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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire? Pan? It's mean Jason McIntyre

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Speaker 2: Straight Foyer for Thursday, April the second. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: we got a big podcast today. Holy smokes a lot

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Speaker 2: of NFL stuff. And let's not forget tonight the game

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Speaker 2: of the season in the NBA. Just kidding, kind of

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Speaker 2: question mark Lakers at Thunder. It is a big one.

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Speaker 2: It's been circled on everyone's calendar. It looks like it's

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Speaker 2: an Amazon Prime game. The reason it's massive is because

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Speaker 2: the Lakers just went fifteen and two in March. The

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Speaker 2: Thunder have the best record in the West. The Spurs

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Speaker 2: continue to win and are breathing down their neck. If

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Speaker 2: the Lakers are able to pull this game off, ah,

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Speaker 2: they look, let's see what the line is. Okay, see

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Speaker 2: eight and a half the Lakers I won't win. If

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Speaker 2: beat the paper clips out here in La, the Spurs

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Speaker 2: it looks like five to go, so it's unlikely to

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Speaker 2: It would be kind of interesting if they do. I

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Speaker 2: just think so many people's MVP swings on who had

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Speaker 2: the better record, which is dumb. But we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that later with Rob G. But before we get to NBA,

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Speaker 2: before we get to the jail and hurt situation, I

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Speaker 2: just got to address this. So all day I'm avoiding

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Speaker 2: social media. I'm like, all, I'm not gonna get nailed

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Speaker 2: by any April fool stuff. And then i see this

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, well, that must be. It's got

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Speaker 2: to be fake, right April first, And then hold up,

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, this is like a story in the

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, not the New York Post, the California Post,

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Speaker 2: and I'm it says exclusive Pooka in rehab after a

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Speaker 2: Is it fake? But you gotta be careful? And then

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Speaker 2: I looked at like Schefter Rapaport always nobody had anything.

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Speaker 2: within like an hour, Schefter Rappaport and everybody confirm it

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Speaker 2: is official. Puka Nikua's attorney says Pooka is at a

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Speaker 2: recovery center. Puka in early March, before any restraining order

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Speaker 2: was filed and denied by the court, Pooka voluntary entered,

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Speaker 2: voluntarily entered a holistic care facility to focus on his

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Speaker 2: personal growth. Just let that sink in very California for you.

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Speaker 2: Entered a holistic care facility to focus on his personal growth. Huh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, do you? So then

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Speaker 2: I go back to the story and in the New

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Speaker 2: York Post it says checks into Malibu rehab after alleged incident.

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Speaker 2: So we know he had the drunken incident. You can

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Speaker 2: go find the videos out there. He was allegedly hammered

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Speaker 2: this is what the New York California Post, sorry wrote.

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Speaker 2: The rehab center is one that vows to use special

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Speaker 2: treatments to help patients who are battling issues including drug

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Speaker 2: really excited for how he's gonna look next year. For

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Speaker 2: So tough times for the Rams. Remember, for the last

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Speaker 2: I saw this Jalen Hurt story and I was a

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Speaker 2: little confused. So inside the friction between Jalen Hurts and

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Speaker 2: just feels like, for whatever reason, there is this odd

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Speaker 2: you he is thirteen months removed from being the Super

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is in the crossroads. And again I didn't

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Speaker 2: think there was anything awful in the story. It's just

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Speaker 2: a lot of small things where Jalen Hurts is kind

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Speaker 2: People are a little surprised, Oh my gosh, this is

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Speaker 2: And again, I didn't think it was a bad story,

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Speaker 2: but it definitely looks like a Jalen Hurts hit job. Now,

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Speaker 2: whenever these stories come out like this, Rob one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite things to do is why is this story

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Speaker 2: coming out? Who is planting this? And my only theory

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Speaker 2: and again this is not I don't want Big Dom

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Speaker 2: this has Nick Sirianni's fingerprints all over it. Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 2: got credit. Sirianni did not. And every time there's a loss, Wow,

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Speaker 2: Sirianni's a buffoon. This guy hasn't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: recall rob a time where thirteen months after winning a

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Speaker 2: but he was good most of the metrics, Top fifteen quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He didn't totally fall off a cliff. Obviously, everybody knows

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Speaker 2: He's giving you, I think you like to say fortune

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Speaker 2: Who knows, but it just feels like there's this weird

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Speaker 2: they trade Hurts in the year. I'm like, guys, thirteen

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Speaker 2: I was taken aback by this. Now there's been a

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Speaker 3: Well, first off, let me just say that we need

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Speaker 3: not with Jeremy fallerdy at a great piece that came

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Speaker 3: it was being completed or done by Jalen Hurts. When

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Speaker 3: because obviously they're totally different players. Hurts has had much

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Speaker 3: more success than Carson Wentz ever had, But what he's

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Speaker 3: saying is there was a clear disconnect between the quarterback

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Speaker 3: And what gun said back in November was with the

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Speaker 3: don't be surprised if the Eagles looked to draft a

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Speaker 2: That's so disrespectful Super Bowl MVP give him a big contract.

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Speaker 2: So interestingly buried in the article, it's oh, here are

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Speaker 2: the Eagles ocason Jalen Hurts. They had Doug Peterson as

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Speaker 2: wildcard Remember that bad game against Tampa Stichen stayed on

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Speaker 2: and they went to the Super Bowl. Hurts was extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: they tried to kind of placate the quarterback. They lose

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you, what does Nick Sirianni want

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the NBA again, the big game tonight.

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Speaker 2: Lakers Thunder sixty win, Thunder fifty win, Lakers. Lakers went

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Speaker 3: What that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they've had many, many good teams. It won

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Speaker 2: what's interesting. This MVP thing's get getting spicy, and I'm

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Speaker 2: It's overwhelmingly SGA all the time. Here's my case. What

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Speaker 2: case for SGA essentially boils down to, well, his team

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Speaker 2: So just for fun, rob I went and looked. I said, hmm,

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Speaker 2: last year SGA was on the had the best record,

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Speaker 2: Did they have the best record? Rob, Nope, third best record.

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Speaker 2: Go back to twenty twenty two, Jokich MVP. How about

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Speaker 2: So what are we doing here? We're just picking the

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Speaker 2: We haven't done that. We haven't been consistently doing that.

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Speaker 2: So what is it? And Rob? I keep coming back

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Speaker 2: can't give it to him now. And Luca, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the guy just got suspended for seventeen technical fouls or

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Speaker 2: to SGA, really because that rob I looked at a

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Speaker 2: SGA's ahead of Luca, but SGA's behind jo Kic. Number

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Speaker 2: one is Giannis, which is wacky and maybe shows a

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Speaker 2: and then you go win shares. SGA's one, cool, jokis

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Speaker 2: rebounds per game. Obviously, Jokich leads the league. Lucas the

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Speaker 2: is not in anywhere near the top Triple doubles Lucas first,

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Speaker 2: And you start looking at all the numbers, Well, SGA

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Speaker 2: What are we doing? What does most valuable mean? Because

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Speaker 2: I don't want If your argument is well SGA's on

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Speaker 2: It doesn't because you haven't done that every year. If

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Speaker 2: you want to do that every year, just announce it.

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Speaker 2: That's how we're going to give the award. Whoever's team

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Speaker 2: carried them without j Dubb, I could say kind of,

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Speaker 2: they have a great roster. I gotta give Sam Presty credit.

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Speaker 2: I blasted him for years after trading James Harden. I

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Speaker 2: the Lakers roster is not as good as a thunder.

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Speaker 2: I still think the Lakers could bet them in a series.

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Speaker 2: I'm an idiot, Fine, I get it, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: So Rob, I think it's less about present the case

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Speaker 2: for Luca as it is. Well, wait a minute, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: away the best team. Nobody was even close. SGA was incredible.

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Speaker 2: But what's the argument this year? Because they're not far

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Speaker 2: And if the Lakers can somehow beat them tonight. I

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Speaker 2: don't think they will, but I'm rooting for him, then

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Speaker 2: that closes a gap. Even more so, I'm mostly curious, Rob,

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Speaker 3: Well, first off, you sound a lot like Lebron James,

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Speaker 3: because Lebron has gone on this rat many times saying

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Speaker 3: the MVP criteria is ridiculous because it changes year to year.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's the best stats, sometimes the best player, the

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Speaker 3: best team. Sometimes it's the guy who surprises us, like

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Speaker 3: there is no rhyme or reason as to how they're

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Speaker 3: going to vote year in a year out. So that

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Speaker 3: point is well taken and it's you're in good company

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Speaker 3: with that one. As far as SGA, I think it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of just confirmation bias. Like you mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: best player, best team. He's the most clutch player in

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Speaker 3: the NBA in terms of points and clutch moments, even

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Speaker 3: though they don't have a lot of clutch games. That's

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Speaker 3: how good he's been. The efficiency is off the charge

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Speaker 3: for a guard, and they're doing a lot of it

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Speaker 3: without J Dub and a lot of their roster in

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Speaker 3: and out of the lineup cause they're so deep. They

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Speaker 3: are very conservative when it comes to injuries because they

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Speaker 3: have so many guys like, hey, don't rush it. We

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Speaker 3: have three other dudes that can do exactly what you do, right,

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Speaker 3: so don't worry about it. That's the case for him,

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is there has been a narrative

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Speaker 3: shift throughout the NBA when it comes to the other

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Speaker 3: guys in this class. So when it's Luka Doncic. The

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Speaker 3: argument against him has always been, well, the defense is terrible.

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Speaker 3: The defense is terrible. The defense is terrible, But if

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Speaker 3: you look at metrics, he's actually a not saying a

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Speaker 3: good defender, but a very above average defender when it

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Speaker 3: comes to isolation defense steals per game from a guard position,

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Speaker 3: Like there are the OLA players. I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: say he doesn't have them, But to say that he's

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Speaker 3: that bad at a defender is just you not watching

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Speaker 3: the games.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what's the name of that stat isolation defense? Where

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Speaker 2: is that on NBA dot com.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can look up like points per isolation possession.

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Speaker 3: I believe that his defense is better than Ogannanobi. It's

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Speaker 3: better than like other all NBA type defenders because he's

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Speaker 3: because he's hunted so often. It's like he gets a

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Speaker 3: lot of chances to get stops, so it kind of

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Speaker 3: works in his favor pros and cons. So if you're

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Speaker 3: saying that he's a terrible defenders because you're not watching

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Speaker 3: the games, because recently, I know he had a stretch

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Speaker 3: where he was pretty bad. The last two or three months,

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Speaker 3: he's been awesome Offensively, He's been incredible when it comes

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Speaker 3: to Victor Winbanyama. It took wemby saying himself, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 3: defense is fifty percent of the court in NBA, And

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you follow the prediction markets, he

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Speaker 3: went from a five percent chance of winning the MVP

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Speaker 3: to twenty seven percent overnight. His stats did not change.

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Speaker 3: He actually had a bad game the night after he

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Speaker 3: said that. But because he pointed out that defense matters,

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Speaker 3: suddenly he's at the top of the NBA dot Com

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Speaker 3: Power rankings and the prediction markets have him at like

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Speaker 3: five times better odds. Nikola Jokic, if we're just going

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Speaker 3: stats wise, is having arguably the single greatest season we've

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Speaker 3: ever seen. He's gonna leave the NBA in rebounds an assists.

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Speaker 3: He's averaging almost to almost thirty points a game. And

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Speaker 3: to his point, everybody on his team was hurt, mostly

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Speaker 3: seas Aaron Gordon was out, Peyton Watson was out, Christian

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Speaker 3: Brown was out, Jamal Murray's and out of the lineup.

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Speaker 3: And still he has them right in the smack thick

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Speaker 3: of a top four seeding in the Western Conference. But

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Speaker 3: because as you mentioned, hey, he's already got his the

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Speaker 3: numbers don't really mean as much anymore. If you're not

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Speaker 3: winning at the high clip the way Wemby and SGA are,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, well.

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Speaker 1: Then what is it? Is it?

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Speaker 3: Defense is the most Woran thing? That's why it's Wemby?

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Speaker 3: Is it Offense is the most portant thing. That's why

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Speaker 3: it's Luca? Is it total? Rosstat's the most portant thing?

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Speaker 3: That's why it's jok Or is it just Hey, best player,

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Speaker 3: best team. SGA is actually having a better season this

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Speaker 3: year they did last year, So of course he's the MVP,

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Speaker 3: even though we're not actually seriously considering these other dudes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like how it's kind of constantly moving around.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's similar to the Heisman, Like sometimes they decide, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're just gonna give it to the guy who had

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Speaker 2: the best career, and there really is no metric even

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Speaker 2: an NFL MVP. Essentially it comes down to the to

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Speaker 2: the writers and who they like and who they don't like, right,

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Speaker 2: and if Lamar Jackson got too well it's time to

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Speaker 2: give Josh Allen one. They're all close. Let's just give

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Speaker 2: it to Josh. I mean, don't you don't you sense

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Speaker 2: that that sometimes is the thought process to boil it

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Speaker 2: down to like like Yogi already has three. I can

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Speaker 2: tell you now, they're not gonna vote for him, Rob, No,

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Speaker 2: they're not.

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Speaker 3: The press, the precedent, and what's say like when he

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Speaker 3: was gonna go for the third straight, they're like, no,

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Speaker 3: we cannot have another guy because he's automatic with Larry

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Speaker 3: Bird and then suddenly he's a top seven player ever

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Speaker 3: with the only one championship. We can't do that. And

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Speaker 3: to my point about the Luca isolation defense, this was

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Speaker 3: as recently as a week and a half ago, so

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Speaker 3: obviously the numbers haven't updated, but at the time, Luca

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Speaker 3: was allowing point eighty four points per possession in isolation defense,

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Speaker 3: identical to Aman Thompson, better than Jada McDaniel's, better than Ogiannanoby.

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Speaker 3: Here's the more stats for you, top ten and steels,

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Speaker 3: top seven in charges drawn, ninety fifth percent tile and

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Speaker 3: shots contested, eighty seven percent tile in rim contests. So again,

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Speaker 3: if you're saying that Luca is from lucas people who

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Speaker 3: are from his people, yes they're crazy. So again that's

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Speaker 3: from the athletic. So again, if you're saying Luca is

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Speaker 3: a bad defender, you're not watching the games, you're just

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Speaker 3: running with the narrative because you've heard people say he's

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Speaker 3: a bad defender.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, So are you of the belief what is there,

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Speaker 2: like two weeks left in the season, that any of

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Speaker 2: this will sway the voters or are they just dead?

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Speaker 2: I know people aren't gonna like to hear this. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that people writers like Luka doncic No. I

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Speaker 2: don't think they do. And then so they didn't like

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Speaker 2: him when he was a nice story in Dallas, but

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Speaker 2: he complained a lot. Then he goes to the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: and I think you had there's a tax. Remember we've

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Speaker 2: talked about the Lakers tax when it comes to trades.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a tax when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: Lakers in regarding MVP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you here's another one. It's not

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Speaker 3: even just Luca. It's a Lakers tax, period because I

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Speaker 3: saw a Lakers film room. I don't know if you

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00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: follow them, but they did a whole long form episode

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Speaker 3: about why Lakers players historically do not win major awards.

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Speaker 3: So since the last fifteen years, the Wizards are the

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Speaker 3: only team with fewer top three finishes for major awards

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Speaker 3: than the Lakers. What the Lakers in the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Last I've checked, I've had Kobe Bryant, Pale gasol Lebron James,

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Speaker 3: Anthony Davis, Luka, Doncic, and the only team with fewer

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Speaker 3: top three finishes is the Wizards.

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Speaker 2: Top three finishes in what.

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Speaker 3: In major awards, MVP, Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player,

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Speaker 3: that you're so on and so forth. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: the Lakers have won zero NBA awards the last five

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Speaker 3: times they won a championship.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Now, where is that athletic as well?

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Speaker 3: No, that's Lakers film room.

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Speaker 2: Holy smokes, damn Rob bringing the noise in the funk.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So listen. I'm sorry if you if

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Speaker 2: you're if you're in La listening to this, you don't

563
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: like the Slippers, you like the Lakers. But if you're

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Speaker 2: in the rest of the country, I get it, you're

565
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: like Jay, Stop enough Lakers. Are you hearing this from Rob?

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Speaker 2: The numbers don't lie, men lie, women lie, numbers don't lie,

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Speaker 2: and the Lakers are getting shafted. All right, enjoy the

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Speaker 2: game back tomorrow. See you then,