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Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation. In series M one eleven.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. Tommy Garray,

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Speaker 1: The fire department is called, but everything is lost. Gray

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Speaker 1: No one is injured, but the family is now homeless.

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Speaker 1: The property damage is value you did more than fifty

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Speaker 1: They escaped with their lives. They managed not to get

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace and this is Crime Stories. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us, with me an all star panel. But

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Speaker 1: first I want to go to Dave mac Crime on

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Speaker 1: one dot com investigative reporter. Tell me about the fire itself.

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Speaker 1: Dave mac all right, the fire itself began round one

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Speaker 1: forty five in the morning, Nancy, And it started on

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Speaker 1: Dave mcbet right. There, I'm getting a lot of information

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Speaker 1: the size of your dog? That's determination, obstacles and goals.

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Speaker 1: It goes on and on, Nicole brought Facer being with us,

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Speaker 1: How can authorities immediately tell that this was not an accident,

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Speaker 1: How can they tell there's an arson? Yes man, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Nancy. So there are several ways to

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Speaker 1: natural occurrence. A lot of things point to accelerant. Accelerant

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Speaker 1: That's try the arson investigators. The costs have to get

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate, and

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Speaker 1: Just Scott have handled a lot of arsons, and that's

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Speaker 1: a very very tricky kind of case to prove, because

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Speaker 1: for years to come, and we're even playing on getting

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Speaker 1: in Hondris in two thousand and two. Andre Risen, a

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Speaker 1: high profile football player, played with the Colts, the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: the Browns, the Jaguars, the Packers. She started a fire

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Speaker 1: out of anger that ended up burning down one point

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Speaker 1: three million dollar mansion. Okay, she's not the only one

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Speaker 1: to take a Listen to our friends at Inside Edition.

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Speaker 1: She looks like she's relaxing in a lawn chair with

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Speaker 1: a good book, but authorities say she actually just torched

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Speaker 1: her own home then sat in the chair to watch

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Speaker 1: it go up in flames. The shocking video starts with

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Speaker 1: the woman having an argument on her front porch. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, he just then another argument with another resident.

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Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the house they all limon is

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Speaker 1: on fire, and there's the accused arsonist relaxing in the

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Speaker 1: lawn chair. She's sitting there, just chilling, watching the house

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Speaker 1: go up fleaves, which goes back to the odd characteristic

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Speaker 1: of certain arsenists sit back and watch their handiwork. And

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Speaker 1: there's more on. Gale met Wallace and the fire quickly

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Speaker 1: consumes the house in Elkton, Maryland. Get out of the house,

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Speaker 1: it's on fire. A bystander runs to help a residence

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Speaker 1: as she climbs out a window. Harry fire crews rushed

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Speaker 1: to the scene. Avery Hammond shot the video. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe that she was just sitting there like it wasn't happening.

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Speaker 1: She casually went out there, sat in a chair, stated

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Speaker 1: a few obscenities, and watched the fire spread throughout the house.

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Speaker 1: And now take a listen to this idiot from our

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Speaker 1: friends at WBTD. A woman facing charges after Jeopardy says

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Speaker 1: she set fire to a home. It also was reportedly

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Speaker 1: not the home she meant to set on fire. The

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Speaker 1: Rowan County Sheriff's Office believes she may have been trying

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Speaker 1: to get at her ex boyfriend. One problem though, Christy Jones'

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Speaker 1: boyfriend do not live at the house that caught fire.

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Speaker 1: Someone else does and now they have to fix twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in damage. Deputy say the homeowner went to

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Speaker 1: grab a garden hose and notice pieces of wood on

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Speaker 1: fire around a propane tank. Get this. Deputy say the

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Speaker 1: water hose did not work because Jones tried to seal it.

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Speaker 1: Jones's charged with arson and assault. Deputy say war charges

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Speaker 1: are possible. She's behind bars on a one hundred and

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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars bond. She even thought to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the water hose and ended up burning down the

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Speaker 1: wrong house when she's trying to burn down the home

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Speaker 1: of her boyfriend. Well, here is a woman brought to

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Speaker 1: us from wdiv who couldn't get at the house, so

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Speaker 1: she burned up the next best thing belonging to her

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Speaker 1: imaginary boyfriend. Listen, an enterprising neighbor was up at eight

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning and caught it all on camera. The woman

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Speaker 1: busts out a window in the jeep, pours gasoline inside,

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Speaker 1: and then throws a match. The force of the explosion

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Speaker 1: she's cause throws her backward, but she crawls back to

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Speaker 1: pick up the gas canon takes off as the jeep

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Speaker 1: begins to go up in flames. The flames melted two cars.

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Speaker 1: That jeep was all of three months old. The owner

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Speaker 1: of it, Avery Stevenson, did tell us that while he

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Speaker 1: knows twenty six year old Sydney Perham, who has been

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Speaker 1: arrested for this, she was not his girlfriend. Well apparently

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Speaker 1: she thought she was or wanted to be. Crime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In the current case, we have a man,

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Speaker 1: a young dad left with his two year old little

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Speaker 1: girl and no home. Another layer of psychosis is that

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Speaker 1: she actually Nicole brought joining me. Forensic far medic arson

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Speaker 1: expert sends him a video that morning around two am

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Speaker 1: of his home going up in flames. How does that

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Speaker 1: factor in to your analysis of the mind of an arsonists? Again,

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Speaker 1: we're going back to that mental state of mind. She

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Speaker 1: was looking for a finality. She was looking for a

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Speaker 1: way to how can I hurt him be most She

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Speaker 1: knew how much the house meant to him. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure they had multiple conversations about it, and for a

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Speaker 1: lot of arsonists. One of the other guest tunnelists also mentioned,

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Speaker 1: it's about that power. It's about being able to finalize

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Speaker 1: somebody's mental state. You know, it's it's the most incredible

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Speaker 1: teardown emotionally for any person. So she found that and

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Speaker 1: she and oh that is Oh, this is just the

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Speaker 1: saddest story. Hell half no furial like a woman's school?

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Speaker 1: Is that adage true? Guys? I know you recall the

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Speaker 1: case that Joe Scott Morgan and I covered together. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our fris at Fox fifty nine. The

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Speaker 1: family of the man killed in this parking lot outside

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Speaker 1: Tilly's Pub. Believes the death was the result of a

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Speaker 1: fatal obsession. The prosecutor hopes the murder charge in this case,

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Speaker 1: as well as a second similar murder charge filed this week,

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Speaker 1: sends some important messages to everyone, crying food out to

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Speaker 1: his car in this parking lot along eighty second Street.

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Speaker 1: Last week, twenty six year old Andrea Smith found himself

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Speaker 1: ambushed and run over three times. Police believe the driver

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Speaker 1: that night was a woman who tracks Smith to Tilly's Pub.

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Speaker 1: We are devastated, man, heartbroke. I really don't think nothing

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Speaker 1: can justify my cousin being gone. Smith's family told me

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Speaker 1: that while the suspect, Galen Morris, believes Smith was cheating

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Speaker 1: on her with another woman, Smith was not dating the

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Speaker 1: suspect at the time, but they believe she had become

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Speaker 1: obsessed with his personal life this abid David claims Morris

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Speaker 1: admitted she put a tracker in the backseat of Smith's

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Speaker 1: car and followed them to the pub via GPS air tags.

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Speaker 1: Pure out obsession that leads to murder. Jess got Morgan

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Speaker 1: joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, you

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Speaker 1: covered that case along with me and investigated the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed that these women scorned us particularly gruesome

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Speaker 1: methods to kill their victim. This guy Smith was run

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Speaker 1: over over and over and over. Remember when we talked

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Speaker 1: to his mother, Oh yeah, yeah, sure, dude, that's you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think at the time I used the term

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Speaker 1: uber violence, where it is to the extreme, just like

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Speaker 1: burning down a structure. You know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I kind of reflected back on, you know, we

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Speaker 1: had mentioned lous things within the structure. I began to

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Speaker 1: think about, you know, the first time, you know, in

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Speaker 1: my home that I ever looked over peeked over the

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Speaker 1: side of a crib and looked down at my babies

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Speaker 1: in that crib. That's a space that I can never

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Speaker 1: get back. In this case where this where Andre was

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Speaker 1: run over multiple multiple times, it's not just the fact

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Speaker 1: that she's trying to kill him. It's a fact that

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Speaker 1: she's trying to eradicate him any any semblance of him.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, if it even

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Speaker 1: goes to the extreme that if his family wanted to

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Speaker 1: have a viewing of him, and that couldn't be achieved,

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Speaker 1: you know, from the funeral, so you know, you get

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Speaker 1: an idea of how vicious these attacks are. Nancy. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we can't talk about women's scorn without mentioning. Jacqueline Adis

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend's KPHO. I felt like I met

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Speaker 1: my souling and everything was just the way it was,

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Speaker 1: and I thought we would just do what everybody else

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Speaker 1: did and we would just like get married and everything

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Speaker 1: would be fine. But that's not what happened. Jacqueline Addis

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Speaker 1: claims she went on three dates with a Paradise Valley

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00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: man she met through an online dating service for millionaire matchmaking.

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Speaker 1: Court records say Addis sent the victim sixty five thousand

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Speaker 1: text messages, including threats to kill him, where his body

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Speaker 1: parts and bathe in his blood to see more. Addis

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Speaker 1: does not deny the volume of text messages, but she

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Speaker 1: would not get into specifics. She did, however, regret the

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Speaker 1: nature of some of those messages. When you're finding love,

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Speaker 1: not everything is perfect. This was a journey, and I

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00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: want to apologize because nobody would ever be more sorry.

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Speaker 1: Addis said she never intended to hurt or scare the victim,

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Speaker 1: and she doesn't blame him for her incarceration. No I

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Speaker 1: love him. She still loves him from behind bars. Did

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Speaker 1: you hear that she says, when you're finding love, not

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Speaker 1: everything is perfect. Well that's a surefire way to get

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Speaker 1: a man to threaten to kill him where his body

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Speaker 1: parts and bathe in his blood. Okay, can we have

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Speaker 1: this discussion without saying the two words Shana Hubers. Listen

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Speaker 1: to this nine one one call kill nine one one, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: I haven't I killed my boyfriend and self. The further

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Speaker 1: they where are you up? I'm at well the meadow Lane.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't ye fim fucking if apartment we ran it?

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Speaker 1: Meadow anything else, meadow view or something called medow Lane. Okay, No,

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Speaker 1: she didn't. She didn't kill him in self defense. She

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Speaker 1: killed him because he was having a date that night,

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Speaker 1: literally with miss Ohio Ryan posting was an up and

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Speaker 1: coming success story, just got out of law school. Who's

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Speaker 1: the apple of a family's eye. She went on to

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Speaker 1: state that she gave him the quote nos job he

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Speaker 1: always wanted. She shot him in the face. Yeah, woman

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Speaker 1: scorn and I don't want to miss on Nijinsky Dix

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Murcutt thirty six A Nijinsky Dix

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Speaker 1: is a thirty seven year old PhD student at the

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Speaker 1: University of Illinois, Chicago. She's been pursuing a doctorate in criminology,

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Speaker 1: law and justice while also working as an employee at

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Speaker 1: the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana, where

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Speaker 1: she's the director of a talent search program called Trio.

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Speaker 1: She's also dating a man named Terry Hickman. They didn't

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Speaker 1: date for long. According to Hickman's family, they dated for

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Speaker 1: about three months, but the forty four year old Terry

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Speaker 1: broke up with her in May. So what exactly is

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Speaker 1: obsession that leads to burn down someone's home. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I could go on and on. We've got Jody Arias

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Speaker 1: that stab Travis Allen Standard thirty times shot him in

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Speaker 1: the head because he was taking another woman on vacation

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Speaker 1: after Arius and he had broken up. But the obsession

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Speaker 1: leading to outright murderer. What is that, doctor, Jory well Man,

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Speaker 1: That's a psychosis, you could call it. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: definitely a mental deficiency in logic. It's focusing on like

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Speaker 1: an object, like this person, like she said, you know,

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Speaker 1: love isn't perfect. It's that misinterpretation and it usually ends

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Speaker 1: in some form of violence. Well it sure did this time.

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot com. Where does the case

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Speaker 1: stand against SNYDA so too. He has been charged Nancy

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Speaker 1: with oursen obviously and burglary and attempted murder. Guys, there's

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Speaker 1: a gofund me online to try to help this young

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Speaker 1: father and his two year old baby. His name Tommy

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Speaker 1: Garay g A r A Y. We wait as just

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Speaker 1: as un falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye

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Speaker 1: friend