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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Hi,

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Speaker 1: friends and listeners, welcome back to another work in progress.

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Speaker 1: It is definitely a week for the whips murtys. I

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Speaker 1: know y'all are engaged. I know you care about what's

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Speaker 1: are both joining us today. Congressman Eric Swalwell is here

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Speaker 1: and one of my best friends and one of the

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Speaker 1: as well. Eric is an absolute legend. He represents the

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Speaker 1: people of California's fourteenth congressional district up in the East Bay.

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Speaker 1: He has served on the House Intelligence Committee, overseeing the CIA.

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Speaker 1: On that committee, he has helped lead the House in

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Speaker 1: the first and second impeachments of Donald Trump. He was

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Speaker 1: on the House floor on January sixth and has done

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Speaker 1: House Judiciary and Homeland Security Committees, which is why I

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Speaker 1: really wanted to talk to him about Signal Gate. And

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Speaker 1: he is the chairman emeritus and founder of Future Forum,

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Speaker 1: a group of young Democratic members that are focused on

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Speaker 1: issues and opportunities for millennial Americans. He's also a dad,

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Speaker 1: a husband, and an absolute lovely friend. And then we

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Speaker 1: get onto Jordan. He is one of the most brilliant

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Speaker 1: and entertainment. He really works to drive progressive social change

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Speaker 1: and for more than fifteen years he has advised local, state,

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Speaker 1: and national political campaigns, from Secretary John Kerrey's campaign in

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Speaker 1: He is absolutely brilliant at gathering people to ensure that

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Speaker 1: He's helped advance legislation and advocacy campaigns for issues that

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Speaker 1: And as if he's not busy enough, he is a

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Speaker 1: working to end Extreme Poverty by twenty thirty. He is

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Speaker 1: an advisor to represent US, a bipartisan organization that brings

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to both of these gentlemen

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Speaker 1: remain both engaged and hopeful With Eric and Jordan, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I am so glad you are both here today. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you are one of my best friends, always one of

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Speaker 1: you both for coming. Obviously, everything's nuts. We are two

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Speaker 1: Will you each tell us a little bit about your

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Speaker 1: jobs today. You know what you do, what keeps you busy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, I work in Congress. I've been doing this

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Speaker 2: Actually have thought a couple of different ways that I would,

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Speaker 2: me think I can't leave. I can't leave the fight.

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Speaker 2: Like you're in the fight, You're in the fight. We're

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Speaker 3: But Jordan.

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Speaker 2: What I admire about Jordan is he's a doer, Like

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Speaker 4: It's a It really is an honor and I don't

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Speaker 4: And so if you know, I adore you, and it

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Speaker 1: Half the day we did it. Yeah, And now.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, we know that nobody really gets

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Speaker 5: Before we met in person.

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Speaker 4: And there's youth is not something that comes up a

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Speaker 5: In positions of great power.

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Speaker 4: And so for somebody to have gotten to where you

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Speaker 4: And there's just a handful of people like you that

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Speaker 3: So he was plain Jordan Sophia.

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Speaker 2: I ran when I was thirty one, and I ran

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Speaker 2: So as I look at it, like my district for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not only is it so important, I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you brought that up, because in

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Speaker 2: And then the next term she would appoint me to

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Speaker 3: And so I had the opportunity to sit next to her,

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Speaker 2: She you know, there's still such a deep power divide

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Speaker 2: I was able to do. But I saw in Speaker Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, learn, that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: is being downplayed. It seems like what's up is down

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Speaker 1: It seems like not just that the double standards have

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Speaker 1: gotten so crazy, but that we have really lost the

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Speaker 1: plot on facts. And I think the fact, you know, fact, science, truth,

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Speaker 1: constitution kind of have to be the foundation of the house.

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Speaker 1: Like we've all got to have a foundation based on justice,

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Speaker 1: not someone's opinion about their faith. Because to your point, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you can't rule that way because then what if someone

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Speaker 1: who had a faith it isn't your faith was ruling.

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Speaker 1: How would you feel about that? Like, we need the

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Speaker 1: law to sort of be our spot, and it seems

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of lawlessness going on that I

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Speaker 1: can't quite understand because as a as a citizen, as

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Speaker 1: a concerned constituent, it feels like, no matter how you vote,

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Speaker 1: some of this stuff should bother you. I think Number one,

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Speaker 1: this signal leak, which, by the way, just for our

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Speaker 1: friends at home, Jordan and Eric and I scheduled this chat.

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Speaker 1: I was like, can y'all just give me and the

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Speaker 1: listeners some perspective on this first sixty to ninety days

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Speaker 1: of this new administration? And then highly classified top secret

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Speaker 1: information was leaked on a non secured devices on personal

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Speaker 1: phones on a social media app. And then people tried

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Speaker 1: to say it wasn't a big deal, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: huh so can we start there? I mean a couple

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Speaker 1: of facts I just have to list for the people.

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Speaker 1: High ranking officials in the administration shared war plans on

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Speaker 1: a group chat, again on a social media app, not

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Speaker 1: secure plans that are not meant to be viewed or

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Speaker 1: discussed outside of a skiff and they accidentally put a

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Speaker 1: journalist on the group chat, like this is the kind

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Speaker 1: of embarrassing drunk thing you might do in college when

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Speaker 1: you put the person who's surprise party you're planning on

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Speaker 1: the chat at two am, or like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that's a very positive you know, what if? What does

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Speaker 1: this mean? And what is what is true?

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Speaker 4: I just wish everyone who's listening could see the resign

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Speaker 4: face you just made.

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Speaker 5: Put your hands over your eyes like this this.

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Speaker 1: Guy, literally, I'm like, how do I even ask the question?

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Speaker 1: This is so insane, I can't believe it's happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, it shows one like how dumb they are and

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Speaker 2: should not be in charge of our safety, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: my first job, no matter what I do, is to

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Speaker 2: keep the people I represent safe, Like when we feel safe,

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Speaker 2: nothing else can happen, right, Not like you can't have commerce,

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Speaker 2: you can't have education, but you can't do anything else

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Speaker 2: until you feel safe. So that's the president's first job

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Speaker 2: is to make us safe. And these idiots failed that test.

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Speaker 2: Then they lied about it, right, They compounded their inability

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Speaker 2: to keep us safe by just gaslighting the American people

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Speaker 2: about it. And they did it as if like there

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Speaker 2: would be no penalty for it at all. And they've

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Speaker 2: been proven right because my Republican colleagues don't want to

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Speaker 2: talk about it at all. And I'll say, like, I

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Speaker 2: think my Democratic colleagues like have, with what little resources

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Speaker 2: we have been in the minority, have a lot of

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Speaker 2: resources as far as like communication and building. Public sentiment

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Speaker 2: certainly have elevated. You know that these guys are not

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Speaker 2: going to keep us safe. I do want to say,

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Speaker 2: though it is dark as it feels right now, public

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Speaker 2: sentiment is working. For example, you're seeing on the President's

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Speaker 2: like big beautiful bill as he keeps calling it, where

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Speaker 2: he's going to take, you know, nine hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 2: and give tax cuts to the wealthiest people. And you know,

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Speaker 2: no one that we know or anyone who needs help

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Speaker 2: is going to get it. It's going to be a

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Speaker 2: billionaire bro tax package. Public sentiment has been so hard

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Speaker 2: and so strongly against that that they're already stories this

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Speaker 2: week that they're actually considering raising the highest income level brackets.

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Speaker 2: So to anyone who's like does any of this matter,

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Speaker 2: you know, what are you going to do? We can't

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Speaker 2: wait for the midterms, Like we're already seeing that you know,

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Speaker 2: the public sentiment like protesting and being engaged and whatever

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Speaker 2: the outcome is going to be in Wisconsin and Florida,

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to go our way. That it's

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Speaker 2: moving the administration and it's affecting what they're going to do,

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Speaker 2: which to me, he just means we can't stop, we

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Speaker 2: can't let up.

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Speaker 3: Same thing in the courts.

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Speaker 2: We've won nearly forty cases in the courts, and so

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Speaker 2: what are they doing right? They're trying to impeach judges

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Speaker 2: now because they see that, oh, they have found an

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Speaker 2: effective path not just democratic appointed judges, but judges appointed

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Speaker 2: by Reagan and Bush and are siding with us. And

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Speaker 2: so the courts can be speed bumps. And I say

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Speaker 2: all of this because we essentially have to live. We

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Speaker 2: have to allow democracy to live long enough so it

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Speaker 2: can hopefully live forever. That means get through these court

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Speaker 2: cases when in Wisconsin, win in New Jersey and Virginia

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Speaker 2: and the governor's races this year, have the electoral infrastructure

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Speaker 2: where you can have free and fair elections in the midterms,

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Speaker 2: win the midterms, and then cut our time and.

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Speaker 1: Hell, yes, in half. But here's what drives me crazy. Congressman,

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Speaker 1: and you said it. There seems to be no accountability exists,

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Speaker 1: Telsey Gabbert. These people perjured themselves under oath testifying to

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Speaker 1: elected officials about what was in that group chat. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to impeach judges that are impartial, and

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Speaker 1: he's calling them Obama judges, Democrat judges. You said it,

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Speaker 1: some of them were appointed by President Bush. They are

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Speaker 1: weaponizing identity and they are lying about it. And I

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Speaker 1: am frustrated as a citizen because calling for the impeachment

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Speaker 1: of judges who won't do your bidding when your bidding

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Speaker 1: is to break American law is fascism. Making people bend

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Speaker 1: the knee in advance is fascism. These insane executive orders

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Speaker 1: against law firms that are now committing to do tens

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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars in pro bono work to defend

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Speaker 1: Trump's indefensible legal desires. It really, I mean disappearing people

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Speaker 1: to Venezuelan gulags like the canaries in the coal mines

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Speaker 1: are they're past singing, they're dying, and it seems like

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Speaker 1: nobody's paying attention or doing anything about it. And I understand,

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, how important it is for people

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Speaker 1: to see how depraved the administration wants to be. I

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Speaker 1: understand that we are so lucky that that journalist was

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Speaker 1: added to that group chat because at least we had

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Speaker 1: a whistleblower. Because to be clear, for the folks listening

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Speaker 1: at home, things happening in that group chat aren't happening

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Speaker 1: in a secure channels, but be monitored channels, which means

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Speaker 1: they would have been had we not found out about this.

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Speaker 1: It would have been very hard to foil any of

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Speaker 1: these records, which is the Freedom of Information Act. For

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Speaker 1: folks at home who might not be as politically obsessed

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Speaker 1: as the three of us are. They're trying to be

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Speaker 1: to erase accountability and we know it. And then they lied,

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Speaker 1: and then they lied under oath, and now what the

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Speaker 1: Republicans don't want to talk about it, but I actually

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Speaker 1: believe this is the kind of thing that should unite

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Speaker 1: all of us, from the most liberal to the most conservative.

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Speaker 1: This is an attack on the safety of our nation

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Speaker 1: and on our national security, and the call is coming

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Speaker 1: from inside the House. So how do we call for

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Speaker 1: accountability if the people in majority power don't want it

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Speaker 1: because it's their people doing the bad shit Like are

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Speaker 1: the Democrats going to call for HEGXECHT resign? I know

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Speaker 1: you already have. What what do we do from here?

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Speaker 1: How do we stop this? Because right now it feels

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Speaker 1: like we have no It feels like we have no

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Speaker 1: AMMO in this fight.

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Speaker 2: Right So we have, as I said, we have public sentiment.

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Speaker 2: We have congressional hearings where we can put every official

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Speaker 2: now on notice. When they come testified, we can ask them,

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Speaker 2: are you using signal chat to communicate? You know? Are

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Speaker 2: you discussing classified you know, information in non secure spaces?

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Speaker 2: Are you using your personal phones? And you lock them

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Speaker 2: in on those answers, because winning the House means that

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Speaker 2: you can then bring accountability, you know, if they were lying.

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Speaker 2: But again that's not the only thing that we can do.

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Speaker 3: And on the.

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Speaker 2: Judges, I'll just say small victories will lead to big

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Speaker 2: victories for us. But something today in a Judiciary committee hearing,

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Speaker 2: it was set a couple of weeks ago when Trump was,

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Speaker 2: you know, tweet raging about impeaching judges, Musk was saying,

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Speaker 2: let's impeach judges. This like brand new member of Congress

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Speaker 2: from Texas who's just looking to like raise money, introduces

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Speaker 2: articles of impeachment that he has no intention of actually

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Speaker 2: following up onnie, just doing it to please Trump. So

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Speaker 2: he gets his hearing today in the Judiciary Committee and

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Speaker 2: they bring in New Gingrich is their witness to talk

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Speaker 2: about like judges. And then the funniest thing happened. Not

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Speaker 2: a single Republican on the committee other than the moron

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Speaker 2: who wrote the articles of impeachment that he won't even

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Speaker 2: move on, supported impeaching judges, not even New Gingrich. And

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Speaker 2: so what that tells me is that this was like

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Speaker 2: popular three or four weeks ago. Wow, as we are

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Speaker 2: turning public sentiment against Trump and Musk because of the

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Speaker 2: signal chat issues, because of the terrorists, because of the

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Speaker 2: tax cuts, and because of what he's doing to the.

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Speaker 1: Rule of law, I mean, the federal workers losing their jobs,

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Speaker 1: the slashing of USAID.

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Speaker 2: So we created this So in this hearing today where

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Speaker 2: I was ready, you know, to go in, you know,

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Speaker 2: ready to row down for democracy in our debate, and

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Speaker 2: they didn't even no one wanted to defend it. And

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Speaker 2: so that means to me, we created like a hot stove, right,

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Speaker 2: we created a hot stove that they didn't want to touch.

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Speaker 2: And so they didn't go in there wanting to defend

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Speaker 2: Trump on this, So we just have them creating hot

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Speaker 2: stoves that they don't touch, so that you know, none

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Speaker 2: of us, you know, suffer the consequences and that small victory.

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Speaker 3: But as I said, small victories will lead to big victories.

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Speaker 4: Eric, I call you all the time when I think

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Speaker 4: the most lucid, easy to understand example that's been given

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Speaker 4: about what it's like to be in a number of

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Speaker 4: congress these days comes from you. When you gave the

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Speaker 4: WWE analogy can you And it just helped me to understand,

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Speaker 4: you know, just the sort of two faced nature of

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Speaker 4: public and private.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, will you give that to us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sophia, it took me a while to realize that

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Speaker 2: I work with pro wrestlers. And what I mean is

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Speaker 2: that when we're in a committee hearing, we're on the

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Speaker 2: House floor, or they're on Fox News, they are like

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Speaker 2: one persona like they're the ultimate warrior, the.

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Speaker 3: Under the rock whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I would start running into these guys, you know,

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Speaker 2: behind the committee room and like we call it an

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Speaker 2: ante room, it's just off or at the Congressional gym,

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Speaker 2: or just like bumping into them at the Dunkin Donuts line,

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Speaker 2: and they would like come up to me and they'd.

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Speaker 3: Be like hey, swall, well, hey buddy, like how are

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Speaker 3: you doing?

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Speaker 2: And like I would look at them like they have

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Speaker 2: three heads because they had just like scorched me personally

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Speaker 2: on Fox News or in a hearing. And I came

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Speaker 2: to realize that, like to them, it's just the persona

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Speaker 2: they have to carry, Like they can hit me over

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Speaker 2: the head with the steel chair when we're in the ring,

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Speaker 2: you know, like in the committee hearing, but backstage when

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Speaker 2: there's no camera for them to perform to just two

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Speaker 2: guys doing a gig, and I'm like, wait, but like

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Speaker 2: it's not a gig, like yeah, and the fans that

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Speaker 2: you are trying to please or called constituents when you're

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Speaker 2: in He's second.

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Speaker 3: Impeachment of Trump.

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Speaker 2: When I was one of the prosecutors in the Senate,

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Speaker 2: I had made this presentation about like the violence of

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Speaker 2: the day, and I had the police officer portion of

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Speaker 2: the presentation and it was very emotional, and even Mitch

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Speaker 2: McConnell was like sitting in the front row like wiping

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Speaker 2: a tear from his wow, because we're washing police officers

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Speaker 2: just being crushed and then we take a break and

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Speaker 2: I go to the bathroom and as I'm washing my hands,

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Speaker 2: I see in the sink next to me, Ted Cruz

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Speaker 2: washing his hands and he looks over at me and

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Speaker 2: he drives his hands and he puts his fist out

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Speaker 2: and he goes, hey, I'm Ted. And I look at

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Speaker 2: him and I'm like, with my fist, hey Ted. And

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Speaker 2: you can tell I'm so confused because the night before

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Speaker 2: he was on Fox News calling Adam Schiff and me

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Speaker 2: out by name, saying the worst thing, and he goes,

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Speaker 2: I want you to know you're doing a really good.

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Speaker 3: Job out there. He goes, no, I mean it, And I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, like, what is he talking about?

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Speaker 3: But again it's just like it's just like what's crazy?

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Speaker 2: So and that there are a few of them, though,

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Speaker 2: I will give like Marjorie Taylor Green not a pro wrestler,

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Speaker 2: like she believes her crazy, and I respect that.

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Speaker 3: I actually respect somebody who's like this is what I believe.

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Speaker 2: It may be, like Battie, But like what I don't respect,

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Speaker 2: but I have a harder time squaring is people who

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Speaker 2: actually know better and they just do it anyway because

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Speaker 2: they think, yeah, the you know, politicainment or like political theater.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is hard to.

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Speaker 4: Blame those people that because that is the only thing

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Speaker 4: that has been rewarded on the right. And you know,

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Speaker 4: like when Trump was elected for the first time in

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Speaker 4: the primaries in twenty sixteen and got the nomination, nobody

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Speaker 4: else was really kind of only playing to that fox

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Speaker 4: crowd or only playing to like the most fringe elements

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Speaker 4: on the right. And what Trump did is make the

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Speaker 4: fringe the center of that party. And it's like, so

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Speaker 4: now to compete, you have to mimic him. No one

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Speaker 4: can quite do it right, And so you know, if

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Speaker 4: it wasn't so high stakes, you would almost feel sorry

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Speaker 4: for them, you know, because they look so ridiculous trying

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Speaker 4: to do this. But it's like, like you said, it's

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Speaker 4: like the stakes are too high, Like this isn't supposed

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Speaker 4: to be entertainment, but like.

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Speaker 2: It is kind of yeah, correctionally analogy, It's like there's

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Speaker 2: this royal rumble right now where they're all competing to

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Speaker 2: like who can outdo the other and Trump, right, Like

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Speaker 2: one of them wants to put Trump on Mount Rushmore,

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Speaker 2: one of them two hundred dollars Bill, one of them

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Speaker 2: wants to rename Dulles after Trump.

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Speaker 3: So it's just like this pathetic effort to.

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Speaker 2: Just try and be the most in you know, service

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Speaker 2: to Trump among my colleagues and they all.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. It makes

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Speaker 1: me feel crazy because not only is it also stupid,

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Speaker 1: but as you said, Jordan, it is so high stakes.

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Speaker 1: This is life and death for people. When our veterans

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Speaker 1: lose their healthcare, and we know how many veterans commit

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Speaker 1: suicide in this country every week, that is life and death.

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Speaker 1: It is a betrayal of our people. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to say kids should go hungry in school feels like

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Speaker 1: a betrayal of who we are. And I guess what

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Speaker 1: frightens me about what trump Ism has unleashed is such

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Speaker 1: a movement of the Overton window. We have seen the

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Speaker 1: spectrum of acceptability get pushed so far into violence and

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Speaker 1: belittling and bullying. It's so classless and something I respect,

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Speaker 1: particularly about our country, about American people, about our working

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Speaker 1: class folks, like we have always had a level of honor.

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Speaker 1: We haven't always done everything right, but there has been

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Speaker 1: like a grit and a and some level of decorum

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Speaker 1: to what we believe in and it's just gone. And

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Speaker 1: the way that they talk about people, in the way

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Speaker 1: that they talk about women in the way it's just

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Speaker 1: like it. It pains me. And I guess I'm curious

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Speaker 1: in terms of how we communicate about this stuff, because

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Speaker 1: you said, Congressman, that public sentiment is working, and Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you are an incredible communicator out in the world to

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Speaker 1: explain why the political is personal, how everything that happens

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Speaker 1: in our world, everything around us, is a result of policy.

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Speaker 1: I'm breathing clean air on the East Coast right now

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Speaker 1: because of the EPA. I can trust the water that

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Speaker 1: comes out of my sink to drink because of policy.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious about the keep the pressure applied from

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Speaker 1: the public and how you see us doing that best, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: because I know that the protests happening around the country

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Speaker 1: aren't being covered on the mainstream news right now. We're

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Speaker 1: barely seeing them on Instagram. We got to go looking

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Speaker 1: to see tens of thousands of people in the street.

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Speaker 1: You know that big rally AOC and Bernie did in

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Speaker 1: Colorado just a few weeks ago, for example, How do

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Speaker 1: you encourage us to keep that foot on the gas

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Speaker 1: pedal of public sentiment. What's your advice for listeners who

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Speaker 1: want to be involved, who don't want to see federal

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Speaker 1: workers lose their jobs, veterans lose their healthcare, kids lose

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Speaker 1: access you know, to healthy start and snap. What do

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Speaker 1: we do because people feel overwhelmed because of this flood

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Speaker 1: zone strategy and I I don't want us to risk

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Speaker 1: the momentum of sentiment.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a.

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Speaker 4: Tough answer because the answer is essentially we have to

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Speaker 4: what I would say for people, find the person who

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Speaker 4: most represents you and your beliefs personally and support them.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I offer every member of Congress you know,

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Speaker 4: says call my office because that is the thing that

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Speaker 4: I really get a barometer on what people are thinking.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's really true, and Eric, you can

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Speaker 5: tell us.

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Speaker 4: But the other thing I would say is I often

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Speaker 4: look at, you know, members of Congress who I know

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Speaker 4: and admire. I'll look at their social media comments and

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Speaker 4: often it's like, yes, give them hell, you're fighting, thank you.

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Speaker 4: But just as often with the Democrats since Trump came

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Speaker 4: back into power, it's like, okay, okay, but this feels performative.

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Speaker 4: What are you actually doing? And I think it's important

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Speaker 4: to remind people that we are living in a truly

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Speaker 4: unprecedated moment in American history. The Democrats don't run anything

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Speaker 4: in our federal government, not the White House, not the Senate,

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Speaker 4: not the House of Representatives, and not the highly part

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Speaker 4: is Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: So it's the wrong question.

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Speaker 4: It's why or is the Republican Party accepting a reality

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Speaker 4: in which there is no red line. The President of

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Speaker 4: the United States can help our adversaries, can unwind one

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Speaker 4: hundred years of economic prosperity and protection of democracy around

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Speaker 4: the world and have no consequences. No senators privately coming

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Speaker 4: to the White House to be like, hey, you better

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Speaker 4: stop this year.

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Speaker 5: You're going to lose the support of Congress. I mean Nixon.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: President Clinton when he was impeached, had those types of

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Speaker 4: private things happening to him to sort of make sure

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Speaker 4: that they were responsive to the political realities of like, hey,

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Speaker 4: if you keep doing this, we're going to lose and

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Speaker 4: we're all use our seats and you got to stop

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Speaker 4: or you gotta resign. This is a moment in which

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Speaker 4: none of that is happening. And Donald Trump signed an

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Speaker 4: executive order this week to try to take over elections

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Speaker 4: and make it harder people. So they're literally doing everything

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Speaker 4: they can to where they can't lose.

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Speaker 2: And so there's this weird thing going on I think

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Speaker 2: with my colleagues where it's this wishful and you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: blame him for thinking it type of thinking, where well,

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Speaker 2: we can just keep enabling him, because if to Jordan's point,

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Speaker 2: Trump makes it harder for people to vote, and if

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is successful in Wisconsin and buying that election,

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Speaker 2: that I will have a ballot box that's harder to

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Speaker 2: get to and hold me accountable, and a billionaire willing

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Speaker 2: to bankroll my election so I'm invincible. So that that's

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Speaker 2: kind of the accountability problem that we have right now.

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Speaker 2: But to Jordan's point, that question in the comments on

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Speaker 2: social media, like what are you doing besides like giving us,

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Speaker 2: you know, a good show and a committee hearing, I

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Speaker 2: am telling like myself, our family and my constituents, we

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Speaker 2: all in our activism have to go.

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Speaker 3: One rung higher. So whatever we were.

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Speaker 2: Willing to do in the last election, for now we

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Speaker 2: have to go one rung higher. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to go a few rungs higher ultimately to save

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Speaker 2: this thing, but right now, just take yourself one wrung higher.

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Speaker 2: What I'm doing personally is I'm going to Republican districts

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Speaker 2: where they will not hold town halls, and I'm holding

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Speaker 2: a town hall. I was in Annapaulin and A Luna's

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Speaker 2: district two weekends ago. Six hundred people showed up. I

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Speaker 2: did it with the former Republican in Congress. We had

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Speaker 2: a fifteen hundred person wait list and we listened to

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Speaker 2: those constituents and there was talent in that crowd who

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Speaker 2: may end up being a candidate to run against her,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the future, and so committing to doing

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Speaker 2: that is my one rung hire to your listeners, I

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Speaker 2: would say, if you've never gone to a public protest,

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Speaker 2: go to your first public protests April five, there's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be one day of that centric.

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Speaker 2: If you've never gone to a city council meeting, go

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Speaker 2: to a city council meeting. If you've gone to a

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Speaker 2: city council meeting but you've never put yourself on the

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Speaker 2: agenda to speak, it's a public agenda speaking. But just

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Speaker 2: go one rung higher for now home personal activism, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it's going to take to get

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Speaker 2: us out of this hell that we're in now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that. When Jordan mentioned how important

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Speaker 1: it is for you guys to hear from callers, can

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Speaker 1: you give us a little bit inside baseball on that,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people are nervous to call their

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Speaker 1: elected representatives. They're not quite sure what to say, they're

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Speaker 1: not quite sure if it's going to be impactful. So

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Speaker 1: how much does that matter in congressional offices.

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Speaker 2: If that's the only thing you do, I would say,

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Speaker 2: probably won't make you feel that much better and it

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Speaker 2: probably won't move the needles too much for the congressional office.

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Speaker 2: But as I said, if you're willing, if that's all

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Speaker 2: you've ever done, if you're willing to go one rung

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Speaker 2: higher and also go to their town hall or go

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Speaker 2: to their office. There's been protests at different offices around

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Speaker 2: members who won't hold town halls. I think that starts

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Speaker 2: to add up because when you're a member and you're

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Speaker 2: seeing that the phone lines are you know, hot today,

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Speaker 2: and there's two hundred people outside in my congressional office

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Speaker 2: demanding that I hold it down, and my dms are

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Speaker 2: blowing up of people saying, you know why, won't you

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Speaker 2: talk to me like that? That reaches me and I

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Speaker 2: can be quite effective, and I you know, I get

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Speaker 2: a report every week of like what the call volume is,

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Speaker 2: what the email volume is, what the mail We call

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Speaker 2: it the mail report. And I also just like talking

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Speaker 2: to the interns and our staffers and I'll say like,

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Speaker 2: how is it on the phones, because I just want

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Speaker 2: the sense of what it's like And you can tell

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Speaker 2: if it's a stressful day because people are calling and

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Speaker 2: you know they're pissed off. So yes, that works, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work if you're the only one doing it,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't work if that's the only.

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Speaker 3: Thing that you're doing.

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Speaker 2: So we need a lot of people to do things

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Speaker 2: like that, and we need to do more more than

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Speaker 2: just you know, calling your rep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's a great website for our listeners

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Speaker 1: at home called five calls dot org that will help

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Speaker 1: you identify your reps, identify how to speak about the

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Speaker 1: issues that are important to you, and I think it's

872
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Speaker 1: a really great resource. I have an alarm on my

873
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: calendar that goes off every Monday, and it's like, call

874
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: your representatives once a week, takes ten minutes. Got to

875
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Speaker 1: do it, and I do think to continue to remind

876
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: your reps that they work for you. You know you

877
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: said it. Your job is to keep your constituents safe

878
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: and then to work to better their lives. And I

879
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: think a great way to remind people of how to

880
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: do that is to stay in communication. Can you give

881
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Speaker 1: me a little overview? I know we're coming up on time.

882
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I could talk to you both for hours.

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Speaker 3: Our former allies. I think my office has been like

884
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Speaker 3: a therapist couch for.

885
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: Ally and their leader to come in and just ask me, like,

886
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: what did we do wrong? I bet I'm just like

887
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 2: on this apology tour of like it's not you.

888
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: You're like you've you've done nothing wrong. This is crazy.

889
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: One of those means yeah, well, and thank you for

890
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Speaker 1: taking the time out of your day to come and

891
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: talk to us about this. Can you give us a

892
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: quick overview of things that listeners should be watching, Like

893
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: what are Trump and Musk coming for that people need

894
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: to know? We know it's healthcare, we know it's abortion access,

895
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: we know it's gay marriage, we know it's voting, we

896
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: know it's the VA, Like, are there things you really

897
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: want people to know they should be tracking?

898
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Speaker 3: And watching yes on this.

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Speaker 2: It's called reconciliation. That's the name of the procedural process.

900
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Speaker 2: But for Trump to give nearly a trillion dollars in

901
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Speaker 2: tax cuts to billionaires, republic Ks in Congress will have

902
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Speaker 2: to vote for it, and they have a very narrow majority.

903
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 2: And so watch who benefits and who loses who does

904
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Speaker 2: he take them? Right now, the only way for the

905
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: billionaires to get their tax cuts is for him to

906
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Speaker 2: take away healthcare and social security benefits.

907
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Speaker 3: Period.

908
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Speaker 2: We should be watching that as he tries to make

909
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: it harder to go to the ballot box. You're seeing

910
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: lawsuits being brought to stop and Leader Jeffries just brought

911
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: a lawsuit on behalf of House Democrats on one of

912
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: the executive orders that makes it a lot harder for

913
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Speaker 2: people to vote. Also, if you live in a democratic state,

914
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Speaker 2: meaning like you have a democratic governor, make sure that

915
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Speaker 2: your governors are maxing out democracy. Because we talk a

916
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Speaker 2: lot about voting rights and access to the polls, but

917
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Speaker 2: it's not like we're perfect in blue states. It's not

918
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Speaker 2: like you have voting lines of thirty minutes or less

919
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Speaker 2: in a blue state, right Like, there's still long lines

920
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Speaker 2: in states. So we should have high expectations on our

921
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Speaker 2: secretaries of state and governors in blue states that in

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Speaker 2: the lead up to this upcoming election where the midterms

923
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Speaker 2: are on the line, that we are maxing out democracy

924
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Speaker 2: and we are leading by example, not the lowest common

925
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Speaker 2: denominator as it relates to, like how people get to

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Speaker 2: the polls and are able to vote.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you so much, Thank you, Congressman.

928
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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask Jordan a last couple of questions,

929
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Speaker 1: but please go to your meeting. We're with you, We

930
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: love you, you.

931
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Speaker 3: Too, You're in it. I love it.

932
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: It inspires me, it reminds me why we all have

933
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Speaker 2: to stay in it, and just so grateful.

934
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Speaker 3: You could do anything else.

935
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Speaker 2: You have so many options, but you care about you know,

936
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Speaker 2: making sure our freedom and our opportunities do not evaporate

937
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Speaker 2: around the wall.

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Speaker 1: So I care about it the most. Thank you for that.

939
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Speaker 1: All right, see you guys, good luck out there. And

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Speaker 1: now a word from our sponsors that I I really

941
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Speaker 1: enjoy and I think you will too. Jordan, You're doing

942
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Speaker 1: a really cool thing that really makes me feel excited

943
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Speaker 1: because we do this a lot together. I mean, you're

944
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Speaker 1: one of the people I talked to about, as I

945
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: said earlier, everything going on in life, but certainly what's

946
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Speaker 1: going on in the world. And I've sat on many

947
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Speaker 1: a flight, in many a car canvassing, and certainly on

948
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Speaker 1: many a night in your backyard or mine over a

949
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Speaker 1: bottle of wine trying to figure out why people that

950
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Speaker 1: actually are so much more aligned than the algorithms or

951
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Speaker 1: these media silos would have us think, think they're so

952
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Speaker 1: far apart. And I think anytime you sit down with

953
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Speaker 1: people you know, you break bread, you meet their kids,

954
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Speaker 1: you spend time in their town, you realize we all

955
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Speaker 1: want a lot of the same things. You decided to

956
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Speaker 1: take those conversations out into the world and ask, what

957
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: if you're wrong, can you sit and talk to someone

958
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Speaker 1: who has a different opinion than you and make space

959
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: for their thoughts and feelings. Can you, you know, come

960
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Speaker 1: to some sort of mutual agreement. And you've done a

961
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Speaker 1: lot of those conversations over you know, dinners and and

962
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Speaker 1: at gatherings, but now you're doing it in this space,

963
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Speaker 1: in the podcast space. Why did you feel like this

964
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Speaker 1: was the moment and what do you think you've learned

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Speaker 1: so far?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for asking. Yeah, it is first of all, as somebody.

967
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Speaker 4: You know, your podcast is one of you know, it

968
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Speaker 4: doesn't that I subscribe to and listen to. And so

969
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Speaker 4: just first of all, respect because it's a lot harder

970
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Speaker 4: than I thought it was going to be so good

971
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Speaker 4: for you. The thing that there are two things that

972
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Speaker 4: made me made me do this. Number One, I married

973
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Speaker 4: the love of my life, who's family, you know, like

974
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Speaker 4: most American families has every political viewpoint represented, but several

975
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Speaker 4: people who are major Trump supporters and AREFK supporters who

976
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Speaker 4: are really excited about this new moment in our country.

977
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Speaker 4: And so I found and I love them and I

978
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Speaker 4: love spending time with them. And what I realized is

979
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Speaker 4: when I'm getting all these news alerts that make me

980
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Speaker 4: want to puke, they're like pumping their fists in the

981
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Speaker 4: air that they love them because it's not because they're

982
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Speaker 4: bad people.

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Speaker 5: It's because I mean.

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Speaker 4: First of all, they may have different values than me,

985
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Speaker 4: but we share a lot of the same values. But

986
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Speaker 4: really what it is is like they spend every waking

987
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Speaker 4: moment in a totally.

988
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Speaker 5: Different reality than I do.

989
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Speaker 4: Right, So everything that they are subscribed to or that

990
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Speaker 4: their algorithm shows them is representing this viewpoint. And I

991
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: think you know, we know that YouTube radicalized a lot

992
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Speaker 4: of people, right with the algorithm of like if you

993
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 4: like this, you're gonna like this, and then yeah, there

994
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 4: is this famous experiment that if you sign up with

995
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Speaker 4: no information about yourself and you want you know, within

996
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Speaker 4: like thirty videos, you're watching some fringe conspiracy videos. So

997
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Speaker 4: this has been something that is people aren't choosing to do.

998
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: It's happened to them, and it has broken our society.

999
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 4: And so the second reason is when Trump won the

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Speaker 4: first time, it was very close and a shock, and

1001
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Speaker 4: I think there was this sense among many of us

1002
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 4: that this is a fluke, you know, where there was

1003
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Speaker 4: something unique to like the right had vilified Hillary Clinton

1004
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: for so long that just like she couldn't like, yeah,

1005
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: but he won this time.

1006
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Speaker 5: It was not close. It wasn't a blowout, but you know,

1007
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 5: he won every battleground state.

1008
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Speaker 4: It was close in the popular root, but it was

1009
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Speaker 4: the kind of thing where like we all went to

1010
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,959
Speaker 4: bed that night knowing you was going So it wasn't

1011
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: like this drawn out thing.

1012
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Speaker 5: It really humbled me.

1013
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 4: And so what I realized is like, what can I

1014
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: do because it's not helping me to sort of just

1015
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: like stay in my bubble, but it's really uncomfortable to

1016
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Speaker 4: talk to people.

1017
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Speaker 5: You know, my husband and I had a.

1018
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Speaker 4: Baby, and there are like millions of people out there

1019
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: who think that's not okay or that it's wrong. And

1020
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Speaker 4: it's so tempting to just be like, put my little

1021
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: blinders on and be like everyone who's in my circle

1022
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 4: loves us and it's all good. But I'm not doing that,

1023
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Speaker 4: and I'm choosing to sort of engage in some of

1024
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Speaker 4: those tougher conversations where I think it's the only way

1025
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Speaker 4: out of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean part of the you know,

1027
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Speaker 1: the joy for me of my career is that it

1028
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Speaker 1: takes me to live in so many places around our

1029
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Speaker 1: country sometimes around the world. I'm always kind of tickled

1030
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: when I spend time with really conservative people and we

1031
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: get along really well, and they're like, I thought you

1032
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: were going to be a banshee, and I'm like, no,

1033
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Speaker 1: I just I just want us to care about each other.

1034
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Speaker 1: And if the media you are receiving isn't telling you

1035
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Speaker 1: about these true things, you know, the RFK of it all.

1036
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Speaker 1: For example, people are like, yeah, too many EPA regulations

1037
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: deregulate and I'm going y'all are worried about supposedly worried

1038
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: about heavy metals and foods. Do you know how they

1039
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: get there? They get there from environmental pollution. They get

1040
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: in the water and the soil, and then it's in

1041
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: the food we eat. And what bothers me is realizing

1042
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: that the right in particular has weaponized the gotcha moment.

1043
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: But they'll take the smallest slice of a whole big

1044
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: pie and say this slice is the information, and they

1045
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: leave out all the rest of the context, all the

1046
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: rest of the facts. And so you know, yesterday, for example,

1047
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Speaker 1: when Aaron Parness broke the news that they are removing

1048
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: the terms safe drinking water from EPA legislation, I'm going,

1049
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: this is going to hurt you, no matter how you've

1050
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: It's going to potentially poison my kids and yours. And

1051
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: so I think being willing to sit down with people

1052
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: and get us out of these silos, you know, get

1053
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Speaker 1: us out of the WWE energy that Congressman Swolwell was

1054
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: speaking about. I'll never forget years ago, a friend to

1055
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Speaker 1: you and I have in common, a comedian who shall

1056
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: remain nameless because I don't want to blow up a spot.

1057
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: But told me that because of a project he'd wound

1058
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Speaker 1: up spending some time with Tucker Carlson and was like,

1059
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: he's actually really smart and totally hates Trump and thinks

1060
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: the whole thing's bullshit, but knows all the rich people

1061
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: are making a ton of money, so they're going to

1062
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: go along with it for a little while. And you know,

1063
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: they don't assume America is going to blow up or anything.

1064
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, huh, Like we're saying this like

1065
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. You know, it's bullshit, but you know,

1066
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: it riles people up in their homes, It makes people upset,

1067
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Speaker 1: It makes people hate neighbors, it makes people not trust

1068
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Speaker 1: their doctors. It's not just a money grab. It has

1069
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: real consequences. And so I think when we can actually

1070
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: be with people and reconnect, it can hopefully push back

1071
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Speaker 1: against some of that really poisonous messaging one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: And I think there's this dynamic of something that's happening

1073
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Speaker 4: on the right and something that's happening simultaneously on the

1074
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Speaker 4: left that I think feeds what you just described. So

1075
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Speaker 4: on the left we could be a lot better. There

1076
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Speaker 4: are some people who are open to being allies with

1077
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 4: some of the groups we fight for. Yeah, they feel

1078
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: really a lot of pressure and nervousness around using the

1079
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Speaker 4: right terminology or saying something right.

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Speaker 5: And we know.

1081
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Speaker 4: Now that a lot of the online discourse that the

1082
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Speaker 4: left perpetuated alienated people who whatever with us on the issues,

1083
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 4: but they're kind of like, you guys are too much.

1084
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Speaker 4: At the same time, on the right, there's this famous

1085
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Speaker 4: John Lennon quote that's one of my favorite quotes.

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Speaker 5: It's so simple, don't hate what you don't understand. To me,

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Speaker 5: it just gets everything right.

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Speaker 4: So we know that with the gay rights movement, things

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Speaker 4: got a lot better for queer people. Once you had

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Speaker 4: a gay neighbor or a teacher or a coach, or

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Speaker 4: just someone that you knew in your lists that was gay,

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Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, I like this person. They should

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Speaker 4: have rights. Yeah, And you know, so that is the

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Speaker 4: natural trajectory. And so what they do on the right

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Speaker 4: is parody the most extreme examples.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So, with regard to gender, if one person posts on

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Speaker 4: Twitter my pronouns are like a tree. There is an

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Speaker 4: entire news cycle of the right wing media sphere that

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Speaker 4: is like, oh no, you can identify as a tree.

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Speaker 5: You know what's next?

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Speaker 4: You're going to identify as a spaceship when in reality,

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Speaker 4: ninety nine point nine percent of people who feel, you know,

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Speaker 4: who are non binary or have some gender not performing issue,

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Speaker 4: which is like a real thing. It's an actual thing,

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Speaker 4: and it's a serious.

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Speaker 1: And it's always been a thing. It's not new.

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Speaker 4: It takes so little effort and energy just to you know,

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Speaker 4: be human about it. But all of that is suddenly

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Speaker 4: non serious because they're expert at taking those French things.

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Speaker 5: And there's an.

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Speaker 4: Example with everything, yeah, of making something really fringe look like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is what the left's trying to do. When you

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Speaker 4: call on one, they don't want anyone to pick up right,

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Speaker 4: No more police because one guy got killed, you know,

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Speaker 4: on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: And you know, to me, like the most.

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Speaker 4: Haunting image so far of what you were describing earlier,

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Speaker 4: of like the bending the knee and the total subservience

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Speaker 4: of the major law firms. But was seeing them jackhammer

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Speaker 4: black lives matter the words black lives.

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Speaker 5: Matter jackhammering them, or the.

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Speaker 4: NFL taking the words end racism out of the end zone.

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Speaker 4: And it's like across the culture, government, business, the news media. Yeah, everyone,

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Speaker 4: there is a real cost, real or perceived but it

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Speaker 4: almost doesn't matter because the things that they are doing

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Speaker 4: are trying to placate Trump so he doesn't come after them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's scary. It's scary to give in to cruelty.

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Speaker 1: And what frustrates me is it's the opposite of efficient.

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Speaker 1: You have any idea how much money it costs to

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Speaker 1: jackhammer up three city blocks in Washington, DC and repave them? Yeah,

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: for what? You know, the cuts that we're seeing, you know,

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Speaker 1: cutting usaid when there's in a bullet outbreak in Africa,

1134
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Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing? And you know, medications

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Speaker 1: already on the ground, and these clinics are being told

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Speaker 1: throw it away, life saving medication, they're being told to

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Speaker 1: throw it away. The cruelty and the wastefulness is so

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Speaker 1: hard for me, but I agree with you. They they

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01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: message with these slogans that can be so far off

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Speaker 1: from what's true. And what it seems to have done,

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01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: in my observation is it's made it It's made truth

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Speaker 1: feel like a non necessity. People don't even care what's

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: true anymore. They're just tired. And that is scary. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, how do you encourage people to stay hopeful?

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01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: What helps you not just throw your hands up in

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01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: the air and go back to bed in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Aside from your perfect, precious little baby's so cute.

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Speaker 4: I try really hard to practice what I preach is

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Speaker 4: the first thing. So you know, I'm someone who has

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Speaker 4: spent twenty years trying to help Democrats win elections and

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Speaker 4: raise money in this really broken system where wealthy people

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Speaker 4: like you on. But he's certainly not the first. He's

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01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 4: just the largest contributor. But you know, our system is broken, right,

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01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 4: and we have to work with the system we have

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Speaker 4: in order to change it. But one of my favorite

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Speaker 4: personal sayings is you have to win elections in order

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Speaker 4: to govern. In order to help all these people that

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Speaker 4: we care about, we first have to win an election,

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Speaker 4: and that means you have to convince enough Americans that

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Speaker 4: we have better ideas.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 4: What I mean by practicing what I preach is, you know,

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Speaker 4: this analogy I use a lot is like we're at

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Speaker 4: the social media.

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Speaker 5: Broke politics, right.

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Speaker 4: You made us all where put on a jersey that

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Speaker 4: was red or blue, And so think about how fanatically

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Speaker 4: you love your favorite sports team. You have the merch

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Speaker 4: you go to the games, you get season tickets, you're

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Speaker 4: cheering and screaming for them, you watch highlight reels. It's

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Speaker 4: very hard then, in the big game to get somebody

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Speaker 4: to actually be, hey, can you take off this jersey,

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Speaker 4: go to the other side of the field, sit in

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Speaker 4: those stands and not cheer for these players who you

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Speaker 4: don't know or you hate. Yeah, And so what I

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Speaker 4: try to do that as have moments where I can

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Speaker 4: at least acknowledge that there's someone in my party who

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 4: I disagree with, or I think they.

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Speaker 5: Did something wrong or that's harmful for the country.

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Speaker 4: And I want to be able to articulate that what

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Speaker 4: I expect from all of the people who voted for

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Speaker 4: Trump is the same thing. So a very powerful question

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Speaker 4: that I've been asking to my friends and family who

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Speaker 4: voted for him and support him is just simply this,

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Speaker 4: is there anything that he could do that would cause

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Speaker 4: you to stop supporting him. It's a really powerful question,

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Speaker 4: and people it takes them a really long time to answer.

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Speaker 5: And you're so politics has become like religion. The fervor

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Speaker 5: is so real that and answer it.

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Speaker 4: But that's to me, like, if we can't answer that,

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Speaker 4: then we're kind of cooked, right, Unless we can figure

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Speaker 4: out a way to win an election, because that really

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Speaker 4: is what it comes down to in this moment is

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Speaker 4: we've just never had this moment before, where like you know,

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Speaker 4: famously Trump said when he was running the first time,

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Speaker 4: I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not support

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Speaker 4: It felt so extreme to say. But not only was

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Speaker 4: he right about that, it's I could cozy up to

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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin, who runs America's adversary. I could dismantle NATO.

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Speaker 4: I could ruin the American economy with pointless tariffs that

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01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 4: will cause a trade war, and we know don't work,

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01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 4: and I won't lose support. So it's like, at this point, what,

1203
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 4: you know, where can we go?

1204
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 5: What can we do right?

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think I.

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Speaker 4: Do think that you know, we obviously can't give up

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Speaker 4: and we have to remember, you know, Kamala Harris got

1208
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 4: forty eight percent of the popular vote, Yes, Trump about

1209
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 4: forty nine Each of the battleground states was within you

1210
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 4: know a point. There's not something fundamental that has happened

1211
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Speaker 4: in the country. We had this really difficult situation as

1212
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Speaker 4: Democrats where everyone saw in real time that President Biden

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Speaker 4: was no longer up to the job. There was a panic,

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 4: you know, and there was this process or lack of

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01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 4: a process, really a very difficult position for Vice President

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Speaker 4: Harris to step into. And I think she did a

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Speaker 4: really wonderful job. She had one hundred years to do

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Speaker 4: something that most people who have ever run for the

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Speaker 4: job have two years. Yes, so there's not something that's

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 4: totally broken about the dump or is it humbling? Yeah,

1221
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 4: could we have a more attractive message, yes, Could we

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01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 4: have more dynamic leaders step up to the plate, for sure.

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Speaker 5: But the only way that.

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 4: They can have a permanent majority is if enough of

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01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 4: us sit back quietly while they fix the courts and

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01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 4: make yes, sorry, fix them in the way like rig

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Speaker 4: them better word. But there's a playbook, you know, from

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Speaker 4: Hungary to Brazil to all kinds of other countries in

1229
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Speaker 4: the world. Like it's it's just a playbook that everyone

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 4: knows about.

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01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 1: It's how to the authoritarian playbook.

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Speaker 3: And so, like.

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Speaker 4: Congressman Swollwell said, there's all things we can do to

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Speaker 4: push back against it, and they are all in some

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Speaker 4: ways equally important. So, you know, the leaders the future,

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Speaker 4: Our future leaders come from state and local politics, right,

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01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, Obama was a state senator in Springfield, Illinois. Right,

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 4: Clinton was the governor of Arkansas, like one of our

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Speaker 4: smallest states.

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Speaker 5: And so we've I think.

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 4: Again, find identifying somebody that you think represents your values

1242
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 4: and that's you're excited about in kind of supporting them

1243
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 4: helps motivate you.

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, who are you excited about?

1245
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: Who are the leaders that you love right now?

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 4: So many people I think that you know, the first

1247
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 4: that comes to mind is the wonderful new governor of

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 4: Maryland who.

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 5: You and I met together, Wes Moore.

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Speaker 4: Yes, in addition to just being like a wonderful human being,

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 4: you know, he and his wife are so dynamic and

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01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 4: he's already done it a lot that was bipartisan in Maryland.

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 4: I love Congressman Richie Torres from the Bronx. He was

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Speaker 4: the first gay man of color to be elected, along

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 4: with Manda Jones, the former congressman from New York.

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01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 5: I think Richie Torres is great.

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01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 4: I love Gina Raymondo, who was a governor before she

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Speaker 4: was in President Biden's cabinet. Ruben Diego, the new senator

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Speaker 4: from Arizona, who were Kirsten Cinema Boo.

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Speaker 1: Ruben's wonderful I got to campaign with him quite a

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Speaker 1: bit this year and just our guess last year and

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Speaker 1: just adore him and his family.

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Speaker 5: Pete Boota judge, you know who's new.

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01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 4: But you know, we forget that. Pete Poota Judge won

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 4: the Iowa caucus in twenty twenty, right before COVID started.

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Speaker 4: He's a serious, serious leader of our party. Jasmine Crockett,

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Speaker 4: who's Congressman.

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Speaker 1: Swallow mentioned, she's so wonderful.

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Speaker 4: She's so I mean, she's a brilliant lawyer, but you know,

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Speaker 4: she's obviously feeling that void that people feel sometimes, like

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Speaker 4: why don't we have someone who's like more of a

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Speaker 4: fighter you.

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 5: Can really like take. Yeah, so that's Jasmine Crockett.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know her, yeah, she's amazing. Somebody, uh, somebody.

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Speaker 1: I posted something about how disrespectful Marjorie Taylor Green was

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Speaker 1: to a journalist this week, and someone was like, you

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Speaker 1: have nothing to say about Jasmine Crockett, And I said, honey,

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett is just matching their volume.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if you don't like it, get your people

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Speaker 1: to stop.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I was in a room recently with her and

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Speaker 4: there was just tremendous grassroots support for her kind of

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01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 4: unlike anything. Seemed like people whipping their napkins at the table,

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Speaker 4: like yeah, got it. There's a lot of talent in Michigan,

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 4: obviously the one Yes, Gretchen Whitmer and the new son love.

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Speaker 1: Big gretch walk In. She's wonderful too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of people we have wonderful, wonderful talent.

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Speaker 4: But to me, it's like what happened in twenty seventeen

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 4: when Trump won is a bunch of talented badasses ran

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 4: for office. A bunch of veterans, nurses and doctors, people

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Speaker 4: who are running the PTA and saw what was going

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Speaker 4: on the schools and they're now in Congress and they're

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Speaker 4: like amazing. You know Abigail Spanberger from Virginia, more In

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Speaker 4: Underwood from Illinois'.

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Speaker 1: Yes I love her, who was a nurse.

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Speaker 4: And saw with the Affordable Care Act and was like, no,

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Speaker 4: you know, that is how we fight back and build

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Speaker 4: and win. So to your listeners, I would also say,

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Speaker 4: like there's nothing magical about running for Congress. Start small, like,

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Speaker 4: but get in the mix if you care about the

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Speaker 4: cool board, even being involved, you know, in your community,

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Speaker 4: organizations matters right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, it's all such good advice in it, and

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Speaker 1: it does remind me of the power levers that we

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Speaker 1: as citizens can still pull and push on, which feels exciting.

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Speaker 1: Who do you hope will make a bid for our

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Speaker 1: party for president twenty twenty eight?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a tough thing to answer, because what I

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Speaker 4: think about in my quiet moments is like, has has

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Speaker 4: something changed that to the degree that we won't go

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Speaker 4: back to how it was before?

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Speaker 5: So we know that we've.

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Speaker 4: Always had If there's a Venn diagram of like what

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Speaker 4: makes you a talented politician and what makes you a

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Speaker 4: talented actor or entertainer, big overlap from Ronald Reagan to

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Speaker 4: Jesse Ventura to Donald Trump, and there are many more,

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Speaker 4: you know, Sonny Bono, Yes, So what I don't know

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Speaker 4: is like, are we at a place now where we

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Speaker 4: need a celebrity to win? And I'm just not sure.

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Speaker 4: So there's a world in which you have George Clooney

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Speaker 4: or Matthew McConaughey or the Rock running for the Democratic

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Speaker 4: nomination a year and a half. While none of those

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Speaker 4: people would be a bad president, I think any of

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Speaker 4: them would be one thousand times better than Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: and Jade Vance. That is very different though, from a

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Speaker 4: primary that has Pete Boodha Judge and Wes Moore and

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Speaker 4: Gretchen Whitmer and Amy Klobuchar. Or is there someone from

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Speaker 4: business you know, Howard Schulton, Michael Bloomberg tried last time.

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Speaker 4: Is Mark Cuban gonna throw his hat in the ring?

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Speaker 4: I don't think he will? But or is there someone

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Speaker 4: else who runs a beloved you know, Bob Iger who's

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Speaker 4: run the most beloved corporation on Earth for twenty years, Like, yeah, Iran, well, Oprah.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what I hope there's not one person.

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Speaker 4: I know that we will have a really competitive primary.

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Speaker 4: Vice President Harris might choose to run again, And I

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Speaker 4: just I know that I'm proud to be a Democrat

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Speaker 4: right now because the people standing on our primary stage

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Speaker 4: are going to look like the country, and there will

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Speaker 4: be kind of everything, And I hope that What I

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Speaker 4: do think we've moved beyond is identity politics.

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Speaker 5: And we know why they started and why we needed

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Speaker 5: them right.

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Speaker 4: Marginalized groups had to organize to get rights. But now

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Speaker 4: what we have realized is that most people who are

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Speaker 4: in those communities don't want to be grouped into that.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, six months ago we had Ombre's

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Speaker 4: Coen Harris right for like Latino men who were hare like.

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Speaker 5: People didn't react well to that.

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Speaker 4: And so I think ideas and talking about the future

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Speaker 4: and the aspirational part of like being an American who

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Speaker 4: has enough money to like have a nice life, that

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Speaker 4: is what our nominee should and I think will represent, yeah,

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Speaker 4: rather than like, oh, here's the gay candidate, here's the

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Speaker 4: black candidate, here's the Latino candidate.

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Speaker 5: That's not what we need. And I don't think that's

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Speaker 5: what our party will offer going forward, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, And I guess what's frustrating is if you are

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Speaker 1: described by any of those words, people act like that's

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Speaker 1: your whole personality or the whole reason you're a candidate.

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Speaker 1: It must be DEI and it's like, no, these are

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Speaker 1: just people who will ensure that people are represented. It's like,

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Speaker 1: it's not that complicated. And I do hope that the

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Speaker 1: more conversations we can have in our communities, the more

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Speaker 1: engagement we see people participating in from town halls to

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Speaker 1: making calls to Congress, to protesting to volunteering. My wish

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Speaker 1: is that it reminds us that we all really are

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Speaker 1: in this together, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the more people that are represented in any room, the better.

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Speaker 1: The outcomes in that room are for everyone, even the

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Speaker 1: people who've traditionally had the power. So I hope we

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Speaker 1: can show people another way. And for now, I'm really

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Speaker 1: grateful to have both of you gentlemen on my speed dial,

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Speaker 1: and we'll just keep going.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for everything you're doing.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's like Eric said at the start

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Speaker 4: of the conversation, you don't have to be doing this,

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Speaker 4: but I think, knowing you for almost twenty years, like

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Speaker 4: it's what makes you come alive, and it's in your bones.

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Speaker 4: And I know that out of your millions of followers,

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Speaker 4: just as many are coming to you for how to

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Speaker 4: be a citizen as they are for their favorite show

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Speaker 4: or podcast, and that it's a real testament to how

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Speaker 4: you show up in the world and the reputation you've

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Speaker 4: built for fighting for everyone, even the people that don't

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Speaker 4: look like you.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Thanks Jordan, Thank you. I met a

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Speaker 1: really sweet Alan Wilmington about a week ago who said,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to law school because of you. I've followed

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, you know, since middle school, and now

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Speaker 1: I'm going to law school and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this makes me want to sob. She's going

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Speaker 1: to be a human rights attorney, and it was it

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Speaker 1: was very special. So it is meaningful to do this

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Speaker 1: work with you. It's meaningful to get to have these

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Speaker 1: conversations with everyone who's listening at home. Thank you all

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Speaker 1: you know for being here. And I do hope that

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Speaker 1: some of this pragmatic advice has has reminded you to

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Speaker 1: stay hopeful and stay in the game because we're not

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Speaker 1: going to see our territory. We're not going to see

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Speaker 1: this country to anybody who wants to take it apart.

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Speaker 1: Damn it.

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Speaker 5: Well, I love you, I love you, Thank you for

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Speaker 5: having me