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Speaker 2: I quit smoking black and Wilds, so I don't have
Speaker 2: a celebratory one on me, so I can go up
Speaker 2: the street to the corner store to get one to
Speaker 2: keep the tradition going. And I gotta tell you, guys,
Speaker 2: that felt good. All right, Welcome in What's Driving the Great?
Speaker 2: Episode two ten. I'm not sure if you guys could
Speaker 2: hear that Instagram live. I hope you could. If you couldn't,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You know what it was about. Every day
Speaker 2: damn near annual tradition. The bills lose an excruciating fashion
Speaker 2: to the chiefs. I walk around the block smoking a
Speaker 2: black and mild on Instagram Live. Demanse was there for
Speaker 2: the one two years ago on our back deck after
Speaker 2: the thirteen seconds game. Last year, we weren't able to
Speaker 2: do it because the Bills couldn't find a way to
Speaker 2: get to the round to play the Chiefs because they
Speaker 2: lost in more embarrassing fashion at home to the Bengals
Speaker 2: the previous round. Oh my goodness, I got it's funny.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did get that one. We got the
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence twenty seven point comeback. Oh those were simpler times.
Speaker 2: So I have a funny anecdote to share with you
Speaker 2: guys before we get the show going. So I have
Speaker 2: been getting emails from a guy named Freddie Deboor for
Speaker 2: the last year and they have been varying levels of
Speaker 2: legitimate or unhinged, depending on it. The first email that
Speaker 2: I got was long, multiple paragraphs, and the headline is
Speaker 2: you should be the adult in the room when it
Speaker 2: comes to the Bills. I'm like, okay, you know I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't really respond to a lot of emails. I
Speaker 2: then got one a year later that said, this is
Speaker 2: beneath you, sir. I then got one moments after the
Speaker 2: Chiefs game ended that said just grow up, dude. That
Speaker 2: I hadn't even said anything yet. I hadn't gone on
Speaker 2: Instagram Live, I hadn't done the TV show that said
Speaker 2: just grow up, dude. This is embarrassing. You're a grown man.
Speaker 2: Your football team's ever struggled in your entire life, which
Speaker 2: shows mister de Boor's lack of, you know, historical knowledge
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs being one of the most tortured franchises
Speaker 2: of you know, the last thirty years. Pri Ma Homes.
Speaker 2: Lost a playoff game when they didn't punt, lost a
Speaker 2: playoff game when they scored two touchdowns of their opponents scored zero,
Speaker 2: lost a playoff game when they were up twenty eight points,
Speaker 2: lost a playoff game to Marcus Mariota when they were
Speaker 2: up twenty one to three when the game winning play
Speaker 2: was he threw a touchdown pass to his gosh star
Speaker 2: and self lost a player three times, were thirteen and three,
Speaker 2: and lost their very first playoff game at home, including
Speaker 2: a game with three miss kicks, So I'll set that aside. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that wasn't even torturous because at least you knew
Speaker 2: what was going to happen.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: But what I found so interesting about these emails and
Speaker 2: it's just from like a Gmail, so I didn't know
Speaker 2: if it's real. I was like, Frederick de Boor is
Speaker 2: the name of a famous author, and so I just
Speaker 2: thought this guy was either using a fake name or
Speaker 2: it just a coincidence. And then, thanks to Ethan Strauss,
Speaker 2: I got sent to me yesterday a four thousand word
Speaker 2: of visceration of me as a person of my character
Speaker 2: who I am, written by famous author Frederick de Boer
Speaker 2: on his sub stack. So he's been emailing me the
Speaker 2: whole time. It's actually him, and he just annihilated me.
Speaker 2: I mean it's too long to go through the entirety
Speaker 2: of but oh my goodness, gracious his smel not happy
Speaker 2: with Frederick de Boor, Yeah, I mean he's a famous author.
Speaker 2: He's a sharp guy, I mean the and I think
Speaker 2: he and I probably have a lot of similar politics.
Speaker 2: I'm not certain, but man, oh man, not a fan
Speaker 2: of your guy, Nick Wright. All right, lot to do today,
Speaker 2: best week in the NFL football? Have you read one
Speaker 2: of his books? To mons? Are you looking at it?
Speaker 2: Are you looking at it?
Speaker 4: I just I just see I typed in Frederick de
Speaker 4: boor and the sub stack link popped up. It's gotta
Speaker 4: it's gotta picture you attached. I gotta go through his
Speaker 4: bookstater because I've definitely seen him on the coming.
Speaker 2: And the shameless clown industry. I mean, I mean, I'm listen.
Speaker 2: It's long, man. This is a long takedown piece that
Speaker 2: includes a link to Nick Right, biggest fraud in sports media.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of stuff here. And also, no,
Speaker 2: he's not He's a Bears fan. It also takes a totally,
Speaker 2: totally unnecessary and unfair shot at brew and Wilde's the
Speaker 2: Wild's line, he says, wild seems content to play the
Speaker 2: role of the Washington generals. Just wait for his next
Speaker 2: tea time. I mean, first of all, Wilds doesn't golf.
Speaker 2: Second of all, he's the key to the show. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is, it is. I gotta say I respected Freddy Deboor.
Speaker 2: I got no problem with it. He called me a
Speaker 2: shameless clown. I wish you had your football facts more straight.
Speaker 2: I wish you better. The idea that the Kansaony chiefs
Speaker 2: my entire life have caused anything but pain us up
Speaker 2: until the last five years is nonsense, of course, But
Speaker 2: that's fine, all right. Uh, speaking of teams that cause
Speaker 2: a lot of pain, We're gonna have to get to
Speaker 2: the Bills in a moment. But first, what missed the
Speaker 2: cut in today's show, Bill's fans throwing snowballs at Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Where's the takedown on them that could have blinded demand?
Speaker 2: Where's that substack article? Freddy? Jason kel joins Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: in a switee and Tyler bast miss is a kick?
Speaker 2: You want to know, Demonse, how I know I'm getting old.
Speaker 2: I watched Jason Kelcey jump out of that suite onto
Speaker 2: that icy concrete, and for just a second, if you
Speaker 2: watch that video, his like his feet almost go out
Speaker 2: from underneath him. And I watch it, I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, that could have been a disaster. Like if
Speaker 2: Jason Kelsey jumps out, the sweetest eyes go behind him,
Speaker 2: he hits his head on the concrete. I then watch him,
Speaker 2: you know, pick up that child, which was awesome to
Speaker 2: show her to Taylor Swift so they could wave by.
Speaker 2: And I'm watching it just thinking, oh my god, don't fall,
Speaker 2: don't fall at your three hundred and thirty pounds self
Speaker 2: laying on this icy concrete and those those Jason Kelsey
Speaker 2: videos are just so many great moments because you see.
Speaker 3: The sherriff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but yeah, say that is a thing. I
Speaker 2: where I noticed that was on inside the NBA the
Speaker 2: other day when they were pranking Chuck about diet coke
Speaker 2: and Shaq grabs a diet coke and it just Dissa
Speaker 2: appears in his hand. U but yeah, Jason Kelsey say
Speaker 2: a similar thing. But watching those videos and then seeing
Speaker 2: the Sheriff's department and Taylor Swift Security, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what we do here. We have this mountain of
Speaker 2: a man who seems to like you know, be not
Speaker 2: seems to has his heart in the right place, but
Speaker 2: this could go so sideways in so many different ways,
Speaker 2: and he is just demonstrated to the entirety of Bill's mafia,
Speaker 2: who has a massive numbers edge. It's pretty damn easy
Speaker 2: to get in and out of this suite. Like maybe
Speaker 2: mentally you thought that was not doable, but you see
Speaker 2: this drunk lunatic do it with these and you might
Speaker 2: be like, we can get up there. The whole thing's amazing.
Speaker 3: Amazing on the guy, which guy was that?
Speaker 2: Oh no, that the owner Dave Tepper, the owner, owner
Speaker 2: of the team that threw his drink at the guy.
Speaker 2: All right, demand let's get to the actual show.
Speaker 4: All right, so we all know what happened this weekend. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the Bills lost, the Chiefs their routine loss, like you said,
Speaker 4: But which outcome is the bigger story here? The Chiefs
Speaker 4: win or the Bills loss? And why do you think?
Speaker 4: Why do you think they lost?
Speaker 3: And what is it? What does it say about the team?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean the bigger story is the Bill's loss.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs made the AFC Championship game. That's not a story.
Speaker 2: That is what happens until further notice. Brew got Brew
Speaker 2: and I got into it a bit yesterday when he
Speaker 2: the question was are people underestimating Mahomes? And I was
Speaker 2: like yeah, and he was like, it's not underestimating him
Speaker 2: to not pick him to win the super Bowl every year.
Speaker 2: No one wins the super Bowl every year. And I
Speaker 2: made I thought the very fair point of But last
Speaker 2: week wasn't the super Bowl. Last week was to get
Speaker 2: to the AFC Title Game. And you know what does
Speaker 2: happen every year? Mahomes plays in that game, literally every year.
Speaker 2: It's never not happened the last playoff game. That last
Speaker 2: year the Chiefs didn't play in the AFC title game,
Speaker 2: Mahomes wasn't the starter. That's the year they blew a
Speaker 2: twenty one to three lead at home de Marcus Marioti
Speaker 2: when he threw a touchdown pass to himself. Mister Debor,
Speaker 2: with my lifetime of great Chiefs memories, I remember that
Speaker 2: quite well. Now. That team had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 2: by the way, all right, we'll get to the Chiefs
Speaker 2: in a moment. The bigger story is the Bill's loss,
Speaker 2: and it is a story for a number of reasons,
Speaker 2: all right. But the biggest reason is the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 2: are so scared of Josh Allen they have made him
Speaker 2: less of a scary opponent. So in that game, Josh
Speaker 2: Allen completed sixteen passes behind the line of scrimmage. Josh
Speaker 2: Allen only completed two passes five yards downfield, and only
Speaker 2: those two passes, only two passes down pass the sticks.
Speaker 2: One of them was one of the best plays you'll
Speaker 2: ever see somebody make the role to his left touchdown
Speaker 2: pass to Khalil Shakir. But what you have seen is
Speaker 2: since the Buffalo Bills switched coordinators from Ken Dorsey to
Speaker 2: Joe Brady. They have operated their offense and their team
Speaker 2: in a way that says, we don't trust our quarterback
Speaker 2: and so we are going to put a governor on him.
Speaker 2: Since Joe Brady took over, Josh Allen has thrown for
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty yards two fifty one time. That
Speaker 2: was the Dolphins game, the final game of the regular season.
Speaker 2: In that game, not coincidentally, he had three turnovers. The
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills do not believe you can get the best
Speaker 2: of Josh Allen without the worst of Josh Allen, and
Speaker 2: so they operated as if they could cobbled together the
Speaker 2: end of their season without utilizing their biggest weapon, which
Speaker 2: is Josh Allen's cannon of an arm. And as someone
Speaker 2: who has gone up against this team year after year,
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you this version that they turned
Speaker 2: him into these last two months is the least scary,
Speaker 2: the version of check down. Don't make a mistake, take
Speaker 2: just or you don't don't throw into any tight windows,
Speaker 2: just take what's there. And the reason I find so
Speaker 2: much of the commentary surrounding this player so maddening is
Speaker 2: everyone is amazed and enamored with what he can do
Speaker 2: without seeming to acknowledge that what he can't do is
Speaker 2: reach those reach back and get those peaks without the terrible,
Speaker 2: terrible valleys. And what makes what distinguishes the very good
Speaker 2: from the great and the great from the legends, is
Speaker 2: those guys' ability to tap into their their absolute best
Speaker 2: while keeping their absolute worst at bay. And the Bills
Speaker 2: turned their offense into the Titans with Ryan with Derrick Henry,
Speaker 2: except Josh Allen was the Derrick Henry and what he
Speaker 2: does as a runner is remarkable, no doubt about it,
Speaker 2: and it's a massive weapon. But what you saw during
Speaker 2: this winning streak is they were trying to win despite
Speaker 2: their best player, not because of their best player, and
Speaker 2: that makes them incredibly beatable. The Chiefs made so many
Speaker 2: huge mistakes, most notably fumbling at the one in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter on first down with a chance to put
Speaker 2: the game away. They won mahomes early in the game
Speaker 2: on the first drive, missed two straight passes they might
Speaker 2: have been only two misses of the night in the
Speaker 2: end zone for touchdowns, had to settle for a field goal.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs gave up a third and seventeen on the
Speaker 2: first drive. More on that play in a moment. We're
Speaker 2: talking more on it right now. Gave up a third
Speaker 2: and seventeen when Josh threw the forward pass lateral and
Speaker 2: then missed the opportunity to challenge the play. There were
Speaker 2: four fumbles in this game. The Bills recovered three of them.
Speaker 2: The only one the Chiefs recovered was Mahomes or Hardman's
Speaker 2: first won. So all of those breaks went for Buffalo,
Speaker 2: and despite all of it, they were still on the
Speaker 2: losing end. And it's not because of a field goal, guys,
Speaker 2: because it was because of the So DEMONSEI let me
Speaker 2: ask you this. If Bass makes that kick, what do
Speaker 2: you think happens in the next minute forty with two timeouts?
Speaker 4: It's a tie game. I've put some sort of pressure
Speaker 4: on Mahomes. I mean, you at least give defense a
Speaker 4: chance I go out there and stop them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Mahomes had scored touchdowns on three of
Speaker 2: his previous five drives, one that he didn't. Hardman fumbled
Speaker 2: at the one the Chiefs had moved the ball at will.
Speaker 2: The idea that if Bass makes that kick, it's anything
Speaker 2: other than a different type of heartbreak for Buffalo is foolish.
Speaker 2: And that's then where so if you were the Bills,
Speaker 2: you have made well, there's a couple. There's one grievous mistake.
Speaker 2: The Bills is a franchise made in the quest to
Speaker 2: take down the Chiefs, and that's the von Miller deal.
Speaker 2: Demon's don't look at this, Okay, So von Miller in
Speaker 2: the AFC title game, I'm sorry. In the divisional round,
Speaker 2: von Miller had two tackles, no sacks. Okay. On the season.
Speaker 2: He played fourteen games this year, coming off the torn
Speaker 2: acl On the season, give me a guess on how
Speaker 2: many tackles and sacks von Miller had. Who is the
Speaker 2: Bill's highest paid player other than Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: On the fourteen gamey tackles.
Speaker 2: Over fourteen games, he had two tackle, zero sacks in
Speaker 2: the divisional round.
Speaker 4: The other thirteen games, I'll give him six seventeen eighteen
Speaker 4: tackles tackles, not seventy sacks.
Speaker 3: I call it one to call it three, okay.
Speaker 2: So von Miller going into the divisional round had three
Speaker 2: tackles and zero sacks on the season. In the divisional round,
Speaker 2: he had his best game of the year. Two tackles,
Speaker 2: and zero sacks. He is next year a cap hit
Speaker 2: of twenty three million dollars and it costs you thirty
Speaker 2: two million dollars to cut him. Now, it's unlucky and
Speaker 2: unfortunate von towards acl on his first year with the team.
Speaker 2: But you signed a mid thirties pass rusher with an
Speaker 2: injury history to a six year, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: million dollar deal. You did a lot of win right
Speaker 2: now moves, and now those Bills are coming due and
Speaker 2: you won nothing. You in back to back years had
Speaker 2: your rival come into your building, be it Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: or Patrick Mahomes in the divisional round, and in back
Speaker 2: to back years they beat you. The Buffalo Bills have
Speaker 2: been on five game or longer winning streaks going into
Speaker 2: playoff games each of the last four years against Mahomes
Speaker 2: in Burrow and are zero to four in those spots.
Speaker 2: And so now you've got a really, really tough offseason.
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna bring McDermott back. I think the smart
Speaker 2: thing for them would be to call up Bill Belichick
Speaker 2: and see if he wants that job. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're gonna do that. And then you have to ask
Speaker 2: yourself what can Josh b to get his best? Is he?
Speaker 2: Is it just the cost of doing business that he's
Speaker 2: gonna lead the league in turnovers? Or is there a
Speaker 2: way to tap into him at his best without getting
Speaker 2: those head scratching, game altering turnovers.
Speaker 4: Because go ahead with that being said, do you think
Speaker 4: that Josh Allen played well?
Speaker 3: Do you think that this loss falls on him? Or
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: I thought he played. I thought he played really well
Speaker 2: given what he was asked to do for the first
Speaker 2: three quarters and then he was absolutely brutal in the fourth.
Speaker 2: It's not deniable, and I'm so surprised folks have been
Speaker 2: afraid to say this. Through three quarters, Josh, they put
Speaker 2: a governor on him. He played within it. He never
Speaker 2: put the ball in jeopardy. He was deadly with his legs.
Speaker 2: There were no wow throws, wow big plays, but he
Speaker 2: was taking what the defense gave him. Because the Chiefs
Speaker 2: went into that game saying, if you're going to stay
Speaker 2: committed to the run the entirety of the game, we're
Speaker 2: gonna give it to you. And the Bills for a
Speaker 2: long time were with Josh and with Cook, and they
Speaker 2: were moving the ball. They had zero plays of twenty
Speaker 2: plus yards, but they were moving the ball, they weren't
Speaker 2: committing devastating penalties, and they were right there. And then
Speaker 2: they got a little nervous and did the fake punt,
Speaker 2: but the Chiefs gave the ball right back to him
Speaker 2: on the fumble. And then in the fourth quarter, after
Speaker 2: completing seventy five percent of his passes, he completed fifty
Speaker 2: percent of his passes. In the fourth quarter, after never
Speaker 2: putting the ball in jeopardy, he had what should have
Speaker 2: been the game losing fumble six and instead the Tamari
Speaker 2: Connor I think was Jamarry Connor tried to scoop it
Speaker 2: and score and he just lost it and Dalton Kincaid
Speaker 2: made the play. And then in the fourth quarter on
Speaker 2: the biggest drive, he couldn't help himself but go for
Speaker 2: the kill shots instead of doing what he had been
Speaker 2: doing the whole game. And that is so let's go
Speaker 2: through that last drive, the last drive of the season.
Speaker 2: What happened. So the Bills are moving the ball down
Speaker 2: the field, they are trying to play this delicate dance
Speaker 2: of they are trailing, but they are also trying to
Speaker 2: bleed clock because the organization is so irreparably scarred by
Speaker 2: the thirteen seconds game. So every time they're taking forty
Speaker 2: off the play clock, forty off the play clock, forty
Speaker 2: off the play clock, and me, as a Chiefs fan,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to get a little nervous because they might
Speaker 2: be able to pick up six eight yards at a time,
Speaker 2: bleed the clock, and then if they score a touchdown
Speaker 2: with thirty seconds remaining, the Chiefs are down four instead
Speaker 2: of three, and you're in a really rough spot. But
Speaker 2: there was a moment that I think changed the football game,
Speaker 2: and it was the first play of that last drive.
Speaker 2: And this is the point that it is very odd
Speaker 2: to me nobody else has picked up on. Josh Is
Speaker 2: playing within himself, has thrown one deep pass the entirety
Speaker 2: of the game, and it was in a spot that
Speaker 2: kind of demanded it. And then the very first play
Speaker 2: of that last drive, he throws one of the best
Speaker 2: deep balls you will ever see to Digs down the sideline.
Speaker 2: And it wouldn't It's not like that's an easy catch.
Speaker 2: Anytime a ball goes sixty five yards in the air
Speaker 2: and there's your you know, covered, that's never an easy catch.
Speaker 2: But it's a damn near perfect pass that Diggs as
Speaker 2: could have caught and he didn't, And in my opinion,
Speaker 2: that play being right there changed how Josh played the
Speaker 2: rest of that drive, because all of a sudden, six
Speaker 2: plays later, you're third and ten, Josh scrambles and instead
Speaker 2: of recognizing we're going forward on fourth no matter what,
Speaker 2: get it to fourth and three and we're fine, he
Speaker 2: tries to do too much again and fumbles the ball
Speaker 2: and that and you get no blame because the Chiefs
Speaker 2: didn't recover it, but he had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: who recovered it. So that's the first big what are
Speaker 2: you doing? Then a few plays later you've got second
Speaker 2: and nine. It is the two minute warning. You were
Speaker 2: at the twenty six as, Yes, a touchdown would be great.
Speaker 2: What you could argue would be even better. There is
Speaker 2: a first down. A first down in that spot is
Speaker 2: certainly not a bad thing. You're the two minute warning.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs have to start burning timeouts, and you have
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs wide open over the middle for an easy
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen yards and that's the play. He takes
Speaker 2: the shot to Khalil Shakir. That credit to Chris Jones.
Speaker 2: That's what the money's for. He pushed Dion Dawkins Dawkin's
Speaker 2: self right into Josh and the pass comes up short.
Speaker 2: Then it's third and nine, and again Josh goes for
Speaker 2: the kill shot instead of doing what he had done
Speaker 2: the whole game. And that's the difference. That those are
Speaker 2: the moments, those are the things that the guys who
Speaker 2: are in the discussion for second best player in the
Speaker 2: league need to be better on. And so was the
Speaker 2: loss on him well as much as whenever you're the
Speaker 2: best player on your team and you don't have a
Speaker 2: great game. To a degree it is. And I've heard
Speaker 2: people in the last two days talk about what a
Speaker 2: great game he played. For three quarters, he was excellent,
Speaker 2: and then the biggest drive of their season, he fumbled
Speaker 2: the ball and missed two big passes. It's just what happened.
Speaker 4: And now you've got he didn't he the receiver missed
Speaker 4: one of those passes for him.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the second and nine and the
Speaker 2: third and nine. No, he didn't miss the past to Diggs. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Yes, I'm not saying he.
Speaker 3: Only missed the bomb. I what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the final two passes of his year,
Speaker 2: second and nine and third nine from the twenty six
Speaker 2: he missed him. You had digs open over the middle,
Speaker 2: you took the kill shot to Shakir and you had
Speaker 2: by the way, even on that third and nine, you
Speaker 2: can say, uh, Bass missing the kick is not on
Speaker 2: the quarterback. It's not but forty four yards in the
Speaker 2: wind outdoors. When the kickers missed too the previous week.
Speaker 2: That's not a chip shot. It's not a GIMMEI it's
Speaker 2: not the the field goal the Chiefs kick to win
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl last year, when they kneel at the
Speaker 2: one and you have the shortest possible field goal in
Speaker 2: perfect conditions. That's not what it was. All Right, what's
Speaker 2: the last Bill's follow up before we get to the Chiefs?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's the What do you think happens with
Speaker 3: Allen and Diggs?
Speaker 4: Do you think there's been a problem with them?
Speaker 3: You know? Do you think he will be on the
Speaker 3: Bills next year? I don't think he don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's one of two things. Either Stefan
Speaker 2: Diggs early in the year just hit a drastically different
Speaker 2: phase of his career and is not the same player,
Speaker 2: or it is that he and Josh Allen something happened
Speaker 2: because Stefan Diggs through the first six weeks of the
Speaker 2: year was averaging one hundred yards per game and a
Speaker 2: touchdown agame games one through six. Stefan Diggs the rest
Speaker 2: of the regular season averaged fifty yards per game and
Speaker 2: had three total touchdowns, and then in the playoffs averaged
Speaker 2: thirty five yards per game and had zero touchdowns. Diggs
Speaker 2: receiving yards since the coordinator change, since they put this
Speaker 2: governor on Josh, here's Diggs's yards and touchdowns twenty four
Speaker 2: and zero forty eight and zero twenty nine and zero
Speaker 2: twenty six and zero eighty seven and zero fifty two
Speaker 2: and zero twenty one and zero. So something's going on there,
Speaker 2: and it's a big cap hit with a big personality,
Speaker 2: and so the Bills just got a det If I
Speaker 2: were the Bills, I would, for good or for bad,
Speaker 2: let Josh be Josh and hope that one of these
Speaker 2: years he gets he's on a hot streak when the
Speaker 2: playoffs start. I would not try to coach working against
Speaker 2: what makes my players special. And that's what they did
Speaker 2: because they felt they couldn't trust him and that that's
Speaker 2: gonna put a ceiling on your team. All right next
Speaker 2: to Monse.
Speaker 4: All Right, so the Chiefs fin the AFC Championship Game
Speaker 4: for the sixth straight year. Could you please do me
Speaker 4: a favor and put this in historical context. I need
Speaker 4: to hear about with this grand scheme.
Speaker 2: I'd love to so, obviously, and then I'll tell you
Speaker 2: about how they how they did it. The So, the
Speaker 2: most consecutive AFC title games ever is eight by the
Speaker 2: twenty eleven to twenty eighteen Pats. This is obviously the
Speaker 2: second most, but take the consecutive portion out of it.
Speaker 2: Now only Joe Oh Montana. I think it's Montana who
Speaker 2: went to seven and Tom Brady went to fourteen have
Speaker 2: been there's one guy with seven. I can't remember if
Speaker 2: it's Manning or Montana. But Mahomes now is tied for
Speaker 2: the third most conference championship game appearances in NFL history.
Speaker 2: He has done it six times in his first six years.
Speaker 2: The other context of these playoff victories, and this is
Speaker 2: what I don't think that folks have fully wrapped their
Speaker 2: mind around, is where Mahomes is historically now. So he
Speaker 2: now has thirteen playoff wins. Okay, Aaron Rodgers eleven, Troy
Speaker 2: Aikman has eleven. Brett Favre tied with Mahomes at thirteen.
Speaker 2: If he he wins on Sunday, he ties Terry Bradshaw,
Speaker 2: who went to won four Super Bowls, John Elway, who
Speaker 2: won two and went to five Super Bowls, and Peyton
Speaker 2: Manning who went to four and won two Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: with fourteen playoff victories. If Mahomes wins Sunday, the all
Speaker 2: time quarterback playoff victory's list will be thirty five for
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, sixteen for Joe Montana, and then Mahomes, Manning,
Speaker 2: Bradshawn Elway with fourteen. He's twenty eight years old. The
Speaker 2: Chiefs just became the first team in NFL history to
Speaker 2: win two or more playoff games in five consecutive seasons.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs, in the entirety of their history before Mahomes
Speaker 2: took over, went to the AFC Title Game three times,
Speaker 2: hosted it zero. Since Mahomes took over, They've been there
Speaker 2: six times, hosted it five. The Chiefs all year long
Speaker 2: were told what was wrong with them, and yet once
Speaker 2: again find themselves in the same place they found themselves
Speaker 2: every year, playing in one of the final three games
Speaker 2: of the year. See if they can play in the
Speaker 2: final game of the year. So how did they do
Speaker 2: it by following their exact I almost cursed gosh darn
Speaker 2: plan that everyone questioned despite the fact that they won
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl last year. The Chiefs made a philosophical
Speaker 2: decision that we have on our roster the single most
Speaker 2: valuable non quarterback in the league in Tyreek Hill. We
Speaker 2: are going to take that one diamond of an asset
Speaker 2: and change how our team is built. We are going
Speaker 2: to use that to free up money and acquire draft
Speaker 2: picks to try to on the fly build a dominant defense.
Speaker 2: And the reason we believe we can do it is
Speaker 2: because we believe that by the playoffs, no matter who
Speaker 2: Patrick is throwing to, he can make it work. And
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes rewarded them by playing the Buffalo by in
Speaker 2: the first playoff game, playing the best below freezing temperature
Speaker 2: game in NFL history, game that the entire discussion was
Speaker 2: man the Dolphin sure looked cold while Patrick was out
Speaker 2: there throwing absolute no pun intended frozen ropes to guys.
Speaker 2: With the development of the rookie receiver who had a
Speaker 2: buck thirty that weekend, who's progress and maturation, they didn't
Speaker 2: thwart by bringing in band aid veteran receivers, and in
Speaker 2: the following week Patrick rewarded them by before the kneel downs,
Speaker 2: the Chiefs were averaging nine yards a play a play,
Speaker 2: the most in any playoff game in the Mahomes era.
Speaker 2: And you know who they opened the second half up
Speaker 2: with on first and ten down. What were they down?
Speaker 1: Four?
Speaker 2: A bomb to Mark wes Valdez Scantling, who they then
Speaker 2: hit again later in the game on a bomb down
Speaker 2: the field. All year long, I have had to hear
Speaker 2: Mahomes should yell at these guys. Mahomes should stop having
Speaker 2: faith in these guys. Mahomes should stop throwing to these guys.
Speaker 2: And all year long they said, you know what, the
Speaker 2: best player the league has ever seen is going to
Speaker 2: keep showing faith in you. You're a champion, NBS. You
Speaker 2: made a huge play in the playoffs us last year.
Speaker 2: We believe that if we don't throw you under the bus.
Speaker 2: And at one point I was done with him, showed
Speaker 2: up Mahomes on the field, go ahead to Mina.
Speaker 4: Are the fans wrong for not believing in the receivers.
Speaker 4: Mahomes has to believe in his receivers. But like people.
Speaker 2: I don't mind your fans, I don't mind the fans
Speaker 2: getting frustrated. It was the rest of my colleagues in
Speaker 2: the media acting as if there wasn't a plan in place,
Speaker 2: and the plan was by the end of the year,
Speaker 2: one of our young receivers will step up. And that's
Speaker 2: where she Rice that Travis Kelcey, despite looking his age
Speaker 2: at various points during the year, a guy who is
Speaker 2: now six catches away from breaking Jerry Rice's unbreakable postseason
Speaker 2: receptions record, Travis kelce who just he and Mahomes broke
Speaker 2: the Brady Gronk unbreakable postseason touchdowns record, that that guy
Speaker 2: is going to be at his best and that Patrick
Speaker 2: will find a way with the others. And it is
Speaker 2: exactly what happened. So that's how they did it. And listen,
Speaker 2: this week they have a hell of a challenge and
Speaker 2: it is it is not a guarantee, but the reason
Speaker 2: that I feel the wrong team is favored this week.
Speaker 3: Is that.
Speaker 2: So it is by the way, it is Joe Montana
Speaker 2: who had the seven conference championship game starts. Uh Steve
Speaker 2: Young is listed, but he didn't start all seven. Neither
Speaker 2: did stallbacks, so he's taught, he's won away from Montana.
Speaker 2: But it's why I, well, i'll explain why I think
Speaker 2: the wrong team's favored. Demonse when you ask this follow.
Speaker 4: Up question, Yeah, so, uh are do you think people
Speaker 4: you have? Do you think people are still under rating Mahomes?
Speaker 2: And uh so that's so No, so that's perfect. So
Speaker 2: here's what I'll tell you Patrick, since he took over
Speaker 2: is let's just say Brady is in a separate category
Speaker 2: of everyone else. I think Mahomes is gonna catch him,
Speaker 2: but let's just put Brady somewhere else. I don't ever
Speaker 2: mention this stat even though it's very very obvious one
Speaker 2: because it, uh it kind of works against the Mahomes
Speaker 2: goat argument. But it's a stunning statistic. Patrick. Mahomes has
Speaker 2: played two playoff games against Tom Brady. He's owing two
Speaker 2: in his other fourteen playoff games against every other quarterback
Speaker 2: who's ever lived. He's thirteen and one, and the one
Speaker 2: was an overtime loss to Joe Burrow that included the
Speaker 2: only bad half of playoff football Patrick's ever played. That one.
Speaker 2: He has to wear that there was one half he
Speaker 2: was not himself and Burrow took advantage thirteen and one
Speaker 2: against quarterbacks not named Brady. Of those thirteen wins, eight
Speaker 2: of them the Chiefs trailed by a touchdown. Since Mahomes
Speaker 2: took over, the Chiefs are eight and two in the
Speaker 2: playoffs when they trail by a touchdown or more the
Speaker 2: rest of the league. That's eighty percent. The rest of
Speaker 2: the league wins seventeen percent of those games. Well, what
Speaker 2: about the rest of quarterback mount Rushmore. Brady played twenty
Speaker 2: one playoff games where his team trailed by a touchdown
Speaker 2: or more ten and eleven. That's forty five percent. Montana
Speaker 2: in playoff games his team trailed by more than a
Speaker 2: touchdown one forty percent. Peyton in playoff games his team
Speaker 2: trailed by a touchdown or more three and nine, twenty
Speaker 2: five percent. Mahomes is eight and two now, and so
Speaker 2: it's not just that he is first all time in
Speaker 2: play off win percentage, playoff yards per game, playoff touchdown
Speaker 2: interception ratio, playoff completion percentage and playoff quarterback rating, and
Speaker 2: playoff yards per attempt, every single quarterbacking category in the
Speaker 2: postseason's first all time. It's that he's thirteen and one
Speaker 2: against everyone but Brady and one of those losses to
Speaker 2: Brady was the old never got to touch the ball
Speaker 2: in overtime loss, where he executed three fourth quarter comebacks.
Speaker 2: Three times they were trailing in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 2: he brought them back, including once getting the ball with
Speaker 2: thirty seconds left. So, yes, people are underestimating him because
Speaker 2: it is not a Brady Manning era. It is Tiger
Speaker 2: versus the field. It is Gretzki versus the rest of
Speaker 2: the NHL. There is one guy, and then the gap
Speaker 2: between whommever is second and whomever is fifth is so
Speaker 2: much closer than the gap between him and whomever is second.
Speaker 2: And so it doesn't mean they're gonna win the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl every year, and you know, once every four years
Speaker 2: or so he might have a bad playoff moment. But
Speaker 2: to circle it back to the Chiefs, what they have
Speaker 2: now created, which is something Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and
Speaker 2: Joe Montana all took massive advantage of, is they can
Speaker 2: now win playoff games if he were to play poorly.
Speaker 2: And that's where before we move on to the other games.
Speaker 2: That's the other part of this that I don't think
Speaker 2: people recognize is and I'm just gonna use Montana Manning
Speaker 2: and Brady as the standard, because I don't think that,
Speaker 2: or I do think that that is now pretty universally
Speaker 2: accepted as the quarterback mount Rushmore Mahomes, Montana, Manning, Brady.
Speaker 2: If you look at how those guys won their Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Joe Montana the year he won his first Super Bowl
Speaker 2: in the Conference championship game through three picks. Joe Montana
Speaker 2: in the year he won his second Super Bowl in
Speaker 2: the first round, threw three picks, his defense allowed ten
Speaker 2: points in the Conference championship game, threw two picks, had
Speaker 2: a sixty passer rating, his defense shut out the Bears.
Speaker 2: And then Joe Montana's last two Super Bowls he was
Speaker 2: basically perfect both playoff runs. But Montana's first two rings.
Speaker 2: He was objectively bad in three of the four games
Speaker 2: leading up to the Super Bowl, and his great defense
Speaker 2: bailed him out, and then he was excellent in the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Tom Brady when he won his first Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: The first game zero touchdown, the first game of the playoffs,
Speaker 2: zero touchdowns, one pick, a seventy rating, second game one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen yards passing, zero touchdowns, zero picks and
Speaker 2: eighty four rating. The Super Bowl one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: five yards, passing, one touchdown, zero picks. His second Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: he was awesome in it. In the two games leading
Speaker 2: up to it, his defense allowed fourteen points both he
Speaker 2: had a seventy three rating and a seventy six rating.
Speaker 2: And then he got rolling. But even when he got rolling,
Speaker 2: when they what's the game, I'm forgetting the Oh they
Speaker 2: didn't win the super Bowl that year, But in twenty
Speaker 2: eleven in the AFC Title Game, he had zero touchdowns,
Speaker 2: two picks of fifty eight rating and they won because
Speaker 2: those teams, they built out teams that could win even
Speaker 2: if he struggled, and Peyton Manning his playoff line. The
Speaker 2: year they won the Super Bowl in Indy. Forget Denver,
Speaker 2: the year in Denver when he was a shell of
Speaker 2: himself and in the Super Bowl had one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty yards and a fifty six rating and no touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Forget that the year in the peak of his prime,
Speaker 2: that Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl. People have memory,
Speaker 2: hold this. In that run to the Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl included Peyton Manning had three touchdowns and
Speaker 2: seven interceptions and had a passer rating of seventy for
Speaker 2: the postseason and that's how he got his first ring.
Speaker 2: And the Chiefs have been trying to build out a
Speaker 2: team that doesn't have to have Patrick be great every time.
Speaker 2: Luckily for them, thus far in his career he has
Speaker 2: been so Yeah, folks are underestimating him and the goddamn
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Speaker 2: All right, demanse, let we spent forty five minutes. You
Speaker 2: wouldn't stop talking on chiefs bills. So let's get to
Speaker 2: the other games from the weekend. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Rock Party did exactly what you what you
Speaker 4: asked him to, pa, I did what you didn't. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna I'm not caping for Rock Party anymore. That
Speaker 4: game sucked. He didn't do anything. It was did not
Speaker 4: look great. But could you can you finally admit that
Speaker 4: there's nothing that he can do to make you a believer?
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. What an hot circumstance that game?
Speaker 2: Oh listen? Uh so? I so David Lombardi, who I
Speaker 2: guess you know, writes for The Athletic and is a
Speaker 2: beat reporter. But he is the same person who had
Speaker 2: the sense deleted tweet that brock Purty is, you know,
Speaker 2: Drew Brees's accuracy combined with Lamar Jackson's athleticism. That guy
Speaker 2: he wrote an article. Yeah, that was a real tweet
Speaker 2: that existed, saying brock Purty answered every single doubt and
Speaker 2: criticism by delivering a comeback playoff drive that has immediately
Speaker 2: become part of forty nine ers legend. That's what Joe
Speaker 2: Montana used to do. And I wrote, honest to God,
Speaker 2: if that's your takeaway from this game, I truly questioned
Speaker 2: your ability to coachonally, watch analyze, and discuss football, and
Speaker 2: I stand by that. So it was a weird spot
Speaker 2: because perty did check Like I set up these theoretical
Speaker 2: boxes to check, and he checked them all in one drive.
Speaker 2: Down in the game, huge game, not with all the Avengers,
Speaker 2: and he executed the game winning drive that happened. What's
Speaker 2: unfortunate for the Brock party discourse is the previous three
Speaker 2: hours of football were on television two and he was awful.
Speaker 2: And so yes, you do get credit for that game
Speaker 2: winning drive. Yes, that is critically important, but it was
Speaker 2: kind of Perty and Josh Allen's games were kind of
Speaker 2: the bizarro versions of themselves, where Josh played really as
Speaker 2: well as you can play up until the end, and
Speaker 2: Perdy played as poorly as you can play up until
Speaker 2: the end. And he was very, very lucky was Brock
Speaker 2: that that game was not out of reach. Attempted to
Speaker 2: throw two pick sixes. The Packers got hosed on a
Speaker 2: couple early spots when they went for it on that
Speaker 2: fourth down, not so much on the fourth down sneak,
Speaker 2: but on the third down play when I think they
Speaker 2: thought they were inches away, but they spotted him a
Speaker 2: full yard short. A lot of ways, not to mention
Speaker 2: obviously the missed kick where that game should have been
Speaker 2: out of reach but it wasn't. But here and people
Speaker 2: can say, Nick, you hold him to an unfair standard.
Speaker 2: I hold him to the standard of I was being
Speaker 2: called an asshole for not saying he could be the
Speaker 2: MVP of the league. Like a Brew yesterday said that
Speaker 2: I was moving the goal posts, and I understand that,
Speaker 2: but in my opinion, the real goalpost moving is now.
Speaker 2: Folks are like, well, he's young, and he was the
Speaker 2: last pick of the draft, let's evaluate him on that metric.
Speaker 2: If we want to evaluate him on that metric, I
Speaker 2: give him a round of applause. If you want to
Speaker 2: valuate him on the metric he was discussed all year,
Speaker 2: which is he might be the MVP of the league
Speaker 2: and he's set in records. Did you watch the game?
Speaker 2: And I ask the same question that I was asking
Speaker 2: all year. Were people having a discussion about a player
Speaker 2: being league MVP when forget is he the best player
Speaker 2: on his own team? We all know he's not. The
Speaker 2: more honest question is this, is he the weak link
Speaker 2: of the Niners. Yes? The answer is yes. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you this much. I don't know what the weather for
Speaker 2: cast for Santa Clara isn't on Sunday, but if it's
Speaker 2: supposed to rain, I think the Niners should ask Detroit
Speaker 2: if they want to host the game. I think the
Speaker 2: Niners would rather play a road game in a dome
Speaker 2: than watch Rock Purty play another game in the rain.
Speaker 2: And so I am I understand I'm being stubborn on this.
Speaker 2: I'm not wrong. And credit to him for that final drive. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I do give him credit for that, and it does matter.
Speaker 2: But we all saw that game and how bad he
Speaker 2: was and how lucky he was that it was not
Speaker 2: way out of hand very early because of his mistakes.
Speaker 2: And let's see how this next weekend goes, because the
Speaker 2: discussion is gonna go real quick depending if this weekend
Speaker 2: goes poorly, if Brock plays poorly against this defense in
Speaker 2: Detroit and they lose.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's the that's this year. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's just monitor what the Kirk Cousins discussions are. Kirk
Speaker 2: is the guy Kyle always wanted, and let's just monitor
Speaker 2: what they are, all right, Let's go to the next thing.
Speaker 4: Demise all right, man, Lamar Jackson, he silenced the haters
Speaker 4: this weekend. How impressed were you with Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 4: the Ravens overall performance?
Speaker 3: But more so, Lamar.
Speaker 2: Jackson wildly impressed. There's no yeah butts here I was
Speaker 2: nervous for the Ravens at halftime, demanse, Yeah, Baltimore had
Speaker 2: dominated that game defensively, and then they give up that
Speaker 2: punt return and all of a sudden, it's ten ten
Speaker 2: at the half, and you're like, oh no, this is
Speaker 2: gonna happen again. Lamar's gonna have a mediocre game. They're
Speaker 2: gonna have some weird bounces go against them. This is
Speaker 2: what I was thinking. And Houston's gonna win, and there
Speaker 2: is going to be an off season of a visceration
Speaker 2: of Lamar, who even though I have doubted him and
Speaker 2: doubted the team, I like him. I like how Lamar
Speaker 2: is authentically himself. I hated how, in my opinion, the
Speaker 2: whole league colluded against him. I haven't believed in the Ravens,
Speaker 2: but I like I root for Lamar independent of it.
Speaker 2: And then he came out in the second half and
Speaker 2: whooped everybody as he came out in the second half
Speaker 2: and looked like an MVP. And now, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: he's in a can't lose situation. So Lamar doesn't have
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl this year. He had to
Speaker 2: not go one and done in the playoffs. Go ahead,
Speaker 2: it seems like you might disagree with the camp. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Everybody's kind of I think overstayed in this win to
Speaker 4: the Texans this weekend. I think they were ten point favorites,
Speaker 4: like they were supposed to win this game, and I
Speaker 4: just think everybody's I get this.
Speaker 3: CJ.
Speaker 4: Strouty's awesome, this his first year, but Lamar was supposed to.
Speaker 4: I think that if they lose this next round, I
Speaker 4: do think it's still on his back.
Speaker 3: I think he needs to win this next round too.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, it's just a.
Speaker 2: He would I would agree with you if he were
Speaker 2: playing anyone but mahomes right.
Speaker 4: If he loses, I guess I'm not taking into a
Speaker 4: camp killing playing the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, like, if the
Speaker 2: if the chief like, think about what the storyline Monday
Speaker 2: is gonna be. If the Chiefs win, it is not
Speaker 2: gonna be tearing down Lamar, because every it will just
Speaker 2: be they beat everyone. It will be they dispatched if
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, they dispatched it to a they dispatched of Lamar.
Speaker 2: It will be about though, right, it will just be
Speaker 2: about the Chiefs being inevitable. Now, if Lamar has three
Speaker 2: picks a fumble as a brutal game, then I guess
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But what he he didn't just
Speaker 2: need a win this weekend. He needed to play a
Speaker 2: kick ass game because he had. The weird thing about
Speaker 2: the Lamar playoff thing is he had won a game before,
Speaker 2: he had won a playoff game before. He just had
Speaker 2: never played well in a game. And in this game,
Speaker 2: he throws for one fifty runs for one hundred, throws
Speaker 2: for two runs for two. He did everything. He was their.
Speaker 3: Offense a long time.
Speaker 2: No, they have not, and the Ravens tend to do
Speaker 2: really well against teams that are unfamiliar with them. Now,
Speaker 2: Mahomes and we can talk about there's more on Friday.
Speaker 2: And again it's totally different team, different personnel, all of it.
Speaker 2: But mahomes numbers against Baltimore are legit cartoonish. I'll just
Speaker 2: give you the Mahomes career like even by.
Speaker 3: Mahomes tame they played that.
Speaker 2: Baltimore beat him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Baltimore one.
Speaker 2: By one at thirty six thirty five. But here is
Speaker 2: Mahomes in his career against the Ravens, first game ever,
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy seven yards, two tops downs, and
Speaker 2: one of the coolest plays you'll ever see. They had
Speaker 2: a fourth and forever down four, and Mahomes scrambled around
Speaker 2: forever it was on fourth and long and found Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill fifty yards down the field. That was mahomes first
Speaker 2: year as a starter. Is one of my favorite Mahomes
Speaker 2: plays ever. So three seventy seven and two touchdowns in
Speaker 2: their first meeting. Their second meeting, the Chiefs won by five.
Speaker 2: He had three seventy four and three touchdowns their third meeting.
Speaker 3: Are you saying the numbers are Lamar Jackson's numbers Mahomes's numbers?
Speaker 3: Oh all right, God, you thought I was.
Speaker 2: Saying Lamar's numbers. I'll give you Lamar's numbers and games.
Speaker 2: No I was, no, no, no, I was saying that.
Speaker 3: No. I just that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Against Baltimore, No, no, no. So the Mahomes in the first
Speaker 2: matchup three seventy seven and two scores, in the second
Speaker 2: matchup three seventy four and three scores, in the third
Speaker 2: matchup three eighty five and four scores, and in the
Speaker 2: fourth matchup the one they lost three forty three and
Speaker 2: three scores. So Mahomes averages three hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 2: passing in three touchdowns per game with a one to
Speaker 2: twenty rating against the Ravens. It's the basically the best
Speaker 2: numbers he has against any team. Lamar in those games
Speaker 2: against in Chiefs, I could give you his numbers as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, would you say this is the best defense the
Speaker 4: Ravens have had in those five years or however long
Speaker 4: it's been.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would, And now it's obviously also the best
Speaker 2: defense the Chiefs have had. Lamar in the first matchup
Speaker 2: threw for one fifty and two scores and then ran
Speaker 2: for seventy. In the second matchup threw for two to
Speaker 2: sixty and no scores, but ran for fifty with a touchdown.
Speaker 2: In the third matchup threw for ninety seven and one score,
Speaker 2: but ran for eighty three. And in the fourth matchup,
Speaker 2: the one they won, threw for two forty and one score,
Speaker 2: ran for one hundred and two scores. So he had
Speaker 2: won great game against the Chiefs, and it was the
Speaker 2: one two years ago that they won. In Week two,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be an awesome game.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Next?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so you got to skip the Lions.
Speaker 4: You guys can't talk about them on your show, your
Speaker 4: TV show, So let's use the pop talk about it.
Speaker 4: You want to give them some credit. I want to
Speaker 4: shine some light on that each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've just really really impressed. I am
Speaker 2: sad about Baker, but the right team one, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's no there's no shame in that. The right team one.
Speaker 2: And Golf has been awesome. The Tampa wasn't able to
Speaker 2: get pressure on him, and he's been excellent. And the
Speaker 2: Lions are more than live dogs this weekend. And I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna spend a ton of time on it here either,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, all'll spend more times the
Speaker 2: week goes on, just because we're late in the show.
Speaker 2: But that's a that's a great win, and I really
Speaker 2: hope we get game one as game two eighty five.
Speaker 2: Game one of the season was Lions Chiefs Game two
Speaker 2: eighty five. Being Lions Chiefs would be pretty awesome. The Lions, though,
Speaker 2: the defense getting a little better, and Golf in that
Speaker 2: offense kicking ass. They're they're a legit. I think that
Speaker 2: we ended up with the four teams remaining the fore
Speaker 2: most deserving teams. San Francisco, Detroit, Baltimore, Kansas City. Those
Speaker 2: are your four best teams in football. I thought Dallas
Speaker 2: was in there. A lot of people pretended throughout the
Speaker 2: year Buffalo was in there. But those are your four
Speaker 2: best teams in the league from start to finish of
Speaker 2: the season. And those are the four teams last left standing,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Next laden the Bucks lost to the Lions.
Speaker 4: Tampa was stopped, was storming back and went for two
Speaker 4: down eight, and Todd Bowlesden call a timeout even though
Speaker 4: they would see, yeah, you didn't call it timeout when
Speaker 4: they could have and tried. He could have won the game,
Speaker 4: but they just let the cock ran out? Yeah, like
Speaker 4: what what what happened there? I know you love these
Speaker 4: little bits.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I saw the Lions thing happening in real
Speaker 2: time and I was shocked by it. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: mentioned on the broadcast. We'll talk about the down to
Speaker 2: down fourteen Gopher two in a moment. So here was
Speaker 2: the situation, and it was stunning. I tweeted in real
Speaker 2: time about it. You can see it on the screen.
Speaker 2: So the Lions got the ball with a minute thirty
Speaker 2: three and Tampa had one timeout. Okay, that should be
Speaker 2: essentially game over. If you take those long knees where
Speaker 2: you back up a few yards, you can take call
Speaker 2: it forty three seconds a play off. There's one hundred
Speaker 2: and three seconds left in the game. I'm sorry, no,
Speaker 2: I have that wrong. There's ninety three seconds left in
Speaker 2: the game. But the Lions, of of course, or the
Speaker 2: Bucks have a timeout. So if you go forty three
Speaker 2: forty three, you take off eighty six of the ninety
Speaker 2: three seconds. The Bucks have used one timeout to take
Speaker 2: off another three seconds on that play, You've now used
Speaker 2: ninety of the ninety three and the game is essentially over.
Speaker 2: So when the Lions intercepted Tampa, everyone on the Bucks
Speaker 2: basically acted as if the game was over. Understand that,
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to use your time out
Speaker 2: if the game is going to end on a knee,
Speaker 2: just to say you did it. But golfked up. Golf.
Speaker 2: They took a knee, and I just did a timeout
Speaker 2: signal part no One. They took a knee, and no
Speaker 2: one called timeout. And then instead of taking his next
Speaker 2: knee with one second on the play clock, he will
Speaker 2: hold on. Instead of taking his next knee with one
Speaker 2: second on the play clock, he took it with seventeen
Speaker 2: seconds on the play clock. So when that happened the
Speaker 2: first time Golf took a knee, that's when I tweeted,
Speaker 2: what is he doing that? Now you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: do something on fourth down. Tampa still didn't call timeout.
Speaker 2: Golf then I think thought Tampa was out of timeouts.
Speaker 2: Took his next knee when he could have waited until
Speaker 2: there were twenty five seconds left. Took his next knee
Speaker 2: early again and took it at thirty six seconds. Now
Speaker 2: it is fourth down, okay, from the thirty there there
Speaker 2: are thirty six seconds left, and you have a timeout.
Speaker 2: You and guys are shaking hands, but you have a
Speaker 2: timeout Tampa, and Bulls said there would have been twelve seconds. No,
Speaker 2: that's wrong. That is bait. What Bulls was saying is
Speaker 2: based on the idea that Golf was gonna take the
Speaker 2: full forty. But he didn't. He screwed up. I think
Speaker 2: that was a coaching mistake by the Lions and a
Speaker 2: mistake by Golf. If Todd Bowles calls timeout, Detroit is
Speaker 2: now in this spot, they have the ball on the thirty,
Speaker 2: they are up eight. There are thirty six seconds left
Speaker 2: in this football game. What are you doing. None of
Speaker 2: the options are great options. You want to kick a
Speaker 2: field goal to win the game. I guess if you
Speaker 2: miss it. Now there's thirty seconds left, Tampa's almost at midfield. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's not a great option. There's thirty five seconds left,
Speaker 2: so you can't like just run around on fourth down.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna punt the ball, I guess. But that
Speaker 2: then opens up to a potential blocked punt. But regardless,
Speaker 2: it would have been Tampa's ball, worst case scenario ninety
Speaker 2: yards away with thirty seconds left, not four seconds left,
Speaker 2: thirty seconds left. So it was a huge gaff by
Speaker 2: Detroit to allow that to be possible, and an equally
Speaker 2: huge gaff by Tampa to not recognize that was happening,
Speaker 2: so that that was no good. Now, the going for
Speaker 2: two when you score a touchdown when you're down fourteen late,
Speaker 2: it is so at this point well documented why you
Speaker 2: want to do it that I don't even really want
Speaker 2: to spend time on it. And I hear people saying, ah,
Speaker 2: what does analytics take into account that Detroit's better than this,
Speaker 2: that the other guys. If you just kick two extra points,
Speaker 2: your best case scenario is overtime. The folks act like
Speaker 2: the goals to get to overtime the goals to win.
Speaker 2: So if we like, I could game out the math
Speaker 2: for you and show you why it is by legitimately like,
Speaker 2: not by a couple percentage points, by twenty five percent
Speaker 2: a better option. I'll just do it very quickly. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's just assume extra points are made one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the time. Okay, which they're not, but give you that.
Speaker 2: If you're down fourteen points, you need the only way
Speaker 2: you can win is to score. If you're just gonna
Speaker 2: kick extra points, is to score three times, right, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 2: and then something else in overtime or later in the game,
Speaker 2: whatever it is. We all agree that it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what you do unless you get at least two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: And actually it doesn't matter what you do unless you
Speaker 2: get a third score. So if you are down fourteen,
Speaker 2: kick the extra point, kick the extra point, then you
Speaker 2: need to go score again. If you are down fourteen
Speaker 2: and you go for two and you get it, then
Speaker 2: a touch You don't need a third score. You just
Speaker 2: need the next touchdown. If you are down fourteen and
Speaker 2: you go for two and you don't get it, you
Speaker 2: then have another opportunity to get it the second time around.
Speaker 2: That's why you do it. It's it is as again I said,
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna do the math, but I will do
Speaker 2: the math real quick. Let's just all let's just take
Speaker 2: these probabilities, and by the way, I am going to
Speaker 2: give you demons here the most and tie this strategy.
Speaker 2: Probabilities meaning field goals are ninety five or extra points
Speaker 2: are ninety five percent, call them one hundred. Two point
Speaker 2: conversions are like fifty five percent, call them fifty and
Speaker 2: I will explain. And overtime is it depends on who
Speaker 2: you're playing, but call it fifty okay.
Speaker 3: If you just.
Speaker 2: Kick the extra point, okay, and you get your two touchdowns,
Speaker 2: your odds of winning are what fifty percent? Right, because
Speaker 2: you're going to overtime. Do we all agree on that? Okay?
Speaker 2: So if you just do it the old school way,
Speaker 2: call it fifty percent. Again, it's lower than that because
Speaker 2: extra points are not guaranteed. But give it to you.
Speaker 2: If you go the gopher two down fourteen route, here's
Speaker 2: the probabilities you have to add up. You have gopher
Speaker 2: two and get your two point conversion that's a fifty
Speaker 2: percent chance you get it, and then you win the game.
Speaker 2: Because we're again on all the things. We are assuming
Speaker 2: you're scoring twice, you're making your extra points, but then
Speaker 2: you are adding you are adding to your chances there
Speaker 2: the whole go for two, don't get it, that's fifty percent,
Speaker 2: and then when you score the second time, you get it.
Speaker 2: That time, this is fifty percent of fifty percent, So
Speaker 2: now it's seventy five. You add that percentage to the
Speaker 2: other one. You are increasing your chances of winning the
Speaker 2: game by half. It's that simple. And now you are
Speaker 2: increasing your chances of losing in regulation by half, but
Speaker 2: not of losing the game outright. If we had a chalkboard,
Speaker 2: I could draw it out for you. But if you
Speaker 2: don't understand it, or if you think, oh, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't factor in, yes it does. And the argument that
Speaker 2: I keep hearing, which is doesn't factor in the Detroit's
Speaker 2: better guys. You definitely want to do this if you're
Speaker 2: the underdog, because it's the way to prevent overtime, which
Speaker 2: if you are the underdog, you want the game to
Speaker 2: be shortened and come down to as few plays as possible.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to end the show on a math lesson,
Speaker 2: but I just can't believe people don't understand it yet.
Speaker 2: So here's what I want to do for our final segment.
Speaker 2: Let's do our game. So take quick break, come back
Speaker 2: play two wrongs in a right. We'll do that so
Speaker 2: Demanse can talk Jordan Love. We'll do all that next
Speaker 2: What's Right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Welcome back in What's Right with Nick Right? Episode two ten.
Speaker 2: There's been a very long episode, demons. Let's we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to our game. Two wrongs in a right. But
Speaker 2: I'm putting I'm turning the tables on you. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: redo the Jordan Love question. Jordan Love's breakout first year
Speaker 2: came to an end. Packers might make him one of
Speaker 2: the NFL's highest paid quarterbacks in this offseason. Jordan Love
Speaker 2: is top five, a franchise quarterback or fool's gold, which
Speaker 2: one is right?
Speaker 4: We're gonna call him a franchise quarterback. Can't call him
Speaker 4: fools gold, can't call him top five because he's definitely
Speaker 4: not top five right now. But that picked that he
Speaker 4: threw at the end, I kind of sadly, kind of
Speaker 4: felt like the game was was already over there. Uh,
Speaker 4: that was a that's just something you got to clean
Speaker 4: up on. But there's always next year. And I like,
Speaker 4: I like what I saw this year, And honestly, the
Speaker 4: Packers probably had one of the most successful seasons of
Speaker 4: any team in the NFL this year, right up there
Speaker 4: with the Texans.
Speaker 2: Everything you said except for the game was over there
Speaker 2: because they're only down three. Learned from that mistake, and
Speaker 2: now you don't feel great about the kicker, especially after
Speaker 2: you heard and I know Lafleur's pissed that this got
Speaker 2: out in the media, but that he told in the
Speaker 2: pregame meeting when they about the kicker struggles, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just pray every time he kicks, Like, yikes, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the no, they had the teams that feel the
Speaker 2: best about their season, Demons, It is going to go.
Speaker 2: Whoever wins the super Bowl will be won. I think
Speaker 2: the Lions are probably gonna be two, no matter what
Speaker 2: happened to the rest of the way. They're obviously one
Speaker 2: if they win it, and then I think three and four.
Speaker 4: Is Packers, Texans, honestly by Texans Ravens. After that, baby, well,
Speaker 4: the Ravens will be a weird spot because if they
Speaker 4: lose this weekend, they're gonna.
Speaker 2: Feel like, ah, we were so close. So it depends
Speaker 2: on how these weekends go. But yeah, I and you
Speaker 2: saw it in Joydan.
Speaker 4: We've got the stuff to work with. We've we've we've
Speaker 4: got this stuff to work with. Super young team youngest.
Speaker 4: You don't want to say not a green Bay guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, why don't you be a green Bay guy?
Speaker 2: Maybe that's demanse, Maybe that's the way to get the perma.
Speaker 3: Is that my claim?
Speaker 2: They invite he's a Packer fan. What if you big
Speaker 2: Packer fan instead of the Ravens.
Speaker 3: It was Chief's raven Green Bay?
Speaker 2: You were never really a cheapskuy All right, let's get
Speaker 2: to the next one.
Speaker 3: A Chiefs guy, rip my heart out? All right?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: The baker, the bakery, the ba the baker.
Speaker 4: May magic may have rent out, but you think he's
Speaker 4: proved he so do you think he's proved.
Speaker 3: That he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4: There's a mutual interest in bringing back, Yeah, franchise adjacent quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's interest in him coming back.
Speaker 4: The team might want him back, but they're probably gonna
Speaker 4: be other teams that want him. So do you think
Speaker 4: Bakers should go to the Steelers, the Falcons or the Vikings?
Speaker 4: Why are the why are's Tampa not on there?
Speaker 2: They're saying if you were to leave, They're saying, if
Speaker 2: you were to leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the question.
Speaker 2: Listen. The Falcons are an interesting one because Belichick reportedly
Speaker 2: liked him out of the draft, So that would be
Speaker 2: an intriguing one if Belichick goes to Atlanta because they
Speaker 2: have those weapons. The Vikings obviously have justin Jefferson and
Speaker 2: our best positioned h but I think he's going to
Speaker 2: be back in Tampa, all right.
Speaker 4: Last one, Demonse, all right, so we got a video
Speaker 4: of you showing Dexter or I guess, explaining to Dexter
Speaker 4: that the kicker and the Bills game could miss the kick,
Speaker 4: and we're going to show those the show the viewers.
Speaker 5: Last week you were in, I told you.
Speaker 2: That's what every all right, Demanse, you you said you
Speaker 2: cringed and me saying every phase matters, but it obviously does.
Speaker 2: All right, So go go ahead and ask the question.
Speaker 4: When watching an NFL game Nick with Nick is Oh wait,
Speaker 4: when watching an Nick, I laugh? Am I learning? Or
Speaker 4: am I leaving. This is totally subjective. Uh, it's when
Speaker 4: it's Chiefs. When it's any other NFL game, it's it's
Speaker 4: it's a it's.
Speaker 3: A learning experience. I feel like I.
Speaker 4: Get a lot of little little knowledge and little tips
Speaker 4: thrown at me. But when when it's when it's the Chiefs,
Speaker 4: I don't know, you get a little but.
Speaker 3: It's not you never look like really irritated with me.
Speaker 3: It's like super irritable though, So it's it's a little
Speaker 3: bit of a hostile fun to be around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to be around during Chiefs games.
Speaker 2: I'm self aware of.
Speaker 4: I'm also aware of it.
Speaker 3: We go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your mom would say I was a jerk all
Speaker 2: of last week. Forget the game. Yeah, the moment that
Speaker 2: it was clear was going to be Chiefs Bills and
Speaker 2: I knew what was at stake for everyone involved. Even
Speaker 2: though I was incredibly confident the Chiefs were going to win,
Speaker 2: I was irritable all week. I feel so differently this week.
Speaker 2: But when it's not, I'm glad you said what you said.
Speaker 2: When it's not a Chiefs game, I feel like I
Speaker 2: am one of the most educational people in the world.
Speaker 2: To watch a football game with as far as like
Speaker 2: things that happened, why it's happening.
Speaker 3: Right, what you would do? What they need to do
Speaker 3: with the clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I loved. I loved telling people about how
Speaker 2: to run the manage the clock. All right, this is
Speaker 2: a great show. It went super long. I gotta go,
Speaker 2: I gotta go. Yell at Colin Coward about his terrible
Speaker 2: bills picks and now he's saying the Ravens are gonna
Speaker 2: blow out the Chiefs. See you guys on first things
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