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Speaker 1: I am in Jerusalem, in Israel. Buck is in Miami.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have a lot to talk about about

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Speaker 1: the things that I have been seeing here. Been touring

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Speaker 1: all over this country with the International Fellowship of Christians

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Speaker 1: and Jews, a lot, a lot to discuss. But this

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Speaker 1: morning in Israel, I went to go tour the terror

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Speaker 1: sites of October seventh, all over the southern portion of

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Speaker 1: Israel where these attacks took place. And one of those

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Speaker 1: places was the Nova Music Festival where over four hundred

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Speaker 1: young men and women were murdered in cold blood by

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Speaker 1: Hamas terrorists when they had gone to attend a music festival.

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Speaker 1: We are joined now by a mother of one of

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Speaker 1: the hostages who was taken there. Her name is Edith Ohell.

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Speaker 1: She is a mother of She will be with us shortly.

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Speaker 1: She was at this Nova festival and Buck. I went

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Speaker 1: to the Nova site. It is sobering on a level

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Speaker 1: that I'm not sure I've ever experienced before. It's still

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Speaker 1: raw the site itself, but they have different placards up

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Speaker 1: with the pictures of every individual who was murdered there,

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Speaker 1: and you can walk through all of them, turning and

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Speaker 1: looking at all of these different young faces everywhere you go.

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Speaker 1: These young men, these young women who were murdered in

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Speaker 1: cold blood, and their families for many of them, have

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Speaker 1: put up biographies, so you can read a few paragraphs

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Speaker 1: about all of these young people's lives. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the eventual situation on the site will be

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Speaker 1: buck but as I was walking around there fourteen months

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Speaker 1: after the deadliest day for Jewish people since the Holocaust,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help but be struck by the fact that

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Speaker 1: hundreds of years from now, long after everybody has passed

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Speaker 1: that is listening to us right now, there will be

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Speaker 1: people going to this site to experience what happened to

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Speaker 1: Israel on that day.

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Speaker 2: And I also.

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Speaker 1: Visited many of the different communities nearby. And we now

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Speaker 1: have Edith Ohel, whose mother who is the mother of Alon,

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Speaker 1: one of the hostages still being held after over four

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Speaker 1: hundred days. We appreciate you joining us. Can you tell

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Speaker 1: us eat it about your son and what October seventh

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Speaker 1: was like for you? How did you become aware of

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Speaker 1: what happened to him?

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Speaker 3: Well, Firshie, thank you for letting me speak and talk

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Speaker 3: about this. They appreciate it alone. You know, it was

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Speaker 3: just that night before the seventh of October, decided to

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Speaker 3: go to the Nova Festival. He got the tickets that day,

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Speaker 3: so I know he was going to the Nova Festival,

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Speaker 3: and I know he was going with friends. He got

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Speaker 3: there around about five thirty in the morning, and like

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Speaker 3: a half an hour later, everything started to happen, you know,

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Speaker 3: rockets falling down, and they needed to find cover. So

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Speaker 3: they got into the car and they drove to a

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Speaker 3: bomb shelter, which is right like five minutes from where

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Speaker 3: the Nova Festival was. They got into this bomb shelter

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Speaker 3: and they were just thinking firstly that they were just

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Speaker 3: getting cover from the rockets. They weren't thinking about the

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Speaker 3: fact that they were uh harmas terrists coming into Israel,

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Speaker 3: three thousand terrorisms coming in. They were just you know,

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Speaker 3: So they were waiting about half an hour for the

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Speaker 3: rackets to stop, and and then Hamas comes to the

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Speaker 3: to the bomb shelter and starts to shoot people inside,

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Speaker 3: throwing grenades into the bomb shelter. This one person called

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Speaker 3: the bomb shelters they were throwing the Hamas throwing bombs inside.

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Speaker 3: He was taking the bombs in his hand and throwing

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Speaker 3: them outside. Alone also throw through two bombs and it

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Speaker 3: was horrific. It was terrible. One of the grenades Uh

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Speaker 3: exploded inside and Alona and you know, a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot of people were injured. There were about twenty

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Speaker 3: seven people at that day in that bomb shelter. Now

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Speaker 3: you have to understand that bomb shelter can only you

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Speaker 3: know it can it can get inside and feel comfortable.

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Speaker 3: As you say, about six or eight people at that day,

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Speaker 3: there were twenty seven Alone's you know age group trying

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Speaker 3: to get cover from all of this. After the bomb

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Speaker 3: exploded inside the Hamas comes and Uh and grabs and

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Speaker 3: takes Alone and three others. One of them was also

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Speaker 3: Hirsh Golden boat called Nunbook Pouline. He was also taken

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Speaker 3: with Alone. We at that time was around seven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: We went with the dogs out and we understood that

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Speaker 3: something was going on. When my father called and said,

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Speaker 3: you know, something is going on. Where is Alone? Do

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Speaker 3: you know where he is? And I said, well, he's

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Speaker 3: at the Nova festival. So I wasn't that worried, but

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Speaker 3: he told me that something is definitely going on and

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Speaker 3: we should make sure that Alone is fine. So we

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Speaker 3: called him, he didn't answer. We wrote them in SMS

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Speaker 3: we asked him where he is and if he's fine,

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Speaker 3: and he said, and there was a message sent to

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Speaker 3: us that he was at a bomb shelter and that

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Speaker 3: he was fine. And right after that we asked, how

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Speaker 3: are you send pictures one to see and that was

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Speaker 3: the last time we were in contact. What we know

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Speaker 3: is that at eight o'clock was exactly the time that

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Speaker 3: he was kidnapped. Actually enforced disappearance, it's not a kidnapping,

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Speaker 3: it's more like an enforced disappearance, which is a little

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Speaker 3: bit different, and that was that. So when he was grabbed,

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Speaker 3: when they were grabbing him and pulling him and putting

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Speaker 3: him on the truck, his phone fell. So that was

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Speaker 3: that's why the message was the scent that that's exact time.

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Speaker 3: It's terrific, It's it's terrible. We I knew that Elo

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Speaker 3: was kidnapped when my husband came back from Sirocca Hospital

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Speaker 3: trying to find him. His phone actually was got there

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Speaker 3: because somebody at the bomb shelter that was not kidnapped

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Speaker 3: took the phone with him. And when a guy came

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Speaker 3: and to rescue the seventh that was that survived. Nineteen

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Speaker 3: were murdered that day after they took Alone and hersh

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Speaker 3: and know two others. The the hot mask comes and

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Speaker 3: shoots everybody to kill and the ones who survived were

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Speaker 3: injured but survived. They got to the hospital and one

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Speaker 3: of them survivor took Al on the phone. So so

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Speaker 3: my husband was going to Soroka to find him. Obviously

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Speaker 3: he didn't find him, but Alone's best friend was one

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Speaker 3: of the ones who survived and he actually told the

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Speaker 3: police what happened, so we knew that that was kidnapped

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Speaker 3: that day. Eat it.

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Speaker 1: What has it been like to have a son held

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Speaker 1: hostage now for over four hundred days. How have you

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Speaker 1: and your family been dealing with that?

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's terrible. It's it's you can't comprehend

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Speaker 3: the stress that we are going through knowing that Alone

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Speaker 3: was kidnapped. We don't know exactly where he is, we

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Speaker 3: don't know how he is, we don't know anything. And

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Speaker 3: just just to try to survive that is just inbearable.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're not working, me and my husband, what

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Speaker 3: we're trying to do for every second of the day

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Speaker 3: is advocate for him for a loan and make sure

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Speaker 3: that people know about this. And that's everything that govern

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Speaker 3: our government and hamas and whoever, and also obviously in

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Speaker 3: the States, make sure that some kind of an agreement

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Speaker 3: can can come and that there will come home. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's scary to know that each day is for them.

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Speaker 3: It's actually it's not an each day, it's every single minute.

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Speaker 3: It's hard thinking about what they have got, what he

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Speaker 3: is going for. You know, he's probably under the tunnels

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Speaker 3: for about four hundred and thirty days. Today he's probably

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's getting enough food to eat.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's getting air. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: just you know, that basic right we're taking from him.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if he's getting sleep. I

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Speaker 3: don't know anything. And for me, for a mother, it's

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Speaker 3: just sometimes I cannot breathe. You have to understand Alone

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Speaker 3: was taken from Israeli land, and what alone was in

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Speaker 3: the Nova festival. He was not fighting anybody, he was

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Speaker 3: not doing anything wrong. He's an innocent civilian that was taken, kidnapped,

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Speaker 3: brutally kidnapped from his home. You know Alone's friends were

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Speaker 3: kidnapped from their homes, from their homes, from their beds.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's not right. It's in any way, in

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Speaker 3: any you know, the ICRC, the Red Cross has not

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Speaker 3: seen them fo one hundred and thirty days, they have

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Speaker 3: not seen the hostages. Nobody knows except I guess harm us.

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Speaker 3: What's there? You know, status, Yes, I believe Alone was

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Speaker 3: taken alive. Okay, Alone was taking in love. There's a footage,

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Speaker 3: a video phootage showing that. So I know that a

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Speaker 3: lot that Alone was taken alive, and I believe in

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Speaker 3: my heart that he is alive. You know, the what

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Speaker 3: what they tell us is that he was taking a

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Speaker 3: love and as long as there's not any other thing

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Speaker 3: saying different, he's alive. So you know, this is a

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Speaker 3: humanitarian issue. This is not a political one. And it's

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Speaker 3: it's for me, it's it's all my life.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I have not seen my son. You know, he had

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Speaker 3: his birthday on the tenth of February, and I couldn't

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Speaker 3: talk to him. I couldn't say happy birthday, nothing. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the fact that that I that I

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Speaker 3: miss how I to hug it like how does it

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Speaker 3: feel to hug your son? You know, I sometimes I forget.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm thinking about how a lung looks like. And

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Speaker 3: I have to look at pictures sometimes to remind me

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Speaker 3: exactly his color, his eye color exactly, you know, the

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Speaker 3: way his nose, you know is And Alani is also

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Speaker 3: a pianist. So the whole thing I'm thinking about is

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Speaker 3: I hope and I pray that he is sitting thinking

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Speaker 3: about music and probably playing with his hands. Now. I

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Speaker 3: was just thinking about, you know, the pianist. You know

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Speaker 3: the movie how there's a there's like a scene where

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Speaker 3: where he is in the and it's it's like in

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Speaker 3: the uh Shunk kind of you know where the Jewish

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Speaker 3: it's kept him, you know, somewhere, and he's like thinking

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Speaker 3: about how does he feel to play?

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Speaker 2: Eat it.

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Speaker 1: We want your son to be home and one hundred

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Speaker 1: other hostages, as you said, have still been held for

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Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty days. You wrote a great piece

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Speaker 1: that has posted it the Clay and Buck website, laying

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Speaker 1: out exactly your son's story, your family's pursuit of him.

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Speaker 1: I would encourage everybody to go check it out at

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Speaker 1: clayanbuck dot com. Eat it We're praying for you and

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Speaker 1: your family as well. Thank you for sharing this story,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that with Donald Trump coming into office

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Speaker 1: that there can be some sort of resolution and these

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Speaker 1: hostages can all come home.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I wish so too, Thank you, Thank you all right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about you. I've never been

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Speaker 1: A McDonald's will also add buck, New York Times says

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Speaker 1: We played Jordan Neely's father saying the system is rigged,

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Speaker 2: Cut twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Here is BLM leader Hawk Newsome calling for black vigilanteism.

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Speaker 1: This was right outside the courtroom in the immediate aftermath

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Speaker 6: Everybody else has vigilantes. We need some black vigilanites. People

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Speaker 2: You're looking for us to be like, oh.

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Speaker 6: This weekend, I want you to haul a community event

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Speaker 1: Okay, Buck, that's a pretty aggressive call for black vigilanteism

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Speaker 1: I do think the fact that the verdict comes in

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Speaker 2: You aren't being.

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Speaker 2: Buck? Based on this verdict in a limited way. Look,

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Speaker 2: You know, just be aware that there could be some

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Speaker 2: You know, York City, in New York as a state

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Speaker 2: I think people have had enough. I think people have

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Speaker 1: We also have another, even more explicit call for violence.

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Speaker 1: This is from Shavanna Newsom. These are all things that

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Speaker 4: The only crime that Jordan Neely was guilty of was

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Speaker 4: after three hours. The justice system would have found him

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Speaker 4: These wonderful white people, I hope they celebrate their Christmas

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Speaker 2: You know, this is what you expect from BLM. This

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Speaker 2: I think that Clay, the momentum is not with these voices.

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Speaker 1: How do you think the media would cover it if

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Speaker 2: a lot of New Yorkers are just sick of somebody

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Speaker 2: coming on the subway and threatening to kill them because

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Speaker 2: they think that somehow that is I don't know what is.

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Speaker 2: And Jordan Neely's a dangerous was a dangerous schizophrenic, and

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Speaker 2: the City of New York arrested him in the City

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Speaker 2: of New York, failed to lock him up, and failed

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Speaker 2: to prosecute him and incarcerate him for a length of

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Speaker 2: time that would have kept him from being there. You know,

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Speaker 2: you start to see the failures of the state because

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Speaker 2: of the racial politics of the state, and specifically the

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Speaker 2: racial politics of New York City's District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

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Speaker 2: People are tiring of this. The jury has tired of this.

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Speaker 2: They just want us all to be treated like people,

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Speaker 2: protected under the law and treated equally under the law.

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Speaker 1: Some breaking news on the United Healthcare CEO murder case.

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Speaker 1: Carol Markowitz, our friend has shared the name and a

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Speaker 1: photo of the individual, and it does look a great

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Speaker 1: deal like him, twenty six years old from Maryland, and

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Speaker 1: I believe there is about to be an NYPD press conference.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like they have got this guy that was

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Speaker 1: the shooter in that case. And he has been identified

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Speaker 1: as Buck, an ex Ivy League student, anti capitalist, climate

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Speaker 1: change activist. So one might say that we got a

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Speaker 1: case of far left wing violence here and maybe someone

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Speaker 1: being motivated by that.

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Speaker 2: A Biden voter most likely, if we're just if we're

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Speaker 2: going to surmise, this guy's not Maga, this guy's not

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Speaker 2: a Trump person. This guy's some lunatic leftist. If you

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Speaker 2: look historically, who are the people that are assassins, They're anarchists,

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Speaker 2: they're leftists, they're communists. Uh, there's a reason for this.

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Speaker 2: Their their belief lends itself were always i should say,

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Speaker 2: inevitably devolves into a radicalism and not not really not

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Speaker 2: really surprised here. I think, what when when we find

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Speaker 2: out more about the individual. Clay, Let's take some calls

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Speaker 2: on this as well. Vip emails too coming up here,

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Speaker 2: and will follow this. But yeah, it looks like they've

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Speaker 2: got somebody who allegedly did it. You know, we'll see,

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Speaker 2: we'll follow up on this one. You know, the holidays

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Speaker 2: as well. Clay, I want to just ask you before

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Speaker 2: we get some of these emails Jerusalem, how is it

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Speaker 2: as a first first time in that city. I mean

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Speaker 2: you walked in I did this as well. You walked

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Speaker 2: in the steps of Jesus.

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Speaker 5: How was it?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: It's I wish every single person listening to us right

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Speaker 1: now would get the opportunity to come to Jerusalem, regardless

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Speaker 1: of your religion. I mean, you're within a few hundred

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Speaker 1: yards of holy places for Christians, Jews, Muslims. Jerusalem itself

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable in the context of we think of something

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Speaker 1: in our country as being old buck, if it's a

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Speaker 1: couple hundred years old, we're like, oh my goodness. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about looking at Biblical era monuments that were

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Speaker 1: built that are still standing thousands of years later.

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Speaker 2: And the Temple Mountain has been there for a while,

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Speaker 2: been there a long time. Then the Western Wall has

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Speaker 2: been there for a long time. And to your point,

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Speaker 2: it is interesting not only to see these sites, but

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Speaker 2: also to walk in the steps of biblical history. It

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Speaker 2: just brings to stark relief so many different aspects of

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Speaker 2: modern life that is rooted in ancient history.

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Speaker 1: And I would just I can't tell you enow. First

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Speaker 1: of all, there's hardly anybody here who's an American, so

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Speaker 1: there's nobody walking around in the comparison to normal in

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Speaker 1: the Old City of Jerusalem. You heard us talking about

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Speaker 1: visiting the border with Lebanon, about visiting the border with Gaza.

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Speaker 1: I've been all over this country over the last four days,

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Speaker 1: and I feel incredibly grateful to get to make this trip.

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Speaker 1: And I know many people have this on sort of

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Speaker 1: their bucket list, and I would encourage you to try

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Speaker 1: to fulfill that because I do think you would find

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Speaker 1: in many ways a spiritual awakening, regardless of your background,

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Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to come here.

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Speaker 2: The old the Old City of Jerusalem particular is amazing,

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Speaker 2: and I just I love my time around the Israeli

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Speaker 2: people as well. They're so they're so welcoming and honestly

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Speaker 2: happy to see Americans in particular, So it's it's a

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Speaker 2: great thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Angie in Birmingham, Alabama wants to weigh in on the

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Speaker 2: Penny verdict. What's going on, Angie?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Well, okay, I'm in Birmingham and I deal with

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Speaker 7: psychiatric issues in my past history as a social worker,

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Speaker 7: and it is totally not racist. We all know that.

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Speaker 7: I will guarantee you most of the black community knows

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Speaker 7: this is not a racist issue. But BLM is all

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Speaker 7: about dividing and anger and wanting to have a reason

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Speaker 7: to protest. They've been waiting for any moment to protest.

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Speaker 3: But my one thing that I thought was one of.

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Speaker 7: You said, you know, yes, we're very sorry for his family,

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Speaker 7: Neely's family and the loss. The dad did not sound

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Speaker 7: like a dad who was sad.

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Speaker 3: He sounds smug.

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Speaker 7: He sounded like you owe us something.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I don't. I don't want to thank you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to judge a parent's grief. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I can start from the That

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Speaker 2: was Buck who said, by the way, I'm not in

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Speaker 2: his head. I don't know, And but I do think

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Speaker 2: that appearing because there's a payday involved now suddenly is

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Speaker 2: something that people are allowed to comment on and be

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Speaker 2: very aware of. And where were where was this family beforehand?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to say the man isn't grieving,

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Speaker 2: but I am going to say that suddenly he wants

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Speaker 2: a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to be a dad soon. I'm a

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Speaker 1: dad of three boys already. To not be involved in

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Speaker 1: your son's life in any substantial way and then show

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Speaker 1: up and file a wrongful death lawsuit when he dies

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Speaker 1: and decide that you need to be in the courtroom

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Speaker 1: and speaking. It's awfully interesting that you weren't there for

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Speaker 1: your son in life, but you decide to show up

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Speaker 1: in death and when you're seeking a payday. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound like the kind of dad that I would aspire

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Speaker 1: to be. I know, it's certainly not the kind of

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Speaker 1: dad that you would aspire to be, you know, be

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Speaker 1: there for your sons and daughters in life, to show

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Speaker 1: up after their death when you've had virtually no relationship

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Speaker 1: with them for their entire life, and claim that you

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Speaker 1: are some zealous advocate for your son. I'm sorry as

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Speaker 1: a dad, I don't buy it, and I think Daniel Penny,

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Speaker 1: the right verdict was given.

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Speaker 2: If you cared about your son, you should have been

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Speaker 2: there with him before we got the United Healthcare killer

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Speaker 2: case a presser. We'll bring it to you in a

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Speaker 2: second