandy told me to go to bed.
Speaker 1: Don't you love Captain Sandy?
Speaker 4: She is the best. I absolutely adored her. She's so
Speaker 4: cool and she's so pretty in person. Wow, I didn't
Speaker 4: expect she's like flawless.
Speaker 2: Michelle Tamer had a question to ask you about below Deck,
Speaker 2: but she's a little bashful to ask.
Speaker 3: What remember you? You were asking you?
Speaker 2: Like, Dan, should I ask to Selle how much it
Speaker 2: cost to go below deck?
Speaker 3: And I said, I don't know if we should ask
Speaker 3: her that. You don't remember that?
Speaker 1: So foolish, Dan, you said that can you.
Speaker 3: Give us a window? Could you give us a window?
Speaker 2: Like roughly, I don't know how much it costed charter
Speaker 2: yeat like much because they asked.
Speaker 1: Me to do it.
Speaker 4: Okay, so okay, I don't know about how much it
Speaker 4: was for you. I think for us it was about
Speaker 4: like twenty five thousand per couple for like two days. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think you know.
Speaker 1: And then we tipped that like twelve thousand a person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wes for two days, right, and then I think
Speaker 4: they had three day ones, but we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Was the every day that that well, I'd never end
Speaker 1: up doing it because I had to do Ultimate Girl.
Speaker 1: I did Ultimate Girls strip instead. But I was always
Speaker 1: concerned because when we film our reality show, you know, Housewives,
Speaker 1: there's no music. You have to you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, is it really there's any party if there's
Speaker 1: no music.
Speaker 4: There's no music. But we were so entertained by there
Speaker 4: was just constant food, constant drinks, and the toys, and
Speaker 4: they kept you so entertained that you didn't realize.
Speaker 1: How much out of the day did you actually film,
Speaker 1: because the show is really based on you know, the
Speaker 1: people on the crew. Oh the crew.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so they filmed. They filmed us pretty all
Speaker 4: a lot, I guess. But then they took our mics
Speaker 4: at like eleven pm. They would just take your mic
Speaker 4: and be like, if you're gonna go to bed, just
Speaker 4: pretend like you're gonna go to bed, and then go
Speaker 4: back up if you want to hand out, like they
Speaker 4: didn't care. But and then they have stationary cameras like
Speaker 4: in case something crazy happens like someone breaks their neck
Speaker 4: or whatever whenever everyone's asleep. But yeah, it's so Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not that much. I didn't think it was that
Speaker 4: expensive for all what we got. Yeah, and then we
Speaker 4: paid it actually to watch it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it was like normal. But it's funny to
Speaker 4: see my husband on TV because he's like a normal guy.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I got so excited. I was like,
Speaker 4: there's John, Like, I mean kind of you probably felt
Speaker 4: the same way with Eddie.
Speaker 1: How is he when the cameras came up? Was he natural?
Speaker 1: Was he nerve? Was he stilly? Like just himself?
Speaker 4: He was a natural. He was good. I actually think
Speaker 4: that he liked the camera. I was like, oh, you're
Speaker 4: one of those.
Speaker 1: I was like, babe, when's our next reality show?
Speaker 4: I think he would do one. Honestly, he enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: He thought it was really cool.
Speaker 1: Well, if you come move to Orange County, you know,
Speaker 1: we're always looking for good cast members.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I could think of a few on your show
Speaker 4: that I'd like to take the place, though, just because
Speaker 4: I'm done watching them.
Speaker 1: I came to that spot spot as well.
Speaker 2: Speaking of next shows, are there any competition shows that
Speaker 2: you haven't done yet that you're like, I would love
Speaker 2: to play and compete in this.
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, I actually was talking to someone. I don't
Speaker 4: even know if I should say this. Well, I did
Speaker 4: talk to someone about Deal or No Deal Island too,
Speaker 4: but they took someone else and I won't say who
Speaker 4: it is from our traders cast on it and so
Speaker 4: so when someone else is doing it, which I'm very
Speaker 4: excited to watch this person, but I think I would
Speaker 4: do so well in Deal and o'deal Island because it's
Speaker 4: a lot of statistics as well as competition, and I'm
Speaker 4: good with statistics. Hello poker, And so I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: I'm so bunks. I feel like I could have won
Speaker 4: that show. But whatever, next season maybe yeah, maybe next season.
Speaker 4: But big Brother would be like I love Big Brother
Speaker 4: so much?
Speaker 1: Wrong with you? Who want to stay in a house
Speaker 1: for however long month? Two months with people you don't
Speaker 1: really know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I like the mental aspect of
Speaker 4: it because I see people really falling apart on that show,
Speaker 4: and I find it very interesting when people can't mentally
Speaker 4: handle stuff. I like it.
Speaker 1: Do you use your expertise in gaming with your husband
Speaker 1: and your relationship you too, Dan, is that something you
Speaker 1: use like? I feel like I don't know that i'd
Speaker 1: want to be married to a gamer. They can really
Speaker 1: play you.
Speaker 3: I can say this really quick story.
Speaker 2: So when I drove my kids and I dropped them
Speaker 2: off at summer camp today, and they know when they're
Speaker 2: in the car with dad, they get like a little.
Speaker 3: Fruit flavored tiktach.
Speaker 2: So I have a seven or eight year old six
Speaker 2: year old and my two year old daughter, and so
Speaker 2: I get my all tiktak and they all think it's funny.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, my my daughter starts crying.
Speaker 2: She's like, Dad, I drop my tic tech. I dropped
Speaker 2: my tic tech. I turn around to give her another one.
Speaker 2: She smiles at me, opens her hand and she has
Speaker 2: the other one in there. So she played me for
Speaker 2: two tic tacks. I think it might be genetic. But
Speaker 2: do you do like you if you want to get
Speaker 2: something done, Y's like gamesmanship, not manipulation.
Speaker 1: Okay, what I.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't have to manipulate my husband because he
Speaker 4: never tells me no. He always says yes. But I
Speaker 4: mean he thinks it's so cool that I play poker.
Speaker 4: And he wants to learn, and he's always like, teach me,
Speaker 4: teach me. But I'm like, no, you were a fighter pilot,
Speaker 4: you did all this cool stuff in your life, Like,
Speaker 4: let this be my cool thing. So I don't even
Speaker 4: want him to learn because he's very, very smart, and
Speaker 4: I know that he would like end up killing it.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, no, like, let me have my thing
Speaker 4: and you do your thing.
Speaker 2: So Shishaw, as we wrap things up here, You've had
Speaker 2: an amazing reality TV career and you've done so many
Speaker 2: different things and you've been ever like pivot and do
Speaker 2: pretty much.
Speaker 3: Whatever you've wanted.
Speaker 2: What at this point in your life, what does success
Speaker 2: look like to you now? And what continues to push
Speaker 2: you and what are you shooting for?
Speaker 4: Ah? I mean, I feel like I already was on
Speaker 4: and won the greatest show that's on TV right now.
Speaker 4: I mean, y'all for Emmy is like that's I know.
Speaker 4: So it's so exciting just to be a part of
Speaker 4: the show. And so I'm like, am I gonna get
Speaker 4: another show that's better than this? I don't know. I mean, uh,
Speaker 4: I think that I would love to do more television
Speaker 4: and even if it's a show that's non that's reality,
Speaker 4: that's non competition. I would love to do that as well.
Speaker 4: I would love a Housewives show. I mean I told
Speaker 4: Andy that, He's like, we'll see, but yeah, I would
Speaker 4: love that. I think it'd be fun and I just
Speaker 4: want to And then I use some of my money
Speaker 4: to invest in a medical company from the traders that
Speaker 4: I won. So I'm kind of diversifying a little bit
Speaker 4: because we were we talked about this Dan that we
Speaker 4: were doing real estate stuff and now I'm kind of
Speaker 4: doing medical stuff.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know, you've been on a
Speaker 1: lot of competition shows, You've won a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Is there something that you do, Like do you like
Speaker 1: I'm going to take X amount and you know, buy
Speaker 1: something nice for myself or I invest it or because
Speaker 1: there's so many people that win prizes and they just
Speaker 1: shit their money away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, investing is really what I'm focused on right now,
Speaker 4: investing and doing like little small business opportunities here and there.
Speaker 4: I really am more focusing on kind of being an
Speaker 4: entrepreneur more. And you know, my sister in law just
Speaker 4: started a winery, so we'll probably be doing stuff with that.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, there's like a lot of opportunities, but
Speaker 4: I always buy myself nice things like you should see
Speaker 4: in my closet right now across.
Speaker 1: Keep moving girl. Yeah yeah. If you can give one
Speaker 1: piece of advice to listeners who are interested in auditioning
Speaker 1: for the Challenge or Traders or Big Brother or anything
Speaker 1: like that, what would it be?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I think, uh, don't try too hard.
Speaker 4: I feel like now the people on there, they try
Speaker 4: so hard, and in their audition tapes, it's just like,
Speaker 4: really be yourself. If you are having a day where
Speaker 4: you don't want to be like super, you know, over
Speaker 4: the top, then show that, and you know, then your
Speaker 4: next interview you might feel differently and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 4: this person is not faking the whole time. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's hard because I don't know what they look for now.
Speaker 4: I don't even know why I'm still on telepone.
Speaker 1: I think that's great. Is it don't try? That's actually
Speaker 1: what got me cast on Housewives is I just didn't try.
Speaker 1: Like they're like, here's an application, it's seven hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety two pages, go ahead and fill it out and
Speaker 1: submit it. I'm like, then they call me, did you
Speaker 1: fill it out? I'm like, no, okay, well we still
Speaker 1: want to see you. Okay, you know, it's just didn't.
Speaker 4: That's exactly me for the real world. It took me
Speaker 4: months to fill out. They were like all they were like,
Speaker 4: you were cast. All you have to do is fell
Speaker 4: out the paperwork and just like film a video to
Speaker 4: show that you tried. And it took me so long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I was just like, no, if it's
Speaker 1: meant to be, it's meant to be. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to break my back trying to prove that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the girl that you want. But Dan asked you
Speaker 1: about what success looks to your life, and you answered
Speaker 1: that now has the idea of success changed from when
Speaker 1: you've gotten older gained more life experience.
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I think so because I did shit away
Speaker 4: a lot of my money in the beginning. When I
Speaker 4: was telling you earlier about how I did all these
Speaker 4: appearances and everything. In my twenties, I made so much
Speaker 4: money I could own a house in Los Angeles right now,
Speaker 4: and all I did was take my friends on trips
Speaker 4: and pay money thirty thousand dollars for a table in
Speaker 4: Vegas with a bunch of bottles for strangers. I think,
Speaker 4: good girl, really really stupid things with my money, And
Speaker 4: I think that what I would tell any right now
Speaker 4: is to like be smart, invest and be careful, don't
Speaker 4: just like go crazy in the beginning. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think back and I'm like, I could have done so
Speaker 4: much more.
Speaker 3: But was there a moment when You're like, I got
Speaker 3: to stop this or I mean it's yeah, like somebody, yeah,
Speaker 3: spending like thirty thousand dollars for a night out or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whenever they stopped paying me five grand for appearances
Speaker 4: and they started people were doing it for five hundred,
Speaker 4: and I realized that they could get three people for
Speaker 4: the price of one, and I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: I should have saved my money.
Speaker 1: I've done that too, Like I spent fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for a house and actually my husband did it for
Speaker 1: my birthday, but fifty thousand for a house in Cabo,
Speaker 1: Like this giant house invited like twenty people to come
Speaker 1: and celebrate my birthday.
Speaker 4: That's a lot, but it's I bet it was epic though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, you know, sometimes it's nice to do
Speaker 1: something like that. It's fun, but I rarely nowadays, like
Speaker 1: I'm like you. I just I don't give a shit
Speaker 1: if people think I'm dirt ass poor or I'm just
Speaker 1: investing my money and I'm not the girl that shows up,
Speaker 1: you know, with drenched in Chanelle or Gucci. I'm like, not,
Speaker 1: you know what, I wear my clothes once on the
Speaker 1: show once exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna put my money where
Speaker 1: it's gonna make me money.
Speaker 4: That's not important. And you know it's funny. It's like
Speaker 4: a lot of the girls that I hear that are
Speaker 4: interviewing for New Orleans Housewives or whatever, these are the
Speaker 4: girls that really it's like you're wearing every dime you.
Speaker 1: Have, right, That's like one of my biggest pet peeves
Speaker 1: are actually like girls that come on the show franchises
Speaker 1: all over for Housewives, and they're wearing Faketionel and they're
Speaker 1: wearing like, if you're gonna wear Fictionel, make sure Chanel
Speaker 1: makes that yeah, because you look you look ridiculous.
Speaker 4: That is so crazy to me. Yeah, I mean I'd
Speaker 4: rather just wear she and than fake Chanel.
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I say. I'd rather go to Target
Speaker 1: than Yeah. Yeah, Well, thank you so much, Dan, Do
Speaker 1: you have any more questions?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just learning about like now, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: it's a learning experience every podcast, and I'm glad I'm
Speaker 2: here to just soak.
Speaker 3: It all in. And I learned. I've learned about extensions.
Speaker 3: I've learned today about glitter in the eyes. You know,
Speaker 3: I've learned a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, you have an extensions. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you think this shit's real?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't it be? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I have a question for you guys. So, Tamra, after
Speaker 4: doing The Traders, and I wish to god that you
Speaker 4: would have stayed longer. I was so bummed whenever you left.
Speaker 4: You left because you're very competitive too. Do you think
Speaker 4: that you would do another competition type show? Oh?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 1: Being away from my house and my family for you know,
Speaker 1: three to four weeks is tough for me. And I
Speaker 1: knew that going in, and I kind of had myself
Speaker 1: psyched out and I was scared and nervous. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I'll do one like that. I could do.
Speaker 1: I would do like a physical competition show. I just
Speaker 1: wish they'd give you your damn phone like I had.
Speaker 1: I still have a daughter at home, you know, in
Speaker 1: businesses and it's like very hard to disconnect and go
Speaker 1: another country where you're so far away with zero communication.
Speaker 1: That's the toughest part for me. The the physical part
Speaker 1: of it I love, I absolutely love, and then the mind.
Speaker 1: I can do that all day long.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know what I told Andy when I last
Speaker 4: time I did watch What Happens Live, I said, I
Speaker 4: want you to do a challenge, but for housewives, like
Speaker 4: a Housewives game.
Speaker 1: I've been saying that forever. I've been saying that it
Speaker 1: needs to happen. I would I would do the House
Speaker 1: of Villains. I would do that.
Speaker 3: Oh you villain everyone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but there's like, yeah, like Teresa was on it,
Speaker 1: she's not exactly a villain. Like there's like there's other
Speaker 1: housewives that have done it, and I think it's like
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more relaxed. You're not there as
Speaker 1: long you're in LA, you're allowed to use your phone
Speaker 1: like something like that. I would feel more comfortable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, I would love it to see you on that. Dan,
Speaker 4: what about you? No more? Big brother?
Speaker 2: I mean I feel very very much the way you
Speaker 2: do about the Traders is like, you know, I love
Speaker 2: my time my big brother but Peacocks set the bar
Speaker 2: so high, and it's like, unless it's that or better.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they'll have like an all Star Traders
Speaker 1: and both of you guys will be on it.
Speaker 4: You too, No too, no longer.
Speaker 1: I was there like four episodes sicker than a dog.
Speaker 1: So you see that's why you need to say i'd
Speaker 1: have PTSD going back. Oh well, thank you guys so much. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was great catching up. When you're gonna come out
Speaker 1: this way anytime soon?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully soon.
Speaker 2: My question real quick, do you think like if we
Speaker 2: ask for one of the because I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: win multi Emmies, do you think we can ask for
Speaker 2: them to like slice one of them up into twenty pieces?
Speaker 3: That's a fair question.
Speaker 1: We just get a mini, give us a mini, yes,
Speaker 1: like a little cute one, like a key chain version.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is pretty damn cool to be on
Speaker 1: a cast that's in a show that's nominated for an
Speaker 1: Emmy and you know they're gonna win. Yeah, they won
Speaker 1: last year?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Do they win last year too?
Speaker 3: They're just nominated.
Speaker 4: I think they're just nominated one.
Speaker 1: Well, it just win in this year, and I have
Speaker 1: a hard time believing they're going to be able to
Speaker 1: beat the cast they had for season two.
Speaker 4: I was thinking that too. Everyone keeps asking me that
Speaker 4: as well, and I just but, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure how you guys felt. I didn't know that
Speaker 4: it was going to be such a huge success when
Speaker 4: I was there. I remember being at the round table
Speaker 4: a couple times and being like, God, THEA sure just
Speaker 4: say that. I was like, that's hysterical or just like
Speaker 4: thinking these things, But I wasn't sure how everybody else
Speaker 4: would receive it. So, I mean, maybe this cast might
Speaker 4: surprises with the dynamics between them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope it does.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see. I'm excited. I'll be watching. Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We appreciate you taking the time
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 4: I miss y'all, Tamara. I want to come visit you
Speaker 4: guys in Big Bear.
Speaker 1: Yes, let me know when. I love that, let me
Speaker 1: know when.
Speaker 3: Thanks Chelle, we really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you much.
Speaker 1: By great week back