1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. You're listening to the 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: noon and five pm Eastern on Applecarklay and Android Auto 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: with the Bloomberg Business App. Listen on demand wherever you 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: get your podcasts, or watch us live on YouTube. 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: It's already been a very busy, very newsy day, even 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: though Congress is out of session and we are now 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: on day thirteen of the government shutdown. It's geopolitics taking hold, 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: of course, with the President's journey to Israel, the release 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: of the hostages that did take place today on a 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: remarkable and historic day here in the Middle East, the 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: President speaking with world leaders to declare the war in 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: Gaza is over. That part may have yet to be confirmed, 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: with big questions about the twenty point Plan now as 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: we move into phase two of that plan. Today, though, 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: was about good feelings and of course reuniting the hostages 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: with their families. President Trump spoke a bit earlier, we 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: took this live on Bloomberg Listen. 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: This is the day that people across the region and 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: around the world have been working, striving, hoping and praying 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: for They have done things over the last month that 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: I think were really unthinkable. Nobody thought this could happen. 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: With the historic agreement we've just signed, those prayers of 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: millions have finally been answered. 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: Helping us cover this remarkable day. Life from Jerusalem is 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Europe correspondent Oliver Crook, and he's back with us now. 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: This journey, Oliver is over. It was not even a 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: full day for President Trump. But of course the feelings 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 2: in Israel remain with great optimism going forward. 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: What are you hearing on the ground. 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely well, Joshually, what I'm hearing right now is 32 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 5: a sound of prayer and chanting in the streets of 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 5: Jerusalem at the end of the Jewish holiday here and 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: I don't know if you can hear it behind me, 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 5: but you know, coming very fortuitously at the end of 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: what has been a more than two year process here 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 5: in the beginning of the war on October the seventh, 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 5: and as you say, Joe, I mean this day began 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 5: with twenty hostages still in Hamas custody. Throughout the course 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 5: of the day, they came back. They've been repatriated to Israel. 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 5: They've been reunited with their loved ones at the very 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 5: same time after that began happening. That began the release 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 5: of more than a thousand Palestinian prisoners that had been 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: taken over the last two years, but some that were 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 5: also convicted for a great many crimes. This is one 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 5: of the more bitter pills that the Israelis had to swallow, 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 5: was the release of two hundred and fifty of these 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 5: criminals back into population, which is of course what happened 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: with Hinye, with mister Sinhwar, the former head of Hamas 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 5: Kyakya Sinhwar, he had once been a prisoner, he had 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 5: been released, and then he was the architect of that 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 5: October seventh. So that comes with some of the fraughtness 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 5: behind the scenes and what is otherwise a very sort 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 5: of joyous day here in Israel. And of course the 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 5: second phase of this, the second chapter of this began 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 5: just as you saw with the President of the United 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 5: States really assembling all of these world leaders together to 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: try to have discussions about the very difficult next steps, 59 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 5: which have to do everything with the security protocol that 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 5: will be in Gaza in the months to come, how 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 5: to stabilize that what these sort of status of hamasas 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 5: their willingness to disarm, their willingness to potentially surrender. Part 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 5: of the twenty point plan is that amnesty would be 64 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 5: granted to them, and of course then establishing that governing 65 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 5: structure to try to get stability, and of course the 66 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: big question of how do you rebuild a territory that 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 5: has been so fundamentally decimated. These are going to be 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 5: the copics that will be discussed for the coming months, 69 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 5: and of course the key partnerships will be there with 70 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 5: all of those leaders we just saw. We should say 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 5: that there were really four leaders that were put into 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 5: prominence that got my attention there, and really four flags 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: that really were flying in that big signing room. It 74 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 5: was Turkey, it was Katar, it was the United States, 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 5: and it was Egypt. I think that really the significant 76 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 5: player that came a little bit out of the dark 77 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 5: was Turkey here with President Erdawan playing a massive role 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: in exerting some of that pressure that was required on 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 5: Hamas to bring them to the table and bring this 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 5: peace agreement to conclusion. 81 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: Really interesting, just quickly, Oliver, because we're going to be 82 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: posing a number of these questions to Hagar Shamali in 83 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: our Washington studio in just a moment, I want to 84 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: ask you about the remains of hostages. Those living hostages 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: have been freed, but if the twenty eight remaining twenty 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: six are reportedly dead, the fate of two others unknown. 87 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: Hamas had said that they were unable to find them 88 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: all by the seventy two hour deadline because of the 89 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: destruction in Gaza. What will happen from here with the 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: rest of these hostages and remains being returned to families, 91 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: So that. 92 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 5: Will be an ongoing process to try to locate the remains. 93 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 5: I think that there was some understanding obviously on the 94 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 5: Israeli side, which is why this was not going to 95 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 5: cause a sort of fatal blow to this peace agreement. 96 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 5: But you know, there are some questions about, you know, 97 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 5: where the remains of these hostages are, because they are 98 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 5: of course being held also by people that potentially Hamas 99 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 5: can no longer get access to. Potentially they were in 100 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 5: a structure that collapsed or that sort of thing. So 101 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 5: I think the process for trying to locate the remains 102 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 5: of many of these osages is going to be ongoing, 103 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 5: but wasn't going to be enough to sort of torpedo 104 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 5: this entire undertaking that came into being over the last 105 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 5: couple of weeks. 106 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Oliver Crook putting in a long day for us. Oliver, 107 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: thank you, Bloomberg, you're a correspondent live in Jerusalem. As 108 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: we add the voice of the aforementioned Huggar Shamali, former 109 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: director for Syria and Lebanon On the National Security Council CEO, 110 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: founder of Greenwich Media Strategies, who has been a very 111 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: important voice in our coverage since the attacks that took 112 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: place on October seven. 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 4: Hagard, it's great to see you. Welcome back. 114 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 6: Thank you. 115 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 2: I appreciate it that you even have I'm so glad 116 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: that you're with us, of all days, I don't even 117 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: want to start with a question for you other than 118 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: what are you thinking right now? 119 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, I'm overjoyed. I feel a sense of relief, 120 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 7: and I feel a sense of, by the way, immense 121 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 7: pride to see the United States and President Trump really 122 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 7: be the leader in brokering this deal. That's the role 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 7: the United States often plays in bringing an end to war. 124 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 6: I do believe that this is an end of the war. 125 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 7: Might not necessarily mean an end to conflict sometimes, but 126 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 7: it's a significant step. Seeing those hostages being released and 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 7: reunited with their families is just gives me goosebumps. 128 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 4: Remarkable way your energy is contagious. 129 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: So from here, how do the parties so we just 130 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: saw celebrating this moment make this a lasting piece? 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: How do you get through the second phase? 132 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 7: Sure, you know it's I don't want to underestimate the 133 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 7: importance of having all of those leaders that we saw 134 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 7: standing behind President Trump. And it's not just regional leaders, 135 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 7: who had leaders from around the world. You even had 136 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 7: the UN Secretary General, who President Trump has attacked numerous times. 137 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 7: Everybody coming together for this and that speaks volumes. But 138 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 7: also the fact is that there were a lot of 139 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 7: factors here that brought us to this day in a 140 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 7: way that none of us could have foreseen. And what 141 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 7: I mean by that, first, first and foremost is you 142 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 7: have Trump himself who really pursues this piece through strength 143 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 7: and this approach. And you see that, for example, when 144 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 7: he gave a threat to Hamas, he said that basically, 145 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 7: this was the last time I'm going to do this. 146 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 7: If you don't agree to this, I am going to 147 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 7: allow Israel to eliminate you once and for all. A 148 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 7: threat that Hamas took very credibly. At the same time, 149 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 7: he was able to have to exert this immense amount 150 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 7: of pressure on it in yahou especially following the strike 151 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 7: on Katar, which ended up being a tactical error on 152 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 7: the part of Israel, and so that law also allowed 153 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 7: him to do that. So when you have that pressure 154 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 7: that he was able to exert on both and then 155 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 7: bringing in all these partners where Kutar and Turkey have 156 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 7: to now bring you know, they have to live up 157 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 7: to their end of the bargain, and it continued the 158 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 7: pressure on Hamas. All of that is going to bring 159 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 7: to bear the fruit of this of this steel and 160 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 7: hopefully the progress we're going to see throughout the negotiations. 161 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: It's really interesting reporting by Axios that this came together 162 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: in a meeting last Wednesday with Witkoff and Jared Kushner, 163 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: who sat down with officials from Hamas, at least the 164 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: political officials who were targeted in that attack, and cut 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: to address a question once the hostages are released, what 166 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: says Benjamin that Nyah who doesn't continue to bomb and 167 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: shell Gaza continue the fighting. It took Kushner and Witkoff 168 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: to say on behalf of the president that we assure 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: you that will not happen in the end is Jared Kushner. 170 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: The person we should thank for this moment. 171 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 7: Well, Jared definitely played a significant role, that's for sure. 172 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 7: And I can tell you through my experience in government 173 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 7: and also now, the value of outside players can be 174 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 7: very significant. Yes, And because when you play a role 175 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 7: in track two efforts, for example, often it's called track 176 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 7: two or track one point five, where you've got people 177 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 7: on the outside who support a government's piece efforts. The 178 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 7: beauty of those individuals that they often have, they have 179 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 7: a lot more freedom of what they can do, what 180 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 7: they can say, how they can travel, They can do 181 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 7: it under the radar, and then all of a sudden 182 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 7: at the end they appear. And so I without a 183 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 7: doubt from everybody I speak to and everyone everything I know, 184 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 7: he played a very heavy role in pushing this deal 185 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 7: across the finish line. Obviously has a lot of relationships 186 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 7: and contacts in the Middle East. He remains through his 187 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 7: businesses and so on. But again, that pressure, it's it 188 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 7: takes pressure on both sides, and it always does, and 189 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 7: it takes very determined and stubborn leadership and that you 190 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 7: have coming from President Trump himself. 191 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: What happens to Benjaminett and Yahoo? 192 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: Noteworthy, he did not go to Egypt, by the way, 193 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: and of course I realized that the timing and he 194 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: would have been flying back at night with the holiday. 195 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: This is an issue for him, presuming he would have 196 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: gone otherwise. But that said, it's been suggested that his 197 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: political career could now be over now that the war 198 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: has ended. 199 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 200 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 7: It'd be too It's too early to say, to be 201 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 7: honest with you, because there, you know, we have to 202 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 7: see how things are going on on the ground because Israelis, 203 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 7: a majority of Israelis are very upset at Ninta Yahoo. 204 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 6: You know. 205 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 7: Trump last week tried to say, oh, Nita Yahoo, you 206 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 7: know over a call apparently, he said, and now everybody 207 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 7: can like you again, and now you know, this is 208 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 7: something for you as well. And he was saying that 209 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 7: because Trump and the the United States in general, regardless 210 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 7: of administration, believes you're deeply in Israel and it's in 211 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 7: its long term security. 212 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 6: I don't know. 213 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 7: So I don't know that the majority of Israelis are 214 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 7: going to be so quick to forget that they had 215 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 7: to turn to Trump to help them on hostages. So 216 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 7: that was something very a big shift we saw happen 217 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 7: this year. So it could be over, but it's too 218 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 7: soon to say because he's had a remarkable twenty years 219 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 7: where he's been able to coalesce coalitions, survivor. Yes, you 220 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 7: do see other leaders in the right wing, people like 221 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 7: f Tally Bennett and others, trying to make their way. 222 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 6: I mean, is not going to be there for ever, 223 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 6: that's for sure. 224 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: Well, and they had the President of the United States 225 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: today during a news conference, suggests to President Hertzog that 226 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: net Nyahu be pardoned. I don't know if that's ever 227 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: happened with a president on foreign soil making a remark 228 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: like that. 229 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: But we don't think that's going to happen, do we. 230 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't. I don't think that. 231 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: You know, serious investigation still, he. 232 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 7: Faces very serious corruption investigations, and if he weren't in 233 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 7: public office, he'd be sitting in a courtroom right now 234 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 7: on some kind of trial. Yes, a lot of that 235 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 7: was all of it was put on hold because of 236 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 7: his return to office. So he's definitely been motivated by 237 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 7: that in terms of his own decision making. 238 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 6: Again, but the request for a pardon. 239 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 7: While that is not typical of US president to make 240 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 7: on in foreign land, it's also not surprising at this point. 241 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 4: No, really, nothing is. 242 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 6: Yes, we become used. 243 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 4: Could you have imagined this day to begin with? With 244 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 4: everything we just saw? 245 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: You've got Kere Starmer standing behind him, Emmanuel mac crone's 246 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: walking around, just the optics. Here is the president's riffing 247 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: at the mic like he's at a Dean Martin roast 248 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: or something. It's just absolutely not what anyone had envisioned. 249 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 7: No, and don't forget the Europeans just recognized the Palstine 250 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 7: States just weeks ago. Yes, and the US was not 251 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 7: happy about it. And now you've got those leaders behind Trump, 252 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 7: and that's because they can all get together. 253 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: Behind this rebuilding. 254 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: Oliver mentioned this, The idea of rebuilding Gaza is daunting. 255 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: It's rubble. 256 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: It looks like the surface of the moon is as 257 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: we have suggested, How do you do that without removing 258 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: all of this rubble? 259 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 4: Do you build on top of it? 260 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: Can you rebuild Gaza without moving millions of people at 261 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: a time? 262 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 7: Well, so listen, you know, I hope I don't sound 263 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 7: desensitized to war because I've worked on a lot of wars. 264 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 7: But this, this kind of rubble is not new. If 265 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 7: you look at Syria, if you look at Sudan, if 266 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 7: you look at Eastern Congo. I mean, this is this 267 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 7: is an unfortunate part of war. 268 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: So what's the playbook. 269 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 7: Well, it's also not new to have reconstruction. That rubble 270 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 7: is pushed to the side. Sometimes the rubble, by the way, 271 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 7: is used for other way, maybe for example, to build 272 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 7: a peer. 273 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 6: There are many ways. 274 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 7: I mean, you saw it in Lebanon, for example, after 275 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,239 Speaker 7: the war, a lot of the rubble was eventually moved. 276 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 6: Used to build other things, and then some things were restored. 277 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 7: It just depended on the building, It depended on the item. Yes, 278 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 7: the fact is that most of the of the Gazan 279 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 7: population is already displaced. The ideal is to have them 280 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 7: in a situation where they're not intense, you know, in 281 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 7: something that's so miserable and such a nightmare, something that 282 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 7: is a bit sturdier while the rest of it is reconstructed. 283 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 6: But that is common, it is and it is going 284 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 6: to happen. 285 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: Should the World Food Program and other providers have unfettered 286 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: access to Gaza. Now, how do you get the food 287 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: and the gas to where it's going. 288 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 7: It can never be unfettered, unfortunately, and the reason for 289 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 7: that is because it is it's you still have the 290 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 7: threat to run amas and other gangs that could loot 291 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 7: or take advantage of that aid. 292 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 6: Oh, they could either. 293 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 7: Steal it for themselves, hide it, they could sell it 294 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 7: at inflated prices unfortunately. And you also have to make 295 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 7: sure that weapons and such aren't being smuggled in in 296 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 7: the middle of a truck. That's not uncommon unfortunately in 297 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 7: situations like this. So it is, it does, it can't 298 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 7: be unfettered. But that said, when you don't have an 299 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 7: active war zone, a lot more can go in at 300 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 7: a rapid pace. 301 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: Okay, fascinating what's next for the president once he comes home. 302 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: We've had a sort of celebration day today and this 303 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: is remarkable to witness all of it. But the business 304 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: really kicks and tomorrow with keeping this intact. Will the 305 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: President be involved on a daily basis or is there 306 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: a Hagar Shamali in this White House is going to 307 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: have this portfolio working with the Secretary of State? 308 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 4: How is it maintained from here? 309 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 6: So I like that you mentioned that so. 310 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: Funny it happened already. 311 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 7: Well, so that's unfair. So there are two things I 312 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 7: would say to that. So the first is the first 313 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 7: is yes, you are right. The real business. They're going 314 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 7: to roll up their sleeves and the real business takes 315 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 7: place to achieve the future phases of this steal. And 316 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 7: it's really where they're going to get into the hardest 317 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 7: part of these questions, for example, who governs Gaza and 318 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 7: how how do we fashion that entity, who's part of 319 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 7: that entity, and who decides what that entity is made 320 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 7: up of the disarmament of Hamas this is the biggest 321 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 7: sticking point. This is the one that Hamas has been 322 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 7: the most vague about. And I don't mean to be naive, 323 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 7: I absolutely intend. I absolutely expect that if Hamas agrees 324 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 7: to the future phases of the steal, that they will 325 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 7: try to work around it and still rearm. But that 326 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 7: doesn't mean that it needs to be a return to war. 327 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 7: When you have situations like that in the Middle East, 328 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 7: and you've had other syst casefires that are similar. Lebanon 329 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 7: is a good example of that. Is all responds with 330 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 7: precision strikes, with counter insurgency operations, and yet ceasefires still hold, 331 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 7: So I don't see there is real there's a real 332 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 7: reason to believe that we don't have to return to 333 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 7: the wars, what I want to say. So they're going 334 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 7: to work on the nitty gritty of all those phases. 335 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 7: Steve Woodkoff and team are going to be very busy 336 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 7: over the next few months. So that's that piece. On 337 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 7: the other piece though, because you asked, you know what's next? 338 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 7: Apparently President of Zelenski is coming to the White House 339 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 7: on Friday, So next. 340 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 4: Deal, I guess. 341 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: Indeed with regard to Israel, though last question, is it 342 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: possible for the IDF to dismantle the rest of the 343 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: tunnel network without breaking the ceasefire? 344 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: Sure? 345 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 7: Well this and again look at Lebanon as a good 346 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 7: example of this. Lebanon and Israel have had a ceasefire 347 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 7: since November. You had an escalation, they ended in a 348 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 7: ceasefire and it has held until now. That said Israel continues. 349 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 7: It strikes in Lebanon and you don't hear about it 350 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 7: in the press every day, but it's happening often. They 351 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 7: are very precise, very targeted against missile arsenals and against 352 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 7: has Ball of leadership or commanders or operators. 353 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 6: That's what that's the best case. 354 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 7: Realistic scenario that you could see here where there's still 355 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 7: going to be efforts to ensure that Hamas doesn't move weapons, 356 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 7: get more weapons, build out a tunnel network. Now Israel 357 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 7: can with intelligence and so on, they can see that. 358 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 7: And don't get me wrong, each side is still going 359 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 7: to use points of leverage that they have to try 360 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 7: and make the other side. 361 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 6: Blink or move first. 362 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 7: For example, Hamas still has the deceased hostages. Israel is 363 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 7: not withdrawing all the way for the first phase. It's 364 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 7: something like fifty or fifty three percent of the way. 365 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 7: So there are still these side points of leverage that 366 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 7: each side have that are going to have to be 367 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 7: used to get all the way there. 368 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: Got it. 369 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you could come in today, Hagar Shamali 370 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: with the seminar as always on this day the hostages 371 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: are released. What a remarkable moment to share with you. 372 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: Greenwich Media Strategies has a lot of experience in this field, 373 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: as you know you've heard from Hagar a lot. Former 374 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: Director Siri eleven on the National Security Council at the 375 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: White House. Many thanks to Hagar Shamali as we'll look 376 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: back on this day as one of significance. The question 377 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: is what happens from here, as we've been discussing, and 378 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: we want to bring in our political panel with their 379 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: thoughts on that. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeanie 380 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: Shanzano are with us. Rick is our Republican strategist and 381 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: partner at Stone Court Capital and Genie, of course democracy 382 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: and visiting fellow at Harvard Kennedy School's Ash Center. Why 383 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: don't you pick up the conversation from here, Genie, because 384 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: the idea of maintenance, the idea of the business that 385 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: must be done after the cameras turnaway and Air Force 386 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: one is back here in Washington will be a very 387 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: complex series of challenges. 388 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 4: Is this administration up to it? It will? 389 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 8: I mean, it's going to depend on how engaged they 390 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 8: are going forward. And certainly we know the administration has 391 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 8: a lot on their hands and on the table domestically 392 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 8: as well. And of course, as you just mentioned, they've 393 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 8: also got this war in Ukraine and a meeting with 394 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 8: Zelensky on Friday. But that said, you know, I think 395 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 8: we heard I think right before the President spoke when 396 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 8: we heard from the President of Egypt CECI. He said 397 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 8: something about closing a painful chapter in human history, certainly true, 398 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 8: and a commitment to a two state solution for the 399 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 8: Palestinian and Israeli people. And I underscore that because he 400 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 8: said that right before President Trump got up to speak, 401 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 8: And that is something that we have heard that the 402 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 8: Israeli government as it is now, as it is now 403 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 8: put together, and as it is now obviously facing elections, 404 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 8: so it could change, they have firmly rejected that notion 405 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 8: from the start of this war. So I think as 406 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 8: we think about what's going to happen going forward, we 407 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 8: have to remember how far apart these two people and 408 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 8: groups are. And it is not just Hamas and the 409 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 8: Israeli government, it is also the Arab nations that have 410 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 8: joined together with the president in terms of finding a 411 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 8: way forward. 412 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: And so there is. 413 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 8: A long way to go here. I share how Gar's 414 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 8: great excitement for the day, but I also think we 415 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 8: need to be very cautious. The President is taking a 416 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 8: victory lap, he deserves it, but there is a long 417 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 8: way to go here. When you hear the main partner, 418 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 8: the president of Egypt, talk about a two state solution. 419 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: Well, that's really interesting, Jeanie rick I asked Hagar as 420 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: well about Benjamin ett Yah, who is political future once 421 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: we're into phase two, assuming that this cease fire continues, 422 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: what will be his political reality at home? 423 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting that President Trump 424 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 9: turned to the President of Israel and said, hey, how 425 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 9: about a pardon for this guy? 426 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 4: He knows something about partners. 427 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 9: But I do think that that is a significant distraction 428 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 9: to the rebuilding of Gaza into the completion of the 429 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 9: peace agreement. In other words, good news, war's over killing 430 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 9: Gustav by and large, and Israel will be able to 431 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 9: return to some level of normalcy. There won't be sitting 432 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 9: in air raid shelters all night long. And and knowing 433 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 9: the Israeli people, they're going to want to talk politics. 434 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 9: They're going to want to find out what's the future 435 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 9: of Israel. And as I looked at the coverage of 436 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 9: the President's speech to the Kanesset, you can see a 437 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 9: dozen potential candidates for Prime minister sitting around applauding. 438 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: You know, because this actually. 439 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 9: Unleashes a new era of Israeli life, which is a 440 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 9: return to the hyper political interests of the people there 441 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 9: in a post nit Yahoo future. I don't think anybody 442 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 9: really believes that after this there's a role for bb 443 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 9: Nityaho as a future leader of Israel. Post this agreement. 444 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 9: He'll get credit for this agreement, he'll get credit for security, 445 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 9: but at this point they'll be looking across for new leadership. 446 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: Is that how you see it? 447 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 8: You? 448 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 2: In lieu of all pardon what could be next for 449 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: benjamintye who? 450 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 8: Yeah, that was quite a moment when the President Trump 451 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 8: said that today about why don't you pardon this guy? 452 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 8: And the look on Benjamin Netanyev, who's face was priceless. 453 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 8: I think that Benjamin Netanyah who is facing and we've 454 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 8: always known he was facing very serious challenges at home. 455 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 8: I mean, look before October seventh, the large scale demonstrations 456 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 8: on the street in Israel. After October seventh, the focus 457 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 8: was on you know, retribution, getting the hostages back. There's 458 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 8: a lot of anger in Israel, understandably so that the 459 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 8: feeling that Benjamin etaw who could have made this deal 460 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 8: long before and did not do that, and the polls 461 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 8: are reflecting that. That said Benjamin Netanyaho, who describes himself 462 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 8: I think rightly so As maybe the most liberal member 463 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 8: of this coalition, and he's a conservative guy. I think 464 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 8: speaks volumes about how divided the Israeli government and the 465 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 8: Israeli people are, and I think his future depends an 466 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 8: awful lot on what we see happen in Gaza and 467 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 8: in the West Bank. Again, I go back to the 468 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 8: fact Israel had committed to getting the hostages back that 469 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 8: is now done, but to destroying Hamas and absolutely a commitment, 470 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 8: commitment to no Palestinian state. The President Egypt others are 471 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 8: suggesting otherwise on those last two fronts, and Hamas already 472 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 8: active on the streets of Gaza city, so that is 473 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 8: going to put a whole new level of concern there. 474 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 8: How do you get a political and a security force 475 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 8: in there that can keep us moving forward to the 476 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 8: phase two? That is really going to be a challenge, 477 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 8: And if Benjamin Nettanyahu is able to maintain his position 478 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 8: going forward, it's likely going to be because they are 479 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 8: once again at war with Hamas. 480 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: Fascinating conversation with Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis. I want 481 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 2: to thank you both for staying for a little bit 482 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: of overtime here. We wanted to hear the President speak, 483 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: and get some time for all of the dust to 484 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: settle here, capping a very brief trip to the region, 485 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: Israel and Egypt back in his own bed this evening 486 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: in the White House. Thanks for listening to the Balance 487 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: of Power podcast. Make sure to subscribe if you haven't already, 488 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: at Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and 489 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: you can find us live every weekday from Washington, DC 490 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: at Noontimeeastern at Bloomberg dot com.