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Speaker 1: we are live from the SWBC studios at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. It's been I see around the Star this
Speaker 1: last couple of days, and we're finally back on the air.
Speaker 1: Glad to be with you. Kyle Yeoman's, I say a
Speaker 1: stand back, Patrick, No, see Walker, We've got Chris Beam
Speaker 1: in the back. Guys. Um, I've been out of town
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Did I miss anything? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you missed this weather. Kyle, Okay, there's where
Speaker 1: the heck are you? I was in Mexico for the invite?
Speaker 1: Did you get an invite? Getting I did not know
Speaker 1: you didn't get enough. I wanted to run around Booty
Speaker 1: Button on dog on Beach. You know you were definitely commando.
Speaker 1: A visual wasn't prepared for this. He definitely Commando on
Speaker 1: the beach. Whoa, now we have to picture Kyle Hammock. Hey,
Speaker 1: there are worse things to think about, all right, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, what else? What else happened around this Cowboys
Speaker 1: to a couple people, first, first and foremost, Um, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn is sticking around. Hey, that's a good one, massive
Speaker 1: massive keep for the Cowboys. Dan Quinn went on his
Speaker 1: round of interviews with the Cardinals, the Coats, Um, the Broncos,
Speaker 1: and as we all know, he was a front runner
Speaker 1: to land that Broncos position last year before they went
Speaker 1: with Nathaniel Hackett. Thank you for making that mistake, denver Um.
Speaker 1: But dan Quinn is sticking around, so huge keep for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But on the offensive side of the ball, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's this guy named Kelvin Moore. Oh yeah, he was
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator keyword, was the offensive coordinator for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: No more from twenty nineteen to twenty There's no more.
Speaker 1: He is in a Cowboys uniforms, no more interesting doing
Speaker 1: m O r E. Did you see that coming? I
Speaker 1: saw it coming. Well, whenever Mike McCarthy said it the
Speaker 1: way that he did in his first conference, how he
Speaker 1: responded to the question about him right the riding was
Speaker 1: on the wall at that point he seemed very hostile.
Speaker 1: That was a hostile response. And there was a bit
Speaker 1: of clarification with another thing that happened this week, which
Speaker 1: was the Senior Bowl, and Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: spoke during their time down in Mobile and Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: said it was a difference in philosophy between Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and Kelly Moore that led to the parting of ways
Speaker 1: which are we are we shocked by that? Though I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think not so much, um eyebrow raising, but
Speaker 1: not not shocked, not shocked under anything like the great
Speaker 1: way to put it, eyebrow raising is perfect. And and
Speaker 1: having some conversations with some folks after the decision was
Speaker 1: made to mutually part ways with Kellen Moore. My understanding
Speaker 1: of it is no, it was mutual. My understanding of
Speaker 1: it is I can't confirm. My understanding of it was
Speaker 1: that even when McCarthy stood on the podium in and
Speaker 1: said that Kellen Moore is no different from any other
Speaker 1: any other coach and that he must be evaluated. He
Speaker 1: wasn't saying that maliciously, he was just being matter of
Speaker 1: fact with it. And my understanding is when when they
Speaker 1: got down to the evaluation process, we're kind of taking
Speaker 1: a half step back. I think McCarthy kind of expected
Speaker 1: more to still be around, but there was going to
Speaker 1: be some in depth conversation in the evaluation process as
Speaker 1: far as direct where the offense need to go in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, And in that conversation, I think that's
Speaker 1: where the reality hit for both sides, where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're we're apart on this. We're apart
Speaker 1: on this um And just from my opinion, this is
Speaker 1: my opinion obviously, but as as it relates to Moore's
Speaker 1: acceptance of the Chargers offer, that happened so quickly that
Speaker 1: logic dictates that it might have been in his back
Speaker 1: pocket already. There's some murmurs going around in terms of
Speaker 1: potential tampering. Well, I'm not going to go that far.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's murmurs I'm tampering about what he
Speaker 1: had a relationship with with La beforehand. I mean, we
Speaker 1: just haven't have joint practices this year too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean let's just put it this way, because we're they
Speaker 1: were hanging out. Yeah, we're definitely not um providing if
Speaker 1: something happens, this is this is just murmurs. I don't.
Speaker 1: Let's just say the tea leaves say what the he
Speaker 1: leaves say, and I drink. I would be hard pressed
Speaker 1: to believe that that an offer for the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: position in a program like the Charges, who have such
Speaker 1: a level of talent offensively that that manifested in fifteen hours.
Speaker 1: He was because he accepted that offer in fifteen hours.
Speaker 1: I should say. Let me, let me put it this way.
Speaker 1: That offer became public and final and official from Los
Speaker 1: Angeles in fifteen hours after the decision from it. Probably
Speaker 1: accepted it in the first seventeen minutes, so I see.
Speaker 1: But is it also possible, kind of along those same lines,
Speaker 1: that the decision was made around Kellen Moore far before
Speaker 1: it was released, right around the start of the second
Speaker 1: championship game on Sunday. He probably was. I mean, we
Speaker 1: were talking to Mike McCarthy on Wednesday, and it was
Speaker 1: a matter of time until that news came out, or
Speaker 1: at least it seemed like it was a matter of
Speaker 1: time until the news came out. Now, I just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think Kellen Moore is gonna be really good in
Speaker 1: that I believe. I think, I think that system, I
Speaker 1: think that scenario resources the resources there. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: that because the resources here are great, they're good resources here.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about personnel, that's different. Are you talking
Speaker 1: about like Freed, You're talking about like I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the personnel? Yeah, the personnel. Okay, So personnel, Okay, we
Speaker 1: can we can have an agreement on that one. But
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna Yeah, that's why you're making that face.
Speaker 1: He's gonna fit that that's mold better. He's gonna fit
Speaker 1: that mold better than he did here. And honestly, I
Speaker 1: think Dallas is better off without him here. It's just
Speaker 1: a fit, I really do. I think this is going
Speaker 1: to be a good fit for both parties. Could be
Speaker 1: which is possible. That happens all the time, and I
Speaker 1: think that. Look at the Super Bowl right now. Andy
Speaker 1: Reid left the Eagles and now the Eagles are still
Speaker 1: there again. They have a chance to go back to
Speaker 1: another Super Bowl. Andy Reid's on the Chiefs. It's a
Speaker 1: good fit both ways. And I think from a Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy standpoint, when when you look at Mike McCarthy having
Speaker 1: set out a season after his from the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: and his whole thing over the course of that season
Speaker 1: that he was out was he was trying to advance
Speaker 1: his coaching style with analytics and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to today, and I think that he's going
Speaker 1: to try to take the best of what Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: did and then merge that with what he knows how
Speaker 1: to do. And then we'll see who the OC is
Speaker 1: that comes in. Because Darry Jones said in Mobile that
Speaker 1: is basically a foregone conclusion that Mike is going to
Speaker 1: call the plays, but they're still going to get an OC,
Speaker 1: and I think that OC would be more than of
Speaker 1: an advisory role. But if it's if it happens to
Speaker 1: be certain individual from Los Angeles, the other Los Angeles team,
Speaker 1: if you get where I'm going with this, ye, then
Speaker 1: that would be very interesting because that person comes in
Speaker 1: with McVeigh knowledge, right. So if you can get McVeigh
Speaker 1: knowledge mixed with the best of Kellen Moore mixed with
Speaker 1: the best of Mike McCarthy, get your personnel right at
Speaker 1: wide receiver and yeah, and hopefully you can keep the
Speaker 1: band together with polit and Zeke. But that's the discussion
Speaker 1: as well. You played in a system with Belichick knowledge,
Speaker 1: you played in a system with Pete Carroll knowledge. How
Speaker 1: how much does it it doesn't matter to have different
Speaker 1: inputs because if anything could be said about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offense this year is at times it was stale. At
Speaker 1: times it was mediocre to a concerning degree. Okay, but
Speaker 1: now you have a chance to spice it up a
Speaker 1: little bit and go get some different input some different knowledge.
Speaker 1: And you did so with minor roles like Ben McAdoo
Speaker 1: a year ago. You did it with a couple different ways.
Speaker 1: But how important is it to go out and get
Speaker 1: a veteran guy like that to come in as an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator to kind of sprinkle in what Patrick's talking about?
Speaker 1: You have my real opinion? Yeah, I think they just say,
Speaker 1: with your chest, it's a Friday, it is Friday. It's
Speaker 1: been a while. I think they just let the best
Speaker 1: thing they could have had to go. Kely. I really
Speaker 1: think so. I think they should. That has some grown
Speaker 1: man conversations, and I think they should have figured it
Speaker 1: out because I think Kellamore is one hell of an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and he's continued to grow. He's continued to grow,
Speaker 1: he's continue to develop what I see and what I
Speaker 1: saw in film, you know, I watched a good amount
Speaker 1: of it, and you do as well. He had a complex,
Speaker 1: very diverse offense in the beginning of the year. Sure,
Speaker 1: they couldn't run it. They couldn't run it's quarterback, couldn't
Speaker 1: make the reads. Receivers couldn't read read the coverages. So
Speaker 1: because those guys were unable, incapable at that point in
Speaker 1: time of making the correct reads based upon the defense
Speaker 1: that presented to them, and running the correct routes, going
Speaker 1: the correct ball, going to the correct concepts, all those things,
Speaker 1: he had to dumb it down. He had to dumb
Speaker 1: it down. And even once he dumped dumbed it down,
Speaker 1: we saw what happened at in the last game. There
Speaker 1: were guys still running around booty button naked open and
Speaker 1: the ball still wasn't getting to them. And that was
Speaker 1: the most simplistic Jason garrett ish offense we had. We
Speaker 1: had all year long. But look at go back to
Speaker 1: the film in the beginning of the year, look at
Speaker 1: the concepts that were out there. Look at the read
Speaker 1: routes that are out there right, all those combinations, and
Speaker 1: then go to the end of the year playoff games
Speaker 1: and look at that offense. Look how boring and stagnant
Speaker 1: that offense was in comparison. He had to adjust. If
Speaker 1: your personnel can't facilitate the offense, you have to adjust
Speaker 1: so that you can give them something that they can handle.
Speaker 1: And again that's just being real and watching the film.
Speaker 1: To your point, the offenses that I've been in, I've
Speaker 1: been in some very complex offenses like New England, which
Speaker 1: was absolutely insane. Okay, I've showed y'all some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: It was read routes on everything, and you better knowing
Speaker 1: what the heck you were doing. You better knew what
Speaker 1: the coverage was, You better know the leverage and all
Speaker 1: that stuff of the defenders so that you can run
Speaker 1: the correct route. We saw some of those mishaps earlier
Speaker 1: in the year where Cede Lamb was unsure about coverage.
Speaker 1: I might remember my taking the top off am I
Speaker 1: coming underneath, and we saw Dak compound those problems by
Speaker 1: throwing the ball incorrectly to the certain guys that was
Speaker 1: them trying to figure out that complex offense which required
Speaker 1: you to be high intellects and be able to make
Speaker 1: the correct reads. When you don't have the ability to
Speaker 1: do that and execute it properly, you have to bring
Speaker 1: it back down to the grade level or high school level,
Speaker 1: which is mirrored routes on the outside, read routes on
Speaker 1: the inside, super simplistic, read the basic coverages, and make
Speaker 1: the correct decision. And those things still weren't happening. So
Speaker 1: now you take a Kelly Moore going out to an
Speaker 1: offense that has more veterans, that has more events, and
Speaker 1: I would say those are high intellect players that he
Speaker 1: has over there, they're gonna they're gonna kill it. In
Speaker 1: terms of what Dallas is gonna do here, I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna see it dumbed down a lot more. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see it dumped down to what you saw more
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. Now that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you can't be successful with that, because I believe
Speaker 1: that you can. West Coast Office, Pete Carroll, you brought
Speaker 1: that up West Coast. Super simple reads for the quarterback,
Speaker 1: get the ball out quick, that's what he does right quick.
Speaker 1: Three step drops were from the gun catching throw you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, catching one, gallop one some of
Speaker 1: those things, right, there's gonna be easy decisions, but you're
Speaker 1: not gonna see that complex stuff, and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: see the ball push down the field nearly as much
Speaker 1: as you saw early in the year with Kelly Moore.
Speaker 1: Now real quickly, I just want to ask this as
Speaker 1: a follow up, is the fact that it had to
Speaker 1: be so simple toward the back half and it had
Speaker 1: to be dumbed down in the back half. Is that
Speaker 1: an indictment on the personnel specifically or could it be
Speaker 1: an anictment on the Monday through Saturday comparison and the
Speaker 1: preparation from a coaching staff. It could be both, right,
Speaker 1: and we don't know. We never had it, We'll never know.
Speaker 1: We just see the result. We see what they were
Speaker 1: trying to do concept wise, and we saw the execution
Speaker 1: of it. So where the ball was dropped in between,
Speaker 1: we don't know. But we do know that in the
Speaker 1: beginning year he had read routes, combination routes that were
Speaker 1: adjusting based upon coverages. We do know that Dak had
Speaker 1: certain reads where he should have been looking off coverages
Speaker 1: and coming back to certain concepts that he wasn't doing
Speaker 1: that correctly. He was trying to force the ball. Those
Speaker 1: are the things we do know, So we don't know
Speaker 1: what's being taught, if they're being taught the proper reads
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. The adjustments, we don't know.
Speaker 1: We just see the lack of execution on Sundays. I
Speaker 1: think until your point, it could go a little bit
Speaker 1: more vanilla, with the exception being if they bring in
Speaker 1: someone who is from a McVey tree, for example. If
Speaker 1: that person comes in and they're the offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: although McCarthy is playing calling the plays, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: McCarthy is dictator over the game plan, right, So it's
Speaker 1: still going to be a collaborative game plan over the
Speaker 1: course of the week. So you're still going to get
Speaker 1: those ideas from a McVeigh branch or whomever else might
Speaker 1: be being Brian Shottenheim or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: So I think that is going to help keep it
Speaker 1: from becoming vanilla, and we'll see if that's the case.
Speaker 1: But I would lean more so on it being a
Speaker 1: personnel issue, because if we're comparing the Charger's wide receiver
Speaker 1: corps to the Cowboys wide receiver cords. Okay, well, we
Speaker 1: know that CD dam has ascended to the role of
Speaker 1: wide receiver. One around him, the discussion is no more.
Speaker 1: But Michael Gallup, he just recently had his right knee
Speaker 1: and right ankle scope which is opposite right, which is
Speaker 1: the opposite knee for those that need to be clear
Speaker 1: on that. He tore the ACL in his leftknee. But
Speaker 1: that also goes to let you know that he wasn't
Speaker 1: one hundred percent himself as he was trying to return
Speaker 1: from a torn ACL. You didn't get what you needed
Speaker 1: to get from Jalen Tilbert, who is mostly inactive. T
Speaker 1: Y Hilton came in later in the season on the
Speaker 1: back end of December, so you didn't have a ton
Speaker 1: of reps with him. If you fix the wide receiver
Speaker 1: equation and Michael Gallop is one hundred percent healthy, which
Speaker 1: now I have no um no reservations about it happening
Speaker 1: because you got an entire offseason. Now you're not coming
Speaker 1: back in season to try to figure it out. Now
Speaker 1: you have an entire offseason program, So figure that out
Speaker 1: with well, ceedee Lamb is there. Let's assume Gallop is healthy.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver threes, which you really got to figure out.
Speaker 1: They're going to talk again to ob J who presumably
Speaker 1: is healthy. Now he's starting to release those workout of
Speaker 1: clips out. Yeah, now they're starting to come out to
Speaker 1: see no coincidence. So two things real quick before I
Speaker 1: know you got go on. We got so many topics. Yep.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's personnel. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: personnel in terms of la thereof this year. I think
Speaker 1: the personnel was there. It was good enough to get
Speaker 1: the job done, right, I think you could. Obviously you
Speaker 1: always wish you had more, right, you wish you had
Speaker 1: more weapons, you know, like say France, like Philly, like
Speaker 1: oh you know all those teams that were that we
Speaker 1: saw progress. We wish you had more, but you didn't.
Speaker 1: But that's my point. When they had more no pun intended.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but when they had more than the hydro
Speaker 1: coop Lamb a healthy gallop. You saw what the three
Speaker 1: thousand yard receivers the top, it was the top. So
Speaker 1: the defense in the league drop Cooper out via trade.
Speaker 1: Now you're it's not healthy. Lamb does what he needs
Speaker 1: to do, but from there the personnel doesn't match up.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I do believe that t Y
Speaker 1: Hilton during his time here was underutilized severely, a whole
Speaker 1: year underutilizing. If you go back and watch the film,
Speaker 1: in that last game, this dude was open the whole game.
Speaker 1: Simplistic offenses because cold and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: gonna kind of jump on the ship. Oh that's not fair.
Speaker 1: Simplistic offenses in the NFL work if everybody's on one
Speaker 1: a court. I ad the forty nine Ers. The forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers don't run a complex offense at all. The
Speaker 1: fact that you can go down to quarterback number three
Speaker 1: and be very successful, let you know that that offense
Speaker 1: is not complex. Those guys are running very simple routes.
Speaker 1: But that offensive coordinator was just our freaking genes in
Speaker 1: terms of keeping everybody in the same page, taking the
Speaker 1: same things and motions and personnel groupings and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: So that's that's an opportunity for everybody to understand that
Speaker 1: McCarthy can do two very similar schemes, okay, and be
Speaker 1: very successful. I'm just saying that Kellen Moore brought it
Speaker 1: from up here and had to bring it down, and
Speaker 1: that happened over the course of the season, not just
Speaker 1: this year, but you could say it happened last year
Speaker 1: as well. Correct, happened at the same time. Oh, lots
Speaker 1: to talk about nuts. But there's Kellen Moore. We'll talk
Speaker 1: plenty more about that as the off season goes along.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna talk about him to more and more.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break when we come
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Speaker 1: on the horizon, including two big name guys that could
Speaker 1: either be let go or extended. We'll tell you who
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Speaker 1: this Say it with your chest Friday offseason addition, And
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we're doing because we've got a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about. Like we said, so, we've got Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore and talked a little bit about dq DQ and
Speaker 1: that he's coming back. We'll save that the majority of
Speaker 1: that topic for later. Jayron Curse headed for surgery, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: several several of the players are. And let's preface it
Speaker 1: with this. This is um this is get right season, correct,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Typically immediately after the season concludes, whenever
Speaker 1: that might be a usc guys starting to get cleanup procedures,
Speaker 1: and these are cleanup procedures. Michael Gallops his right knee
Speaker 1: and right knee were scoped. That's a cleanup procedure. Jayron
Speaker 1: Curse is finally getting that shoulder issue situated via procedure.
Speaker 1: It was scheduled for yesterday on Thursday, but we've had
Speaker 1: the winter ice storm here, so we'll see if it
Speaker 1: happens in the next couple of days. But for those
Speaker 1: that might have forgotten, he entered that shoulder on Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and he was playing through whatever since and then of
Speaker 1: course he was playing through the knee issue. But there's
Speaker 1: no procedure schedule for the knee, so that's that's a
Speaker 1: good sign there, um, and it just goes from there.
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is having clean up work done. I mean,
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on. They're like six or
Speaker 1: seven guys. Luke Gifford. Luke Gifford is the only one
Speaker 1: that's not being deemed quote unquote clean up because he's
Speaker 1: having surgery or had surgery if it's already occurred on
Speaker 1: a core muscle, so you know, the core muscle is
Speaker 1: a little bit more serious, so he's going to need
Speaker 1: the time to recover everyone else. Let's see who we got.
Speaker 1: We got cursed clean up, Tyron, clean up, Um Gifford.
Speaker 1: Let's see bear with me, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean my spoil. Let's say you got four or five guys.
Speaker 1: Nothing serious. The most serious would be Louke Gifford with
Speaker 1: the cormu. So it's just it's clean up procedures. But
Speaker 1: Jay Ron curse back to full health. Relea cooker, That's
Speaker 1: what I was looking forward. Dislocated thumb. He was playing
Speaker 1: through dislocated thumb. He's getting that tightened up, so yeah,
Speaker 1: he'd be good as well. Shout out to the whole
Speaker 1: training staff. They don't get much time off. I don't
Speaker 1: know if people understand that. They do not like the
Speaker 1: majority of their work. That's a year round deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the majority of their work starts now like now now
Speaker 1: and then like they have to nurse these guys back
Speaker 1: to health always and through camps. Get right. So I
Speaker 1: mean people need to put some respect on Jim and
Speaker 1: Bread and and Gee all those guys. Could They do
Speaker 1: one heck of a job throughout the year. Throughout the year,
Speaker 1: but a lot of their rehabilitation starts now. They try
Speaker 1: to keep guys healthy during the year, and then they
Speaker 1: have to get guys healthy in the all season. And
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's a well it is known thing that
Speaker 1: this is an incredible training staff now. And that's why
Speaker 1: when you said resources earlier, I was like, maybe not like,
Speaker 1: but you were talking personnel, but with the way that
Speaker 1: this training staff is and we're not just saying that
Speaker 1: because they're in there, done it, wait too much with them.
Speaker 1: So I know you were with five for your training staffs,
Speaker 1: and I've been with some good chis chaffs and these
Speaker 1: guys are amazing. Yeah. Yeah, So, and it's a well
Speaker 1: known thing throughout the league. There's why there's reasons why
Speaker 1: people look to the Cowboys training staff whenever they're in
Speaker 1: the Combine and they're at the Senior Bowl and they're
Speaker 1: doing all this different stuff. Some of these guys on
Speaker 1: Clark big big thing for that. So outside of the
Speaker 1: injury report, which we just gave a little little w
Speaker 1: w R D we rob do, but let's talk about
Speaker 1: some personnel changes that could be on the horizon for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, starting at the running back position. We miss
Speaker 1: some of the other coaches, Kyle Oh, go for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, who were some of the other coaches. Number one,
Speaker 1: Doug nust Meyer. Yep, he's out quarterback coach. Quarterback coach,
Speaker 1: and we those go back to the previous episode of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys and we spoke about how it was time
Speaker 1: to move on from Doug nust Meyer. So he's moved on. Um,
Speaker 1: Skip Pete. That's a tough one. That sucks. That's a
Speaker 1: tough one to sap an agreeance with that. UM running
Speaker 1: backs coach, Skip Pete. He saw what he did for
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliot. So he did in the breakout season last
Speaker 1: year with Tony Pollard. Um. Yeah, that's so we'll see
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys go with that. Um. George Edwards another
Speaker 1: big loss. Yeah, that was big. Another big loss, George Edwards.
Speaker 1: Was that happened before Dan Quinn came back and we
Speaker 1: thought that that was writing. Yeah, we thought that was
Speaker 1: gonna Quinn was Quinn was gonna see that and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna move on. Rob Davis, Rob David,
Speaker 1: another one, Rob Davis, which is the right hand man
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. Yeah, quite literally the right hand man and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and McCarthy was actually fighting back some emotions
Speaker 1: talking about some of these coaching losses, in particular Rob Davis,
Speaker 1: one who's really close to him personally. Um so Rob Davis,
Speaker 1: the assistant head coach, Doug nuss Myer, Skip Peach, Skip Pete.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, George Edwards. Joe Philbin offensive line coach. Now
Speaker 1: I'm torn on Philbin in that I and we talked
Speaker 1: about it. I love what Philbin was able to do
Speaker 1: in the face of adversity multiple multiple years. I love
Speaker 1: what he was able to do in the progression of
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele and in the first year of Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: having to move him around but still seeing Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: for the most part excel at either position. Still got
Speaker 1: some growing pains, obviously the penalties would talk about down
Speaker 1: the road. But Joe Philbin did some really good things.
Speaker 1: He did that said I, I could also see why
Speaker 1: they'd be looking to bring someone else at attitude. So
Speaker 1: I think it's it's no knock to Philban because we
Speaker 1: said we were fine with philby remaining but then moving
Speaker 1: on from him, much like the Kelly Moore question, are
Speaker 1: we shocked, No not? He was. He was the hood mechanic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Joe Philman was the hood mechanic, I
Speaker 1: know where go? Yeah, you know, like the hood mechanic
Speaker 1: would patch it up. Yeah, he gonna can you gonna
Speaker 1: get it running, right, he gonna get your running. He's
Speaker 1: gonna run a tip top shaping, but it'll get you
Speaker 1: to the crib absolutely, and he'll patch that thing up
Speaker 1: called the hood mechanic. He'll make it work. That's what
Speaker 1: Phil was. You know, you handed something terrible, you know,
Speaker 1: an old school car. He patches it up to get
Speaker 1: you home. So shout out to Philman, A big those
Speaker 1: to him. He had to work through a lot of
Speaker 1: ton and he gave Dallas an opportunity to win ball
Speaker 1: games when everybody thought that they had zero chance. And
Speaker 1: let's leon Lett also part of that's a long obviously,
Speaker 1: And when we say long term relationship with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: we're talking about pre coaching as well. So Leon Lett
Speaker 1: has a long term relationship with this organization as a
Speaker 1: player and as an assistant coach, assistant position coach. So
Speaker 1: he's out as well. So so how many coaches in total?
Speaker 1: You said eight? Um about that? About that, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's a lot of turnover in a
Speaker 1: short amount of time to the ball. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: they've already hired a new offensive line coach. Now they're
Speaker 1: still looking for a bunch of these other guys. He
Speaker 1: came from Seattle and he's been here before. Coach way
Speaker 1: back when tell him who was the coach, didn't go
Speaker 1: and get get my monk. One guy named Tom Landry
Speaker 1: was the head coach whenever he was on the staff.
Speaker 1: Was that the guy with the fed Yeah, that was familiar.
Speaker 1: Eighty five to eighty eight I think he was here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was like eighty six, eight eighty eight
Speaker 1: or something like that. Uh crazy. Hey, if we're talking
Speaker 1: about getting some mctain knowledge, I mean we're gonna get
Speaker 1: some Tom Landry knowledge up in the There's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with getting some time. I ventured to say that lander
Speaker 1: shift isn't going anywhere. Yeah, Yeah, safe to say that's
Speaker 1: gonna stay, gonna keep keep coming. We'd like to see
Speaker 1: more of it. Yeah, I know we're gonna play a personnel,
Speaker 1: But I didn't know we had a lot of coaches.
Speaker 1: We know. I'm glad you hit that. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: hit that coach. There's a lot of guys. Best of
Speaker 1: luck to all the guys that are no longer in
Speaker 1: the building. Those are tough ones. Yeah, both those guys
Speaker 1: were great while they were here. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Skip Pete's position, running back Ezekiel Elliott, And this
Speaker 1: was quoted by Jerry and Stephen absolutely a player that
Speaker 1: was that the Cowboys would like to bring back. They
Speaker 1: were both on the same page when talking about the
Speaker 1: running back returning. They want him to return. However, here
Speaker 1: was the quote, you always want Zeke, but do the
Speaker 1: numbers work. You can't define what Zeke does for our
Speaker 1: football team. You could probably define it, but he's just
Speaker 1: saying stat wise, statistically, which is you know, that's always
Speaker 1: what I lean on. He doesn't show the whole picture,
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. He's saying, the statistics don't show
Speaker 1: his value. He's what he does in the locker room,
Speaker 1: what he does on the fields, off the field. It's
Speaker 1: all how he's embraced the change of the position with
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard getting more reps and and basically saying outright,
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, yeah, he's he's the explosive guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that's going to pound you into the ground.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about prior to lack thereof this
Speaker 1: that's unbridled maturity for Ezekiel Elliott. Compare those kinds of
Speaker 1: comments that we've been seeing from Ezekiel Elliott when incessantly
Speaker 1: asked the Tony Pollitt question over the course of this
Speaker 1: past season to the twenty sixteen version of Ezekiel Elliott. Though,
Speaker 1: this is a grown man right now, and this is
Speaker 1: one of the leaders of the locker room, much like
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, is much like de Marcus Lawrences and Layton
Speaker 1: vander Est. So that's what Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: mean when they say it's hard to quantify everything that
Speaker 1: Zeke brings to the table, and it's easy to look
Speaker 1: at this, you know what he's doing statistically and say, okay,
Speaker 1: well there's a little bit of a downturn there. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's also fair to say there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a downturn on Zeke because there is a lot
Speaker 1: of an upturn on Tony Pollard. So the question becomes,
Speaker 1: can they retain Tony Pollard? And how can you do that? Well,
Speaker 1: it's really easy. Tap again, Yeah, the easy button. Yeah,
Speaker 1: HiT's the easy button. How much gonna hit him? For
Speaker 1: point one? Ten? Point one, which is not bad for
Speaker 1: a guy that impacts your offense as heavily as Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: Is he more impactful? Straight question? He more impactful to
Speaker 1: adult shows? Absolutely? Then that's what you're paid, not even close,
Speaker 1: not even closed. There you go. You paid Dalton ten
Speaker 1: point nine? Okay? Did is that your salary? Oh? God?
Speaker 1: I wish. The problem with the Zeke dilemma right now
Speaker 1: is the money that will be owed. It's a seventeen
Speaker 1: million dollar cap hit next year, followed by fifteen million,
Speaker 1: followed by seventeen again, followed by sixteen point six. So
Speaker 1: right now is the best time to restructure this potential out.
Speaker 1: That's the middle of this contract. Who's been talking about
Speaker 1: this for two years? What podcasts on this network's been
Speaker 1: talking about this potential out for two years? Now? Cowboys,
Speaker 1: this is this is the time to do it. If
Speaker 1: you don't restructure it, all of your leverage is gone
Speaker 1: for the most part, because right now, if you were
Speaker 1: to cut Zeke, his dead cap for one year would
Speaker 1: be about twelve million. So instead of sixteen plus fifteen
Speaker 1: plus seventeen plus sixteen again, it would be twelve million. Done,
Speaker 1: You're out. So the leverage is on the Cowboys side. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't do it this year, you're going to
Speaker 1: be in trouble. What number are you comfortable with bringing
Speaker 1: Zeke back? At anything less than probably the franchise tag
Speaker 1: per year? If you're giving me a per ninety year
Speaker 1: right now, what's your what's your comfort? Too much? What's
Speaker 1: your comfort? Both of y'all? Give me six or seven? Okay?
Speaker 1: I would do that. And that's a lot for what
Speaker 1: he's turned into, which draw, third down, back, short yard
Speaker 1: and situation red zone? Guy, what do you think? I'm
Speaker 1: just doing a math in my head. If I tag polar,
Speaker 1: which I'm willing to do, that's ten million off the table.
Speaker 1: How much am I willing to commit to the position?
Speaker 1: Is what I'm thinking about. If you're the cap just
Speaker 1: got raised, the camps got raised by almost twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: that's a huge message. That's am Cooper on the roster.
Speaker 1: I know that's as salt in the wound, but that's
Speaker 1: twenty million a year, and that's what I'm already made.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do ten to both. So if I'm doing
Speaker 1: ten to one, I gotta go down on the other
Speaker 1: and seven and a half. Let me. See that's I
Speaker 1: was thinking. I'm thinking five when when he was bringing
Speaker 1: up how much you commit crossing over into disrespect, Well,
Speaker 1: I hear you, I get it. And that's why that's
Speaker 1: why I bring the question up, because there has to
Speaker 1: be a discussion between hey, we value you, got patty,
Speaker 1: you got you got rubbit shoulders. We had this conversation, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey we value you, we love you. It's his agent,
Speaker 1: but it's his shoulders and five million ain't got the
Speaker 1: con I hear, I hear you, But I mean to
Speaker 1: your point, we'll get to more personnel. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of other guys that have to get taken care of
Speaker 1: fair and what his agent is going to point out,
Speaker 1: fairly enough, is what we just pointed out. There's almost
Speaker 1: a twenty million dollars salary cap bump. And then you
Speaker 1: get to point in other positions and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: you could go ahead and extend your quarterback. And if
Speaker 1: you extend back, you you could save almost thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars in cap this year alone. That's our next topic
Speaker 1: of conversation. We'll get to that. So so if I'm
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elios agent, yes, I'm amicable to a pay cut
Speaker 1: or a restructure, but at the same time, it has
Speaker 1: to be a respectful call. He's supposed to get how
Speaker 1: much this year eleven the cap hit is sixteen point
Speaker 1: seven that's what hitleven point eight if they cut him,
Speaker 1: if they were to if they cut him, it would
Speaker 1: be a dead cap of eleven twelve million. Let's just
Speaker 1: say twelve. So if you're if you're talking eight, if
Speaker 1: you're talking eight million, nine million, thanks for reserving to
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you, Ezekiel Elliott. I'm willing to with
Speaker 1: all the all else that can be done. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to commit seventeen and a half to the running back position.
Speaker 1: A lot it is, But when you look at what
Speaker 1: you're committing too, though, look at what you're committing to.
Speaker 1: You're committing to a tandem that's arguably the best RB
Speaker 1: tandem in the game right now. And you're not over
Speaker 1: committing just yet because ten million of that is the
Speaker 1: franchise tag for Tony Pollard. That gives you a chance
Speaker 1: to revisit this whole situation in twenty twenty four. That
Speaker 1: was gonna be my next question. That point where Mollie
Speaker 1: Davis in this equation with it being seventeen million, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you rather just extend Pollard? But I see what you're saying, No,
Speaker 1: no long term commitment for the running back positions, and
Speaker 1: you absorb a lot of that with the bump in
Speaker 1: the salary cap over last year, you could absorb even
Speaker 1: you could free up that much more money with a
Speaker 1: restructure on Zach mar and DeMarcus Lawrence. You could restructure
Speaker 1: or just outright extend Dak Prescott, which will get to
Speaker 1: there is no shortage of triggers that can be pulled
Speaker 1: to make that easy. And not only easy, but power
Speaker 1: like seventeen and a half for one year is very
Speaker 1: very palatable. If that's going to keep this duo in
Speaker 1: tandem on that in the roster in a season where
Speaker 1: you're also switching play callers and offensive coordinators. How much
Speaker 1: change are you willing to take on. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: pay seventeen and a half million dollars at the position,
Speaker 1: So that part of it, the point of it, I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about because I'm still working out
Speaker 1: play calling an offensive coordination. But lost Skip Pete. You
Speaker 1: did lose Skip Pete. I don't think people understand how
Speaker 1: valuable he is you did. I really don't. Well, he
Speaker 1: understood that scenario better than anybody. Yeah, gosh, and he's
Speaker 1: a real one man. Yeah, there's a shortage of real
Speaker 1: ones out there, Kyle. He knows both of those guys
Speaker 1: like the back of their hand. Part of the reason
Speaker 1: why the whole turning over the position was so well
Speaker 1: received by Zeke was probably because of Skip Pete. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the words that Skip Pete we're telling
Speaker 1: to Zeke, telling to Pollard that that's why there was
Speaker 1: no animosity about each other, the raids, the names, the
Speaker 1: tandems that he had worked with. Everywhere he's been, the
Speaker 1: running back room has been solid successful. And I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know the conversations that happen behind the scenes, right,
Speaker 1: I haven't spoke with Skip and understand, you know the
Speaker 1: complexities asked to why he's no longer here. But that's
Speaker 1: that's a valuable piece that people out there need to
Speaker 1: understand that Dallas Cowboys just lost. Whether they lost it,
Speaker 1: whether they got rid of them, whatever, however you want
Speaker 1: to however you want to place it. He is a
Speaker 1: real one in the sense that he holds guys accountable.
Speaker 1: That was my issue with him. Leaving. That was my
Speaker 1: issue with Rob Davis leaving, leaving and Edwards leaving right
Speaker 1: he they all those guys held guys accountable, and I
Speaker 1: hate when locker rooms, in front office and coaching staffs
Speaker 1: lose guys that are outspoken and that will call out
Speaker 1: bs and hold guys accountable when they see it, because
Speaker 1: there's a shortage of that. So many people are concerned
Speaker 1: with keeping their jobs nowadays that they will go hush
Speaker 1: when something needs to be said. They will they will
Speaker 1: be mute and reserve themselves from saying the things that
Speaker 1: need to be said to keep everybody on one accord
Speaker 1: and keep everybody at a certain level of expectation. Those
Speaker 1: those three guys, especially Skippet, because that's a guy I'm
Speaker 1: closest with out of those three. He would not hold
Speaker 1: his tongue if he saw some mess going on. He
Speaker 1: would call you soft, if you're playing us off, if
Speaker 1: you need to old school ball, old school old schoolball coach,
Speaker 1: gosh period. He's going to be a very difficult one
Speaker 1: to replace, So I'm all lines on seeing who they
Speaker 1: bring into replace Skip Pete. It's just phenomenal human being, good,
Speaker 1: good old fashioned, old schoolball coach and just really really
Speaker 1: good at what he did. I just hope they don't
Speaker 1: bring in a yes man. That's my biggest thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just don't bring in a yes man. So we've already
Speaker 1: gotten one response. It's like two or three million dollars
Speaker 1: tops the heck out of here. But here's the thing
Speaker 1: that's that's what the value might be for what he brings.
Speaker 1: But there's no way that conversation would even start. No,
Speaker 1: there's no way you would even get the conversation. Person
Speaker 1: doesn't love the coun they like the Colnboys, they don't
Speaker 1: love the coupun number one. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It would it would have to take. I'd probably say
Speaker 1: four to eight anywhere in that window the conversations have
Speaker 1: agree because if it's over eight, the Cowboys aren't interested.
Speaker 1: If it's under four, Zeke's parties not interested. So that's
Speaker 1: where that's where you're at with I really think, I
Speaker 1: really think the numbers five. I personally think the numbers five.
Speaker 1: I could see five. The good news is, I feel
Speaker 1: like both sides are willing to have the discussion. Nobody's
Speaker 1: throwing the hard line on the sand right now. Cowboys
Speaker 1: where he's at in his career. Yeah, he knows where
Speaker 1: he's at. You know, somebody's aren't drawing the Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: line in the sand, saying, you know what, we could
Speaker 1: restructure and move this money around and save. But when
Speaker 1: you're just going to go ahead and part ways, when
Speaker 1: you're not there, and Zeke isn't saying, oh well, if
Speaker 1: if we try to reduce them, he's The thing is,
Speaker 1: when you're at that point of your career and you
Speaker 1: understand the value you have with that organization, the last
Speaker 1: thing you want to do is try to start jumping
Speaker 1: ship because you know that you'll never be that guy again.
Speaker 1: So if I'm never gonna be that guy again, then
Speaker 1: I just stay put listen. And I said, I've said
Speaker 1: this all season long as it relates to and again,
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking four Ezekiel Elliott speaking about Ezekiel right.
Speaker 1: I've said multiple times, even before reports came out that
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott would be willing to take a pay cut,
Speaker 1: I said, I could see why he would be willing
Speaker 1: to take one, and I believe that he will be
Speaker 1: willing to take one because he understands and he said it,
Speaker 1: he understands that if if I Ezekiel Elliott and willing
Speaker 1: to take less to remain in Dallas, and that less
Speaker 1: allows you to keep Tony Pollard, I just extended my career.
Speaker 1: You just in the point that you just brought up.
Speaker 1: And this is when the brotherhood comes in. And I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's selfish. You're talking about themselves when you care about
Speaker 1: the other guy that's in there room with you like
Speaker 1: he cares about Tony Pollard. I'm willing to take a
Speaker 1: back seat, right and whether I'm forced to or take
Speaker 1: a back seat or whatever, like, I'm willing to humble
Speaker 1: myself and put myself financially right in a disadvantage to
Speaker 1: ensure that my guy gets the bag because he's been
Speaker 1: riding with me for a minute, being in the shadows,
Speaker 1: and now I recognize and I'm now taking a step back.
Speaker 1: I want to keep this thing together. It is your time,
Speaker 1: You're time to shine. They will extend each other's career
Speaker 1: absolutely if they stick together. If they stick together, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. Which if that's the case, the leverage
Speaker 1: would I think fall in favor of Zeken in terms
Speaker 1: of excuse me in terms of the Cowboys, in terms
Speaker 1: of that that contract negotiation. So maybe it would be
Speaker 1: a lower number, but no two or three million. Ye,
Speaker 1: he'll walk before you even have a conversation. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's four to eight is the window for
Speaker 1: the topic of conversation to even start. Ideal number probably
Speaker 1: five or five and a half. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: where we're at. All right, let's take our second break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, let's talk about the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun topic lately. Let's talk about Dak Prescott.
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Speaker 1: of Say It with Your Chest Friday offseason edition. We'll
Speaker 1: be back at our normal time starting next week, which
Speaker 1: is Tuesdays at eleven. Is it eleven or ten? Beamer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got that in front of you. We haven't had
Speaker 1: a normal off season show yet, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to really tell. Ten o'clock on Tuesdays? Is that
Speaker 1: what you said? Okay? Cool? So yeah, ten o'clock on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Put it on your calendar. I need to put it
Speaker 1: on mine for this upcoming Tuesday and throughout the rest
Speaker 1: of the offseason. Patrick no c Walker, Isaiah stand back,
Speaker 1: Chris Beam, I'm Kyle Yeoman's let's talk about the quarterback
Speaker 1: position looks. So of course, both Jerry Jones and Stephen
Speaker 1: talking during the media session or at least a quick
Speaker 1: media session during the Senior Bowl, would ask if he
Speaker 1: would if the Cowboys would be interested in contract talks
Speaker 1: with the QB again, which would include an extension and
Speaker 1: lower his cap hit. They said, Dak is going to
Speaker 1: be our guy for hopefully the next ten years. You
Speaker 1: say that it's a long time because he's already played
Speaker 1: six or seven, but I think Dak will play is
Speaker 1: long or play that long because he takes care of
Speaker 1: himself and he's driven to be great, and we fully
Speaker 1: expect him to be here for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: So if they want that to happen, they've got two
Speaker 1: years left on his contract. Of course, Dak's original numbers
Speaker 1: were some of the top in the league. If you
Speaker 1: haven't taken a chance to look at where he ranks,
Speaker 1: now take a look, because right now, the media or
Speaker 1: the market for a quarterback position, Daniel Jones right now
Speaker 1: is expected to receive a contract of about four years,
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty million dollars. That is exactly the
Speaker 1: contract that Dak Prescott was given. And that's for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: So even though it was the top quarterback contract in
Speaker 1: the league for a split second, it's not anymore. You're
Speaker 1: actually saving a significant number of cash on his contract
Speaker 1: right now. But you can even do better than that,
Speaker 1: and you can extend him while his value is lower,
Speaker 1: and you can try and pull that out over the
Speaker 1: next five or six years instead on the next two
Speaker 1: or three. So, Isaiah, when you look at Dak, are
Speaker 1: you confident enough to extend him? But are you also
Speaker 1: you're kind of hedging your bets bets by extending him
Speaker 1: at a lower contract. Hit, I'm not extending him based
Speaker 1: off of performance. If that's what you're asking, I would
Speaker 1: extend him for organizational structure right in terms of the
Speaker 1: salary cap, hits and all the things that you were
Speaker 1: starting to starting to touch on the thought of extending
Speaker 1: Dak right now. I don't like it personally. Now, kudos
Speaker 1: to him, he gets extension and all that, Jazz, I
Speaker 1: hope the best all that, But business wise, in terms
Speaker 1: of performings and getting this team to where you want
Speaker 1: them to be, I can't give him extension. Not me.
Speaker 1: I'm all about performance. If you're not putting out, you're
Speaker 1: not putting out, and I'm gonna get somebody here to
Speaker 1: compete with you. Either you they're gonna get pushed into
Speaker 1: that position that I want you to be in, or
Speaker 1: this person's gonna ascend and hopefully take us there. I
Speaker 1: don't see. I don't see the benefit aside from a
Speaker 1: salary cap and extending him. That's about as blunt as
Speaker 1: I can beya, salary cap wise, it's it's obvious if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys extend him, and this is per overthcap dot com,
Speaker 1: they get twenty three point nine roughly twenty three point
Speaker 1: nine million dollars in savings both this year and twenty
Speaker 1: six point two million dollars in savings next year. We'll
Speaker 1: hold up twenty nine this year if they were to
Speaker 1: re extend. If they were to extend him twenty three
Speaker 1: point seven, that is a lot of extra cast of
Speaker 1: extra three ballers a ton. That's it's I mean, look
Speaker 1: at the guys that they signed with the twenty million
Speaker 1: from Amari. They signed Anthony Barr, they resigned late Vander
Speaker 1: esh Darnce Armstraw. I believe jay Ron Curse was probably
Speaker 1: into that mix as well. I mean, they got guys MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Cooker there that's a lot of it just off one player.
Speaker 1: That's one triggers wise, it makes more than sense. It's
Speaker 1: just it's right there now production wise. Here's why I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it, because you've seen what a help with
Speaker 1: a healthy Dak Prescott can be almost five thousand yards
Speaker 1: only a few shots a single season passing yards record
Speaker 1: over Tony robot Um MVP conversations a couple of seasons ago.
Speaker 1: Now I understand what is said is saying, hell, it's
Speaker 1: the sciences and my articles he struggled last year. I
Speaker 1: also put in because something popped in my head. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if not only we know that he was pressing,
Speaker 1: we know he was pressing right, he was playing hero ball.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have been playing hero ball in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder because keep in mind that the
Speaker 1: fracture thumb was on his throwing hand. Yes, yep, I
Speaker 1: wonder if that slightly altered his feel for the ball
Speaker 1: in the release. And I say that to say I
Speaker 1: could make the argument in my mind that with a
Speaker 1: full offseason, he'll get his timy back, his field back,
Speaker 1: his release back, or he will adapt recalibrate to what
Speaker 1: I should say, But more than anything, for me, it's
Speaker 1: it's the QB's coach variable, because when our beloved John
Speaker 1: Kittna was in the building, Dak Prescott turned the corner
Speaker 1: and he became that MVP caliber quarterback who was flinging
Speaker 1: around when he also had the personnel to do so
Speaker 1: at wide receiver and the offensive coorded was unleashing that
Speaker 1: all things were working and were humming. I've seen that
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Again not saying nus Meier did a poor job,
Speaker 1: but we can't ignore the obvious and the objective fact
Speaker 1: is under Nusmire, Dak Prescott became an interception machine. Nusmire's
Speaker 1: no longer in the building. So if the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: bring in a quarterbacks coach who can fix that part
Speaker 1: of Dak Prescott, then there's nothing that tells me that
Speaker 1: he's not worth an extension that would not only guarantee
Speaker 1: you don't have to revisit the quarterback market because you
Speaker 1: got a twenty sixth overall pick, you don't have a
Speaker 1: top pick. And if anybody who follows the draft and
Speaker 1: Kyl runs the Draft show, so you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to draft capital and moving up, people say all
Speaker 1: the time Oh, I won't you just move up to
Speaker 1: the top five from twenty six. Nope, that's a whole mortgage.
Speaker 1: That's like a two or three year mortgage to do it,
Speaker 1: So that's not realistic, and you might lose Cooper Russian
Speaker 1: free agency. You don't know just yet what you got
Speaker 1: in Will Grier as a QB two. That's too much change,
Speaker 1: it's too much even for the next two year period.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, get a new QB coach in who can
Speaker 1: help Dak fix the interception problem that just cropped up
Speaker 1: over the back half of last season. Wasn't really here
Speaker 1: before then. Coaches, don't go against your cap, and go
Speaker 1: and doesn't go against your cap, and you'll net roughly
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars in cap savings over the next two
Speaker 1: years as well. Do it. Do it. It's the popular opinion,
Speaker 1: but it's just the right thing to do right now.
Speaker 1: In terms of average salary per year, Dak Prescott is
Speaker 1: ninth out of the quarterback position. Some of the guys
Speaker 1: in front of him, yeah, right, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: Derek car just got cut by the way, he's gonna
Speaker 1: not be on his team next year. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing is, those are the eight guys in front of
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott in terms of what he's getting paid per year.
Speaker 1: This isn't total value total value. I think it's even
Speaker 1: more so. I think he's like tenth or something like that.
Speaker 1: Let me see, I'll give you total value in two seconds.
Speaker 1: He's eighth in total value, so a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: So if you take the link of this contract and
Speaker 1: you're able to restructure it or extend him, you take
Speaker 1: that average per year down, take it to like what
Speaker 1: would be a good number, like thirty four or thirty three,
Speaker 1: which would be less than what you're even gonna pay
Speaker 1: for a cap hit this year he'd be paying. He'd
Speaker 1: be paid less then Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: on top of that list that I just gave you,
Speaker 1: So he'd be middle of the road contract average per year.
Speaker 1: Why would you not do that and take a guy
Speaker 1: who's still correct in his twenties and take him and
Speaker 1: extend it out for a couple more years, four or
Speaker 1: five more years, and you extend him. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great move, especially right now. Like I said, when
Speaker 1: the value is low. He's not coming off of an
Speaker 1: MVP caliber season. Recap wise, I'm in total agreeance with y'all.
Speaker 1: But you just don't think the performance is there. Correct.
Speaker 1: Here's the hedgings. So I think there's two reasons why
Speaker 1: you extend somebody right we're talking about him. Either the
Speaker 1: performance and you're like, hey, hey, Gail, we want you
Speaker 1: here around here for a long time because you're just killing.
Speaker 1: We can give you more money. Yeah, absolutely, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna go here, or it's just like, okay, you're about
Speaker 1: to kill our capt's, let's figure out a way to
Speaker 1: save and get us some savings. It's definitely the second one. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: absolutely the second one. Also, in that same conversation at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, what did they say about the possibility
Speaker 1: of drafting a quarterback. We're going to hit that on
Speaker 1: the Draft show coming up on Tuesday by or Wednesday,
Speaker 1: by the way, But they said, we are committed now
Speaker 1: to drafting a quarterback now, and we probably should have
Speaker 1: done one previous. It should have took the New England approach.
Speaker 1: And it's funny you said that because we were talking
Speaker 1: about that offline and not a few days later. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones says they regret not taking the approach of drafting
Speaker 1: every single year because it gives you insurance and a
Speaker 1: developmental guy that if it turns out your franchise guy
Speaker 1: continues to trend upward and the rookie contract comes up
Speaker 1: to expire on the on the developmental guy, you trade him,
Speaker 1: you get some assets, you draft, you've got another one
Speaker 1: in the pipeline. So it's the Belichick style of drafting.
Speaker 1: See it's not even just Belichick now too, though. But
Speaker 1: who were the last two quarterbacks that beat you this year?
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy, He's a rookie drafted as the final pick
Speaker 1: of the of the twenty twenty two draft. Brock Purdy
Speaker 1: beat you with San Francisco. Who was the second of
Speaker 1: the last quarterback that beat you? Washington Washington, Sam Howe
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. Both of those teams had two quarterbacks already.
Speaker 1: Washington had both of their guys ed Carson Wentz, Taylor Heineke,
Speaker 1: but it Sam how the beach here in the final
Speaker 1: week the regular season, just in case. San Francisco Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo and Trey Lance. Yet it was Brock Purdy, who's
Speaker 1: now sending them to an NFC championship game. So you
Speaker 1: drafting these quarterbacks not a bad thing. It's insurance. Go
Speaker 1: out and get one. If you're walking around here without insurance,
Speaker 1: you know you're living life on the edge. Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been living life on the edge. Yeah, just call
Speaker 1: it what it is. Call it what it is, all right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun one today. We had a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about. We'll be back on Tuesday, ten am
Speaker 1: Central time, and we'll be on tuesdays from here on out.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the ice stage more ice storms. Yeah, let's keep
Speaker 1: all that out of here. Next we could be eighty
Speaker 1: two degrees. Yeah, it's bed sweating. Believe you be on
Speaker 1: the beach next week. Commando Kyle, Kyle, everybody make that.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna make another another video on Twitter for it
Speaker 1: for Chris be Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Nose walk a round,
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll see
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