Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, nerd fam? How you doing? It is
Speaker 1: December thirty one, New Year's Eve, and I just want
Speaker 1: y'all know we are thinking about you, but also we
Speaker 1: are busy party and traveling, so we're gonna hit you
Speaker 1: with some of the best of this year's ner defficent
Speaker 1: to fill that void before you go party tonight. So enjoy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you will just jump right into it.
Speaker 1: For anybody who's never heard of it or don't know
Speaker 1: what what we're talking about, what is Afro anime? Well, um,
Speaker 1: it's really based on like the first part of the
Speaker 1: word afro, So like when people hear afro enemy, you
Speaker 1: don't want to think about a frow like a hair.
Speaker 1: Afro's more about that inspired by Africa, taking me from
Speaker 1: the African lands. So if you're talking about fighting with
Speaker 1: the Bens, you're gonna look at African weapons. If you're
Speaker 1: talking about martial arts, you're not gonna see uh jiu jitsu,
Speaker 1: You're gonna see like lamb or um some sent other
Speaker 1: Senegal wrestling techniques, You're gonna see African techniques. And that's
Speaker 1: the afro so basically African inspired in terms of lore techniques,
Speaker 1: magic juju in an anime kind of medium, which is
Speaker 1: like you know, when someone's angry, you have that not
Speaker 1: on the head, you know, powering up some of those things.
Speaker 1: It's a you know, we in creating the name, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like it's very much African and die sport,
Speaker 1: but we we also are going to give you know,
Speaker 1: shouts out to the people that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: brought us to the genre, like you know, So it
Speaker 1: wasn't like we're going to create a name that completely
Speaker 1: like disregards the contribution of those who did amazing work
Speaker 1: and anime that got us even thinking about creating stories
Speaker 1: in this media. Um, we're gonna create a name that okay,
Speaker 1: shows show some love, but then very much lets you know,
Speaker 1: this is Afro anime. This is uh, we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: stories through the African lens. Right. So I used to
Speaker 1: always say that, you know, when you're painting, you have
Speaker 1: this like you know, your oils and all that, and
Speaker 1: so anime is kind of like that you have always always,
Speaker 1: But what you're drawing is the continent. You're drawing certain
Speaker 1: themes in the continent Pan African, specifically Nigerian, specifically from Kenya,
Speaker 1: specifically these different ethnic groups spirits. So when you're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, Nato has the nine tails, we have
Speaker 1: a tortoise. You know when we when we you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to a Nancy. You know what's talking about
Speaker 1: when we talk about Nancy, you know what we're talking
Speaker 1: about West African thing, So you know that's sort of
Speaker 1: what Afro anime is. What were some of the because um,
Speaker 1: you both grew up watching anime, what were some of
Speaker 1: the titles? I guess that really got you interested in
Speaker 1: moving into animation. I mean I got it first and foremost.
Speaker 1: Give a shout out to whoever made the decision um
Speaker 1: on Cartoon Network to create. Know, you don't realize how
Speaker 1: you've affected an entire culture of people. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: from hip hop to like animation to even comedy. It's
Speaker 1: so much ingrained into the culture. I just heard this
Speaker 1: new artist, UM don't know, something like that or the Stallion,
Speaker 1: and she had a bar that was like hair yellow
Speaker 1: light go. I was like, see this is what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, Like we know where this came for us,
Speaker 1: So shout out to Tonomi, like I don't know, we
Speaker 1: used to rush and get our homework done just so
Speaker 1: we can get in at that primetime hour from DBZ,
Speaker 1: from Gundam Wing to Cowboy Beb, Samurai Jack, like Ronie Ketchen.
Speaker 1: That was like like introduction and then we were like
Speaker 1: we started getting on the internet more and we're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's more. Sometimes you gotta get it.
Speaker 1: But that was the only way we could get it.
Speaker 1: And then getting your family involved, like that's the funny thing.
Speaker 1: That's one thing we made a mistake a little bit.
Speaker 1: Then enduring community is huge, huge, huge. I mean the
Speaker 1: Black dives sport community is huge there they're looking for that.
Speaker 1: This is the time before podcast, this era when we
Speaker 1: did this Kickstarter, this is a time before podcast and
Speaker 1: content push, so it was it was just a different
Speaker 1: time before the Facebook girls even came out and all that.
Speaker 1: So really your community was was critical. Well, if I
Speaker 1: can just jump in for the time you're talking about
Speaker 1: is very interesting because I feel like now black nerdiness
Speaker 1: is very mainstream. But there was a moment not too
Speaker 1: long ago where black people on Twitter figured out that
Speaker 1: we all liked DBS for some reason. We all thought
Speaker 1: we separately liked it, and we didn't. But you had
Speaker 1: the same dudes who was jigging dudes you know who
Speaker 1: were also into d b z yeayeah and so like
Speaker 1: exploded online and right around the time that now we
Speaker 1: hear it in music and all that. But there was
Speaker 1: a time when we all thought it was like our
Speaker 1: little corner and it wasn't as like in Vogue or
Speaker 1: cool to just flaunt your nerdiness. So now we I
Speaker 1: think we are in an era now where people are
Speaker 1: super seeking it out too, especially when you got taste
Speaker 1: of it like Afro Samurai and Boondocks. I know, people,
Speaker 1: there's something you you touched on that I think is
Speaker 1: is really important. I want to highlight because it's something
Speaker 1: we've talked about in the past episodes where Hollywood, especially
Speaker 1: coming from this personal spot in Hollywood, is there is
Speaker 1: a regurgitation of just the same eurocentric stories. And then
Speaker 1: I think you were right. You did see that trend.
Speaker 1: You had Coco, you had Book of Life, and even
Speaker 1: then we're slowly getting but it's slow. It's afraid because
Speaker 1: like because they don't know these stories. So it's either
Speaker 1: they're waiting for a Latinox creator to come and bring
Speaker 1: it or still it. You know what we're saying, Like
Speaker 1: all the way funky. You know, as I get older,
Speaker 1: get a road in age. You know, something you know
Speaker 1: I see among a lot of my you know, ethno
Speaker 1: peers is their relationship with their ethnicity. And you know,
Speaker 1: my mom's from Louisiana, my dad's from Nigeria, and you know,
Speaker 1: my dad gives me what it gives me. But like
Speaker 1: you know, the way I grew up, I was never
Speaker 1: surrounded by a lot of other Nigerians. Like you know,
Speaker 1: we went to the association meetings board out of your mind.
Speaker 1: You gotta break it down. Association. So Nanginian is like
Speaker 1: to meet in big organizations men and women. They call
Speaker 1: associations associations with this so we're very You could be
Speaker 1: three years old and you know how to conduct a
Speaker 1: meeting because you like in no corporate meetings, nothing compared
Speaker 1: to what I have to sit through. You know. Let's
Speaker 1: we've been talking about Afro anime and there are certain
Speaker 1: things that stuck out to people as Afro anime. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's something we talked about during the
Speaker 1: break that I want to hear you display for all
Speaker 1: the listeners. But also why I think that's a good
Speaker 1: thing because you almost said it like it was negative,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a good thing. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Afro Samurai and the Boondocks, which are like
Speaker 1: the two I think closest things people will think of
Speaker 1: if they're like Afro Animates, no doubt. Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: That's the problem if you google, if you google it,
Speaker 1: but real quick, I will start by saying the good Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll start by saying the good. Um. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Aaron McGruder. I don't think he realizes what it meant
Speaker 1: to young black kids who had a newspaper in their
Speaker 1: hand and will go to the comics section and see representation.
Speaker 1: Can we just take I'm gonna just take two seconds
Speaker 1: to really land on that, because you are so right.
Speaker 1: I would because I would run into the Sunday Funnies
Speaker 1: and you know, first we had that one. For better
Speaker 1: or worse I think it was. And shout out to
Speaker 1: him too. I'm not gonna talk, but when I saw
Speaker 1: boon Docks, that changed my life because not only was
Speaker 1: it the black Man, but it also had an anime
Speaker 1: style to it. So I was like, I'm in because
Speaker 1: you know, really truly like too, because before that, like Animates,
Speaker 1: me was just you know your dbcs. You show Tinchi
Speaker 1: Muio so to see like an Afro done in an
Speaker 1: anime style. It just opened my eyes to a new world.
Speaker 1: So yes, your I totally know, Like that is the
Speaker 1: good of being Like, oh you change my world. That's
Speaker 1: the best thing I'm gonna say. And then that can
Speaker 1: I start so here you is? So first of all,
Speaker 1: to start with boondogs now, I mean, and I do
Speaker 1: this with African futurism. Now, if you represent just the continent,
Speaker 1: you actually represent the largest amount of black people in
Speaker 1: the world period. So that representation is actually small by buondos,
Speaker 1: actually does not represent the Dia spore. Like if you
Speaker 1: would actually start from continent with perspective just by numbers, game,
Speaker 1: yeah that's number one. Number two is like boom Docks
Speaker 1: had this thing where like like what's that? What's that? One?
Speaker 1: Um dude with the like like like why would I
Speaker 1: create a character give life to an imaginary character that
Speaker 1: hates on his own people? I can't do it? Like no,
Speaker 1: this is very important, Like you got to understand the
Speaker 1: power of media. Yeah, you gotta understand the power of media.
Speaker 1: This already is in our community. It's already there. Now
Speaker 1: we have a name for them. And my my take
Speaker 1: on that is that because you it would do a
Speaker 1: disservice for what Boon Docks was doing, because yeah, we
Speaker 1: created Uncle ruck Is, but we still have Sheriff Clark
Speaker 1: out there. We still got what what about the Ben Carson?
Speaker 1: No this this just hurts to say because he's my man.
Speaker 1: But like right now in this yeah, you know we
Speaker 1: have those. So like I think that put like a
Speaker 1: word because there is this idea it of like you know,
Speaker 1: I know there's this idea that like, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like it is something to like he was speaking
Speaker 1: to like this type of person that we always see.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because like Boondocks is like specific,
Speaker 1: but I think that still drives home your point that
Speaker 1: it's only covering the small aspect of it. I'm the biggest, biggest, biggest.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I want to say I say,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say. I guess proponent, but I guess,
Speaker 1: like I say this a lot where there's truth to
Speaker 1: let that media you're controlling, and there was a point where,
Speaker 1: like you know, you did have certain folks you know, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think I need to say which folks who
Speaker 1: would take that character and really like him for the
Speaker 1: wrong reasons. Yeah, yeah, it's that Dave Chappelle off camera left. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, So, so, like I that is extremely valid,
Speaker 1: But that was the main thing, like you said, like
Speaker 1: you have characters that can easily become these like caricatures.
Speaker 1: It got really hyper and like that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you had your Hui, but he was
Speaker 1: dipped in Japanese philosophy, you know, Like it was like
Speaker 1: I couldn't like those things, like like we're again having
Speaker 1: this one individual of African descent fully involved in Japan
Speaker 1: full like as if we eables your boss, Uh, how
Speaker 1: about something, how some massaia you can keep going who
Speaker 1: don't have traditions that are really powerful that can help
Speaker 1: you navigate the streets of whatever. And then so a
Speaker 1: lot of those things like they kind of show this
Speaker 1: kind of depiction that to me was very much, very
Speaker 1: close to what's that dude media type individual. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: put that in the and I put in the same
Speaker 1: class because that's the thing is like like the frow
Speaker 1: like like that's it. And and the corn Rows, Like
Speaker 1: there's some just like literally with African futurism and all
Speaker 1: these like what we're trying to do in independent creators
Speaker 1: are trying to do. It's like even hair. Hair is
Speaker 1: the most political thing that literally we have so many
Speaker 1: different styles. Now whenever we try to have a character
Speaker 1: draw draw one of our characters, they draw Kiwe remember
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, there was just to kind of take
Speaker 1: you back when earlier when I talked about how everyone
Speaker 1: had to go through Obie's regiment of reading African literature.
Speaker 1: We had to deconstruct a lot of our artists, a
Speaker 1: lot of our artists who we worked with, you know,
Speaker 1: they were taught Western styles, maybe Japanese styles, so when
Speaker 1: we brought them to an African story, they would bring
Speaker 1: that with them and we had to literally break that
Speaker 1: because there would be a situation where there's a full
Speaker 1: description of how this character is supposed to look, and
Speaker 1: the artists would come back with this random, uh stock
Speaker 1: African mask, not even African masks, like a tiki mask
Speaker 1: on the arm, and then some Hughey type hair and
Speaker 1: we're like and no shirt, Like wait, that's where did
Speaker 1: you get this from? And they're like, oh, this is like,
Speaker 1: it's an African character, Like did you read the description?
Speaker 1: And then with one of our other characters, we had
Speaker 1: to actually stop one of our artists because we realized
Speaker 1: every scene the character was getting lighter and lighter and lighter,
Speaker 1: to the point where I was like, whoa, bro, what
Speaker 1: is what is going on? And he was like, oh um,
Speaker 1: I don't don't. He couldn't even answer me. He didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't even realize what was just and like what
Speaker 1: was internal? Well, yeah, that's totally systematic, and you see
Speaker 1: it all the docks is part of that system that
Speaker 1: sime and even depiction of black women. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: that Bundogs like like Bundogs is not is not it?
Speaker 1: In terms of like I'm being real, like, like, is
Speaker 1: there any depictions of black women that y'all that y'all
Speaker 1: could like vibe with in Budogs? I have to go
Speaker 1: exactly exactly exactly, you ain't gonna get me before I
Speaker 1: look at I do want to say we've we I mean,
Speaker 1: if he and I have had these conversations that unfortunately
Speaker 1: also a lot of times, when you are the first,
Speaker 1: you bear the weight of your entire community. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing is that And here's one where I'm going
Speaker 1: to come in for aaron, just for a bit. We
Speaker 1: are blessed that we we we and we have to
Speaker 1: admit that the three Nigerian sitting at the table, knowing
Speaker 1: like our culture where we from all those things, we
Speaker 1: have to remember that a lot of African Americans aren't
Speaker 1: blessed with that information, and so they have to go
Speaker 1: off of what they grew up doing. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why it's Afros and uh and I think it's
Speaker 1: corn rows and I think like the the the caricature
Speaker 1: nous of it, that whole show is talking very specific
Speaker 1: and I think you're right in due time, especially now
Speaker 1: if you look at that compared to what we see
Speaker 1: in Black Panther, the the diversity in only clothing. Like
Speaker 1: I almost wept when I saw for the first time
Speaker 1: on the big screen the clothes we see growing up
Speaker 1: display that being said, Riley is a specific black person.
Speaker 1: Pewee is a very specific Black verson, even who Cedric
Speaker 1: yarbrowers character uh the like whitewash black Tea. It is
Speaker 1: a show of yeah, I mean and right there in
Speaker 1: the name, it is a show of caricatures. And I
Speaker 1: think that was and I think the I think it
Speaker 1: wasn't for us in the sense of like, like, I
Speaker 1: guess we should have mentioned that this is a spoiler.
Speaker 1: This is going to be spoiler heavy for a Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones if you haven't seen it. It's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to tackle the series as we go into season
Speaker 1: by season without spoiling something. So if that does bother
Speaker 1: you and you're planning to, I don't know, catch it
Speaker 1: and binge it before it comes out this weekend, you
Speaker 1: might wanna take a not a nightcap. You might want
Speaker 1: a nightcap and also rain check. That's the word I
Speaker 1: was looking for. If you're going back to what you
Speaker 1: were saying about having that more mass appeal, I think
Speaker 1: the fact that it is so grounded in kind of
Speaker 1: reality and the politics of it all is what brings
Speaker 1: in your mainstream viewing public, because I think if they
Speaker 1: saw magic and dragons and all that right from the beginning,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't believe it, Whereas now they're all pready invested
Speaker 1: in the reality of that world, so they're more apt
Speaker 1: to believe, oh crap, there's dragons, you know. That's that's
Speaker 1: a good point because there are like I have talked
Speaker 1: to friends who are trying to get their friends into
Speaker 1: the show now, and it's kind of being that same argument.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, you mean the Dragon Show. And I
Speaker 1: was like to call it the Dragon show when we
Speaker 1: have waited and worked so hard to to to get
Speaker 1: to the dragons. It's like that is true. Well, and
Speaker 1: you know, right before so if we're talking about the
Speaker 1: show right before Game of Thrones, that slot was True
Speaker 1: Blood and I grew up like I was watching True Blood,
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, vampires, a lot of sex. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: how they got people in. I mean, wow, wow, first episode. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is how much of a hyper nerd. I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, you get to see rogues boobs. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I agree because so I remember like every oh yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone in my family watched it. I remember like my
Speaker 1: I would go over and watch it with my cousin
Speaker 1: and her husband and it was like, so, I don't know,
Speaker 1: so raunchy, but like they weren't into sci fi fantasy
Speaker 1: and that type of stuff, like that type of lure.
Speaker 1: And I think because they kind of made it like
Speaker 1: oh no, it's kind of like a soap opera slash
Speaker 1: drama slash just skinn of max essentially is what helps
Speaker 1: get it get it in, and truple had actually comes
Speaker 1: down a bit after that first season. That first season
Speaker 1: is but it got hello magical, but women come yea,
Speaker 1: the sex came down, and then it was like fairies
Speaker 1: and all that. You know, any of those Sukie Stackhouse books,
Speaker 1: so very similar to the Game of Thrones. The books
Speaker 1: are like those books are like you know, you're they're
Speaker 1: very lots of sex scenes, very very into it. Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite shades of it wasn't quite there, but
Speaker 1: it definitely was like the book club was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna read about this type of stuff. And I
Speaker 1: only knew about it because I was funny enough. True
Speaker 1: Blood was deep into my headspace because the person I
Speaker 1: was dating at the time was a big fan of
Speaker 1: the Sukie Stackhouse books, big fan, and you know, she
Speaker 1: was from Utah, so you know, that was real spicy
Speaker 1: out there. They're like, hold up, hold up, We're getting
Speaker 1: getting a little taste there. So yeah, that's and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: the same thing where you just ground it in enough
Speaker 1: reality and kind of almost in the same way the
Speaker 1: m CU kind of pulls in regular people where you
Speaker 1: just kind of find that other genre. So there is
Speaker 1: this at its core if you eject all of the magic.
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones is a show about politics, and I
Speaker 1: think True Blood was about kind of like a soap
Speaker 1: opera that but like that, I don't. I hate using
Speaker 1: the term because we kind of I want to say,
Speaker 1: like high soap soap opera, because there are like soap
Speaker 1: opera s shows that seem more mainstream than actual soap operas.
Speaker 1: But I think it's you just call it soap opera
Speaker 1: because you know the new thing that was saying with
Speaker 1: movies like Hereditary and and Us, should there be a
Speaker 1: term called elevated horrors? Like no, it's horror. It's the
Speaker 1: same horror. Just because you feel smarter doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: have to char and alienate people when you like it.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was against calling it like high
Speaker 1: soap opera, but like, yeah, that's soap opera. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: you're right, Danny, that that show ended, and it left
Speaker 1: the people that watched True Blood with horn am I
Speaker 1: going to do on Sunday nights? I was one of
Speaker 1: those people. I mean, I watched True Blood to the
Speaker 1: end even though I was like, this show is not
Speaker 1: good anymore, and I don't care. I'm still watching it,
Speaker 1: And yeah, then what am I going to do with
Speaker 1: my Sunday nights boom game of Throat? So moving on
Speaker 1: to season three, pretty brutal, pretty brutal, you know, just
Speaker 1: the Red Wedding, No big deal. So yeah, Season three
Speaker 1: brings the Red Wedding, which I think was another moment
Speaker 1: for people, like Ned's execution, where you're like, oh man,
Speaker 1: they can totally slaughter all the guys and wherever I
Speaker 1: thought this story was going, yes it's not. Oh boy.
Speaker 1: That was one of the most there's nothing better than
Speaker 1: your book smugness, you know when when that because like
Speaker 1: everyone who read the book knew it was coming, and
Speaker 1: so like when people were freaking out over like Nettos,
Speaker 1: you ain't even ready, You ain't even right because even
Speaker 1: in the book it's so it really I didn't I'd
Speaker 1: never watch Red reading. I only read it. Reading it,
Speaker 1: it really sets you up. You really think, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the moment they're coming together, We're about the Vultron
Speaker 1: and take over and everything just goes south. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I imagine the show set the same thing up, especially
Speaker 1: because once again, the I think the popularity of Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones is it subverts our expectation of how heroes
Speaker 1: fight villains and how it's supposed to work, and the
Speaker 1: Red Wedding is one of the biggest brutal. I think
Speaker 1: it's so cool though, that that will ever be in
Speaker 1: pop culture history, right, wedding even if you're not a
Speaker 1: game of throat, Like you know what it's from and
Speaker 1: you know what it stands for, like what it means.
Speaker 1: I just think that's so cool to have like forever
Speaker 1: altered film and media or like media history. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Red Wedding is a big freaking deal, and I do
Speaker 1: think that it hit all the show hatchers by sermon.
Speaker 1: It was super fun to because how many people was like,
Speaker 1: I'm never watching, like you ever watching again. I was
Speaker 1: actually watching it with Meg Tourney, who I don't know
Speaker 1: if either of you know Meg, but she was one
Speaker 1: of my old co hosts on Source fed Nerd, and
Speaker 1: she hadn't read the books and I had, and so
Speaker 1: we're watching it and she's like on her phone and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, hey, pay attention right now, pay attention.
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to see this. And I wish that
Speaker 1: I had figured reaction because she lost her mind. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's that's how every was. And I giggled
Speaker 1: like a fool watching people's reactions online because well, because
Speaker 1: I went through it too, I went through years earlier
Speaker 1: when I read it. In the books, there is always
Speaker 1: something too, of like reading something shocking because you're like,
Speaker 1: h turn page. Oh my god, what turn the page.
Speaker 1: What is this? I remember reading it when I was
Speaker 1: on lunch break from a job and I was like
Speaker 1: almost at the end of my thirty minutes, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, I must keep reading. Not done yet.
Speaker 1: And I really want to touch on what Danny said,
Speaker 1: because I think that is true. That is such a
Speaker 1: big moment, and it's something that when you can have
Speaker 1: one phrase or one word that will let everyone know,
Speaker 1: like people who probably don't even watch Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: know what the Red Wedding was because it just blew
Speaker 1: up the internet, so everyone had to find out what
Speaker 1: this thing was. Uh, And moments like that are interesting
Speaker 1: because like I never watched the Star Wars trilogy growing up.
Speaker 1: I just you know, that just wasn't nothing. My dad
Speaker 1: showed me because he never cared about it. And I
Speaker 1: watched it maybe five or six years ago and It
Speaker 1: was interesting watching the movie knowing everything that was gonna
Speaker 1: I knew that Darth Vader was Luke's father. I knew that,
Speaker 1: but to watch it play out it was cool to
Speaker 1: even see things where I was like, oh, that's where
Speaker 1: that's from. Yeah, that is cool. That's super cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of theories and what some
Speaker 1: people have as expectations for what this season could entail.
Speaker 1: Do either of you have any theories or guesses of
Speaker 1: what you you think John's taking it all and I
Speaker 1: think John's taking it all and it's going to reset
Speaker 1: or we're gonna have one huge apocalyptic event. And my
Speaker 1: big hail Mary is that Brand's gonna go back in
Speaker 1: time and Ned starts going to say, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go to King's Landing and nothing. What They're
Speaker 1: going to be able to defend it because Ned, because
Speaker 1: remember Ned believed in protecting the Wall, so they'll they'll
Speaker 1: defend it because Ned will send the required forces. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna reset everything where it's just gonna be like
Speaker 1: you remember what was that one? I forget? It was
Speaker 1: a horror movie where like every time you made her
Speaker 1: wish it would go bad and then like you were
Speaker 1: tortured in the end of the movie where she was like,
Speaker 1: I wish that one driver wasn't drunk on the job
Speaker 1: and nothing ever happened there you go. I mean, we
Speaker 1: could have something like that. There's a big theory that
Speaker 1: Brand is actually the Night King because he tries to
Speaker 1: go back in time to be the guy that is
Speaker 1: the guy that's turned into the Night King um and
Speaker 1: then get stuck in that body and turn into the
Speaker 1: Night King. So there's two brands coexisting simultaneously. But we
Speaker 1: have no reason to believe that two brands can coexist simultaneously,
Speaker 1: which is kind of the debunk for that theory, if
Speaker 1: you will. But there's a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: Brand is the Night King camp or that Brand is
Speaker 1: going to become the Night King, because why is the
Speaker 1: Night King so intent on killing the Three Eyed Raven?
Speaker 1: We don't know. I just don't want anything to happen
Speaker 1: to Danny. I feel very connected to her as we
Speaker 1: share the same name, and I played her in a
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones roast at Meltdown, which I think might
Speaker 1: be up on YouTube somewhere. I hope you're enjoying these
Speaker 1: dope apps. But even when it's a flashback clip episode.
Speaker 1: We still need to pause for a break, so we'll
Speaker 1: see when we get back. All right, welcome back to
Speaker 1: the best of Nerdificent, Part one. I hope you're enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the hits and can you describe what? Yes? Okay? Um,
Speaker 1: So Hector actually has flash cards like trading cards, trading
Speaker 1: cards of every character. I kid you, not every character
Speaker 1: that has ever appeared in the m c U, including
Speaker 1: side people that got killed in three seconds. Um, they're
Speaker 1: all here and he is placing them all out right
Speaker 1: now on our large desk. Um, so this is we
Speaker 1: have the ancient one I'm trying to look for, like
Speaker 1: a in the Alexander here's deceased. Oh yeah, and he
Speaker 1: has decimated next to Peter Parker. Um, that is that
Speaker 1: what we're calling the dustin. That's what Marvel's calling it
Speaker 1: is the decimation. Okay, Well, let's take a quick second
Speaker 1: before we jump into this. There's two things I want
Speaker 1: to do. First. Up top. You might be listening as wondering,
Speaker 1: is this like another recap. It's like no, this is
Speaker 1: more of a hype episode as of right now. This
Speaker 1: Friday question Mark, Well, I will as you're listening to this.
Speaker 1: I saw it last night at the premiere in case
Speaker 1: I died, and this is the last recording of my
Speaker 1: voice I did. I did die out on top. So
Speaker 1: as of right now, this Friday end game is coming
Speaker 1: out and this is just us kind of talking about
Speaker 1: our favorite moments. Really just a hype episode, as you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need a structure to everything. That's
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's that's what what fascist want, uh true,
Speaker 1: this is just a pure hype episode and also just
Speaker 1: to catch up and what better way, this is the
Speaker 1: perfect way to book in the last episode, we did
Speaker 1: what we did, run through each m c U. However,
Speaker 1: there were two movies that happened between the last episode
Speaker 1: we have You and now, so before we even jump
Speaker 1: into our favorite moments, let's kind of talk about what
Speaker 1: happened and how we felt about them. Because because because
Speaker 1: because we're counting Infinity War too, because we didn't guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about it, so three movies between that.
Speaker 1: So after our episode, Infinity War came out and that
Speaker 1: this was It's funny because I feel like everyone at
Speaker 1: this table had strong emotions about it. I were we
Speaker 1: in the Did we watch it together, Danny, I think
Speaker 1: we watched it together. Yeah, yeah, you watched it before
Speaker 1: me and then again with I feel like I invited
Speaker 1: I have invited you to like every premiere, but you
Speaker 1: were you like had rooms you were writing it. YEA, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I was busy. I'm not I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to blast you or anything. I was just
Speaker 1: as asking. So I remember that movie was a wild ride.
Speaker 1: That the Infinity War was the morning I think about.
Speaker 1: It was such a wild ride and everything it introduced.
Speaker 1: I feel like it did flawlessly, and just the ending,
Speaker 1: even though you kind of felt something like that, like
Speaker 1: I didn't know the decimation was gonna happen, but I
Speaker 1: knew something that would be such a huge cliffhanger since
Speaker 1: they was gonna be two parts was gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: it happened, and even the way it happened kind of
Speaker 1: just shook everything up because they really did get us.
Speaker 1: They hit us with the debate there, because you get
Speaker 1: Fanos getting axed and we're like, oh, we actually did
Speaker 1: do it or did it yeah? And then it was
Speaker 1: like gotcha snappy snap. It was Um. That movie is
Speaker 1: amazing and it's such a fun like and then at
Speaker 1: the end gets depressing, but it's still such a fun ride,
Speaker 1: is how you put it. I think it's a perfect
Speaker 1: way to describe it, if because it's just like it's
Speaker 1: just a huge victory lab form Marvel. It's just them
Speaker 1: going look at ten years of characters that we built
Speaker 1: up that like, you care about a talking raccoon, you
Speaker 1: care about Ok, yeah, you just met her in the
Speaker 1: last movie. You just met and Baku in the last movie.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be stoked to see him show up, you know,
Speaker 1: on the field. And and it was it handled. It
Speaker 1: juggled characters and storylines so well. It carried over tones
Speaker 1: from from previous movies like Thor Ragnock, which you finally
Speaker 1: got around to seeing and you did you dig it
Speaker 1: of course great? So like that that ty y t
Speaker 1: t sort of version of Thor pretty much carried through
Speaker 1: into Infinity War. But it was also still like the
Speaker 1: Mighty like it. Not that Ragnock Thor is any different,
Speaker 1: but this was like that Thor. And then all of
Speaker 1: his family gets killed at the beginning, and now now
Speaker 1: what are the stakes and what does he have to
Speaker 1: deal with um? And it was, um, it was mind blowing,
Speaker 1: and then easily became my favorite movie in the franchise
Speaker 1: thus far. Again, I don't think it's the best one.
Speaker 1: But you have to judge these movies on a couple
Speaker 1: of different things, and one of the things you cannot
Speaker 1: ignore is like they're all building on one another. They're
Speaker 1: able to do a thing that not a lot of
Speaker 1: movie franchise is barely any in fact, are able to
Speaker 1: pull off so flawlessly, and even though they have flaws,
Speaker 1: they correct, the course, correct and they just kind of
Speaker 1: keep going. So that yeah, Infinity War is not a
Speaker 1: normal movie. It is a movie that takes place after
Speaker 1: ten years of building one or two or three movies
Speaker 1: a year about audio media on on YouTube, I'm holding
Speaker 1: up a picture of Carol Dann also made a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: A billion dollars. Hector has been punctuating his statements with
Speaker 1: characters that it's not about you, and I held up
Speaker 1: a picture of the ancient one from that no one
Speaker 1: saw it, but yeah, no, this is let's yeah, we
Speaker 1: have one more movie. Homely mom. I was I loved
Speaker 1: it so cool much. I mean, everyone had like certain gripes,
Speaker 1: but there are certain things that made me love it
Speaker 1: so much, Like that moment at the end, I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point, you know we're in sport. Look listen
Speaker 1: where she stands out the moment, which where I think
Speaker 1: the moment after that when that guys like all right
Speaker 1: Mona LiMnO, which is such a classic movie trope, and
Speaker 1: her just blasting him, I'm like, thank you, because every
Speaker 1: time that had in the movie, I just want that
Speaker 1: to happen, and also for it to also have this
Speaker 1: meaning because you know that that was like a spoiler
Speaker 1: that was just definitely mirroring all this, all those like
Speaker 1: all right, guys to AOC's talking about debate me, It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I have nothing to prove to you. I'm in office,
Speaker 1: you're a TV talking head. What what do I get
Speaker 1: out of debating you. I think it's pretty cool to
Speaker 1: see a big movie, superheran movie like this. The past
Speaker 1: couple of movies have provided me with some of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies and favorite moments. Um. I've been rewatching stuff
Speaker 1: like Thor Ragnarok, Black Panther, like these movies are really
Speaker 1: I'm like loving more and more and more. And Captain
Speaker 1: Marvel is going to be one of those where I
Speaker 1: think it's a big deal that we saw a woman
Speaker 1: actually say that in a movie like this, this genre,
Speaker 1: to go, I have nothing to prove to you. To
Speaker 1: say that to a man. That might not be a
Speaker 1: big deal to a lot of dudes, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a big deal to a lot
Speaker 1: of young women to see that, to go, oh, I
Speaker 1: can just say that great. So my biggest issue was
Speaker 1: people comparing it to Wonder Woman. I'm like, they are
Speaker 1: literally not the same at all. They don't have the
Speaker 1: same origin story, they don't have the same like characters,
Speaker 1: Like they're not even from one. Wonder Woman was a
Speaker 1: period piece in my opinion, it was a war movie.
Speaker 1: It's like, not the same at all. And Kevin Faiki said, no,
Speaker 1: we're going to go in with her already with Captain
Speaker 1: Marvel already having her powers, and like it just it
Speaker 1: was so I'm like, that actually shows me that you're
Speaker 1: not as well versed in comics. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: compare to randomly just because they're women, that's the only
Speaker 1: thing you have to compare it. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's a it's a frequent thing um people that are
Speaker 1: upset that the status quo is being challenged. Whether they
Speaker 1: know it or not, they subconsciously do that. They'll pick
Speaker 1: a thing against another thing. I'm a big trekky and
Speaker 1: every time I talk about how I'm really enjoying Star
Speaker 1: Trek Discovery, then you show people always jump in and
Speaker 1: let me know, a it's not as good as The Orville,
Speaker 1: And I'm going, well, then do you really like the Orville?
Speaker 1: Are you really learning lessons on like how to be
Speaker 1: a better person from shows like that or are you
Speaker 1: just trying to dunk on my thing, you know, and
Speaker 1: make yourself feel better about your thing, like by pitting
Speaker 1: two against each other when you don't really have to
Speaker 1: do that. When the new Star Trek show was announced
Speaker 1: and it was going to have a black female lead,
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people online go, yeah, well
Speaker 1: Deep Space nine did it, and I'm like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago. We're not done, you know, making
Speaker 1: movies with black leads or making shows with black lead
Speaker 1: just because they did it and it were premiered in
Speaker 1: like Blade movies are done. Blade movies are great, and
Speaker 1: we should give credit to Blade for being the sort
Speaker 1: of the movie that really jump started Hollywood going let's
Speaker 1: make a bunch of superhero comic book movies. But Blade
Speaker 1: is not on my table right now, and that's a problem.
Speaker 1: So we need a new Blade, Like we're not done
Speaker 1: with black superhero characters just because three Blade movies were made.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it was just like their Carol
Speaker 1: and Diana could not be more different, so to even
Speaker 1: their films shouldn't feel the same period. Their films shouldn't
Speaker 1: be the same. They're not the same character, and they don't.
Speaker 1: They only think the only thing that's the same is
Speaker 1: that they're both the first female character of a respective word.
Speaker 1: That's their thing. But it's like annoying to me that
Speaker 1: one had to be better than the other and all
Speaker 1: these conversations. So the same thing happened with She'sam because
Speaker 1: you know, she Zam used to be Captain Marvel. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like she's a better I like Captain Marvel better.
Speaker 1: It's like, shut up. I'm very happy that they that
Speaker 1: they both exist. I'm happy if they both exist, but
Speaker 1: that they all cheered each other on, like Gal Gadote
Speaker 1: cheered on um, Bree Larson like tweeted about it. You know,
Speaker 1: Brie Larson like cheered on Zachary Levi Zachary Levi cheered
Speaker 1: on Brie Larson, like, they're adults that are making a
Speaker 1: lot of money too, so they don't actually care about
Speaker 1: all of your growth. Yep. I like the bread crumbs,
Speaker 1: but a whole different set of breadcrumbs, because I sniffed
Speaker 1: those Civil War breadcrumbs from the jump, and because you know,
Speaker 1: it was so very similar to what happened in the
Speaker 1: comics Civil War just heroes trying to do some stuff
Speaker 1: causing mass, mass destruction and the government be like yep.
Speaker 1: And one thing I do like about Civil War, both
Speaker 1: in the comics and the movies, is it's the most
Speaker 1: grounded thing to ever happen in comics. Yeah, how long
Speaker 1: would this go down without the government trying to get involved?
Speaker 1: And I think it also flips it on on the
Speaker 1: viewers and the readers because when you on paper, you
Speaker 1: think Cat would be on the side of the government,
Speaker 1: and then it and him not being on the side
Speaker 1: of the government is such a strong message because everyone
Speaker 1: thinks that Cap is this agent of the government. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: he's an agent of good, which means that if the
Speaker 1: government is good, And also the fact that Cap is
Speaker 1: willing to go against the government is the most American
Speaker 1: thing he can do. And I think people often forget that.
Speaker 1: I feel like in the grand scope idea, Yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: thinks that, you know, patriotism is being subservient to whoever's
Speaker 1: in power in the government, and that is not the case.
Speaker 1: We were. We were built on, you know, defiance. So
Speaker 1: like the fact that it's like, no, this isn't right,
Speaker 1: this is not this is this is not good. I
Speaker 1: have to stand against it. And someone like Tony who
Speaker 1: has always been like the opposite where he doesn't like control,
Speaker 1: he doesn't like he is on the side of government
Speaker 1: because he's the status quo. Yeah, it's such a beautiful
Speaker 1: just even when he goes against the status quo, which
Speaker 1: is the first Iron like the beginning of him being
Speaker 1: Iron Man, where he's like, no, the suit and I
Speaker 1: are one. It's me. I don't trust anybody with my
Speaker 1: weapons except for me, he still has this mentality of like, well,
Speaker 1: how can I change the He's not trying to affect
Speaker 1: the status quo, he's just sort of controlling it on
Speaker 1: his own by you know, by his own means, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like and and in this movie,
Speaker 1: we can just skip aunt Man real quick. This is
Speaker 1: a great film. Aunt Man introduces us to Luise. But
Speaker 1: my favorite moment and aunt Man is where at the
Speaker 1: end of the film he goes, I love you, Cassie
Speaker 1: and then shrinks into the micro verse to kill the
Speaker 1: villain Yellow Jacket, or to destroy him, because then he
Speaker 1: gets trapped in that cool little crazy dimension he has
Speaker 1: to come back. Great little moment, but a little moment
Speaker 1: of self sacrifice from Scott Lang. But back the Civil War. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say my question, because Civil War
Speaker 1: the comics came out in like two thousand six. I
Speaker 1: believe Um and Incredibles came out in two thousand four,
Speaker 1: and you're a big brad bird person, and I feel
Speaker 1: like those have similar It's kind of fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: like the government stepping in and saying, you superheroes are
Speaker 1: actually causing more harm than good. No more supers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no more super That's also an idea from Watchman Alan
Speaker 1: Moore's six like and I think even in some Marvel,
Speaker 1: in some DC comics, even before Watchman, they sort of
Speaker 1: hinted at and explored at certain stuff. I know that
Speaker 1: maybe it was in the eighties two, but it was
Speaker 1: a superhero group in d C comics in World War
Speaker 1: Two active during World War Two, called the Justice Society
Speaker 1: of America. And then they revealed later that during the fifties,
Speaker 1: McCarthy is m forced them to hang up their cape
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to reveal their secret identities. And
Speaker 1: they were but you know, are you are you Commies?
Speaker 1: Are you Reds? And they're like, you know what this is?
Speaker 1: BS Like, we're gonna We're not gonna work for the government,
Speaker 1: We're gonna retire from being superheroes. So that so that
Speaker 1: idea has kind of been floating around. But really the Incredibles,
Speaker 1: you know, did a great job of mainstreaming it. And
Speaker 1: Civil War the movie is different but similar in spirit
Speaker 1: to the comic book, right, the details are different, the
Speaker 1: details are different. Yeah, Infinity War. I loved all the humor.
Speaker 1: I've said this before, you know, I understand that it
Speaker 1: was upsetting slash traumatic, slash sad for people, but I
Speaker 1: will aught so much through this film that how did
Speaker 1: you react to the end though? Do you remember when
Speaker 1: Fanos did it and then people started to disappear? Were
Speaker 1: you laughing still laughing when when died? I laughed? Okay, listen.
Speaker 1: The worst I didn't laugh listen. I was giggling a
Speaker 1: tiny bit at the person in front of me who
Speaker 1: was freaking out about it happening. And I understand, but
Speaker 1: I just knew it would be okay. Come on, like
Speaker 1: like we know a lot of these characters. I'm more
Speaker 1: concerned with the with endgames. You couldn't let yourself you
Speaker 1: get taken away by those storytelling. I was. I was there,
Speaker 1: but it was a little I wasn't laughing, No, I was.
Speaker 1: I felt for them. The biggest part was Rocket and Groot.
Speaker 1: That was That was the last thing he said, was right.
Speaker 1: The last thing he said was was he said, I
Speaker 1: am group, but you know what that was supposed to have?
Speaker 1: Wait what was it, dad? Oh yes, Oh that's rough.
Speaker 1: Got me. That one was really hard, and of course everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody felt like, I don't want to go.
Speaker 1: It was sad that what I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: he's coming back for summer pictures. But um, okay, it
Speaker 1: was I I get it. I totally get it. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I loved it. It It was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite Marvel films of all time. I'm not It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to look I'm a Dragon Ball fan. We
Speaker 1: got our we get our heroes wish back all the time,
Speaker 1: so like, it's hard for me to feel those deaths.
Speaker 1: You were sitting there like they're like, did you need
Speaker 1: to collect the balls? And listen, Disney bought Fox, so
Speaker 1: just put the dragon Balls in there. I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a hard time because I didn't cry. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: totally see what you're where you're coming from, because we are,
Speaker 1: we're tapped in, We're aware of what's going to well.
Speaker 1: They literally said part on what the contract was part one,
Speaker 1: And even when in Finnity gaunt Let the comic book
Speaker 1: came out, it was only like a month or two
Speaker 1: weight before everybody got brought back after Thanos actually snapped it.
Speaker 1: This is impressive because it's actually a year like and
Speaker 1: it's it might not be three years again like Empire
Speaker 1: Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi, but but for
Speaker 1: a movie this size, this scale of the scope, I
Speaker 1: will say this. I think that the Infinity Gauntlet Saga,
Speaker 1: the Infinity War movie going into Endgame is going to
Speaker 1: be something that people watch five years from now as
Speaker 1: they're doing their rewatches, or they go back and revisit it,
Speaker 1: or they're gonna show their kids for the first time.
Speaker 1: And when you see Endgame in that context where you're
Speaker 1: just gonna be sitting down and it happened, you know, five, six,
Speaker 1: eight years ago, and you rewatch Endgame or you rewatch
Speaker 1: Infinity War and at the end, everybody snaps. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, dang, I know I'm about to pop in
Speaker 1: the next movie and it'll be fine, But dang, my
Speaker 1: kid doesn't know that it's gonna be like, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's It's the same way people now will watch The
Speaker 1: Empire strikes Back and Han Solo gets frozen, and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, We're like, oh, I see what
Speaker 1: you mean. It'll it will. It will have a different
Speaker 1: meaning and feel and impact when you go back and
Speaker 1: revisit it and what it says in the larger scheme
Speaker 1: of things. And I also think that it will when
Speaker 1: you go back and reflect. Depending on how Endgame is
Speaker 1: gonna shake out, it's gonna be sadder because Endgames not
Speaker 1: about well, we gotta get everybody back, and about the
Speaker 1: rest of the characters and how they're coping and so
Speaker 1: and we haven't seen that movie yet, but actually you have,
Speaker 1: you at the premiere last night, so you saw it.
Speaker 1: But the end game is about the future. It's in
Speaker 1: the future. I want you to know, as I'm recording this,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, so I can't technically spoil anything,
Speaker 1: so please don't get mad at me because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it as of this recording right now at this moment.
Speaker 1: But um, I think I think it will actually be
Speaker 1: sadder because because I don't think some of these characters
Speaker 1: are going to survive. So I think that that will
Speaker 1: be that will be difficult to see even if they
Speaker 1: are brought back, maybe they don't make it or some
Speaker 1: of the ones that did survive don't make it. And
Speaker 1: I think this might be like one of our This
Speaker 1: would be like one of our final films with us
Speaker 1: and essentially go Mora died, he got his next snap
Speaker 1: behind all. Yeah, a bunch of as Guardians like they're gone.
Speaker 1: They We're not dusted. One thing I will say, probably
Speaker 1: the last thing I will say, is the coolest thing
Speaker 1: about finally seeing the trailer that it was like the
Speaker 1: one that I saw was when they were like just
Speaker 1: get all the Infinity Stones, Like that was what was
Speaker 1: crazy because it's like, yeah, that is the solution. That's
Speaker 1: always been the solution. You gotta go find them and
Speaker 1: then you connect them, just like you got to find
Speaker 1: all the dragon balls, you know, like you gotta go,
Speaker 1: you find them, and you bring them back. So I'm
Speaker 1: super excited to see because if it is the fact
Speaker 1: that everyone's gonna go and literally find all of the infinities,
Speaker 1: that we're probably gonna see so many different worlds, so
Speaker 1: many different things. So it's gonna be a wild ride.
Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying these dope apps. But even when
Speaker 1: it's a flashback clip episode, we still need to pause
Speaker 1: for a break, so we'll see when we get back.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the best of Nerdifficent Part one.
Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying it. Let's get back to the hits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we have a many times have you have you
Speaker 1: seen it once now or I have seen it once?
Speaker 1: But it was a lasting experience and I haven't talked
Speaker 1: about I haven't stopped talking about it since, like even
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones day, I was still talking about Avengers.
Speaker 1: So I feel good about it. I know it really sat.
Speaker 1: I mean it also sat with me as well. It
Speaker 1: was something that honestly even though it was three hours,
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it not at all, didn't feel like
Speaker 1: three hours. UM. So I guess we could just dive
Speaker 1: right into it. And how did you feel, How did
Speaker 1: you feel about it compared to all the other m
Speaker 1: c U films. So I went back and watched most
Speaker 1: of the m c U films before, and then every
Speaker 1: film that was very specifically inside of this film. I
Speaker 1: watched again afterwards, and I felt, so this movie had
Speaker 1: We're wrapping up so many storylines that it has like
Speaker 1: this very like lovely prominent place, like it's the end
Speaker 1: of like the Great Tony Stark, like um emotional daddy
Speaker 1: drama saga, and then also you get the end of
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel's like sacrificial journey. Um. But in the same
Speaker 1: way that I feel like Ultron left people with a
Speaker 1: lot of questions, this movie left me with a lot
Speaker 1: of questions. However, I will say I rewatched Ulchan and
Speaker 1: I have those questions anymore, because ut is setting up
Speaker 1: questions to be answered later. It's hard to judge a
Speaker 1: series in the middle, like as an end of a chapter,
Speaker 1: you're like so good, Like I feel like we got
Speaker 1: where we needed to be. You know of questions about
Speaker 1: some of the deaths, but overall it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a really solid place to land. Um, we'll
Speaker 1: have to see where they pick up some of the
Speaker 1: strands some of the questions later. It's hard to sort
Speaker 1: of judge the film in a series when you don't
Speaker 1: know how it's going to end. Yeah, for me, it
Speaker 1: was great. I think it did a great job closing
Speaker 1: the book on just kind of the the original MCU crew,
Speaker 1: like you know, Cat, you know, wrap that story, which
Speaker 1: is was beautiful to me as a fan of the
Speaker 1: comics because that doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics,
Speaker 1: Cap just keeps fighting, you never he he never gets
Speaker 1: that back. So for him to be able to get
Speaker 1: that back in the movies was like an extra surprise.
Speaker 1: It didn't see coming. Uh, And I like that man.
Speaker 1: It makes sense for him to rest the decision Captain
Speaker 1: in America to make Iron Man, you know, finally getting
Speaker 1: wrapped up, which you know, was great. I think I
Speaker 1: called that. I said they were both couldn't die. I mean,
Speaker 1: they both didn't die, but they both kind of got wrapped,
Speaker 1: their stories wrapped, and you know, it seems like they're
Speaker 1: gonna kind of bunch thor with the Guardians maybe, which
Speaker 1: is which is the interesting thing? Uh Black Widow Dad,
Speaker 1: I think she's gone. I think they they smoked her.
Speaker 1: The the movie that's on the docket is a prequel,
Speaker 1: like that's so they're just gonna do the prequel. It
Speaker 1: does seem weird to do a prequel, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like a prequel coming after time travel, knowing
Speaker 1: that the zones soul stone is an exchange, and that
Speaker 1: Captain went to place all the stones back exactly where
Speaker 1: they picked them up, she could easily pop back up.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it's necessary, though sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel I sometimes I feel like it's okay too. It's
Speaker 1: like real life. It's okay sometimes to retire or lose
Speaker 1: our heroes that happened in real life. We lose people
Speaker 1: that we care about in real life. And um, it's
Speaker 1: funny that you I know that you wrote for um Playboy.
Speaker 1: I just wrote a thing, a piece for them on
Speaker 1: how Endgame tackles UH failure and mortality and mainly how
Speaker 1: I when I watched this movie, I watched it as
Speaker 1: someone that has depression, seeing how they were put into
Speaker 1: this bleak world where they suddenly found themselves purposeless. They
Speaker 1: suddenly had no purpose anymore. They were so lost and
Speaker 1: didn't didn't know how to Carrey, how do you carry
Speaker 1: on when you feel like you have no more purpose?
Speaker 1: How do you carry on after grief? How do you
Speaker 1: carry on after loss? And so that to me when
Speaker 1: I walked out and everyone's like, how do you like?
Speaker 1: How did you like it? And to me it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it spoke to me from that place
Speaker 1: of it was the most vulnerable I had ever seen them.
Speaker 1: That to me is decide that I that I wanted
Speaker 1: to see And yeah, they've all we've had Lost and
Speaker 1: other and other films, but this was the first time
Speaker 1: where it was really like this might not work out.
Speaker 1: Five year jump is what really kind of screws with
Speaker 1: your head at the beginning, because at first it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're picking up and we're gonna find ho like's nothing.
Speaker 1: That was a great moment, and there were just lots
Speaker 1: of good bread crumbs within all that be like you know,
Speaker 1: Cap saying, how he this is a second loss firm
Speaker 1: because he had that loss, and it really did. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of setups that were great. There was
Speaker 1: something a little heavy handed, like I don't think Tony
Speaker 1: Stark needed to say and don't die in the process.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is, this is but
Speaker 1: but I always say those ones are for the people
Speaker 1: in the back or what's gonna happen. It's like, oh, big,
Speaker 1: big moments if you if you have a daughter, man
Speaker 1: that they really came at you. It was like boom
Speaker 1: right at the top with Scott Lang and his daughters,
Speaker 1: like ouch boom. Then you see I man with his
Speaker 1: daughter's like oh this moment out boom. Then you get
Speaker 1: the moment uh you know Clint when he misses his
Speaker 1: daughter out just back to bed and his daughter on
Speaker 1: you just oh kill me now, like how how how
Speaker 1: do you miss Ita? How do you miss and you
Speaker 1: tore her literally apart like it was crazy. But to
Speaker 1: go back to your earlier point about like the female
Speaker 1: and how like just Gemla Wilson is really that doll
Speaker 1: if you it's probably in appropriate to call her, but
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but she she was awesome. She created
Speaker 1: the eight Fource, which is the all female Marvel team
Speaker 1: Super Dope. She Hulk has a really prominent role in
Speaker 1: a lot of characters that we haven't gotten to in
Speaker 1: the Marvel universe. But seeing these women that we've been
Speaker 1: like traveling with and especially you kind of got like
Speaker 1: a little moment of this in Infinity War with the
Speaker 1: Natalie Ako Nikia fight scene. Um no, Scarlett Witch uh
Speaker 1: fight scene. But here like seeing all like six eight
Speaker 1: of them like just tearing ship down, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: They were wonderful. I would see that moment, like I
Speaker 1: really just want to see the fight over and over again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just that moment we're like Scarlet Witch is
Speaker 1: straight up about to murder. I don't even know who
Speaker 1: you are. Just he was about to die. He was
Speaker 1: about to die until it and but it was so
Speaker 1: funny because like this is where the nerve brain gets
Speaker 1: in my way again, because I'm like, you're still so
Speaker 1: much stronger in the comets. You can literally bit you,
Speaker 1: you can snap without you don't, which is why they
Speaker 1: didn't do it in the movies, because that's that's what
Speaker 1: they do an X men. They make their women too
Speaker 1: powerful and then they have to They're always like, oh man,
Speaker 1: we made them too powerful, we have to kill them off.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the cool thing about the way
Speaker 1: the m C you set up is that we could
Speaker 1: get that snap eventually, like give it like ten to fifteen,
Speaker 1: and they're pissed. I just Scarlet witches. Scarlett Witch. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's at one point, and it eliminates like all of
Speaker 1: everybody with the X GENA. Yeah, she she doesn't even
Speaker 1: she says no more mutants, just speaks the word and
Speaker 1: no more mutants, and almost all of mutants are a
Speaker 1: read It's so good. Read House of Him if you
Speaker 1: haven't read it yet. It leads up to that it's
Speaker 1: so good because it it And that's kind of why,
Speaker 1: like everyone's like, I don't know why you need the
Speaker 1: X Men, uh, but like the stuff like House of
Speaker 1: Him and Avengers versus X Men is you have these
Speaker 1: two super teams, like so far in what we've learned
Speaker 1: in this movie is the Avengers go uncontested, but in
Speaker 1: a world where X Men exists, there's a whole another
Speaker 1: team that if they feel like the Avengers step outline
Speaker 1: could go toe to toe with him. And that's what
Speaker 1: House of m was about. Is Wanda Maximum. She has
Speaker 1: this break from reality and the Angers like, yo, we
Speaker 1: gotta do something about that, and we have to kill
Speaker 1: someone and they're basically having this discussion of whether or
Speaker 1: not to kill her in the X Men or like,
Speaker 1: she's our people, so this is our decision, and they're
Speaker 1: having this fight, and the fight eventually it's it's it's
Speaker 1: very beautiful. It's the rising tensions with that pisses Wanda
Speaker 1: off so much that she's just like you you all
Speaker 1: these problems and everyone's trying to have control over her.
Speaker 1: It's like, like, really looking back on it, it's really
Speaker 1: just a kind of interesting look, like she's just tired
Speaker 1: of all these like people in her life trying to
Speaker 1: tell her what to do, and she's like, no more
Speaker 1: mutants and people lose their powers. I want to say
Speaker 1: it was so I think. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that they're going to introduce new characters. And then
Speaker 1: when I saw the roster, like when that final scene happened,
Speaker 1: of just how many characters they had to bring back
Speaker 1: to really wrap this up, I'm like, oh, yeah, so
Speaker 1: it makes sense that they didn't introduce and because like
Speaker 1: maybe they'll slide and I don't know, maybe one of
Speaker 1: the new Avengers, like maybe I don't know who at
Speaker 1: the times, don't bring back Quicksilver, who we really need
Speaker 1: Karen Taylor Johnson back to But I wasn't even like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe America Chavis will show up in here.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get more, you know, um queer representation,
Speaker 1: and I was like maybe, And I just now when
Speaker 1: I looked at the whole, I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think they were going to do that in endgame, being
Speaker 1: unrightfully dragged by Hector in a previous U episode when
Speaker 1: he pointed out I was complaining about the Civil War.
Speaker 1: My fight. This is what I wanted. That fight when
Speaker 1: they rushed towards each other looked like a comic book spread.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is it. I almost like I
Speaker 1: had all those dad tears and I almost burst into
Speaker 1: tears of just pure nerd happiness, because you know, you're
Speaker 1: the theater of your mind when you read these comics,
Speaker 1: you make something so exciting when you see these pictures
Speaker 1: come to life in your head, and you would think,
Speaker 1: you're like, this would be so cool as a movie,
Speaker 1: but they would never be able to do it. And
Speaker 1: to see it, like to think ten years ago that
Speaker 1: Fanos like like, look, I know Fanos is a household
Speaker 1: name now, but Thanos even in comics was this cosmic
Speaker 1: level hero. Like I was explaining like the levels to
Speaker 1: like Marvel heroes to someone because they're because I was like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy because then it is a cosmic hero and
Speaker 1: they're like, what, cousin. I was like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you have cosmic Marvel. That's all space stuff. I was like,
Speaker 1: you get a taste of that from Guardians, but there's
Speaker 1: a whole level of that. Then you got your Avengers level,
Speaker 1: and then you got your street level, which was cool
Speaker 1: because they were building it out with all their Netflix shows.
Speaker 1: You had your street level heroes, then you had the Defenders,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna see what happens with that, you know,
Speaker 1: uh on Disney Plus in five years, so totally in
Speaker 1: a different form. But Disney Plus about to take over
Speaker 1: every well, and I guess now Sony too, because um,
Speaker 1: Chris Miller and Philip Lord are now doing Marvel TV
Speaker 1: series with Sony. Yeah. They just treated like a nine
Speaker 1: figure deal. I'm hearing rumors that there's gonna be starting
Speaker 1: whole new departments of things over there for that. It's
Speaker 1: going to be wild. I'm so excited. But like looking
Speaker 1: to your earlier point about introducing new characters. When Peter
Speaker 1: went back to high school. I swear I was looking
Speaker 1: for Kamala, like where are you in theround? Maybe she's well,
Speaker 1: I feel like they've really started to establish a group
Speaker 1: of young people can start taking in the lead and
Speaker 1: the next arc. So it'll be interesting to see. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I feel like. Monica Rambo was that's what
Speaker 1: I feel like she's going to be. When they introduced her,
Speaker 1: I mean she has to be five year time jumped
Speaker 1: to yeah, because she's she's an adult now. And of
Speaker 1: course the scene that everybody can't stop talking about the
Speaker 1: scene that I was at the press screen and you
Speaker 1: know how I have you know how people try and
Speaker 1: be there. I was there at one okay through I
Speaker 1: was at the nine o'clock, but you know, you know
Speaker 1: how people at press screen is trying to be all professional.
Speaker 1: They never never laugh. That did not happen at this
Speaker 1: allowed sobs because in mind, there was no like all
Speaker 1: the funny moments. There was just like like really, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a dude next to me clacking loud on
Speaker 1: his keyboard, like it was like straight up, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: driving the reveal in the movie. Y yeah. So but
Speaker 1: everyone's trying to be professional. When I say Cap got
Speaker 1: that hammer and everyone just erupted, it just made it
Speaker 1: more I'm glad people were trying to keep it together
Speaker 1: because it made that more powerful. That everyone forgot that
Speaker 1: they were trying to, you know, out here, trying to
Speaker 1: pretend like they're professional. We went wild. Cap grabbing the
Speaker 1: hammer is something. It's crazy to me because I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm working on article right now about what changed
Speaker 1: and Cap that made him worthy to carry the hammer
Speaker 1: versus and a vendor's wine. When they all tried to
Speaker 1: pick up the ham right, it was only Thor who
Speaker 1: was worthy, which sort of makes Thor like the only
Speaker 1: pure hero from the story, which really changed your perspective,
Speaker 1: Like Thor changed so much from Ragnarok to write the
Speaker 1: f now that I feel like there's so much more.
Speaker 1: The character has blossomed so beautifully into himself, And now
Speaker 1: we've had three people carry the hammer, Thor, Captain America,
Speaker 1: and then Vision carrying it for a brief moment in Ultron,
Speaker 1: I think, um, so what what what is your If
Speaker 1: you don't what changed? What do you think changed? He
Speaker 1: was honest with Tony the fact because he knew about
Speaker 1: um the Winter Soldier and killing Tony's parents, and so
Speaker 1: he was lying and keeping a secret. And I think
Speaker 1: that I'm not even sure if the Hammer had a
Speaker 1: problem with it, but I think the cap had a
Speaker 1: problem with it, and could would never have seen himself
Speaker 1: truly worthy um because it was the only it was
Speaker 1: his only secret from the Avengers. It was really his
Speaker 1: only betrayal of the Avengers ever, and every time after
Speaker 1: that he's just very straightforward with him. It literally caused
Speaker 1: the Civil War between that, so that was mess. I
Speaker 1: think him coming clean about that, him kind of restoring
Speaker 1: things with Bucky, which will get to that in a minute.
Speaker 1: I think that his conscience is clear and he's good
Speaker 1: to move forward now. Nic I felt it was. My
Speaker 1: thought was that he's prideful. I feel like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like Captain America has a lot of pride, because
Speaker 1: it takes a certain level of pride for him to
Speaker 1: just like negative thing. I think he like, you know
Speaker 1: how you can be prideful and that's fine, and you
Speaker 1: just have too much pride. There's a confidence. And he
Speaker 1: never took an owl, you know, he never took an owl.
Speaker 1: Frozen at ice for eight years. That's more. That's more
Speaker 1: of a pause, like I mean, he like as far
Speaker 1: as for him, fighting for justice never took an oil,
Speaker 1: and Danos handed him that l and it made him
Speaker 1: reevaluate everything he is. But I like yours better. This
Speaker 1: idea of you going back in time changing things and
Speaker 1: it affecting your future isn't true because that moment where
Speaker 1: you go back in time is now your future, so
Speaker 1: so it is not necessarily creating a new timeline. It's
Speaker 1: almost as if you started it and went back and
Speaker 1: added it to your current timeline. So you experienced everything
Speaker 1: up until that point and came but everything that changes
Speaker 1: is just new if that makes But that timeline is
Speaker 1: still affected, the one that you already lifted. No, the
Speaker 1: one that you pulled more out of, she doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: She's not in teen anymore. If she stays in the
Speaker 1: present day, is there's not still a Goma in According
Speaker 1: to the Hulk the way he said, it already happened,
Speaker 1: So you're just pulling go more into two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 1: But twin all the events are almost destined. They've already happened,
Speaker 1: so you don't interrupt that. So so basically my only
Speaker 1: question was okay, So Peter will still get to have
Speaker 1: a Goma, and he probably will also get this Gomra.
Speaker 1: Like so, I do think that she's gonna this is
Speaker 1: my thing that I'm gonna project that we've talked a
Speaker 1: little bit in discord. I do think she's going to
Speaker 1: pop back up in Guardians. I think that was a
Speaker 1: a little easter egg that they showed when it said
Speaker 1: searching for Gama at the very end, when you know,
Speaker 1: when Thor came onto the ship, um, when Peter was looking,
Speaker 1: that was that he said searching for he was looking
Speaker 1: for Goma. And I think that was an easter egg
Speaker 1: of she's going to pop up. She might not be
Speaker 1: leaving the ship with them with Nebula and Thor and
Speaker 1: Quill and Uh and Rocket and group, but I think
Speaker 1: that she will. I think that was the best way
Speaker 1: for them to be like, oh, she's not dead, how
Speaker 1: are we going to get her back in here? How
Speaker 1: are we gonna, you know, finish out this franchise? And
Speaker 1: I think that was the way. Also. I'd imagine, like
Speaker 1: go mo if you went back to two thousand and fourteen,
Speaker 1: go more and she just got realized that she's in
Speaker 1: the future and she's into this guy she's not going
Speaker 1: to just go back on the ship. I think she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave right, don't because like if you I
Speaker 1: go back and watch the Guardians. Like in the first one,
Speaker 1: it's all about like we could be a team, and
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to go after your father,
Speaker 1: that's the thing we could do to like, but like,
Speaker 1: let's just try to figure this out. And then part
Speaker 1: two was all about, like we just have to admit
Speaker 1: that we love each other, Like can we just say
Speaker 1: the words and believe it, It'll be okay. And so
Speaker 1: I think the next one will be about him trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get her in a way
Speaker 1: that isn't brought together by tragedy, which will be really
Speaker 1: interesting because More's entire life has just been like one
Speaker 1: long tragic event and now she's on her own and
Speaker 1: she's got this level of independence, and I think that
Speaker 1: Peter is gonna have to come to terms with that
Speaker 1: and give her like space and time to figure out
Speaker 1: what she wants before she could even possibly begin to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship. Like what a crazy thing we
Speaker 1: pulled out of time. Meet your sister, kind of become sisters,
Speaker 1: kill your father together. And then find out you have
Speaker 1: this entire life that you can't remember. It's just I
Speaker 1: just realized that we had two women that killed themselves,
Speaker 1: because Natasha killed herself and Nebula killed herself even though
Speaker 1: it wasn't like her, but she killed the other version
Speaker 1: of herself. I thought the saddest part of that when
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, you can change, and she
Speaker 1: was like, he won't let me, and it was just
Speaker 1: so her Her character arc is just so tragic, it
Speaker 1: really is. And so it's at least exciting even though
Speaker 1: that Nebula didn't survive that this new Nebula with the
Speaker 1: next Guardians, I'm excited to see what will become of
Speaker 1: her character. Yeah, it's cool. It's exciting because like, even
Speaker 1: though she died, she was really just killing off a
Speaker 1: part of herself she never liked anyway. And it's to me,
Speaker 1: it's so much less tragic because it's something that she
Speaker 1: always wanted to shed. Even even the self who's like
Speaker 1: I can't change, desires to want to. And so for
Speaker 1: her to be like, you know, this is gone and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be whoever I want to be, it's
Speaker 1: exciting and I hope we like I really like her
Speaker 1: in Guardians two and she's like finally on her own
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just sell these people and I'm over it.
Speaker 1: She's so badass, and I think we're going to get
Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of like fun, badass Nebula
Speaker 1: that we haven't had a lot of time with. I love,
Speaker 1: aside from the cap first cap fight, the Nebula versus
Speaker 1: Nebula fight and then when she smacks her and um,
Speaker 1: she's like you're weak and she was like I'm you
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's such a good lie.
Speaker 1: That was so like such a put in your face,
Speaker 1: you know. Before we were getting towards the end of this,
Speaker 1: and I do want to wrap up one last thing.
Speaker 1: Another relationship thing that I thought closed up years almost
Speaker 1: got me in my fields was Tony and his dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that was it, Like he just it was years
Speaker 1: of everything he thought about his father being cleared up
Speaker 1: the moment he was like, I will do anything for
Speaker 1: that kid. Yeah, And I'm just so consumed by my
Speaker 1: work that I cannot focus on them. But I do
Speaker 1: love that kid. I was like, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: needed to hear that. Have you rewatched the scene from
Speaker 1: Civil War at the top where he creates. He creates
Speaker 1: a thing called BARF, which is a binary automated something
Speaker 1: or other. Basically, it's the thing he creates that connects
Speaker 1: with hippocampus and it projects his parents, and he gets
Speaker 1: to tell his parents it's the last time he saw
Speaker 1: his parents. It's when they do the young Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 1: Uh And he gets to tell his parents like what
Speaker 1: he always wanted to say before they died, which was
Speaker 1: essentially Tony's actual words him were like, it's okay, dad,
Speaker 1: you did the best you could. Right, we're getting here.
Speaker 1: The last line he says to his dad is almost identical,
Speaker 1: but instead of just to walk off, his dad gets
Speaker 1: to respond. And if that doesn't just give you the shivers,
Speaker 1: Like I just wrote this article about the legacy of
Speaker 1: Tony Stark because it didn't strike me how much I
Speaker 1: liked the character until his journey ended. Because to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like rich, entitled white douche bag. Like Okay, it's fine,
Speaker 1: Like Robert Downey Juniors is junior, it's infectious. Like you
Speaker 1: love his performance, you want to watch him. He's like
Speaker 1: a wonderful performer. But Tony Stark is constantly just running
Speaker 1: headlong into decisions and making giant mistakes and then really
Speaker 1: getting mad when people are like he wants to clean
Speaker 1: up his own mistakes, but he doesn't want to really
Speaker 1: take responsibility ever. You know, he's he's sorry that it happened,
Speaker 1: but like, I'll correct it and I'll do it by
Speaker 1: myself and it'll all be fine. And that constant like
Speaker 1: tripping over himself is always causing problems, and it's what
Speaker 1: makes his final snap so peak perfect, because one he's
Speaker 1: got the assurance that this is the only way. And
Speaker 1: we've seen Tony constantly through every Iron Man movie, through
Speaker 1: every Avengers movie, put his body on the line. He's
Speaker 1: willing to die for this cause, but it's never really
Speaker 1: been worth it. You didn't ever really have to. You
Speaker 1: were never going to be the leader that Captain America
Speaker 1: just naturally was, but you didn't need to be. You
Speaker 1: were rebel and a patriot. And that is so American
Speaker 1: and so closely ideals that Captain America holds. He his heart.
Speaker 1: It's so close to what your dad was always trying
Speaker 1: to achieve. Like all these heroes that he felt were
Speaker 1: so far away from him gave him the respect, I mean,
Speaker 1: the fact that what Capped does with his life after
Speaker 1: is just value Tony's message and Tony's agenda, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go and live a simple life because
Speaker 1: we all deserve to have that at some point. It
Speaker 1: is the most miraculous arc like it is. I hope
Speaker 1: that eventually we can get this with all of the characters.
Speaker 1: But the way they did it with Tony was pitch perfect.
Speaker 1: The most I think the thing that made it the
Speaker 1: most perfect, the icing on the top, is the fact
Speaker 1: that Tony ends the way the m C You started,
Speaker 1: the m C You started at the end of Iron
Speaker 1: Man when he says I am iron Man, and the
Speaker 1: last line that Tony Stark says in the m C
Speaker 1: You is I am iron Man. Just all just who
Speaker 1: I gotta breathe a second, or I'm just reaction of it, Okay,
Speaker 1: you could just go. This was another one of those
Speaker 1: like splashes, and this was a horror movie. I was
Speaker 1: centered around you know, black culture, blackness and uh and everything.
Speaker 1: And I remember instead of like I know, there was
Speaker 1: the bloody mare. You can say the name three three times, yeah,
Speaker 1: And people said that for Candy Man, where I grew up,
Speaker 1: Like if you say candy Man in the mirror, he
Speaker 1: comes and he kills you. But it's five times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's five times in the actual movie. But but but
Speaker 1: people were like three times in the mirror. Yeah. My
Speaker 1: fiance is still won't say it really still today. Well,
Speaker 1: I was telling her about it yesterday. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're doing Candy Man. She was like, you can
Speaker 1: only say that name so many times. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna She's like, still wrong. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it could no one, you know, knowing that I know
Speaker 1: have said it five times. There were some controversy that
Speaker 1: the film was depicting racism and racial stereotypes. This film
Speaker 1: based on that scene you just described, not see what
Speaker 1: the problem is, you know what? Just according to Rose,
Speaker 1: I had to go and have a whole set of
Speaker 1: meetings with the inn double a CP because the producer
Speaker 1: were so worried. And what they said to me was
Speaker 1: they'd read the script. What they said to me when
Speaker 1: they read the script was why are we even having
Speaker 1: this meeting? You know, this is just good fun, just fun. Um.
Speaker 1: This must be the National Advancement the National Association of
Speaker 1: the Advancement of Caucasian People. Their argument was why shouldn't
Speaker 1: a black actor be a ghost? Why should black actor
Speaker 1: play Freddy Krueger adible elector? If you're saying that they
Speaker 1: can't be it's really perverse. This is a horror movie.
Speaker 1: According to Madison, I was and am now worried about
Speaker 1: how people will respond. I don't think uh, I don't
Speaker 1: think Spike Lee will like this film. To his defense,
Speaker 1: he's right, because don't anything like yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: that's an easy did I make it? No? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is great because I want to know how much
Speaker 1: of that is true. I just love to quote why
Speaker 1: shouldn't a black actor be a ghost? It's like, imagine
Speaker 1: how much better Whoopi Goldberg would have been? It'santa Patrick.
Speaker 1: I don't know why was she a ghost? Oh? This
Speaker 1: is Oh, this is already off to the best start,
Speaker 1: because I mean, this is this is the amount of
Speaker 1: gravity to approach this movie. But also it's like it's
Speaker 1: funny because it is like a tin pole in the
Speaker 1: black community. It's important. It's it's important to us because,
Speaker 1: like we said, why shouldn't black people be a ghost
Speaker 1: or a Freddie Grueger? When we're saying a lot of
Speaker 1: funny things, but I'm not joking. And how big of
Speaker 1: an impact candy Man has a black I mean there's nothing.
Speaker 1: What's the other like big black horror movie besides tell
Speaker 1: Us from the Yeah, I think that's it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's candy Man of Us came along and
Speaker 1: and um uh get out. So yeah, there's been nothing
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, it was either this or acrimony from
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry. Scariest movie for a different reason. Oh oh man,
Speaker 1: so uh so, so we went to Chicago. He was scared.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking such an excellent like now you're caught up,
Speaker 1: caught up. Uh So, Now we get to the casting,
Speaker 1: which is wilder than we were ready for. So Eddie
Speaker 1: Murphy was the original choice for the role of candy Man,
Speaker 1: but his filmmakers could not afford him, which means both
Speaker 1: the film was off to a great start, but also
Speaker 1: he's not the choice like, well, and the biggest comedy
Speaker 1: star is gonna be our horror guy. I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: That's that's how I learned. My Eddie Murphy impression needs
Speaker 1: some tightening up. But you know I got the point.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least you did it. So I didn't.
Speaker 1: Todd negotiated a bonus of one thousand dollars for every
Speaker 1: beasting he suffered well filming, he was stung twenty three times.
Speaker 1: I mean that's smart. He's like, Yo, you gotta pay
Speaker 1: me a rack every time I get stuff. But also like,
Speaker 1: how do you do you just lie or do they
Speaker 1: check you for standing? I know when you're talking money
Speaker 1: like you're talking about a rack. I got stung a million.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm at the doctor right Nowtress. You
Speaker 1: know it's the naughties, so I can't send you like
Speaker 1: a picture. I left my polaroid in my in my catillec,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to believe me. I'm calling you
Speaker 1: on a landline. Oh my god, I'm if you wad away.
Speaker 1: Jeff Trammell right over there, we're reading through the plot
Speaker 1: of Candy Man. I'm glad we waited this long ago.
Speaker 1: It I'm glad we got all the making of the
Speaker 1: all that out of the way because the plot itself
Speaker 1: needs to be dived into. Because also another thing to
Speaker 1: remember while we're going through this plot is Key and
Speaker 1: Peele is rebooting this, so it's gonna be keep I
Speaker 1: keep calling Key and people, Jordan, people, my bad. Jordan's yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all together for the rest of my life. Jordan Peele
Speaker 1: is remaking this. It's gonna be fun to see what
Speaker 1: he decides to keep on, what he gets rid of.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be along. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot on the chopping block if it what I'm reading.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. All right. Um, So the dog has
Speaker 1: been decapitated and Amory's baby Anthony is missing, and she
Speaker 1: attacks Helen and the mist of defending her self. Helen
Speaker 1: is arrested by the police. Trevor, Helen's husband, bills her
Speaker 1: out of jail, but Candy Man appears to Helen again
Speaker 1: and cuts her neck, causing her to bleed to a
Speaker 1: point of unconsciousness, so she blacks out again. Bernadette appears
Speaker 1: at the apartment and is murdered by candy Man, who
Speaker 1: frames Helen for the murder. Helen is sedated and placed
Speaker 1: in a psychiatric hospital. After a month's stay at the hospital,
Speaker 1: Helen is interviewed by a psychologist in preparation for upcoming trial.
Speaker 1: She attempts to prove her innocence by summoning Candyman, who
Speaker 1: kills the psychologist allows Helen to escape, making it harder
Speaker 1: to prove Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wasn't his
Speaker 1: goal to prove that he is a real thing? So
Speaker 1: why is he putting all these murders? I don't understand. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to remember last time I read this plot,
Speaker 1: and just you ain't ready, That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: You are not and will never be ready because now
Speaker 1: I'm remembering what happens, and I remember or why it
Speaker 1: raced out of my memory once again, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to revisit. Why if you are back in Civil ware
Speaker 1: War slave times for very you know, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if Kennyman made it juneteenth. Uh, I don't even
Speaker 1: think he made it. Why are you coming back and
Speaker 1: killing black people like you should have died? If that's
Speaker 1: if that's how you handle your your grief. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like he would only kill white people, especially
Speaker 1: like white men, right because he was in love with
Speaker 1: a white woman. So yeah, why is he killing and
Speaker 1: then after all these years still fall for a white
Speaker 1: woman who would have learned, didn't even get didn't want
Speaker 1: to try one system could have change your life. I've
Speaker 1: been sitting there eating good. You are running back to
Speaker 1: helln Is this a movie about me? Uh so, here's
Speaker 1: the hard thing we know about the film. In September
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eighteen, it was announced that Jordan
Speaker 1: Peele was in talking to produce the sequel. Oh it's
Speaker 1: a sequel, son, I'm hoping it's a reboot. Yeah, through
Speaker 1: Monkey Pop Production. Uh yeah, it says. Kenny Man is
Speaker 1: revealed to be Daniel Robertaale, son of a slave on
Speaker 1: a plantation in New Orleans. Daniel was chosen by a
Speaker 1: wealthy landauver, so only slaves could take the moniker of
Speaker 1: candy Man. You just pass it down like the flash,
Speaker 1: but but it takes one. Oh you gotta be a slave.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he was. And he was also a painter.
Speaker 1: He painted culture of the daughter Caroline, resulting in an
Speaker 1: affair between the two. After Caroline became pregnant, Carlin's father
Speaker 1: organized a lynch mob to hut down Daniel. This is
Speaker 1: just the same movie. Cut off his right hand coat
Speaker 1: of honey from a nearby by hut. It seems like,
Speaker 1: seems like back then, it's only one way to do.
Speaker 1: Black man, who sleeps with your wife? You cut off
Speaker 1: his head. You cover froom it, honey. My father did it,
Speaker 1: my father's father did it, and we're not changing the thing.
Speaker 1: And that is all. Thank you all for listening. We
Speaker 1: could have one more best of episode than it's back
Speaker 1: to your regularly scheduled nerdive sitting. We have some cool
Speaker 1: things cooked up for you next year. But thanks for
Speaker 1: hanging out and hopefully I'm the first to tell you
Speaker 1: Happy New Year. Enjoy It's about to be a great year.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Stay nerdy.