1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, let me state this publicly, and you know 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: you can start the argument with me if you want. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: But for a vehicle to be out of alignment to 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: the point that it's causing a drift, it's way out 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: of alignment. I mean something is severely cocks the car Doctor. 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: Let's get over to Anna in Iowa, who has the 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: answer to the dual quand question for barrel carburetors. Wham, 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: how do you know that answer? Did you used to 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: drive a car that? Welcome to the radio home of 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: ron and Anian the Car Doctor, since this is where 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: are open, but I am here to take your calls 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: at eight five in a hundred and now running. Where 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: to begin? Uh? You know where to begin? I have 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: two great repairs of the week this week, and I'm 18 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: worn out. So that's how you know it's gonna be 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: a good show, because I'm tired from the two cars. 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: We had a ten four f one fifty in the 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: shop this week, dropped in unannounced and that's okay, We'll 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: take it. Uh good. A son of a good customer, 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: actually a son of somebody went to high school with 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: shows you how old I am. Now their kids are 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: coming to me. And Ryan was out with his dad. 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: They were out in South Dakota at a family event, 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: a memorial to Tom's dad, Um Gordon, who who actually 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: worked for as a kid. So it shows you how 29 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: old I'm getting I must be getting old. And on 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: the way back, it popped down a check engine light, 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: this F one fifty and they had no driveability issues. 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Have just had a check engine light on and they 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: needed to get it resolved. So on my doorstep I 34 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: found at this past Monday, and that's okay. Diagnosis said 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: that it had a fault in the e g R circuit. 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Now this has an E and that's not I'm not squeaking. 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: That's an e g R valve. It's an electronic e 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: g R valve. Because Ford decided, since they couldn't make 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: a vacuum control d g R valve, they would make 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: the problem that much worse and make something electrical because 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna go wrong with that. And I'm telling you 42 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the next big problem for Ford 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: Motor Company. You can see it coming a mile away. 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: So diagnosis of the of the three codes led me 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: to one particular fault that would return on a key 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: on engine off basis, which means it's a circuit fault, 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: all right, P zero O F two or O f a. 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: I think it was O f a, oh four f a. 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, P zero O four f a. And it 50 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, right, Like why don't we get 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: away from I really like to talk to the engineer, 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: the genius that why do we get away from using 53 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: all numbers to now it's numbers and letters? Even the 54 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: guys I was talking to technical support, I had calling 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: a couple of techlines, a couple of techlines looking for 56 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: informations because nobody had the correct information. Ford does not 57 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: have the correct information on this truck. I'm not kidding, 58 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: all right. It got down to where and I'm not 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: a fan of float charts, you know, a step by 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: step through this, Do this, do this, do this because 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: there are things there that you have to think outside 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: the box on. But they're good to read because you 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: can get a specification on what number we're looking for, 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: what what resistance value? What what current value, what voltage 65 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: reading we're looking for? And you can see that, you know, 66 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: what's the engineers sort of thinking or trying to think. 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: I don't get what's wrong with this truck. In terms 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: of the way they wrote the float chart. It was 69 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: a k D pinpoint test. And if anybody wants to go, 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: take the time and look it up. All data Mitchell 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: or Ford's website, they all say the same thing. Get 72 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: down to test k D eight. K D eight talks 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: about you want to all mountain. You know, there's reasons 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't like ohming, but sometimes you have to that. 75 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: You have to o mount pins worn five on this 76 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: electric e g R valve the e g e g 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: R e g R. We can make that a contest. 78 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Say that four times fast. And you're looking for a 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: resistance value. According to one of the flow chart test results, 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: you're looking for a resistance value of two to three 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: homes roughly. I think it's two point two to two 82 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: point nine olms two to three ohms. Anything outside that 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: boxes a bed e g R change it okay, And 84 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to verify that, so I I referenced the techline. 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: I called up tech support and Chris went through it 86 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and he found on the Ford website same thing at 87 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: k D pinpoint test for this particular vehicle, step number eight. 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: K D eight said the reference voltage has to be 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: somewhere between one and nine homes. That's pretty wide scale. 90 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: Um that did I miss a step here somewhere? And 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: I went back and I looked again, and I said, no, 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: I I got here. I did this. This. This is 93 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: what I hate flow charts for. Just tell me what 94 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: the number is, tell me what I'm looking for. Of course, 95 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: on the k D float chart that registered one to ms, 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: and I think I think the engineer made this number 97 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: up out of his head. Uh. If you read seven 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: steps later, then they tell you to change the e 99 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: g R valve based on no particular value or measurement. 100 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: Just at that point you m have to try it 101 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: everything else. I put a need g R valvet in anyway, 102 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: long story short, I put an e g R valvet 103 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: and the truck is fixed. The new valve, by the way, 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: measured ten oms, so I guess it would have come 105 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: under the It would have come under the second rating 106 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: of one to nin, but not under the first rating 107 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: of two to three. Maybe that new valve is bad. 108 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I what are they thinking. It's not 109 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: just a rant, you know somewhere, and this shows you 110 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: the problem in order repair on why it's so hard 111 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: to get a car fixed sometimes because you really have 112 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: to think outside the box of normalcy Somewhere. I told Ryan, 113 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: in about two years, I'm gonna be reading technical bulletins 114 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: in my spare time at three o'clock in the morning, 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna come across a bulletin that talks about 116 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: the KD pinpoint test for an eighteen and up related 117 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: F one e g R valve circuit test has been 118 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: modified to reflect some production change on e g R valves, 119 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: and I, you know, the information we have is always outdated. 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's always behind the times. It's always 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: changing and evolving as the car changes. Because the car 122 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: is changing so fast, nobody can keep up, not even 123 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: the manufacturer. And I just keep thinking to myself, then 124 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: why are we making them more complicated on a daily basis? 125 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: It makes no sense. You're just you know, we can't 126 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: design what we have now to be fixed properly. And 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: now we're about to bring on even more technically advanced 128 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: involved electronic electric vehicles. It really makes me wonder what 129 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna be driving in ten years and how we're 130 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: gonna be fixing them, because I don't know that we're 131 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: gonna be able to We can't fix what we have. 132 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: I talked to somebody at the local Ford dealer, at 133 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: the Ford dealer level, and I loved his comment. He said, Ron, 134 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: we find now this is the dealer, right, you know, 135 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: the dealers, and again it's just to repair shop with 136 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: people in it, and nearly as good as the people 137 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: in it. And they're they're basing it on what the 138 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: information they get from their manufacturer. Whether it's it's it's 139 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: the Ford symbol of Chevy, bow Tie, a Toyota, a Honda, whatever, 140 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And this gentleman said to me, Ron, 141 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: it gets to the point where in some of these vehicles, 142 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: we get to that mark and you have to take 143 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: a guess, You have to take a stand because you 144 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: can't find enough information to justify what it is you're 145 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: about to do. Let that sink in for a minute. 146 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know. It's not like you can look 147 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: at it and go, well, let's see the points are burnt. 148 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: There's a hot at the one side of the coil. 149 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: There's no pulse at the negative. It's a bad set 150 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: of points or a condenser. And we changed that and 151 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: we're done. We're playing with electronics. We're playing with electrical 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: that the engineers are changing the specs on or so. 153 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: It seems that it just makes everything that much harder 154 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: to resolve. In the end, Ryan's truck is fixed. He's 155 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: back home in New Hampshire today. He's probably listening to 156 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: the show up there. He said he would Hi, Ryan, 157 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: hope he made I hope you had a good rod 158 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: and um. One of the last things he asked me 159 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: to do is change the oil. Now. You know, if 160 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: if if solving the unsolvable e g R valve wasn't 161 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: bad enough, if the engineer that wrote the pinpoint test 162 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: for the flow chart of an e g R valve, 163 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: the electronic the e e g R valve on this 164 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: A ten f one fifty wasn't bad enough, I want 165 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: to meet the genius that designed the location of the 166 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: oil filter on this two point seven leader Ford engine 167 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: they you know, for years I've been saying, hey, let's 168 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: put the oil filter right up top where it's easier 169 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: to get to you know what, maybe somebody listened to me, 170 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Probably not, but my ego right that check and say, okay, 171 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: maybe they were listening to me. Maybe they were listening 172 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: to all of you out there that say the same thing. 173 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: Why can't they put the oil filter up top where 174 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: it's easy to get to? They did too bad. The 175 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: genius decided to put the serpent team belt right underneath it. 176 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: So no matter how careful you are when you take 177 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: you unscrew the top for the oil. It's a cartridge style. 178 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: You unscrew the top and you put a rag underneath 179 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: the filter, just trying to and you you try to 180 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: draw out and let it drain, and no matter how 181 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: careful you are, you're still going to get a drop 182 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: of oil on the serpent team belt. You know, that 183 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: rubber thing that drives all the components up in the 184 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: front of the engine, the one that the first thing 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: they teach you in trade school is keep it away 186 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: from oil and grease and solvents, because you don't want 187 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: it to contaminate the rubber and cause other issues. In 188 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: terms of how it's gonna work and track and how 189 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: long it's gonna last, you know, it's it's it's kind 190 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: of like, um, we've mounted a nuclear power plan on 191 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: top of an earthquake fault that we're just waiting forward 192 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: to erupt. I just it's just amazing, and we're trusting 193 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: these guys to design cars going forward that are actually 194 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: gonna work. I can't figure out what they're thinking, but hey, 195 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: you know what I think about what my other friend 196 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: Chris always said, he thinks the engineers designed it in 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: the morning, they go to lunch, they have lunch, sometimes 198 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: it's a liquid lunch. They come back and they go, 199 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: what the heck, let's put it in production anyway. I 200 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: say that all the time. Go ahead, prove me wrong. 201 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Eight zero zero zero. I'm running eating the car doctor. 202 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: If you want to hear more, stick around because there's 203 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: a lot more going on this hour as we get 204 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: to your phone calls and some of the other things 205 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: that happened this week at the shop. I'll return right 206 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away. Vehicle not taking you where 207 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: you want to go? Well, call Ron. He's the expert 208 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: at making your vehicle take you where you needed. Five 209 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: five five zero zero zero And now back to rot Hey, 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: let's get over to Roberta and Vermont Roberta. Welcome to 211 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: the car, doc or how can I help? Thanks? Um, 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: I was, I have some questions about two Escape four 213 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: and I thought that was what engines in the Roberta. 214 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: So I haven't been able to see. I called the 215 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: let the message fifty four thousand, six hundred miles and 216 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: said SC four wheel drive said tell him with extra 217 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: summer tires. Okay, So well, again, which which engine is it? 218 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: If it's the one point five Leader, If it's the 219 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: smaller four cylinder, the smaller four cylinder on that, yeah, 220 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: just be aware of the smaller four cylinder on that generation. 221 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: Escape has issues with the engine itself, head gas at failure, 222 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: cylinder block issues, head issues. Ford actually did a very 223 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: good job. I will commend them from what I've seen 224 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: to date in terms of taking care of it. A 225 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: lot of the vehicles were brought back, a lot of 226 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: the engines were replaced. It could that didn't have to 227 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: be brought back, et cetera. So for it is on 228 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: top of it. There's more than a few bulletins on 229 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: it going back go over the last two years. So 230 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: again just depends on which engine is in it. As 231 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: far as the price. If that's a two lead escape 232 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: all right, and it could be at one point five 233 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: leader with a replacement engine. That's okay too, because the 234 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: replacement engine solved the problem to my knowledge on on 235 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: those vehicles. But as far as the price, yeah, that's 236 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: what they're worth today. Fifty miles on a five year 237 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: old vehicle, twenty grand. That's listen, um. I was saying 238 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: to Tom before the show today. I noticed this week, uh, 239 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: in doing break repairs, the breake rotors that used to 240 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: be eighty five and ninety dollars apiece are now a 241 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to a hundred and eighty dollars apiece. 242 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: They have skyrocketed in the last six months. It's crazy. 243 00:12:51,720 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: It's all the cars offered there pretty well up right yep. 244 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a hundred thousand mile cars today are worth 245 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: a fortune because it's a car. And then people are 246 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: rebuilding him. I'm watching people put ten grand into eight 247 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: year old vehicles with a hundred and five hundred and 248 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: thirty thousand miles on him. I was speaking to a 249 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: fellow this week. He's he's putting an engine in an 250 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: eight year old What was it? Oh, it's a Subaru. 251 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's a it's a ten year old Subaru outback. 252 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: He's putting an engine in it. Well, actually, I take 253 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: that back, he's putting a transmission in it. The transmission 254 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: is eight grand. Um. I actually talked to Subaru about it. 255 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: For him, the transmission from Subaru was fifty plus labor 256 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: to install, uh, plus a couple of incidentals. It was 257 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: around eight grand. And the customers said, listen if I 258 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: have to, because I explained to him how the head 259 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: gaskets or issues. He said, it's three grand to do 260 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: a set a head gaskets, or you know, five grand 261 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: to put an engine in it. He'll put ten twelve 262 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: grand into this eight year old vehicle with a hundred 263 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand miles on it because it's cheaper than 264 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: a new car and it's available right there. Yeah, it's 265 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: it's outrageous. It's it's the current economic condition of the country. 266 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: It's the world market. It's where we're at right now. 267 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: It's this point in time. The other thing I was 268 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: inquiring about his jeeps, is there some kind of a 269 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: problem with He was, like, the last four or five 270 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: dealerships I went to, but all we have to offer 271 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: me a jeep. Um I will say that Jeeps, as 272 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: a rule, as they get older, seem to have their 273 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: seemed to have more than their fair share of electronic issues, 274 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: electrical and electronic UM and a lot of I will 275 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: say that Chrysler is up there as far as one 276 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: of the manufacturers I see on a weekly basis that 277 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: seemed to have more than their fair share of back 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: ordered parts. So you know, Jeep Jeep is writing on 279 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: their name from twenty years ago that they Jeep is 280 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: not Jeep is not what it once was. It's become 281 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: a very electronic and you've really got to be comfortable 282 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: in one. If you if you, if you sit in 283 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: one that shift or whether it's the knob or the 284 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: lever that you push the button and you get it 285 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: to shift. It's it's an odd sensation, but that's where 286 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: cars are today, you know, um bottom bottom lineer Berna, 287 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: I like the escape, all right. I just it's just 288 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: got to be the right engine. I think the two leaders, 289 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: I think the two leaders rock solid. I haven't seen 290 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: very many problems with them. And uh, you know, the 291 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: price is the price. It's it's you know, it's it's 292 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: the like I said, it's the current state of the 293 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: world today. It's just be glad you can find a 294 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: car tohead. I had to say it like that, but 295 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: be glad you can find a car. I've been looking 296 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: for four months now. I wanted to ask you if 297 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: I had heard of red somewhere that you can order 298 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: a new forward and they will build it so that 299 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: you don't have to have all of the whistle things 300 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: that a lot of them. I don't know that about that. 301 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Regarding Ford, I have heard that across the board though 302 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: from other manufacturers. GM comes to mind that in order 303 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: to be able to produce cars, they've cut back on 304 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: some of the options and some of the bells and 305 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: whistles as you say, you know the ones we all 306 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: know about crash avoidance, or you know, the sensors and 307 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: the bumpers comes to mind, and they're just trying to 308 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: put product out on the street. The one concern I 309 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: have is regarding Ford. I had heard this a while back, 310 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: and I haven't looked into it recently, but up until 311 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: four months ago I heard. I had heard that out 312 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: of the Louisville, Kentucky plant, Ford was producing F one 313 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: fifties and they were so desperate for chips and modules. 314 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: They were swapping modules from one truck to the next 315 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: to the next to get it off the assembly line, 316 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: park it up by the Louisville Racetrack and storage, and 317 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: then bring the next one, and bring the next one 318 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: and so on. That they were transporting in that way, 319 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: waiting for chips and pieces to show up. There's some 320 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: pictures floating around on the Internet, the almighty old seeing 321 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: Internet that that that shows pictures of this. Um. I'm 322 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: not saying they're bad trucks, but it just tells me 323 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: how desperate Ford was or maybe still is at the time. 324 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: Four chips. Uh. One of the first thoughts I had though, 325 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: was all those vehicles after they sat in that field 326 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: for what looked like at the time to be five 327 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: to six months. I bet you there's gonna be an 328 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: awful lot of rusty brake rotor complaints and a lot 329 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: of warranty on brakes the pulse. So, um, you know, 330 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: we're not out of the woods yet. From a car 331 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: point of view, COVID maybe over for the moment, and uh, 332 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: you know it's it's gone for now, but um, you know, 333 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: we're we're still in a pickle as far as cars, 334 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: parts and quite a few other things regarding transportation. So, uh, 335 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: you know, keep your head down the cars. Now, Oh 336 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: how much how much time do you have? I you 337 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: know what there isn't There isn't anything. Anybody drops off 338 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: at the shop, right, I don't tell them it might 339 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: be two days. If I get it out in two days, 340 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: that's good. Um. If I'm looking for to tires, it's 341 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: a two day event because I have to look and 342 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: see what's on the car. It's this okay. Uh, you 343 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: know the tires where they were once within an hour 344 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: six sixty hour and a half away, sixty minutes to 345 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: an hour and a half away. Now those tires might 346 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: be a day and a half away. So it's tough stuff. 347 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: Be well, Kido, keep your eye, keep your keep your 348 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: head up and your eyes sharp, and you'll be all right. 349 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you can find something, you're gonna pay 350 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot more for it right now. And that's the 351 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: way of the world. I'm Rondanandy in the car doctor. 352 00:18:29,000 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Don't go away. Welcome 353 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: back in the car doctor. Here at eight five zero. 354 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: Let's get over to David in Maine. Oh, to Mercury. 355 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: Grand markis David. Welcome to the car doctor, Sir, How 356 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: can I help? Yes, sir, Thank you, Joe Show listen 357 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: to it every Sunday. Thank you. I replaced this UH 358 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: sensor on the low front wheel twice and it still 359 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: does the same thing. I've cleaned all the connections and 360 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: check to everything I can know to check, and UH 361 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I can get out of if it's a smooth road. 362 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: The light never comes off. If I heard a few 363 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: little bumps on the road and it doesn't have to 364 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: be a big one, and all of a sudden the 365 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: traction control light and the ABS light will come on 366 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: as as you're stepping on the brake pedal. Nope, just 367 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: riding along the city speed sometime to be thirty miles 368 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: an hour sometimes six, doesn't make any difference. What made you? 369 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: What made you change sensors? Because I got a code 370 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: you know who's got my code machine? And the lights 371 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: come on to see what was going on and give 372 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: me the left front wheel sensory. Okay, uh, I say, 373 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 1: I replaced it twice and UH and it didn't make 374 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: any difference. Within a week or so, we're doing the 375 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: same thing again. UM so I can pull it all 376 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: the side shut the engine off started back up, the 377 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: traction control light will go out. I can drive it 378 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: about fifty six and the A B S light will 379 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: go out. All right, How handy are you? Well? Pretty much, 380 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: I've changed it. I've changed the hubs and bikes and 381 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: the whole deal. All right. So how about if we 382 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: go to the A B S controller and there's a 383 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: couple of things I want to verify first, and I'm 384 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: just going to cover the basics. Uh, you're sure it's 385 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: got the same and you can just say yes, of course, 386 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: it's got the same four equal size, equal diameter tires 387 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: on all four wheels, correct, Oh, yeah, okay, and they're 388 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: all evenly warm. And I've seen these cars be a 389 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: little sensitive to the point that you want the tires 390 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: all within a half inch of each other diameter wise, 391 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: all right, so let's just put some facts on the table, 392 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: brand all the way around, okay, and they're evenly worn. 393 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: So then my next my next comment would be you 394 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: or a question would be can you if you pull 395 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: out the A B S connector from the module the controller, 396 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: just unplug it and look inside, do you see any 397 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: moisture contamination? No? And I don't even know what that is. Okay, 398 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: So the A B S controller from around the radiot 399 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: or somewhere, but I can't, I don't see it. It's 400 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: underneath the air box, if I'm not mistaken. This has 401 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: the big square black air box on the left front 402 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: side of the Okay, So underneath that bracket, if you 403 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: look underneath that metal bracket that you support the air box, 404 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: there's that's where the A B S controller lives, I believe, 405 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: all right. And it's just a bad spot for it. 406 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: And moisture and contamination and crud will get past that 407 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: weather pac connector, and um we'll we'll cause a skew 408 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: of problems of which you're you know, you're you're now 409 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: describing to me. So you know, let's let's let's take 410 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: a look at that. Um uh. You know the other 411 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: thing I want to the other thing I want to 412 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: talk about is you know it is possible, um too. 413 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: If you look at a wiring diagram, you've got four channels. Right, 414 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: you've got a left front or right front or right 415 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: rear and a left rear sensor. Correct. What if you 416 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: take the two and this is this is the part 417 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: where I said, how handy are you? What if you 418 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: took the two input wires for the left front and 419 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: swap them. Oh, I don't know, right front, whatever is easy. 420 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Does the fault follow the sensor? Does it still report 421 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: as left front which is now reporting on the right 422 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: front channel, which tells you it's the wiring leading up 423 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: to the A B S controller. Or does it now 424 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: magically switch to the right front input telling you it's 425 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: the right front sensor which is coming from the opposite side. Says, 426 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: makes sense, So you know, let's let's try narrowing it 427 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: down that way. But you have to swap both wires, 428 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: the positive and the negative. You look at a wiring diagram, 429 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: it'll it'll make sense to you. Um. What I would 430 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: tell you to do is, you know, take a picture 431 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: of whatever it is you're changing before you change it, 432 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: so that you know what you're looking at. And you know, 433 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: so when the phone rings or somebody comes along to 434 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: talk to you and yammer in your ear, you know 435 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: which which wire went where? Uh you know, not that 436 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: that ever happens in the shop. Uh oh please. Uh. 437 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: Somebody walked in the other day at lunchtime and I'm 438 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: working on something in lunch and I was I was 439 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: just knee deep in something and I was just focused 440 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: and somebody walked in and started talking to me about 441 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: so and so sent me up from someplace that I've 442 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: never heard of, and I was like, you know, I 443 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: keep thinking, I gotta put a security guard out front. Uh, 444 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: you know so and I had to stop what I 445 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: was doing and then, you know, catch myself back up. 446 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: So just always position yourself where you are um in 447 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: terms of you know, mark it down. Don't be afraid 448 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: to take pictures or write things down. But that's what 449 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: I would do. You know, does the problem now transfer 450 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: to the right front channel, which tells me, you know, 451 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: it's it's coming off the wiring, And does it stay 452 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: on the left front channel, which tells me it's the inputs, 453 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's the module itself. Have you ever heard 454 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: of the hub itself causing the wheel on the back 455 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: of the hub that takes the sensor. Have you ever 456 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: heard of that? Are if they're worn? If the sensor 457 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: is worn and weathered, all right? It can you know, 458 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: how how does the tone ring look when you see it? 459 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: Or is this is this ensconced inside the hub? Can 460 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: you you can see this on the outside? Right? Yeah? 461 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: You can yeah, um, and you can see this tone ring? 462 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Can't use in't invisibly visible from the outside? Oh yeah yeah? 463 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: Does it? Does it look weathered and beat up? Yeah? 464 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: It just looks stal to me because I just reading 465 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, you know, on the internet, and 466 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: while somebody said something about it might be the hubba well, 467 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: I said, how could how could it be the hub? 468 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: If it's if it's running like it's supposed to. Well, 469 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: because and you have to look at it careful, there 470 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: could be a crack. Um, How can I explain this? 471 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: You ever look at the top of the castle? You 472 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: ever watched King Martha and the you know, the top 473 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: of the castle always had like a square top to 474 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: it had a turret. It was it was high and 475 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: a low, and a high and low and a high 476 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: and the low. Well, if you were to look at 477 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: a scope signal of a wheel speed sensor, it would 478 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: look like a castle top high and a low and 479 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: a high and the low. And it's crisp and it's 480 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: clean and it's sharp and they're all evenly spaced. If 481 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: there's anything in that tone ring, if there's contaminant in 482 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: that tone ring, if there's a hairline crack in that 483 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: tone ring, okay, that you don't see by the naked eye. 484 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: If that tone ring is slipping on the hub or 485 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: on the axle, all right, it will cause a false 486 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: ABS event. Because you know, if you had the ability to, 487 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: and you had the equipment, I would tell you, I'd 488 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: hook up a lab scope, compare the left and the 489 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: right front, and just make sure that we have too 490 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: equally space to evenly spaced, and the amplitude is the same, 491 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: the size of the signal equal on a straight line acceleration. 492 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: And then when you hit the pothole to bump whatever 493 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: it is that sets it off, does that signal from 494 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: the left front somehow change but the right front does not? 495 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: All right? You know you could try that in the 496 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: sense if you wanted to. I don't know if you've 497 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: done this yet, but if you can find a pothole 498 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: in the road, you know, does it happen? Is it 499 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: more likely to happen hitting left front only or right 500 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: front only? So it's it's it's left left front only, 501 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: so you can hit the you can hit the right 502 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: front and the problem doesn't happen. Yep, Okay, I would 503 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: take a real careful look at that hub or as 504 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: I said, I would, I would change that that tone 505 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: the wiring around and see if it's still shows points 506 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: the left front. It's either wiring or the hub itself. 507 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: And you just haven't seen it. You haven't, you know, 508 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: you can't catch it the easiest one right there, right, yeah, alright, Bob. 509 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: I replaced both hubs myself about six or seven years ago, 510 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: both the same bland and everything. So right, yeah, well 511 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: if they if there was six or seven years and 512 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: it's been running okay, then it's not likely that all 513 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden one magically, you know, is the is 514 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: the problem. It's it's it's failed now because of the weather. 515 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: I understand. You know you guys get a little bit 516 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: of snow and corrosive material up there means sometimes corrosive material. 517 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: Yeah when that when when that white stuff falls? Uh yeah, 518 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: so that'll be during the road. Boy, just eat everything. Yep. 519 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: So all right, I appreciate it very much. You're very welcome, sir. 520 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm here. If you need me, you give me a 521 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: call back, you'd be well, you're welcome. I'm running any 522 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: in the car. Doctor, I'll be back right after this. 523 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: Don't go away tell them back. Car doctor, Let's go 524 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: down Miami Way and talk to Gus a Levan Honda. Gus, 525 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: welcome to the car doctor. How can I help a 526 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: ran Banks for taking the call? Um Ron? I had 527 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: uh inside the instrument cluster there's a little led display 528 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: and it said, UM check check gas cap. Yeah. So 529 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: luckily I have a cousin has the exact same car. 530 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: So I swapped out the gas cap ran it For 531 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: about a hundred miles, nothing happened. Hit the forums a 532 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: little bit and everybody mentioned, uh, soulenoid purge vout. Okay, 533 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: So I I go to my cousins. I read the 534 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: oms on his, I read the oms on mine. They're different. 535 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: So at this point I've decided that it is a 536 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: soulennoid purge vout up there in the engine bay. So 537 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: I went went ahead and bought one Norman one and 538 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: took the air box out. UM, took the top mold 539 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: out of the purrige valve and the bottom bolt was 540 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: tucked in very nicely right behind the barbs that send 541 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: the heater hoses UM through the firewall. So long story short, 542 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't I didn't have anything any type of tool. 543 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean I tried with a universal joint to try 544 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: to get in there with an eight millimeter socket and 545 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: not enough room to operate a box and wrench any 546 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: um to operate a box and wrench. So I was 547 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: a little bit frustrated, so I buttoned it all back up, 548 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: take it to my trusted mechanic down the street. You know, 549 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: he hasn't done for me in forty five minutes. I 550 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: was kind of in a rush, so I I talked 551 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: to the check that actually did. I say, hey, how 552 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: did you access that bolt? And he said, oh, special tool? 553 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: And I just didn't have the time to say, hey, 554 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: can you show it to me? But I'm wondering what 555 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: tool he used to access that bolt. I mean I 556 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: tried universal joint box and um, I just and unless 557 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: he had like a salted wrench, I don't know people 558 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: have access. Did did you happen to look as the 559 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: valve installed properly? No? I haven't. Actually, you know, I 560 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: have I have seen guys, um you know, uh, I've 561 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: seen guys take a well, yeah, they'll kind of let 562 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: it hang. They'll take a chisel and smack it off 563 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: at the eyebolt and then uh, you know, all sorts 564 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: of weird things I've seen in my in my day, 565 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: and in particular for that repair. You know, Um, I 566 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: don't know of any special tool to get around you know, 567 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: have I would I take a cheaper wrench or a 568 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: cheaper set up and heat and bend something to make 569 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: it work. Sure, I do that stuff, not all the time, 570 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: but as the need arises. So it might be a 571 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: special tool at that particular shop has. But there's nothing 572 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: that stands out in my mind that allows that to happen. Uh, 573 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: you know that there's something that's that's interesting, He said, 574 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: to take a look at it, because I was actually 575 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, I don't even really I 576 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: could just unplug the hoses and just let this thing flow, 577 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to do that. Well, yeah, I'm 578 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: not saying that that's the right way to do it. 579 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm just they do it, um, you know, and you 580 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: know I've seen, I've seen. You know, guys will tell me, well, 581 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: that's why God invented zip ties. We just kind of 582 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: zip tie it to the old one and kind of 583 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: let it hang out in space. Um. You know, let 584 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: me let me ask you this question more importantly or 585 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: just as important. Did it fix the problem. Yeah, it 586 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: did fix the problems it was now Yeah you can. 587 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: But here let me just tell you this too if 588 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: you want to check, if you want to check a 589 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: purge valve next time. And it's admirable about o ming 590 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: things and comparing specs, because that's what you do today, right. 591 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: You want to know what's a good spec? What's it 592 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: looked like? Um, what you could do is you could 593 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: take off the you could disconnect the purge on the 594 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: feed going back to the canister, to the rest of 595 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: the system. Start the car electrically disconnected. Put your finger 596 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: over the whole. If their suction there with no with 597 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: no electrical applied, that valve is that valve is bad? Right? 598 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. Sometimes sometimes simple works best. Hey, guys, 599 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: stay put, let me pull over and take a pause. 600 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: When I come back, I'll give you two for nickel brother. 601 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere I'm running any of the car doctor. 602 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: We'll return right after this. Welcome back rounded the car doctor. 603 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: Let's get back to Gus in Miami. Gust two for 604 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: Nickel brother. What's your second question? Awesome, real real quick 605 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: with that purge valve back to my other one would 606 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: that affect gas mileage by any chance. Well, it'll if 607 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: it's if the valve was failed and open causing fuel enrichment. Right, 608 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: what would happen if purge valve can't be controlled to 609 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: a degree? It in theory, it'll upset the apple cart 610 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: because it's gonna draw a fuel vapor out of the canister, 611 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: or worse, it's gonna draw a fuel off the top 612 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: of the tank, depending upon how much you fill the 613 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: tank or if you over fill the tank. So in theory, yeah, um, 614 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, do you have a scan tool? Okay, watch 615 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: fuel trim? You ever look at fuel trim? Just for giggles, 616 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, just I have? I have, but I don't. 617 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: I guess I'll do that now after I've changed it. 618 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: But I didn't notice a little bit of bad um 619 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: feel gas miladi on the check gas cut. But but yeah, 620 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna Dawn check that out. Well because understand, understand, 621 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: and you know again now we don't know for sure, right, 622 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: but we do know that when a check engine light 623 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: comes on, the vehicles exceeding emissions as defined by the 624 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: Clean Air Act of by one and a half times 625 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: the legal limit technical textbook answer, Right, that's the fancy words. Okay, 626 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: So logically we know the manufacturers do alter the way 627 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: the vehicle operates and runs. You know, we've seen a 628 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: lot of the goals that if the check engine light 629 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: comes on, ABS light comes on, traction control lights come on, 630 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: vehicle stability control lights come on. And the question is why. 631 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: The reason is because they feel that if the vehicle 632 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: isn't in emissions compliance, it's not operating, it's not operating 633 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: an optimal tune. So they cut back. They pull back 634 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,959 Speaker 1: on some of the engine functions or functionality or range 635 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: of power and range of operation in order to try 636 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: and maintain emissions. So it could all right. You know. 637 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: One of the neatest things that I I see is 638 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: and I can't think of the name of the company, 639 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: dash pack. I should know this because we've had them 640 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: on the show here from time to time. I've still 641 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: got a dash pack, a little module that I put 642 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: on the suburban and I'll put it up on the 643 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: left side of the dash and I'll just watch Fuelturem 644 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: while I'm driving. There's nothing wrong with the truck, but 645 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: I just I kind of get to know what known 646 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: good looks like. So if I think I have a problem. 647 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: I can go back and look at Okay, that's off. 648 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: I know that numbers off. You know that numbers off 649 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: and so on, so you know, don't be fair to 650 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: take out the scale too mean. Look, yeah, I could 651 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: easily do that with my cousin on the exact same car. 652 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: All right, going to my second question. Um so when 653 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: my mechanic and I trusted him, he's done. Hey guys, 654 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: you know what, brother, I'm sorry. Hey guys, I'm sorry, brother. 655 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: I thought that was your second question. The clock is 656 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: gonna take you and I'm up against the end of 657 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: the show. I love talking to you. Man. You call 658 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: me back again another time and I'll get you right 659 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: on until the next time. You'll be good down there 660 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: in Miami Way, Gus and uh again, I appreciate the call. 661 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: Until the next time. I'm rounding any in the car 662 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: doctor reminding all of you good mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. 663 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: See you