Speaker 1: I would answer the Brown Connoli question. That would have
Speaker 1: been lights out to Catherine Frank, you play it cool.
Speaker 1: They might even let you in on that hot color.
Speaker 1: Those kings are craving, which has been orange for the
Speaker 1: last thirty five years or so. My knee jerk, initial
Speaker 1: gut reaction. It's discomfort, it's distrust, it's fear. Oh, I
Speaker 1: can learn how to tie a bimitate, but you can't
Speaker 1: even tie a clinch knock. You know. Good morning, Degenerate
Speaker 1: Angler is welcome to Bend the fishing podcast that hates
Speaker 1: this song but agrees with the sentiment. I'm Joe Surmelie
Speaker 1: Miles Nulty, and I hate the Eagles many that's a
Speaker 1: good one, so do I. And before you can even ask,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna tell you that the theme
Speaker 1: of the show um is a celebration of right coast
Speaker 1: fishing and that there's nothing you can do about it. Man. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's the theme of like half
Speaker 1: our shows. No it isn't. Yes, that's like, what is
Speaker 1: it this week? Oh, we're gonna celebrate the East coast again.
Speaker 1: Like when do I get to do a celebration of
Speaker 1: Montana fishing? When does that happen? Never? Never, you know why,
Speaker 1: because they're already like eight hundred thousand articles, are twenty
Speaker 1: thousand books, forty bazillion YouTube videos, five million short films,
Speaker 1: and like a Hollywood movie about that. Like I would say,
Speaker 1: it's been covered um and and look, dude, nobody cares
Speaker 1: about your western trout anymore. Okay, they're all dying. They're
Speaker 1: all dying of heat, exhaustion and COVID. Yeah, I'm right.
Speaker 1: In like ten years, Montana will be barren waste land
Speaker 1: of just like common carbon gold eye. But here here,
Speaker 1: out here on the east coast, we will still have
Speaker 1: stripers and snakeheads and chad and mass and catfish mahi
Speaker 1: we have them, pickerole, we have pike talg um. And
Speaker 1: even if you traut when we get bored. So that
Speaker 1: was that was, Are you done? Yeah? I can be.
Speaker 1: I just think of us like we're like the like
Speaker 1: the like in water world, like the one piece of
Speaker 1: land that will be left out here. That was first
Speaker 1: of all, that was a low blow. If I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to talk now, because it's not funny your bleak, for
Speaker 1: it's true, your whole bleak forecast about the cold water
Speaker 1: fisheries in the state. It's said, it's all sad, like
Speaker 1: you're making jokes about our pain. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I've kind of made a career out of that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It sucks, man, Yeah, Like, let's
Speaker 1: all have a good laugh at the fact that all
Speaker 1: the fish are dying. I'm honestly just glad I'm not
Speaker 1: guiding anymore. That's that's my one true silver line, whatever
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. I'm I now have the luxury
Speaker 1: of choosing not to fish without going broke, and not
Speaker 1: everybody can do that, and that just sucks. But I'm
Speaker 1: going to step in now in defense of my adopted
Speaker 1: home because I think you're selling the treasure stage short.
Speaker 1: First number one, you you made this point without even
Speaker 1: meaning to gold eye are bad ass, like you made
Speaker 1: a jokeling comb and corp and gold eye. But gold
Speaker 1: eye are sweet, sweet fish and I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: fin clips on them very soon because I'm willing to
Speaker 1: be at least our audience has never even heard of
Speaker 1: a gold eye, So probably for reminding me, you weren't
Speaker 1: trying to do me a favorite, but you did. Second,
Speaker 1: Montana has some of the best overlooked lake fishing in
Speaker 1: the country. But because of all that oversaturated trout media
Speaker 1: you mentioned, nobody comes here for anything but the non
Speaker 1: native trout. So I'll tell you what, Come do a
Speaker 1: b side with me. We will fish Montana without ever
Speaker 1: seeing a trout or picking up a fly rod. That's
Speaker 1: what we'll do, all right. In fact, to add on
Speaker 1: to that, I think it would make a fantastic opportunity
Speaker 1: for you to try out what you've been threatening to
Speaker 1: use but not actually using. The coalition swim baits from
Speaker 1: thirteen Fishing, which one the Bam, the Dean or the
Speaker 1: Gil the bamp in golden retriever color for exactly that
Speaker 1: one because it looks enough like a cisco the big
Speaker 1: pike and smallmouth on a certain lake out here absolutely
Speaker 1: destroy it. These baits because I know you don't know yet,
Speaker 1: but they fish very similar to certain other molded swim
Speaker 1: baits that will run nearly a hundred bucks each. But
Speaker 1: you can get a coalition swim bait for less than twenty.
Speaker 1: And I also know whether told you this, but I
Speaker 1: think that the shadd eating stripers on your local rivers
Speaker 1: will hammer these things. I think that they are going
Speaker 1: to be like extremely effective over there next spring, You've
Speaker 1: got to set aside. I know you love your like
Speaker 1: fast aggressive plugging. I know it works, but I'm telling
Speaker 1: you got tried some slower swim baits and see what happens,
Speaker 1: because it could be a lot of fun. Well, I
Speaker 1: got some news for you, big shooter. I already have
Speaker 1: some of news, okay, but I just got them like midsummer,
Speaker 1: so I haven't really gotten it chucked them yet. Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't have to wait for spring. I don't
Speaker 1: have to wait for spring. They'll they'll work in the
Speaker 1: Isn't that when the shad run though, is in the spring?
Speaker 1: That's that's when the shad run the river. That's river stripers.
Speaker 1: But you know we have that whole awesome coastal migration
Speaker 1: that happens twice a year too, So you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I heard about that somewhere. I don't know, how are
Speaker 1: the coastal migrations in Montana? So so so all those coalitions, uh,
Speaker 1: they'll be playing in salt here with me this fall. Also,
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing this back to the theme, which
Speaker 1: is my side of the country, because look, I mean
Speaker 1: I fished in Alaska, Florida, Montana, Idaho, wyom in Colorado,
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, even Brazil that one time. And while I've
Speaker 1: had a fantastic time in most of those places and
Speaker 1: field just truly blessed and really fortunate, I've never taken
Speaker 1: my travels for granted. Um, you know, I I still
Speaker 1: can't believe I've experienced so many of those fisheries. All
Speaker 1: that said, though I will never ever ever move away
Speaker 1: from the East coast of the US. We won't do it.
Speaker 1: What Here's what I don't get. Why are you always
Speaker 1: so defensive about like You've been being way more defensive
Speaker 1: in this podcast so far. I'm cool, calm and collected.
Speaker 1: You're the one going off no, but like it's a
Speaker 1: theme you've got, like this parochial sensitivity, and I don't
Speaker 1: know where it comes from. Like I haven't said a
Speaker 1: single derogatory word about your fisheries. I don't think ever
Speaker 1: on the show, right, So it can't be me, is it? Phil?
Speaker 1: Are you are you defending yourself against Phil? Hm? Oh,
Speaker 1: I heard my name, So I'm guessing I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: say something here, but I don't actually listen to much
Speaker 1: of what you guys say. I have a running tally
Speaker 1: a list of sine and terms you guys used for
Speaker 1: catching fish, Like I've got hammering, whacking, bonking, augustus glooping,
Speaker 1: and that's pretty much all I've retained. Honestly, I find
Speaker 1: that I can just edit out all of your send
Speaker 1: screw ups while multitasking and actually get something useful done.
Speaker 1: Is for example, I just listed my two thousand four
Speaker 1: Pokemon e X holographic fire red and leaf green articuno
Speaker 1: on eBay, and man, I'm just gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: watch those bids stack up to the moon, as they say,
Speaker 1: but not bitcoin, just real money that I can actually use. See,
Speaker 1: Phil doesn't even care enough to know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: He has no idea what we're saying. He's he's selling
Speaker 1: things on I don't know what he's doing to Quoll,
Speaker 1: my favorite movie. You really believe that there's some stored
Speaker 1: up conflict that exists between us? There is no us.
Speaker 1: We don't exist. So what do you want to hit? Man?
Speaker 1: It's not me. See I'm gonna tell you though, why
Speaker 1: you don't understand where I'm telling me and why you
Speaker 1: can't relate because no one ships on the places you've lived,
Speaker 1: no one makes jokes about Hawaii. That's still like a mecca.
Speaker 1: I've never been a freaking Hawaii, right, I've never fished
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. That's like some holy grail stuff. Nobody makes
Speaker 1: fun of Montana, calling it like the arm pit of
Speaker 1: the nation. Right, everybody wants to everybody wants to be
Speaker 1: I made fun of Montana, but nobody's saying, like, man,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a ship hole, Let's go
Speaker 1: to Bozeman. Like it's beautiful there. It's clean air, clean living,
Speaker 1: beautiful mountains. So yeah, like I might be a little sensitive. Um,
Speaker 1: what I really want is I just want all the
Speaker 1: kids growing up in Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Delaware, Oh, no, Delaware.
Speaker 1: But I want everyone else who lives in places that
Speaker 1: aren't fishing famous to feel proud and lucky and to
Speaker 1: know that like they don't have to travel a gazillion
Speaker 1: miles or move away from their families to be serious anglers.
Speaker 1: Like we you know, we have a we actually have
Speaker 1: a whole new season at Doss Boat coming out in
Speaker 1: just a few weeks that will further spread that very message. Um.
Speaker 1: And one of the main characters of that new season,
Speaker 1: which we've hinted at already here on bent Uh is
Speaker 1: a guy who makes a perfect ambassador for East Coast fishing.
Speaker 1: My good friend Captain Frank Crest Telly, who also happens
Speaker 1: to be the first guest on today's show. He's in
Speaker 1: the trivia hot seat. You've gotta be highly skilled for
Speaker 1: these shows. You understand that you're well versed there. You're
Speaker 1: very smart man, all right, playing trivia today? Are good
Speaker 1: friend Captain Frank Crest Telly. Frank? What's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: How are you are you guys doing? Nobody can see
Speaker 1: you with us, and you look cautiously nervous. There's nothing
Speaker 1: to me, so you know, there's nothing at stake in
Speaker 1: our You win nothing, you lose nothing except maybe some
Speaker 1: street cred or something like that. Yeah, the street cred
Speaker 1: is important because so everybody knows. So you uh, you
Speaker 1: fish around New York City, you're from Staten Island. You're
Speaker 1: a New York white kind of guy. You're New York,
Speaker 1: New York state of mind when you're fishing most of
Speaker 1: the time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, which is important because
Speaker 1: I tried to always craft questions for trivia, like really
Speaker 1: tailored them to the guests, and I gotta tell you
Speaker 1: I'm not that worried about you losing dignity at least
Speaker 1: on the first question, because I think you're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna get it. But everybody will
Speaker 1: understand why. I think this is such a great question
Speaker 1: for the Bent program. Um, So we're gonna, we're gonna
Speaker 1: We're gonna stick with a New York theme for your question.
Speaker 1: For the record, Frank, I don't know Joe's is running
Speaker 1: this segments, has no idea what so, so we're in this.
Speaker 1: So this is like Saturnite Live, the the news section.
Speaker 1: They're right, you don't know what jokes wrote or whatever,
Speaker 1: just as professional and hilarious a Saturday Ight Live, Yes,
Speaker 1: the good Saturday Night Live from the nineties, not whatever
Speaker 1: the hell they're they're doing now. I don't even know
Speaker 1: who's on that anymore anyway. Okay, so let's let's play
Speaker 1: some trivia. Here's where we're gonna start. Here's your first question.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Frank, I am ready. I have no
Speaker 1: buzzer or anything. No buzzer, no buzzer. Are We'll take
Speaker 1: care of that later. Fill our audio engineer will put
Speaker 1: a buzzer in for you. Don't worry. Al Right, here's
Speaker 1: question number one. Capital Tackle in New York City lays
Speaker 1: claim to being the oldest tackle shop in America. It
Speaker 1: was first opened in eight and focused mostly on cutlery,
Speaker 1: but over time grew into a thriving fishing tackle retailer.
Speaker 1: During its one hundred and twenty four year history, Capital
Speaker 1: has changed locations several times. In nineteen sixty four, the
Speaker 1: owners relocated the shop to the space directly under which
Speaker 1: of the following iconic New York City buildings? Before I
Speaker 1: give you the choices, can you answer that without multiple choice? No? Really? Oh, Frank? Okay, alright, alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: here we go. So here the funny thing about people
Speaker 1: from Staten Island. You didn't go to New York City
Speaker 1: a lot, okay, but you know of Capital Tackle. So
Speaker 1: here's your choice. Certain Capital yep? So was it under
Speaker 1: a the flat Iron building, be the Hotel Chelsea, see
Speaker 1: the war Worth Building or D one Pen Center. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So I know they used to be in Chelsea at
Speaker 1: one point, like twenty three or something. I will add
Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily their current location. This is at one
Speaker 1: point they were under think right, we're going with Woolworth
Speaker 1: war Worth Building. See that is incorrect. The answer. The
Speaker 1: answer is b. It was located underneath the Hotel Chelsea. Um.
Speaker 1: And for yes, and for those of you unaware, right,
Speaker 1: that is rife with music history. Miles, I know you
Speaker 1: know the Chelse Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, they
Speaker 1: all did extended stays there. It's also where Sid Vicious
Speaker 1: of the Sex Pistols supposedly murdered his girlfriend Nancy Bunget. Yes,
Speaker 1: and Nancy the movie that's where it was set. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it is. It is a killer shop. I've been there,
Speaker 1: though not in the Chelsea location because they moved again
Speaker 1: in two thousand six. Um. But it's so weird to
Speaker 1: be in Manhattan looking at this massive selection of everything,
Speaker 1: every tuna plug, every bastlord, everything, the latest and greatest
Speaker 1: right there. And um actually once read this great article
Speaker 1: about it, about all the non fishing weirdos that come
Speaker 1: in there and the things that they buy because they
Speaker 1: cater to all kinds of clients. So man, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know that the Staten Island crowd doesn't
Speaker 1: play in Manhattan that much, but for some reason I
Speaker 1: figured I think, yeah, I'm starting off to a very
Speaker 1: good story. Well hopefully this will be a little bit better. Um,
Speaker 1: because this one, this one's about cannoli's. So the last
Speaker 1: time I hung out with you, when we when we
Speaker 1: parted ways, we parted on a cannoli. You presented a
Speaker 1: box of cannolis from Staten Island, and um, that had
Speaker 1: really pretty baker string on it, which you cut open
Speaker 1: with a stiletto like you just popped out a switchblade
Speaker 1: to cut the twine off the cannoli's, which was so fitting.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I know, but it should have been. Um,
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what man like driving home with that,
Speaker 1: I was driving down Long Bee Child and eating a cannoli.
Speaker 1: It was the best cannoli I've ever had in my
Speaker 1: entire life. So that's that's what we're going for. Your Italian.
Speaker 1: You know your cannoli. So let's do let's do a
Speaker 1: little cannoli trivia, because why not? All right? I got
Speaker 1: a lot of good cannoli stories, by the way, Oh
Speaker 1: really I'm interested in those. We'll save those for another
Speaker 1: show though. So here's your question. The cannoli comes from Sicily.
Speaker 1: Everyone agrees on that, and they estimated to merge between
Speaker 1: eight and but historians say the exact origin of the
Speaker 1: of the dessert is up for debate. Two theories have
Speaker 1: emerged as the most likely scenario. So, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you three options for the origin of the cannoli. You
Speaker 1: have to tell me which of these three is made up.
Speaker 1: One of these is fake. So a during the Arabic
Speaker 1: rule of the island of Sicily, concubines in the Arab
Speaker 1: Prince's harem would prepare lavish meals, which included cylinder shaped
Speaker 1: pastries filled with ricotta, almonds, and honey. Uh. Second option,
Speaker 1: canolis were invented by field hands that worked the olive
Speaker 1: groves and needed a meal that was easy to carry,
Speaker 1: and they didn't get sweet until later. They started out
Speaker 1: as pastry filled with ricotta and whatever protein like fish
Speaker 1: or mutton was available or be Nuns invented the cannoli
Speaker 1: in a Sicilian convent when they filled pastry shells with ricotta, sugar,
Speaker 1: and chocolate and almonds for carnival celebration similar to Mardi
Speaker 1: Gras just before Lent. One of those is not a
Speaker 1: proposed origin of the cannoli. Okay, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the the olives with the uh, you know, the that
Speaker 1: had other proteins in there. That's correct, that's the fake answer.
Speaker 1: That is the fake answer. So you don't know anything
Speaker 1: about tackle in Manhattan, but the man knows. Man being
Speaker 1: down to would have been a tremendous amount of pressure. Well,
Speaker 1: what's what's the quote, leave the gun, take the cannoli. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you took the cannoli and left the tackle. If
Speaker 1: I would answered the wrong Cannoli question, it would have
Speaker 1: been lights out for Captain Frank. You and Frank should
Speaker 1: do a Cannoli tour of New York. I would watch
Speaker 1: that and we do like we met either we do
Speaker 1: food shows, right, food shows are popular. People like food shows.
Speaker 1: We could we get it? Could we do one? Could
Speaker 1: we get away with that? First of all, I worked
Speaker 1: in New York for ten years, and now, especially with
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like a crime filled baron waste
Speaker 1: land post COVID, that's I'm not going to New York
Speaker 1: for Cannoli's. It has to be a life or death
Speaker 1: situation to go into Manhattan right now. But also I
Speaker 1: don't think that would work at all because per Vice
Speaker 1: and several other media outlets. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: you can talk about cooking or eating on TV unless
Speaker 1: you have tech two sleeves, which I don't know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Maybe you could get the sleeves going, or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe your kids could pay them on for you,
Speaker 1: like little like temporary ones, and your kids some very tattoos.
Speaker 1: They're covered in him. It's ridiculous, but I'll look, I'll
Speaker 1: least give you this much like, there are really only
Speaker 1: two things I'm good at in my life. That's fishing
Speaker 1: and eating, So maybe you never know. I also believe
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at beating your ass in the weekly
Speaker 1: internet search competition we like to call fish news. Fish
Speaker 1: news that escalated quickly kicking off fish News. This week,
Speaker 1: I'm giving a shout out to Coast to Sunglasses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Coast does occasionally run ads on our show, But what
Speaker 1: what I'm What I'm gonna say right now has absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing to do with any sponsorship or partnership or advertising.
Speaker 1: They're not paying me to influence you in any way.
Speaker 1: I know, I know we live in a strange world
Speaker 1: of advertorial prostitution, but that not what this is about.
Speaker 1: I really just want to give them credit for an
Speaker 1: idea and a product that I think is exceptional. So
Speaker 1: Coasta partnered with a company called Burreo, who collects discarded
Speaker 1: nets from subsistence fishing communities in South America and then
Speaker 1: recycles them into quality raw plastics. Discarded fishing nets are
Speaker 1: one of, if not the biggest contributor to ocean plastic pollution.
Speaker 1: So far, Barreo is collected about five and a half
Speaker 1: million pounds of discarded plastic nets Coasta. Right, Coasta is
Speaker 1: using some of that plastic to make sunglasses. They got
Speaker 1: their Untangled series which are all made from those nets,
Speaker 1: and they actually started doing this a few years ago.
Speaker 1: And I loved the idea, but the only styles they
Speaker 1: had were those like flat square frames. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: when this was a big drop at I cast that year.
Speaker 1: It was it was a cool idea, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: you need more styles. Yeah yeah, But I'm not wearing
Speaker 1: that because I mean, maybe that works for the fashion
Speaker 1: conscious crowd, but that's not me. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: wear anything but wraparounds basically ever, because I want to
Speaker 1: actually block the sun for one and two, I want
Speaker 1: to stop hooks from flying into my eye holes. Well,
Speaker 1: Coast had just released a series of wraparound frames made
Speaker 1: from the Barreo recycled nets, and they're fantastic. I have
Speaker 1: They're really they're excellent right coast of lenses or top
Speaker 1: of the line. But the truth is, like most high
Speaker 1: end sunglasses these days have quality lenses there I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into which one is slightly better
Speaker 1: than the other. There are a lot of good lenses
Speaker 1: out there, but the fact that Coast is now selling
Speaker 1: their lenses in performance frames made from discarded fishing nets
Speaker 1: to me that that's another level. Like, I think they're great.
Speaker 1: So if you're in the market for a pair of shades,
Speaker 1: I recommend checking those out. Joe, you got anything this week? No,
Speaker 1: I just add to that that I'm I I have
Speaker 1: not gotten a pair for myself yet, but just looking
Speaker 1: at them compared to the old style, much more excited
Speaker 1: about these. And I didn't dislike the old ones, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, these are like yachtwear more so than fishing
Speaker 1: you know, um other shout outs. The only thing, well,
Speaker 1: the only thing I'll say, just just so that everybody
Speaker 1: understands that we are listening to you, even if we
Speaker 1: don't always respond. Thanks to the ten million people who
Speaker 1: sent me the link to Rusty Van Ranch on Instagram.
Speaker 1: They were like, you think that Nick Bailey dude tricked
Speaker 1: out his tuggy. This dude put like a freaking jet
Speaker 1: ski motor in his and he's ripping like fifty. So
Speaker 1: now I'm touring because like, do I send my son's
Speaker 1: tuggy to Nick or Rusty Van Ranch? I haven't decided yet.
Speaker 1: I mean that the price is gonna matter, but but
Speaker 1: thank you received. Okay, got it? Tuggies. The people have
Speaker 1: been asking us to make like a Bent tuggy shirt
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, we haven't even made a Bent
Speaker 1: Bent shirt yet. That's a whole other story. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe so just maybe Tuggies inundated. That's all I got
Speaker 1: nothing else this week? All right, Well, quick reminder, this
Speaker 1: is a competition. Joe and I have no idea what
Speaker 1: stories the other bring to the table. And at the
Speaker 1: end are miraculously resurrected audio engineer who's who's recovering nicely
Speaker 1: in case you're worried. He's recovering nicely from his little
Speaker 1: boating incident and they gave him three and he sees
Speaker 1: a brisk ice tea and now he's fine. That's the
Speaker 1: best part the whole thing. He almost has complete use
Speaker 1: of three toes. It's it's really coming together. At the
Speaker 1: end of this, he's gonna choose a winner. I am
Speaker 1: up first this week, and I've got a new invasive
Speaker 1: fish species to report in Texas. Lay it on me.
Speaker 1: Earlier this summer, the first silver carp was confirmed in
Speaker 1: Choctaw Creek, a tributary of the Red River, which is
Speaker 1: itself a tributary of the Mississippi River. Silver black and
Speaker 1: big head carp have been making their way up the
Speaker 1: Mississippi for years, so it's no surprise that they found
Speaker 1: their way up to Texas. Wildlife officials have been anticipating
Speaker 1: this for quite some time. Big head carp were confirmed
Speaker 1: in the Red River a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: now most, if not all, of you know why these
Speaker 1: fish are a problem. They're prolific, fast growing, and nearly
Speaker 1: impossible to get rid of, and they disrupt ecosystems by
Speaker 1: consuming huge quantities of plankton, algae, and micro invertebrates, which
Speaker 1: are the base of any water bodies food chain. Native
Speaker 1: bait fish like shad and juvenile sport fish like bass
Speaker 1: depend on the same food source, so we know it's
Speaker 1: we know it's a problem. Choctaw Creek dumps into the
Speaker 1: Red River just fifteen miles downstream of Dennison Dam. Dennison
Speaker 1: is a non navigable dam, meaning that no infrastructure exists
Speaker 1: for boat or fish passage upstream. And while usually these
Speaker 1: kinds of dams are detrimental to native fishes, in this
Speaker 1: particular case, this is like the bulwark. This is what's
Speaker 1: stopping them from getting into Lake Texoma and potentially harming
Speaker 1: the valuable recreational fishery there. Managers are worried, however, that
Speaker 1: anglers might inadvertently transport carb into the lake. Netting bait
Speaker 1: below the dam is super popular, like right in the
Speaker 1: tail race and juvenile carp are difficult to distinguish from
Speaker 1: other big fish because they all look like Texas big
Speaker 1: time striper lakes, so you know them for them Texma
Speaker 1: stripers problematic maybe, so officials are worried. That's just like
Speaker 1: a matter of time before someone throws a cast net
Speaker 1: and ends up with the carp that they put on
Speaker 1: for bait and take it up with the stripers and
Speaker 1: then yet boom, they're there. But so far no car
Speaker 1: found in Lake Texoma. A couple of weeks ago, The
Speaker 1: Dallas Observer published a lengthy profile on Stephen Banazac, a
Speaker 1: thirty year old Plano, Texas native, who recently set out
Speaker 1: on a mission to find silver carbon Texas waters, and
Speaker 1: he succeeded arrowing the twenty one pounder and Shocktaw Creek
Speaker 1: and turning it into Texas Parks and Wildlife. In the article,
Speaker 1: Banazak is heralded as a pioneering outdoorsman on a quest
Speaker 1: to say of Texas is native fisheries from invasive carp
Speaker 1: But after reading the article, I gotta say, I think
Speaker 1: I think this is more about business and profit than
Speaker 1: protecting fisheries. So he's petitioning Texas Parks and Wildlife to
Speaker 1: recognize his silver carp as a state record catch. He
Speaker 1: told the Observer. When I knew these fish were around,
Speaker 1: I realized there's no record for them, so if I
Speaker 1: get one, that's automatically the record. Banazac owns and operates
Speaker 1: Tight Lines Guide service, which offers catfish and striper charters
Speaker 1: on Lake Texoma, as well as bow fishing trips for carp, guar,
Speaker 1: and buffalo. He was quoted as saying, if you don't
Speaker 1: want these fish in there, you need people that are
Speaker 1: going to fish for them, particularly bow fishermen. If you
Speaker 1: want to give them a reason to go spend their
Speaker 1: time and hard earned money just to go after these fish,
Speaker 1: and you do that with a record system. If you
Speaker 1: don't give them a record, fishermen are not going to
Speaker 1: be out looking for them. I personally am not convinced
Speaker 1: the creating a state record will Incenterviz bow fishers to
Speaker 1: target these fish on the Red River. But record record
Speaker 1: carb holder looks good on his website, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: where I'm going right. Doing so would give banzact state
Speaker 1: record which he could then use to promote his business,
Speaker 1: just like you're saying. And it seems like he's the
Speaker 1: only person running bow fishing trips for big head and
Speaker 1: silver carp on the Red River right now, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that helps him a lot. The publicity might get more
Speaker 1: people to start targeting those fish, which could keep the
Speaker 1: population check to some extent. But both fishing has never
Speaker 1: stopped an invasive species from spreading in a new ecosystem,
Speaker 1: never happened. No. Additionally, if we create a profitable industry
Speaker 1: around taking people bow fishing for carp here, we actually
Speaker 1: incentivize keeping carp around. And if you need an example
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just look at what's going on
Speaker 1: with invasive hogs in Texas right now, because it's a
Speaker 1: very similar situation. I'm not opposed to bow fishing for
Speaker 1: carp Okay, can I say again, not opposed. I think
Speaker 1: invasive carp or what bow fishers should be targeting. But
Speaker 1: I think either either Banazak is being disingenuous here and
Speaker 1: I don't know the guy, I'm not sure, or the
Speaker 1: Dallas Observer wrote a completely overblown story to get clicks.
Speaker 1: It's maybe a combination of the two. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But what I do know is this is not about
Speaker 1: protecting native fish. Benazak told the Observer, quote Lake Texmas
Speaker 1: a big striper lake. That's a big worry the silver
Speaker 1: carp hitting Lake Texonma. It's going to cut the shad
Speaker 1: population down so it won't be able to sustain the
Speaker 1: striper population that it has. And that's big business gone
Speaker 1: right here. Stripers are a big business. They bring in
Speaker 1: an estimated million dollars to the local economy, benefiting his
Speaker 1: guide service and many other businesses in the area, but
Speaker 1: they are not native fish. I'm not. I'm not dogging
Speaker 1: out Zack. I'm really not. I'm not dogging him or
Speaker 1: anyone else for both fishing for carp or for building
Speaker 1: businesses around both fishing for carp or for taking people
Speaker 1: out striper fishing. I support all those things. I hope
Speaker 1: the guy is wildly successful in his endeavors. But I
Speaker 1: do take issue with cloaking all of this in a
Speaker 1: narrative of quote the survival of native wildlife, as the
Speaker 1: article claims, because that's just not what this is about.
Speaker 1: And when we slept conservation labels on fishing and hunting
Speaker 1: efforts like this one, we undermine the real credible ones.
Speaker 1: And that's that's my main issue with this. That's where
Speaker 1: I find a problem in what's going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Man. If you see a
Speaker 1: way to make your business more money because these things
Speaker 1: are there, good, go for it. Promote, yeah, promote the
Speaker 1: bow fishing charters, do you know, Go whack them and
Speaker 1: stack them, whatever you gotta do. But um, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: one of those funny little twists, right how we're all
Speaker 1: about saving native fish. But then you're right, there stripers
Speaker 1: aren't native, not native, and is in that the problem
Speaker 1: with so many arguments around so many invasive things, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: these are invasive, they're gonna take away this. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but this isn't native either, and like that's been like
Speaker 1: the root of all I mean, that's everything snake had.
Speaker 1: Same deal these guys too, like, oh, we shot twenty
Speaker 1: last night, we're getting rid of him. No, you're not.
Speaker 1: Like all the bow fishing efforts in the world. That's great,
Speaker 1: go out there, shoot him that it's been twenty years.
Speaker 1: That's not getting rid of them. But same thing, like
Speaker 1: how how many of these invasives are we killing to
Speaker 1: save natives that aren't natives? So um, and it undermines
Speaker 1: your whole argument when you start going down that road.
Speaker 1: You can say these are new and we want to
Speaker 1: stop them in their problem. We don't want to upset
Speaker 1: what we've got going. Great. You have to pretend this
Speaker 1: is all about saving native fishes. That's just not that's
Speaker 1: just a lot. Yeah, like you know what, that might
Speaker 1: save some alligator gar but that's not where you make
Speaker 1: it money. You make it on stripers. That's a native
Speaker 1: fish though, right there. So it's funny, and dude, I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you what. Sometimes maybe we'll see if it
Speaker 1: lasts this whole this whole episode, but sometimes we just
Speaker 1: like get really in sync. And the parallels between this
Speaker 1: story and my first story aren't just it's it's like cosmic.
Speaker 1: Yours is about silver cart mine's going to be about
Speaker 1: silver kings. Okay, So I'm taking it. I'm taking a
Speaker 1: page from your book and and sort of creating a
Speaker 1: news item out of something that's not officially news, but
Speaker 1: it's generating enough chatter in my area that I think
Speaker 1: it's worth talking about. And ironically, like I said, has
Speaker 1: to do with tarpen. So this is somewhat piggybacking off
Speaker 1: of your tarpen mishandling story about Josh Jorgensen, otherwise known
Speaker 1: as black tip Age. So New Jersey is certainly, in
Speaker 1: no way, shape or form considered a tarpin state. Yet
Speaker 1: folklore has existed here for at least my entire life
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember that from time to
Speaker 1: time some poons straggle this far north in the summertime
Speaker 1: in particular, and as I always understood it, many many
Speaker 1: decades ago, I mean talking like early nine hunds twenties,
Speaker 1: like way way back, right, it was it was actually
Speaker 1: fairly relative to be common to see some in this
Speaker 1: summer um, and it's gotten much less so over the years.
Speaker 1: But to this very day, in New Jersey Zone Delaware Bay,
Speaker 1: there's a cove called Tarpen Cove and a gut called
Speaker 1: tarp and gut, And they were named that for a reason, right. Um,
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, I even remember you'd
Speaker 1: hear rumors about a few tarpin being landed here there
Speaker 1: by surf anglers. I remember in Brigantine there was a
Speaker 1: rumor um. But regardless, there aren't really you know, photos
Speaker 1: flying around, you know, like it's it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: mostly chatter. Um. And the whole idea of this Jersey
Speaker 1: tarpan thing lives in that sort of gray area between
Speaker 1: I guess, like loose historical record and pure myth, right
Speaker 1: like it's like bouncing around in there somewhere. Well. In
Speaker 1: the last week of July, Fisherman's Headquarters, which is a
Speaker 1: great tackle shop on Long Beach Island, posted a series
Speaker 1: of photos of Jake Klein with what I'd say is
Speaker 1: a fifty sixty pound tarpin and the fish looks pretty rough,
Speaker 1: prompting the first round um of manners to ask questions
Speaker 1: like well, what's going on? Like did you find that
Speaker 1: washed up dead? And so on? Right, because naturally did
Speaker 1: you throw up a tarp in Jersey? Everyone wants to
Speaker 1: know the story right now, Well, it looks rough because
Speaker 1: Jake didn't catch it with a hook. He speared it
Speaker 1: while diving off of the North Jetty and Barney gat
Speaker 1: Inlet place. I'm very familiar with your right. So now
Speaker 1: I have to give Fisherman's Headquarters some credit because they
Speaker 1: were very smart. Instead of posting their usual commentary, which
Speaker 1: would be like, look it's so and so with these
Speaker 1: big fluke from whatever party boat whatever it may be, right,
Speaker 1: given props to their anglers, they captioned these photos with
Speaker 1: nothing but a simple direct quote from Klein himself, which read,
Speaker 1: if you were fishing in Florida and caught a forty
Speaker 1: pound striper, you would have dot dot dot end quote,
Speaker 1: as if to say you'd have shot it or kept
Speaker 1: it now. Also that Klein, who I guess can't be
Speaker 1: more than maybe twenty six, is also a charter captain
Speaker 1: per his Instagram page. Though I mean I've not heard
Speaker 1: of him. Charter captains pop up every week, there's a
Speaker 1: new charter captain, so similar to the black Tip age
Speaker 1: story on just on a much more local or maybe
Speaker 1: regional level. People are flying off the handle over this,
Speaker 1: right like the rod and real guys are naturally outraged,
Speaker 1: but even a lot of people, based on the comments
Speaker 1: from the spear fishing community like dude, you're you're making
Speaker 1: this look really bad here, right you have? You have
Speaker 1: people commenting like, well, now let's see you eat it.
Speaker 1: You know, one one thousand years of bad karma, Like,
Speaker 1: people are pissed. Um, And just like the Black Tips story,
Speaker 1: fair to point out that you know, he did absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing illegal. He broke no laws by shooting that fish.
Speaker 1: And as we've said, we always prefer to take our
Speaker 1: news from some news source rather than just comment on
Speaker 1: on social media posts and rumblings. So I grappled with
Speaker 1: whether or not to bring this one out, but I
Speaker 1: did my due diligence and I searched like hell to
Speaker 1: find something more of an official rite up about this
Speaker 1: um and I could not write. So what I did
Speaker 1: was I reached out to a very good friend of
Speaker 1: mine who works in East Coast fish media who shall
Speaker 1: remain nameless because we needn't drag anyone else into this,
Speaker 1: but he told me his crew. They debated covering it,
Speaker 1: but ultimately decided that this kid absolutely took that shot
Speaker 1: for the attention and they aren't going to give him anymore.
Speaker 1: So a more official write up may eventually pop up somewhere,
Speaker 1: but as of this recording, none of the Northeast fishing
Speaker 1: media outlets have picked it up. But we had a
Speaker 1: nice chat about it and some interesting points came up.
Speaker 1: So my buddy says he absolutely would not have taken
Speaker 1: the shot. I would not have taken that shot, but
Speaker 1: he said, you know, and and there's some truth to
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Years ago, before social media, this kid
Speaker 1: would have probably still taken the shot and might have
Speaker 1: been like lauded as a hero because he broke the
Speaker 1: long standing myth about Jersey Tarpin and proved that they're here.
Speaker 1: And he also pointed out and I remember this a
Speaker 1: few years ago, um a spear fisherman in Rhode Island
Speaker 1: shot a big Gasku com barras snapper and everyone thought
Speaker 1: that was super cool. Like nobody gave him a hard
Speaker 1: time about shooting this rare visitor to the area. Um,
Speaker 1: but of course you can eat those, which makes a
Speaker 1: whole lot of difference in the spear game. So these
Speaker 1: are kind of my like top level thoughts on the
Speaker 1: whole thing. We'll see. I'm curious to hear what you
Speaker 1: have to say. Um. Naturally, I think he should have passed, right.
Speaker 1: But again, we live in a world where if it
Speaker 1: didn't happen on social media, didn't happen right, I would
Speaker 1: have come up and said, holy sh it, you guys
Speaker 1: are never gonna believe what I saw down there, and
Speaker 1: without a go pro on your head to prove it, like,
Speaker 1: either you believe me or you don't, Like, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right, But I wouldn't have killed the
Speaker 1: tarpin to prove that it was down there. Um. Second uh,
Speaker 1: though a lot of people are suddenly acting like we
Speaker 1: have an established tarpin fishery in Jersey and this asshole
Speaker 1: is ruining it. Like I saw several comment set We're like, ah,
Speaker 1: they're already rare, and now there's one less Like dude,
Speaker 1: If anyone is catching tarpen here like has a pattern,
Speaker 1: they are the most hush hush angler on the planet,
Speaker 1: and not many of those people exist anymore. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: But that said, if this kid did this to promote
Speaker 1: his charter business, my god, if he had caught that
Speaker 1: on a rodden reel, dude, and like got the pictures
Speaker 1: and released it, he'd be he'd be a hero. And
Speaker 1: it's a real shame it didn't work out that way.
Speaker 1: What I would have done. I think if I were
Speaker 1: diving and saw that fish, Remember it's on hard structure,
Speaker 1: it's like hanging out around in particular jetty, I would
Speaker 1: have ran back out there with a boat saying, you
Speaker 1: know what, man, there's like at least one, maybe a
Speaker 1: few tarpin holding on this jetty, and I'd have tried
Speaker 1: to catch it. Legit. That's what I would have done.
Speaker 1: But it's creating quite the little scuttle but here, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if it if it grows a little more,
Speaker 1: because it's very recent at the time we're recording this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw a little bit about this, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really it made it. It It made it to you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in the general fishing media consciousness, when someone
Speaker 1: kills the tarp and in Jersey people are talking about it. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, man, because, like I said, I couldn't find
Speaker 1: written I mean other than forums and Facebook and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. No, No, I just saught on social media.
Speaker 1: That's what I saw. That's not like any anything beyond that.
Speaker 1: And look, I don't have any much to say beyond
Speaker 1: what you just said except that whether we're talking about
Speaker 1: spearing or hunting any kind of lethal take, you don't
Speaker 1: shoot anything you're not gonna eat. And to me, that's
Speaker 1: that is the kind of the line in the sand
Speaker 1: all drawn that I guess is I hope he eats it.
Speaker 1: I really do, because otherwise, yeah, I mean, I would
Speaker 1: love to know what happened to it, but I'm guessing
Speaker 1: it wasn't that. I just I just have a hunch.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you're probably right. But that's that's
Speaker 1: where I I land on that. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: ethical to shoot anything. I don't even care if I
Speaker 1: don't care what you're talking about tilapia, right, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're if you're gonna kill some thing, eat it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say. Though, Like as as the guy who
Speaker 1: lives here, I mean, that sucks that he killed it,
Speaker 1: but it's also like damn he did really exciting. Dude
Speaker 1: called a tarpin in my backyard. Like that's pretty rad,
Speaker 1: you know, So, um, could that be the only one? Yes?
Speaker 1: Does it mean like there's schools of tarpin out there? No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but still it's pretty bad ashes to know
Speaker 1: that fish was there. Yeah, that is exciting. And although
Speaker 1: I will say it's not making me go, you know,
Speaker 1: my next tarpin trip should be exactly. But that's how
Speaker 1: people are behaving in the comments, like we have a
Speaker 1: good thing going here, and you're really, we don't have
Speaker 1: any You've never caught you caught one, So I don't
Speaker 1: have a perfect segue other than talking about eating fish, right,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about a fish that that no one eats,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be talking about fish that only exists
Speaker 1: to be eaten. Earlier this year, the first genetically modified
Speaker 1: salmon were sent out across the Midwest and East coast
Speaker 1: and route to American plates, forks and stomachs. Aqua Bounty,
Speaker 1: the company producing the fish, inserts genes from chinook salmon
Speaker 1: and ocean pout, which is an eel like looking fish,
Speaker 1: into Atlantic salmon, causing them to produce growth hormones year
Speaker 1: round instead of just during the summer. The result is
Speaker 1: a fish that looks like an Atlantic salmon, but can
Speaker 1: reach maturity in sixteen months instead of thirty six months,
Speaker 1: while consuming less food. Oh that's creepy. That's a very
Speaker 1: that's very soilent. Green Era Aqua Bounty has branded their
Speaker 1: newly created fish aqua Advantage, and just announced plans to
Speaker 1: open a brand new, large scale aquaculture facility in Pioneer, Ohio.
Speaker 1: The idea for the super salmon has been in the
Speaker 1: works for for almost twenty five years, but the long
Speaker 1: delay in completion has had far more to do with
Speaker 1: regulation and fears about potential impacts of genetically modified fish
Speaker 1: than issues with the technology to produce them. The f
Speaker 1: d A approved the salmon as safe and effective in
Speaker 1: but for the last six years they've been mired in skepticism,
Speaker 1: bad press, and litigation. You might remember the all the
Speaker 1: frank and fish articles that we're bouncing around a few
Speaker 1: years ago. I can't remember all that. So these are
Speaker 1: the same fish, got it? Plus? Aquaculture in general has
Speaker 1: been uh shall we say, dealing with some controversy lately,
Speaker 1: with with the escape of farmed Atlantic salmon in a
Speaker 1: fuget sound in sev and just a growing concern over
Speaker 1: the impacts that fish farming can have on water quality
Speaker 1: and native fish stocks. So Aqua Bounty has had to
Speaker 1: deal with a combination of public distrust and ongoing lawsuits
Speaker 1: in order to finally bring their fish to market. But
Speaker 1: they've done it. The U s d A requires food
Speaker 1: with genetically modified ingredients to be labeled when sold in stores,
Speaker 1: so you might start seeing Aqua Advantage salmon popping up
Speaker 1: in your local grocer soon and it will say that
Speaker 1: on it. But those requirements don't extend to restaurants or
Speaker 1: food service operations, which means consumers are already eating these
Speaker 1: fish without knowing it. Oh god, we had sushi like
Speaker 1: the other night night mess of salmon writing. No, this
Speaker 1: is perfect, dude, because my knee jerk, initial gut reaction
Speaker 1: is exactly yours. It's it's it's discomfort, it's distrust, it's fear,
Speaker 1: it's worry. Right, genetically modified fish just it just feels
Speaker 1: like a bad idea for and and addition to that,
Speaker 1: for all the reasons we've covered in past episodes of
Speaker 1: the show, I'm wary of aquaculture generally, and especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to salmon. But in researching this piece, I
Speaker 1: came across an article from the Genetic Literacy Project. They
Speaker 1: are a source that openly advocates for the benefits of
Speaker 1: genetic modification food, so you got to consider that they
Speaker 1: have an inherent bias. But the article was very well written,
Speaker 1: and it brought up a point that has forced me
Speaker 1: to examine my thinking. You remember a few months ago,
Speaker 1: like a month and a half ago, two months I
Speaker 1: reported on efforts in Florida to save the corals which
Speaker 1: are being wiped out by a bacterial infection called storm
Speaker 1: stony coral tissue disease. One of the primary efforts you
Speaker 1: may recall, that researchers are undertaking, is to genetically modify
Speaker 1: corals to be more resistant to bacteria lab settings, and
Speaker 1: then seed those modified corals back into the ocean. And
Speaker 1: I applauded that effort. The article about modified salmon brought
Speaker 1: up those efforts with coral as an example of genetic
Speaker 1: engineering being used to save oceanic ecosystems, and I had
Speaker 1: to ask myself, why am I repulsed by alter salmon
Speaker 1: but totally supportive of altered coral the obvious Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the obvious answer is that I don't eat coral. But
Speaker 1: that's not actually true, right, because coral is the base
Speaker 1: of many oceanic food chains. So if we put a
Speaker 1: bunch of modified coral into the ocean, we're still eating it,
Speaker 1: just indirectly. And yeah, I'm gonna go on from there, right,
Speaker 1: So that that just made me think a little different,
Speaker 1: Like why am I okay with this but not that?
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna farm salmon like landlocked Pioneer Ohio
Speaker 1: seems a lot safer than mid ocean net pens, where
Speaker 1: they can spread disease and toxins into the sea and
Speaker 1: maybe escape right causing significant impacts on wild salmon. And
Speaker 1: for if you're like me and you don't know where Pioneer,
Speaker 1: Ohio is and you have to look it up, it's
Speaker 1: in the far northwest corner of the state. It's not
Speaker 1: adjacent to any of the Great Lakes. I'm still not
Speaker 1: convinced this is a good idea, and I'm definitely not
Speaker 1: comfortable with the fact that people are eating these fish
Speaker 1: without knowing it. But I I can't say that I
Speaker 1: outright condemned the practice. I just I don't know enough,
Speaker 1: and I want to look at this logically instead of emotionally.
Speaker 1: If we if we actually can raise salmon in Ohio
Speaker 1: that consume fewer resources and don't pose a threat to wildfish,
Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't that be a good thing? Ye know how,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one more thing, and I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: you jump in. I don't know how I can I
Speaker 1: can reasonably say. I'm I'm all for genetic modification to
Speaker 1: save corals, but I'm totally against it when it comes
Speaker 1: to fish because I like to think of myself as rational, right,
Speaker 1: so I think your rational if and if I take
Speaker 1: another step back, humans have been genetically modifying organisms for millennia, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you think we got Chihuahua's from wolves? That's
Speaker 1: that's what we did. And I just I'm not rushing
Speaker 1: out tomorrow and being like, man, I want to get
Speaker 1: me a big side of awkward advantage. But partially that's
Speaker 1: because I don't eat farm salmon and at all. Also
Speaker 1: can't condemn this whole thing here. Yeah, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I can. I can clear this up for you. And
Speaker 1: this is just speaking personally, like I want to be
Speaker 1: the person who only eats fish that I caught or
Speaker 1: I know where it came from. But that is just
Speaker 1: an impossibility. I don't fish enough to do that. I'm
Speaker 1: not like, I can't. I don't make a grocery run
Speaker 1: out fishing to make sure I have enough X y
Speaker 1: Z for the year. Right, So if I were to
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and see this aquiform salmon,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh no, I'm not buying a filet
Speaker 1: of that. But when I'm hungry for a sushi roll,
Speaker 1: then I don't want to think about what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to eat it. So it's it like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can sit and be like I don't like all
Speaker 1: this either, but like I'm not kidding, Like we ordered sushi,
Speaker 1: then we ordered sushi the other night. The place down
Speaker 1: the street has great salmon. I'm sure it's already farmed salmon.
Speaker 1: It might not be genetically modified, but I know they
Speaker 1: ain't serving me wild saltwater called Alaskan king salmon in there.
Speaker 1: But it's like out of sight, out of mind. She's like,
Speaker 1: I want sushi in my belly right now. So I
Speaker 1: but if given the choice, like looking at a at
Speaker 1: a a seafood market, where it's like here's wild Copper
Speaker 1: River salmon, and here's the ship from Ohio. I'm taking
Speaker 1: the I'm taking the Copper River every day. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you are. But there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are just looking for the cheapest salmon they can find. Well,
Speaker 1: is this the question really is is this change or
Speaker 1: these genetically modified salmon a net positive or net negative
Speaker 1: in that bigger picture? And I don't know. I get,
Speaker 1: I mean another thing too write and this this is
Speaker 1: what sounds snarky and it is, And I don't care,
Speaker 1: like my my thoughts are on on all these aquaculture deals.
Speaker 1: It's like, um, if you're a person that just likes
Speaker 1: to eat fish or it's an and part of your diet,
Speaker 1: you want that for the protein, but like you don't
Speaker 1: really care, like you just want the fish, then like
Speaker 1: you eat that. In otherwords, I guess I'm saying like
Speaker 1: I wish like all the people who weren't fishy and
Speaker 1: like didn't I didn't care about whether it was a
Speaker 1: wild salmon or not, like that's you guys, eat that
Speaker 1: and just let us catch our own fish. That would
Speaker 1: be fine, like farm everything you want for like my mom,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, like, she didn't care what
Speaker 1: it where, she orders the salmon. She's not worried about
Speaker 1: it at all. That's perfect, you know. And then the
Speaker 1: handful of us that care, we care. But I think
Speaker 1: the handful of us to care. The choices that people
Speaker 1: who don't care make imcludes impact all of us. And
Speaker 1: so I want to know that they're that those people
Speaker 1: who are just buying whatever comes up. I would like
Speaker 1: to think that we are creating systems that put our
Speaker 1: fisheries and and resources at large and less jeopardy as
Speaker 1: a result of their choices. My choices. I'm already looking
Speaker 1: at that stuff. Most people are not, and that's who
Speaker 1: this is for. And and I just am trying to
Speaker 1: figure you're out, and I don't have this sussed out
Speaker 1: well enough. My initial reaction is like you jenetly modified bad.
Speaker 1: But as I think it through, maybe maybe for all
Speaker 1: the people you're talking about, this is a net positive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I honestly feel that the average person,
Speaker 1: average Joe American, doesn't put the thought into this. You
Speaker 1: go out to a fancy dinner and like, there's a
Speaker 1: salmon special. I've never seen somebody order the fancy salmon
Speaker 1: special and be like, this definitely is not wild. Call
Speaker 1: it like the average person doesn't know, right, it's salmon
Speaker 1: salmon saying, so give him that salmon and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I don't eat that, but you enjoy um. In case
Speaker 1: the genetically modified salmon backs up the guts, I have
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Speaker 1: you go on Instagram, You're inundated with this stuff. You
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Speaker 1: just because we've we've we've talked about nostalgic smells here.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking last weekend, while fishing with my son,
Speaker 1: how the scent of off makes me think of fishing
Speaker 1: with my grandpa. And I thought of of of of
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Speaker 1: to close his eyes so I could just blast his
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Speaker 1: For kicks, I looked up leading uh natural remedies for
Speaker 1: constipation and among many other things. If you're just too
Speaker 1: healthy for two tabs of coal and blow or mirror
Speaker 1: lax you can try water, prunes, coffee, olive oil, probiotics, salt,
Speaker 1: or herbal laxative. Or you could man up and do
Speaker 1: it like they apparently did in age in China and
Speaker 1: jam alive veal right up your ass. So this story
Speaker 1: comes from Newsweek and it begins take the story as
Speaker 1: a lesson of what not to do under any circumstances. Ever,
Speaker 1: a man in China has been hospitalized after using a
Speaker 1: live eel which he inserted up his anus and into
Speaker 1: his rectum to cure his case of constipation. Oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this man has somehow managed to keep his name
Speaker 1: out of the story, and good for him. Um, But
Speaker 1: but he he inserted an eight inch or eight inch
Speaker 1: live eel up there, and when it reached his colon,
Speaker 1: the eel the inner lining made a hole and ended
Speaker 1: up swimming around dude's abdomen. Dude, okay, but this is
Speaker 1: the insane thing, right, This is the insane thing that
Speaker 1: wasn't the insane thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna make it
Speaker 1: more insane. Okay. This is not some wacky because I've
Speaker 1: I've been known to grab these. This is not one.
Speaker 1: This is not one of those wacky one off weekly
Speaker 1: world news stories. Right. This has been documented many times
Speaker 1: and it's supposedly a known folk remedy for constipation in
Speaker 1: Chinese his culture. So according to this story, Men's Journal
Speaker 1: ran a story in two seventeen about a man that
Speaker 1: tried this, and it says in that case, the forty
Speaker 1: nine year old man was rushed to the hospital, where
Speaker 1: doctors performed an emergency surgery to remove the eel. When
Speaker 1: they asked how that eel had gotten into his system,
Speaker 1: he told him it swam up by itself, before eventually
Speaker 1: confessing that he had put it there. The story goes on.
Speaker 1: In twenty Fox News reported a similar incident. In that case,
Speaker 1: the eels tore through the man's intestines, causing a serious infection,
Speaker 1: and that's per the head of General surgery at the
Speaker 1: hospital that treated him. That doctor said, we opened him
Speaker 1: up and noticed a large amount of fecal water mixed
Speaker 1: with blood. There was severe swelling, and we found two
Speaker 1: very I hope nobody's trying to eat breakfast. I hope they.
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a tunus subway HOGI hope right now. Um.
Speaker 1: So there was severe swelling and two very thick swamp
Speaker 1: eels at the bottom of his abdominal cavity. Um, and
Speaker 1: this dude required all kinds of surgery to as up
Speaker 1: his intestines. So in this recent case, though, the man
Speaker 1: was he was apparently racked with abdominal pain, but similar
Speaker 1: to that other story, too embarrassed to seek medical help.
Speaker 1: So I guess he finally couldn't take it anymore and
Speaker 1: he gave in and they performed emergency surgery. And the
Speaker 1: doctor said it was like in the nick of time
Speaker 1: because there was a bad bacterial infection starting in his
Speaker 1: abdominal cavity that probably would have killed him, like dude
Speaker 1: would end up biting it. Um. So a couple of
Speaker 1: just other fun notes. The eel was still alive, which
Speaker 1: that bobbles my mind and speaks to the resilience of
Speaker 1: eels in general, because I mean, dude, your insides are
Speaker 1: pretty acidic, right, Like that's crazy, and that that's some
Speaker 1: ship straight out of Aliens with the chest burster. It's
Speaker 1: not right, um. And I also a cross reference this
Speaker 1: story just to see if there was anything different on
Speaker 1: the other news sites that that ran it, and there wasn't.
Speaker 1: But many of them used an image of a Moray eel,
Speaker 1: which is even funnier to me, like a big giant
Speaker 1: cream worry. Um. But you know that's I think. I
Speaker 1: think the overriding message there is like people think eels.
Speaker 1: The eels are nasty, and eels have teeth and they
Speaker 1: are predators, you know what I mean? It ain't a
Speaker 1: goldfish and scavengers and scavengers. So again, this was not
Speaker 1: like a weekly world news deal like this. This seems
Speaker 1: to have validity that this is a thing that some
Speaker 1: ancient grandma was like, Ah, you got backed up, let
Speaker 1: me get your kneel. You know what you need. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this in a totally personal direction. And
Speaker 1: so I used to consider myself not that squeamish, but
Speaker 1: I was quite literally physically twisting around as you told
Speaker 1: that story. I thought I was going to start with
Speaker 1: this one time in college, but you've disappointed us all.
Speaker 1: I have zero experience with anals in my anus. Um, thankfully,
Speaker 1: but that really did make I don't think of myself
Speaker 1: as squeamish show, but you you did make me twist
Speaker 1: and turn in my seat throughout that whole story. So congratulations,
Speaker 1: and now you know now you know what not to do. Um.
Speaker 1: And usually after a story like that, I need a drink.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear from Phil. We're gonna say, hopefully
Speaker 1: he's even in better spirits than than last week. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Phil, and then we're gonna go drinking,
Speaker 1: you and me. That's my bar. Alright, let's not beat
Speaker 1: around the bush here. Miles, you win, Joe. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do something that I don't think I've done on the
Speaker 1: show so far, and I'm gonna say that not only
Speaker 1: does Miles win, but you lose. I wish I could
Speaker 1: retroactively take away some of your previous winds for sharing
Speaker 1: the butt eel story. That was unnecessary and frankly just
Speaker 1: rude and Miles. Sometimes my kid will just start doing
Speaker 1: really small chores around the house, like pick up a
Speaker 1: couple of toys in the living room in the name
Speaker 1: of altruism. But then he'll come to me and ask
Speaker 1: for a piece of candy, like he wants a reward,
Speaker 1: And uh, it kind of reminded me of your guy
Speaker 1: from your first story. So I think I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: them together. See if I can set up a play date.
Speaker 1: I'll pick them up a couple of hot and readies
Speaker 1: from Little Caesars, and they can set records in Fortnite
Speaker 1: all night long. It'll be great. Best God damn bartender
Speaker 1: from Tim buck to to Portland's Maine, the Portland Argain
Speaker 1: for that matter. You know, we often struggle with listener
Speaker 1: names on this show, Like more often than not, I
Speaker 1: feel like we get names that we we mostly pronounced incorrectly.
Speaker 1: Butcher but not this week. Okay, this week's that's my
Speaker 1: bar nomination comes to us from Justin Contra, which finally
Speaker 1: gives me license to use this clip people our age.
Speaker 1: At least, I think we'll get that that that that
Speaker 1: is a good one. But if if we're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: what about this one? So that street Fighter too, but
Speaker 1: I don't recall is that Genesis or or Super Nintendo.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's original any s. Street Fighter. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just wanted the audio. I just wanted
Speaker 1: the hot Yuken. I don't know where that came from
Speaker 1: which you pulled the clip. You pulled the clip, and
Speaker 1: you don't even know what I pulled it for. The Jesus,
Speaker 1: Phil's gonna come. Phil's gonna come to your house and
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of you. Enough about our misspent youth.
Speaker 1: One of us clearly spent more time with the Street
Speaker 1: Fighter than the other. Uh. The point is that Justin
Speaker 1: Contra really took our advice to heart. He put some
Speaker 1: significant thought in describing his favorite bar. I was already
Speaker 1: curious about fishing some of the water near the spot,
Speaker 1: But I now know where I will go drinking if
Speaker 1: I ever get there. This the places over in Joe's
Speaker 1: bart the world nestled and it's it's it's right in
Speaker 1: the middle of that combat Great Lakes Salmon's Steelhead Brown
Speaker 1: Trout scene. I've heard about and we talked about all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, and while I've I've spent a ton
Speaker 1: of time up there, I've never been to this bar. Uh,
Speaker 1: nor have I fished this particular ship show. But I
Speaker 1: know people that fish it more so for brown trout
Speaker 1: than salmon, and then they either tend to crush it
Speaker 1: or walk away totally disgusted. It's it's it's usually one
Speaker 1: of the two, all right, So here we go, Justin
Speaker 1: writes as one pulls into ho Jack's pothole laden gravel lot.
Speaker 1: The first of several critical decisions is me, do I
Speaker 1: park next to the self righteous fly guys whose vehicles
Speaker 1: are equipped with rod vaults, sim stickers and yetti coolers
Speaker 1: or the gear junkies with fiberglass spinning rods and frog
Speaker 1: tall waiters. Excellent detail there, hanging out of the rusty
Speaker 1: pickup bed. Choose wisely. The parking lot is visible from
Speaker 1: the bar, and judgments are made upon entering ho Jack's
Speaker 1: for here to be ogled by the old timers who
Speaker 1: can remember oak orchard, or what they call the oak
Speaker 1: before King Salmon runs and droves of anglers that chase them.
Speaker 1: The decore is that of a typical nineteen seventies towny joint.
Speaker 1: A few high tap tables, a yellowish nicotine patina on
Speaker 1: the ceiling tiles, and a sticky wooden bar top lets
Speaker 1: you know your home. Oh that's such a good detail.
Speaker 1: I could almost a feel that that's sticky bar top
Speaker 1: like you. Like you said, so, I've heard whispers at
Speaker 1: least about the oak, but like you, it was always
Speaker 1: in relation to the brown fishery. Yeah, lake runners, they
Speaker 1: get salmon, but it's it's the lake run browns that
Speaker 1: make it famous. Yeah, that's that's what I know about
Speaker 1: um and and and if I were to go there,
Speaker 1: the browns would interest me more than the Kings. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: justin continues, did I mention the wood paneling The walls
Speaker 1: are covered with aging fish mounts, polaroid gribb and grins
Speaker 1: of dark kings, and photographic reminders of New York distant
Speaker 1: industrial canal. Passed over the clinking of glasses and rumbles
Speaker 1: of the local radio station, one can always hear a
Speaker 1: cacophony of common phrases like he was looked right in
Speaker 1: the mouth, and they'll definitely take a fly. Sit there
Speaker 1: long enough and you'll start muttering those age old adages too,
Speaker 1: even if you don't believe them. Now, I Miles may
Speaker 1: not have ever fish there, but even I know about
Speaker 1: the vehement debate over whether or not those salmon actually
Speaker 1: eat or just get snapped. Yeah, yeah, and there there's
Speaker 1: a famous meme that makes the rounds every season of
Speaker 1: a king salmon with arrows just pointing to every part
Speaker 1: of the body, and every arrow is just captioned mouth
Speaker 1: like you've got the real mouth, the belly mouth, the
Speaker 1: ass mouth. Probably, I'm sure you've seen that. So when
Speaker 1: I was gout in Alaska, we used to call that
Speaker 1: one in the south mouth like that, you'd have a
Speaker 1: client yard digg into salmon hooked in the as Inevitably
Speaker 1: some of the one of the guys would turn and say, oh,
Speaker 1: would you look at he hit it so hard to
Speaker 1: sh I did. I had a buddy once that hit
Speaker 1: me up to ask if I could recommend a fly
Speaker 1: rod that wouldn't break so he could quickly drag the
Speaker 1: ass hooked ones in and waste left time between true eaters.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll give you a piece of
Speaker 1: calcutta with some guides. I don't know what you want.
Speaker 1: I know the answer that question. If you can find
Speaker 1: a classic uh fen glass yep, ten weight fen glass
Speaker 1: is almost unbreakable. There you go, There you go. If
Speaker 1: you're still listening. Bud Miles has your back. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but the eating verse snagging debate is perennial with these fish. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Continuing on with Justin's email, bellying up to the bar,
Speaker 1: you'll find that the pores are generous and you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about deciding between a hipster microbrew or
Speaker 1: a fancy fish them mixed drink, mostly because there aren't.
Speaker 1: He instead try to earn brownie points with the locals
Speaker 1: by sticking with something watery in a can to chase
Speaker 1: a few fingers of wild turkey. If you play it cool.
Speaker 1: If you play it cool, they might even let you
Speaker 1: in on that hot color. Those kings are craving, which
Speaker 1: has been orange for the last thirty five years or so.
Speaker 1: Banger like that. Damn, I love that so much. Just
Speaker 1: hit you, ah mention. You've been struggling to get anything
Speaker 1: on the stringer, and you'll unanimously be told to just
Speaker 1: keep adding split shot. This is so accurate, it's frightening,
Speaker 1: Like this is great, This is poetry knowing it's seen
Speaker 1: and and some some salmon fishing advice is just universal. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to Justin, he says, if you're feeling like a
Speaker 1: classier night out with the old lady o Jack's has
Speaker 1: you covered there too? Nothing says I'm sorry you and
Speaker 1: the kids haven't seen me since the run started in
Speaker 1: late September. Like a dozen wings, first smoked and then
Speaker 1: fried before being drowned in a blueberry bourbon glaze. It
Speaker 1: was truly something to behold. But before you get too
Speaker 1: saucy and complain about that jackass named Diesel who was
Speaker 1: toss like a chucking duck rig at your feet all day,
Speaker 1: make sure he isn't sitting right behind you. That's good advice, solid, solid,
Speaker 1: And here's Justin's fabulous closing. Next time you find yourself
Speaker 1: an Upstate New York sore from hucking a rosary bead
Speaker 1: of split shot at luck jawed and mud sharks, wander
Speaker 1: over to ho Jack's Barton Grill. You won't be disappointed.
Speaker 1: Just remember they are closed on Sundays unless the fishing
Speaker 1: where snowmobiling is particularly good. Justin may have just inadvertently
Speaker 1: given us a great idea for the next bent sticker,
Speaker 1: a rosary of split shot with like a giant gob
Speaker 1: of egg yarn where the cross would be. You let
Speaker 1: us know, mud shark fans if we should make that
Speaker 1: because I think it's brilliant. I concur I think we should,
Speaker 1: and justin I really do hope I get to drink,
Speaker 1: and more important than drinking, I hope I get at
Speaker 1: some of those wings at ho Jack Sunday, because smoke
Speaker 1: than fried is the only way to go. Even if
Speaker 1: even if I didn't fish, even if I just sat
Speaker 1: out the craziness, I could easily spend a day sitting
Speaker 1: on the sidelines and just watching this whole thing play
Speaker 1: out and everyone else out there follow Justice's League. Because
Speaker 1: that that, my friends, is how you nominate a bar.
Speaker 1: If if you've got a fishy dive you think deserves
Speaker 1: some love, let us know with an email to Bent
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com straight up, if you
Speaker 1: want to see a new sticker design, new Bent sticker
Speaker 1: with with split shot rosary beads and like a yarnie
Speaker 1: cross hollow raz I want if enough of you and
Speaker 1: I don't know what that number is, okay, but if
Speaker 1: enough of you want them, we might get them made
Speaker 1: and make them public. Or we could one up and
Speaker 1: be like if we hit five stars on Apple in
Speaker 1: the reviews by nobody will ever get them, So we
Speaker 1: won't do that to you. But and if if that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, we'll just make them for ourselves and maybe
Speaker 1: for just thanks, just because I would slap that sticker
Speaker 1: on my eggbox in a heartbeat. Yeah. Same here, Same here.
Speaker 1: And like, while tying up a slinky rig for mud
Speaker 1: sharks might sound complicated and time consuming, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be. It does not demoralizing maybe, but it does
Speaker 1: not have to be complicated. It's right in fact. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone thinks you got to know like eighty
Speaker 1: nine different complicated knots to be a good angler. But
Speaker 1: another one of my good buddies, Joe demil Daris, frequent
Speaker 1: guest here, would disagree. And Jody owns White Tail Country
Speaker 1: fly Shop on the Upper Delaware River in Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: is also another poster child for proud East Coast angling.
Speaker 1: Joe's here to close out the show with tackle hacks
Speaker 1: this week about the only three knots you really need
Speaker 1: to know. I'm getting hacks coming from inside the city,
Speaker 1: why the flood? So here comes another one from our
Speaker 1: cross Current Guide service Guide Shack session. Sitting here with
Speaker 1: my good friend Joe dimil Daris, How goes it good?
Speaker 1: How you doing Joe, I'm I'm very good. I am
Speaker 1: very good. Good to be hanging out here as always.
Speaker 1: So You've got a lot of experience and guiding a
Speaker 1: very long time. I've seen a lot of things and
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and I have learned much from
Speaker 1: you over the years. I am a better fly fisherman
Speaker 1: because I know you well. That is actually very flattering
Speaker 1: because you were like you were, not like some jamoke
Speaker 1: when you first showed up. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: consider myself anyway. So this is tackle hacks. So um man,
Speaker 1: impart some some of that knowledge on us and give
Speaker 1: us a little something something that will make all the
Speaker 1: listeners out there better anglers. So I've told us a
Speaker 1: lot of people a lot of times, especially you know,
Speaker 1: with beginners when I'm teaching them, everybody gets like wound
Speaker 1: up in not literally but intend not not um but
Speaker 1: people get what they do. They get all wound up
Speaker 1: and want to learn all these different knots, right, all
Speaker 1: these crazy knots, And people ask, you know, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to use the FG, not to use this not
Speaker 1: you gonna. Yeah it's great, everything's cool, but you know what,
Speaker 1: learn how to tie three? Good? First? Right? Learn three
Speaker 1: knots listen because here they come and the three. If
Speaker 1: you want to learn how to tie a good loop knot,
Speaker 1: a good non slip, whether each breach, whether it's just
Speaker 1: your regular old if it doesn't have a split ring,
Speaker 1: I loop not glorifly preach learn a good loop knot
Speaker 1: all right? And which would you recommend? I just I
Speaker 1: don't even know the name of It's just called a
Speaker 1: non slip loop. That's also like the rapt kind of
Speaker 1: something like that. And then you like or you can
Speaker 1: do a perfection loop, will do it too, Okay, So
Speaker 1: learn a perfection loop, learn a good tippet to lead
Speaker 1: or not right like I like blood knots. I think
Speaker 1: they're cool. I think surgeon knots are like for people
Speaker 1: who just don't want to learn how to tipe, but
Speaker 1: a right but there there's a jam not right, so
Speaker 1: they jam against each other. Not a bite not biting
Speaker 1: knot bite spice, which I think he's great for thicker
Speaker 1: lines and salt water and for braid and stuff like
Speaker 1: that with fly fishing. So this is me a loop,
Speaker 1: not a blood not and a fly to tip it
Speaker 1: not now a clinch knot or improve clinch very strong,
Speaker 1: not a lot of applications, but you know, like if
Speaker 1: you're coming from the bass fishing world and you don't
Speaker 1: mind using like an extra two feet a tip at
Speaker 1: tie a palamar, I don't really care. But learn that
Speaker 1: not well tie not three knots well, all right, So
Speaker 1: don't fret like I canna learn how to tie a biminy,
Speaker 1: but you can't even tie a clinch knot, you know,
Speaker 1: So don't worry about the bimony because the time you're
Speaker 1: gonna need it, you could probably be with some guy.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be in a fly shop amy loop
Speaker 1: to put your fly line on? Have to do there?
Speaker 1: Do it because you're gonna do it once a year,
Speaker 1: and you can do it lousy once a year. Well
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. But if you are a
Speaker 1: serious angler living on the East Coast and considering moving
Speaker 1: away to find better fishing, Joe's giving you some food
Speaker 1: for thought today. First, the entire western part of the
Speaker 1: US will soon be a biblical desert of burning bushes
Speaker 1: where no fish can never survive again. Pristine mountain streams
Speaker 1: are great and all, but good canolis are better. The
Speaker 1: best wings on the planet can be found out there,
Speaker 1: and make a fantastic kaper. Do a day of chasing
Speaker 1: mud sharks and dodging split shot and neither driving across
Speaker 1: the country or learning more knots will help you catch
Speaker 1: more fish. You'll suck just as much as you did
Speaker 1: back home. That you well and while you're reveling in
Speaker 1: you are close to home fishing. Tell us about it.
Speaker 1: Send your bar nominations, awkward photos, sailbing items, new leads,
Speaker 1: and pedigree puppies to Bent at the meat eater dot com.
Speaker 1: Keep throwing down the degenerate angler and bent podcast hashtags,
Speaker 1: and maybe, just maybe you'll get a split shot rosary
Speaker 1: bead sticker in the mail something if that actually gets me.
Speaker 1: Or just keep praying to the gods would spawned out
Speaker 1: salmon and pellet truck m life