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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ Bucky.

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Speaker 1: Here a little post Combine pre free agency edition of

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Speaker 1: the show, Buck, what's going on? Man? Man? Just trying

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Speaker 1: to recover from a fun fuel week of combine. Cover

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Speaker 1: is trying to look at all the numbers, trying to

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Speaker 1: process at all see what it means? Yeah, it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's almost overwhelming. I get home after midnight and then

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Speaker 1: you wake up this morning and you're like, what just happened?

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Speaker 1: Let's trying to figure out digest everything that went on

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Speaker 1: at the Combine. But we're gonna jump into that a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on in the show. Go through a

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Speaker 1: pre or a review of how the quarterbacks did. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We got a fun debate topic today, Buck, Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: would be really really good. Yeah, talking about what do

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Speaker 1: you do with the number one overall pick is a

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Speaker 1: running back and play They're smart or not smart? Little

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Speaker 1: Mika Fitzpatrick versus Derwin James discussion of course, the man

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Speaker 1: of the Combine, Keim Griffin. We'll talk about his performance

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Speaker 1: in what his draft stock looks like, as well as

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Speaker 1: maybe this a little sneak peak. We got a new

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Speaker 1: mock draft. I've got new mock draft out there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: give me some insight and a couple of the selections

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Speaker 1: that I made there. But Buck, I say we start

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Speaker 1: off before we get to the combine recap. We've got

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Speaker 1: some news just fresh off the press here. Allen Robinson

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Speaker 1: and the Marcus Joiner will be tagged by the Rams,

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Speaker 1: not Sammy Watkins. So two bit pretty interesting stories there.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the franchise tag, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: both are very interesting. But I think it really shows

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Speaker 1: the depth of your team when you can make decisions

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Speaker 1: like this. When you look at the jackson With Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: the decision to bypass on given Allen Robinson the tag,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. Their young receivers play well enough to

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Speaker 1: get them to the f C Championship Game, and they

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Speaker 1: probably should have won the AFC Championship Game without Allen Robinson.

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Speaker 1: To me, that means you can move on, find someone

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Speaker 1: else in the draft, maybe put those other guys and

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Speaker 1: markets Joiner, the markets joining is very very import into

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Speaker 1: him a versatile player. And so if they can keep

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Speaker 1: him and then somehow find a way to convince Tremaine

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Speaker 1: here in a second. On Allen Robinson thing, just being

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Speaker 1: at the combine talking to a bunch of different teams.

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Speaker 1: This was a guy people were paying attention to. A

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Speaker 1: couple of teams. I would keeping on at least talking

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Speaker 1: to folks around the league. Chicago, San Francisco, Baltimore, all

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Speaker 1: three teams looking for a steady presence, a young veteran

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Speaker 1: and Alan Robinson still. I know he's coming off injury, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think he's twenty five years old. You plug him

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Speaker 1: in with Chicago where you've got a Trabinsky and year

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Speaker 1: with a strong veteran receiver. I think he's very much

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Speaker 1: in play there in Chicago, they could throw big money

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. You need to get him some toys that

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Speaker 1: would make sense there in the Baltimore Ravens. Look haven't

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Speaker 1: has continued. They have hit on free agent wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: need for that ball club. I would think Allen Robinson

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Speaker 1: the Rams chose to tag Joinner. I think you bring

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Speaker 1: tough and you gotta figure two. Has you know played

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Speaker 1: a good formula for success for Wade Phillips and company.

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Speaker 1: everyone is about alike and really from two to twelve

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Speaker 1: So Dan Marinos walking to the interviews in the evening,

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Speaker 1: Night Writer. How great is that? That's pretty funny. I

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's jump into these quarterbacks here. How

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Speaker 1: to touch on Sam Donald, who I believe is the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback in this draft class. I think you have

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Speaker 1: him as a number two quarterback. Buck he elected not

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Speaker 1: The decision be doesn't hurt him your thoughts. I think

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Speaker 1: on the left side at three in succession that were

432
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Speaker 1: they were beautiful. But on we were throwing corner routes,

433
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Speaker 1: I thought a ball is flat, and I thought his

434
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,440
Speaker 1: feet I thought he was didn't have that same sharpness

435
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 1: or Christmas to his feet. He was real short and

436
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 1: has drop, didn't have a lot of urgency getting back there.

437
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,879
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if he was overthinking or what.

438
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,720
Speaker 1: I just expected to see more, because when you watch him,

439
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,200
Speaker 1: everything's crisp and sharp in the pocket and the ball

440
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 1: jumps out of his hand. I thought we would be

441
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 1: buzzing again. I look as a B plus workout, it

442
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 1: was not bad. I just coming off of a Josh

443
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,439
Speaker 1: Allen at a Plus um Man I thought was a

444
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,680
Speaker 1: little bit less than what I expected there from Josh Rosen. Yeah,

445
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 1: it was a little less than what expect I thought

446
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 1: he would put on a better performance. But he will

447
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to perform at his prote and I

448
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 1: think that's the beauty of working out at the COMMA.

449
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: As much as we talk about it in the short term,

450
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 1: it really doesn't mean anything. In the long term. People

451
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,399
Speaker 1: will get him at his pro day deal, put him

452
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,639
Speaker 1: on a script, they will see what he brings to

453
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Speaker 1: the table, and they will see how he fits within

454
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Speaker 1: their system. I just thought that he would light it

455
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: up because he would kind of create the conversation like, Okay,

456
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: I see why people are excited about Josh Rosen. Alright,

457
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: let's go to Let's go to Lamar Lamar Jackson. Lamar

458
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: Jackson was disappointing in a couple of different um aspects.

459
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,159
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is without question the most explosive athlete of

460
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 1: the Lamar Jackson elected not to run, and I understand

461
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: on the outside they were talking about, oh, the position

462
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 1: change and those things. But I'm a firm believer that

463
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Speaker 1: whatever your talents are, let people remind people at every

464
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 1: turn your gifts. He is gifted as an athlete. So

465
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 1: if he comes in he blisses a forty and four

466
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: four or under range, you talk about, wow, how dangerous

467
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: he could be. Then if you go and see the

468
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 1: challenges that he may have have as a thrower, you

469
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: can still say, look, he's a dual thread. He's gonna

470
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: work through that. But if we could just fix this

471
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 1: port to go with that athleticism, the buzz is still positive.

472
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: By now putting all the focus and emphasis on the throwing,

473
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: we spend all of our time nitpicking the area that

474
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: is probably not the strong point of his game. And

475
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: so it wasn't awful, But some of the things we

476
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Speaker 1: we saw in the film continue to show up. The footwork,

477
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 1: the narrow base, the ball um didn't necessarily always hit

478
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: the strikes one, particularly on outbreaking routes. But the positive

479
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: out of it, the dude has tremendous arm talent. He

480
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: has a strong whip. He could through it all over

481
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: the yard. It's a matter of taking him where he

482
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: is and trying to refine it enough where he can

483
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: be a competent passer in the league to go with

484
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Speaker 1: the athleticism that he's also gonna bring to the position. Yeah.

485
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 1: I didn't think he just let it rip either. I

486
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: thought he just kind of it was like, hey, the

487
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: goal was completion, so he backed off. Um, just he

488
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: was guiding the ball. I just want to see him. Hey,

489
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: if you missed a couple, that's fine, but just let

490
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: it rip a little bit. We know you've got a

491
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: really strong arm he does have. The drops weren't terrible.

492
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Speaker 1: They weren't great, but it was not terrible. Just again,

493
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: he gets to the top of his drop, he's up

494
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: and down. Um, he's got to widen out a little bit.

495
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: So some works still to do there with him. And

496
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, I would have had him if I

497
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: was advising him. I know he didn't have an agent,

498
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: but if I was advising him. Look, if you're a

499
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: fast run man, always run, always show off. It's like

500
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: going to watch Dominique Wilkins. Uh, you know, go through

501
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: the layup line and and just slap the glass. I mean,

502
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: just just just just just do it. That's what I mean.

503
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: That's what you're talented and blessed with. You are a

504
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: phenomenal app man. Let them know, and look what to

505
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: talk about you playing wide receiver whatever. They didn't like

506
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: your quarterback anyway. So what's you're You're not trying to

507
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: convince those people. What you're trying to do is can

508
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: confirm to the people that believe you to five, six, seven,

509
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: eight nine, teams that think that Lamar Jackson gonna be

510
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: a star quarterback, You're trying to confirm to them, absolutely,

511
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: I can be a fantastic quarterback at the next level.

512
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: Watch me work. This is how I get them. Yeah,

513
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of it was kind of ironic. You had

514
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: Sam Donald not throwing and Lamar Jackson not running, So

515
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: it's neither one of them accentuated the best part of

516
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: their game, that's for sure. All right, Buck, let's let's

517
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: get into this here real quick. I think we might

518
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: be on opposite sides on this one. Uh. The first

519
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: overall pick, the Cleveland Browns. Look, I have I believe

520
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: as you do. The number one player in this draft,

521
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: of sake, Kwon Barkley. You can make case he's got

522
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: the highest heiling and the highest floor, which is crazy

523
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: when you think about it, but you look at the

524
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: way he came out there, and worked out the way

525
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: he interviewed the characters off the charts. Um, he can

526
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: do everything that He's limitless in terms of how you

527
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: can fund, how he could function within any offense, run game,

528
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: pass game, you name it, he can do it. Um

529
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: elite size, elite speed, elite athleticism, elite character, on and

530
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: on and on and on and on and on and on.

531
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Speaker 1: So a lot of buzzes out there saying, hey, Cleveland,

532
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: first overall pick, just take the best player, which is

533
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: see Kwon Barkley, and you can circle back and see

534
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: what's left at the quarterback spot. I do not think

535
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: that's the right move here. What do you think, Buck?

536
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: You know I'm gonna go on the other end. I

537
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: absolutely believe that you have to take the best player available.

538
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: If you take the best player available at every pick,

539
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: you have a team full of really good players and

540
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: you can figure out a way to work around it.

541
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I know there's been some consternation about taking running backs

542
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: at the top of the charts, but the last three

543
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: or four running backs that have been taken within the

544
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: top five have absolutely delivered on the promise. Ezekiel Elliott

545
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: led the Dallas Cowboys to the playoffs in his first

546
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: season led the league in Russian Leonard for Nett really

547
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: set the tone for the Jackson Jaguars offense as they

548
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: made a deep run into the postseason. And then when

549
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: you look at ty Gurl, who wasn't a top five

550
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: pick but number eight, he is played at the m

551
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: v P level to help the Rams get back. When

552
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: I look at Sae Kwon Barkley, it's all about the

553
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: three piece performance, production and prototype. The performance during the

554
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: year outstanding. He has the footwork to balance, the versatility

555
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: to play in the backfield, out wide. He can catch it,

556
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: he can run, he can do all those things. Five

557
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: thousand scrimming yards in his career. You love what he

558
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: brings to the table. That's kind of that new school

559
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: hybrid but in a big body. And then the prototype

560
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: six ft two three pounds four four vertical, all the

561
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: things that you like to see. And then when you

562
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: check off the person, the character is exemplary. I don't

563
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: know how you can miss on that. Now, if you

564
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: take him and he gets injured, yeah there's some egg

565
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: in your face. But injuries happened to everybody. But at

566
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: number one, I want to make sure I hit it

567
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: right down to fairway. I don't think you can miss

568
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: with Sakwar Barkley at um. All right now, I'm gonna

569
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 1: give you the other side of the argument here. Let

570
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: me see here. Uh well you can John Carter, No,

571
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm just writing down some names here. I'm

572
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: right down some names. Um let's go. I think of

573
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: this last one here. Now, here's what we got. So

574
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you take you take

575
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Speaker 1: the quarterback because it impacts your team more than any

576
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: other position. And you can even look at it from

577
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 1: the standpoint of man. I hope, I hope he has

578
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: a long career. I hope Sa Kwan has a longer

579
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: great player. In all likelihood, you're talking about a five

580
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: or six year run for running back of high, high

581
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: high production. Sam Donald could be He's twenty years old.

582
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Sam Donald could be a quarterback for fifteen plus years.

583
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: If you if you, if you're comfortable with him, which

584
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: I am, then you tell him. I get Sam Donald.

585
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: I can get Minka Fitzpatrick at four or you know,

586
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: Denzel Ward, whatever secondary player you like. I'm finding either way,

587
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: and then I can get a guy like Darius Guys

588
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: with the thirty third pick. So Darius Guys is not

589
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: sa Kwan Barkley. No, I get that, but he's pretty

590
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: darn good. So I would rather have the package of

591
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: Donald Minka and Geiss versus the package of say Kuan Mayfield,

592
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: and then the corner at thirty three of your choice. Buck,

593
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: let's say Isaiah Oliver, just to put a name to it,

594
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: so that would be, you know, stack those up, Donald Minka,

595
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: Geiss versus say Kuan Mayfield Oliver. I mean, I can't

596
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: dispute that line of thinking, and the line of thinking

597
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: is nice. But here here's what. Here's what my concern

598
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: isn't taking the quarterback. If I take the quarterback Sam Donald,

599
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: or whoever I take it at number one, I have

600
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: a room with Sam Donald, Deshaun Kaiser, Cody Kessler, or

601
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan. I don't know. I don't know. I don't

602
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: know if that's what that room is gonna look like.

603
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who's teaching that. So

604
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: then I'm saying, okay, So now the thought is, okay,

605
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: well we're gonna sign it utteran okay, which they will.

606
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: I will at the cafe. They will. So so now

607
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Okay, I'm not gonna get Kirk Cousins because

608
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and I go sign for there. So now

609
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: my choice is have case Keenum, I have Aj mccaren,

610
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: I have whoever trade for a guy that had a

611
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: lot of confetti on his shoulders? Right? Okay, but what

612
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: what is that? What is that bringing me? Like? Am

613
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: I getting better with that? We need to win. We're

614
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: one in thirty one. We need to win games. And

615
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: for me to win games is to make sure that

616
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: that's around my team with the best talent available. I

617
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: think sae Quon Barkley is the best player. I'm willing

618
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: to take him at number one because I'm not necessarily

619
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: convinced that any of these quarterbacks are worthy of being

620
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: the number one overall quarterback. When it comes to what

621
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: they're going to bring in the immediate short term, if

622
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: you draft Sam Donald, do you think they will be

623
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: back looking for a quarterback in three years? I mean,

624
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's after. That's the question, because

625
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: if you think Sam Donald is a player they will

626
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: not have to replace, He's gonna be there the long

627
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: term starting quarterback a team. We've seen the Jersey with

628
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: a million names on it because they keep cycling through

629
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks the franchise that has been irrelevant for

630
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: darn near twenty years because they can't get this position right.

631
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: I just think when I look at it and say,

632
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: if you think this is a guy, you can actually

633
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: have some stability at the position. There's conviction within the room,

634
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: and while we may not think he's gonna end up

635
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: being a top five quarterback, we feel real confident he's

636
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a top twelve to fifteen quarterback and we've

637
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: got our guy and we can fill in around him.

638
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: I just think he's dangerous to go with that that

639
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: line of thinking. I know in in in recent years

640
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: has been done like that, like people have overvalued quarterbacks,

641
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: are kind of pushed him up the yard. But I

642
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: just think he's dangerous when you start making guys out

643
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: to be something that they're they're not. If he was

644
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: the best player and it was clear and appearance that

645
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: Sam Donald was the best player, I would endorse the

646
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: pig and say, look, take the quarterback, he's your guy.

647
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: But to Joe take a quarterback to say like this

648
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be my guy for the next five or

649
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: so years, he's like here's the thing. And I'm not

650
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: saying that he is this, but it's Blake Borders, right.

651
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Blake Borders was taken in three So now you rush

652
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: them into the lineup and we all are like, uh,

653
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: we're working around, we'll build this will actually, but now

654
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: we have a nine team, million dollar quarterback that no

655
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: one has really fired up about and that conviction. Like,

656
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: even though some in that building in Jacksonville may have

657
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: been convicted on the outside, we're still like, Man, I

658
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I would just like to draft guys that

659
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: I really feel like, this is the best player, This

660
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: is the best player for us at this pick, and

661
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: go about it that way. Here's my counter to that.

662
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: I know I did not have I love Carson Wentz,

663
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: but I did not have him as the best football

664
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: player in that draft. Did you. I didn't have him

665
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: as the best football player, but I put a seventh

666
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: three grade on him. So that's I think he was

667
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: the best player in that draft. I have been hindsight,

668
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: the Brown should have taken him. I didn't think. I

669
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: didn't look I Shawn Watson, I had the top quarterback,

670
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: but I think I had him in the early twenties

671
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: in terms of overall players obviously ended up being much

672
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: better than that. But I'm just saying at the quarterback position,

673
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I think you don't want to make exceptions, but that's

674
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: the one position where you say, Okay, I will take

675
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: a good quarterback over a great whatever else because that

676
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: can impact your team a lot more than any other position.

677
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: And it's not even really close when you talk about

678
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: positional value for your team. I do understand how much

679
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: he can impact the position to understand how important the

680
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: quarterback position is. But as we as we make it

681
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: like the truck and trailer analogy, and we go back

682
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: and forth, do we really feel like like, if you

683
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: feel like he's a truck, he's gonna carry the team,

684
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: then cool. But if we feel like he's a trailer,

685
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna have all these other things that we have

686
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: to do to help him. UM kind of man. Not Bordles,

687
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: though I'm not saying no, I'm not saying it, but

688
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I wasn't saying that. I want

689
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: to make sure so I don't want the sound bite

690
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: to be I'm comparing Sam Donald to Bortles. I'm just

691
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: saying the risk of indrew it was it was um

692
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater and Manzield and Borders or

693
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: whatever in this In this draft, I'm just saying, I

694
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: just want to be careful that I get it right,

695
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: that I make sure I get really good football players,

696
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: and I don't acquiesce to the fans needs and all

697
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: the outside stuff that I really feel like this guy's

698
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the best guy force because we miss out on him.

699
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: All right, so we don't get him, we don't get

700
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: se Kuan. We come down and maybe we get a

701
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: good Mankan Fispatch, but I don't know how much mank

702
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: is really going to impact our team. Um, I won't

703
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: impact players. I just want to make sure that I

704
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: get impact players at one and four. It doesnt matter

705
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: how you look at it. Yeah, no, it's it's a

706
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: fun discussion. Oh look, you know one thing that we

707
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: we we forgot and talking about quarterbacks and we spend

708
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: time on Donald Baker Mayfield. What do you think about

709
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's performance? We even we don't even gone. Yeah,

710
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: what do you think about Baker Mayfield's performance at the Common? Yeah?

711
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: I know, I thought I thought Baker threw it well.

712
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: I would put Baker second in terms of how he

713
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: threw it there right behind Josh Allen. I thought he

714
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: actually threw the ball better than Rosen did. Um even

715
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: tweeted out after his first two throws. I I we

716
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: talked about this after I went and saw him. Um

717
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: what what you don't understand if you watch him on

718
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: tape you don't get an appreciation for his arm strength.

719
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: And when you see him live, and this is now, gosh,

720
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: the third time I've seen him live this year, I'm

721
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: always like, oh, yeah, that's what you wanted to look like.

722
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: The ball does. It's got a lot of snap, a

723
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of pop, The ball jumps out of his hand.

724
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I thought his feet were good, not great, and like

725
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: he's still got some polish to do in terms of

726
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: his drop. But overall, I thought he threw the ball

727
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: really well and he he showed the ability. I'm kind

728
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: of married to this new term. I like talking about layering.

729
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: The ball does really well. I love it. I just

730
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: it's just such a good description of it. Because he

731
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: can throw a different trajectory, he can back off, the velocity,

732
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: he can make the variety of throws. It's like when

733
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: you talk about Buck playing horse as a quarterback. You

734
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: have to be able to make all those different types

735
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: of throws, and I think, uh, two guys in this

736
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: draft that do that better than anybody else are Donald

737
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: his ability to change arm angles, layer the ball. The

738
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: same thing with Baker Mayfield, and I thought without Donald

739
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: out there, it really stood out. Mayfield's ability to be

740
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: able to do that. He absolutely can do it. And

741
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: layering the ball, being able to throw with touch, timing, anticipation,

742
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: and different trajectories is something that's really really important in

743
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: our league. Uh you see it. You look at Drew Brees.

744
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: And the reason I bring up Drew Brees because some

745
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: will compare Mayfield to Drew Brees. The best quality did

746
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Drew Brees has outside of his accuracy, is his ability

747
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: to what I call finesse the ball. He can fit

748
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: it into different areas. He can throw the change up,

749
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: he can throw the fastball, if he needs to throw

750
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: the slider, he can do whatever he needs to do

751
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: to get it across the plate. I believe Baker Mayfield

752
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: has some of that ability, and so when you look

753
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: at him in this workout, I mean he keeps checking

754
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: off the boxes. I think the big thing for Baker

755
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Mayfield and teams that are considering Baker Mayfield is to

756
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: look at the supporting cast that you have and can

757
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: you elevate his play. I like Baker Mayfield. I think

758
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is a really good player, and I've come

759
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: up a lot on him after since I first started

760
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: watching him in the summer. I think he is a

761
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: borderline first round tell in terms of my grade. I

762
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: do believe he can be a winning quarterback in this league.

763
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: But I do believe it's essential that you have the

764
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: right pieces around just like any quarterback, but you want

765
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: to have guys that can kind of elevate his game

766
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: by being playmakers, catch and run specialists and all that

767
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: other stuff. He brings a lot of good stuff to

768
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: the table, and I think he walked away from the

769
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: combine continue to see his stock on the rise because

770
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: I think more teams are beginning to fall in love

771
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: with the player and what he could be in the

772
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: right environment. Now I'm with you on that. I do

773
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: want to point out, because we're running a little thick here,

774
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: we have some other stuff we're gonna get to. Let's

775
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: say manca versus Derwin. Let's do that another day. I

776
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: want to jump into that. I thought we had a

777
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: fun little talk there on the first overall pick. But

778
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: I do want to spend some time on manca versus

779
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: Derwin James. By the way, Buck, have you noticed I

780
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: got a new chair And I think, look, you're having

781
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: grown up in the South and you appreciate my what's

782
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: his name? So like a rocket show? What's the first

783
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: games coach for the pitching coach for the Braves? Um? Yes, yes,

784
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: was it Leo Mazzoni? Yes, the rocket and dugout? Yeah,

785
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: anyways throwback. Um, Hey, the big star of the of

786
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: the combine was Chakeem Griffin and what he did and

787
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: it was it was phenomenal. I look, everybody saw that

788
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: he got a chance to see him run that fourth

789
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: three eight forty. Um, it's just a phenomenal story. Selly,

790
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: do you wanna do you want to? Can we run

791
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: some audio from our our conversation with him at the

792
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl just so I don't know if we haven't

793
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: put this out there yet. We got a chance to

794
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: visit with him there, and uh, it's a good insight into, uh,

795
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: into his story, his background, just having a chance to

796
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: visit with him there in Mobile. All right, here was

797
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting players to watch in this

798
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: entire draft class. You want production, We've got you covered

799
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: here because we've got UCF linebacker Skeem Griffin joined us.

800
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm doing good. Thank you for

801
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: having me today. First of all, you and Bucky were

802
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: talking before we we got started here officially, and Bucky

803
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: said he was down there at your bowl game and

804
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: you said you had a good time down there for

805
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: that thing. Uh. Yeah, yeah, I definitely enjoyed it, and

806
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: it was a good process for us and a good

807
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: showcase to show what you see UF can really do.

808
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: You know, talking about that in terms of showcasing, there's

809
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: been a lot of attention. Uh, owned you and right

810
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: for you. So your story, your unique background and coming up.

811
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about your story, UM, how you

812
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: came to be, how you got the Central Florida, what

813
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: challenges you have to overcome, and then talking about how

814
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: that makes you a really really good football player on

815
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the field. I mean for me, um, starting off early,

816
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: started to play football when I was four years old.

817
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Obviously after the UM the surgery, and I remember after

818
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: I showed you, my mom was like, don't play, I

819
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: don't play any gonna play outside with your brothers. And

820
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: I remember the first depth of surgery definitely when I

821
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: saw I started catching the ball with my brothers and

822
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: then came back and the whole bandage just bloody. My mom,

823
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: Like what I just told you, I just wanted to play,

824
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean I would start of something

825
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: great righting in there, because before then I couldn't catch

826
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: a ball, I couldn't do nothing because you know, the

827
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: sharp pain of the tissues I had on my hand.

828
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: And even when sleeping that night, i'd come to sleep

829
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: well because if I roll over, every sharp pains. So

830
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I was I was happy to just to be able

831
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: to do things without much pain. So I was excited

832
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: about that. And I mean obviously throughout the process of me,

833
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, going to each and every level of playing football,

834
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: from little league to high school of college at the

835
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, go over a couple of burials and gates

836
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: and all different types of adversity for me to be

837
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: able to the show kids what I could actually do

838
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: to everybody. I mean, even with Little League, I had

839
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: those who was telling me that, you know, football wasn't

840
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: a fit for me. You know a lot of people

841
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: were saying that you know football is made for two

842
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: handed two handed players. I mean I didn't I didn't

843
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: see that in the rule book at all, obviously. But

844
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I had to go through a lot

845
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: of adversity for me to you know, show what I

846
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: can actually do. And it started a young age. So

847
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I created a tough skin for myself even

848
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: when I was young, and you know, it only got

849
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: tougher as as as I got older, and as I

850
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: went on to the each and every level. And me

851
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: going into a high school with me my brother, you know,

852
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: we created a pack still for us to stay together

853
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: and we stuck to it tho our entire you know,

854
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: years of high school. And the recruiting process was good

855
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: to us. It wasn't It wasn't bad at all. We

856
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: see my first offer from you mask and they kept

857
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: going from there. It was some it was some schools

858
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: that you know, offered me that didn't offer my brother.

859
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: And there's some schools offer my brother and offered me.

860
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: But in the day it was a choice that we

861
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: was gonna We're gonna stick with each other no matter

862
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: you know what school came out us. So you know

863
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: what it took us and going into UCF. I mean

864
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: we committed on the spot. I mean the way old

865
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Larry approached us, the way they kempus was the environment

866
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: of everything we close to Disney, Um, this being there

867
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: was was amazing coaching. What sold it was? You know,

868
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: he was the first coach to say, you know what,

869
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: I can't take one without the other. You You got

870
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: me so right there? You want you know you want,

871
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: you wanted my book and you know that That's what

872
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for. Was the coach that acknowledge that

873
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: we're not we're not going anywhere without one another. And

874
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: once you adjusted that, like he said, if you didn't

875
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: want to come and my brother want to come, I

876
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: can't take you. So once you acknowledge that, you know what,

877
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm taking these guys together, that what kind of so

878
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: doesn't everything else the self from the school was amazing already,

879
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: But for him to say that, what kind of kind

880
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: of seal the deal for us? Your brother one of

881
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: my favorite players to watch in the draft last year,

882
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: Shot Griffin, who went to the third round right to

883
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks and had a great year on the

884
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: field for them. Really from jumping your conversations with him, obviously,

885
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: you guys are close twins. Who was born first, By

886
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: the way, my brother, how many minutes, sixty seconds, seconds,

887
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: don't say a minute? What is he told you about

888
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: what to expect on this jump for the next level?

889
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: I mean, really, just to trust in what you're doing,

890
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, trusting what you know the training, the training

891
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: is gonna give you. Obviously, he told me, you can't

892
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: control what everybody think of you. You can't control you know,

893
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: what's gonna be expected. The only thing you can do

894
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: is just play your role and do it to the

895
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: best of your abilities. If it's if it's going to

896
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, if it's you know, training and getting

897
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: ready for the combine and running the best I can say,

898
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: control what you can control. And he said, don't worry

899
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: about anything else. He said, it's gonna play out in

900
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: your favor. You just gotta keep working. A lot of

901
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: guys get beside themselves and like they're so worried about

902
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: what everybody else, thinking what needs to be done, instead

903
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: of doing what what's in front of you. And you know,

904
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: I took that and consideration, like, you know what, let

905
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: me just focus on what's in front of me right

906
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: now and what's gonna be ahead, and that's me training

907
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: at one point and not me being here and getting

908
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: ready for the for this weekend. And that's important. You know,

909
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: I can't look too far ahead because I gotta focus

910
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: on what's in front of me. You know, at the moment,

911
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, I look at you played. One thing that

912
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: stands out to me is your motor. You play hard.

913
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to find players the player as hard as

914
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: your in terms of relentlessness and hustle, effort and desire.

915
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: When scouts walk away this week, what do you want

916
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: them to say about screen Griffin is I mean, I

917
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: want everybody understand that, you know, once they leave him here,

918
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: she came. She can't get left it all on the table.

919
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: He didn't take anything for granted because obviously it's been

920
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: a time where at the game taking away from me.

921
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: When I first got to college, I wasn't playing at first.

922
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of guys that you can

923
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: you can look at me like me. A lot of

924
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: a lot of college athletes will not sit for three

925
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: years and not play football like you. No, maybe I

926
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: need to be at a different school, or maybe it's

927
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: not fit for me, But I thought to the the adversity.

928
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I remember, I've been sitting home, had to work two jobs,

929
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: and you know, having the game taken away from me

930
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: for one moment, wasn't in school and being able to

931
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be back, and you know, working

932
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: my way up, playing special teams and you know, just

933
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: trying to just trying to find a role, and then

934
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: having coach Fross gave me the opportunity to actually play

935
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: when he came. I mean, that's it created a passion

936
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: being home and understanding like this is life, But what

937
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: will I do if I had the opportunity of what

938
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: will I do when I get it? And you know,

939
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: coming back and being having a chance to actually play

940
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: and you know, put my best foot forward and not

941
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: look back. You know, I made sure I took advantage

942
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, and that's why I was so

943
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: much passion, And that's why I put my emotions out there,

944
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: because I've been to the point where I remember I

945
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: started when I was young, and you know, it's so

946
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: excited to be on the field and I used to

947
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: sleep in my uniform the day before the game, to

948
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: the point where the game is taken away from me

949
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: and now you feel me. Some guys taking for granted,

950
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: but I was just happy to be on the field.

951
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: And that's why I played with everything I got and

952
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leaving all on the table. When I'm done

953
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: with a game. It's time for me going to sleep

954
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: because I can't do nothing else. I love it, man, this,

955
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: this passion just drips out of this dude. I look

956
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: forward to visit with you again as we get closer

957
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: to the draft. Man, it's a it's a pleasure to

958
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: meet you. It's it definitely been a pleasure to watch you.

959
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me again.

960
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: What a what a neat kid. And we talked about

961
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: it a bunch. This is not some charity case and

962
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: this is a this is a great football player when

963
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: you study him, and obviously he stamped, uh, he stamped

964
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: his evaluation by what he did in that workout running

965
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: the forty. He even mentioned he was a little bit

966
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: cramped up, and we talked to him after the combine

967
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: a little bit cramped up. So I don't think it's

968
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: field workout was quite where he wanted it to be.

969
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: But fourth three eight is fourth three eight, man, I

970
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: mean very explode to workout surprising, But then should we

971
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: be surprised because he's a twin. Like twins typically performed

972
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: very similar His brother performed at a similar level during

973
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: his workout of the Command a season ago. The thing

974
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: with sakim Uh he checks off the bosses in terms

975
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: of an explosive athlete. The characters outstanding. You like the heart,

976
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: the motor, to toughness. The biggest issue when it comes

977
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: to his draft status is where does he play. He

978
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: is not a guy that when I watched him in

979
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: his workout, I don't think he's athletic enough to play

980
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: defensive back. He's not big enough to be a consistent

981
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I believe Griffin's best position is going to

982
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: be as a special teams demon and as a guy

983
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: that can be a situational playmaker about a hybrid defense.

984
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I think you have to have a team that has

985
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: the versatility to create a role for him to be

986
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: able to come and get production. There's absolutely a place

987
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: in his league, but I think that the challenge is

988
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: finding the right spot for him to be successful. I

989
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: believe right now he falls in that fourth through seven

990
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: category in terms of round value because he's a special

991
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: teams play in a developmental prospect. Where you value him

992
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: may depend on what the defensive coordinator and the special

993
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: teams coordinator can come up with in terms of having

994
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: a plan to get him on the field. Yeah, I mean,

995
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to be a will linebacker.

996
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: I think I would put him right now. I think

997
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: there's a chance he goes in the third round. I

998
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: really do. I think because of his ability to blitz um,

999
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: he can cover underneath with running backs and tight ends.

1000
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: And really he does a good job of getting off blocks.

1001
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: He's got so much shock uh in that in that

1002
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: one arm as well as you know, one of the

1003
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: things he's not afraid to throw his head in there too.

1004
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: He uses actually use his head to kind of separate

1005
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: and get off blocks, which is kind of a throwback. Oh,

1006
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: he is a throwback player. He plays hard. I love

1007
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: the energy, I love the fightstness. I love how he

1008
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: plays on the field. The challenges. Can someone twenties something

1009
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: pounds much against tackles with long arms that can kind

1010
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: of keep him at bay? What is his counter move?

1011
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: Does he have enough extraordinary blue traits to win consistently

1012
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: with the challenges that he may have entering the League. Yeah, No,

1013
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be fun to follow him as we

1014
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: go throughout the process. Easy guy to root for, that's

1015
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: for sure, and not not a no, it's not just

1016
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: a cute story. He is a good, productive football player,

1017
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: so it'll be fun to follow him as we go forward.

1018
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Mock draft two point Oh, hit the hit the press

1019
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: buckets out there. Oh it's already out I haven't had

1020
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: a chance to see it. What do we have? What

1021
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: surprised that do we have in there? It's out there,

1022
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: so we've got uh change. I think I actually have

1023
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: the same exact top four that I had previously. I

1024
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: tried think in a different order, you know, and maybe

1025
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I put Barkley at one. Do I mess with that?

1026
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: And Nah, I still think they ultimately end up going

1027
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: with Sam Donald. So I had Donald one to Cleveland,

1028
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: say Kuan two to the Giants, which I'm beginning to

1029
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: think more and more they can't pass him up there. Um,

1030
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, just that's kind of the thinking. If they

1031
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: think they have three or four more years with Eli,

1032
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: which I don't know if you or I uh would

1033
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: do that, I think we both will be looking for

1034
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: that guy in the future. Um. With this particular team.

1035
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: But anyways, that's interesting debate there. I think sae Quan

1036
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: ultimately ends up being the pick Bradley che Ub. Um. Look,

1037
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good field workout. By the way,

1038
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: three cone for Bradley Chubb was not digging that. H

1039
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: you see a little bit more impressive number they're that

1040
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: three cone is is this is a number and analytic number.

1041
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: I should say that the teams are paying more and

1042
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: more attention to with age rushers. What's what's the magic number?

1043
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: One that so seven you want to be seven or below.

1044
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I think Khalil Mack ended up being like seven point

1045
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: oh eight, which is a little bit over the line,

1046
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: but almost everybody else has been under seven, all the

1047
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: elite guys over the last five ten years. Um, that's

1048
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: been kind of like the magic number. And I think

1049
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: he was like like seven three three seven three. I

1050
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: don't know if silly can look up his uh what

1051
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: his three cone was, but what it wasn't a spectacular

1052
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: In fact, I think one of the b J. Hill,

1053
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from from NC State, Yeah he was.

1054
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: He was three eleven pounds and he had he had

1055
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: a better three cone time. So anyways, but I still

1056
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: think he's the best edge rusher. So I Chubb going

1057
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: three Minca four, which we talked about, um Allen five

1058
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: to the Bronchos seven. By the way, okay, Chub seven, three,

1059
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: seven and three counts. That's not not great. Josh Allen

1060
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: I did have going to the Broncos assuming they do

1061
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: not get Kirk Cousins. And uh in this one, because

1062
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: these mock draft buck you're before free agency, you gotta

1063
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of guess where the quarterback is gonna go, and

1064
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: this one to make it different, I just said, Okay,

1065
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's put Kirk Cousins to the Cardinals, who

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Speaker 1: were kind of in the mix. So that would take

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals out, which would then put Josh Allen to

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Speaker 1: the Broncos at five, and then Josh Rosen back to

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Speaker 1: the Jets here at number six. Interesting and looking at

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Speaker 1: the rest of the the top two Rose and six

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Speaker 1: Derwin James at seven. How about that one man way

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Speaker 1: to rise up? Denze awarded eight, Quenton Nelson in nine

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Speaker 1: and another surprise Jarry Alexander. And he was phenomenal at

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Speaker 1: the combine. Man, he was absolutely phenomenal. You talked about

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Speaker 1: a guy that was flying up the charts. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: only question that would have I guess Derwin James doesn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me. I think that Jerwyn Derwin James, Menk and

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick debate will continue to grow. UH look forward to

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Speaker 1: having that because I think there would be some people

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Speaker 1: that look at both of these guys and try and

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Speaker 1: figure out which one do we want to go with?

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Speaker 1: And and I don't think it's as consensus as it

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Speaker 1: once was between men could being the best overall defensive

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Speaker 1: back in the class, and then the Quint Nelson deal

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Speaker 1: for so many people saying he's the top three? Where

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Speaker 1: does he go? Though? I go through this exercise, I

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Speaker 1: look like I just don't know where who's gonna take

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Speaker 1: him up there? Right? And that and that has always

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Speaker 1: been the biggest kind of debate with Quinn Nelson. The

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Speaker 1: Giants can't take him at two. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: if Sae Kwan goes but then you're sitting at to

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Speaker 1: prime low I mean prime real estate to a take

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Speaker 1: a quarterback or to trade out for a quarterback needy

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Speaker 1: team to get more picks. I just don't think he

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Speaker 1: goes there. And then you look at the rest of

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Speaker 1: the teams. I mean, de Broncos. De Broncos have a

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Speaker 1: needed quarterback, do they take a guard it five? I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. So, Yeah, number nine with San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: and anybody who's been in the building who maybe a

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Speaker 1: bit nostalgic knows the forty nine were really good when

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Speaker 1: the defense was good and then offensive line could absolutely

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Speaker 1: dominate you. Yep, no question. And then you put that

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Speaker 1: kind of money in Jimmy Garoppolo better take care of him.

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Speaker 1: That's why I had that one go on the other quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I just think I don't know who it's going to

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Speaker 1: be because everybody has these guys in a different order.

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Speaker 1: At this point in time. There's only so much information

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Speaker 1: you're getting, um. But I do think it makes sense

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00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: to Baltimore Ravens trying to find that quarterback of the future,

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Speaker 1: especially Ozzi's last year's the GM. I could see him

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00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: trying to say, Hey, I want to lay the groundwork

1112
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: here for the for Eric to Costa to take over

1113
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: and get the quarterback in place, you know, to to

1114
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Speaker 1: take over for Joe Flacco, whether how soon that may be.

1115
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Speaker 1: But I had Mayfield dropping to the Ravens at six

1116
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: team because like I said, Arizona in this scenario, have

1117
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: them getting Kirk Cousins, so they take Connor Williams offensive lineman.

1118
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Speaker 1: So I just think there's a chance because of the

1119
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Speaker 1: number of free agent quarterbacks we have, even though some

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Speaker 1: teams will double up with a free agent as well

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Speaker 1: as a draft pick. I think one of these guys

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Speaker 1: who is gonna end up sliding a little bit buck Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think someone is gonna fall out.

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Speaker 1: Um it im interesting because Baker Mayfield is sixteen. Actually

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield potentially as it fit with the l A

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Speaker 1: Chargers at seventeen down the line. When we look at

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00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: these mock drafts and we make ten different versions, Um,

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Speaker 1: I like some of the other stuff. Lamar Jackson to

1129
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Speaker 1: Buffalo is really interesting to me. Um, that's pretty crazy.

1130
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Speaker 1: Can That's the other thing too, when you have to

1131
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Speaker 1: you have two picks one and twenty two they have

1132
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Speaker 1: they if they have the ammal, like I said, if

1133
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Speaker 1: they set it in this little blurb here, if they

1134
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Speaker 1: fall in love with one of the other four, they

1135
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Speaker 1: can go up and probably get one of them if

1136
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Speaker 1: one of them were to drop. But if they sit

1137
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Speaker 1: right where they are, I think you're in a good opportunity.

1138
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: It's not. Look, I don't want to make it sound

1139
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Speaker 1: like you're just taking a flyer on a guy like

1140
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, but you've already got another guy you can

1141
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: get Rashaun Evans in this case, plug and play linebacker

1142
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: rock solid. And then I think, Okay, is there a

1143
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: little bit of a risk here with Mr Jackson? Sure,

1144
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: but what's it. I mean, at the end of the day,

1145
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: you take him at twenty two, or you take him

1146
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Speaker 1: at the top of the second round. I mean, it's

1147
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: all just take him if you like it's taking. If

1148
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Speaker 1: your team that likes him, you probably want to take

1149
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: him in the first round so you can get the

1150
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Speaker 1: extra year that option year on them if you feel

1151
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: that the question, no question. And then uh, Laton vander

1152
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: ash I had going to the Steelers, but I thought

1153
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting fit, just based off of with

1154
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Speaker 1: with Ryan Schaseier situation. So anyways, if you want to

1155
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Speaker 1: see the rest of it, you can check it out.

1156
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Speaker 1: Just go to NFL dot com slash mock draft. You

1157
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: can see all of our mock drafts. One of the

1158
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: second one I've had to do, thankfully, but I'm sure

1159
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Speaker 1: there'll be plenty more coming. I gotta update my top

1160
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Speaker 1: fifty here pretty quick. Maybe we get to that on Thursday.

1161
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Speaker 1: What else? What do you got right in this week?

1162
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Speaker 1: But were you working on? Man? I'm just working on

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Speaker 1: a notebook. And in the notebook I'm tackling should take

1164
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Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley be the number one? Uh? There you go?

1165
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Speaker 1: You got some ammo. Now you've been studying. That's not fair, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean just a little bit. I mean that's how

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Speaker 1: I came up with three ps. I was on the

1168
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Speaker 1: plane just study and trying to figure out figure out

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Speaker 1: how I can justify taking a running back number one

1170
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Speaker 1: when you and so many other guys will be like, no,

1171
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: you can't take the running back high. But come on,

1172
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Speaker 1: let's see. Come on, at some point, at some point,

1173
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: running back has to go number one again, right? But yeah,

1174
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Speaker 1: you're right, Hey, Sully, are we allowed to tease, like

1175
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Speaker 1: when people can expect some of these three sixties to drop?

1176
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Which are are our focused episodes on one particular player.

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Speaker 1: We've got a handful of those in the in the

1178
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Speaker 1: pipeline right now? Do we have an idea? Yeah? Here

1179
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Speaker 1: in the next few weeks, you know, we're still trying

1180
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Speaker 1: to line up a few interviews and uh really dive

1181
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: dive into those prospects. But yeah, here in the next

1182
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Speaker 1: few weeks, so we'll start rolling those out. Okay, that's cool,

1183
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Speaker 1: that'll be fun. Those are fun projects to work on.

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Speaker 1: Um I do. It's fun when we go to these

1185
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Speaker 1: league events, though, Buck, because they're always blown away by

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Speaker 1: the number of personnel guys. Coaches, UH come up to

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Speaker 1: us and tell us they enjoy listening to the show

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Speaker 1: and they watched the show. I think we're the unofficial

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Speaker 1: podcast on record for the for the personnel departments in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I liked it. I have got a lot

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Speaker 1: of feedback from people saying, like, man, the podcast world

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Speaker 1: that we are climbing up the charts each and every

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Speaker 1: week here as we get closer to the draft. It's

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Speaker 1: our time, it's our season. Um. So we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of good stuff coming your way. Buck anything else

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