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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do lots of news breaking, especially in the

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Speaker 2: political world, where it looks like current President Biden is

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Speaker 2: announcing his reelect tomorrow with a little launch video, So

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Speaker 2: we'll tell you everything we know about that, including there's

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Speaker 2: some pretty revealing new polls not just about him, but

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Speaker 2: also about the Republican primary and potential head to.

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Speaker 3: Head matchup, so we'll get into all of that.

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Speaker 2: We also finally did get a decision from the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court with regards to what's going to happen in the

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Speaker 2: interim with that abortion pill, which was a Texas judge

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Speaker 2: said Okay, no abortion pill, We're going to rescind that

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Speaker 2: across the country. There was another judge that said, no,

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Speaker 2: we have to keep the status quo in place. Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court is saying for now, while appeals work their way

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Speaker 2: through the system, the current status quote is going to

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Speaker 2: remain in place. So we'll break all of that down

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Speaker 2: for you. As well as the politics around a porch.

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Speaker 2: We have some new numbers there as well. Elon doing

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Speaker 2: a million different elon things for the past few days.

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Speaker 4: Shrift of our blue techs Crystal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sad day, very sad. It's the end of an era. Truly,

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Speaker 3: we're devastated here and.

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Speaker 2: Another end of an era, BuzzFeed News now on a business.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. I mean, this was really news

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Speaker 2: were really writing high. They raised like seven hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there is a lot to dig into there

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Speaker 2: about like the past of news media, the present, the future.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So the big political news this week is

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Speaker 2: we had a couple scoops from various news outlets at

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Speaker 2: the end of last week. Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Looks like President Biden is going to be announcing his

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Speaker 2: re election campaign next week. Go ahead, a one, put

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Speaker 2: anniversary of his twenty twenty campaign launch. Now, there had

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Speaker 2: this is a man who can change his mind right

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Speaker 3: The last minute. So you don't really know until it

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Speaker 2: So the details that we've got here, and mostly the

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Speaker 2: There's not a big speech planned, it's just a launch video.

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Speaker 2: He recorded it mostly after he got back from his

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Speaker 2: team has invited roughly fifty to one hundred of the

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Speaker 3: Here's more on that.

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Speaker 2: Because the you know, Biden is very indecisive and so

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Speaker 2: it seems like he decided to pull the trigger kind

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Speaker 2: whether he should wait. And you know, the case to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's lame, but it is also

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Speaker 1: vintage Biden. I mean, Trump did a big speech, and

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Speaker 1: I don't really understand why when you're the president, you're

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Speaker 1: the one thing that you can always have at your

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Speaker 1: and day out. And instead you're behind the scenes, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: immediately going to behind the closed door donor conference. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is not the way that these things are traditionally done.

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Speaker 1: Whenever Bill Clinton announced his re election campaign, it was

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the benefits of being the

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Speaker 1: given what we're about to talk about, polling wise and

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Speaker 4: They're like, that's so sure about that.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say is listen, last campaign,

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Speaker 2: he was rescued by COVID, both because Trump did such

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Speaker 3: Got to get this guy on to here.

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Speaker 2: This is a disaster, but also, and maybe primarily, because Biden.

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Speaker 2: And you know what we have seen since he's been

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Speaker 2: think they are making the smartest decision they possibly could

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Speaker 2: given the feeble candidate frankly.

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Speaker 3: That they have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I've been thinking a lot about some

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Speaker 2: Dianne Feinstein comparisons here, and I'm not arguing that Biden

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Speaker 2: even remember people who have been in her life, you know.

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Speaker 3: Her entire career, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But part of how she was able to get real

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Speaker 2: the workings of democracy by her and her staff hiding

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Speaker 2: the fact that she was so at this point incapacitated.

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Speaker 2: There is a similar energy here of they don't want

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Speaker 2: him to have to do debates. They're not going to

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Speaker 2: host primary debates in the Democratic Party, which you know,

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Speaker 3: Fly on the window.

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Speaker 2: They have put him in front of the cameras fewer

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Speaker 2: than times than any president in modern history, fewer interviews,

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Speaker 2: for fewer press conferences, just much less availability to the press. Again,

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Speaker 2: in spite of all the rhetoric about oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: the media, democracy dies in darkness. Suddenly, you know, we

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Speaker 2: cameras and has no interest really in subjecting himself to

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Speaker 2: tough interviews. And I'll get to that specific details in

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Speaker 2: a moment, but that's clearly.

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Speaker 3: Going to be the strategy here.

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Speaker 2: They're clearly just betting on not what Biden has done,

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Speaker 2: or that Biden is a great candidate, or that Biden

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Speaker 2: has a great vision, but they're just betting on Trump

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Speaker 2: is worse, or who comes out of the Republican primary

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Speaker 3: That's a bet that might pay off.

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Speaker 2: But let me show you where Biden sits today in

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Speaker 2: terms of his poll numbers. This is from a new

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Speaker 2: NBC News poll that was a fairly deep dive on

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Speaker 2: both sides of the political aisle. Biden's approval today sits

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Speaker 2: at forty one percent approve, fifty four percent disapprove. That's

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Speaker 2: not very good. Should Biden run for president in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four they asked? Seventy percent of people said no,

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Speaker 2: only twenty six percent. Only a quarter of the country

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Speaker 2: said yes. So not great there. And if you dig

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Speaker 2: into those numbers. Of the seventy percent who say please

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Speaker 2: don't run again, sixty nine percent say that age is

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Speaker 2: one reason for them wishing that he wouldn't run again,

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Speaker 2: and a majority say that is the number one reason

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Speaker 2: why they feel he should not run again. Now, on

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Speaker 2: the flip side, here's the record of some of the

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Speaker 2: achievements Biden you know, can legitimately run on. Here pass

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Speaker 2: the American Rescue Plan. In my opinion, that's one of

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Speaker 2: the best pieces of legislation that has passed through the

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a game of who is more

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Speaker 2: enthusiastic the people who love Trump and come out to

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Speaker 2: vote for the people who despise Trump and come out

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Speaker 2: to vote against him. It is not going to be,

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Speaker 2: you know, love and enthusiasm for Joe Biden, because that

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Speaker 2: just hasn't been what he's ever brought really to the table.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's this assumption I think that Ron

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Speaker 2: DeSantis would be a stronger under election candidate for the

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Speaker 2: Republicans right now the polls, that is what they reflect.

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Speaker 2: But that's before DeSantis has been under consistent national scrutiny,

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Speaker 2: and I am skeptical that he is actually the more

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Speaker 2: election I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say that it's one of the Look

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I do think. Look, we have to

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Speaker 1: be honest, which is Trump turned off? You know, remember

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Speaker 1: that district in Nebraska is like Nebraska two, Yeah, where

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Speaker 1: they have their own electoral vote, where it was like

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Speaker 1: Biden plus whatever ten, but generic Republican actually or their

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Speaker 1: Republican congressman actually one.

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Speaker 4: There is a lot of people. There are a lot

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Speaker 4: of people in this country.

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Speaker 1: Specifically like upper middle class or middle class suburbanites, who

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Speaker 1: really really hate Trump, and a lot of them are women.

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Speaker 1: And I think that some of those people, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna say they're gonna hate Rnonda Santis, but they're probably

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Speaker 1: more likely to support him. So from that perspective, like,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't turn people off as much. Now, the question though,

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Speaker 1: is are you going to drive turnout up the way

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Speaker 1: that Trump did that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you see the Hispanic Revolution nationwide? You know,

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Speaker 1: and this has significantly gotten a bunch of Latinos to

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Speaker 1: vote for him in you know, in Florida. But you know,

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Speaker 1: people in Florida we talk about her all the time,

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Speaker 1: Cubans and you know, even people largely for the South America,

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Speaker 1: not Mexicans. I mean that we're talking about actual people

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Speaker 1: who are largely of Mexican descent in South Texas. They're

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Speaker 1: going to go vote for Desantish, Yeah, I vote for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Trump brought people out to the polls who had midt

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Speaker 1: to the polls in twenty five years. I mean, does

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Speaker 1: the same thing exist for DeSantis. I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a trade off on both ends.

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Speaker 2: Well, even on the suburban women front, however, I would

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Speaker 2: have been inclined.

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Speaker 3: To agree with you.

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Speaker 4: Well, now our abortion, Yeah, now.

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Speaker 2: Abortion, I mean, that's the number one issue, and we

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Speaker 2: have some numbers to reflect that that is driving a

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Speaker 2: lot of voters, particularly suburban women, and DeSantis is now

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Speaker 2: saddled with a very extreme position on that issue, So

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Speaker 2: that alone could be highly motivated and motivating and basically

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Speaker 2: negate any potential advantage that he had with that particular population. Listen, Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I don't know either. It's all a guessing game at

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Speaker 2: this point. But I just want to caution that to me,

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Speaker 2: it's not so clear cut that DeSantis would genuinely be

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Speaker 2: the more electable candidate. So let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 2: into some of the Republicans side of the Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Think that's important.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the next part here, please, And I

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Speaker 1: think it's very important just to look at the way

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Speaker 1: things are going right now for Trump within the Republican

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Speaker 1: base outside of the general election. Let's put this up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen, from the same polls that we

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Speaker 1: were discussing here, quote, nearly seventy percent of all GOP

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Speaker 1: voters stand behind Trump amid the indictment and the investigations.

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Speaker 1: Even more significantly, though, that I found within this poll

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Speaker 1: was not only do they stand behind Trump, but they

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Speaker 1: also dismiss concerns about electability despite the recent criminal arrests

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Speaker 1: and the legal investigation. That's why I thought that the

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Speaker 1: statistic was so important. Obviously Trump is a very popular Republican.

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Speaker 1: But the people can say that you're popular and that

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Speaker 1: they think that something is going to hurt you. No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of Republicans here are saying this is

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Speaker 1: not going to hurt him in the general election. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's some pretty decent evidence to say that

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Speaker 1: that's not true.

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Speaker 4: But the point was.

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Speaker 1: Is that if DeSantis is going to make a case

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Speaker 1: around electability, people need to believe that this is going

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Speaker 1: to effect his electability, not whether it's objective or not,

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Speaker 1: whether you believe it or not. And look right now,

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Speaker 1: they do not believe it. And also in terms of

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Speaker 1: the lead that he has, it is immense. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the same poll, let's go and put the next

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Speaker 1: one up there on the screen. Please Trump currently at

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Speaker 1: forty six percent, DeSantis thirty one percent, Mike Pence six percent,

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley three, Tim Scott three, h Of Hudsinson three,

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Speaker 1: Vivik Ramaswami not even rating there on the pole. So again,

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Speaker 1: what are we learning here? This is a two man

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Speaker 1: race at the end of the day. The problem for

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Speaker 1: DeSantis is this, even if you take all the others

527
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Speaker 1: the people genuinely support and you add it up, still

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Speaker 1: doesn't equal forty six percent. So Trump has got a

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Speaker 1: lock and the Dysantis coalition to get to fifty one percent,

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Speaker 1: fifty plus one, you need the Mike Pence voter, the

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley voter to agree with a formerly pro Trump voter.

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Speaker 1: How do you square that? There's just not a lot

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Speaker 1: of evidence that you can, you know, looking at this,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's so obvious, Like, look, the Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: basically as we know it today is a relative cult

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Speaker 1: of personality. People can get upset by saying that, but

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Speaker 1: I just think it's empirically true by looking at the

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Speaker 1: way that people are voting in terms of stop the

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Speaker 1: steal in the GOP primary and in their continued support

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Speaker 1: for Trump. How do you run against a cult of personality. Now,

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the country, it may be true

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Speaker 1: that you don't necessarily like that. You see a lot

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Speaker 1: of inconsistencies, you find it abhorrent, or it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: really like do it for you.

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Speaker 4: But for a lot of people, it really does do

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Speaker 4: it for them.

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Speaker 1: And to watch this, you know, kind of play out,

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Speaker 1: I just think a lot of people are not grappling

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Speaker 1: with reality here. I mean, it's very clear DeSantis has

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Speaker 1: a massive structural disadvantage, which will require a level of

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Speaker 1: political jiu jitsu that I just don't see him having

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Speaker 1: any real track record of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I think on the electability point,

554
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Speaker 2: because this is really important, there were always two questions here.

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Speaker 2: Number one, does the Republican base really care about electability?

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of events for that, Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: number one. Number Two, it's very hard to make an

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Speaker 2: electability case against someone who was already elected president. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Remember these Republican voters went through twenty sixteen when the

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Speaker 2: entire media class said there is no way this man

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Speaker 2: can win the White House, not a chance.

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Speaker 3: Hillary is a lock.

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Speaker 2: The Clinton campaign was popping champagne that morning thinking this

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Speaker 2: was in the bag. That experience is still very fresh

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Speaker 2: and very visceral. So you saying no, no, no, this guy

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Speaker 2: he actually can't be elected. It doesn't surprise me that

567
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Speaker 2: they're like, we don't believe you, because he already got

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Speaker 2: elective presidents, so definitionally, he clearly.

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Speaker 3: Was at least electable.

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Speaker 2: And also a majority of them don't believe that he

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Speaker 2: lost the twenty twenty election as well. You know, you

572
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Speaker 2: still have a majority of the Republican base that he

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Speaker 2: thinks he actually won into twenty twenty. So if you

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Speaker 2: are betting the farm on an electability case and you're

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Speaker 2: Ronda Santis, I think it fails on multiple levels here

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Speaker 2: and then at least to this point, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I want to say, look, he's not in the race,

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Speaker 2: so he's a little bit handicapped in terms of making

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Speaker 2: a direct case against Trump. And we've also seen that

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Speaker 2: even when he throws a little bit of like a

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Speaker 2: job at Trump, there's overwhelming backlash two, which makes it

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Speaker 2: very hard to make a case against him as well.

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Speaker 2: I just haven't seen him be able to put together

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Speaker 2: an argument that is likely to land with the majority

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Speaker 2: of the Republican base. It could change. Listen, there's no

586
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Speaker 2: doubt about it. Things happen, it can be crazy, But

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, there's more support for Donald

588
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Speaker 2: Trump and more commitment and more enthusiasm for Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: among the Republican base than there is for Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: with the Democratic And.

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Speaker 1: Let me also explain this for some of these Republicans.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll try to understand the mindset. The mindset

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Speaker 1: is this. We did what we were told. We nominated

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Speaker 1: John McCain, you told us to do. We didn't ever

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Speaker 1: like the guy actually all that much. He didn't agree

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Speaker 1: with us. He wasn't a fighter, you know, he stood

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Speaker 1: up for Obama all this stuff. We swallowed our pride

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Speaker 1: and we went with it. Then we really hated Obama.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you guys told us, you said we got

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Speaker 1: to cut taxes, We got to nominate Mitt Romney and

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan. Again, we didn't agree with Mitt Romney Paul Ryan.

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Speaker 1: We didn't like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. We liked

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of other people, people like Michelle Bachman

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Speaker 1: and all this. But we said, okay, okay, we'll listen

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Speaker 1: to you. And then those people all lost. They got

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Speaker 1: creamed in the general election. And then we went with

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Speaker 1: our heart. We went with Trump, and you guys told

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Speaker 1: us it wasn't gonna work out, and you told us

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Speaker 1: over and over again, but we backed him because we

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Speaker 1: love the guy, and then he won.

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Speaker 4: So why should we listen to you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I put it that way, it's actually

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Speaker 1: kind of em easy to empathize, right if you're a

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Speaker 1: person who really believes that in Trump, and you're somebody

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Speaker 1: who's been wanting to go with your gut for a

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Speaker 1: long time but haven't been able to felt restrained by

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Speaker 1: kind of the Republican elites in Washington, people like Paul Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell and all these figures, and then one time

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Speaker 1: that you do go with your heart, you actually win.

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Speaker 1: There's pretty good evidence right right there. But then you know,

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election happens. So it's one of those

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Speaker 1: where it's more money than I am painting. But I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to show you what their internal mindset is on this.

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Speaker 2: And to the extent that the Republican primary contest will

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Speaker 2: be fought on an issues based landscape, which I think

626
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Speaker 2: is probably minimal at best.

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Speaker 3: Trump is in a better position on all the issues.

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Speaker 2: I mean, He's in a better position with regard to

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Speaker 2: Social Security and Medicare. He's in a better position with

630
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Speaker 2: regard to the Ukraine War and how the GOP base

631
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Speaker 2: feels about that at this point, He's in a better

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Speaker 2: position with regard to abortion. Even with respect to the

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Speaker 2: Republican base, it is still a minority contingent that once

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Speaker 2: the sort of you know, really extreme restrictions like DeSantis

635
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Speaker 2: assigned into law or like a national band like Mike

636
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Speaker 2: Pence wants to push through. So he has positioned himself

637
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Speaker 2: in a much more intelligent place with regard to the

638
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Speaker 2: issue set as well. So again I think it is

639
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Speaker 2: I think the media has this portrait that Trump is

640
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Speaker 2: really vulnerable and that he's on the rocks and his

641
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Speaker 2: power is diminished and anyone could come in with a

642
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Speaker 2: strong challenge and now's the time that they could take

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Speaker 2: him out.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see it. Again.

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Speaker 2: I think he is actually in a better position with

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Speaker 2: the Republican base than Joe Biden is with the Democratic

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Speaker 2: base based on the numbers that we see and also listen,

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Speaker 2: based on the fact you've got seventy percent of public

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Speaker 2: that doesn't want Biden to run again, only only sixty

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Speaker 2: percent that doesn't want Trump again. So that's the landscape

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Speaker 2: as it exists right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, we'll see what happens. I certainly a lot

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Speaker 1: of things could. But at the same time, somebody is

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Speaker 1: being a little bit rankled by a lot of what

655
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Speaker 1: we discussed. Mister DeSantis is in Tokyo for some reason,

656
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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly why, and was asked about his

657
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Speaker 1: declining poll numbers. Had a bizarre response. Here's what he

658
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Speaker 1: had to say, Well, hil you falling behind.

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Speaker 3: A Trump things thoughts on that I'm not a candidate.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if and when that changes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on there, Crystal. He seemed okay,

662
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Speaker 1: So here's my thing. A obviously annoyed, b irritated. He also,

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of getting to him a little

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Speaker 1: bit with the media attention. Look, I could be reading

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Speaker 1: into it that said he's usually a little bit more calm,

666
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Speaker 1: poised and collected. But you're also coming off probably your

667
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Speaker 1: worst month yet on a national level, from the abortion legislation,

668
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Speaker 1: which you know, any objective person could admit that that

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Speaker 1: was a disaster. I actually was reading this morning in

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Speaker 1: interview with Congressman Lance good. And this guy is full

671
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: blown pro Trump. He's one of those people who endorsed Trump.

672
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Speaker 1: Immediately after a meeting with DeSantis, he did an interview

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Speaker 1: with The New Yorker and actually he literally said this.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Look, I'm from a conservative district. I support

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Speaker 1: a national ban on abortion. But DeSantis just signed this

676
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Speaker 1: legislation and strictly politically, that's not popular. Wow.

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Speaker 4: So to watch to look.

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Speaker 1: At that, you can go read it for yourself. Wow,

679
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Speaker 1: that's incredible, insane quote.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And really, Christal also got to kind of bad mouthing

682
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Speaker 1: DeSantis for his lack of personal politics that Trump simply

683
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: appears to be at least much more of a master

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Speaker 1: of than DeSantis. And it actually highlights a big problem

685
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Speaker 1: that DeSantis faces. Put this up there on the screen.

686
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Speaker 1: I actually thought this was handled quite well. Maggie Harman

687
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Speaker 1: from The New York Times. She writes, DeSantis faces Republican

688
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: scrutiny on issues, while Trump's gates by Republican voters seem

689
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: to be creating Trump on a curve in his third

690
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: presidential campaign, while Governor Ron DeSantis faces a more traditional

691
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Speaker 1: form of scrutiny.

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Speaker 4: And it's true, Let's think about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump changes his mind literally every day on Ukraine.

694
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Speaker 1: One day, We're supposed to bomb them and sparkle war

695
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: between Russia and China. The other day, he's like the

696
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: greatest dove that the world has ever seen. DeSantis issues

697
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: like a heavily calculated answer to Tucker Carlson, then faces

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Speaker 1: pushed back and then comes out and then changes his

699
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Speaker 1: tune a little little bit. That's actually something Trump does

700
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Speaker 1: all the time, but DeSantis gets hammered for it by

701
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Speaker 1: his political allies in the media and in general, also

702
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: by the conservative press. Let's on abortion, right, same thing

703
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Speaker 1: Trump literally wants us to believe he's not. You know,

704
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Speaker 1: he's more pro choice than Ron DeSantis is, Like, dude,

705
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Speaker 1: you appointed all three of the other or sorry, pro life,

706
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Speaker 1: you appointed all three of the justices to overturn rovers

707
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Speaker 1: Yeah's true. Are who are we kidding here? You can't

708
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: have it both ways, but somehow he manages to have

709
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: it both ways. Now, we do not cut him any

710
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Speaker 1: slack here on the show, but in the mind of voters,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just simply impossible. Because Trump is a

712
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Speaker 1: cultural figure DeSantis is a politician. They're simply different. I

713
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Speaker 1: really don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 2: And also at the beginning, Trump has already sort of

715
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Speaker 2: been through the phase of getting covered like.

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Speaker 3: Sort of like a normal politician would.

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Speaker 2: Where you would, you know, really take his statements and

718
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: they would generate their own news cycles, et cetera. And

719
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: now there's just a lot of fatigue around that, and

720
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Speaker 2: so people just sort of are like, yeah, whatever, that's Trump.

721
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: And even on the attacks against DeSantis, you know, this

722
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Speaker 2: is a phenomenon that we have pointed out here.

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Speaker 3: DeSantis does the.

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Speaker 2: Little mildt like, you know, I don't really know anything

725
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 2: about hush money to porn stars. It very freaks out.

726
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: Trump is out here, Colin DeSantis a groomer. I mean,

727
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Speaker 2: now he's saying Florida is like some hellhole. It's just

728
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: he goes all in every single day, and everyone just

729
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: kind of like laughs and chuckles about it and moves on.

730
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Speaker 4: Yeah, including me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't help alive, to be honest, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: And part of it is he's a cultural figure versus

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Speaker 3: a political figure. Part of it is he's just as

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Speaker 3: a skill to pull it off, you know.

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Speaker 2: And DeSantis feels like a normal like carefully calibrating judging

736
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Speaker 2: his words, calculating politician. That's what he feels like, and

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Speaker 2: so that is the way that he is ultimately great,

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Speaker 2: and it makes it so it is impossible to go

739
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Speaker 2: against someone who is being judged on a total different

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Speaker 2: grading scale. It's you know, it's it's not going to

741
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Speaker 2: be an easy thing to pull off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I certainly.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very very difficult there politically.

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Speaker 1: And just to reference, like what you're saying, let's put

745
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. This is the latest Trump

746
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: campaign release about Desanta's It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: I can't help laughing. The real disanted record.

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Speaker 1: Desanta's record is one of misery and despair. He has

749
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Speaker 1: left a wake of destruction all across Florida. People are

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Speaker 1: hurting because he has spent more time playing public relations

751
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: game instead of actually doing the hard work needed to

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Speaker 1: improve the lives of the people that he represents. And

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Speaker 1: you know, he actually even issued one last night, which

754
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: is so funny. He is going against the Club for Growth,

755
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: he says, the globalist, China hawking rhino infiltrating Club for Growth,

756
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: which now wants to give backing Ron DeSantis. They realize

757
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: there is no personality or people skills there are beside themselves.

758
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: They don't know what to do. Florida has the sun

759
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: and the ocean was great long before I put Ron there.

760
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: The semi elite no growths are considering sending Ron to

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Speaker 1: the Great Walter Reed Medical Center for an emergency personality transplant.

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Speaker 1: His poll numbers are collapsing. I mean, I don't really

763
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Speaker 1: know how you deal with that, you know, and Desanti's

764
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: clearly is getting rattled. It reminds me of the way

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Speaker 1: that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio were in the primary.

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Speaker 1: They just didn't know what to do with this guy

767
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Speaker 1: because they were, you know, used to like a cookie

768
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Speaker 1: cutter operating. And I think people who like rond de

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Speaker 1: Santas always take this as in criticism of the man. Listen,

770
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Speaker 1: he clearly he won twenty points in the gubernatorial race.

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Speaker 1: He's got a talent, statewide talent. No question. Trump is

772
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: simply on another level. And sometimes you just have to

773
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: realize that whenever you're playing a game, you know, there's

774
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: sometimes people are just much more gifted, much more talented,

775
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: have built in advantages that you simply will never have

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Speaker 1: as a traditional Yale law school military you know, Desanta's

777
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: is like that guy and student council always want to

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Speaker 1: be president, and Trump is just Trump and ended up

779
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of ended up being president. Despy himself. They're just different,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the eye of public.

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00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. Santa's. The thing that he

782
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Speaker 3: has been.

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Speaker 2: Very effective at is identifying where the like cultural outrages

784
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: in the Republican base are and coming up with some

785
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: sort of strategy to put himself at the center of

786
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: those discussions, using legislation, using press conferences.

787
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: But those are all sort.

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00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: Of planned, choreographed set pieces that he's able to execute

789
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: on very effectively, right with people around him, and coming

790
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: up with his talking points and being able to sort

791
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: of roll this out under his own control. It's a

792
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: very different thing when you are taking you know, live

793
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: fire in real time. It's just a totally different skill set,

794
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: and to me, it appears that Desanta's doesn't really have

795
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: that particular skill set. That's why we're talking about how

796
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Biden has limited his time with the press because of

797
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: his aging and ERNs from his aides that he's going

798
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: to step in it every time.

799
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Speaker 3: That he gets in front of the camera.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a very a similar concern

801
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Speaker 2: around Rond de Santis, who also has been very unavailable

802
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: to the press outside of really friendly you know, becausehy

803
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: Fox News interviews with his best allies over there or

804
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: other ruper Murdoch properties. And we know that Murdoch reportedly

805
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: sat down with DeSantis and his wife even before the

806
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty election told him like, we're going to be

807
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: behind you. So, yeah, those are the quote unquote journalists

808
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: that he sits with for interviews. So to go back

809
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: to that clip that we started with, Yeah, it's a

810
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: small moment. You know, you don't want to make too

811
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: much of a big deal of it, but it shows

812
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: a level of irritation and inability to handle like real

813
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: time live fire that could be very difficult for him,

814
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: because you know, this is an obvious question. How are

815
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: you not ready for the most obvious question that you

816
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: know you're going to get asked? Now? Imagine yourself on

817
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: a stage with Donald Trump, who knows what the hell

818
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: that to is gonna throw at you. So if you

819
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: can't handle this like really obvious basic question from you know,

820
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: some random journalists in Japan, how do you think you're

821
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: going to be able to tell that situation.

822
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Speaker 1: I'm not a candidate. I'm really happy to be here

823
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: in Tokyo working for the people of Florida.

824
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Speaker 4: Next question, Yeah, come.

825
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: On, man, And like he's like a visual case because

826
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: part of if you're only listening, you don't see, like

827
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: his mannerisms are the thing that is very unsettling in

828
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: that club.

829
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: Very much.

830
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Speaker 4: So put the last one up here on the screen.

831
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Speaker 4: I just think it's so funny.

832
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Speaker 1: An x Goop congressman says Rod DeSantis didn't say quote

833
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: a single word to him for two years as they

834
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: sat beside each other during house hearings. Quote He's just

835
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: a very arrogant guy. Now you could say that this

836
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: is one person I'm telling you. I have asked around

837
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Everybody says the exact same thing. I'm

838
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: talking about members of Congress, and some of it is

839
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: bleeding into the press. That Congressman Lands good In who

840
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Speaker 1: I reference, same interview, he said.

841
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Speaker 4: Honestly, he was very honest.

842
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Speaker 1: He was like, look, Desanders is a guy who after

843
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: work didn't want to grab a beer and would go

844
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: home FaceTime his wife and his kids. And that's great

845
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: that you want to be a family man.

846
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Speaker 4: But here in Washington.

847
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Speaker 1: Every time that you give up a social engagement, you're

848
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: giving up potential political capital and the ability to make allies.

849
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Speaker 1: I think he's right. At the end of the day.

850
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Speaker 1: I think he's true. That's why I do actually think

851
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: being a congressman on a day to day basis sounds

852
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: like a miserable experience.

853
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 4: But let's put that aside.

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Speaker 1: If you are a power hungry drunk, this is a

855
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Speaker 1: great place to be.

856
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Speaker 3: And you know, he doesn't really care about being around

857
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Speaker 3: your kids.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like your children, if you don't like

859
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: your wife, this is a fantastic place to be here

860
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: in Washington. You can eat for free for five days

861
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Speaker 1: a week, and you can drink premium liquor on somebody

862
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: else's dime, namely like the aircraft industry or whatever. And look,

863
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: he didn't appear to be interested in that. Now on

864
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: a personal level, I like that. On a insider level, though,

865
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Speaker 1: if you're not going to be Trump like this huge

866
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: large than life figgure, then you do kind of have

867
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Speaker 1: to play that game. Bill Clinton was a master of

868
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Speaker 1: the game. Actually. One of the reasons that Obama was

869
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: not very successful as a president on the legislative level

870
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: is Obama used to say the same thing. He used

871
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: to go home and have dinner with his kids every

872
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: single day at six pm. Again as a father, as

873
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: a family person, I empathized with that, you know, for

874
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: somebody who's doing that. But you know, as a president, yeah,

875
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: well you probably shouldn't just be president whenever you have

876
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: small children, to be honest, you.

877
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: Listen on team with the kids right too, via my

878
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: daughter's soccer game later today.

879
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 6: Right.

880
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: But you know the problem for DeSantis, though, is it

881
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: goes beyond him being like family man and just wanting

882
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: to be with his kids and being maybe a little

883
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: socially awkward or natural introvert or whatever. Because what comes out,

884
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: especially in this anecdote that we had up a minute ago,

885
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: about how it wasn't just he didn't say a word

886
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: to this guy. It was that this dude was brand

887
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: new in Congress and DeSantis didn't introduce him, that didn't

888
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: make him feel welcome. His impression certainly was that DeSantis

889
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: is not just socially awkward, that he's an asshole. Like

890
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: that's the impression that he got from these interactions. And

891
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: there's another Rolling Stone piece that has quotes from people

892
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: who used to work for DeSantis and were some of

893
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: his aids and are now on the Trump campaign and

894
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: have made it their explicit mission to destroy him and

895
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: rattle his cage before he ever gets in the race.

896
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Clearly it's having an impact and having an effect. And

897
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: it's the same thing they say, you know, it was

898
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: an open joke whether or not he even knew our names,

899
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: and these were people that were traveling with him. I mean,

900
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: I think of this with regard to like the media industry.

901
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: There are news hosts out there who they don't know

902
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: their cameraman's name, they don't know the makeup artist's name,

903
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: and everybody hates those people.

904
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: Those pebody.

905
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: Everybody knows who they are. They're total assholes, the total

906
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: arrogant pricks. And by the way, the minute that there

907
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: is an opening to stick the knife in, guess what

908
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: people do. And to me, that's what this flood of

909
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: anti DeSantis and anecdotes looks like right now, Right he's

910
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: fallen off in the polls now that it looks like

911
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: the writing is on the wall. First of all, like

912
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: almost the entire Florida Republican delegation is run into Trump's arms.

913
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 3: They're leaking all these stories to the press.

914
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're even willing to put their names on it,

915
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: which is astonishing. That tells me that listen, whether it

916
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: was deserved or not, the impression that a lot of

917
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: people who worked with Rhonda Santis got of him was

918
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: not just he's awkward and he's a family man, like, no,

919
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: we actively dislike this person.

920
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, I actually think that that

921
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: traveling anecdote tells you a lot. I've been around these

922
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: types of politicians. You know, you have dinner with somebody,

923
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: they bring their staff and they don't even look or

924
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: acknowledge with them, And I remember being like, are you

925
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: a psycho like this? These people don't want to be here.

926
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: They're like part of your life, more time with them

927
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: than you do your kids in your family.

928
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: And that's actually that's the norm. The people who are

929
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: nice to their staff are you know, they're far and

930
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: few between, and so yeah, anyway, I think it's really

931
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: weird and obvious. And also if you don't have that

932
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: skill set like that we're discussing here, where you at

933
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: least have the ability to charm the people around you

934
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: who are right or whenever you need them, Well, if

935
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: you're both arrogant and you're not you know, at least

936
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: a good like connector people person here in DC. Yeah,

937
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a tough time. Yeah, And clearly that's

938
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: what's happening here.

939
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's important because it's not like Trump's

940
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: not an asshole, Like obviously he's been a prick to

941
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: a million people as well, but somehow, again he gets

942
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: away with it, and he has the charm to sort

943
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: of like smooth things over after the fact. You see

944
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: this with like, you know, he said, like he told Ted.

945
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: Cruz his wife was ugly and whatever.

946
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: But he's able to somehow smooth that over or bring

947
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz.

948
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: Back into the fold.

949
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: That's what he does.

950
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 3: I don't know what skill level that is.

951
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: It's you know, sort of a disaster that he apparently

952
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: has that skill set.

953
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's how I see things there.

954
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: You go, All right, guys, significant decision from Supreme Court

955
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: came down Friday evening, something that we have been previewing

956
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: here for a while. To set the backstory here, you

957
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: guys will recall there were two conflicting federal court decisions

958
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: with regard to this abortion pill called mifipristone. Texas judge said,

959
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: the Fdation of approved this thing twenty years ago. It

960
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: needs to be banned coast to coast California, Texas, everywhere

961
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: in between. There's a Washington State Federal District Court judge

962
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: who ruled on the same day, hours apart, the exact

963
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: opposite thing, that while there are various appeals going through

964
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: the courts about how exactly this abortion pill should be handled,

965
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: the status quo must remain in place. So this made

966
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: it almost certain that the Supreme Court was going to

967
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: have to weigh in on okay, in the meantime, while

968
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: these appeals are playing out, what is going to be

969
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: the law of the land. On Friday, go ahead and

970
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: put this up on the screen. This is from the

971
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: ap They did decide to for the time being, preserve

972
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: access to that abortion pill. Let me read you a

973
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: little bit of this article.

974
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: They say they.

975
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: Preserve women's access to a drug used in the most

976
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: common method of abortion, rejecting lower court restrictions while a

977
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: lawsuit continues. The justices granted emergency requests from the Biden

978
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: administration and New York based Dan Collaboratories as a maker

979
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: the drug myth of pristone. They are appealing a lower

980
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: court ruling that would roll back FDA approval of that drug.

981
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: The Court's action Friday almost certainly will leave access to

982
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: myth of pristone unchanged at least into next year while

983
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: appeals are playing out. Let me give you the details

984
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: of the decision here now, because this isn't like a

985
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: full decision. This is just, you know, whether or not

986
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: to allow these restrictions to go into place or not.

987
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: It's not ruling on the merits of any of these cases.

988
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: None of the justices has to actually put their name

989
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: on it or say how they voted, so we don't

990
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: know how close of a vote this was.

991
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: But we do know that.

992
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: Two of the nine justices, Samuel Alito and who authored

993
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: last year's Dobb's decision overturning Roe versus Wade, and Clarence Thomas,

994
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: they did put their names on a four page descent,

995
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: or at least Thomas said he dissented. Alito put out

996
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: that four page descent. No other justices commented on the

997
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: court's one paragraph order in the Court did not release

998
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: a full vote breakdown, so we know there's at least

999
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: two who wanted the full band to go into place.

1000
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: We don't know though, what the full numbers here were

1001
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: ultimately in terms of what happens next.

1002
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen.

1003
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: The Fifth US Circuit Court of Appeals is already announced

1004
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 2: they're going to hear arguments in this case in less

1005
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: than a month. And basically the idea here is it's

1006
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: probably going to take a year for this to play out,

1007
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: and this will very likely end up once again with

1008
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court having to decide how this is ultimately handled.

1009
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting that it's going

1010
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: to have to make its way through the courts. As

1011
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: you said, the fact that they did have seven justices

1012
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: makes it significant. I also question, though, if this is

1013
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: going to make its way through the appeals court.

1014
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 4: I'm curious what you've said. I also asked around.

1015
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Now because the Texas judge ruling was just seen as

1016
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: kind of so out there, even amongst conservative legal circles.

1017
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: The Texas ones are kind of seen as the like

1018
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: the Hawaii Court in the appeals process. Hawaii is always

1019
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: the one during the Trump era that would strike down

1020
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: basically anything, and then it would get up to a

1021
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: different could judge and they would reverse it. This does

1022
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: not seem to be like it might make its way

1023
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: all the way up to the Supreme Court through the

1024
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: appeals process, just because it doesn't seem like a lot

1025
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: of people in the legal establishment even necessarily agree with

1026
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: the legal process. But however, it has become a political fight,

1027
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: so some that might change the way that some conservative

1028
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: justices rule in the future. But yeah, yeah, I mean

1029
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: we're talking here about an Amarillo, Texas based judge. Like, right,

1030
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: if no one's ever been there, it's like Bible thumping

1031
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: and nothing cows and nothing else.

1032
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 2: I mean, this person was very It comes through in

1033
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: the decision which I read through. I mean, he uses

1034
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: all the language of anti abortion activists. He insists on

1035
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: calling you know, unborn baby. He has to call them

1036
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: like unborn children instead of fetuses. There's a lot in

1037
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: the decision that really pegs him as someone who's clearly

1038
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: very ideological. And he and his wife has the history

1039
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: of activism.

1040
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: On the issue.

1041
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: Fine, you know, on a personal level, right.

1042
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: But in terms of like the legal how will play

1043
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: out from a legal perspective. Another thing you should understand

1044
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: is it's not like this case just randomly ended up

1045
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: in front of this dude. The people who were behind

1046
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: the case, they went judge shopping, and this is very common, right,

1047
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: There's a reason why some of those cases ended up

1048
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: in Hawaii, and there's a very specific reason why it

1049
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: ended up in front of this judge. He is the

1050
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: only Amarillo based Federal District court judge. And so if

1051
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: you end up on that docket, you know one hundred

1052
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: percent it's going to be this dude who issues the ruling.

1053
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: And they basically knew that he was their best bet. Now,

1054
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: what's going to happen at the as the appeals process

1055
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: plays out? I also don't know, because now it goes

1056
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: to the Fifth US Circuit Court of Appeals, that is

1057
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: the most conservative court of appeals in the country. So

1058
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: will they say this guy went too far?

1059
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: Maybe?

1060
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: Will they have a lot of you know, ideological sympathy

1061
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: for his position? They almost undoubtedly will. Now does that

1062
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: mean they uphold his ruling or not? Very hard to say.

1063
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what direction the legal process will

1064
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: ultimately go in. But what I think this underscores more

1065
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: than anything is Number one, this is this is a

1066
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: significant issue. As mentioned before, this is actually how more

1067
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: than a majority of women in the country in places

1068
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: where abortion is still legal this is the method that

1069
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: they choose because this is this is for pregnancies that

1070
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: are in the early weeks, and that is when the

1071
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of abortions actually occur. So that's Number one,

1072
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: is there's a very real and very clear impact here,

1073
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: and if this ruling were to stand, it it truly

1074
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: would create you know, it would upend a lot of

1075
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: what is going on in.

1076
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: States like California.

1077
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: It'd be very highly motivating issue for a lot of

1078
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: people across the country.

1079
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: That's number one.

1080
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: Number two, it really shows you like Republicans are desperate

1081
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: to move on from the issue of abortion. It's exposing

1082
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: all sorts of splits and divides within their own ranks,

1083
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: which we're going to get to in a minute. It

1084
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: has been a disaster for them electoral I mean, there's

1085
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Speaker 2: just no denying that at this point. So they are

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00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: desperate for the question of abortion and how are the

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00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: bands going to be, what are they going to be

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00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: the limits of the law, how's it going to go?

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Speaker 3: Is it going to be state by state?

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00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: Is it going to be a nationwide They're desperate for

1091
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: all of these questions to go away. This is going

1092
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 2: to be playing out for at least another year this

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00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: particular case, and there are going to be many more

1094
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: challenges that are working their way through the courts. Like

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00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: this is not going away anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, yep, I think you're right. There's no way

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00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: getting out of it. On a political level, it's very

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00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: very difficult to work your way through. And then for

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00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: also for the GOP candidates, watching them twist and turn

1100
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Speaker 1: is really something else.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of that, there was a big Iowa summit

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00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: of the religious right that a number of twenty twenty

1104
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: four Republican hopefuls were speaking at. Trump spoke there by

1105
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: video link. And you know, it's interesting because he has

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00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: taken a lot of heat from the activists, the anti

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00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: abortion activist wing of the party because he's basically, you know,

1108
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: ruled out a national ban he really wants. He's been

1109
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: very clear that he wants to keep things at the

1110
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: state by state level. There have been all sorts of

1111
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: reports out about his private private comments basically being like, listen,

1112
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: we got to not talk about this issue because this

1113
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: is a disaster for us. There's it appears that he

1114
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: understood that as soon as the Dobbs decision came down,

1115
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: maybe more than anyone else. He got immediately how this

1116
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: was going to up end the political landscape and be

1117
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: a really big problem for Republicans. So there have been

1118
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: all sorts of quotes coming out from anti abortion activists

1119
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: about just how upset with Trump they are right now,

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00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: even though of course he's the person who put those

1121
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: justices on the court that made that Dobb's decision overturning

1122
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: Roe versus.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 2: So Trump spoke at this summit, and he was trying

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00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: to remind them of what he has done for the

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00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: pro life movement to try to calm the water's there.

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00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: Take a listen a little bit of what he had

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00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: to say, you.

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Speaker 6: Take a look at the right to life issue. So

1130
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 6: there was I put on three Supreme Court judges, over

1131
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: three hundred judges. Our whole court system is different than

1132
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 6: it was. Look at the Ninth Circuit, but just so

1133
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 6: different than what it was, and three great Supreme Court judges.

1134
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 6: And because justice is and because of the fact that

1135
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 6: I did that, you have a whole new world out there.

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Speaker 6: And you know, very few people have done what I've done,

1137
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 6: and very few people, very few administrations have made the

1138
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 6: impact that the Trump administration made.

1139
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Speaker 3: Suger how do you think that those comments will end

1140
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 3: with this guy.

1141
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Speaker 1: I'm just not sure. I mean, I think what he

1142
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: the case he's trying to make is I did it,

1143
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: I did it before. I'm your best bet. If anything,

1144
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: I think this is tough. You almost have to make

1145
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: an electability argument to evangelicals who don't necessarily believe in

1146
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: electability or never really have. So you have to say, look, guys,

1147
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm the guy who got it done. I'm the greatest

1148
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: hero in the history of the pro life movement. But

1149
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: also you got to know where to stop, and you

1150
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: also need to have you're one of your guys in

1151
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: the White House. So at the end of the day,

1152
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: you got to stick with me because I'm somebody who

1153
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: will get it at the best I possibly can without

1154
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: suffering the elect disaster.

1155
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of how.

1156
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: I read it, you know, to be honest with you,

1157
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: even though listen, there will be some small percentage of

1158
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: really ideological activists that you know prefer Mike Pence, for example,

1159
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about some of his comments

1160
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 2: on the same issue. I mean, he really has sort

1161
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: of positioned himself as the traditional.

1162
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: Religious right candidate.

1163
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: He has been he immediately came out in favor of

1164
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: a national abortion ban after Dobbs came down. So you'll

1165
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: have some small percentage that, you know, this is truly

1166
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: their issue, They're truly committed to it, and they go

1167
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: with a candidate like Mike Pence or someone else who

1168
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: is more to their liking on the issue.

1169
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: But we saw evangelical.

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00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: Voters sort of twist their previous positions into notts to

1171
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: support President Trump back in twenty sixteen. You know, it

1172
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: used to be very core to that group that like

1173
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: the personal values and personal morality and personal religiosity of

1174
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 2: the candidate was really important. And obviously, you know, Trump

1175
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: didn't have all of those pieces for them, and they

1176
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: still figuring on a way to justify supporting him. So

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Speaker 2: the evangelical right has been Trump's strongest and most consistent

1178
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 2: base since he took office. I don't think that that's

1179
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: going to change, even if he isn't exactly where they

1180
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: would prefer him to be on the issue of abortion.

1181
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: I think that they will justify to themselves exactly the

1182
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: way he Trump is justifying to them, of.

1183
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Speaker 3: Like, well, he's the guy who actually got it.

1184
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: Done, so of course we're going to be behind him,

1185
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: and of course we're going to support him.

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Speaker 1: It all comes back to how they will actually look

1187
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: at issues and electability. Let's put the next one up

1188
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: there on the screen because this is important. Penn says

1189
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: he wants to see the entire pill quote off the market.

1190
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the abortion pill, MIF and pristone here

1191
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: and also has come out for that national abortion band.

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Speaker 1: The real question is is that how many people actually

1193
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: believe in the issues. How many people believe in some

1194
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: sort of gradation. He's got six percent right now in

1195
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: a national GOP primary. Not great, but that's about exactly

1196
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: right for people who are like full on for a

1197
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: national book like this is the is is my issue?

1198
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: As opposed to like this is issue number three? I

1199
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: care about it, but you know, not willing to go

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Speaker 1: all the way for it. So, you know, I think

1201
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: we're actually seeing a lot of this in our polling

1202
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: data about how people show their preferences.

1203
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so put this next piece up on the screen.

1204
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: This is the polling Abortion has become really a top

1205
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: issue for the electorate. Sixty one percent of the electorate

1206
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: say that it is an eight, nine or ten in

1207
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: terms of importance. So they ask them like, okay, on

1208
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten, how important is this

1209
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: issue actually for you? And that's a very it's a

1210
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: very good way of doing polling because a lot of

1211
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: times people will say like, oh, yeah, I care about

1212
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: this or I care about.

1213
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: That, but they don't really and then don't really vote

1214
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: on it.

1215
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: But you have forty three percent of voter saying it's

1216
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: actually a ten.

1217
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: For them, like this is so important to them.

1218
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 2: And I think that's been borne out by the election

1219
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: results that we've seen. I mean, just recently in Wisconsin,

1220
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 2: the ultimate swing state, you had a liberal potential state

1221
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: Supreme Court justice who ultimately wins because she leaned into

1222
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: the issue of abortion, and she won by more than

1223
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: ten points.

1224
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't even close.

1225
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: So you see the way that this has completely upended

1226
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: our politics in a way that I truly didn't necessarily anticipate.

1227
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: So this has become central and it has truly exposed

1228
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: a divide within the Republican Party too. They are scrambling

1229
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: to figure out what is their position.

1230
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: How are they going to deal with this?

1231
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: That six percent or so for whom this is their

1232
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: number one issue, they have always punched above their weight electorally,

1233
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: especially within the Republican base, because they are highly organized

1234
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: and so it's been a very important key block to

1235
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: affiliate yourself with. And prior to Row being overturned, it

1236
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 2: was very easy for candidates to do that because number one,

1237
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: they could pass something at the national level, and they

1238
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: did pass some theoretical bands at the national level, and

1239
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: there were no stakes because it wasn't real It wasn't

1240
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: actually going to change the landscape of abortion in most

1241
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: places across the country. So it was enough to just

1242
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: like Trump be you know, in favor of overturning Roe

1243
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 2: versus Weight, and you didn't have to say a lot

1244
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: more than that. But now that you're sort of having

1245
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: to outline the specifics of okay, how far do we go,

1246
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: it has exposed a lot of problems.

1247
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: I actually think that the nine out of ten, the

1248
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: eight to nine out of ten, for a lot of voters,

1249
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: that's the greatest defeat for the pro life movement because

1250
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: for a long time pro lifers weren't that they're not

1251
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: that many of them, but it was their number one

1252
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: issue or number two, you know, And now to make

1253
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: it so that that now is the number one or

1254
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: number two issue for people who are against you, that's

1255
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of their apathy based on the status quo is

1256
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of what was letting them float, you know, in

1257
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: terms of their electoral importance. Yeah, if you're going to

1258
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: go head to head, you're obviously going to lose. I mean,

1259
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: I always thought that I didn't think it would ever

1260
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: go to a nine or ten, you know, in general,

1261
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: always thought the economic issues would count. But you know, look,

1262
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: it's clear, like you don't really don't want to screw

1263
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: with existing things, And I think that's a it's a

1264
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: tough thing for people to wrap their heads around. Like

1265
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at Obamacare, Like everyone

1266
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: hated the American health care system, but by not like

1267
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: really fully fixing it and just kind of trying to

1268
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: tweak you made it actually way worse. And you, by

1269
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: screwing with existing people's health care and then not also

1270
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: even really delivering a lot of upside to the people

1271
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: who don't have health care, you got the worst of

1272
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: all worlds. I kind of look at it this almost

1273
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: the same way where you know, whenever you have a

1274
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: system that was largely in place, people were mostly cool

1275
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: and refined with it. You take that away, people are

1276
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: going to get really upset.

1277
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: A sense of loss is a very powerful political force,

1278
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: That's true. This is a lot of Actually what animates

1279
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: the Republican base is a sense of loss, a sense

1280
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: of loss of cultural position, a sense of loss of

1281
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, the vitality of their towns, et cetera. And

1282
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: so I think, you know, this is created a real

1283
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: sense of loss of rights that people thought they could

1284
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: take for ranted among a large portion of the electorate.

1285
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: So it has become highly motivating. And you're right that

1286
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: it used to be that that energy was on the

1287
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: other side that yeah, you had the numbers where a

1288
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: sort of slim majority would think of themselves as pro choice.

1289
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: Most people were never in the camp of we want

1290
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: to ban all abortion at all times or with very

1291
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: very limited exceptions. But now that group has become very

1292
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: highly motivated, and you know, it has completely shifted the

1293
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: dynamics of this issue.

1294
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: And who has the upper hand here?

1295
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it's one of those where it opened up

1296
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 1: a Pandora's box. That and I actually, look, I will say,

1297
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: at least to our credit, we did often say that,

1298
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, in the months before, said hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: in June, this case is coming. We don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen now in terms of the way that

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Speaker 1: it showed up in the polling and all that certainly

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Speaker 1: you know was not weren't able to predict, But like

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Speaker 1: the idea of a Pandora's box being opened was certainly

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Speaker 1: I think one that we tried to feel here for

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Speaker 1: many months and you know, almost a year out before

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Speaker 1: it eventually dropped.

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Speaker 4: So there you go, Pat myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go ahead and move on to Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: As I said Crystal and I, it's over the era.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it up there on the screen. We lost

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Speaker 1: the Blue checks people we did not subscribe to Twitter.

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Speaker 4: Blue don't have any intention currently.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for ways of public humiliation. YEA, quite

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Speaker 2: enough of those in my life already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, outside of the public humiliation, which I

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Speaker 1: do actually agree. I said this on the red Scare podcast.

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Speaker 1: Just I'm sorry, I can't explain why. I just personally

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Speaker 1: do think it is cringe. But what are the benefits, like,

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Speaker 1: what are the actual benefits we're talking about tweet amplification,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about supposedly better services like longer tweets. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I should barely tweet as it is. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I would need longer tweets, third longer video. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think for some content creators that probably is something

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Speaker 1: that you would want. But at the very least, you know,

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Speaker 1: for breaking points and all. This the only reason that

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Speaker 1: either of us subscribe to this if it wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to help our business. We have never seen any conversion

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Speaker 1: in terms of our paid or even our public YouTube

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: channels only. Honestly, all Twitter is really good for is

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01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: like publishing an announcement and then taking a screenshot of

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Speaker 1: it and posting it on Instagram, where people actually are

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Speaker 1: and seem to engage with our content. Crystal, I'm just

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Speaker 1: explaining on a personal level. People were like, oh, why

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: didn't you guys subscribe? You guys have a paid business model. Yeah,

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01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean whenever we ask people to help us out

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Speaker 1: for our paid subscription, Ay, we offer you a service.

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01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're giving you some benefit. But also, really

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01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: what it's about is like, do you support our work?

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01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: And you know, look, I support free speech.

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Speaker 4: All of that, but I'm not going to lie to you.

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01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: I do not really have a lot of confidence in

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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: the way that Twitter is being run, right, now just

1343
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: because of the sheer amount of chaos, like this is

1344
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: not really a mission that I personally want to buy into.

1345
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: Let's put the next one up there on the screen

1346
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: to just really show you exactly why. At the very

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Speaker 1: same time that Elon was like, Okay, well I'm rolling

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Speaker 1: out Twitter Blue. Only people will have blue checks who

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Speaker 1: pay for them. Well, all of a sudden, accounts like

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Speaker 1: Lebron James Stephen King remained having blue checks, and people.

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Speaker 4: Have started asking questions. They're like, well, why is that.

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: Well Elon came out and said, oh, well, I came

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 1: out and I personally paid for their subscription. And yet

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01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: we have now had hundreds of accounts that have over

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Speaker 1: one million followers who it says in their check mark

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Speaker 1: that they had subscribed to Twitter Blue and had verified

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: their phone number. Yeah, and they're like, I didn't pay

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Speaker 1: for this. And it appears that many accounts with over

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Speaker 1: a million followers had their blue checks reinstated for no

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: discernible reason. Maybe it was meant as a troll to

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Speaker 1: make it look like they had paid for Twitter Blue,

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: but more likely through some digging of our team and others.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's an example, like somebody like Monica Lewinsky

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Speaker 1: put it up there on the screen about how she

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: also has her blue check and it actually is a

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Speaker 1: tear sheet that she referenced. Elon is gifting to blue

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01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: check to celebrities who quote don't even want one. They

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Speaker 1: list several others, but there's no evidence that he's actually

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Speaker 1: personally like eating the cost or personally paying for all

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Speaker 1: of these other accounts that remain and have their blue

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Speaker 1: check with over a million followers. It appears again appears

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Speaker 1: that one of the reasons why it put this up

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: there on the screen is because quote unquote block the

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Speaker 1: blue was trending on Twitter. Now, one of the reasons

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01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: why you would may want to make sure that accounts

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: with over a million followers or so remain and have

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Speaker 1: a blue check or are not blocked in order to

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Speaker 1: try and reduce the amount of people who are doing

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Speaker 1: the blocking is because those people with a million followers

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Speaker 1: produce some of the most viral tweets and some of

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Speaker 1: the most viral engaged content on the platform, which is

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Speaker 1: what keeps you there, hence why they have a million

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Speaker 1: followers in the first place. Well, what they point to

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: is that by giving like former Legacy check mark holders

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Speaker 1: who have over a million followers their blue check. It

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01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of disrupts the quote unquote block the blue movement,

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01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't want to block somebody who is somebody

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: who you engage with quite a bit. But they also

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: show crystal that it appears with the whole block the

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: blue thing that the would have in a normal circumstance,

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01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: it should have been trending in terms of the overall

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01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: trending number of topics, it would have been number three,

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01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: But it seems that Twitter artificially nuked that from their

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: trending algorithm. So there's a lot of chaos going on,

1395
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: and you know, like, why would I pay for a

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01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: product when you're also giving it away for free to

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01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: other people. Now I have a new tab. Here's a

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Speaker 1: fun one in my Twitter account that I was looking

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Speaker 1: at verified organization. So let's say we wanted a VP

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: account and we wanted to verify it. They want to

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01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: charge us one thousand dollars a month, and for every

1402
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: additional affiliate account is fifty dollars, So a thousand bucks

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01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: a month for me, you and the rest of the team.

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01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: We will not go ahead and say yeah exactly, I mean,

1405
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: look at the end of the day, this is not

1406
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: our money. This is your hard earned money that you

1407
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: guys happen to help us out with our showy believe

1408
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: in our mission. We're not gonna be thrown this around

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01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: like willy nilly when we got cameras, sets and lights

1410
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: to build. Sure, it may not be that much, but

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01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: at this point it's about the principle don't pay for

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01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: a service unless the service is useful.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, he managed to listen. If you're trying to

1414
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: sell a product, you how do you want a position?

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01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: You want to make it like cool. You wanted something

1416
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: people want to associate themselves with. You want it to

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: be a brand that they want to post about that

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01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: they want to like associate their own personal you know,

1419
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: being in their own little personal brand building exercise with

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: Elon has made.

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Speaker 3: The Twitter blue thing.

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01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: Truly, unless you're just like a total Elon stand, he

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01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: really has made it a mark of shame. So not

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: only were people not paying for Twitter Blue, people were

1425
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: like offloading Twitter blue because they didn't want to be

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01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: harassed and bullied for having it on his own platform,

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Speaker 2: And it was not inevitable that it would go that way,

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: you know, but because the decision making has been so

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: radic and because you know the benefits you get for

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01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: it are certainly not worth it, and because it's not

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: like the previous verification regime was flawed in a million Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it was fair cool like I didn't,

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Speaker 4: but actually.

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Speaker 2: It didn't mean it was useful in a sense because

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01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: you did actually know for some small subset that like,

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: this really is this person, this really is this organization.

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01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: Now it's completely meaningless except as a badge that you

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: are so desperate for clout you're willing to pay for it.

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: That's all that this indicates now, And that's why it's

1440
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: so that's like the core of why it's so embarrassing,

1441
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: because you are advertising to the world like I am

1442
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: so desperate for people to retweet me or like my

1443
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: tweets or like pay attention when I have to say

1444
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: that I'm willing to pay this person in order to

1445
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: make that happen. So then you add on top of that,

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01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: why do I think that he is giving out these

1447
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: checkmarks to big accounts whatever some of it is because

1448
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: he is trying to mitigate the sense of shame that

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Speaker 2: comes with having the blue check mark. At this point.

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: So if you've got Lebron James, you got these you know, drill,

1451
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: these big accounts that have the blue check mark, then

1452
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: maybe he's hoping it will make it a little bit

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: more socially acceptable because like the big cool guys have it,

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: so I guess it's okay for other people to have

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: it as well. But then in other instances, and I

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01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 2: have to go Chrissy Teagan, who I don't necessarily give

1457
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: a lot of creditude often, but she.

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Speaker 3: Made a great point.

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: He's like he's giving them out his punishment, which tells

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: you exactly how most people feel about the blue check mark.

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: So people like Matt Binder, who's been reporting on all

1462
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: of this stuff, who I think he has like one

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: hundred some thousand Twitter followers, he was given a blue

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01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: check mark because he's been very adversarial towards Elon and

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: he was basically given a blue check mark that he

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Speaker 2: is unable to take off of his account as a

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Speaker 2: sort of punishment.

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Speaker 3: So imagine what.

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Speaker 2: That says about the product that you are selling that

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Speaker 2: not only do people not want to buy it, like

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Speaker 2: they would go to great lengths to avoid having it,

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Speaker 2: and you're dishing it out yourself as a mark of shade.

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: It's also not necessarily any evidence that it's working. Let's

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01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: go ahead, guys, throw up D seven please, this is

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01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: an important tweet. I mean, what we can see here

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: is that for the day before the purge, nineteen four

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01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine of legacy verified accounts had Twitter Blue.

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 1: The day after that blue accounts were taken off, only

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01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight increase on a net level of nineteen four

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety seven had joined. Now, this was just

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01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: simply based on API by looking at it from an

1482
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: independent analysis. We don't have the current version, but that

1483
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: was the first update the day after the overall purge

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,879
Speaker 1: of people like Crystal and iiz account And look.

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 4: I want to say this.

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01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: It's tough because do I exist as a elon Tesla

1487
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: SpaceX fan outside of Twitter, Like, dude, do we exist

1488
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: people who are like I support Tesla. I think it's

1489
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: a cool company. I think SpaceX is a cool company.

1490
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Starship thing launch, undenial it was awesome.

1491
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: But you can put those aside, but then also be like,

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: what's happening here with tw or is a disaster. If

1493
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: we will all recall, here's what I'm begging you on

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: to do. Abide by the poll results that we all

1495
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: voted in where we said we did not want you

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: to be the CEO of Yeah. It was like, please leave,

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01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: go back to the companies that you're actually good at running.

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 4: Why did you do this? Well, why are you doing this?

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01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: I think the fact that you feel the way you

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: do about Listen. I'mm not a Elon fan and haven't

1501
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: been right, but the fact that you would have been

1502
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 2: open to this if you saw some benefit to it,

1503
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 2: Like there was another universe where this thing was run differently. Frankly,

1504
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: there was another universe where if he had truly stuck

1505
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: to like, this is going to be a public town square,

1506
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: and this is going to be run not by market

1507
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: principles but by free speech principles. And I'm going to

1508
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: stick to my guns the way like Substack has been

1509
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: run in a way that I really admire and appreciate.

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: There was another world where he persuaded me and overcame

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 2: my doubts about his potential leadership of this company. We

1512
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: do not live in that world. I think that has

1513
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: become very clear. And that number that there were only

1514
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: a net twenty not twenty eight hundred, not twenty eighth

1515
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:08,919
Speaker 2: twenty eight additional Twitter Blue subscribers among legacy verified accounts.

1516
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean that tells you everything too. From a business.

1517
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: Perspective, this is just a disaster. And you know, I

1518
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 2: use Twitter less and less, not because I'm trying to

1519
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: make some like principled stand and I'm going to master

1520
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: it or whatever. I just find it sort of moribund.

1521
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: I find it's sort of dead. I find it's sort

1522
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: of sad. There's way too many frickin' ads in my

1523
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: timeline these days, and I just don't find it as

1524
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: useful and vital as I used to.

1525
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I hate my for you page.

1526
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: I think it's awful. I keep trying to default to

1527
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: my follower page. I follow people for a reason. I

1528
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: do not want to learn how to get into real

1529
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: estate investing. I'm sorry, you know, I've been listening to

1530
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: Christly you know this. I've been on a big Dave

1531
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: Ramsey kick. I've like thirty hours of Dave Ramsey. I'm

1532
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: sorry people, As he says, the tic tac generation will

1533
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: not teach you how to win in real estate. So yeah,

1534
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really know what's going on.

1535
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: My warrior page is awful, and you know, I think

1536
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: you're it's a good point. I actually pay for a

1537
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: ton of substacks and patroons.

1538
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: I was going through my subscriptions.

1539
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like hundreds of dollars a year, which

1540
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: is probably not a wise decision, but a lot of

1541
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: them are people like Taibi and Glenn Greenwald or even

1542
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: Brianna Joy Gray the Red Scare pot. I pay these

1543
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: people because I support their work. I like them, I

1544
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: support their mission. I don't even agree with some of

1545
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: the people that I pay for. I just think that

1546
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: they're doing cool stuff, and I just like, we have

1547
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: this stuff for business. I try to do people like

1548
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: Ethan Strauss House of Strauss over sports subste I don't

1549
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 1: even like sports, but I like the guys, so I'm like, okay,

1550
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'll go pay now. Part of the reason

1551
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: why I do that again is because it's mission based.

1552
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: Now Here with the Twitter like yeah, look I support

1553
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: free Spook, but you got to actually do it, you know,

1554
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: on a practical level. I didn't agree with the Kanye

1555
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: Ben I don't agree with the capriciousness. I didn't agree

1556
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: with those initial suspension of those journalists. I think so

1557
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: much of what's happened is chaos, even the removal of

1558
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: the check marks chaos because now the million it's like,

1559
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: now you're devaluing my product. I pay for this, but

1560
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: if all I had to do was get six hundred

1561
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: thousand more followers, and you know I could do that, Like, oh,

1562
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I just do that? You know? So it's

1563
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: one of those where obviously that's out of reach for

1564
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: somebody's got two thousand followers, but you know, you and

1565
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: I combined have about a million followers. If we engage more.

1566
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: We don't even tweet that much we wanted to, it

1567
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: probably could. So it's one of those where anyway, I

1568
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: think you put it all together and I don't see

1569
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: it compelling narrative or a case yea for really paying

1570
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: for this.

1571
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: Even the okay you can post longer videos, like why

1572
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: would I do that when I'm going to pay you

1573
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: to post a long video? When when we pay post

1574
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: a long video on YouTube? Guess what, there's monetization because

1575
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: they actually value the creators.

1576
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 3: You know, I got issues with.

1577
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: Issues we've made, but they actually understand that the creators

1578
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 2: on the platform are what gives the thing lifeblood, whereas

1579
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: Elon has just made himself totally antagonistic even to some

1580
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: people like that Tybee, who were you know, supportive and yeah,

1581
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: and so it's like, okay, if you're going to just

1582
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: be an asshole to all the people who actually make

1583
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: Twitter an interesting place to be, then you know, obviously

1584
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: your products is going to be somewhat less useful here because,

1585
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: as you said, Sager, what we've really realized in running

1586
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: this business is, yeah, we make sure, you know, we

1587
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: do an ama for the premium subscribers. We're going to

1588
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: give them first look at the new set, right because

1589
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: we value you. But full show, full show, all those things.

1590
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: I know those things are important. But what a lot

1591
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: of people come here for is because they believe.

1592
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just believe it.

1593
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: That's it's it.

1594
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not a lot of people believe in the

1595
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: Twitter mission. At this point, I would.

1596
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 4: Say, well, good luck.

1597
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you can turn around. We'll see.

1598
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm doubtful. All right, let's go to BuzzFeed.

1599
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: I have a lot to say about this interesting, a

1600
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: fascinating case study. I try not to dance on anybody's grave,

1601
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: but you know, it's difficult sometimes when you particularly despise

1602
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: a certain news organization. Let's go to put this up

1603
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: there on the screen. Here is the memo that was

1604
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: sent by Jonah Peretti, who was the CE of BuzzFeed,

1605
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: to all of his staff, and in it he announces

1606
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: that BuzzFeed News is going to be shutting down. For

1607
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: those who don't know, BuzzFeed News was the original, I

1608
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 1: would say, the demarcation point for news on the internet. Ye,

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01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed in two thousand and nine. In twenty ten was booming.

1610
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: It was everywhere. It was all over Facebook. People were

1611
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: taking which Harry Potterhouse or you quizzes When I was

1612
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: in college, very cringe in retrospect, but that was taking off,

1613
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: and they said, we have all this traffic, We've got

1614
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: all these advertising dollars. You know what we're going to do.

1615
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: We're going to start a news organization. They decided to

1616
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: try and treat news the way that tech companies had

1617
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: treated tech. In other words, get big fast. So what

1618
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: did they do. They hired tons of journalists, all of

1619
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: these legacy with other people like Ben Smith, who will be

1620
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: having it on the show.

1621
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 4: Actually it just wrote a book.

1622
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to him a little bit about

1623
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: this because he was the editor in chief. He brought

1624
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: on all these journal they won a Pulitzer Prize, and

1625
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: all of it was bilt on the idea that you

1626
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: can do award winning journalism at a new online outlet

1627
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: and you can completely change the game and you can

1628
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: replace the New York Times.

1629
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 4: Well what happened. They just got shut down. They went

1630
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 4: out our business.

1631
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why is that Peretti references

1632
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: in that memo where he sent out is they're cutting

1633
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: costs fifteen percent across the board. But really what he

1634
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: admits is I should have been more responsible with our finances.

1635
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: And I think what I have always thought about BuzzFeed,

1636
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: about Mike dot Com, about Bustle, about all of these

1637
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 1: or you know these places which are you know has

1638
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: beens and you don't even think about it anymore, is

1639
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: they were mainstream media repackaged as what people who are

1640
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: executives wanted news from millennials to look like. Here's the truth,

1641
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: you know what news from millennials really wanted. You're watching it.

1642
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean millions of people watch the show, the vast

1643
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: majority of them are millennials and younger, and I think

1644
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: what it was is a removal from that kind of

1645
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: mainstream not only packaging, from the mainstream narratives on all

1646
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: the things that come through legacy people inside of media.

1647
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,759
Speaker 1: You're looking at, you know, shows like I mean across

1648
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,839
Speaker 1: the ideological spectrum. If you are a young Republican today,

1649
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: are you watching Fox News or are you watching Ben

1650
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: Shapiro or the Tim Poole Show. Already know the answer,

1651
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, And cause I talk to these people, you

1652
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: know they would care much more about what those two

1653
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: had to say, any of the Daily Wire crowd, the

1654
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: Tim Poole Show, Stephen Crowder, any of these folks. If

1655
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: you're a young Democrat today, let's say you're a young

1656
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: neo lib Democrat, you're not watching MSNBC. You're listening to

1657
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: the crooked media folks, yes over pod Save America. And

1658
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: if you're a lefty birdie person, you know you're watching

1659
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 1: Kyle Kolinski or Jimmy Dore or any of these folks

1660
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: our show in some cases, and you know, on the

1661
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: Republican side, we see many young Republicans who watch the

1662
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: show as well. You are not consuming this type of

1663
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: packaged nonsense. And I think that that's really where they

1664
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: went wrong, both on a business level but on a

1665
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: narrative level. They were just wrong. Young people did not

1666
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: want to consume the news that way.

1667
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 3: I think there was there were a lot of failures.

1668
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: Number one, there is an element of the like go woken,

1669
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 2: go broke thing, because they really twenty ten's you know, bustle,

1670
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: like they really leaned into that, like girl boss feminism,

1671
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: can they they leaned into that that moment. And I

1672
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: think there was also a failure to evolve, right. I

1673
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: mean since the launch of Rising, which is much more

1674
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 2: recent than the launch of BuzzFeed, you know, we have

1675
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 2: always been trying to think about what's going to make

1676
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: the show relevant in the moment, right, And so when

1677
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: COVID hit and we're like, okay, you know what we're

1678
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,879
Speaker 2: doing is about to totally change. When the Ukraine War happened,

1679
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: like there was another big, big shift. You know, we've

1680
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 2: leaned more into hard news than we used to lean

1681
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 2: So we've tried to evolve for what the what our

1682
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: audience may need for the moment. And BuzzFeed had this

1683
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 2: initial inside but inside BuzzFeed news that you could put

1684
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: like real news and real journalism, which did happen at BuzzFeed.

1685
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: By the way, there were a lot of truly you know,

1686
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: solid journalists who got their start at BuzzFeed News. We

1687
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: can package that alongside these like listicles and the Harry

1688
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 2: Potter quizes and whatever, and you know what, at the moment,

1689
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: that actually worked. It did drive a lot of traffic.

1690
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 2: It was successful in bringing in eyeballs. There was a

1691
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: lot of viral content. Apparently, their biggest day in the

1692
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: entire cump history of BuzzFeed News was that day of

1693
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: like the dress, you know, when people were looking at

1694
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 2: that dress and like trying to arguing what color it

1695
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 2: was and remember those.

1696
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I'm just like.

1697
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: That was the sort of but that was the sort

1698
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: of stuff they were like.

1699
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 3: Prime to capitalize on, you know.

1700
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: So there was a failure to shift in terms of

1701
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: the type of content and make it relevant for the

1702
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: current day and for what their their audience was looking

1703
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: for at that point in their lives, or bringing in new,

1704
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: younger audience or whatever.

1705
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 3: So there was that.

1706
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: There was also a failure of business model, which I

1707
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: think is really core to this.

1708
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: You know, they took in so much money, Yeah, we

1709
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: have that actually yeah, put what is that E go to.

1710
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: Go mean, Yeah, Look, they raised seven hundred.

1711
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 3: Million dollars and that was true Mike too.

1712
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike was this new sex all millennial, et cetera,

1713
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: et cetera. They raised tons of There were a bunch

1714
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: of these startups at the time that basically off of

1715
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 2: the success of BuzzFeed were getting huge valuations, huge raises,

1716
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: all this money in and they were betting the farm

1717
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases on social media distribution and monetization.

1718
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: The first big shoot to drop was when Facebook changed

1719
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 2: their algorithm, and that killed a lot of these I mean,

1720
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: that is what killed Mike, and it killed a whole

1721
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: lot of other places. And I know BuzzFeed was a

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Speaker 2: little more diversified in terms of their like social media

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: distribution and monetization strategy, but I know it hammered them

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01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: as well, and I don't think they were ever able

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01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: to recover. Ben Smith, who you mentioned, was editor in

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01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: chief and really responsible for a lot of building up

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01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: BuzzFeed to what it was at its peak. He put

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01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: out a sort of analysis of what he went wrong,

1729
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: and that was one of the things that he really

1730
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: kind of pointed to here and at his new organization,

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01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: which is Semaphore. It's funny because some of the organizations

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01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: that are thriving now it's almost like a.

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01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 3: Throwback, like newsletters on substack.

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01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 2: Many of them are very successful, right, But the core

1735
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: piece now is you can't rely on YouTube, you can't

1736
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 2: rely on Facebook, you can't rely on any of these

1737
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 2: platforms because not only is the monetization all over the place,

1738
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 2: but they can nuke you like that in an instant

1739
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 2: and you will never recover. So you have to have

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01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: some way of actually investing your audience in what you're

1741
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: doing and providing them something that they're actually will believe

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01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: in and are willing to pay for. And if you're

1743
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 2: not doing that, then I think in this current landscape,

1744
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: it it's going to.

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01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: Be game K.

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01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 4: You're dead. And actually that's the thing.

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm very thankful for the exist since of BuzzFeed, Mike

1748
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: and all these other failures Bashable, I could go on

1749
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: Bustle all at Gawker, Jes, I keep going. It's not

1750
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: like I enjoy this or anything. The point was is

1751
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: that when you and I were building this business, what

1752
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: is the number? We're like, we have to mitigate all risk.

1753
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: If YouTube goes down tomorrow, we will be completely fine.

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01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,480
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it wouldn't suck, but we completely Yeah.

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01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: If we get banned by Apple Podcasts and Spotify, as

1756
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: has happened to certain people, okay, we'll still be completely

1757
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: fine if you even if the payment processor or something,

1758
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: we have mitigation techniques all built into the very fabric

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01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: of the business. At the end of the day, we

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: have the direct payment relationship with you. We don't even

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01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: need supercats who we love, you know, our processor, who

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01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: are happy to be a partner with. But let's say

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01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: that they decided to kick us off. Fine, we have

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01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: our direct customer relationship. We insisted on that from day one.

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,759
Speaker 1: We have email. Nobody can ban you them from that. Basically,

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01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: all you really need is an email client. So outside

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01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: of an ISP level ban on breaking points, we will exist.

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: We can crawl our way through it, and financially we

1769
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: will survive. You know, even what would really be like

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01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: a nuclear attack in terms of being completely banned off

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01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: of that, and it was built into the fabric. That's

1772
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: also why at the top of our show what are

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01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: we ask for? We always talk about premium subscriptions because

1774
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: we know that that is the lifeblood of any business

1775
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: which is flirting in any way with something which is risky,

1776
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: which media is, and they decided not to do that.

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01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed died because of Facebook, but also it died because

1778
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 1: of the hubris and the foolishness of people like Jonah

1779
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: Peretti who believed that that you know, was going to

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: sail at the end of the day. How many YouTube

1781
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows have you and I been through in

1782
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: just a couple of years. You'd be an idiot to

1783
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: build your business just off of the same in the podcast.

1784
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: You know right now we're booming on the podcast. I'm

1785
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: not stupid. I know one day it'll go down, and

1786
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: so are you. You know, we're like and then when

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01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: you plan for it. You know, that's one of those

1788
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: things where these were what business owners have long dealt with.

1789
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: They raised money based on a false dream. And actually,

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01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: what I think is more cruel is they hire a

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, they're paying out full Benny's

1792
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff which they could not afford

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01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: to pay. And that's wrong, you know, when you hire

1794
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: people on a false promise. And I just saw a

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01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: tweet on my timeline some lady who's five months pregnant.

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01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,480
Speaker 1: She's just got fired, you know, because you were an idiot.

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Speaker 4: As a boss.

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Speaker 1: That's wrong, you know. And look, maybe she knew what

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01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: she was getting into, although I doubt it. You know

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01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people just want to get a job,

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01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: and so you know, once again, I can cheer for

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01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: the death of the organization, but I'm not going to

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01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, some five month old lady or five month

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01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: pregnant lady.

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01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 3: That's not right. No, absolutely, absolutely terrible.

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01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think the overhead is another piece, like

1807
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: you just have to be so much more nimble, and

1808
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: our overhead, because we care a lot about the production

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01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 2: value and abilities.

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Speaker 3: Very high, is a lot higher than.

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Speaker 2: A lot of other you know, similar sort of positioned

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01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: products that are out there. But that's something that you

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01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: know has always been core and really important to you all.

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01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: But still compared to BuzzFeed, compared to all the amount

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01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,440
Speaker 2: of money, what was the name of that other video

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01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,480
Speaker 2: play that just went under that had raised.

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01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: Like Auzie, Well, Ozzy is another one.

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Speaker 3: But wasn't this like a Hilman or help rund was?

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01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 4: Oh the recount?

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01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the recount?

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01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, they raised thirty million.

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01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again I'm.

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01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, thirty million, what are you doing with thirty

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 7: million dollars? And basically all they were doing was like

1825
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 7: clipping newsreels and stuff. I'm like, how does this cause

1826
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 7: you so much fun? That level of overhead unjustifiable. And

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01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 7: so there's basically two business models that work right now.

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01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 7: Number One, people believe in what you're doing. They're willing

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01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 7: to pay some amount of month. Or number two, you're

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 7: doing like an insider tip sheet that lobbyists and you

1831
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 7: know and people in DC are willing to pay big

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 7: bucks for to get a little edge on like what's

1833
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 7: coming down from the Transportation Committee or whatever. Those are

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01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 7: the two models that really work right now. And yeah,

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01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:54,919
Speaker 7: the newsletter it is sort of a throwback because email

1836
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 7: is something they can take away from you that you

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01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 7: have control over. And that's the model that is really succeeding.

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Speaker 3: At the moment.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, please take a look at on the eve.

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: Of Joe Biden's reelection announcement, one thing has become incredibly clear.

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01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 2: The media does not want you to think you have

1842
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: any other options. In article after article they declare that

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01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: Biden has no quote serious primary opponent, as if that

1844
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: is up to them to decide. Their Democratic primary polls

1845
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: reflect laundry lists of candidates who have no intention of running,

1846
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 2: while leaving the actual declared candidates off of the list,

1847
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 2: and sometimes the media they just outright lie, all in

1848
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,839
Speaker 2: service of making sure that as much as the Democratic

1849
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 2: primary base wants to move on from Biden, they are

1850
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 2: not allowed to even evaluate the existing alternatives. The very

1851
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 2: same tactics they used against every anti establishment Democratic candidate,

1852
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: from Bernie to Yang to Tulsi.

1853
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 3: They are all back with a vengeance.

1854
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 2: The media and the Democratic Party have spent the last

1855
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: eight years waxing poetic about democracy, but at every turn

1856
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,919
Speaker 2: they show their contempt towards voters and the actual democratic process.

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01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 2: No one has been more smeared and erased in this

1858
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 2: process than Maryan Williamson. Has no accident that this effort

1859
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: has escalated, just as she's begun to show a bit

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01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 2: of real momentum. In recent weeks, Marianne is pulled as

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01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,919
Speaker 2: high as fourteen percent in battleground states, ten percent nationally,

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01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 2: over twenty percent with young voters. This enthusiasm of young

1863
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 2: voters has become particularly visible on their platform of choice,

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01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: That would be TikTok as Ryan Grimm documented Williamson has

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01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 2: become an outright sensation there. Her videos and fan accounts,

1866
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 2: they rack up millions of views sharing her comments on politics,

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01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: on life and her critique of Joe Biden and the

1868
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. The enthusiasm for Marianne by anyone on any platform, though,

1869
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 2: simply can't be tolerated by the Biden team and their

1870
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 2: allies who dare to call themselves journalists.

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Speaker 3: Take a look at this article that was flagged by

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01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Katie Halper.

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: Writers wrote an entire piece that was supposed to be

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01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: just a completely neutral listing of the current and potential

1875
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four contenders on both the Democratic and Republican sides.

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01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 2: It's titled fact Box twenty twenty four US Presidential Election,

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01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: Who was in, who is out, and who is still

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01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: thinking about it? But this so called fact contains the

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01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: opposite of facts. They included everyone from Asa Hutchinson, who

1880
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 2: pulls at zero percent, to Chris Sinunu, who pulls at

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01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: zero percent, to Mike Pompeo, who pulls at zero percent

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01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 2: and has already said he is not running. To my surprise,

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01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: they actually did include RFK Junior, although they.

1884
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 3: Weirdly didn't bowld his name the way that they did.

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01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: All the other candidates, for some reason conspicuously left off

1886
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 2: this list altogether. However, was Marian Williamson, despite the fact

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: that she is pulling higher than the vast majority of

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01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 2: contenders that they did bother to name. I simply cannot

1889
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 2: believe that someone who calls themselves a political journalist doesn't

1890
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: know who Mariann Williamson is. She's been in public life

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01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: for decades. She was a candidate last time around as well.

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01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: The only realistic explanation of this omission is that it

1893
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 2: was an intentional lie, motivated either by arrogant contempt towards

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01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: Marian or to curry favor with the Biden regime. Now,

1895
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 2: Mary and herself replied to this so called journalist on Twitter,

1896
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: asking are you under the impression I do not exist

1897
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: or that I am not running? Under pressure, Reuters was

1898
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: forced to do a stealth edit of the article to

1899
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 2: acknowledge that Mary Williamson does in fact exist and is

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01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 2: in fact running for president. As if it isn't enough

1901
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 2: that they ignore Marian unless they're smearing her. Of course,

1902
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 2: the media's most damaging tactic is their acceptance and propagation

1903
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: of an anti democracy status quo, especially when it comes

1904
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: to the Democratic Party.

1905
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 3: If the Republican Party.

1906
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 2: Was planning to have no debates and just simply to

1907
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 2: annoint Donald Trump all of these supposed guardians of democracy,

1908
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 2: they would be rending their garments and melting down about

1909
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 2: authoritarianism and fascism. But when the DNC breaks the primary

1910
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 2: states for Biden plans zero debates, they just accept this

1911
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: as a matter of course.

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Speaker 3: Of course they would do this. The Washington Post turned

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01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 3: in a perfect.

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01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 2: Example of this with their big article about Biden getting

1915
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 2: set to announce his reelect.

1916
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 3: In it, they assert, with zero.

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01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Judgment that quote, the National Democratic Party has said it

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01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: will support Biden's reelection and it has no plans to

1919
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: sponsor primary debates. They go on to offer the standard

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01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: line about how Biden faces no quote serious challenge. This

1921
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: total shutdown on public debate is even more detrimental to democracy.

1922
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 2: Since Biden has sat for far fewer interviews and held

1923
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: fewer press conferences than any president since Ronald Reagan, he

1924
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: remains in hiding from the American people and the press.

1925
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: They just accept it. Democracy dies in darkness, right, guys.

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01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: When Marianne does get coverage. It shows why the press

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01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: and the Biden team are so desperate to hide her

1928
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: very existence. In a recent cable news appearance, one of

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01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 2: the rare times she was actually invited on since launching

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Speaker 2: her bid, she had a lot to say about elite

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Speaker 2: democratic failures.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I think that one of the things we've talked about

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Speaker 5: here already is that things are not okay. We have

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Speaker 5: thirty nine percent of Americans who now report, forty four

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Speaker 5: percent of millennials that they have skipped meals in order

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Speaker 5: to pay their rents. We have one in four Americans

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Speaker 5: who live with medical debt. We have sixty four percent

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Speaker 5: of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck, sixty percent

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Speaker 5: of Americans who could not absorb a four hundred dollars

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Speaker 5: unexpected expenditure. Look at those facets that I just talked

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Speaker 5: to about, and you talked to me about mental health.

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Speaker 5: We talk about the mental health crisis. We need to

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Speaker 5: talk about what's at the root of that, and to

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Speaker 5: talk about how much of that comes from chronic economic anxiety.

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Speaker 1: We have a political class.

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Speaker 5: We have a political class that is not planning any

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Speaker 5: fundamental economic reform. And I'm running for president I'm running

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Speaker 5: as a Democrat because incremental change is not enough when

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Speaker 5: you have a lack of universal health care, although we

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Speaker 5: have it in every other advanced democracy, every other danceing

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Speaker 5: democracy has tuition free college, you know, which we had

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Speaker 5: until the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm old enough, Allison.

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Speaker 5: There was a time in this far away land called

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Speaker 5: the nineteen seventies when the average American there was a

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Speaker 5: thriving middle class. The average American worker had decent benefits,

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Speaker 5: could afford a home, could afford a car, could afford

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Speaker 5: a yearly vacation, could afford to send one parent to

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Speaker 5: keep one parent could stay home if they wished, and

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Speaker 5: they could afford to send their kids to college. So, no,

1962
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Speaker 5: people are not okay. And I'm running for president because

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Speaker 5: we need a fundamental economic return, not just incremental change.

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Speaker 5: People need to have health care in this country, need

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Speaker 5: to be able to go to college. People need the

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Speaker 5: bandwidth to thrive. And if all a politician can say

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Speaker 5: is I'll help you survive an unjeal system in the

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Speaker 5: richest country in the world, something wrong. We need someone

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Speaker 5: from outside that system to say the system should not

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Speaker 5: be unjust. We need an economic return and that's what

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Speaker 5: I will do if I'm elected president.

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Speaker 2: Now that clip has already racked up hundreds of thousands

1973
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Speaker 2: of views on TikTok, so you won't be surprised to

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Speaker 2: learn Biden team trying to silence her there as well.

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Speaker 2: According to Mariyan campaign volunteer Tim Cox, TikTok moderators have

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Speaker 2: banned at least two Maryan supporter accounts, Mary and Williamson

1977
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Speaker 2: for Pres and Lefty Takeover. These accounts had tens of

1978
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Speaker 2: thousands of followers, no terms of service violations, but they

1979
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Speaker 2: were spammed by Biden supporters mass reporting them, according to Cox. Now,

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Speaker 2: I spoke with the woman who runs the Mary and

1981
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Speaker 2: Williamson for Press account and she confirmed that this had

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Speaker 2: indeed happened.

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Speaker 3: She told me that quote.

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Speaker 2: The account is still banned, and I have not heard

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Speaker 2: a single peep back from TikTok on why they took

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Speaker 2: my account down.

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Speaker 3: I broke no rules.

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Speaker 2: These heavy handed tactics reveal a Biden team much more

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Speaker 2: nervous than their public bluster.

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Speaker 3: What have you believe?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Look, no one's going to deny it.

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Speaker 2: Is exceptionally difficult to oust any incumbent president. However, this

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Speaker 2: one does have some real vulnerabilities. Don't take my word

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Speaker 2: for it, just ask the voters. Seventy three percent of

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Speaker 2: voters wish the current president would not run again. That

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Speaker 2: includes a majority of Democrats. Only one third of voters

1998
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Speaker 2: believe Biden deserves to be re elected, and majorities disapprove

1999
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Speaker 2: of his handling on every major issue that was tested

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Speaker 2: in a recent CNN poll. Majorities say he is not honest,

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Speaker 2: does not care about people like them, and cannot work

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Speaker 2: effectively with Congress. But while Americans might be dissatisfied with

2003
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Speaker 2: Biden across a range of issues, the biggest questions are

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Speaker 2: about his basic capacity to serve in the office at all.

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Speaker 2: Sixty five percent say he doesn't inspire confidence, and sixty

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Speaker 2: seven percent say he doesn't have the stamina and sharpness

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Speaker 2: to serve effectively as President of the United States. Who

2008
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Speaker 2: can blame them for wondering if the oldest US president

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Speaker 2: in history is really up to the task.

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Speaker 8: So thank you all, God bless you all.

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Speaker 5: Let's go, let's go, let.

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Speaker 1: The world must get it done.

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Speaker 8: Representative Jackie, you here, I think to be here more

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Speaker 8: than half the women in my cabinet, more than more

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Speaker 8: than half to be with my cabin. More than half

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Speaker 8: of the women on the in my administration are women.

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Speaker 8: How either of you're Rowland Egger being the you know,

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Speaker 8: the guy who's.

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Speaker 2: Pushing them out, and so Biden scronies don't want to

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Speaker 2: contrast with anyone who can articulate a perspective and who

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Speaker 2: is unafraid to expose the failures.

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Speaker 3: Of the elite political and media class.

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Speaker 2: I am reminded that Diane Feinstein was able to hold

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Speaker 2: on for her last reelection by avoiding interviews, debates, town halls,

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Speaker 2: anything that would expose her to constituents. Just how unable

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Speaker 2: to do the job she really was. The Biden camp

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Speaker 2: here is similarly desperate to hide their guy and persuade

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Speaker 2: everyone that there is no actual contest. Whatever you think

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Speaker 2: any of these candidates Biden, rfk Junior and Marianne at

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Speaker 2: the very least, we deserve actual debates, demand that the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party live up to the bare minimum of their

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Speaker 2: pro democracy rhetoric, and Sager, it's just amazing to me

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Speaker 2: that the feel so entitled to decide for themselves who's

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Speaker 2: a serious candidate that they just leave around entirely and

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Speaker 2: think that's totally fine.

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Speaker 3: Don't include her and.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 3: All right, Sager, what you're looking at.

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Speaker 1: Something that I always try and do on the show

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Speaker 1: is understand where people are coming from, even if I disagree,

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Speaker 1: Actually even more so when I do disagree, because otherwise

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Speaker 1: things just evolve into something unhelpful. And I will admit

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Speaker 1: that's certainly harder when it comes to certain topics, but

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Speaker 1: I do my best, and that's why I really want

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Speaker 1: to delve into a topic that I have been spending

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Speaker 1: a lot of time on recently, the rise of affirmative

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Speaker 1: action America. Now, on its face, affirmative action America is

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Speaker 1: built on an idea I do agree with. Our institutions

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Speaker 1: are unfair, corrupt, and they do penalize the poorest amongst us,

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Speaker 1: who are made up of poor whites, poor blacks, poor Latinos,

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Speaker 1: and many others. We should fix that right now. American

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Speaker 1: society is probably more nepotistic and oligarchic than at any

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Speaker 1: point in our history since the Gilded Age. But how

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Speaker 1: we fix that is the big disagreement. It comes back

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Speaker 1: to the concepts that I brought up here earlier. Do

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Speaker 1: you strive for equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

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Speaker 1: Equality of opportunity is the goal in which everyone starts

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Speaker 1: off from the same place, and then when they end

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Speaker 1: up in different ends of the income or societal spectrum,

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Speaker 1: you can at least have relative faith they deserve quote

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Speaker 1: unquote to be there, with the caveat that nobody ends

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Speaker 1: up destitute. Equality of outcome effectively means that a person's

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Speaker 1: outcome is predetermined by quotas and other normalizing efforts to

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Speaker 1: make sure that all races, all creeds come to the

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Speaker 1: same place, regardless of disparities and effort. Now, unfortunately, the

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Speaker 1: left establishment in this country has made their choice post

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. They're going for equality of outcome, otherwise known

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Speaker 1: as equity, a key pillar of the so called diversity,

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Speaker 1: equity and inclusion religion founded in affirmative action. I've already

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Speaker 1: discussed here the San Francisco Algebra for non experiment how

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Speaker 1: it penalized black and Hispanic students while also penalizing high

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Speaker 1: achieve in Asian and white students. It is likely the

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Speaker 1: future of American higher education, and at the very least,

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Speaker 1: though that was a local story. The one today, though,

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Speaker 1: is worse because it actually affects the entire country, and

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Speaker 1: it too is rooted in inequality of outcome mandate by

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration. This is a bombshell. News actually came

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Speaker 1: in the form of a very small notice press release

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Speaker 1: from the Federal Housing Finance Agency regulates Fanny May, Freddie

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Speaker 1: Mack and the federal home loan banks. It's agency created

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Speaker 1: after two thousand and eight to ensure another financial collapse

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. But like all institutions, now they've departed their

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Speaker 1: original mission. I don't now focus on quote equity in housing.

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Speaker 1: The new rule actually does sound nice. The press release

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Speaker 1: says it aims to increase housing ownership amongst minorities, But

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Speaker 1: it takes a little bit of reading some complicated spreadsheets

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Speaker 1: that they release to get to the truth. The way

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Speaker 1: that they want to increase home ownership amongst minorities is

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Speaker 1: by targeting lower credit score applicants for mortgages. The new rule,

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Speaker 1: through something known is the loan level price adjusted matrix,

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Speaker 1: will lower fees to those with lower credit scores. Now,

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Speaker 1: how does it lower those fees by increasing them on

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Speaker 1: people with higher credit scores? Under the new rules set

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Speaker 1: to go into effect on May first, for mortgage lenders

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Speaker 1: across those entire countries, buyers with the score ranging from

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Speaker 1: six to eighty to seven eighty will have an increase

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Speaker 1: in their overall mortgage cost than before. The most insane

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Speaker 1: thing is that buyers who are responsible actually put down

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Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty percent will have the largest increase in fees.

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Speaker 1: Consider someone who has saved up for years. They have

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Speaker 1: paid off their loans, they worked hard, they didn't go

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Speaker 1: out to eat, they drive a crappy car. Let's say

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Speaker 1: that person has a seven to forty credit score is

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Speaker 1: able to put down fifteen to twenty percent. That person

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Speaker 1: will now face an overall one percent surcharge and fees

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Speaker 1: as compared to the old fee of point twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: Now put that in perspective, it doesn't sound like a lot.

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Speaker 1: But if you take out a four hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: loan with a six percent mortgage rate, the buyer would

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Speaker 1: then expect their monthly payment to increase by forty dollars

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Speaker 1: per month. Again, you can say that sounds small, forty

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Speaker 1: dollars over thirty or mortgage is fourteen thousand dollars. Now,

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Speaker 1: say that you have a credit score of under six

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Speaker 1: seventy and you're only putting down five for you, your

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Speaker 1: fees actually get cut in half. Now, once again, this

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Speaker 1: is backwards. A person who is putting down less cash

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Speaker 1: with worse credit is getting basically a thank you from

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Speaker 1: the government. Now even crazier is that this is a

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Speaker 1: moderate proposal actually put forward by the Admin. They have

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Speaker 1: an even worse one that is set to go into

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Speaker 1: effect in August. The new rule limits fees and considerations

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Speaker 1: of brokers on those who have debt to income ratios

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Speaker 1: of over forty percent. Think for one second, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about making it easier for someone who has a debt

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Speaker 1: to income ration of forty percent to increase the amount

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Speaker 1: of mortgage death that they have. Does that make any

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Speaker 1: sense at all? Or does it sound like a two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight type disaster where people can't afford homes,

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Speaker 1: get into them anyways, and then we have an overall

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Speaker 1: collapse where they're later on destitute. I want people to

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Speaker 1: understand this. I am not being callous. I believe it

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Speaker 1: is a crime. Many poor people in this country don't

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Speaker 1: have a fair shake and don't have access to homes,

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Speaker 1: and it manifests in a lot of racial ugliness.

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Speaker 4: The way to.

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Speaker 1: Solve that is not to penalize responsible home buyers or

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Speaker 1: simply lift the cap on debt to income ratio. The

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Speaker 1: way is not through this affirmative action nonsense. It's universal policy.

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Speaker 1: The price of a home in the US right now

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Speaker 1: is higher than ever in all major metropolitan areas, over

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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars. That's a problem for the middle

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Speaker 1: class and the poor alike. By reducing the cost of

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Speaker 1: building and more starting homes, voila, you made housing cheaper

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Speaker 1: for everyone instead of pitting people against each other on

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Speaker 1: a limited basis. Or maybe that's too ambitious. Let's just

2147
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Speaker 1: look why do poor people have such awful credit in

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Speaker 1: the first place. Maybe it's because a man named Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: when he was a senator from Delaware, became the greatest

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Speaker 1: friend of the credit card industry in Congress. Loosen regulation,

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Speaker 1: increased interests, not didn't restrain their marketing tactics, flooded the

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