WEBVTT - Nerdificent Best of 2019 Part 1 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:13.760 Hey, what's up, nerd fam? How you doing? It is 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.520 December thirty one, New Year's Eve, and I just want 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.960 y'all know we are thinking about you, but also we 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:25.400 are busy party and traveling, so we're gonna hit you 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.600 with some of the best of this year's ner defficent 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.040 to fill that void before you go party tonight. So enjoy. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.479 I mean, I guess you will just jump right into it. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.520 For anybody who's never heard of it or don't know 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:45.400 what what we're talking about, what is Afro anime? Well, um, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.280 it's really based on like the first part of the 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.880 word afro, So like when people hear afro enemy, you 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.400 don't want to think about a frow like a hair. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.640 Afro's more about that inspired by Africa, taking me from 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.720 the African lands. So if you're talking about fighting with 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.680 the Bens, you're gonna look at African weapons. If you're 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.199 talking about martial arts, you're not gonna see uh jiu jitsu, 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.119 You're gonna see like lamb or um some sent other 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.480 Senegal wrestling techniques, You're gonna see African techniques. And that's 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:18.760 the afro so basically African inspired in terms of lore techniques, 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:24.720 magic juju in an anime kind of medium, which is 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.920 like you know, when someone's angry, you have that not 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.919 on the head, you know, powering up some of those things. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.440 It's a you know, we in creating the name, it 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.440 was kind of like it's very much African and die sport, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.120 but we we also are going to give you know, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.640 shouts out to the people that kind of you know, 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.400 brought us to the genre, like you know, So it 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.200 wasn't like we're going to create a name that completely 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.480 like disregards the contribution of those who did amazing work 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.960 and anime that got us even thinking about creating stories 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.200 in this media. Um, we're gonna create a name that okay, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.240 shows show some love, but then very much lets you know, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.800 this is Afro anime. This is uh, we're gonna tell 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.400 stories through the African lens. Right. So I used to 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.680 always say that, you know, when you're painting, you have 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.400 this like you know, your oils and all that, and 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.600 so anime is kind of like that you have always always, 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.200 But what you're drawing is the continent. You're drawing certain 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.040 themes in the continent Pan African, specifically Nigerian, specifically from Kenya, 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.440 specifically these different ethnic groups spirits. So when you're talking 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.080 about you know, Nato has the nine tails, we have 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.760 a tortoise. You know when we when we you know, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.079 shout out to a Nancy. You know what's talking about 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:38.799 when we talk about Nancy, you know what we're talking 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.160 about West African thing, So you know that's sort of 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.919 what Afro anime is. What were some of the because um, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.320 you both grew up watching anime, what were some of 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.720 the titles? I guess that really got you interested in 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.720 moving into animation. I mean I got it first and foremost. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.680 Give a shout out to whoever made the decision um 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.800 on Cartoon Network to create. Know, you don't realize how 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.800 you've affected an entire culture of people. I'm talking about 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:15.160 from hip hop to like animation to even comedy. It's 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.280 so much ingrained into the culture. I just heard this 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.720 new artist, UM don't know, something like that or the Stallion, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.560 and she had a bar that was like hair yellow 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.240 light go. I was like, see this is what I'm 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.160 talking about, Like we know where this came for us, 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.480 So shout out to Tonomi, like I don't know, we 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.800 used to rush and get our homework done just so 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.880 we can get in at that primetime hour from DBZ, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:44.920 from Gundam Wing to Cowboy Beb, Samurai Jack, like Ronie Ketchen. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.600 That was like like introduction and then we were like 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.360 we started getting on the internet more and we're like, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:04:00.960 wait a minute, there's more. Sometimes you gotta get it. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.600 But that was the only way we could get it. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.440 And then getting your family involved, like that's the funny thing. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.200 That's one thing we made a mistake a little bit. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.080 Then enduring community is huge, huge, huge. I mean the 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.240 Black dives sport community is huge there they're looking for that. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.560 This is the time before podcast, this era when we 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.320 did this Kickstarter, this is a time before podcast and 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.960 content push, so it was it was just a different 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.440 time before the Facebook girls even came out and all that. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.000 So really your community was was critical. Well, if I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 can just jump in for the time you're talking about 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.640 is very interesting because I feel like now black nerdiness 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.080 is very mainstream. But there was a moment not too 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.800 long ago where black people on Twitter figured out that 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.000 we all liked DBS for some reason. We all thought 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.080 we separately liked it, and we didn't. But you had 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.600 the same dudes who was jigging dudes you know who 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:59.880 were also into d b z yeayeah and so like 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.680 exploded online and right around the time that now we 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.720 hear it in music and all that. But there was 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.240 a time when we all thought it was like our 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.359 little corner and it wasn't as like in Vogue or 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.919 cool to just flaunt your nerdiness. So now we I 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.839 think we are in an era now where people are 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.800 super seeking it out too, especially when you got taste 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.560 of it like Afro Samurai and Boondocks. I know, people, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.840 there's something you you touched on that I think is 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.000 is really important. I want to highlight because it's something 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:32.320 we've talked about in the past episodes where Hollywood, especially 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.120 coming from this personal spot in Hollywood, is there is 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:41.359 a regurgitation of just the same eurocentric stories. And then 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.679 I think you were right. You did see that trend. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.560 You had Coco, you had Book of Life, and even 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.320 then we're slowly getting but it's slow. It's afraid because 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.400 like because they don't know these stories. So it's either 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.880 they're waiting for a Latinox creator to come and bring 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.960 it or still it. You know what we're saying, Like 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.680 all the way funky. You know, as I get older, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.640 get a road in age. You know, something you know 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.200 I see among a lot of my you know, ethno 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.560 peers is their relationship with their ethnicity. And you know, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.200 my mom's from Louisiana, my dad's from Nigeria, and you know, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.159 my dad gives me what it gives me. But like 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.599 you know, the way I grew up, I was never 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.719 surrounded by a lot of other Nigerians. Like you know, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.240 we went to the association meetings board out of your mind. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.880 You gotta break it down. Association. So Nanginian is like 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.120 to meet in big organizations men and women. They call 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.080 associations associations with this so we're very You could be 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.479 three years old and you know how to conduct a 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:45.920 meeting because you like in no corporate meetings, nothing compared 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.480 to what I have to sit through. You know. Let's 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.080 we've been talking about Afro anime and there are certain 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.680 things that stuck out to people as Afro anime. And 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.560 you know, there's there's something we talked about during the 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.040 break that I want to hear you display for all 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.560 the listeners. But also why I think that's a good 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.320 thing because you almost said it like it was negative, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.120 but I think it's a good thing. So we're gonna 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.480 talk about Afro Samurai and the Boondocks, which are like 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.600 the two I think closest things people will think of 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:20.200 if they're like Afro Animates, no doubt. Yeah, that's the problem. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:21.800 That's the problem if you google, if you google it, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.480 but real quick, I will start by saying the good Yeah, 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.760 I'll start by saying the good. Um. Shout out to 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.320 Aaron McGruder. I don't think he realizes what it meant 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.320 to young black kids who had a newspaper in their 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.240 hand and will go to the comics section and see representation. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.160 Can we just take I'm gonna just take two seconds 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.600 to really land on that, because you are so right. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.320 I would because I would run into the Sunday Funnies 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.520 and you know, first we had that one. For better 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.640 or worse I think it was. And shout out to 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.560 him too. I'm not gonna talk, but when I saw 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.440 boon Docks, that changed my life because not only was 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.760 it the black Man, but it also had an anime 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.400 style to it. So I was like, I'm in because 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.440 you know, really truly like too, because before that, like Animates, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.880 me was just you know your dbcs. You show Tinchi 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.720 Muio so to see like an Afro done in an 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.680 anime style. It just opened my eyes to a new world. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.520 So yes, your I totally know, Like that is the 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.000 good of being Like, oh you change my world. That's 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.320 the best thing I'm gonna say. And then that can 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.000 I start so here you is? So first of all, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.440 to start with boondogs now, I mean, and I do 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.840 this with African futurism. Now, if you represent just the continent, 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.400 you actually represent the largest amount of black people in 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:49.479 the world period. So that representation is actually small by buondos, 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.920 actually does not represent the Dia spore. Like if you 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:57.280 would actually start from continent with perspective just by numbers, game, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.320 yeah that's number one. Number two is like boom Docks 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.880 had this thing where like like what's that? What's that? One? 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:08.520 Um dude with the like like like why would I 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.120 create a character give life to an imaginary character that 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.000 hates on his own people? I can't do it? Like no, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.720 this is very important, Like you got to understand the 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.520 power of media. Yeah, you gotta understand the power of media. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.520 This already is in our community. It's already there. Now 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.640 we have a name for them. And my my take 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.080 on that is that because you it would do a 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.680 disservice for what Boon Docks was doing, because yeah, we 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.439 created Uncle ruck Is, but we still have Sheriff Clark 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:44.480 out there. We still got what what about the Ben Carson? 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.360 No this this just hurts to say because he's my man. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.120 But like right now in this yeah, you know we 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.040 have those. So like I think that put like a 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.720 word because there is this idea it of like you know, 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.480 I know there's this idea that like, you know, I 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.200 feel like it is something to like he was speaking 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.559 to like this type of person that we always see. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.280 And I think it's because like Boondocks is like specific, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.680 but I think that still drives home your point that 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.920 it's only covering the small aspect of it. I'm the biggest, biggest, biggest. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.320 I don't know what I want to say I say, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.480 I don't want to say. I guess proponent, but I guess, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.240 like I say this a lot where there's truth to 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.600 let that media you're controlling, and there was a point where, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.840 like you know, you did have certain folks you know, Um, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.559 I don't think I need to say which folks who 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.440 would take that character and really like him for the 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:45.720 wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's that Dave Chappelle off camera left. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.120 I know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.400 talking about. Yeah, So, so, like I that is extremely valid, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.360 But that was the main thing, like you said, like 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.440 you have characters that can easily become these like caricatures. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.440 It got really hyper and like that's what I'm saying, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.320 Like you know, you had your Hui, but he was 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.960 dipped in Japanese philosophy, you know, Like it was like 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.520 I couldn't like those things, like like we're again having 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.960 this one individual of African descent fully involved in Japan 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.480 full like as if we eables your boss, Uh, how 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.160 about something, how some massaia you can keep going who 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.040 don't have traditions that are really powerful that can help 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.720 you navigate the streets of whatever. And then so a 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.840 lot of those things like they kind of show this 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.800 kind of depiction that to me was very much, very 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.840 close to what's that dude media type individual. Yeah, I 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.640 put that in the and I put in the same 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.200 class because that's the thing is like like the frow 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.160 like like that's it. And and the corn Rows, Like 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.240 there's some just like literally with African futurism and all 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.319 these like what we're trying to do in independent creators 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.920 are trying to do. It's like even hair. Hair is 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.240 the most political thing that literally we have so many 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.640 different styles. Now whenever we try to have a character 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.000 draw draw one of our characters, they draw Kiwe remember 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.319 of that. Yeah, there was just to kind of take 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.480 you back when earlier when I talked about how everyone 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.360 had to go through Obie's regiment of reading African literature. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.080 We had to deconstruct a lot of our artists, a 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.280 lot of our artists who we worked with, you know, 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.040 they were taught Western styles, maybe Japanese styles, so when 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.960 we brought them to an African story, they would bring 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.120 that with them and we had to literally break that 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.440 because there would be a situation where there's a full 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.760 description of how this character is supposed to look, and 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.840 the artists would come back with this random, uh stock 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.840 African mask, not even African masks, like a tiki mask 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.760 on the arm, and then some Hughey type hair and 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.840 we're like and no shirt, Like wait, that's where did 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.040 you get this from? And they're like, oh, this is like, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.440 it's an African character, Like did you read the description? 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.960 And then with one of our other characters, we had 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.280 to actually stop one of our artists because we realized 0:12:55.440 --> 0:13:00.520 every scene the character was getting lighter and lighter and lighter, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.800 to the point where I was like, whoa, bro, what 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.679 is what is going on? And he was like, oh um, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.800 I don't don't. He couldn't even answer me. He didn't 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.600 he didn't even realize what was just and like what 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.680 was internal? Well, yeah, that's totally systematic, and you see 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.800 it all the docks is part of that system that 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.160 sime and even depiction of black women. Let's talk about 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.080 that Bundogs like like Bundogs is not is not it? 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.280 In terms of like I'm being real, like, like, is 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.280 there any depictions of black women that y'all that y'all 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.360 could like vibe with in Budogs? I have to go 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.800 exactly exactly exactly, you ain't gonna get me before I 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.240 look at I do want to say we've we I mean, 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.520 if he and I have had these conversations that unfortunately 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.640 also a lot of times, when you are the first, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.600 you bear the weight of your entire community. Well, here's 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.960 the thing is that And here's one where I'm going 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.880 to come in for aaron, just for a bit. We 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.760 are blessed that we we we and we have to 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.600 admit that the three Nigerian sitting at the table, knowing 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.680 like our culture where we from all those things, we 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.440 have to remember that a lot of African Americans aren't 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.960 blessed with that information, and so they have to go 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.160 off of what they grew up doing. And I think 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.560 that's why it's Afros and uh and I think it's 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.560 corn rows and I think like the the the caricature 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.720 nous of it, that whole show is talking very specific 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.120 and I think you're right in due time, especially now 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.000 if you look at that compared to what we see 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:35.520 in Black Panther, the the diversity in only clothing. Like 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.360 I almost wept when I saw for the first time 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.000 on the big screen the clothes we see growing up 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:47.840 display that being said, Riley is a specific black person. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.720 Pewee is a very specific Black verson, even who Cedric 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:56.920 yarbrowers character uh the like whitewash black Tea. It is 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.720 a show of yeah, I mean and right there in 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.000 the name, it is a show of caricatures. And I 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.320 think that was and I think the I think it 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:15.160 wasn't for us in the sense of like, like, I 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.000 guess we should have mentioned that this is a spoiler. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.240 This is going to be spoiler heavy for a Game 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.960 of Thrones if you haven't seen it. It's kind of 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.760 hard to tackle the series as we go into season 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.080 by season without spoiling something. So if that does bother 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.440 you and you're planning to, I don't know, catch it 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.080 and binge it before it comes out this weekend, you 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.080 might wanna take a not a nightcap. You might want 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.280 a nightcap and also rain check. That's the word I 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.000 was looking for. If you're going back to what you 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.760 were saying about having that more mass appeal, I think 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.920 the fact that it is so grounded in kind of 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.720 reality and the politics of it all is what brings 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.280 in your mainstream viewing public, because I think if they 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.200 saw magic and dragons and all that right from the beginning, 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.680 they wouldn't believe it, Whereas now they're all pready invested 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.280 in the reality of that world, so they're more apt 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.360 to believe, oh crap, there's dragons, you know. That's that's 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.120 a good point because there are like I have talked 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.280 to friends who are trying to get their friends into 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.200 the show now, and it's kind of being that same argument. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.160 Was like, oh, you mean the Dragon Show. And I 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.640 was like to call it the Dragon show when we 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.840 have waited and worked so hard to to to get 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.120 to the dragons. It's like that is true. Well, and 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.080 you know, right before so if we're talking about the 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.440 show right before Game of Thrones, that slot was True 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.800 Blood and I grew up like I was watching True Blood, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.840 same thing. Yeah, vampires, a lot of sex. Yes, that's 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:48.320 how they got people in. I mean, wow, wow, first episode. Wow, 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.720 this is how much of a hyper nerd. I was 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:57.240 just like, oh, you get to see rogues boobs. I mean, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.680 but I agree because so I remember like every oh yeah, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.720 everyone in my family watched it. I remember like my 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.040 I would go over and watch it with my cousin 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.000 and her husband and it was like, so, I don't know, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.480 so raunchy, but like they weren't into sci fi fantasy 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.920 and that type of stuff, like that type of lure. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.399 And I think because they kind of made it like 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.840 oh no, it's kind of like a soap opera slash 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.520 drama slash just skinn of max essentially is what helps 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.560 get it get it in, and truple had actually comes 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.919 down a bit after that first season. That first season 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:34.000 is but it got hello magical, but women come yea, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.359 the sex came down, and then it was like fairies 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.359 and all that. You know, any of those Sukie Stackhouse books, 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.240 so very similar to the Game of Thrones. The books 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.520 are like those books are like you know, you're they're 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.040 very lots of sex scenes, very very into it. Like 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.679 it wasn't quite shades of it wasn't quite there, but 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.800 it definitely was like the book club was like, oh, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.159 we're gonna read about this type of stuff. And I 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.440 only knew about it because I was funny enough. True 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.560 Blood was deep into my headspace because the person I 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.280 was dating at the time was a big fan of 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.040 the Sukie Stackhouse books, big fan, and you know, she 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.360 was from Utah, so you know, that was real spicy 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.080 out there. They're like, hold up, hold up, We're getting 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.600 getting a little taste there. So yeah, that's and I think, yeah, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.240 the same thing where you just ground it in enough 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.280 reality and kind of almost in the same way the 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.480 m CU kind of pulls in regular people where you 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.159 just kind of find that other genre. So there is 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.600 this at its core if you eject all of the magic. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.959 Game of Thrones is a show about politics, and I 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.960 think True Blood was about kind of like a soap 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.320 opera that but like that, I don't. I hate using 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.400 the term because we kind of I want to say, 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.880 like high soap soap opera, because there are like soap 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.600 opera s shows that seem more mainstream than actual soap operas. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.720 But I think it's you just call it soap opera 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.400 because you know the new thing that was saying with 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.480 movies like Hereditary and and Us, should there be a 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.960 term called elevated horrors? Like no, it's horror. It's the 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.359 same horror. Just because you feel smarter doesn't mean you 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.199 have to char and alienate people when you like it. 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.760 So that's why I was against calling it like high 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.960 soap opera, but like, yeah, that's soap opera. Yeah. But 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.800 you're right, Danny, that that show ended, and it left 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.320 the people that watched True Blood with horn am I 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.240 going to do on Sunday nights? I was one of 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.960 those people. I mean, I watched True Blood to the 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.440 end even though I was like, this show is not 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.040 good anymore, and I don't care. I'm still watching it, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.679 And yeah, then what am I going to do with 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.359 my Sunday nights boom game of Throat? So moving on 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:41.840 to season three, pretty brutal, pretty brutal, you know, just 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.040 the Red Wedding, No big deal. So yeah, Season three 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.040 brings the Red Wedding, which I think was another moment 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.359 for people, like Ned's execution, where you're like, oh man, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.439 they can totally slaughter all the guys and wherever I 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.600 thought this story was going, yes it's not. Oh boy. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.840 That was one of the most there's nothing better than 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.879 your book smugness, you know when when that because like 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.360 everyone who read the book knew it was coming, and 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.960 so like when people were freaking out over like Nettos, 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.240 you ain't even ready, You ain't even right because even 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.640 in the book it's so it really I didn't I'd 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:22.000 never watch Red reading. I only read it. Reading it, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.920 it really sets you up. You really think, oh, this 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.680 is the moment they're coming together, We're about the Vultron 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.359 and take over and everything just goes south. Yeah, and 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.200 I imagine the show set the same thing up, especially 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.160 because once again, the I think the popularity of Game 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:44.359 of Thrones is it subverts our expectation of how heroes 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.960 fight villains and how it's supposed to work, and the 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.600 Red Wedding is one of the biggest brutal. I think 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.600 it's so cool though, that that will ever be in 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.359 pop culture history, right, wedding even if you're not a 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.000 game of throat, Like you know what it's from and 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.360 you know what it stands for, like what it means. 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.760 I just think that's so cool to have like forever 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.439 altered film and media or like media history. Yeah, the 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.040 Red Wedding is a big freaking deal, and I do 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.439 think that it hit all the show hatchers by sermon. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.199 It was super fun to because how many people was like, 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.600 I'm never watching, like you ever watching again. I was 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.840 actually watching it with Meg Tourney, who I don't know 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.919 if either of you know Meg, but she was one 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.040 of my old co hosts on Source fed Nerd, and 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.240 she hadn't read the books and I had, and so 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.240 we're watching it and she's like on her phone and 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.840 I'm like, hey, hey, pay attention right now, pay attention. 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:33.760 You're gonna want to see this. And I wish that 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:39.400 I had figured reaction because she lost her mind. Um, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.760 but yeah, that's that's how every was. And I giggled 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:45.320 like a fool watching people's reactions online because well, because 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.640 I went through it too, I went through years earlier 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.240 when I read it. In the books, there is always 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.080 something too, of like reading something shocking because you're like, 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.240