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Speaker 1: Angler is welcome to Bend the fishing podcast that hates

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Speaker 1: because they're already like eight hundred thousand articles, are twenty

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Speaker 1: I think this is more about business and profit than

422
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: protecting fisheries. So he's petitioning Texas Parks and Wildlife to

423
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: recognize his silver carp as a state record catch. He

424
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: told the Observer. When I knew these fish were around,

425
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: I realized there's no record for them, so if I

426
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: get one, that's automatically the record. Banazac owns and operates

427
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: Tight Lines Guide service, which offers catfish and striper charters

428
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: on Lake Texoma, as well as bow fishing trips for carp, guar,

429
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: and buffalo. He was quoted as saying, if you don't

430
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: want these fish in there, you need people that are

431
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: going to fish for them, particularly bow fishermen. If you

432
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: want to give them a reason to go spend their

433
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: time and hard earned money just to go after these fish,

434
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: and you do that with a record system. If you

435
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: don't give them a record, fishermen are not going to

436
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: be out looking for them. I personally am not convinced

437
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: the creating a state record will Incenterviz bow fishers to

438
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: target these fish on the Red River. But record record

439
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: carb holder looks good on his website, and that's exactly

440
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: where I'm going right. Doing so would give banzact state

441
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: record which he could then use to promote his business,

442
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: just like you're saying. And it seems like he's the

443
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: only person running bow fishing trips for big head and

444
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: silver carp on the Red River right now, So yeah,

445
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: that helps him a lot. The publicity might get more

446
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: people to start targeting those fish, which could keep the

447
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: population check to some extent. But both fishing has never

448
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: stopped an invasive species from spreading in a new ecosystem,

449
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: never happened. No. Additionally, if we create a profitable industry

450
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: around taking people bow fishing for carp here, we actually

451
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: incentivize keeping carp around. And if you need an example

452
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just look at what's going on

453
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: with invasive hogs in Texas right now, because it's a

454
00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: very similar situation. I'm not opposed to bow fishing for

455
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: carp Okay, can I say again, not opposed. I think

456
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: invasive carp or what bow fishers should be targeting. But

457
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I think either either Banazak is being disingenuous here and

458
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know the guy, I'm not sure, or the

459
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Dallas Observer wrote a completely overblown story to get clicks.

460
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: It's maybe a combination of the two. I don't know.

461
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: But what I do know is this is not about

462
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: protecting native fish. Benazak told the Observer, quote Lake Texmas

463
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: a big striper lake. That's a big worry the silver

464
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: carp hitting Lake Texonma. It's going to cut the shad

465
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: population down so it won't be able to sustain the

466
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: striper population that it has. And that's big business gone

467
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: right here. Stripers are a big business. They bring in

468
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: an estimated million dollars to the local economy, benefiting his

469
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: guide service and many other businesses in the area, but

470
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: they are not native fish. I'm not. I'm not dogging

471
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: out Zack. I'm really not. I'm not dogging him or

472
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: anyone else for both fishing for carp or for building

473
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: businesses around both fishing for carp or for taking people

474
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: out striper fishing. I support all those things. I hope

475
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: the guy is wildly successful in his endeavors. But I

476
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: do take issue with cloaking all of this in a

477
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: narrative of quote the survival of native wildlife, as the

478
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: article claims, because that's just not what this is about.

479
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: And when we slept conservation labels on fishing and hunting

480
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: efforts like this one, we undermine the real credible ones.

481
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's my main issue with this. That's where

482
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: I find a problem in what's going on. I mean,

483
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Man. If you see a

484
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: way to make your business more money because these things

485
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: are there, good, go for it. Promote, yeah, promote the

486
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: bow fishing charters, do you know, Go whack them and

487
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: stack them, whatever you gotta do. But um, yeah, it's

488
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: one of those funny little twists, right how we're all

489
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: about saving native fish. But then you're right, there stripers

490
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: aren't native, not native, and is in that the problem

491
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: with so many arguments around so many invasive things, it's like, well,

492
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: these are invasive, they're gonna take away this. I'm like,

493
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: but this isn't native either, and like that's been like

494
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: the root of all I mean, that's everything snake had.

495
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: Same deal these guys too, like, oh, we shot twenty

496
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: last night, we're getting rid of him. No, you're not.

497
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: Like all the bow fishing efforts in the world. That's great,

498
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: go out there, shoot him that it's been twenty years.

499
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: That's not getting rid of them. But same thing, like

500
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: how how many of these invasives are we killing to

501
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: save natives that aren't natives? So um, and it undermines

502
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: your whole argument when you start going down that road.

503
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: You can say these are new and we want to

504
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: stop them in their problem. We don't want to upset

505
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: what we've got going. Great. You have to pretend this

506
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: is all about saving native fishes. That's just not that's

507
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: just a lot. Yeah, like you know what, that might

508
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: save some alligator gar but that's not where you make

509
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: it money. You make it on stripers. That's a native

510
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: fish though, right there. So it's funny, and dude, I

511
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: gotta tell you what. Sometimes maybe we'll see if it

512
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: lasts this whole this whole episode, but sometimes we just

513
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: like get really in sync. And the parallels between this

514
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: story and my first story aren't just it's it's like cosmic.

515
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Yours is about silver cart mine's going to be about

516
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: silver kings. Okay, So I'm taking it. I'm taking a

517
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: page from your book and and sort of creating a

518
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: news item out of something that's not officially news, but

519
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: it's generating enough chatter in my area that I think

520
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: it's worth talking about. And ironically, like I said, has

521
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: to do with tarpen. So this is somewhat piggybacking off

522
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: of your tarpen mishandling story about Josh Jorgensen, otherwise known

523
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: as black tip Age. So New Jersey is certainly, in

524
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: no way, shape or form considered a tarpin state. Yet

525
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: folklore has existed here for at least my entire life

526
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember that from time to

527
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: time some poons straggle this far north in the summertime

528
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: in particular, and as I always understood it, many many

529
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: decades ago, I mean talking like early nine hunds twenties,

530
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: like way way back, right, it was it was actually

531
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: fairly relative to be common to see some in this

532
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: summer um, and it's gotten much less so over the years.

533
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: But to this very day, in New Jersey Zone Delaware Bay,

534
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: there's a cove called Tarpen Cove and a gut called

535
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: tarp and gut, And they were named that for a reason, right. Um,

536
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, I even remember you'd

537
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: hear rumors about a few tarpin being landed here there

538
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: by surf anglers. I remember in Brigantine there was a

539
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: rumor um. But regardless, there aren't really you know, photos

540
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: flying around, you know, like it's it's just it's it's

541
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: mostly chatter. Um. And the whole idea of this Jersey

542
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: tarpan thing lives in that sort of gray area between

543
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I guess, like loose historical record and pure myth, right

544
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: like it's like bouncing around in there somewhere. Well. In

545
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: the last week of July, Fisherman's Headquarters, which is a

546
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: great tackle shop on Long Beach Island, posted a series

547
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: of photos of Jake Klein with what I'd say is

548
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: a fifty sixty pound tarpin and the fish looks pretty rough,

549
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: prompting the first round um of manners to ask questions

550
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: like well, what's going on? Like did you find that

551
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: washed up dead? And so on? Right, because naturally did

552
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: you throw up a tarp in Jersey? Everyone wants to

553
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: know the story right now, Well, it looks rough because

554
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Jake didn't catch it with a hook. He speared it

555
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: while diving off of the North Jetty and Barney gat

556
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Inlet place. I'm very familiar with your right. So now

557
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: I have to give Fisherman's Headquarters some credit because they

558
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: were very smart. Instead of posting their usual commentary, which

559
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: would be like, look it's so and so with these

560
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: big fluke from whatever party boat whatever it may be, right,

561
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: given props to their anglers, they captioned these photos with

562
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: nothing but a simple direct quote from Klein himself, which read,

563
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: if you were fishing in Florida and caught a forty

564
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: pound striper, you would have dot dot dot end quote,

565
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: as if to say you'd have shot it or kept

566
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: it now. Also that Klein, who I guess can't be

567
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: more than maybe twenty six, is also a charter captain

568
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: per his Instagram page. Though I mean I've not heard

569
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: of him. Charter captains pop up every week, there's a

570
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: new charter captain, so similar to the black Tip age

571
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: story on just on a much more local or maybe

572
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: regional level. People are flying off the handle over this,

573
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: right like the rod and real guys are naturally outraged,

574
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: but even a lot of people, based on the comments

575
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: from the spear fishing community like dude, you're you're making

576
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: this look really bad here, right you have? You have

577
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: people commenting like, well, now let's see you eat it.

578
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, one one thousand years of bad karma, Like,

579
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: people are pissed. Um, And just like the Black Tips story,

580
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: fair to point out that you know, he did absolutely

581
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: nothing illegal. He broke no laws by shooting that fish.

582
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: And as we've said, we always prefer to take our

583
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: news from some news source rather than just comment on

584
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: on social media posts and rumblings. So I grappled with

585
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: whether or not to bring this one out, but I

586
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: did my due diligence and I searched like hell to

587
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: find something more of an official rite up about this

588
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: um and I could not write. So what I did

589
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: was I reached out to a very good friend of

590
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: mine who works in East Coast fish media who shall

591
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: remain nameless because we needn't drag anyone else into this,

592
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: but he told me his crew. They debated covering it,

593
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: but ultimately decided that this kid absolutely took that shot

594
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: for the attention and they aren't going to give him anymore.

595
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: So a more official write up may eventually pop up somewhere,

596
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: but as of this recording, none of the Northeast fishing

597
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: media outlets have picked it up. But we had a

598
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: nice chat about it and some interesting points came up.

599
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: So my buddy says he absolutely would not have taken

600
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: the shot. I would not have taken that shot, but

601
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: he said, you know, and and there's some truth to

602
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Years ago, before social media, this kid

603
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: would have probably still taken the shot and might have

604
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: been like lauded as a hero because he broke the

605
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: long standing myth about Jersey Tarpin and proved that they're here.

606
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: And he also pointed out and I remember this a

607
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: few years ago, um a spear fisherman in Rhode Island

608
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: shot a big Gasku com barras snapper and everyone thought

609
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: that was super cool. Like nobody gave him a hard

610
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: time about shooting this rare visitor to the area. Um,

611
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: but of course you can eat those, which makes a

612
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: whole lot of difference in the spear game. So these

613
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: are kind of my like top level thoughts on the

614
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: whole thing. We'll see. I'm curious to hear what you

615
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: have to say. Um. Naturally, I think he should have passed, right.

616
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: But again, we live in a world where if it

617
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: didn't happen on social media, didn't happen right, I would

618
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: have come up and said, holy sh it, you guys

619
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: are never gonna believe what I saw down there, and

620
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: without a go pro on your head to prove it, like,

621
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: either you believe me or you don't, Like, what are

622
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right, But I wouldn't have killed the

623
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: tarpin to prove that it was down there. Um. Second uh,

624
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: though a lot of people are suddenly acting like we

625
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: have an established tarpin fishery in Jersey and this asshole

626
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: is ruining it. Like I saw several comment set We're like, ah,

627
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: they're already rare, and now there's one less Like dude,

628
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: If anyone is catching tarpen here like has a pattern,

629
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: they are the most hush hush angler on the planet,

630
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: and not many of those people exist anymore. Okay, um,

631
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: But that said, if this kid did this to promote

632
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: his charter business, my god, if he had caught that

633
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: on a rodden reel, dude, and like got the pictures

634
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: and released it, he'd be he'd be a hero. And

635
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: it's a real shame it didn't work out that way.

636
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: What I would have done. I think if I were

637
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: diving and saw that fish, Remember it's on hard structure,

638
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: it's like hanging out around in particular jetty, I would

639
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: have ran back out there with a boat saying, you

640
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: know what, man, there's like at least one, maybe a

641
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: few tarpin holding on this jetty, and I'd have tried

642
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: to catch it. Legit. That's what I would have done.

643
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: But it's creating quite the little scuttle but here, I

644
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if it if it grows a little more,

645
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: because it's very recent at the time we're recording this. Yeah,

646
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: I saw a little bit about this, but I didn't

647
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: really it made it. It It made it to you, Yeah,

648
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean in the general fishing media consciousness, when someone

649
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: kills the tarp and in Jersey people are talking about it. Wow,

650
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, man, because, like I said, I couldn't find

651
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: written I mean other than forums and Facebook and stuff

652
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: like that. No, No, I just saught on social media.

653
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: That's what I saw. That's not like any anything beyond that.

654
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: And look, I don't have any much to say beyond

655
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: what you just said except that whether we're talking about

656
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: spearing or hunting any kind of lethal take, you don't

657
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: shoot anything you're not gonna eat. And to me, that's

658
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: that is the kind of the line in the sand

659
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: all drawn that I guess is I hope he eats it.

660
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: I really do, because otherwise, yeah, I mean, I would

661
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: love to know what happened to it, but I'm guessing

662
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't that. I just I just have a hunch.

663
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: You know, I think you're probably right. But that's that's

664
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: where I I land on that. I don't think it's

665
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: ethical to shoot anything. I don't even care if I

666
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: don't care what you're talking about tilapia, right, if you're

667
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: if you're if you're gonna kill some thing, eat it, yeah,

668
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: I will say. Though, Like as as the guy who

669
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: lives here, I mean, that sucks that he killed it,

670
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: but it's also like damn he did really exciting. Dude

671
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: called a tarpin in my backyard. Like that's pretty rad,

672
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, So, um, could that be the only one? Yes?

673
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: Does it mean like there's schools of tarpin out there? No,

674
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but still it's pretty bad ashes to know

675
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: that fish was there. Yeah, that is exciting. And although

676
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: I will say it's not making me go, you know,

677
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: my next tarpin trip should be exactly. But that's how

678
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: people are behaving in the comments, like we have a

679
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: good thing going here, and you're really, we don't have

680
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: any You've never caught you caught one, So I don't

681
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: have a perfect segue other than talking about eating fish, right,

682
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: and you're talking about a fish that that no one eats,

683
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be talking about fish that only exists

684
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: to be eaten. Earlier this year, the first genetically modified

685
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: salmon were sent out across the Midwest and East coast

686
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: and route to American plates, forks and stomachs. Aqua Bounty,

687
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the company producing the fish, inserts genes from chinook salmon

688
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: and ocean pout, which is an eel like looking fish,

689
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: into Atlantic salmon, causing them to produce growth hormones year

690
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: round instead of just during the summer. The result is

691
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: a fish that looks like an Atlantic salmon, but can

692
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: reach maturity in sixteen months instead of thirty six months,

693
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: while consuming less food. Oh that's creepy. That's a very

694
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: that's very soilent. Green Era Aqua Bounty has branded their

695
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: newly created fish aqua Advantage, and just announced plans to

696
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: open a brand new, large scale aquaculture facility in Pioneer, Ohio.

697
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: The idea for the super salmon has been in the

698
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: works for for almost twenty five years, but the long

699
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: delay in completion has had far more to do with

700
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: regulation and fears about potential impacts of genetically modified fish

701
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: than issues with the technology to produce them. The f

702
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: d A approved the salmon as safe and effective in

703
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 1: but for the last six years they've been mired in skepticism,

704
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: bad press, and litigation. You might remember the all the

705
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: frank and fish articles that we're bouncing around a few

706
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: years ago. I can't remember all that. So these are

707
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: the same fish, got it? Plus? Aquaculture in general has

708
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: been uh shall we say, dealing with some controversy lately,

709
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: with with the escape of farmed Atlantic salmon in a

710
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: fuget sound in sev and just a growing concern over

711
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: the impacts that fish farming can have on water quality

712
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: and native fish stocks. So Aqua Bounty has had to

713
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: deal with a combination of public distrust and ongoing lawsuits

714
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: in order to finally bring their fish to market. But

715
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: they've done it. The U s d A requires food

716
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: with genetically modified ingredients to be labeled when sold in stores,

717
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: so you might start seeing Aqua Advantage salmon popping up

718
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: in your local grocer soon and it will say that

719
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: on it. But those requirements don't extend to restaurants or

720
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: food service operations, which means consumers are already eating these

721
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: fish without knowing it. Oh god, we had sushi like

722
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: the other night night mess of salmon writing. No, this

723
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: is perfect, dude, because my knee jerk, initial gut reaction

724
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: is exactly yours. It's it's it's discomfort, it's distrust, it's fear,

725
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: it's worry. Right, genetically modified fish just it just feels

726
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: like a bad idea for and and addition to that,

727
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: for all the reasons we've covered in past episodes of

728
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: the show, I'm wary of aquaculture generally, and especially when

729
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: it comes to salmon. But in researching this piece, I

730
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: came across an article from the Genetic Literacy Project. They

731
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: are a source that openly advocates for the benefits of

732
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: genetic modification food, so you got to consider that they

733
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: have an inherent bias. But the article was very well written,

734
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: and it brought up a point that has forced me

735
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: to examine my thinking. You remember a few months ago,

736
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: like a month and a half ago, two months I

737
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: reported on efforts in Florida to save the corals which

738
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: are being wiped out by a bacterial infection called storm

739
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: stony coral tissue disease. One of the primary efforts you

740
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: may recall, that researchers are undertaking, is to genetically modify

741
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: corals to be more resistant to bacteria lab settings, and

742
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: then seed those modified corals back into the ocean. And

743
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I applauded that effort. The article about modified salmon brought

744
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: up those efforts with coral as an example of genetic

745
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: engineering being used to save oceanic ecosystems, and I had

746
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: to ask myself, why am I repulsed by alter salmon

747
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: but totally supportive of altered coral the obvious Well, yeah,

748
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: the obvious answer is that I don't eat coral. But

749
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: that's not actually true, right, because coral is the base

750
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: of many oceanic food chains. So if we put a

751
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: bunch of modified coral into the ocean, we're still eating it,

752
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: just indirectly. And yeah, I'm gonna go on from there, right,

753
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: So that that just made me think a little different,

754
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Like why am I okay with this but not that?

755
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna farm salmon like landlocked Pioneer Ohio

756
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: seems a lot safer than mid ocean net pens, where

757
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: they can spread disease and toxins into the sea and

758
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe escape right causing significant impacts on wild salmon. And

759
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: for if you're like me and you don't know where Pioneer,

760
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: Ohio is and you have to look it up, it's

761
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: in the far northwest corner of the state. It's not

762
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: adjacent to any of the Great Lakes. I'm still not

763
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: convinced this is a good idea, and I'm definitely not

764
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: comfortable with the fact that people are eating these fish

765
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: without knowing it. But I I can't say that I

766
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: outright condemned the practice. I just I don't know enough,

767
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: and I want to look at this logically instead of emotionally.

768
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: If we if we actually can raise salmon in Ohio

769
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: that consume fewer resources and don't pose a threat to wildfish,

770
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't that be a good thing? Ye know how,

771
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one more thing, and I'm gonna let

772
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: you jump in. I don't know how I can I

773
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: can reasonably say. I'm I'm all for genetic modification to

774
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: save corals, but I'm totally against it when it comes

775
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: to fish because I like to think of myself as rational, right,

776
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: so I think your rational if and if I take

777
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: another step back, humans have been genetically modifying organisms for millennia, Like,

778
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: how do you think we got Chihuahua's from wolves? That's

779
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: that's what we did. And I just I'm not rushing

780
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: out tomorrow and being like, man, I want to get

781
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: me a big side of awkward advantage. But partially that's

782
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: because I don't eat farm salmon and at all. Also

783
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: can't condemn this whole thing here. Yeah, Okay, I think

784
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I can. I can clear this up for you. And

785
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: this is just speaking personally, like I want to be

786
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: the person who only eats fish that I caught or

787
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: I know where it came from. But that is just

788
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: an impossibility. I don't fish enough to do that. I'm

789
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: not like, I can't. I don't make a grocery run

790
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: out fishing to make sure I have enough X y

791
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: Z for the year. Right, So if I were to

792
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and see this aquiform salmon,

793
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh no, I'm not buying a filet

794
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: of that. But when I'm hungry for a sushi roll,

795
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: then I don't want to think about what it is.

796
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm just going to eat it. So it's it like, yeah,

797
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: I can sit and be like I don't like all

798
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: this either, but like I'm not kidding, Like we ordered sushi,

799
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: then we ordered sushi the other night. The place down

800
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: the street has great salmon. I'm sure it's already farmed salmon.

801
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: It might not be genetically modified, but I know they

802
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: ain't serving me wild saltwater called Alaskan king salmon in there.

803
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: But it's like out of sight, out of mind. She's like,

804
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: I want sushi in my belly right now. So I

805
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: but if given the choice, like looking at a at

806
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: a a seafood market, where it's like here's wild Copper

807
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: River salmon, and here's the ship from Ohio. I'm taking

808
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: the I'm taking the Copper River every day. Yeah, of

809
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: course you are. But there are a lot of people

810
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: who are just looking for the cheapest salmon they can find. Well,

811
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: is this the question really is is this change or

812
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: these genetically modified salmon a net positive or net negative

813
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: in that bigger picture? And I don't know. I get,

814
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean another thing too write and this this is

815
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: what sounds snarky and it is, And I don't care,

816
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: like my my thoughts are on on all these aquaculture deals.

817
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: It's like, um, if you're a person that just likes

818
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: to eat fish or it's an and part of your diet,

819
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: you want that for the protein, but like you don't

820
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: really care, like you just want the fish, then like

821
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: you eat that. In otherwords, I guess I'm saying like

822
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: I wish like all the people who weren't fishy and

823
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: like didn't I didn't care about whether it was a

824
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: wild salmon or not, like that's you guys, eat that

825
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: and just let us catch our own fish. That would

826
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: be fine, like farm everything you want for like my mom,

827
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, like, she didn't care what

828
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: it where, she orders the salmon. She's not worried about

829
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: it at all. That's perfect, you know. And then the

830
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: handful of us that care, we care. But I think

831
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: the handful of us to care. The choices that people

832
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: who don't care make imcludes impact all of us. And

833
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: so I want to know that they're that those people

834
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: who are just buying whatever comes up. I would like

835
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: to think that we are creating systems that put our

836
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: fisheries and and resources at large and less jeopardy as

837
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: a result of their choices. My choices. I'm already looking

838
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: at that stuff. Most people are not, and that's who

839
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: this is for. And and I just am trying to

840
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: figure you're out, and I don't have this sussed out

841
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: well enough. My initial reaction is like you jenetly modified bad.

842
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: But as I think it through, maybe maybe for all

843
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: the people you're talking about, this is a net positive. Yeah,

844
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I I honestly feel that the average person,

845
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: average Joe American, doesn't put the thought into this. You

846
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: go out to a fancy dinner and like, there's a

847
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: salmon special. I've never seen somebody order the fancy salmon

848
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: special and be like, this definitely is not wild. Call

849
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: it like the average person doesn't know, right, it's salmon

850
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: salmon saying, so give him that salmon and I'll be like,

851
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't eat that, but you enjoy um. In case

852
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: the genetically modified salmon backs up the guts, I have

853
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: a story here that that might help you out. And boy,

854
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: this is a fun one. Uh So, there is no

855
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: denying that natural treatments, right, alternative medicine, homemade alternatives to

856
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: chemical heavy products. They're a big thing these days. Right,

857
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: you go on Instagram, You're inundated with this stuff. You

858
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about. It's like, you know, I don't

859
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: don't use pert plus, try this natural shampoo, don't use

860
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: real bug dope, like mix this rude bag oil with

861
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: green tea. Um. Anyway, I've not bought into any of

862
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: this in fact, and this is off topic, but I

863
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: just because we've we've we've talked about nostalgic smells here.

864
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: I was just thinking last weekend, while fishing with my son,

865
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: how the scent of off makes me think of fishing

866
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: with my grandpa. And I thought of of of of

867
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: my pop fondly as I instructed my three year old

868
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: to close his eyes so I could just blast his

869
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: face with deep woods off. Um. Anyway, you'll know it's

870
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: working when you can't feel your lips. But I digress anyway.

871
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: For kicks, I looked up leading uh natural remedies for

872
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: constipation and among many other things. If you're just too

873
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: healthy for two tabs of coal and blow or mirror

874
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: lax you can try water, prunes, coffee, olive oil, probiotics, salt,

875
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: or herbal laxative. Or you could man up and do

876
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: it like they apparently did in age in China and

877
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: jam alive veal right up your ass. So this story

878
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: comes from Newsweek and it begins take the story as

879
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: a lesson of what not to do under any circumstances. Ever,

880
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: a man in China has been hospitalized after using a

881
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: live eel which he inserted up his anus and into

882
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: his rectum to cure his case of constipation. Oh my god. Okay,

883
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: so this man has somehow managed to keep his name

884
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: out of the story, and good for him. Um, But

885
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: but he he inserted an eight inch or eight inch

886
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: live eel up there, and when it reached his colon,

887
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: the eel the inner lining made a hole and ended

888
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: up swimming around dude's abdomen. Dude, okay, but this is

889
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: the insane thing, right, This is the insane thing that

890
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: wasn't the insane thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna make it

891
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: more insane. Okay. This is not some wacky because I've

892
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: I've been known to grab these. This is not one.

893
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: This is not one of those wacky one off weekly

894
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: world news stories. Right. This has been documented many times

895
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: and it's supposedly a known folk remedy for constipation in

896
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: Chinese his culture. So according to this story, Men's Journal

897
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: ran a story in two seventeen about a man that

898
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: tried this, and it says in that case, the forty

899
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: nine year old man was rushed to the hospital, where

900
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: doctors performed an emergency surgery to remove the eel. When

901
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: they asked how that eel had gotten into his system,

902
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: he told him it swam up by itself, before eventually

903
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: confessing that he had put it there. The story goes on.

904
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: In twenty Fox News reported a similar incident. In that case,

905
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: the eels tore through the man's intestines, causing a serious infection,

906
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: and that's per the head of General surgery at the

907
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: hospital that treated him. That doctor said, we opened him

908
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: up and noticed a large amount of fecal water mixed

909
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: with blood. There was severe swelling, and we found two

910
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: very I hope nobody's trying to eat breakfast. I hope they.

911
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a tunus subway HOGI hope right now. Um.

912
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: So there was severe swelling and two very thick swamp

913
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: eels at the bottom of his abdominal cavity. Um, and

914
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: this dude required all kinds of surgery to as up

915
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: his intestines. So in this recent case, though, the man

916
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: was he was apparently racked with abdominal pain, but similar

917
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: to that other story, too embarrassed to seek medical help.

918
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: So I guess he finally couldn't take it anymore and

919
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: he gave in and they performed emergency surgery. And the

920
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: doctor said it was like in the nick of time

921
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: because there was a bad bacterial infection starting in his

922
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: abdominal cavity that probably would have killed him, like dude

923
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: would end up biting it. Um. So a couple of

924
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: just other fun notes. The eel was still alive, which

925
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: that bobbles my mind and speaks to the resilience of

926
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: eels in general, because I mean, dude, your insides are

927
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: pretty acidic, right, Like that's crazy, and that that's some

928
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: ship straight out of Aliens with the chest burster. It's

929
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: not right, um. And I also a cross reference this

930
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: story just to see if there was anything different on

931
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: the other news sites that that ran it, and there wasn't.

932
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: But many of them used an image of a Moray eel,

933
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: which is even funnier to me, like a big giant

934
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: cream worry. Um. But you know that's I think. I

935
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: think the overriding message there is like people think eels.

936
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: The eels are nasty, and eels have teeth and they

937
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: are predators, you know what I mean? It ain't a

938
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: goldfish and scavengers and scavengers. So again, this was not

939
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: like a weekly world news deal like this. This seems

940
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: to have validity that this is a thing that some

941
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: ancient grandma was like, Ah, you got backed up, let

942
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: me get your kneel. You know what you need. I don't.

943
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this in a totally personal direction. And

944
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: so I used to consider myself not that squeamish, but

945
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: I was quite literally physically twisting around as you told

946
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: that story. I thought I was going to start with

947
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: this one time in college, but you've disappointed us all.

948
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I have zero experience with anals in my anus. Um, thankfully,

949
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: but that really did make I don't think of myself

950
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: as squeamish show, but you you did make me twist

951
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: and turn in my seat throughout that whole story. So congratulations,

952
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: and now you know now you know what not to do. Um.

953
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: And usually after a story like that, I need a drink.

954
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear from Phil. We're gonna say, hopefully

955
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: he's even in better spirits than than last week. We're

956
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Phil, and then we're gonna go drinking,

957
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: you and me. That's my bar. Alright, let's not beat

958
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: around the bush here. Miles, you win, Joe. I'm gonna

959
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: do something that I don't think I've done on the

960
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: show so far, and I'm gonna say that not only

961
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: does Miles win, but you lose. I wish I could

962
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: retroactively take away some of your previous winds for sharing

963
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: the butt eel story. That was unnecessary and frankly just

964
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: rude and Miles. Sometimes my kid will just start doing

965
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: really small chores around the house, like pick up a

966
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: couple of toys in the living room in the name

967
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: of altruism. But then he'll come to me and ask

968
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: for a piece of candy, like he wants a reward,

969
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: And uh, it kind of reminded me of your guy

970
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: from your first story. So I think I'm gonna get

971
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: them together. See if I can set up a play date.

972
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: I'll pick them up a couple of hot and readies

973
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: from Little Caesars, and they can set records in Fortnite

974
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: all night long. It'll be great. Best God damn bartender

975
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: from Tim buck to to Portland's Maine, the Portland Argain

976
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: for that matter. You know, we often struggle with listener

977
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: names on this show, Like more often than not, I

978
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: feel like we get names that we we mostly pronounced incorrectly.

979
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: Butcher but not this week. Okay, this week's that's my

980
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: bar nomination comes to us from Justin Contra, which finally

981
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: gives me license to use this clip people our age.

982
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: At least, I think we'll get that that that that

983
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: is a good one. But if if we're gonna do this,

984
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: what about this one? So that street Fighter too, but

985
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't recall is that Genesis or or Super Nintendo.

986
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that's original any s. Street Fighter. I

987
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I just wanted the audio. I just wanted

988
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: the hot Yuken. I don't know where that came from

989
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: which you pulled the clip. You pulled the clip, and

990
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: you don't even know what I pulled it for. The Jesus,

991
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: Phil's gonna come. Phil's gonna come to your house and

992
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of you. Enough about our misspent youth.

993
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: One of us clearly spent more time with the Street

994
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Fighter than the other. Uh. The point is that Justin

995
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: Contra really took our advice to heart. He put some

996
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: significant thought in describing his favorite bar. I was already

997
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: curious about fishing some of the water near the spot,

998
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: But I now know where I will go drinking if

999
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: I ever get there. This the places over in Joe's

1000
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: bart the world nestled and it's it's it's right in

1001
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: the middle of that combat Great Lakes Salmon's Steelhead Brown

1002
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: Trout scene. I've heard about and we talked about all

1003
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, and while I've I've spent a ton

1004
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: of time up there, I've never been to this bar. Uh,

1005
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: nor have I fished this particular ship show. But I

1006
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: know people that fish it more so for brown trout

1007
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: than salmon, and then they either tend to crush it

1008
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: or walk away totally disgusted. It's it's it's usually one

1009
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: of the two, all right, So here we go, Justin

1010
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: writes as one pulls into ho Jack's pothole laden gravel lot.

1011
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: The first of several critical decisions is me, do I

1012
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: park next to the self righteous fly guys whose vehicles

1013
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: are equipped with rod vaults, sim stickers and yetti coolers

1014
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: or the gear junkies with fiberglass spinning rods and frog

1015
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: tall waiters. Excellent detail there, hanging out of the rusty

1016
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: pickup bed. Choose wisely. The parking lot is visible from

1017
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: the bar, and judgments are made upon entering ho Jack's

1018
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: for here to be ogled by the old timers who

1019
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: can remember oak orchard, or what they call the oak

1020
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: before King Salmon runs and droves of anglers that chase them.

1021
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: The decore is that of a typical nineteen seventies towny joint.

1022
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: A few high tap tables, a yellowish nicotine patina on

1023
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: the ceiling tiles, and a sticky wooden bar top lets

1024
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: you know your home. Oh that's such a good detail.

1025
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: I could almost a feel that that's sticky bar top

1026
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: like you. Like you said, so, I've heard whispers at

1027
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: least about the oak, but like you, it was always

1028
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: in relation to the brown fishery. Yeah, lake runners, they

1029
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: get salmon, but it's it's the lake run browns that

1030
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: make it famous. Yeah, that's that's what I know about

1031
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: um and and and if I were to go there,

1032
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: the browns would interest me more than the Kings. Yeah. Anyway,

1033
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: justin continues, did I mention the wood paneling The walls

1034
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: are covered with aging fish mounts, polaroid gribb and grins

1035
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: of dark kings, and photographic reminders of New York distant

1036
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: industrial canal. Passed over the clinking of glasses and rumbles

1037
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: of the local radio station, one can always hear a

1038
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: cacophony of common phrases like he was looked right in

1039
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: the mouth, and they'll definitely take a fly. Sit there

1040
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: long enough and you'll start muttering those age old adages too,

1041
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: even if you don't believe them. Now, I Miles may

1042
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: not have ever fish there, but even I know about

1043
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: the vehement debate over whether or not those salmon actually

1044
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: eat or just get snapped. Yeah, yeah, and there there's

1045
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: a famous meme that makes the rounds every season of

1046
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: a king salmon with arrows just pointing to every part

1047
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: of the body, and every arrow is just captioned mouth

1048
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: like you've got the real mouth, the belly mouth, the

1049
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: ass mouth. Probably, I'm sure you've seen that. So when

1050
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: I was gout in Alaska, we used to call that

1051
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: one in the south mouth like that, you'd have a

1052
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: client yard digg into salmon hooked in the as Inevitably

1053
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: some of the one of the guys would turn and say, oh,

1054
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: would you look at he hit it so hard to

1055
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: sh I did. I had a buddy once that hit

1056
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: me up to ask if I could recommend a fly

1057
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: rod that wouldn't break so he could quickly drag the

1058
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: ass hooked ones in and waste left time between true eaters.

1059
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll give you a piece of

1060
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: calcutta with some guides. I don't know what you want.

1061
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: I know the answer that question. If you can find

1062
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: a classic uh fen glass yep, ten weight fen glass

1063
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: is almost unbreakable. There you go, There you go. If

1064
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: you're still listening. Bud Miles has your back. But yeah,

1065
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: but the eating verse snagging debate is perennial with these fish. Anyway.

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00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: Continuing on with Justin's email, bellying up to the bar,

1067
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: you'll find that the pores are generous and you don't

1068
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: have to worry about deciding between a hipster microbrew or

1069
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: a fancy fish them mixed drink, mostly because there aren't.

1070
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: He instead try to earn brownie points with the locals

1071
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: by sticking with something watery in a can to chase

1072
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: a few fingers of wild turkey. If you play it cool.

1073
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: If you play it cool, they might even let you

1074
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: in on that hot color. Those kings are craving, which

1075
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: has been orange for the last thirty five years or so.

1076
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: Banger like that. Damn, I love that so much. Just

1077
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: hit you, ah mention. You've been struggling to get anything

1078
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: on the stringer, and you'll unanimously be told to just

1079
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: keep adding split shot. This is so accurate, it's frightening,

1080
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Like this is great, This is poetry knowing it's seen

1081
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: and and some some salmon fishing advice is just universal. Anyway,

1082
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: back to Justin, he says, if you're feeling like a

1083
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: classier night out with the old lady o Jack's has

1084
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: you covered there too? Nothing says I'm sorry you and

1085
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: the kids haven't seen me since the run started in

1086
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: late September. Like a dozen wings, first smoked and then

1087
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: fried before being drowned in a blueberry bourbon glaze. It

1088
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: was truly something to behold. But before you get too

1089
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: saucy and complain about that jackass named Diesel who was

1090
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: toss like a chucking duck rig at your feet all day,

1091
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: make sure he isn't sitting right behind you. That's good advice, solid, solid,

1092
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: And here's Justin's fabulous closing. Next time you find yourself

1093
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: an Upstate New York sore from hucking a rosary bead

1094
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: of split shot at luck jawed and mud sharks, wander

1095
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: over to ho Jack's Barton Grill. You won't be disappointed.

1096
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: Just remember they are closed on Sundays unless the fishing

1097
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: where snowmobiling is particularly good. Justin may have just inadvertently

1098
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: given us a great idea for the next bent sticker,

1099
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: a rosary of split shot with like a giant gob

1100
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: of egg yarn where the cross would be. You let

1101
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: us know, mud shark fans if we should make that

1102
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: because I think it's brilliant. I concur I think we should,

1103
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: and justin I really do hope I get to drink,

1104
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: and more important than drinking, I hope I get at

1105
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: some of those wings at ho Jack Sunday, because smoke

1106
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: than fried is the only way to go. Even if

1107
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: even if I didn't fish, even if I just sat

1108
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: out the craziness, I could easily spend a day sitting

1109
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: on the sidelines and just watching this whole thing play

1110
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: out and everyone else out there follow Justice's League. Because

1111
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: that that, my friends, is how you nominate a bar.

1112
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: If if you've got a fishy dive you think deserves

1113
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: some love, let us know with an email to Bent

1114
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com straight up, if you

1115
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: want to see a new sticker design, new Bent sticker

1116
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: with with split shot rosary beads and like a yarnie

1117
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: cross hollow raz I want if enough of you and

1118
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what that number is, okay, but if

1119
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: enough of you want them, we might get them made

1120
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: and make them public. Or we could one up and

1121
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: be like if we hit five stars on Apple in

1122
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: the reviews by nobody will ever get them, So we

1123
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: won't do that to you. But and if if that

1124
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, we'll just make them for ourselves and maybe

1125
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: for just thanks, just because I would slap that sticker

1126
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: on my eggbox in a heartbeat. Yeah. Same here, Same here.

1127
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: And like, while tying up a slinky rig for mud

1128
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: sharks might sound complicated and time consuming, it doesn't have

1129
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: to be. It does not demoralizing maybe, but it does

1130
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: not have to be complicated. It's right in fact. Uh,

1131
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, everyone thinks you got to know like eighty

1132
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: nine different complicated knots to be a good angler. But

1133
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: another one of my good buddies, Joe demil Daris, frequent

1134
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: guest here, would disagree. And Jody owns White Tail Country

1135
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: fly Shop on the Upper Delaware River in Pennsylvania and

1136
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: is also another poster child for proud East Coast angling.

1137
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: Joe's here to close out the show with tackle hacks

1138
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: this week about the only three knots you really need

1139
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: to know. I'm getting hacks coming from inside the city,

1140
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: why the flood? So here comes another one from our

1141
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: cross Current Guide service Guide Shack session. Sitting here with

1142
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: my good friend Joe dimil Daris, How goes it good?

1143
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: How you doing Joe, I'm I'm very good. I am

1144
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: very good. Good to be hanging out here as always.

1145
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: So You've got a lot of experience and guiding a

1146
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: very long time. I've seen a lot of things and

1147
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and I have learned much from

1148
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: you over the years. I am a better fly fisherman

1149
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: because I know you well. That is actually very flattering

1150
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: because you were like you were, not like some jamoke

1151
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: when you first showed up. So yeah, I mean, I

1152
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: consider myself anyway. So this is tackle hacks. So um man,

1153
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: impart some some of that knowledge on us and give

1154
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: us a little something something that will make all the

1155
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: listeners out there better anglers. So I've told us a

1156
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: lot of people a lot of times, especially you know,

1157
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: with beginners when I'm teaching them, everybody gets like wound

1158
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: up in not literally but intend not not um but

1159
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: people get what they do. They get all wound up

1160
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: and want to learn all these different knots, right, all

1161
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: these crazy knots, And people ask, you know, oh, I

1162
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: have to use the FG, not to use this not

1163
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: you gonna. Yeah it's great, everything's cool, but you know what,

1164
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: learn how to tie three? Good? First? Right? Learn three

1165
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: knots listen because here they come and the three. If

1166
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: you want to learn how to tie a good loop knot,

1167
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: a good non slip, whether each breach, whether it's just

1168
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: your regular old if it doesn't have a split ring,

1169
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: I loop not glorifly preach learn a good loop knot

1170
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: all right? And which would you recommend? I just I

1171
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: don't even know the name of It's just called a

1172
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: non slip loop. That's also like the rapt kind of

1173
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: something like that. And then you like or you can

1174
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: do a perfection loop, will do it too, Okay, So

1175
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: learn a perfection loop, learn a good tippet to lead

1176
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: or not right like I like blood knots. I think

1177
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: they're cool. I think surgeon knots are like for people

1178
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: who just don't want to learn how to tipe, but

1179
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: a right but there there's a jam not right, so

1180
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: they jam against each other. Not a bite not biting

1181
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: knot bite spice, which I think he's great for thicker

1182
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: lines and salt water and for braid and stuff like

1183
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: that with fly fishing. So this is me a loop,

1184
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: not a blood not and a fly to tip it

1185
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: not now a clinch knot or improve clinch very strong,

1186
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: not a lot of applications, but you know, like if

1187
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: you're coming from the bass fishing world and you don't

1188
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: mind using like an extra two feet a tip at

1189
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: tie a palamar, I don't really care. But learn that

1190
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: not well tie not three knots well, all right, So

1191
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: don't fret like I canna learn how to tie a biminy,

1192
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: but you can't even tie a clinch knot, you know,

1193
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: So don't worry about the bimony because the time you're

1194
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: gonna need it, you could probably be with some guy.

1195
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be in a fly shop amy loop

1196
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 1: to put your fly line on? Have to do there?

1197
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: Do it because you're gonna do it once a year,

1198
01:06:53,360 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: and you can do it lousy once a year. Well

1199
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. But if you are a

1200
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: serious angler living on the East Coast and considering moving

1201
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 1: away to find better fishing, Joe's giving you some food

1202
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: for thought today. First, the entire western part of the

1203
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: US will soon be a biblical desert of burning bushes

1204
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: where no fish can never survive again. Pristine mountain streams

1205
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: are great and all, but good canolis are better. The

1206
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: best wings on the planet can be found out there,

1207
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: and make a fantastic kaper. Do a day of chasing

1208
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: mud sharks and dodging split shot and neither driving across

1209
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: the country or learning more knots will help you catch

1210
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: more fish. You'll suck just as much as you did

1211
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: back home. That you well and while you're reveling in

1212
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: you are close to home fishing. Tell us about it.

1213
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: Send your bar nominations, awkward photos, sailbing items, new leads,

1214
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 1: and pedigree puppies to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

1215
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: Keep throwing down the degenerate angler and bent podcast hashtags,

1216
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: and maybe, just maybe you'll get a split shot rosary

1217
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: bead sticker in the mail something if that actually gets me.

1218
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: Or just keep praying to the gods would spawned out

1219
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: salmon and pellet truck m life