WEBVTT - Ep. 53: Leave the Mudshark, Take the Cannoli

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<v Speaker 1>I would answer the Brown Connoli question. That would have

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<v Speaker 1>been lights out to Catherine Frank, you play it cool.

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<v Speaker 1>They might even let you in on that hot color.

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<v Speaker 1>Those kings are craving, which has been orange for the

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<v Speaker 1>last thirty five years or so. My knee jerk, initial

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<v Speaker 1>gut reaction. It's discomfort, it's distrust, it's fear. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>can learn how to tie a bimitate, but you can't

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<v Speaker 1>even tie a clinch knock. You know. Good morning, Degenerate

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<v Speaker 1>Angler is welcome to Bend the fishing podcast that hates

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<v Speaker 1>this song but agrees with the sentiment. I'm Joe Surmelie

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Nulty, and I hate the Eagles many that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good one, so do I. And before you can even ask,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm just gonna tell you that the theme

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<v Speaker 1>of the show um is a celebration of right coast

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<v Speaker 1>fishing and that there's nothing you can do about it. Man. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. That's the theme of like half

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<v Speaker 1>our shows. No it isn't. Yes, that's like, what is

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<v Speaker 1>it this week? Oh, we're gonna celebrate the East coast again.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when do I get to do a celebration of

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<v Speaker 1>Montana fishing? When does that happen? Never? Never, you know why,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're already like eight hundred thousand articles, are twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand books, forty bazillion YouTube videos, five million short films,

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<v Speaker 1>and like a Hollywood movie about that. Like I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been covered um and and look, dude, nobody cares

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<v Speaker 1>about your western trout anymore. Okay, they're all dying. They're

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<v Speaker 1>all dying of heat, exhaustion and COVID. Yeah, I'm right.

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<v Speaker 1>In like ten years, Montana will be barren waste land

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<v Speaker 1>of just like common carbon gold eye. But here here,

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<v Speaker 1>out here on the east coast, we will still have

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<v Speaker 1>stripers and snakeheads and chad and mass and catfish mahi

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<v Speaker 1>we have them, pickerole, we have pike talg um. And

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<v Speaker 1>even if you traut when we get bored. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was, Are you done? Yeah? I can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think of us like we're like the like

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<v Speaker 1>the like in water world, like the one piece of

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<v Speaker 1>land that will be left out here. That was first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, that was a low blow. If I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to talk now, because it's not funny your bleak, for

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, your whole bleak forecast about the cold water

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<v Speaker 1>fisheries in the state. It's said, it's all sad, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're making jokes about our pain. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I've kind of made a career out of that. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. It sucks, man, Yeah, Like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>all have a good laugh at the fact that all

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<v Speaker 1>the fish are dying. I'm honestly just glad I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>guiding anymore. That's that's my one true silver line, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you wanna call it. I'm I now have the luxury

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<v Speaker 1>of choosing not to fish without going broke, and not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody can do that, and that just sucks. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to step in now in defense of my adopted

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<v Speaker 1>home because I think you're selling the treasure stage short.

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<v Speaker 1>First number one, you you made this point without even

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<v Speaker 1>meaning to gold eye are bad ass, like you made

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<v Speaker 1>a jokeling comb and corp and gold eye. But gold

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<v Speaker 1>eye are sweet, sweet fish and I'm gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>fin clips on them very soon because I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 1>be at least our audience has never even heard of

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<v Speaker 1>a gold eye, So probably for reminding me, you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do me a favorite, but you did. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>Montana has some of the best overlooked lake fishing in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. But because of all that oversaturated trout media

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, nobody comes here for anything but the non

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<v Speaker 1>native trout. So I'll tell you what, Come do a

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<v Speaker 1>b side with me. We will fish Montana without ever

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a trout or picking up a fly rod. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what we'll do, all right. In fact, to add on

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<v Speaker 1>to that, I think it would make a fantastic opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for you to try out what you've been threatening to

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<v Speaker 1>use but not actually using. The coalition swim baits from

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen Fishing, which one the Bam, the Dean or the

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<v Speaker 1>Gil the bamp in golden retriever color for exactly that

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<v Speaker 1>one because it looks enough like a cisco the big

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<v Speaker 1>pike and smallmouth on a certain lake out here absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>destroy it. These baits because I know you don't know yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but they fish very similar to certain other molded swim

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<v Speaker 1>baits that will run nearly a hundred bucks each. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can get a coalition swim bait for less than twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also know whether told you this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the shadd eating stripers on your local rivers

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<v Speaker 1>will hammer these things. I think that they are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like extremely effective over there next spring, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to set aside. I know you love your like

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<v Speaker 1>fast aggressive plugging. I know it works, but I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you got tried some slower swim baits and see what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>because it could be a lot of fun. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>got some news for you, big shooter. I already have

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<v Speaker 1>some of news, okay, but I just got them like midsummer,

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<v Speaker 1>so I haven't really gotten it chucked them yet. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't have to wait for spring. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to wait for spring. They'll they'll work in the

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that when the shad run though, is in the spring?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's when the shad run the river. That's river stripers.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know we have that whole awesome coastal migration

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<v Speaker 1>that happens twice a year too, So you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I heard about that somewhere. I don't know, how are

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<v Speaker 1>the coastal migrations in Montana? So so so all those coalitions, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be playing in salt here with me this fall. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for bringing this back to the theme, which

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<v Speaker 1>is my side of the country, because look, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I fished in Alaska, Florida, Montana, Idaho, wyom in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica, even Brazil that one time. And while I've

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<v Speaker 1>had a fantastic time in most of those places and

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<v Speaker 1>field just truly blessed and really fortunate, I've never taken

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<v Speaker 1>my travels for granted. Um, you know, I I still

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe I've experienced so many of those fisheries. All

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<v Speaker 1>that said, though I will never ever ever move away

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<v Speaker 1>from the East coast of the US. We won't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>What Here's what I don't get. Why are you always

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<v Speaker 1>so defensive about like You've been being way more defensive

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<v Speaker 1>in this podcast so far. I'm cool, calm and collected.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the one going off no, but like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>theme you've got, like this parochial sensitivity, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where it comes from. Like I haven't said a

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<v Speaker 1>single derogatory word about your fisheries. I don't think ever

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, right, So it can't be me, is it? Phil?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you are you defending yourself against Phil? Hm? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard my name, So I'm guessing I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>say something here, but I don't actually listen to much

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<v Speaker 1>of what you guys say. I have a running tally

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<v Speaker 1>a list of sine and terms you guys used for

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<v Speaker 1>catching fish, Like I've got hammering, whacking, bonking, augustus glooping,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's pretty much all I've retained. Honestly, I find

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<v Speaker 1>that I can just edit out all of your send

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<v Speaker 1>screw ups while multitasking and actually get something useful done.

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<v Speaker 1>Is for example, I just listed my two thousand four

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<v Speaker 1>Pokemon e X holographic fire red and leaf green articuno

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<v Speaker 1>on eBay, and man, I'm just gonna sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>watch those bids stack up to the moon, as they say,

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<v Speaker 1>but not bitcoin, just real money that I can actually use. See,

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<v Speaker 1>Phil doesn't even care enough to know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>He has no idea what we're saying. He's he's selling

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<v Speaker 1>things on I don't know what he's doing to Quoll,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite movie. You really believe that there's some stored

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<v Speaker 1>up conflict that exists between us? There is no us.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't exist. So what do you want to hit? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not me. See I'm gonna tell you though, why

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<v Speaker 1>you don't understand where I'm telling me and why you

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<v Speaker 1>can't relate because no one ships on the places you've lived,

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<v Speaker 1>no one makes jokes about Hawaii. That's still like a mecca.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been a freaking Hawaii, right, I've never fished

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<v Speaker 1>in Hawaii. That's like some holy grail stuff. Nobody makes

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<v Speaker 1>fun of Montana, calling it like the arm pit of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation. Right, everybody wants to everybody wants to be

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<v Speaker 1>I made fun of Montana, but nobody's saying, like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to talk about a ship hole, Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Bozeman. Like it's beautiful there. It's clean air, clean living,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful mountains. So yeah, like I might be a little sensitive. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what I really want is I just want all the

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<v Speaker 1>kids growing up in Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Delaware, Oh, no, Delaware.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want everyone else who lives in places that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't fishing famous to feel proud and lucky and to

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<v Speaker 1>know that like they don't have to travel a gazillion

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<v Speaker 1>miles or move away from their families to be serious anglers.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we you know, we have a we actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new season at Doss Boat coming out in

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<v Speaker 1>just a few weeks that will further spread that very message. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the main characters of that new season,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've hinted at already here on bent Uh is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who makes a perfect ambassador for East Coast fishing.

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<v Speaker 1>My good friend Captain Frank Crest Telly, who also happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be the first guest on today's show. He's in

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<v Speaker 1>the trivia hot seat. You've gotta be highly skilled for

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<v Speaker 1>these shows. You understand that you're well versed there. You're

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<v Speaker 1>very smart man, all right, playing trivia today? Are good

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<v Speaker 1>friend Captain Frank Crest Telly. Frank? What's going on? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you are you guys doing? Nobody can see

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<v Speaker 1>you with us, and you look cautiously nervous. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to me, so you know, there's nothing at stake in

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<v Speaker 1>our You win nothing, you lose nothing except maybe some

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<v Speaker 1>street cred or something like that. Yeah, the street cred

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<v Speaker 1>is important because so everybody knows. So you uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>fish around New York City, you're from Staten Island. You're

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<v Speaker 1>a New York white kind of guy. You're New York,

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<v Speaker 1>New York state of mind when you're fishing most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, which is important because

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to always craft questions for trivia, like really

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<v Speaker 1>tailored them to the guests, and I gotta tell you

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that worried about you losing dignity at least

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<v Speaker 1>on the first question, because I think you're gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you're gonna get it. But everybody will

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<v Speaker 1>understand why. I think this is such a great question

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bent program. Um, So we're gonna, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna stick with a New York theme for your question.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, Frank, I don't know Joe's is running

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<v Speaker 1>this segments, has no idea what so, so we're in this.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like Saturnite Live, the the news section.

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<v Speaker 1>They're right, you don't know what jokes wrote or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>just as professional and hilarious a Saturday Ight Live, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the good Saturday Night Live from the nineties, not whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the hell they're they're doing now. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>who's on that anymore anyway. Okay, so let's let's play

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<v Speaker 1>some trivia. Here's where we're gonna start. Here's your first question.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready? Frank, I am ready. I have no

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<v Speaker 1>buzzer or anything. No buzzer, no buzzer. Are We'll take

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<v Speaker 1>care of that later. Fill our audio engineer will put

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<v Speaker 1>a buzzer in for you. Don't worry. Al Right, here's

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<v Speaker 1>question number one. Capital Tackle in New York City lays

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<v Speaker 1>claim to being the oldest tackle shop in America. It

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<v Speaker 1>was first opened in eight and focused mostly on cutlery,

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<v Speaker 1>but over time grew into a thriving fishing tackle retailer.

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<v Speaker 1>During its one hundred and twenty four year history, Capital

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<v Speaker 1>has changed locations several times. In nineteen sixty four, the

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<v Speaker 1>owners relocated the shop to the space directly under which

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<v Speaker 1>of the following iconic New York City buildings? Before I

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<v Speaker 1>give you the choices, can you answer that without multiple choice? No? Really? Oh, Frank? Okay, alright, alright, alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. So here the funny thing about people

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<v Speaker 1>from Staten Island. You didn't go to New York City

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, okay, but you know of Capital Tackle. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's your choice. Certain Capital yep? So was it under

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<v Speaker 1>a the flat Iron building, be the Hotel Chelsea, see

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<v Speaker 1>the war Worth Building or D one Pen Center. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know they used to be in Chelsea at

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<v Speaker 1>one point, like twenty three or something. I will add

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't necessarily their current location. This is at one

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<v Speaker 1>point they were under think right, we're going with Woolworth

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<v Speaker 1>war Worth Building. See that is incorrect. The answer. The

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<v Speaker 1>answer is b. It was located underneath the Hotel Chelsea. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And for yes, and for those of you unaware, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that is rife with music history. Miles, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>know the Chelse Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, they

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<v Speaker 1>all did extended stays there. It's also where Sid Vicious

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sex Pistols supposedly murdered his girlfriend Nancy Bunget. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nancy the movie that's where it was set. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is a killer shop. I've been there,

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<v Speaker 1>though not in the Chelsea location because they moved again

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand six. Um. But it's so weird to

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<v Speaker 1>be in Manhattan looking at this massive selection of everything,

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<v Speaker 1>every tuna plug, every bastlord, everything, the latest and greatest

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<v Speaker 1>right there. And um actually once read this great article

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<v Speaker 1>about it, about all the non fishing weirdos that come

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<v Speaker 1>in there and the things that they buy because they

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<v Speaker 1>cater to all kinds of clients. So man, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know that the Staten Island crowd doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>play in Manhattan that much, but for some reason I

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<v Speaker 1>figured I think, yeah, I'm starting off to a very

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<v Speaker 1>good story. Well hopefully this will be a little bit better. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>because this one, this one's about cannoli's. So the last

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<v Speaker 1>time I hung out with you, when we when we

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<v Speaker 1>parted ways, we parted on a cannoli. You presented a

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<v Speaker 1>box of cannolis from Staten Island, and um, that had

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<v Speaker 1>really pretty baker string on it, which you cut open

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<v Speaker 1>with a stiletto like you just popped out a switchblade

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<v Speaker 1>to cut the twine off the cannoli's, which was so fitting.

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<v Speaker 1>And I gotta say, I know, but it should have been. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you what man like driving home with that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving down Long Bee Child and eating a cannoli.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the best cannoli I've ever had in my

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<v Speaker 1>entire life. So that's that's what we're going for. Your Italian.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your cannoli. So let's do let's do a

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<v Speaker 1>little cannoli trivia, because why not? All right? I got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good cannoli stories, by the way, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>really I'm interested in those. We'll save those for another

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<v Speaker 1>show though. So here's your question. The cannoli comes from Sicily.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone agrees on that, and they estimated to merge between

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<v Speaker 1>eight and but historians say the exact origin of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the dessert is up for debate. Two theories have

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<v Speaker 1>emerged as the most likely scenario. So, I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>you three options for the origin of the cannoli. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to tell me which of these three is made up.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these is fake. So a during the Arabic

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<v Speaker 1>rule of the island of Sicily, concubines in the Arab

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<v Speaker 1>Prince's harem would prepare lavish meals, which included cylinder shaped

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<v Speaker 1>pastries filled with ricotta, almonds, and honey. Uh. Second option,

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<v Speaker 1>canolis were invented by field hands that worked the olive

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<v Speaker 1>groves and needed a meal that was easy to carry,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't get sweet until later. They started out

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<v Speaker 1>as pastry filled with ricotta and whatever protein like fish

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<v Speaker 1>or mutton was available or be Nuns invented the cannoli

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<v Speaker 1>in a Sicilian convent when they filled pastry shells with ricotta, sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>and chocolate and almonds for carnival celebration similar to Mardi

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<v Speaker 1>Gras just before Lent. One of those is not a

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<v Speaker 1>proposed origin of the cannoli. Okay, I'm gonna go with

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<v Speaker 1>the the olives with the uh, you know, the that

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<v Speaker 1>had other proteins in there. That's correct, that's the fake answer.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the fake answer. So you don't know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about tackle in Manhattan, but the man knows. Man being

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<v Speaker 1>down to would have been a tremendous amount of pressure. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's the quote, leave the gun, take the cannoli. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you took the cannoli and left the tackle. If

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<v Speaker 1>I would answered the wrong Cannoli question, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been lights out for Captain Frank. You and Frank should

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<v Speaker 1>do a Cannoli tour of New York. I would watch

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<v Speaker 1>that and we do like we met either we do

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<v Speaker 1>food shows, right, food shows are popular. People like food shows.

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<v Speaker 1>We could we get it? Could we do one? Could

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<v Speaker 1>we get away with that? First of all, I worked

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<v Speaker 1>in New York for ten years, and now, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's like a crime filled baron waste

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<v Speaker 1>land post COVID, that's I'm not going to New York

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<v Speaker 1>for Cannoli's. It has to be a life or death

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<v Speaker 1>situation to go into Manhattan right now. But also I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that would work at all because per Vice

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<v Speaker 1>and several other media outlets. I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk about cooking or eating on TV unless

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<v Speaker 1>you have tech two sleeves, which I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. Maybe you could get the sleeves going, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe your kids could pay them on for you,

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<v Speaker 1>like little like temporary ones, and your kids some very tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>They're covered in him. It's ridiculous, but I'll look, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>least give you this much like, there are really only

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<v Speaker 1>two things I'm good at in my life. That's fishing

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<v Speaker 1>and eating, So maybe you never know. I also believe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty good at beating your ass in the weekly

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<v Speaker 1>internet search competition we like to call fish news. Fish

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<v Speaker 1>news that escalated quickly kicking off fish News. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving a shout out to Coast to Sunglasses. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Coast does occasionally run ads on our show, But what

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm What I'm gonna say right now has absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with any sponsorship or partnership or advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not paying me to influence you in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know we live in a strange world

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<v Speaker 1>of advertorial prostitution, but that not what this is about.

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<v Speaker 1>I really just want to give them credit for an

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<v Speaker 1>idea and a product that I think is exceptional. So

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<v Speaker 1>Coasta partnered with a company called Burreo, who collects discarded

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<v Speaker 1>nets from subsistence fishing communities in South America and then

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<v Speaker 1>recycles them into quality raw plastics. Discarded fishing nets are

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<v Speaker 1>one of, if not the biggest contributor to ocean plastic pollution.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, Barreo is collected about five and a half

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<v Speaker 1>million pounds of discarded plastic nets Coasta. Right, Coasta is

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<v Speaker 1>using some of that plastic to make sunglasses. They got

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<v Speaker 1>their Untangled series which are all made from those nets,

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<v Speaker 1>and they actually started doing this a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>And I loved the idea, but the only styles they

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<v Speaker 1>had were those like flat square frames. Yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when this was a big drop at I cast that year.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was a cool idea, but I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you need more styles. Yeah yeah, But I'm not wearing

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<v Speaker 1>that because I mean, maybe that works for the fashion

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<v Speaker 1>conscious crowd, but that's not me. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>wear anything but wraparounds basically ever, because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>actually block the sun for one and two, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to stop hooks from flying into my eye holes. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Coast had just released a series of wraparound frames made

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<v Speaker 1>from the Barreo recycled nets, and they're fantastic. I have

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<v Speaker 1>They're really they're excellent right coast of lenses or top

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<v Speaker 1>of the line. But the truth is, like most high

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<v Speaker 1>end sunglasses these days have quality lenses there I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna get into which one is slightly better

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<v Speaker 1>than the other. There are a lot of good lenses

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<v Speaker 1>out there, but the fact that Coast is now selling

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<v Speaker 1>their lenses in performance frames made from discarded fishing nets

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<v Speaker 1>to me that that's another level. Like, I think they're great.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're in the market for a pair of shades,

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<v Speaker 1>I recommend checking those out. Joe, you got anything this week? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I just add to that that I'm I I have

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<v Speaker 1>not gotten a pair for myself yet, but just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at them compared to the old style, much more excited

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<v Speaker 1>about these. And I didn't dislike the old ones, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, these are like yachtwear more so than fishing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, um other shout outs. The only thing, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing I'll say, just just so that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>understands that we are listening to you, even if we

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<v Speaker 1>don't always respond. Thanks to the ten million people who

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<v Speaker 1>sent me the link to Rusty Van Ranch on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, you think that Nick Bailey dude tricked

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<v Speaker 1>out his tuggy. This dude put like a freaking jet

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<v Speaker 1>ski motor in his and he's ripping like fifty. So

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm touring because like, do I send my son's

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<v Speaker 1>tuggy to Nick or Rusty Van Ranch? I haven't decided yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that the price is gonna matter, but but

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<v Speaker 1>thank you received. Okay, got it? Tuggies. The people have

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<v Speaker 1>been asking us to make like a Bent tuggy shirt

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, well, we haven't even made a Bent

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<v Speaker 1>Bent shirt yet. That's a whole other story. But like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe so just maybe Tuggies inundated. That's all I got

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else this week? All right, Well, quick reminder, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a competition. Joe and I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>stories the other bring to the table. And at the

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<v Speaker 1>end are miraculously resurrected audio engineer who's who's recovering nicely

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<v Speaker 1>in case you're worried. He's recovering nicely from his little

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<v Speaker 1>boating incident and they gave him three and he sees

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<v Speaker 1>a brisk ice tea and now he's fine. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>best part the whole thing. He almost has complete use

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<v Speaker 1>of three toes. It's it's really coming together. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this, he's gonna choose a winner. I am

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<v Speaker 1>up first this week, and I've got a new invasive

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<v Speaker 1>fish species to report in Texas. Lay it on me.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this summer, the first silver carp was confirmed in

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<v Speaker 1>Choctaw Creek, a tributary of the Red River, which is

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<v Speaker 1>itself a tributary of the Mississippi River. Silver black and

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<v Speaker 1>big head carp have been making their way up the

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi for years, so it's no surprise that they found

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<v Speaker 1>their way up to Texas. Wildlife officials have been anticipating

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<v Speaker 1>this for quite some time. Big head carp were confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>in the Red River a couple of years ago. I

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<v Speaker 1>now most, if not all, of you know why these

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<v Speaker 1>fish are a problem. They're prolific, fast growing, and nearly

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to get rid of, and they disrupt ecosystems by

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<v Speaker 1>consuming huge quantities of plankton, algae, and micro invertebrates, which

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<v Speaker 1>are the base of any water bodies food chain. Native

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<v Speaker 1>bait fish like shad and juvenile sport fish like bass

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<v Speaker 1>depend on the same food source, so we know it's

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<v Speaker 1>we know it's a problem. Choctaw Creek dumps into the

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<v Speaker 1>Red River just fifteen miles downstream of Dennison Dam. Dennison

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<v Speaker 1>is a non navigable dam, meaning that no infrastructure exists

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<v Speaker 1>for boat or fish passage upstream. And while usually these

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of dams are detrimental to native fishes, in this

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<v Speaker 1>particular case, this is like the bulwark. This is what's

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<v Speaker 1>stopping them from getting into Lake Texoma and potentially harming

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<v Speaker 1>the valuable recreational fishery there. Managers are worried, however, that

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<v Speaker 1>anglers might inadvertently transport carb into the lake. Netting bait

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<v Speaker 1>below the dam is super popular, like right in the

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<v Speaker 1>tail race and juvenile carp are difficult to distinguish from

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<v Speaker 1>other big fish because they all look like Texas big

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<v Speaker 1>time striper lakes, so you know them for them Texma

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<v Speaker 1>stripers problematic maybe, so officials are worried. That's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of time before someone throws a cast net

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<v Speaker 1>and ends up with the carp that they put on

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<v Speaker 1>for bait and take it up with the stripers and

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<v Speaker 1>then yet boom, they're there. But so far no car

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<v Speaker 1>found in Lake Texoma. A couple of weeks ago, The

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Observer published a lengthy profile on Stephen Banazac, a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty year old Plano, Texas native, who recently set out

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<v Speaker 1>on a mission to find silver carbon Texas waters, and

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<v Speaker 1>he succeeded arrowing the twenty one pounder and Shocktaw Creek

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<v Speaker 1>and turning it into Texas Parks and Wildlife. In the article,

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<v Speaker 1>Banazak is heralded as a pioneering outdoorsman on a quest

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<v Speaker 1>to say of Texas is native fisheries from invasive carp

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<v Speaker 1>But after reading the article, I gotta say, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is more about business and profit than

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<v Speaker 1>protecting fisheries. So he's petitioning Texas Parks and Wildlife to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize his silver carp as a state record catch. He

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<v Speaker 1>told the Observer. When I knew these fish were around,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized there's no record for them, so if I

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<v Speaker 1>get one, that's automatically the record. Banazac owns and operates

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<v Speaker 1>Tight Lines Guide service, which offers catfish and striper charters

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<v Speaker 1>on Lake Texoma, as well as bow fishing trips for carp, guar,

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<v Speaker 1>and buffalo. He was quoted as saying, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want these fish in there, you need people that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to fish for them, particularly bow fishermen. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to give them a reason to go spend their

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<v Speaker 1>time and hard earned money just to go after these fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and you do that with a record system. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't give them a record, fishermen are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be out looking for them. I personally am not convinced

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<v Speaker 1>the creating a state record will Incenterviz bow fishers to

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<v Speaker 1>target these fish on the Red River. But record record

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<v Speaker 1>carb holder looks good on his website, and that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm going right. Doing so would give banzact state

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<v Speaker 1>record which he could then use to promote his business,

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>just like you're saying. And it seems like he's the

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 1>only person running bow fishing trips for big head and

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.440
<v Speaker 1>silver carp on the Red River right now, So yeah,

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that helps him a lot. The publicity might get more

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.879
<v Speaker 1>people to start targeting those fish, which could keep the

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 1>population check to some extent. But both fishing has never

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 1>stopped an invasive species from spreading in a new ecosystem,

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>never happened. No. Additionally, if we create a profitable industry

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>around taking people bow fishing for carp here, we actually

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>incentivize keeping carp around. And if you need an example

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.199
<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about, just look at what's going on

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>with invasive hogs in Texas right now, because it's a

0:25:55.200 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>very similar situation. I'm not opposed to bow fishing for

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 1>carp Okay, can I say again, not opposed. I think

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:09.439
<v Speaker 1>invasive carp or what bow fishers should be targeting. But

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I think either either Banazak is being disingenuous here and

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the guy, I'm not sure, or the

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Dallas Observer wrote a completely overblown story to get clicks.

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>It's maybe a combination of the two. I don't know.

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.719
<v Speaker 1>But what I do know is this is not about

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>protecting native fish. Benazak told the Observer, quote Lake Texmas

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>a big striper lake. That's a big worry the silver

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>carp hitting Lake Texonma. It's going to cut the shad

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>population down so it won't be able to sustain the

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>striper population that it has. And that's big business gone

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>right here. Stripers are a big business. They bring in

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>an estimated million dollars to the local economy, benefiting his

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>guide service and many other businesses in the area, but

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they are not native fish. I'm not. I'm not dogging

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>out Zack. I'm really not. I'm not dogging him or

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>anyone else for both fishing for carp or for building

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>businesses around both fishing for carp or for taking people

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>out striper fishing. I support all those things. I hope

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the guy is wildly successful in his endeavors. But I

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.879
<v Speaker 1>do take issue with cloaking all of this in a

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>narrative of quote the survival of native wildlife, as the

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 1>article claims, because that's just not what this is about.

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And when we slept conservation labels on fishing and hunting

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 1>efforts like this one, we undermine the real credible ones.

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's my main issue with this. That's where

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I find a problem in what's going on. I mean,

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I feel the same way. Man. If you see a

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 1>way to make your business more money because these things

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>are there, good, go for it. Promote, yeah, promote the

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>bow fishing charters, do you know, Go whack them and

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>stack them, whatever you gotta do. But um, yeah, it's

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>one of those funny little twists, right how we're all

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>about saving native fish. But then you're right, there stripers

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>aren't native, not native, and is in that the problem

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>with so many arguments around so many invasive things, it's like, well,

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>these are invasive, they're gonna take away this. I'm like,

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>but this isn't native either, and like that's been like

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>the root of all I mean, that's everything snake had.

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Same deal these guys too, like, oh, we shot twenty

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 1>last night, we're getting rid of him. No, you're not.

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Like all the bow fishing efforts in the world. That's great,

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>go out there, shoot him that it's been twenty years.

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.719
<v Speaker 1>That's not getting rid of them. But same thing, like

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>how how many of these invasives are we killing to

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>save natives that aren't natives? So um, and it undermines

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>your whole argument when you start going down that road.

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>You can say these are new and we want to

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>stop them in their problem. We don't want to upset

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>what we've got going. Great. You have to pretend this

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>is all about saving native fishes. That's just not that's

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>just a lot. Yeah, like you know what, that might

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>save some alligator gar but that's not where you make

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>it money. You make it on stripers. That's a native

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>fish though, right there. So it's funny, and dude, I

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you what. Sometimes maybe we'll see if it

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>lasts this whole this whole episode, but sometimes we just

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>like get really in sync. And the parallels between this

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>story and my first story aren't just it's it's like cosmic.

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Yours is about silver cart mine's going to be about

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>silver kings. Okay, So I'm taking it. I'm taking a

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>page from your book and and sort of creating a

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>news item out of something that's not officially news, but

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it's generating enough chatter in my area that I think

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it's worth talking about. And ironically, like I said, has

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>to do with tarpen. So this is somewhat piggybacking off

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of your tarpen mishandling story about Josh Jorgensen, otherwise known

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>as black tip Age. So New Jersey is certainly, in

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>no way, shape or form considered a tarpin state. Yet

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>folklore has existed here for at least my entire life

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>as long as I can remember that from time to

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.719
<v Speaker 1>time some poons straggle this far north in the summertime

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>in particular, and as I always understood it, many many

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>decades ago, I mean talking like early nine hunds twenties,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>like way way back, right, it was it was actually

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>fairly relative to be common to see some in this

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>summer um, and it's gotten much less so over the years.

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>But to this very day, in New Jersey Zone Delaware Bay,

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a cove called Tarpen Cove and a gut called

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>tarp and gut, And they were named that for a reason, right. Um,

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>when I was a little kid, I even remember you'd

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>hear rumors about a few tarpin being landed here there

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>by surf anglers. I remember in Brigantine there was a

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>rumor um. But regardless, there aren't really you know, photos

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>flying around, you know, like it's it's just it's it's

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>mostly chatter. Um. And the whole idea of this Jersey

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>tarpan thing lives in that sort of gray area between

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like loose historical record and pure myth, right

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like it's like bouncing around in there somewhere. Well. In

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the last week of July, Fisherman's Headquarters, which is a

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>great tackle shop on Long Beach Island, posted a series

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of photos of Jake Klein with what I'd say is

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>a fifty sixty pound tarpin and the fish looks pretty rough,

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>prompting the first round um of manners to ask questions

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 1>like well, what's going on? Like did you find that

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>washed up dead? And so on? Right, because naturally did

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>you throw up a tarp in Jersey? Everyone wants to

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>know the story right now, Well, it looks rough because

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Jake didn't catch it with a hook. He speared it

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>while diving off of the North Jetty and Barney gat

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Inlet place. I'm very familiar with your right. So now

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I have to give Fisherman's Headquarters some credit because they

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>were very smart. Instead of posting their usual commentary, which

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>would be like, look it's so and so with these

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.479
<v Speaker 1>big fluke from whatever party boat whatever it may be, right,

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>given props to their anglers, they captioned these photos with

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing but a simple direct quote from Klein himself, which read,

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>if you were fishing in Florida and caught a forty

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>pound striper, you would have dot dot dot end quote,

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>as if to say you'd have shot it or kept

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>it now. Also that Klein, who I guess can't be

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>more than maybe twenty six, is also a charter captain

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>per his Instagram page. Though I mean I've not heard

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>of him. Charter captains pop up every week, there's a

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>new charter captain, so similar to the black Tip age

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>story on just on a much more local or maybe

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>regional level. People are flying off the handle over this,

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>right like the rod and real guys are naturally outraged,

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>but even a lot of people, based on the comments

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>from the spear fishing community like dude, you're you're making

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>this look really bad here, right you have? You have

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>people commenting like, well, now let's see you eat it.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, one one thousand years of bad karma, Like,

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>people are pissed. Um, And just like the Black Tips story,

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>fair to point out that you know, he did absolutely

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>nothing illegal. He broke no laws by shooting that fish.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>And as we've said, we always prefer to take our

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>news from some news source rather than just comment on

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>on social media posts and rumblings. So I grappled with

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>whether or not to bring this one out, but I

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>did my due diligence and I searched like hell to

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.239
<v Speaker 1>find something more of an official rite up about this

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>um and I could not write. So what I did

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>was I reached out to a very good friend of

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>mine who works in East Coast fish media who shall

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>remain nameless because we needn't drag anyone else into this,

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>but he told me his crew. They debated covering it,

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>but ultimately decided that this kid absolutely took that shot

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>for the attention and they aren't going to give him anymore.

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>So a more official write up may eventually pop up somewhere,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>but as of this recording, none of the Northeast fishing

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>media outlets have picked it up. But we had a

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>nice chat about it and some interesting points came up.

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>So my buddy says he absolutely would not have taken

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the shot. I would not have taken that shot, but

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>he said, you know, and and there's some truth to

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>what he's saying. Years ago, before social media, this kid

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>would have probably still taken the shot and might have

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>been like lauded as a hero because he broke the

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>long standing myth about Jersey Tarpin and proved that they're here.

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>And he also pointed out and I remember this a

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>few years ago, um a spear fisherman in Rhode Island

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>shot a big Gasku com barras snapper and everyone thought

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that was super cool. Like nobody gave him a hard

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>time about shooting this rare visitor to the area. Um,

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but of course you can eat those, which makes a

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of difference in the spear game. So these

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>are kind of my like top level thoughts on the

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>whole thing. We'll see. I'm curious to hear what you

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 1>have to say. Um. Naturally, I think he should have passed, right.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>But again, we live in a world where if it

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't happen on social media, didn't happen right, I would

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>have come up and said, holy sh it, you guys

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 1>are never gonna believe what I saw down there, and

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>without a go pro on your head to prove it, like,

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>either you believe me or you don't, Like, what are

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you gonna do? Right, But I wouldn't have killed the

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:52.760
<v Speaker 1>tarpin to prove that it was down there. Um. Second uh,

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>though a lot of people are suddenly acting like we

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 1>have an established tarpin fishery in Jersey and this asshole

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>is ruining it. Like I saw several comment set We're like, ah,

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 1>they're already rare, and now there's one less Like dude,

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>If anyone is catching tarpen here like has a pattern,

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.800
<v Speaker 1>they are the most hush hush angler on the planet,

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and not many of those people exist anymore. Okay, um,

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>But that said, if this kid did this to promote

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>his charter business, my god, if he had caught that

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>on a rodden reel, dude, and like got the pictures

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and released it, he'd be he'd be a hero. And

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>it's a real shame it didn't work out that way.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>What I would have done. I think if I were

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>diving and saw that fish, Remember it's on hard structure,

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 1>it's like hanging out around in particular jetty, I would

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>have ran back out there with a boat saying, you

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>know what, man, there's like at least one, maybe a

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 1>few tarpin holding on this jetty, and I'd have tried

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>to catch it. Legit. That's what I would have done.

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>But it's creating quite the little scuttle but here, I

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be surprised if it if it grows a little more,

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 1>because it's very recent at the time we're recording this. Yeah,

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I saw a little bit about this, but I didn't

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>really it made it. It It made it to you, Yeah,

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean in the general fishing media consciousness, when someone

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>kills the tarp and in Jersey people are talking about it. Wow,

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised, man, because, like I said, I couldn't find

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>written I mean other than forums and Facebook and stuff

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.359
<v Speaker 1>like that. No, No, I just saught on social media.

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 1>That's what I saw. That's not like any anything beyond that.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>And look, I don't have any much to say beyond

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.399
<v Speaker 1>what you just said except that whether we're talking about

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>spearing or hunting any kind of lethal take, you don't

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>shoot anything you're not gonna eat. And to me, that's

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that is the kind of the line in the sand

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>all drawn that I guess is I hope he eats it.

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I really do, because otherwise, yeah, I mean, I would

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 1>love to know what happened to it, but I'm guessing

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that. I just I just have a hunch.

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think you're probably right. But that's that's

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>where I I land on that. I don't think it's

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>ethical to shoot anything. I don't even care if I

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>don't care what you're talking about tilapia, right, if you're

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're gonna kill some thing, eat it, yeah,

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I will say. Though, Like as as the guy who

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>lives here, I mean, that sucks that he killed it,

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:12.439
<v Speaker 1>but it's also like damn he did really exciting. Dude

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>called a tarpin in my backyard. Like that's pretty rad,

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, So, um, could that be the only one? Yes?

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Does it mean like there's schools of tarpin out there? No,

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't, but still it's pretty bad ashes to know

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that fish was there. Yeah, that is exciting. And although

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I will say it's not making me go, you know,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>my next tarpin trip should be exactly. But that's how

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 1>people are behaving in the comments, like we have a

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>good thing going here, and you're really, we don't have

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>any You've never caught you caught one, So I don't

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 1>have a perfect segue other than talking about eating fish, right,

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and you're talking about a fish that that no one eats,

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna be talking about fish that only exists

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to be eaten. Earlier this year, the first genetically modified

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>salmon were sent out across the Midwest and East coast

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and route to American plates, forks and stomachs. Aqua Bounty,

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the company producing the fish, inserts genes from chinook salmon

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and ocean pout, which is an eel like looking fish,

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>into Atlantic salmon, causing them to produce growth hormones year

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>round instead of just during the summer. The result is

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a fish that looks like an Atlantic salmon, but can

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 1>reach maturity in sixteen months instead of thirty six months,

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>while consuming less food. Oh that's creepy. That's a very

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that's very soilent. Green Era Aqua Bounty has branded their

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>newly created fish aqua Advantage, and just announced plans to

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>open a brand new, large scale aquaculture facility in Pioneer, Ohio.

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>The idea for the super salmon has been in the

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>works for for almost twenty five years, but the long

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>delay in completion has had far more to do with

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>regulation and fears about potential impacts of genetically modified fish

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.360
<v Speaker 1>than issues with the technology to produce them. The f

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>d A approved the salmon as safe and effective in

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:23.959
<v Speaker 1>but for the last six years they've been mired in skepticism,

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 1>bad press, and litigation. You might remember the all the

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>frank and fish articles that we're bouncing around a few

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 1>years ago. I can't remember all that. So these are

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the same fish, got it? Plus? Aquaculture in general has

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>been uh shall we say, dealing with some controversy lately,

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>with with the escape of farmed Atlantic salmon in a

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>fuget sound in sev and just a growing concern over

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the impacts that fish farming can have on water quality

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and native fish stocks. So Aqua Bounty has had to

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 1>deal with a combination of public distrust and ongoing lawsuits

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>in order to finally bring their fish to market. But

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 1>they've done it. The U s d A requires food

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>with genetically modified ingredients to be labeled when sold in stores,

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>so you might start seeing Aqua Advantage salmon popping up

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in your local grocer soon and it will say that

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>on it. But those requirements don't extend to restaurants or

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>food service operations, which means consumers are already eating these

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>fish without knowing it. Oh god, we had sushi like

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the other night night mess of salmon writing. No, this

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>is perfect, dude, because my knee jerk, initial gut reaction

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is exactly yours. It's it's it's discomfort, it's distrust, it's fear,

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it's worry. Right, genetically modified fish just it just feels

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>like a bad idea for and and addition to that,

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 1>for all the reasons we've covered in past episodes of

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the show, I'm wary of aquaculture generally, and especially when

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it comes to salmon. But in researching this piece, I

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>came across an article from the Genetic Literacy Project. They

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>are a source that openly advocates for the benefits of

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 1>genetic modification food, so you got to consider that they

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>have an inherent bias. But the article was very well written,

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and it brought up a point that has forced me

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to examine my thinking. You remember a few months ago,

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>like a month and a half ago, two months I

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>reported on efforts in Florida to save the corals which

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>are being wiped out by a bacterial infection called storm

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>stony coral tissue disease. One of the primary efforts you

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>may recall, that researchers are undertaking, is to genetically modify

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>corals to be more resistant to bacteria lab settings, and

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 1>then seed those modified corals back into the ocean. And

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I applauded that effort. The article about modified salmon brought

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>up those efforts with coral as an example of genetic

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>engineering being used to save oceanic ecosystems, and I had

0:41:56.080 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to ask myself, why am I repulsed by alter salmon

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>but totally supportive of altered coral the obvious Well, yeah,

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the obvious answer is that I don't eat coral. But

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 1>that's not actually true, right, because coral is the base

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>of many oceanic food chains. So if we put a

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>bunch of modified coral into the ocean, we're still eating it,

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>just indirectly. And yeah, I'm gonna go on from there, right,

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>So that that just made me think a little different,

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Like why am I okay with this but not that?

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>And if you're gonna farm salmon like landlocked Pioneer Ohio

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 1>seems a lot safer than mid ocean net pens, where

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>they can spread disease and toxins into the sea and

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe escape right causing significant impacts on wild salmon. And

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>for if you're like me and you don't know where Pioneer,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Ohio is and you have to look it up, it's

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>in the far northwest corner of the state. It's not

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>adjacent to any of the Great Lakes. I'm still not

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>convinced this is a good idea, and I'm definitely not

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with the fact that people are eating these fish

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>without knowing it. But I I can't say that I

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>outright condemned the practice. I just I don't know enough,

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and I want to look at this logically instead of emotionally.

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>If we if we actually can raise salmon in Ohio

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that consume fewer resources and don't pose a threat to wildfish,

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't wouldn't that be a good thing? Ye know how,

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say one more thing, and I'm gonna let

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you jump in. I don't know how I can I

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>can reasonably say. I'm I'm all for genetic modification to

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>save corals, but I'm totally against it when it comes

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 1>to fish because I like to think of myself as rational, right,

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 1>so I think your rational if and if I take

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>another step back, humans have been genetically modifying organisms for millennia, Like,

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>how do you think we got Chihuahua's from wolves? That's

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that's what we did. And I just I'm not rushing

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 1>out tomorrow and being like, man, I want to get

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.359
<v Speaker 1>me a big side of awkward advantage. But partially that's

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>because I don't eat farm salmon and at all. Also

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>can't condemn this whole thing here. Yeah, Okay, I think

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I can. I can clear this up for you. And

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>this is just speaking personally, like I want to be

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the person who only eats fish that I caught or

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I know where it came from. But that is just

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>an impossibility. I don't fish enough to do that. I'm

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>not like, I can't. I don't make a grocery run

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>out fishing to make sure I have enough X y

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Z for the year. Right, So if I were to

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.240
<v Speaker 1>go to the grocery store and see this aquiform salmon,

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, oh no, I'm not buying a filet

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 1>of that. But when I'm hungry for a sushi roll,

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>then I don't want to think about what it is.

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to eat it. So it's it like, yeah,

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I can sit and be like I don't like all

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>this either, but like I'm not kidding, Like we ordered sushi,

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>then we ordered sushi the other night. The place down

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the street has great salmon. I'm sure it's already farmed salmon.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>It might not be genetically modified, but I know they

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 1>ain't serving me wild saltwater called Alaskan king salmon in there.

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's like out of sight, out of mind. She's like,

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I want sushi in my belly right now. So I

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 1>but if given the choice, like looking at a at

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a a seafood market, where it's like here's wild Copper

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>River salmon, and here's the ship from Ohio. I'm taking

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the I'm taking the Copper River every day. Yeah, of

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>course you are. But there are a lot of people

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.839
<v Speaker 1>who are just looking for the cheapest salmon they can find. Well,

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 1>is this the question really is is this change or

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 1>these genetically modified salmon a net positive or net negative

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>in that bigger picture? And I don't know. I get,

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean another thing too write and this this is

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 1>what sounds snarky and it is, And I don't care,

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>like my my thoughts are on on all these aquaculture deals.

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like, um, if you're a person that just likes

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to eat fish or it's an and part of your diet,

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you want that for the protein, but like you don't

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>really care, like you just want the fish, then like

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>you eat that. In otherwords, I guess I'm saying like

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I wish like all the people who weren't fishy and

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 1>like didn't I didn't care about whether it was a

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>wild salmon or not, like that's you guys, eat that

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.439
<v Speaker 1>and just let us catch our own fish. That would

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 1>be fine, like farm everything you want for like my mom,

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, what I mean, like, she didn't care what

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 1>it where, she orders the salmon. She's not worried about

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it at all. That's perfect, you know. And then the

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.399
<v Speaker 1>handful of us that care, we care. But I think

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.439
<v Speaker 1>the handful of us to care. The choices that people

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>who don't care make imcludes impact all of us. And

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so I want to know that they're that those people

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>who are just buying whatever comes up. I would like

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to think that we are creating systems that put our

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>fisheries and and resources at large and less jeopardy as

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a result of their choices. My choices. I'm already looking

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 1>at that stuff. Most people are not, and that's who

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 1>this is for. And and I just am trying to

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>figure you're out, and I don't have this sussed out

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.879
<v Speaker 1>well enough. My initial reaction is like you jenetly modified bad.

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>But as I think it through, maybe maybe for all

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the people you're talking about, this is a net positive. Yeah,

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I honestly feel that the average person,

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 1>average Joe American, doesn't put the thought into this. You

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>go out to a fancy dinner and like, there's a

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>salmon special. I've never seen somebody order the fancy salmon

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>special and be like, this definitely is not wild. Call

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it like the average person doesn't know, right, it's salmon

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 1>salmon saying, so give him that salmon and I'll be like,

0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't eat that, but you enjoy um. In case

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 1>the genetically modified salmon backs up the guts, I have

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 1>a story here that that might help you out. And boy,

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>this is a fun one. Uh So, there is no

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 1>denying that natural treatments, right, alternative medicine, homemade alternatives to

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 1>chemical heavy products. They're a big thing these days. Right,

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 1>you go on Instagram, You're inundated with this stuff. You

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>know I'm talking about. It's like, you know, I don't

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 1>don't use pert plus, try this natural shampoo, don't use

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 1>real bug dope, like mix this rude bag oil with

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>green tea. Um. Anyway, I've not bought into any of

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 1>this in fact, and this is off topic, but I

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:11.839
<v Speaker 1>just because we've we've we've talked about nostalgic smells here.

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking last weekend, while fishing with my son,

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 1>how the scent of off makes me think of fishing

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:20.359
<v Speaker 1>with my grandpa. And I thought of of of of

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>my pop fondly as I instructed my three year old

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>to close his eyes so I could just blast his

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:30.879
<v Speaker 1>face with deep woods off. Um. Anyway, you'll know it's

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>working when you can't feel your lips. But I digress anyway.

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>For kicks, I looked up leading uh natural remedies for

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.919
<v Speaker 1>constipation and among many other things. If you're just too

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.239
<v Speaker 1>healthy for two tabs of coal and blow or mirror

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>lax you can try water, prunes, coffee, olive oil, probiotics, salt,

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>or herbal laxative. Or you could man up and do

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>it like they apparently did in age in China and

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>jam alive veal right up your ass. So this story

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.319
<v Speaker 1>comes from Newsweek and it begins take the story as

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>a lesson of what not to do under any circumstances. Ever,

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a man in China has been hospitalized after using a

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 1>live eel which he inserted up his anus and into

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 1>his rectum to cure his case of constipation. Oh my god. Okay,

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>so this man has somehow managed to keep his name

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:22.919
<v Speaker 1>out of the story, and good for him. Um, But

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 1>but he he inserted an eight inch or eight inch

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>live eel up there, and when it reached his colon,

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.759
<v Speaker 1>the eel the inner lining made a hole and ended

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 1>up swimming around dude's abdomen. Dude, okay, but this is

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the insane thing, right, This is the insane thing that

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the insane thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna make it

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 1>more insane. Okay. This is not some wacky because I've

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 1>I've been known to grab these. This is not one.

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 1>This is not one of those wacky one off weekly

0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>world news stories. Right. This has been documented many times

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's supposedly a known folk remedy for constipation in

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Chinese his culture. So according to this story, Men's Journal

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>ran a story in two seventeen about a man that

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>tried this, and it says in that case, the forty

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>nine year old man was rushed to the hospital, where

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>doctors performed an emergency surgery to remove the eel. When

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>they asked how that eel had gotten into his system,

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>he told him it swam up by itself, before eventually

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 1>confessing that he had put it there. The story goes on.

0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>In twenty Fox News reported a similar incident. In that case,

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the eels tore through the man's intestines, causing a serious infection,

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and that's per the head of General surgery at the

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 1>hospital that treated him. That doctor said, we opened him

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.320
<v Speaker 1>up and noticed a large amount of fecal water mixed

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>with blood. There was severe swelling, and we found two

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>very I hope nobody's trying to eat breakfast. I hope they.

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're having a tunus subway HOGI hope right now. Um.

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>So there was severe swelling and two very thick swamp

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>eels at the bottom of his abdominal cavity. Um, and

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 1>this dude required all kinds of surgery to as up

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.799
<v Speaker 1>his intestines. So in this recent case, though, the man

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>was he was apparently racked with abdominal pain, but similar

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 1>to that other story, too embarrassed to seek medical help.

0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 1>So I guess he finally couldn't take it anymore and

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>he gave in and they performed emergency surgery. And the

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>doctor said it was like in the nick of time

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>because there was a bad bacterial infection starting in his

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:23.799
<v Speaker 1>abdominal cavity that probably would have killed him, like dude

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>would end up biting it. Um. So a couple of

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>just other fun notes. The eel was still alive, which

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that bobbles my mind and speaks to the resilience of

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>eels in general, because I mean, dude, your insides are

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:41.319
<v Speaker 1>pretty acidic, right, Like that's crazy, and that that's some

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.879
<v Speaker 1>ship straight out of Aliens with the chest burster. It's

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>not right, um. And I also a cross reference this

0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:50.799
<v Speaker 1>story just to see if there was anything different on

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the other news sites that that ran it, and there wasn't.

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 1>But many of them used an image of a Moray eel,

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>which is even funnier to me, like a big giant

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>cream worry. Um. But you know that's I think. I

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>think the overriding message there is like people think eels.

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>The eels are nasty, and eels have teeth and they

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>are predators, you know what I mean? It ain't a

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 1>goldfish and scavengers and scavengers. So again, this was not

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>like a weekly world news deal like this. This seems

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 1>to have validity that this is a thing that some

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 1>ancient grandma was like, Ah, you got backed up, let

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>me get your kneel. You know what you need. I don't.

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take this in a totally personal direction. And

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so I used to consider myself not that squeamish, but

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I was quite literally physically twisting around as you told

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that story. I thought I was going to start with

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.360
<v Speaker 1>this one time in college, but you've disappointed us all.

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I have zero experience with anals in my anus. Um, thankfully,

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>but that really did make I don't think of myself

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 1>as squeamish show, but you you did make me twist

0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>and turn in my seat throughout that whole story. So congratulations,

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and now you know now you know what not to do. Um.

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And usually after a story like that, I need a drink.

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:15.280
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna hear from Phil. We're gonna say, hopefully

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 1>he's even in better spirits than than last week. We're

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna hear from Phil, and then we're gonna go drinking,

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you and me. That's my bar. Alright, let's not beat

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 1>around the bush here. Miles, you win, Joe. I'm gonna

0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>do something that I don't think I've done on the

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 1>show so far, and I'm gonna say that not only

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 1>does Miles win, but you lose. I wish I could

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>retroactively take away some of your previous winds for sharing

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the butt eel story. That was unnecessary and frankly just

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.720
<v Speaker 1>rude and Miles. Sometimes my kid will just start doing

0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 1>really small chores around the house, like pick up a

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 1>couple of toys in the living room in the name

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 1>of altruism. But then he'll come to me and ask

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>for a piece of candy, like he wants a reward,

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 1>And uh, it kind of reminded me of your guy

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:08.359
<v Speaker 1>from your first story. So I think I'm gonna get

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 1>them together. See if I can set up a play date.

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll pick them up a couple of hot and readies

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>from Little Caesars, and they can set records in Fortnite

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:21.399
<v Speaker 1>all night long. It'll be great. Best God damn bartender

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>from Tim buck to to Portland's Maine, the Portland Argain

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:30.760
<v Speaker 1>for that matter. You know, we often struggle with listener

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:32.960
<v Speaker 1>names on this show, Like more often than not, I

0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:36.600
<v Speaker 1>feel like we get names that we we mostly pronounced incorrectly.

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Butcher but not this week. Okay, this week's that's my

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>bar nomination comes to us from Justin Contra, which finally

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>gives me license to use this clip people our age.

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 1>At least, I think we'll get that that that that

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 1>is a good one. But if if we're gonna do this,

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 1>what about this one? So that street Fighter too, but

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall is that Genesis or or Super Nintendo.

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's original any s. Street Fighter. I

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I just wanted the audio. I just wanted

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the hot Yuken. I don't know where that came from

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 1>which you pulled the clip. You pulled the clip, and

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know what I pulled it for. The Jesus,

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Phil's gonna come. Phil's gonna come to your house and

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:37.879
<v Speaker 1>beat the ship out of you. Enough about our misspent youth.

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 1>One of us clearly spent more time with the Street

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Fighter than the other. Uh. The point is that Justin

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Contra really took our advice to heart. He put some

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:52.360
<v Speaker 1>significant thought in describing his favorite bar. I was already

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>curious about fishing some of the water near the spot,

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 1>But I now know where I will go drinking if

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I ever get there. This the places over in Joe's

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.279
<v Speaker 1>bart the world nestled and it's it's it's right in

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the middle of that combat Great Lakes Salmon's Steelhead Brown

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Trout scene. I've heard about and we talked about all

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the time. Yeah, and while I've I've spent a ton

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.959
<v Speaker 1>of time up there, I've never been to this bar. Uh,

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 1>nor have I fished this particular ship show. But I

0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 1>know people that fish it more so for brown trout

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 1>than salmon, and then they either tend to crush it

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:28.759
<v Speaker 1>or walk away totally disgusted. It's it's it's usually one

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of the two, all right, So here we go, Justin

0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:35.399
<v Speaker 1>writes as one pulls into ho Jack's pothole laden gravel lot.

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>The first of several critical decisions is me, do I

0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:42.640
<v Speaker 1>park next to the self righteous fly guys whose vehicles

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:45.839
<v Speaker 1>are equipped with rod vaults, sim stickers and yetti coolers

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 1>or the gear junkies with fiberglass spinning rods and frog

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:53.040
<v Speaker 1>tall waiters. Excellent detail there, hanging out of the rusty

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.839
<v Speaker 1>pickup bed. Choose wisely. The parking lot is visible from

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the bar, and judgments are made upon entering ho Jack's

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.560
<v Speaker 1>for here to be ogled by the old timers who

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 1>can remember oak orchard, or what they call the oak

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.399
<v Speaker 1>before King Salmon runs and droves of anglers that chase them.

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 1>The decore is that of a typical nineteen seventies towny joint.

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>A few high tap tables, a yellowish nicotine patina on

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling tiles, and a sticky wooden bar top lets

0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you know your home. Oh that's such a good detail.

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I could almost a feel that that's sticky bar top

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like you. Like you said, so, I've heard whispers at

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 1>least about the oak, but like you, it was always

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 1>in relation to the brown fishery. Yeah, lake runners, they

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 1>get salmon, but it's it's the lake run browns that

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>make it famous. Yeah, that's that's what I know about

0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:43.920
<v Speaker 1>um and and and if I were to go there,

0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the browns would interest me more than the Kings. Yeah. Anyway,

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 1>justin continues, did I mention the wood paneling The walls

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>are covered with aging fish mounts, polaroid gribb and grins

0:57:56.760 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of dark kings, and photographic reminders of New York distant

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 1>industrial canal. Passed over the clinking of glasses and rumbles

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of the local radio station, one can always hear a

0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 1>cacophony of common phrases like he was looked right in

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the mouth, and they'll definitely take a fly. Sit there

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 1>long enough and you'll start muttering those age old adages too,

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 1>even if you don't believe them. Now, I Miles may

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 1>not have ever fish there, but even I know about

0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the vehement debate over whether or not those salmon actually

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 1>eat or just get snapped. Yeah, yeah, and there there's

0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a famous meme that makes the rounds every season of

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 1>a king salmon with arrows just pointing to every part

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of the body, and every arrow is just captioned mouth

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 1>like you've got the real mouth, the belly mouth, the

0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.080
<v Speaker 1>ass mouth. Probably, I'm sure you've seen that. So when

0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I was gout in Alaska, we used to call that

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 1>one in the south mouth like that, you'd have a

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>client yard digg into salmon hooked in the as Inevitably

0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 1>some of the one of the guys would turn and say, oh,

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 1>would you look at he hit it so hard to

0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sh I did. I had a buddy once that hit

0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.000
<v Speaker 1>me up to ask if I could recommend a fly

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 1>rod that wouldn't break so he could quickly drag the

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 1>ass hooked ones in and waste left time between true eaters.

0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I'll give you a piece of

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>calcutta with some guides. I don't know what you want.

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I know the answer that question. If you can find

0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 1>a classic uh fen glass yep, ten weight fen glass

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 1>is almost unbreakable. There you go, There you go. If

0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you're still listening. Bud Miles has your back. But yeah,

0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 1>but the eating verse snagging debate is perennial with these fish. Anyway.

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Continuing on with Justin's email, bellying up to the bar,

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you'll find that the pores are generous and you don't

0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.360
<v Speaker 1>have to worry about deciding between a hipster microbrew or

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:49.560
<v Speaker 1>a fancy fish them mixed drink, mostly because there aren't.

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 1>He instead try to earn brownie points with the locals

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:55.080
<v Speaker 1>by sticking with something watery in a can to chase

0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a few fingers of wild turkey. If you play it cool.

0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:00.120
<v Speaker 1>If you play it cool, they might even let you

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.960
<v Speaker 1>in on that hot color. Those kings are craving, which

1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 1>has been orange for the last thirty five years or so.

1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Banger like that. Damn, I love that so much. Just

1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:16.720
<v Speaker 1>hit you, ah mention. You've been struggling to get anything

1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.640
<v Speaker 1>on the stringer, and you'll unanimously be told to just

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 1>keep adding split shot. This is so accurate, it's frightening,

1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Like this is great, This is poetry knowing it's seen

1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and and some some salmon fishing advice is just universal. Anyway,

1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:34.960
<v Speaker 1>back to Justin, he says, if you're feeling like a

1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.480
<v Speaker 1>classier night out with the old lady o Jack's has

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.680
<v Speaker 1>you covered there too? Nothing says I'm sorry you and

1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the kids haven't seen me since the run started in

1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:47.240
<v Speaker 1>late September. Like a dozen wings, first smoked and then

1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:51.480
<v Speaker 1>fried before being drowned in a blueberry bourbon glaze. It

1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was truly something to behold. But before you get too

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:59.640
<v Speaker 1>saucy and complain about that jackass named Diesel who was

1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:02.720
<v Speaker 1>toss like a chucking duck rig at your feet all day,

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:08.240
<v Speaker 1>make sure he isn't sitting right behind you. That's good advice, solid, solid,

1:01:08.280 --> 1:01:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And here's Justin's fabulous closing. Next time you find yourself

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:16.200
<v Speaker 1>an Upstate New York sore from hucking a rosary bead

1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.680
<v Speaker 1>of split shot at luck jawed and mud sharks, wander

1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:22.480
<v Speaker 1>over to ho Jack's Barton Grill. You won't be disappointed.

1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Just remember they are closed on Sundays unless the fishing

1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 1>where snowmobiling is particularly good. Justin may have just inadvertently

1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.840
<v Speaker 1>given us a great idea for the next bent sticker,

1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.200
<v Speaker 1>a rosary of split shot with like a giant gob

1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of egg yarn where the cross would be. You let

1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:43.520
<v Speaker 1>us know, mud shark fans if we should make that

1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:47.400
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's brilliant. I concur I think we should,

1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:50.720
<v Speaker 1>and justin I really do hope I get to drink,

1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and more important than drinking, I hope I get at

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<v Speaker 1>some of those wings at ho Jack Sunday, because smoke

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<v Speaker 1>than fried is the only way to go. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>even if I didn't fish, even if I just sat

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<v Speaker 1>out the craziness, I could easily spend a day sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the sidelines and just watching this whole thing play

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<v Speaker 1>out and everyone else out there follow Justice's League. Because

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<v Speaker 1>that that, my friends, is how you nominate a bar.

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<v Speaker 1>If if you've got a fishy dive you think deserves

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<v Speaker 1>some love, let us know with an email to Bent

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<v Speaker 1>at the meat eater dot com straight up, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see a new sticker design, new Bent sticker

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<v Speaker 1>with with split shot rosary beads and like a yarnie

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<v Speaker 1>cross hollow raz I want if enough of you and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that number is, okay, but if

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<v Speaker 1>enough of you want them, we might get them made

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<v Speaker 1>and make them public. Or we could one up and

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<v Speaker 1>be like if we hit five stars on Apple in

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<v Speaker 1>the reviews by nobody will ever get them, So we

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<v Speaker 1>won't do that to you. But and if if that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen, we'll just make them for ourselves and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>for just thanks, just because I would slap that sticker

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<v Speaker 1>on my eggbox in a heartbeat. Yeah. Same here, Same here.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, while tying up a slinky rig for mud

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<v Speaker 1>sharks might sound complicated and time consuming, it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be. It does not demoralizing maybe, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>not have to be complicated. It's right in fact. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone thinks you got to know like eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine different complicated knots to be a good angler. But

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<v Speaker 1>another one of my good buddies, Joe demil Daris, frequent

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<v Speaker 1>guest here, would disagree. And Jody owns White Tail Country

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<v Speaker 1>fly Shop on the Upper Delaware River in Pennsylvania and

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<v Speaker 1>is also another poster child for proud East Coast angling.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's here to close out the show with tackle hacks

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<v Speaker 1>this week about the only three knots you really need

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<v Speaker 1>to know. I'm getting hacks coming from inside the city,

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<v Speaker 1>why the flood? So here comes another one from our

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<v Speaker 1>cross Current Guide service Guide Shack session. Sitting here with

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend Joe dimil Daris, How goes it good?

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing Joe, I'm I'm very good. I am

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<v Speaker 1>very good. Good to be hanging out here as always.

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<v Speaker 1>So You've got a lot of experience and guiding a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. I've seen a lot of things and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff, and I have learned much from

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<v Speaker 1>you over the years. I am a better fly fisherman

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<v Speaker 1>because I know you well. That is actually very flattering

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<v Speaker 1>because you were like you were, not like some jamoke

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<v Speaker 1>when you first showed up. So yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>consider myself anyway. So this is tackle hacks. So um man,

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<v Speaker 1>impart some some of that knowledge on us and give

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<v Speaker 1>us a little something something that will make all the

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<v Speaker 1>listeners out there better anglers. So I've told us a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people a lot of times, especially you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with beginners when I'm teaching them, everybody gets like wound

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<v Speaker 1>up in not literally but intend not not um but

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<v Speaker 1>people get what they do. They get all wound up

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<v Speaker 1>and want to learn all these different knots, right, all

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<v Speaker 1>these crazy knots, And people ask, you know, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to use the FG, not to use this not

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna. Yeah it's great, everything's cool, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to tie three? Good? First? Right? Learn three

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<v Speaker 1>knots listen because here they come and the three. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to learn how to tie a good loop knot,

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<v Speaker 1>a good non slip, whether each breach, whether it's just

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<v Speaker 1>your regular old if it doesn't have a split ring,

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<v Speaker 1>I loop not glorifly preach learn a good loop knot

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<v Speaker 1>all right? And which would you recommend? I just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know the name of It's just called a

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<v Speaker 1>non slip loop. That's also like the rapt kind of

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. And then you like or you can

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<v Speaker 1>do a perfection loop, will do it too, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>learn a perfection loop, learn a good tippet to lead

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<v Speaker 1>or not right like I like blood knots. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're cool. I think surgeon knots are like for people

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<v Speaker 1>who just don't want to learn how to tipe, but

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<v Speaker 1>a right but there there's a jam not right, so

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<v Speaker 1>they jam against each other. Not a bite not biting

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<v Speaker 1>knot bite spice, which I think he's great for thicker

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<v Speaker 1>lines and salt water and for braid and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>that with fly fishing. So this is me a loop,

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<v Speaker 1>not a blood not and a fly to tip it

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<v Speaker 1>not now a clinch knot or improve clinch very strong,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of applications, but you know, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming from the bass fishing world and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>mind using like an extra two feet a tip at

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<v Speaker 1>tie a palamar, I don't really care. But learn that

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<v Speaker 1>not well tie not three knots well, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>don't fret like I canna learn how to tie a biminy,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't even tie a clinch knot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So don't worry about the bimony because the time you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna need it, you could probably be with some guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna be in a fly shop amy loop

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<v Speaker 1>to put your fly line on? Have to do there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do it because you're gonna do it once a year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can do it lousy once a year. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for this week. But if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>serious angler living on the East Coast and considering moving

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<v Speaker 1>away to find better fishing, Joe's giving you some food

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<v Speaker 1>for thought today. First, the entire western part of the

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<v Speaker 1>US will soon be a biblical desert of burning bushes

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<v Speaker 1>where no fish can never survive again. Pristine mountain streams

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<v Speaker 1>are great and all, but good canolis are better. The

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<v Speaker 1>best wings on the planet can be found out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and make a fantastic kaper. Do a day of chasing

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<v Speaker 1>mud sharks and dodging split shot and neither driving across

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<v Speaker 1>the country or learning more knots will help you catch

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<v Speaker 1>more fish. You'll suck just as much as you did

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<v Speaker 1>back home. That you well and while you're reveling in

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<v Speaker 1>you are close to home fishing. Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Send your bar nominations, awkward photos, sailbing items, new leads,

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<v Speaker 1>and pedigree puppies to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep throwing down the degenerate angler and bent podcast hashtags,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe, just maybe you'll get a split shot rosary

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<v Speaker 1>bead sticker in the mail something if that actually gets me.

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<v Speaker 1>Or just keep praying to the gods would spawned out

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<v Speaker 1>salmon and pellet truck m life