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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to a very special edition of the Music Save

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Speaker 2: Me podcast where we dig into the songs and artists

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Speaker 2: that didn't just play in the background.

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Speaker 1: They pulled us out of the dark.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lyn Hoffman and speaking of special podcasts, you know,

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Speaker 2: from time to time we like to turn you on

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Speaker 2: to new podcasts what we think you might like. Buzznight

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Speaker 2: Media just launched a brand new one called Taking a

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Speaker 2: Walk Nashville, which is a spin off of his popular

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Speaker 2: original Taken a Walk podcast that Buzz hosts, where Nashville

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Speaker 2: based country artist and storytellers Sarah Harrelson interview some of

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Speaker 2: the biggest names and up and coming artists in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: So you can hear that wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: And we're so excited to welcome her to the family.

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Speaker 2: I'm the cats, all right, I'm so stoked right now?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell?

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Speaker 2: On this very special episode of Music Saved Me, we

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Speaker 2: are celebrating fifty years since folk artist and humanitarian Harry

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Speaker 2: Chapin dropped a quiet bomb in a song called Cat's

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Speaker 2: in the Cradle Just Like Me. And this song wasn't

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Speaker 2: a party anthem, it was a mirror and for the

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Speaker 2: millions to this day, including the two legends joining me

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Speaker 2: right now. It was a lifeline, fresh off starring in

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Speaker 2: a sweet new documentary called Kats in the Cradle, The

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Speaker 2: Song That Changed Our Lives, streaming right now on Amazon Prime.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to welcome my two special guests today

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Speaker 2: who I hounded incessantly on text to join me to

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Speaker 2: talk about this. D Snyder, the unfiltered voice behind the

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Speaker 2: glam rock band Twisted Sister, and Darryl dmc McDaniels, hip

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Speaker 2: hop pioneer and Run DMC co founder. Gentlemen, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Music Save Me, and thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: on today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us. This is so good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great to be here. You got two d's.

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Speaker 3: D's my hair, double d's.

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Speaker 1: It's the double Now.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is is that when I watched this documentary,

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Speaker 2: I saw and heard for the first time that d

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Speaker 2: didn't really like folk music at all. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: think you used the word I hated folk music and

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Speaker 2: DMC yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Hate Acoup sigatore and I hate folk music.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so you two are the last people that

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Speaker 2: I would have expected to pop up.

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Speaker 3: Because I loved it.

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Speaker 4: He hates it you like you like that ship?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you understand when when I when I

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Speaker 3: it was storytelling. So it wasn't like it was a

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Speaker 3: genre to me because I was a little kid. All

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Speaker 3: I did was read comic books. The folk music. The

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Speaker 3: It was, you know, a Jim Croachy bag, that Leroy

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Speaker 3: Brown bad. This man in a whole damn town than.

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Speaker 5: Even I'm not judging. You know, people get very upset

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Speaker 5: why I say things like I hate golf.

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Speaker 3: But I say I.

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Speaker 5: Hate golf, and people are like, dude, is that affecting golfing?

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Speaker 5: And I hate thee Dead.

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Speaker 4: They had a wonderful career. They don't need me. I

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Speaker 4: have to like everything you like.

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Speaker 5: So you like rapel Dead, great, you like golf, you

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Speaker 5: like folk music, that's fabulous. I like aggressive music, you know,

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Speaker 5: And that's why I like hip hop too, because it's

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Speaker 3: It's in your face.

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Speaker 4: It demands your attention in a different way.

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Speaker 2: This, by the way, this is why I brought you

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Speaker 2: two together, because we got to take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: You two have to sort this out and then we're

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Speaker 2: gonna come right back and get into it with d

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Speaker 2: Snyder and Darryl McDaniel's next on Music Save Me, Don't

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Speaker 2: Go Anywhere, Music Saved Me and dmc it was a

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Speaker 2: little over I want to say twenty years ago, maybe

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Speaker 2: twenty two years ago since you the three of us

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Speaker 2: first met on the set of VH one Classics very

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Speaker 2: Special Thanksgiving taping along with Debbie Gibson and Gloria Gator.

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Speaker 1: We had turkey, all the trimmings.

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Speaker 2: We talked about music and things we were grateful for,

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Speaker 2: and it's all come full circle because we're back together again,

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Speaker 5: I was grateful to have you guys on that horrible

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Speaker 5: they had like some wine connoisseur who was explaining every

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Speaker 5: pairing wines. Oh yeah, no, and you were saying it's

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Speaker 5: okay to rock a wine. Yeah yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 5: but it was. It was awful experience except meeting you, Daryl,

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Speaker 5: and you and and Debbie.

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Speaker 4: And I have become friends as well.

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Speaker 1: That's so co Yeah, yeah, that's so awesome.

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Speaker 2: I you know, and I really you two have really

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know you are the most real, genuine

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Speaker 3: That's the thing to get us together.

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Speaker 1: We had more work today, we have.

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Speaker 3: More things to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to talk today about a song that

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Speaker 2: is super powerful. And you both have been on Music

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Speaker 2: Saved Me before as guests, so you know the stories

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Speaker 2: about people being saved by music and artists also, uh

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Speaker 2: And basically this song I think has to be maybe

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Speaker 2: And also I wanted to say that talking about emotions

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Speaker 2: leads itself to more of like a badass, silent toughness.

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Speaker 2: So allowing us all to access your vulnerable side and

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Speaker 4: I definitely what you play on stage now. I don't

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Speaker 5: I definitely feel I've gotten more vulnerable and touch with

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Speaker 4: Because you know, if I'm watching movies now.

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Speaker 3: Cry is just crying to Cabrini, the movie about Mother Cabrini. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Yeah, so definitely got emotional as I've

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Speaker 1: Wow you think maybe that was kids having kids?

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Speaker 3: like they said, it's experience, like it was always there

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Speaker 3: other things. You know. I think if it would approach

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Speaker 3: it wasn't time for like D said, it's not about age.

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Speaker 3: It was just about I mean experience, you know.

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Speaker 5: But you know, Catching the Cradle is a really good example,

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Speaker 5: you know about a song that with time becomes being

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Speaker 5: more and more to you. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 5: Harry's from Long Island, where yes, who us are from.

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Speaker 5: So the poor guy was killed on the four nineties,

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Speaker 4: And let me.

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Speaker 1: Get into that with you.

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Speaker 2: In the doc, you said hearing this song d my dad,

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Speaker 3: Can you please explain and walk us.

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Speaker 2: What specifically was it about the song that hit you

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Speaker 4: I was Daryl's gonna get this.

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Speaker 5: I was gone the first nine months of my son's life,

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Speaker 4: I was non existent.

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Speaker 5: He watched me on MTV and she said, would go,

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Speaker 5: I just did exactly what Harry was warning me about exactly.

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Speaker 5: How were you he was in ninety four.

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Speaker 4: I was never home. I was eighty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so my first but well, my first and only

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Speaker 3: miss Daniels, I didn't know your husband was a pilot

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Speaker 3: Our Africa's kids are so smart. All my son knew

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of people Daddy, you know Doddy,

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Speaker 3: but now here as he got old, he put, oh,

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Speaker 4: Saddy, do they fly on your plane with you?

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Speaker 3: And she she, she explained to me, yes, yes, she revealed.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what I said on that documentary.

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Speaker 5: He was my hero, and the fact that he was

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Speaker 4: Could see he was disappointed that it didn't say d

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy about Harry's song. The very thing

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Speaker 3: I had fourth words.

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Speaker 5: And that's the only thing I want from them is time,

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Speaker 3: This isn't about you. Anybody who ever heard it like

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Speaker 1: Life goes so fast. We're here for such a short

440
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: amount of time.

441
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: Even with just so on for Meido, When I first

442
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: heard it, though, I thought the beat was dope to

443
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: drum like you know, to most of our stipp BELI

444
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: even though it was folk music. You know, we sampled,

445
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 3: I mean we stole. I mean we sampled a lot

446
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 3: of certain music. But that the rhythm of it was

447
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 3: kind of really cool. You know what I'm saying.

448
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: You're d D's biting his finger over.

449
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: It was like, even if you have no family issues,

450
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: the vibration of that soul brings about emotions and that's

451
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: what music does. That's what music does.

452
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: D Twist's sister was all about bellion and giving the

453
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: middle finger to authority.

454
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 2: Yes, but this song forresd introspection, which is really just

455
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: for the average person looking inward? Am I the problem?

456
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: Is there something I'm not doing? That's not an easy

457
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: thing to do, especially when you're young. Was there ever

458
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 2: a moment while you were on tour where you I

459
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: can say this to both of you, when you both

460
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: had to choose between the rock star life and being

461
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: present for your family. Was there ever at any time

462
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: like that?

463
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: You know?

464
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: I was had Jesse. We had Jesse in eighty two

465
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 5: and the band broke eighty three. I was over living

466
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 5: in England. We had a deal over in England recording

467
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 5: and touring. At eighty four, Stay Hungry came out and

468
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 5: the world opened up for us, and that was I

469
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 5: was gone. I was gone. And my wife, you know,

470
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 5: you say, oh you whyted you to bring him on

471
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 5: the road. Let me get to another subject of me

472
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 5: being a miserable bastard on the road. I was just

473
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 5: mad at the world, not at my wife and my kid,

474
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 5: but you know, I was just just perpetually angry at everything.

475
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 5: I just sat in my room and just fumed and

476
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 5: then went out and screamed the.

477
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: People in the state.

478
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: You know.

479
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: I was always in a rage.

480
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 5: And Suzanne would just say, you know what, you're terrible

481
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 5: to hang around with us, you know, you know, wait

482
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 5: till you come home, and I get it, you know,

483
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 5: because I was so preoccupied with trying to to just

484
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 5: make the success last and keep going. But it was,

485
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 5: you know, it was certainly I'd made adjustments. I remember,

486
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 5: here's a big one. Okay. I was very midtime. I'll aware,

487
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 5: I have a son. So I was on tour, the

488
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 5: height of things going crazy, and my son got sick

489
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 5: and nothing crazy, and then he got bronchitis.

490
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 4: And then my wife calls him they're putting him in

491
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: the hospital.

492
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 5: And I remember hearing that Robert Plant's son, the same

493
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 5: thing happened. Robert Plant's son, Robert Plant was on tour

494
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 5: and his son got a cold, son got really ill.

495
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 5: Son went to the hospital. His son died while he

496
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: was on tour. And I just said, that is not

497
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: going to be me. And I just I pulled up

498
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 5: the guys around in California. I said, I have got

499
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 5: to go home. I cannot. In three days, he's gone

500
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: from always got a cold too. He's in the hospital,

501
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 5: you know, and uh with an IV and I flew home,

502
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 5: got through in time, and as as Daryl knows, kids.

503
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: They recuperating my dash.

504
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 5: And but maybe it was part of dad walking in,

505
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 5: you know, and and to the hospital and you know,

506
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 5: and just maybe that would help whatever it was.

507
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 4: I just didn't want my song to wind up.

508
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 5: And I love Robert rock playing, and you know, I'm

509
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 5: not no casting as persians.

510
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: You know. He figured he's going to be okay. He

511
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: just said, the kid's got a cold. He said fine.

512
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: I'd not want to take any chance that I would

513
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 5: be a lasting memory that my son died.

514
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: While I was out there on tour.

515
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: So I got home as fast as good and stage

516
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: leader got better.

517
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: That was a step up moment, yeah for sure.

518
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: DMC similar similar question, but the Swagger Revolution that was

519
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: run DMC.

520
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: But this song just cracked you open.

521
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: So because the song had an impact because at the time,

522
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: at the time, the song reserved it three times when

523
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: I was little, but hip hop first baget and it

524
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: was a president. Now I'm going to my you know,

525
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: my alcoholics suicide of metaphysical spiritual wreck who just found

526
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: out he was adopted at age thirty five, jam Master

527
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: Jay gets shot and killed and then my father dies

528
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: of cancer, so you could imagine where I was at.

529
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: And then you know, I'm drinking Jack Daniel, Jack Daniel's,

530
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: Jim Beam and Johnny Walker. Jack, Johnny and Jim become

531
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: my best friends. In prior me starting to drink and

532
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: get pride of me finding out that I was adopted,

533
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: I had a cute pancreatitis. So then when I find

534
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: out that I was adopted, I'm drinking myself to death.

535
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 3: And I always remember my wife telling me, motherfucker, you

536
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: got a son now. And I still didn't stop hanging

537
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: with Jack, Jim and Johnny even though I had a son,

538
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: and then it got to the point where my wife said,

539
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: you are a suicidal You are killing yourself. You don't

540
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: gotta shoot you yourself. You don't got to put your

541
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: foot on the third rail. You don't gotta drink the poison.

542
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: You're fucking drinking and you have pancreatitis. So subconsciously I

543
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: was committing suicide. And then my wife was like, what

544
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: are you gonna What are we gonna do if you

545
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 3: leave us? And I was like, oh, so that revelation

546
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: and the song's playing. I'm trying to find Sarah mclockin.

547
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: But it was that revelation saying, oh, oh shit, I

548
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: don't want to end up letting him grow up without

549
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: his dad, So Harry it was always irrelevant theme song

550
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: in My Life movie. That was the moment that I said,

551
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: you know what, I gotta go to rehab because I

552
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: was a functional drunk, like I was never late. I

553
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: was just drunk all the time, and I'm drinking but

554
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to be drinking. I'm drinking thinking. I'm

555
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: celebrating the newfound found part of my identity. I'm GMC

556
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: from run DMC. Yes Byford and Banner is my mother father,

557
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: Alpha is my brother. But now that I'm finding out

558
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: to adopt it, that's a missing piece to my identity

559
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: that I didn't know. I'm celebrating. And my wife was like,

560
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: motherfucker again, motherfucker. She had a lot of motherfuckers. Motherfucking.

561
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: I was just drinking because you can't handle the fact

562
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: that your parents didn't tell you was adopted. All the time.

563
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: So the record's playing, I'm going to rehab, I get out,

564
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: you know, Maracca see my pancreas heels, no liver problems.

565
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: And then I go, I gotta do something the same way.

566
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: I've got to do something with music, the same way

567
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: Sarah Mclockery made the Angels song Yeah yeah, yeah in

568
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: Save my Life, I'm gonna use the Harry Chapins song

569
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: that had. Like what I'm trying to say is I've

570
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: heard the record as a kid, and this is the

571
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: universe saying this is gonna for this is for a reason.

572
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: I'm a fully grown man at age thirty five.

573
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 5: As I'm saying, with the years, it just takes on it.

574
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: It's like that old Bill Cosby child Family special. I'm

575
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 5: not gonna I ain't talking bad about Bill as funny.

576
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: It's funny, and he's to had that thing about kids

577
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: and stuff, and you could just keep watching it and

578
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 5: identify it as I used one five that song change

579
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: the meaning change as the years go by, and you know,

580
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 5: and respected your life amazing.

581
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: The song definitely wasn't nostalgia. It was like a.

582
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: Literal warning on like myriad levels and the message that

583
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: basically you can change the course of your life for

584
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: the better and to be more positive and help all

585
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: those lives by being more present with the people that

586
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: matter most.

587
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and little things, yes, yeah, And it's the little things.

588
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: It's not money because see you know the record says

589
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: there's plans to catch and builds the pay that's a

590
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: big statement because of course that's necessity. We gotta eat

591
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: and it's neck. But at the end of the day,

592
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: that none of that means nothing if you don't have

593
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 3: that simple little connect, you know what I'm saying. Playing

594
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: Catching the Boy like the song is an eye opener,

595
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: and it's also a great anthem for forster kids and

596
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: orphans and adopted kids. Some kids might not be in

597
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: a situation I have a farth at all. So your

598
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: little mentorship for your little I'm gonna take you to

599
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: the movies, little kid, I'm gonna take you to the museum.

600
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: You know, anything that you can do for a kid

601
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: that is not even yours, that doesn't have a father,

602
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: it can make your son shoot, I'm gonna go at

603
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: all off.

604
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Not no, But clearly you're right.

605
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: And the ripple effect from the song is still so

606
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: strong and remains even fifty years later. I can't even

607
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: believe that we're still talking about I wonder if Harry

608
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: would even be shocked that it.

609
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: But learn No, I think he knew what he was doing.

610
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: To he did, But I got to say.

611
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: The one thing I did not know is I didn't

612
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: know that his wife wrote it.

613
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Yes, And it sort of.

614
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: Makes sense because, like I said, sort of in the beginning,

615
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: guys aren't always readily available to get deep into conversation

616
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: about personal things and emotion, you know, and emotional things.

617
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: So like it makes sense to me now why it

618
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: touched so many people because a woman wrote it. Sorry

619
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean to take credit, but it really we could

620
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: talk and talk.

621
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 5: Because I mean, she's observing it, but she has another thing,

622
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 5: is she's on the outside observing that couple's using and

623
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: you know interpreter to speak to each other. She was

624
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 5: the observer or so he gave her a much better

625
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: view of the situation.

626
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: Right about it.

627
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: When you're in the middle of it, very tough to

628
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: see it as it's happening. It's only with the pass

629
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: of the time that I've stepped back and look at goes.

630
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, I did exactly what it.

631
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: Was exactly, because then you become an exerb But you

632
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: get there, and for us, the it's really crazy when

633
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: somebody let you do all that you do and then

634
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: you at a point where your awareness is a little more,

635
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: and then they revealed to you all the stuff that

636
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: you did, and you go, yep, I remember, Oh you.

637
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: Met my wife.

638
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Susette is awesome. She's so amazing, the truth.

639
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: Sayer, the dropper of the F bombs for sure.

640
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh I think I would.

641
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: Well, I already know Susette, but I don't know your

642
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: wife personally, d Darryl. But I have to say that

643
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: we're probably all three very similar because I have a artist.

644
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: For Willie, you guys know, is an artist, but in

645
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: a different way. He you know, produces things that people

646
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: see visually in here and stuff. But but but but similarly,

647
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: he is what's that word prolific? It's it's the amount

648
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: of work that comes out of this one person is

649
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: like a lot and it means that he has to

650
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: lock himself away a lot and miss out on a lot.

651
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: So I can completely relate and the F.

652
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: Bomb, Yes, yes, exactly cost frequently.

653
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm a truck driver. D What these are some rapid

654
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: fire questions. What's one line from the song that you

655
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: would tattoo on every new parent?

656
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: Well, which do you talk to? I was.

657
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: Sorry, uh D Yes, Darren, I'm saying because I got you.

658
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, I'd have to look at the

659
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Speaker 5: lyrics to refresh them in my mind.

660
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Speaker 4: I mean, all of it, all of it should be.

661
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just it's it's insanely powerful beginning to end. Look,

662
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 5: I hate acoustic guitars, I hate folk music.

663
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: Yet I've listened to.

664
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Speaker 5: That whole song many, many times because as the story's unfolding,

665
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 5: even after you know it, it's it's it's And.

666
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 4: That's part of the deal.

667
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 5: Is that what the father did to the son, the

668
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 5: son is now doing to the father, and what the

669
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 5: son wanted from his father his time, now the father

670
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 5: wants his son, and neither has the time for either.

671
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 5: It's it is truly an amazing storytelling lyrically amazing top

672
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: to bottom.

673
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Speaker 3: So I would sum it up with it to add,

674
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: he said that last line the whole song can be

675
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: stated in what DJ has said when he says, my boy,

676
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: it's just like me, except boy son, it's just like me.

677
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: And then he goes on in their cats and what's

678
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 3: what's so? What's so powerful about that? He realizes that,

679
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: and then he just says goes back into the chorus

680
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: like that's what his life is now summed up in

681
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: all the planes and all of that and all of

682
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: that he thought it mad at then and now comes

683
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: that to him saying, my wife is sick, my daughter's sick. Dad,

684
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: I gotta go to work them. I got a meeting.

685
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: I'll call you on Thanksgiving. And it's like he realizes that, damn,

686
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: if only I would have did this different. And the

687
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: other thing is he says, my boy is just like me.

688
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: Not only does this boy doesn't have time for him,

689
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: his boy is busy with LFE. So you know, my

690
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: whole thing is, I just don't want my son to

691
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: be as crazy as I was in the eighties. Okay,

692
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: I don't want him to be like me. I don't

693
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: want to be like me, but exactly, you know, all

694
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: the cocaine and all that other stuff. I don't want that.

695
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: But if you're not present in their life, that's what

696
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: will lead. You know, Like when you look at all

697
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: of these rock stars and metal all, you know, anybody

698
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: that had a life outside of marines and stuff. When

699
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: they come home, when they run their kids, they the

700
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: most soft spoken, happy people. Taking the kids to kindergarten

701
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: now and going to the recitals. You know, when you

702
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: see the big navy seal at the dicks, he's doing

703
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: that for a reason because he don't want to end

704
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: up like the father.

705
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 4: In a Harry song.

706
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: So I think now after Harry put that song out,

707
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: all the generations afterwards, you started to see a change

708
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 3: in men. Even if you didn't see him soften up,

709
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: you see him being more present in the households.

710
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: That is interesting.

711
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 5: That's that is interesting when because a good observation there,

712
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 5: because you know they're accusing that men have gotten weaker

713
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: and softer and become more involved in their kids' lives.

714
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 5: And it certainly Postscatch the Great you can't ask that.

715
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 6: You know, We'll be right back with more of the

716
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Speaker 6: Music Saved Me podcast. Welcome back to the Music Saved

717
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 6: Me Podcast.

718
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: Conversing with you d through the years.

719
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Speaker 2: It was one time we had a conversation about how

720
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: you felt like you ruined your children because of your

721
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: fame and how they all wanted to follow in your footsteps,

722
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: and I felt like that was way like I never

723
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: heard anyone say that. And then I thought about it

724
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, that could happen.

725
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Speaker 5: Yes, dude, I'm talking about both you dudes. H dude, dude, dude, Now, seriously,

726
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 5: it is well, I mean, now you're getting into crazy stuff.

727
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 5: I mean, you know the shadow we cast, Darryl. You

728
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: know my kids, so they're super creatives. My wife's creative.

729
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 5: I'm creative, encouraged this far. But I have been a

730
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 5: presence much longer than I expect to be a present,

731
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 5: whether you know, a presence, and I am just this

732
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 5: thing that won't get out of the way, and I'm

733
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: very conscious of it now, trying to step aside, to

734
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 5: let the sun on them, let the sun shine on

735
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 5: them without being filtered to their who their father is.

736
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 5: You know, I want nothing more than people to come

737
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 5: up to me and say, are you Cody Snyder's dad?

738
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: Like that to me was like, that's the ultimate dream

739
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: is for people ask me if I'm their father not,

740
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 5: you know, not are you the Snider son?

741
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: You know?

742
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 5: So be careful what you wish for, because you might

743
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 5: get it. And I wanted to be rich and famous.

744
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: I wanted to be a rock star. I want to

745
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: be a husband and a father. But the two don't

746
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 5: work pumptively together. They do not, and it's a real challenge.

747
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 2: There's no manuel on how to be a rock star.

748
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: There's no manual on how to be a parent. There's

749
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: no actual, definitive book.

750
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: Of how to do this. It's like, you know, you're

751
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: on your own right.

752
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 5: So well, the one that does exist is written by

753
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: people who died at twenty seven, and that's that's want.

754
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 4: I don't want the dead rock star man.

755
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: Well, it's obvious the two of you are in touch

756
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: with your sensitive side, your empathy, you have all of

757
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: those things.

758
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: Taking it back, No, I'm not sensitive. I'm not crying.

759
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: That's why he always wears glasses.

760
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: Now, I know exactly.

761
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: But you're also very charitable, and I wonder if that's

762
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 2: part of all of the stuff that we're talking about,

763
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: is using your the platform not only to bring home

764
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: the bacon for the family so you can survive, but

765
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: also to give back because you know it's part of

766
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: why you're on this show today, but what you to

767
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: do charitably on many levels. I know throughout your whole

768
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: career it's been very important to you both to give

769
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: back and in this documentary, I didn't realize that Harry

770
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: believed in using his power so much so that he

771
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: wanted to make a world a better place.

772
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Speaker 1: So he gave away half of all of.

773
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: His money, yeah, half of all of his earnings to

774
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: fight hunger, which is incredible to me.

775
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: I had no idea work.

776
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: Why hunger? You for me in I was like, okay, wow,

777
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: that went out to the facility in Long Island and

778
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: everything I.

779
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 5: Did, many motorcycle rides, charity rides for l I kres

780
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 5: Harry's organization, and I'm honored.

781
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not ragging.

782
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 5: It's just a tie into I received the Harry shapein

783
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: Ward Humanitarian ward for my chatterable work was given to

784
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 5: me by Sandy Yep and she said, you know why

785
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: we picked you and I said, well, yeah, yeah, I

786
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 5: assuming charity says, you're the only rock star that actually

787
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 5: not just Jewish already work organizes. I chair the charity

788
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 5: I've been I did a ride for eighteen years. She said,

789
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 5: people get donate a sign, guitar, they'll do a thing,

790
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 5: but you are one of the few actually runs a

791
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 5: charitable fund, you know, and does something like that. So yeah,

792
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: I got the Harry Chapin Wark for my work. Very cool,

793
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: very proud of that. Yeah, because Harry is amazing. Lak

794
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 5: a massive food bank. It feeds so many people. And

795
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: he started that thing that was a Harry Chapin Foundation, amazing.

796
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: Charity he did, and he found you know, the thing

797
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: that really was astounding to me was that he figured

798
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: out what caused hunger and what caused disease, and it

799
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: was simple poverty.

800
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the rest of his life.

801
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: Add to that.

802
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 5: Lin that like twenty thirty percent, some crazy number of

803
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: people in suburban America need help putting.

804
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: Food on the table.

805
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: You're like, like, like you think suburbia, you think that's

806
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 5: that's an inner city problem or rural problem or other countries.

807
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 4: No, down your own block.

808
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: Harry recognized the problem and that's why Long Island cares.

809
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: Feeding people on Long Island where he grew up, where

810
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: he was from, knowing they were hungry kids going there

811
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: without food, you know, and needed help. Amazing insight because

812
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: we look so far past, we look, Oh, this is

813
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: a problem Africa, over the Ukraine, they're suffering. No, right here,

814
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 5: people are struggling too.

815
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: You know. He wanted to feed the He was like

816
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: you people wanted to fix everybody here so that we

817
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: could go fix everybody there. That's how you're doing and.

818
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: It is oxygen mask on you first, then you can

819
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: help everyone else.

820
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: And Jack will give him a plan to follow.

821
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: That's how easy it is. Yes, that's what he was

822
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: trying to tell us.

823
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Now, what what is one both of you would bankrupt

824
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: yourself for like that? What is one cause you to

825
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: believe in so much that you would take half.

826
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: For kids in orphans? Because you know, if I first

827
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: I found out that I was adopted and I had

828
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: the best parents ever, and I got to meet my

829
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: perth mother, So yeah, I got to I did a

830
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: search for my birth mother. I grew up in Queen

831
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: she was in Staten Island all this time. And the

832
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: beautiful thing is that when I got when I met

833
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: my birth bather, first thing she says is I know

834
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: you're dying to know why I gave you up. And

835
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: I was like, shit, lady, that's an understatement. And she

836
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: said this word, I gave you up to give you

837
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: a chance. And then I looked back at my like

838
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: Eminem and Buster Rohm, Saidee, don't you know if your

839
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: mother never gave you up for you would have never

840
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: been run. Hip hop would have happened. But it was

841
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: destiny that you running Jay would spur the moment and

842
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: put hip hop in the right way. With integrity and positivity.

843
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: He said, the world would be fletely different. So when

844
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: my birth mother said that, I was like, Wow, I

845
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: found my birth mother in Thanksgiving of oh four and

846
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: in Thanksgiving of Old five, I had Thanksgiving with my

847
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: birth mother and my document mother in the saying room.

848
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: Crazy, that's amazing, And that is the most unselfish thing

849
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 5: mother could have done.

850
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, to give you up to have a better life.

851
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: So you know, for me, it's like, you know, it's

852
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 3: like what Harry said, all these people need is opportunity

853
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: and access, and you give them an opportunity, especially you know,

854
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: the kids, you know, whether they have homeless or in poverty,

855
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: you know, whatever they're going through. If you give these

856
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: people an opportunity, they don't just do well, they excel.

857
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: But so many people are stereotype.

858
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: Oh homeless. Homeless is just situation. This situation doesn't define

859
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: who you are. So we gotta got a meal, We

860
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: got a nice space to stay. What is it that

861
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: you want to do? I think Benjamin Franklin had said

862
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: most people just want opportunity for occupation, and what he

863
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: meant by that was, you know, could be a job,

864
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: or could be just I want to be a painter.

865
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: I want to be a designer, this and that. So

866
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: many people are, you know, like with most of the

867
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: young people out of your way, they all want to

868
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: be rappers because they see on the Instagram all the

869
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 3: fakeness of the rented cars and the rented jets. I want.

870
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 5: I watch those empty cribs and I go, they got nothing,

871
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 5: and if there's somep's.

872
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: All one product that was placed in there, and.

873
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 5: On our MTV cribs, you leftovers and there these I

874
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: even got a case of shock fulling Outs coffee because

875
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 5: shock Bownuts saw I had a bag in the refrigerator

876
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 5: case and.

877
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: My god, shock, oh, my goodness.

878
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: All right, my charity.

879
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 5: What I've noticed, lyne is is that we tend to

880
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 5: gravitate towards charities that we have somehow a connection with

881
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 5: in our own lives. And and it makes sense because

882
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 5: there's something we can identify with. One of the first

883
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 5: ones I got Involvo was was the March of Dimes.

884
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: I had two prematurely born children who grew up to

885
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 5: be healthy and everything like that, but you know, they're

886
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 5: not every but so it was it helps children need babies,

887
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 5: It helps babies. And I related to that because at

888
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: the time I sat in at NCU watching my son

889
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 5: and my daughter, my daughter and incubators, my daughter nearly

890
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: dying of pneumonia of a Christmas she was born.

891
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 4: She was born eight.

892
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 5: Weeks early, and my wife had already been in the

893
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: hospital for four months because she was giving birth way

894
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 5: too prematurely. But that's neither here or there. So that

895
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 5: was one of my first children. Babies, they're helpless, they're defenseless.

896
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 5: I've worked with, UH, I worked with you know, for

897
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 5: children with cancer. Uh.

898
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: You know, because they you know, they're the children.

899
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 5: They can't help themselves, right, You know, children can't help themselves.

900
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 5: They're dependent on us and they're they're at our mercy,

901
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 5: whether with their lives, you know, for the children as well,

902
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 5: you know. So when it comes to kids, that's that's

903
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 5: my really my soft spot spot.

904
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys are just the best.

905
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: You know. It's like we we know, we know we

906
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: have our own bloodline children, but we also know that

907
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: it over there could use some love. Yeah, yeah, just

908
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: you know, some assistance. Like even what I'm working with

909
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: the foster kids and adopter kids. Adopting is a huge thing,

910
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: even being the fossil paris of the US thing, but

911
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: of marracoling. A lot of these kids' lives is this

912
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: thing mentorship. Okay, you know you're not adopting, and you're not,

913
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 3: but that's giving a kid. Yo, here's my phone number.

914
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 3: Anytime you need to talk, call me and the kid

915
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: will call.

916
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 5: Yes, time giving your time. Yes, you're giving time back

917
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: to cats in the cradle. It's all about giving some

918
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 5: time to a kid.

919
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: And the kid will go really and you go yeah,

920
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: and then they'll call just if it's serious. And then

921
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: you know, and all you got to do is se yeah,

922
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for you, or I'm calling to see how

923
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: you're doing, and then you're here a month later. Oh

924
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: he's doing here. She's doing so well now with her studies,

925
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: she's going on to college. It's the time. Bruce Lee said,

926
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: you're so Bruce Lee said, time is the most important

927
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: thing for people.

928
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: Wow, you are so right. I have to tell you.

929
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: While you were telling me that story, I just realized

930
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: so many people gave me time. I asked a million

931
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: questions growing up. I also think that's important to ask questions.

932
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 7: You got to hang out with him, Yes, I'm always

933
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 7: but I remember my very first job at a radio

934
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 7: station was w CDJ smooth Jazz, and it had like

935
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 7: ding and you'd hear like seagulls fly by.

936
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: My grandmother and grandfather listen to the channel. And that's

937
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: where I first started working at radio. And our first

938
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: concert was Bobby Caldwell What You Won't Do I Love?

939
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god. So after the show,

940
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm there, I'm working. I get six bucks an hour.

941
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm not even on the air. I'm just playing shows

942
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: that are pre taped on a reel to reel. And

943
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: he came up to me after the show, and he's like, hey, kid,

944
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: I noticed you. You were working hard. He said, what

945
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: do you want to do? And I told him what

946
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. He goes, when I come back

947
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: to Boston to perform again next year, you're going to

948
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: be on the radio. I can just tell I know

949
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: it well.

950
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: And was like, wow, whoa.

951
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: So a year later I got a job doing traffic

952
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: reports and I was on the radio and I went

953
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: back to his concert sat in the front row just

954
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 2: so I could tell him he was right, and thank

955
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: you for making me feel like I could do it.

956
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: Because someone like that telling me that I could do it,

957
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: it was like.

958
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: Hearing that I could do it.

959
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, so thanks for jogging my memory on that.

960
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: So when I asked both of you to come on

961
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: the show to talk about this specifically, de mentioned something

962
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: to me about see if you can find a performance

963
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: that Darryl and I did. Did you perform Cats in

964
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: the Cradle or did you perform Daryl Smith walk this way?

965
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: He didn't walk? Yes, well, that a holiday thing, right,

966
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: it was a corporate gig. And Darryl asked me if

967
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 4: I would sing the Tyler part.

968
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: I was like, I sang this in the clubs forever,

969
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 5: and two of us are very size, with the same

970
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 5: with the same style of performer like Chris Crossing on

971
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 5: that stage.

972
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 4: We were working that shit, right.

973
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I love Tyler, but you and him, you

974
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 5: and me, you and me, man, it was phenomenal.

975
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: I remember I was twenty feet so.

976
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: That my favorite moments.

977
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: That was ten years ago at Madison Square Garden. I

978
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: love the eighties. One question before well two more. One

979
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: is was there anything that you two have ever wanted

980
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: to ask each other? And don't feel bad if you didn't,

981
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: because I'm hitting you on the spot with it, But

982
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: if you did, I wanted to give you an opportunity too.

983
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 5: Uh well, okay, I got two questions for you. May

984
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 5: have nothing from may I got to pay one. Did

985
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 5: you ever see Twisted Sister before you were family? Because

986
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 5: you guys came laughter of us on the Long Island

987
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 5: Clubs or something because it was Chuck d Chuck Dee

988
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 5: has said if there was no Twisted Sister, there'd be

989
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: no public enemy. He used to come see us, and

990
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: it was our defiance, our in your face, our few attitude,

991
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 5: which we had in spades, you know, and he he

992
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 5: saw that and he said that inspired me to put

993
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 5: together a fuck you bank, you know, and so I

994
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 5: was wondering if you because we played Queen's, we played.

995
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: Our friends all saw you. But me having the best

996
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: parents in the world, I was always the curfew kid.

997
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: I was always the kid.

998
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 4: Dude me, dude. I never went to concerts, saw out

999
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: of the house.

1000
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: So I heard about all of this. And then when

1001
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: I got into business, of course, I started seeing all

1002
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: your videos on.

1003
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 4: TV and we would I would sit there and watch.

1004
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: Y'all on TV, and everybody was talking about they just

1005
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: went to the concert. And every time I would sit

1006
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: around and see you on TV, thedeed, that's nothing. We

1007
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: saw love last Saturday or we saw love.

1008
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: So people would always.

1009
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: Rub it in as curious because we're like, I have

1010
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: a question for him, because just like you said, do

1011
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: you get upset being called a glad bandy because Twisted

1012
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: Sister was a badass band of me. I didn't think

1013
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: you're fitting to the cheesy, you know industry. Yeah, it was.

1014
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: It was like y'all, y'all were It was almost like

1015
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 3: it was in your own genres what I'm trying to say,

1016
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: because there was then it was your ten It was metal,

1017
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: and then it was auzing and stuff. Y'all never fit

1018
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: in like I would always get confused saying what d snyper,

1019
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: This motherfucker is a beast? You know what I'm saying?

1020
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 4: Thank you?

1021
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: You wasn't even industry. Y'all just played your music and

1022
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: moved on. Man, So did you ever get hated being

1023
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: considered a class because the clam man means you was

1024
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: just that for that period of time? Y'all motherfuckers was

1025
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: a bad man with some great songs.

1026
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 5: I thank you, I I've I've come, I've really analyze

1027
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 5: this ship.

1028
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1029
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: It's part of it comes with having all your brain

1030
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 4: cells intact. Every this is and this is the truth.

1031
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys know this.

1032
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: Every label applied to every form of music is derogatory,

1033
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 5: and it was not the musicians didn't take the name.

1034
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 4: It was given by critics.

1035
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 5: Yes, jazz, blues, punk, punk, that heavy metal, hair metal.

1036
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 5: All these terms were terms that were given written by

1037
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 5: some writers and oh they are a hair metal bands,

1038
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 5: Oh there, oh there are. Jazz was a derogatory term.

1039
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 5: Punk was not a term that the bands, early, the

1040
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 5: original punk bands, they hated that black Sabbath and led

1041
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 5: Zeppelin a c DC. You don't call themself heavy metal bands.

1042
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 5: They hate you called heavy metal bands. But the people

1043
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 5: embrace the labels. They don't see it as a negative thing.

1044
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: They don't, they don't view it.

1045
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 5: The fans don't see as negative, and I just accept it.

1046
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 5: Hence twenty nine years of doing a radio show called

1047
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 5: the House of Hair. But it's name the show, but

1048
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 5: that's it's it's it's affectionate to the fans. But we

1049
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 5: got the we got those those labels put on us.

1050
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 5: We owe Every music form has hated the label because

1051
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 5: it basically let me it's you. It says that you're

1052
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 5: not oh you're yes, you're not just a musician, you're

1053
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 5: not just an artist. You're oh they're blues and they're

1054
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 5: really trying to define you and limit you. And you know,

1055
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 5: and so many bands have been limited.

1056
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 3: That ground and it wasn't even at fault. So you know,

1057
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: you know that you're the second person in my musical

1058
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 3: career who I have heard say that. Okay, you know

1059
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: what the other person was that I heard say that

1060
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: and was just like you. Ginger Baker, the drummer, the

1061
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: Drama No Ship from queen. I've seen them on this documentary.

1062
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 4: Beware of Ginger Baker.

1063
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: Said to say, he said, it's fucking music, man. I

1064
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: hate when they do that. Ship. They just doing that

1065
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 3: to beat this respectful and I was like, Wow, you're

1066
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: the second artist who fucking knows what they're talking about

1067
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: who have said that that's true. It is.

1068
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: It's limiting.

1069
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 5: It's limiting your audience. It's limiting where how much airplay

1070
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 5: you would get because you're oh, you did. That's why

1071
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 5: MTV was so great, because it had such a cast,

1072
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 5: such a broad deck. They were just looking for a

1073
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 5: visual entity. And uh and so you would you know,

1074
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 5: the exposure for a band like Twist's sister, Yes, and

1075
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: for run Ding MC look with you with with with Arasmith,

1076
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 5: I mean literally the crossover point. But people who weren't

1077
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 5: listening to your genre music got a chance to see

1078
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 5: you and know you a little and appreciate you. Yeah,

1079
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 5: exactly know it was.

1080
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 4: It was an invaluable moment in time, but it's gone.

1081
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: Labels labels can polarize people and making them not want

1082
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: to even see which is why this is what I

1083
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: learned Letterman. The reason why Letterman always put the bands

1084
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: on later in the show. Is because he was afraid

1085
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: if if he put him up front people, if they

1086
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: didn't like that artist or wasn't into that music, they

1087
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: would turn it off. So smart because and also award

1088
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: shows neededly bulls so that they could put it on

1089
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: the award because I remember when remember when they came

1090
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: up with the heavy metal genre, You're.

1091
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 5: Not getting Metallica played and Jeff wrote tall One, that

1092
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 5: first heavy metal.

1093
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: Award of all that.

1094
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that just goes to show you that

1095
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: labels don't work, and it's sort of a metaphor for

1096
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: the world we're living in today, to which I think,

1097
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: you know, you.

1098
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: Have one hundred percent while this division is going on.

1099
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: That's what it does.

1100
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: People are fighting. You're not even that your person, motherfucker

1101
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: you think you're that, And you know what I'm.

1102
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: Saying, that's right, he has spoken.

1103
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: That's why. What's funny, Yeah, what's funny is that's why

1104
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: I love saying I'm the king of Rapid, I'm the

1105
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: king of rock because all the rock was my second question,

1106
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: say king of rock was all of all the rock? X.

1107
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, all of them? You know

1108
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: from Queen a twisted system. To David Bowie, I wanted

1109
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: to be that, but I had a problem. I couldn't

1110
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: sing and I didn't have a band. So hip hop

1111
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: allowed me to steal, I mean, sample all the music

1112
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: of my favorite bands. And I said, I screamed on

1113
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: the King of Rock because we would do press conferences

1114
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: d and Land and the critics and that they would

1115
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: always ask me, excuse me, DMC, where do you think

1116
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: you will be in two years? It's hip hop a fad?

1117
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: Are you gonna die like this going on? I'm eighteen

1118
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: years old. I'm taking it personally, and I'm saying, motherfucker,

1119
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm wouna be the King of Rock. And Elphis is

1120
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: gonna bow when I walk into the room. When I

1121
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 3: step on the stage, Stephen Tyler's gonna hand me to

1122
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: my This is just me crying in my friend.

1123
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 4: So I get it.

1124
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: I get what you When I started screaming the King

1125
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: of Rock, and I would meet people like Heck Williams

1126
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: Junior and bon Jovi and all of rock because they

1127
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: would say, yeah, man, we like what y'all doing. Keep

1128
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: doing what you're doing, because they seen that we was

1129
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: a rebellion against people who was criticism us in US.

1130
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 5: And labeling and yeah, yeah, no, no, I guess why we.

1131
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: And you're speaking of talk shows, Lynn, that's why we

1132
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: put Larry but Melman from the David Leediman Show at

1133
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: the front door of the Rock Roll Hall of Fame

1134
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 3: Museum in the King of Rock video. Member, it's Larry going,

1135
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: you guys can't come in here, this as a rock

1136
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: and roll museum. And I go, what, I'm the King

1137
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: oh Rock and we go into the museum. It was

1138
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: awesomeh and you say, so. We said, I'm gonna give

1139
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: MTV something to show the rock people that don't think

1140
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm legitimate.

1141
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: It's it's just amazing too. Both did you both took risks?

1142
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: You went out there.

1143
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: One other thing I just have to add in there

1144
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: is that Suzette was probably a lot to do with

1145
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: their look, which probably had something to do with why

1146
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: they use the word glamor outfits.

1147
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: Makeup.

1148
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 4: You can't you will not except take.

1149
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: Blame, oh blame, but just why people.

1150
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 5: Know when she met me, so I was inspired by

1151
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 5: the glitter bands of the early seventies, Alice Cooper, David Bowie,

1152
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 5: Slay t Rex all coming out of England, all this stuff.

1153
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: And then stops, yeah.

1154
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was into all that stuff and I

1155
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 5: was doing it really badly. And uh and and since that,

1156
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: she when we started dating, she started she was she

1157
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 5: would like push me to, wow.

1158
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: Try stuff. You go, how might wear some nail push

1159
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 4: we're nail poshe.

1160
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 5: Carey she go, she go, oh, just a little black

1161
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 5: and she puts a black on. Well, black turt the

1162
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 5: purple turt, the blue turts. The red turns to pink,

1163
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 5: and I had pink nails for twenty years. And then

1164
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 5: she said, why don't you wear some lipstick on?

1165
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: No, we're lipstick. I'm okay. She goes, oh, come on,

1166
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: just a little gloss.

1167
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: That little gloss.

1168
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 4: Turns a little beige. By the end, it was bright

1169
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: red lips for twenty years.

1170
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 5: So she kept pushing me to if you gotta do it,

1171
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 5: she said, you gotta take a chance. And when I say, well,

1172
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, I guess you know, it's fun wearing makeup,

1173
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 5: she goes, oh, you don't wear makeup.

1174
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 4: You wear war pasts. Yeah, she says, you're not. And

1175
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 4: I looked at it and it looked like, you know,

1176
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, it's just like anger makeup.

1177
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 5: You know so anyway, but yeah, she's that's responsible.

1178
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: Yes.

1179
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: Then he took a turkey drum and said, I.

1180
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 5: Want to be the best you you could be both. Indeed,

1181
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 5: you ain't pretty at the beginning. I was all, she goes,

1182
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 5: you ain't pretty, get a little healthier.

1183
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: Well besides everything or everyone getting to see you both

1184
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: on Harry Chapin's Cats in the Cradle of The Song

1185
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: That Changed Our Livestock, recently released on Amazon.

1186
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: What else do you two have coming up?

1187
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: Because I've read a few things, but I want to know,

1188
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: you know from your mouth what's going on. I want

1189
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: to start because you're always working on something fun. I

1190
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: know that you both are always. This is why you're

1191
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: you are always. Yeah, you got any new books or

1192
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: singles or.

1193
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: Comic appurrently the fun new music Now at the end

1194
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: of November, Agnostic Front their new album is out now.

1195
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm oh Jane, So I'm on the album on this

1196
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 3: single called Matter of Life and Death Agnostic Front feature

1197
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: in DMC. That's out right now. My second children's book

1198
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: comes out. It's called Darryl's Christmas in Hollis. It's a

1199
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: Christmas story about me growing up. It's for kindergarten in

1200
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 3: fifth grade. But January twenty third, my new single off

1201
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 3: my new upcoming album is called She Gets Me High.

1202
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: It's me and Sebastian Bach on vocals, Travis Barker on drums,

1203
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: Nice Nick Mars who's phenomenal on guitar, and Duff McKagan

1204
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: on bass. So we did a song together in the studio.

1205
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: It's called on Them She Gets Me dropping January twenty third,

1206
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: and then I'll probably put the album out, the album

1207
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 3: of probably hitting in August. I'm still putting the album together,

1208
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 3: but that's what's going on right now. Agnostic Front A

1209
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: Matter of Life and Death, which is out now. You

1210
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 3: could check out the video. Get to single Darryl's Christmas

1211
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: in Hollis and January January twenty third, DMC Sebastian Bach

1212
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: on the mic, Travis bark on drums, Mick on guitar,

1213
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: and Duff on bass, Damn d.

1214
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: When he came to the house, when he came to

1215
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: the studio last year, he showed up at the front

1216
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: door and it was in December twelfth, so we're very

1217
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: close to Christmas and he handed me He's like, hi, oh,

1218
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, and it was a bag of cookies.

1219
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 3: It was just cookies.

1220
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's got the words from Christmas Time and

1221
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: Hollis Queen's on the back of it.

1222
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 4: It's hilarious.

1223
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 3: Darryl. Yeah, DMC also means Darryl makes cookies. You could

1224
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: go to DMC dashcookies dot com and get some DMC

1225
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 3: cookies or give me Christmas cakes.

1226
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: I love it.

1227
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: Now, d I did hear some little rumor or something

1228
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: because what was the name of your last tour, your

1229
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: very last tour with Twisted Sister.

1230
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: It was called what.

1231
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 5: You mean forty in fucking yeah, that was that was

1232
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 5: supposed to be the Bitter End. And it's been ten

1233
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 5: years and this is the I've told this very publicly.

1234
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 5: But okay, the truth I said I would never reunite.

1235
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 5: I don't believe in I think it's bullshit when people

1236
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 5: do that. We sawned in blood and then two years later,

1237
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 5: you know, but I had an hell scare. I'm fine,

1238
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 5: what do you mean? But it got me reflecting, well

1239
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 5: I want till I get into details, but okay, yeah,

1240
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 5: I'm fine, but it maybe reflect a little bit, you know,

1241
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 5: and say, wow, that was scary, and.

1242
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to go out like that. Now do

1243
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 4: I want to go out?

1244
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 5: And I called the guys and said, next year is

1245
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 5: fifty years since we joined forces nineteen seventy six.

1246
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 4: What do you think about doing some shows?

1247
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 5: And the guy said because I told him, never been

1248
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 5: to and they were like, are you serious.

1249
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: Like they couldn't believe what was reaction? I need to know.

1250
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 4: All they had to think about it.

1251
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 5: But Eddie was Eddie and John are like they like

1252
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 5: they never expect to get the call from me.

1253
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 4: They expected to be and they and they neverybody. We

1254
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 4: were getting.

1255
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 5: Constant offers over the last ten years, bigger and bigger offers.

1256
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 4: I just said, not happening, not happening.

1257
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 5: And then I called and so we told we had

1258
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 5: a meeting, we talked about it, and we said.

1259
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 4: All right, let's one more time.

1260
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 5: So the.

1261
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 4: Man so it's not a tour.

1262
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 5: We're doing like twenty thirty shows around the world, big

1263
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 5: festivals and stuff. But yeah, so but then just as

1264
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 5: recent and headline in the Rock Mags was de Steinder says,

1265
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm if I'm brave or stupid.

1266
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 5: Be goes now that I've committed, and how that they

1267
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 5: shows them and announce, oh.

1268
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 4: Damn, I gotta do, I gotta do ninety minutes. I

1269
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 4: mean like, I damn, I gotta get back.

1270
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: And you love it. You could do it.

1271
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 5: I haven't sang like that. Let's like eighteen songs but that.

1272
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 5: But the thing I'm most excited about is I'm directing

1273
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 5: my first movie. I started a new film company called

1274
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 5: Defiance Artists. My first movie, which is called My Enemy's Enemy,

1275
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 5: is gonna go. I'm gonna be directing and the first

1276
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 5: quarter and start pre production in February. So I'm gonna

1277
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 5: be sitting in the director's chair and it's gonna be.

1278
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

1279
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 5: So I'm more I'm always more interested in the new

1280
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 5: thing than the old day. I'm more interested in like

1281
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 5: showing doing something that like I haven't done before.

1282
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1283
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 5: The old thing's great and I'm proud of it and

1284
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 5: it's our history, you know, and I love that.

1285
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 4: But it's to say, yeah, but I wrote this new

1286
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 4: I wrote.

1287
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 5: I wrote a novel and I did and you know,

1288
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 5: it's called Frats and it didn't sell shit, but just

1289
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 5: I did it, it did.

1290
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: It's just saying I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna write it,

1291
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 4: and it came out, it was published. You know, that's the.

1292
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: Thing, finishing, finishing things.

1293
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tie up everything with the cats and cradle.

1294
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: I cheated.

1295
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 4: I cheated, and I fixed the problem.

1296
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 3: Guys.

1297
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 5: Now you fix the problem of time. You build a

1298
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 5: family compound.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask you about that.

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Speaker 2: D dmc d. He has got a compound. He built

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Speaker 2: all his kids for grandkids, houses all in the compound

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Speaker 2: so they can be near each other.

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Speaker 5: We all live together, so we all live so so

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Speaker 5: you know, I try to stay give him the space.

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Speaker 3: You know. That's brilliant.

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Speaker 4: But way more between moments.

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Speaker 5: I mean, my my latest grandson was born. I got

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Speaker 5: a phone call from Shane. He says, she Abby's in labor.

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Speaker 5: She had a midwife on the compound, and like twenty

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Speaker 5: minutes after he was Chillian killing. I called Chilli chill,

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Speaker 5: but Killian was born. This freshly swallowed baby was brought

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Speaker 5: into our house and and like here he is.

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Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit, twenty minutes this is just

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Speaker 4: so warm out of the oven, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's that you can never get to experience

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Speaker 5: something like that right regular life, and you can go

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Speaker 5: to the hospital or visiting hours and everybody's there and

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Speaker 5: you look through the glass and I mean it could

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Speaker 5: so yeah, I cheated, IP all money had on building

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Speaker 5: this place so that we have time together and we're

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Speaker 5: all together.

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Speaker 1: Now, beautiful thing, what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: And I bet Susan's super happy because I know when

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Speaker 2: you have the reality show she wanted to have more kids.

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Speaker 1: The look in your face was like what you like five?

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Speaker 4: Super happy?

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Speaker 5: Except now she has to you know, she's a virgo.

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Speaker 5: She has to decorate everything. So now she's got a

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Speaker 5: compound that has to be finished in detailed And I'm like,

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Speaker 5: oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Daryl, when I went over to that house one time,

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Speaker 2: where's Suseette. Oh she's on the roof power cleaning this.

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Speaker 3: Oh my good single.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I'm not even kidding.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Washington, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well Snyder, Darryl McDaniels. After twenty years apart, this one

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Speaker 2: song brought us back together again. And I'm so grateful.

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Speaker 2: And it's still changing lives and healing families and creators

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Speaker 2: and listeners for the better everywhere. And I just can't

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Speaker 2: thank you both enough for coming on the show and

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Speaker 2: and sharing these personal sides of you that we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: normally get to hear or see and even one day

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Speaker 2: your kids are going to probably hear this, so COURT like, wow,

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Speaker 2: I you know if they haven't heard it before, you know.

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Speaker 3: I want to say shout out to the Chapin family

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Speaker 3: jin all the Yeah. I love y'all. I love him.

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Speaker 5: They still her some buddy, he said, dude, you send

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Speaker 5: me an email. He said, thank you so much for

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Speaker 5: doing the show. Was so great. You was such a

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Speaker 5: great part of it. Blah blah blah. I want to

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Speaker 5: send you a vinyl album of Harry's latest release because

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Speaker 5: he's got you know, somebody, I said, Jason, you know

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Speaker 5: what I said.

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Speaker 1: I hate folk music, said don't down.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I said, I don't even have a stereo.

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Speaker 4: I don't need to listen to music in my house.

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Speaker 5: I don't, But I said, yeah, I said, I said,

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Speaker 5: there's somebody else who's better served with this record.

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Speaker 3: So I said, want to compound you put a little

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Speaker 3: basket all folk music for d m C. That Snider

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Speaker 3: has to felt it through him to be.

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Speaker 4: I love I afforded to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, for those of you sticking around to listen to

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Speaker 2: this conversation, thank you so much. You can stream cats

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Speaker 2: in the Cradle the Song That Changed Our Lives on

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Speaker 2: Amazon Prime. And you can support the chap and Families

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Speaker 2: Mission y Hunger dot org, which is an incredible organization

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Speaker 2: as you heard on the show. And and this Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: put the phones and screens down and look up and

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Speaker 2: be the parent your kids remember us.

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Speaker 1: And Happy Thanksgiving and.

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Speaker 5: Happy Thanksgiving, Lynn, Happy Thanksgiving, Darryl, Happy Thanksgiving, Buzz, Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: Willie in the back there, Sody are working too hard, brother,