Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we cut
Speaker 1: through the noise to get to the heart of what
Speaker 1: matters the biggest issues facing our country today. We've got
Speaker 1: Jennifer Say on the show. She is president and founder
Speaker 1: of xx x y Athletics. She's also a former Levi's executive.
Speaker 1: We found her on the show before she found herself
Speaker 1: in a little bit of hot water, speaking out against
Speaker 1: lockdowns and school closures. Well, now she's entered the fray again.
Speaker 1: She's become a leading voice in the fight for fairness
Speaker 1: in women's sports. That's the emphasis, the whole basis of
Speaker 1: her company, XXXY, to keep men out of women's sports.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about our companies dear Nike campaign which went viral,
Speaker 1: obviously calling out Nike for not protecting women's sports, and
Speaker 1: of course, as her background as an elite gymnast, we'll
Speaker 1: talk to her about Simone Biles, who decided to go
Speaker 1: after Riley Gains. I'm sure you guys all saw that
Speaker 1: Twitter exchange. She called Riley a bully. Even you know,
Speaker 1: criticized Riley's appearance. So why the hell is Simone Biles
Speaker 1: getting involved in this? Why isn't she protecting women's sports.
Speaker 1: As Jennifer out that and then from Minnesota to California,
Speaker 1: we're seeing blue states across the country at odds with
Speaker 1: the Trump administration doubling down on men and women's sports.
Speaker 1: I'll get her take on that and so much more.
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for Jennifer Say, President and founder of
Speaker 1: xx X Y Athletics.
Speaker 2: Well, Jennifer Say, it's great to have you on.
Speaker 1: I ran into you recently, which was great to see
Speaker 1: you and see You're in my mind. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I've got to get you on after the Simone Biles
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff going on. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I've got to have you on the show. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 2: Happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: So, you know, Jennifer, I had you on previously when
Speaker 1: we were talking about you know, you took a stand
Speaker 1: during COVID about school closures and you ended up, you know,
Speaker 1: put your job in jeopardy as an executive Levi Strauss
Speaker 1: and Company. You've now entered the fray again on another
Speaker 1: you know, controversial issue, which you know, really if you
Speaker 1: think about either of these issues, they shouldn't be controversial. Yet,
Speaker 1: you know, here we are as a society. But you
Speaker 1: started a clothing company focused on men and women's sports
Speaker 1: and keeping men out of women's sports. But we're basically
Speaker 1: just preserving women's sports for women. Wh I get involved
Speaker 1: in this fight, I'm.
Speaker 2: A glutton for punishment.
Speaker 1: Well we think, we think like so I respect it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, you skipped my first sort of
Speaker 3: internet flogging, which was long time ago, at the beginning
Speaker 3: of social media. In two thousand and eight, I was
Speaker 3: actually the first former elite gymnast to speak out about
Speaker 3: the abuse that happens in gymnastics. I was twenty years
Speaker 3: out of the sport and still suffering from the you know,
Speaker 3: emotional and physical abuse, and I wrote a book about
Speaker 3: it called Choked Up. And you would think now in hindsight,
Speaker 3: that people would have wanted to know about that, but
Speaker 3: that certainly was not the response I got. And I
Speaker 3: was harassed and bullied by all the sport governing bodies,
Speaker 3: which it.
Speaker 2: Relates to what I'm going to tell you. Now.
Speaker 3: You know, these governing bodies they're not They are not
Speaker 3: in it to protect the athletes. They never have been,
Speaker 3: and they won't do the right thing unless their hand
Speaker 3: is forced and I think we're seeing that now. And
Speaker 3: you see the wide range of governing bodies, from the
Speaker 3: US Olympic Committee to the individual sport governing bodies which
Speaker 3: allow males to compete in women's sports, to the NCAA,
Speaker 3: which has a really pathetic toothless policy in place. They
Speaker 3: just won't they won't. They're they're sort of catering to
Speaker 3: sponsors and sponsorship dollars, and you know, the loudest most,
Speaker 3: the loudest bullies really, and the irony in this situation,
Speaker 3: as far as you know women's sports is concerned, is
Speaker 3: the loudest bullies are the minority, but they're effective bullies
Speaker 3: and they keep the majority of the eighty percent silent.
Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to start.
Speaker 3: The brand, because you know, I have a long history
Speaker 3: of brand building twenty three years at Levi's. I was
Speaker 3: a former elite athlete who's been out spoken and about
Speaker 3: the protection and empowerment and female athletes. And I looked
Speaker 3: around with all the other brands who claim to protect
Speaker 3: women and claim to champion women, but they do nothing
Speaker 3: of the sort.
Speaker 2: They actually treat them with astonishing disregards.
Speaker 3: So I figured, you know, I don't mind saying true
Speaker 3: but controversial things. And I think a brand can help
Speaker 3: make it cool to stand.
Speaker 2: Up and protect women.
Speaker 3: So that's really my goal is to influence the culture,
Speaker 3: because I think the legislation and the politics, you know,
Speaker 3: are downstream from culture, but we've been losing the cultural battle.
Speaker 3: So I want to contribute to turning that around.
Speaker 1: So real quick, I want to set back to your
Speaker 1: first entry into here, being a Glutton of punishment A
Speaker 1: And you're talked up the autobiography because you also were
Speaker 1: one of the producers of Athlete, a, a documentary on
Speaker 1: about Larry Nasar, that that scandal at USA Gymnastics. It
Speaker 1: won an Emmy for in twenty twenty four Outstanding Investigative Documentary.
Speaker 1: But why would you be why would you get in
Speaker 1: trouble for that?
Speaker 2: Why is it second?
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is a guy who was charged
Speaker 1: with sexually assaulting at least two hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: young women and girls. This is someone who was sentenced
Speaker 1: to sixty years in federal president This is someone who
Speaker 1: pled guilty to possession of child pornography, who you know,
Speaker 1: was then sentenced to an additional forty to one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy years in the Michigan Department of Corrections. I mean,
Speaker 1: the list goes on. Yeah, this guy did to young
Speaker 1: girls and women, So why the hell would that be
Speaker 1: controversial for you stand out there, Well, you would.
Speaker 3: Think that it wouldn't be Lisa. But this was two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. It was before the Me Too movement.
Speaker 3: And to be clear, I didn't write about Nasar. I
Speaker 3: didn't know Nassar. He started right when I was leaving
Speaker 3: the sport as a quote unquote doctor for USA Gymnastics.
Speaker 3: We overlapped by one year, but I never met him.
Speaker 3: I wrote about the national team coach who took Team
Speaker 3: USA to the Olympics in Los Angeles in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: who was a serial sexual creditor. He was a very
Speaker 3: well respected coach. You weren't supposed to say these things.
Speaker 3: And again I'm going to take you back. It was
Speaker 3: before me Too. You weren't supposed to listen to women.
Speaker 3: Certainly weren't supposed to listen to these little girls, which
Speaker 3: you know, we were like little wind up, you know,
Speaker 3: wind us up, go do the thing, keep your mouth shut,
Speaker 3: be obedient.
Speaker 2: You know. Further, the party.
Speaker 3: Line about USA Gymnastics being you know, this factory of
Speaker 3: happy little pixie gymnasts.
Speaker 2: You weren't supposed to talk about it, and I talked
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: And you know what the reason I did it was
Speaker 3: because I was suffering. Twenty years later, I was almost
Speaker 3: forty years old and I was still struggling. I was
Speaker 3: this successful person, I was a mom too kids, successful
Speaker 3: in the corporate arena, and yet the fact that I'd
Speaker 3: endured this intense physical and emotional abuse for over ten
Speaker 3: years in the sport, I struggled with anxiety, depression, very
Speaker 3: low self esteem. And you know, I really wrote the
Speaker 3: book not to be a whistleblower, but to try to
Speaker 3: make sense of it for myself and to try to
Speaker 3: expose the issue to protect other young girls doing the sport.
Speaker 3: I didn't want them to have to go through what
Speaker 3: I'd gone through. And it was a long haul because
Speaker 3: right when I wrote the book, I mean, the wider community,
Speaker 3: like regular people sort of read it and looked at
Speaker 3: and said, yeah, that seems feasible that could be going
Speaker 3: on in the sport. But the pr campaign against me
Speaker 3: by the US Olympic Committee, USA Gymnastics, and you know,
Speaker 3: my own teammates from both teams and.
Speaker 2: My private club.
Speaker 3: It's like, this is going to relate if we talk
Speaker 3: about Simo. But you are you are You come up
Speaker 3: in the sport to be seen and not heard. You
Speaker 3: must be obedient. It's a it's a subjective sport. If
Speaker 3: you if you are disobedient, you won't make the team,
Speaker 3: You'll get kicked off. I you know, all of these
Speaker 3: girls who grew up to become women, they were still
Speaker 3: sort of seeking the.
Speaker 2: Approval of their abusers, of their coaches, and.
Speaker 3: So I was, you know, threatening to expose the reality
Speaker 3: of sport, and they didn't want any part of it.
Speaker 2: But I think about this a lot.
Speaker 3: If they had, If USA Gymnastics had investigated my claims
Speaker 3: in the book, and I talked a lot about my
Speaker 3: personal coaches who abused in plain sight on the competition floor,
Speaker 3: if they had investigated those claims instead of villain I,
Speaker 3: you know, villifying me, hundreds of victims would have been saved.
Speaker 2: Over one hundred Naser victims would have been saved.
Speaker 3: But they were already covering up his abuse at that time.
Speaker 2: And so that is one of the things I thought about.
Speaker 3: I was like, they're going so hard after me, they
Speaker 3: have something even bigger they're hiding. I didn't know it
Speaker 3: was Naser, but I tell you the Donna Peters story.
Speaker 3: He was the Olympic team coach I spoke about that
Speaker 3: was that kind of rock the gymnastics world. He's now
Speaker 3: banned from the sport.
Speaker 2: I mean, he raked Olympic level athletes.
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Speaker 1: I s c J. Now did you get any apologies
Speaker 1: when the NASAR stuff came out?
Speaker 2: Now? What happened?
Speaker 3: And you know you don't find this sort of amusing
Speaker 3: is a lot Well, first of all, you know a
Speaker 3: lot of when when the NASA story was being broken,
Speaker 3: it was really not well known athletes that were doing it.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the simobiles and the alley raisements of the world,
Speaker 3: and they were just dragged across the internet. I mean,
Speaker 3: these young women.
Speaker 2: I watched it. I'm fuld on social media.
Speaker 3: I knew it was coming because I've been speaking with
Speaker 3: the journalists who were breaking the story and they you know,
Speaker 3: all the typical tropes you hear, the accusations of sexual
Speaker 3: assault survivor. You know, she was a slut, it was
Speaker 3: what what was she wearing? Kind of criticism. You know,
Speaker 3: these are not reliable narrators, These are terrible women. She
Speaker 3: wasn't a good gymnast, like all this stupid stuff. And
Speaker 3: then within a week or two weeks there were fifty
Speaker 3: credible claims and it kept growing, so then it became
Speaker 3: too big to ignore. But a lot of the young
Speaker 3: women who supported that you didn't even know who I
Speaker 3: was from ten years earlier. But the ones who had
Speaker 3: really tried to kind of take me down for saying
Speaker 3: they just pretended overnight they'd always supported me. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was just like total amnesia, no apologies.
Speaker 1: That kind of leads us too. Oh my god, Simone Biles,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, need more coffee. But anyways kind of
Speaker 1: gets to her, you know, with this latest attack against
Speaker 1: Riley Gaines, who we all know and I know you know,
Speaker 1: and she's been a part of your company as well
Speaker 1: and protecting women's sports, and so she went after Riley
Speaker 1: even made it personal, like basically said she looked like
Speaker 1: a dude. Yeah, called her a bully for trying to
Speaker 1: stand up for women, you know, so that basically we
Speaker 1: should be standing up for these men and women's sports.
Speaker 1: Why do you think she decided to attack Riley and like,
Speaker 1: you know, why not protect women's sports.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a conundrum. I gotta say, No one can
Speaker 3: figure it out. She doesn't really post on Twitter much
Speaker 3: and yet she went on his chair against Riley.
Speaker 2: It's unusual.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are speculating it wasn't her, but
Speaker 3: at this point she's not disavaliant. In fact, she's retweeted herself.
Speaker 3: So I think she stands by it. You know, I
Speaker 3: would go back to the mindset of a young gymnast,
Speaker 3: which is that of an approval seeker. And I think
Speaker 3: in her circles this you know, in ours, she got dragged,
Speaker 3: but in her own circle, I think she's gotten tons
Speaker 3: of you know, applause. If you look in you know,
Speaker 3: gymnastics circles, people are cheering for her and they're hoping
Speaker 3: she does me next. So, you know, I think it
Speaker 3: was an approval seeking tactic, and I think she didn't
Speaker 3: think about it much.
Speaker 2: I think it was impetuous and I.
Speaker 3: Think she everyone she knows agrees with her, and so
Speaker 3: she was probably surprised by the backlash.
Speaker 2: I think what'sonic.
Speaker 3: There's several things ironic about it is, you know, she's
Speaker 3: been this champion of body positivity and yet, as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: she body shamed Riley for looking manly because she's muscular,
Speaker 3: which is, you know, absurd. Who's more muscular than Amone Biles.
Speaker 3: Riley is a totally normal sized woman for an actual woman.
Speaker 2: She's small as a swimmer. So that was just ridiculous
Speaker 2: and mean spirited. I mean, the whole thing was me
Speaker 2: and spirited, mean spirited.
Speaker 3: It's also at odds with the brand that she represents, Athleta,
Speaker 3: whose tagline is the Power of She and all they
Speaker 3: do is talk about empowering women and body positivity. So,
Speaker 3: you know, direct conflict with Athleta.
Speaker 2: It just it's puzzling. She could have said nothing.
Speaker 3: But it also showed very little understanding of the conflict
Speaker 3: within this you know movement, because she suggested that Riley
Speaker 3: advocate for a third category the quote unquote trans advocates
Speaker 3: the trans people. They don't want a third category. They've
Speaker 3: rejected it. USA Swimming tried it, no one signed up.
Speaker 3: They insist on being validated as actual women. They insist
Speaker 3: on invading our sports in our spaces, So her recommendation
Speaker 3: is actually considered quote unquote transphobic.
Speaker 2: By the activist class. So you know, her post also
Speaker 2: showed that she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Really know very much about this debate and this conflict,
Speaker 3: which Riley obviously doesn't and I do as well. So
Speaker 3: the whole thing was just it was like an unprovoked,
Speaker 3: unforced error. She didn't need to say anything. I mean,
Speaker 3: I wish she'd say something and she'd be on our side.
Speaker 3: And you know, people have dug up all tweets at
Speaker 3: this point showing that she does actually understand that men
Speaker 3: and women are different.
Speaker 2: And I know people in.
Speaker 3: Her circle that know her who are scratching their heads
Speaker 3: about this as well.
Speaker 1: Is she tweet out pro I think it was like
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen or something, some tweet about how like good
Speaker 1: thing men don't play against us, we would lose our
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like, clearly she's just like we'd
Speaker 1: lose all over metal. So clearly, you know, she understands
Speaker 1: that men and women are built differently. To your point,
Speaker 1: and I get your point, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: good one that maybe in her you know, immediate circle,
Speaker 1: like it's a pat on the back, you know, like
Speaker 1: you're so brave whatever, whatever. But that being said, bigger picture,
Speaker 1: with the majority of Americans, they're with us on this issue.
Speaker 1: And even if you look at liberal states like California,
Speaker 1: there was a twenty twenty five pole by the non
Speaker 1: partisan Public Policy Institute of California finding that found that
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of likely Californy voters support requiring athletes
Speaker 1: to compete based off of their biological sex rather than gender.
Speaker 1: And this is a liberal state of California where sixty
Speaker 1: five percent of voters agree with what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And obviously California has you know, been a point of
Speaker 1: controversy with Aby Hernandez, a sixteen year old man competing
Speaker 1: in track and field, the spark title my investigation by
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But like she's going against an issue where even in
Speaker 1: liberal states the majority of Americans are on her side.
Speaker 3: She is I doubt she knew that going in, Like
Speaker 3: I said, she clearly was not well burst in the
Speaker 3: issue and the sort of you know, the conflict and
Speaker 3: the data, I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't think she knew any of it.
Speaker 3: She just it was a very impetuous thing to curry
Speaker 3: favor with her fans, and she got it from her brands.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of you know, go girl type clapping
Speaker 3: from her fans. I just don't think she anticipated or
Speaker 3: even knew that the vast majority of Americans agree with us.
Speaker 2: She had no idea. I don't think she's I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: Look, you grew up an athlete and you're training five, six,
Speaker 3: seven hours a day.
Speaker 2: You're not reading the newspaper. I just don't think.
Speaker 3: She's probably well versed in the issue at all. She
Speaker 3: clearly isn't, and I don't think she anticipated it.
Speaker 2: It was it was a dumb move. And I will
Speaker 2: say this one other thing.
Speaker 3: I will say, though, despite the fact that eighty percent
Speaker 3: of Americans agree with us, it's you know, close to
Speaker 3: seventy percent of even Democrats, it doesn't feel like it
Speaker 3: at least that when you're out here talking about it,
Speaker 3: because the vast majority are still silent because of how
Speaker 3: punitive the minority is and how bullying they are. And
Speaker 3: you know, the other side kind of owns the legacy
Speaker 3: media and they own the major institutions, and they own
Speaker 3: the sport governing bodies and the universities.
Speaker 2: And so it's easy to think.
Speaker 3: That our position is the minority position, and when it
Speaker 3: is not. Because so many people don't say anything.
Speaker 1: You've got to take a quick break. More at Jennifer
Speaker 1: on the other side. One thing that frustrates me is like,
Speaker 1: there's a danger here, right. We've already seen athletes get injured.
Speaker 1: We just saw Peyton McNabb, who attended President Trump's joint
Speaker 1: address to Congress, who suffered major injuries, injuries as a
Speaker 1: volleyball player. We saw, you know, a Massachusetts player had
Speaker 1: her teeth knocked out. A field hockey player had her
Speaker 1: teeth knocked out. I mean, I played field hockey, lacrosse
Speaker 1: in high school. You know, I was on the Olympic
Speaker 1: development program for field hockey, and I mean I've been
Speaker 1: hitting the hall the head before the field hockey bault.
Speaker 1: One time it knocked me to my knees. That's how
Speaker 1: hard I got hit. So I can't imagine at you know,
Speaker 1: any sort of increased force at the hands of a man.
Speaker 1: So I think one thing that frustrates me is like,
Speaker 1: there's no not as much conversation about the danger and
Speaker 1: putting men out there, you know, or even you look
Speaker 1: at this Champlain Park, you know, winning the Minnesota State
Speaker 1: High school softball championship with a male pitcher. I mean
Speaker 1: like if he hit a woman, that's going to do
Speaker 1: a lot more damage than if you get hit by
Speaker 1: you know, another woman. So I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: make about that in terms of just inherent danger that
Speaker 1: this is presenting women?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: There's absolutely danger, not just in full uh you know,
Speaker 3: in combat sports, which is ridiculous. You know, like we
Speaker 3: saw at the Olympics over the summer with a monic leef.
Speaker 3: You know, results of that sexcess thing have now been
Speaker 3: made public. He is, in fact a man, as we
Speaker 3: knew all along that he's not trans I understand that.
Speaker 3: But the same issue as at play, and then a
Speaker 3: male was competing on.
Speaker 2: The biggest stage.
Speaker 3: In sports, and so the championship the gold model from
Speaker 3: a woman. That's incredibly dangerous obviously in a combat sport.
Speaker 3: And then you have contact sports like what you're describing,
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, volleyball, even soccer is high contact basketball,
Speaker 3: it is incredibly danger Durissmen are bigger and stronger, and
Speaker 3: I really am terrified that.
Speaker 2: What is going to end this or put us on
Speaker 2: a different.
Speaker 3: Path at least is a very serious injury to a woman. Now,
Speaker 3: these injuries are brushed off, you know, they even brush
Speaker 3: off Peyton's injury, which is a permanent.
Speaker 2: Brain damage. I mean, she cannot participate in sports in college,
Speaker 2: she has trouble with memory, she has all kinds of
Speaker 2: cognitive challenges that she didn't have before the injury. But
Speaker 2: of course they brush it off as well. Sports are dangerous.
Speaker 2: They are dangerous, but we have.
Speaker 3: An obligation, the governing bodies have an obligation to make
Speaker 3: them as safe as is possible because there is already
Speaker 3: inherent danger. And I'll tell you a brief story. I
Speaker 3: competed on the world stage. I was at World Championships
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five and I broke my femur. And
Speaker 3: there was a rule at the time that a coach
Speaker 3: could not be on the podium when you know, quote
Speaker 3: unquote spot an athlete, you know, in case if.
Speaker 2: They fell, et cetera. They changed the rule just days
Speaker 2: after my injury.
Speaker 3: Because you know, while I would have still fallen, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had this devastating.
Speaker 2: Injury, breaking my femur in half.
Speaker 3: So it's the governing body's obligation to make the sports
Speaker 3: as safe as is possible, and they're.
Speaker 2: Not doing that.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why it's not more of a focus.
Speaker 3: But I don't understand why more people aren't just standing
Speaker 3: up and saying this is ridiculous. I mean, the fact
Speaker 3: is the eighty percent stood up.
Speaker 2: It would change now.
Speaker 3: The fact is if Nike said something and they Wade
Speaker 3: and the biggest name in sports, bigger than the NFL
Speaker 3: and the NBA, if they said, you know what, it's
Speaker 3: not fair. Women deserve their own sports, it would be
Speaker 3: over tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You took on Nike in an ad with xxx Y
Speaker 1: Dear Nike campaign. Why'd you decide to take on Nike?
Speaker 1: And what was the reaction to that?
Speaker 3: That's been I think our most viral ad to date,
Speaker 3: or at least the second most viral. The reason I
Speaker 3: did is because I think they are the epitome of
Speaker 3: woke capitalism. The hypocrisy, furthered by this brands is astonishing
Speaker 3: to me. They pretend to champion women and empower female athletes,
Speaker 3: and they treat them with such this regard and those
Speaker 3: have been very public instances, and they treat their own female.
Speaker 2: Employees with terrible disregard as well.
Speaker 3: There was a scandal about the way female executives have
Speaker 3: been harassed.
Speaker 2: There was the Alison Felix scandal.
Speaker 3: And then the Mary Caine scandal, who was a young
Speaker 3: runner in their running program who was abused mentally and
Speaker 3: physically to the point of suicidality. And of course Alison Felix,
Speaker 3: her contract was not renewed when when she became pregnant
Speaker 3: and she was you know, world champion, Olympic champion runner.
Speaker 3: So I just it just rankles me that they can
Speaker 3: make money off of pretending to champion women while putting
Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney another instance, you know, in a running bra
Speaker 3: a non athlete with no boobs.
Speaker 2: To market their products.
Speaker 3: They just they treat women terribly, and yet the public
Speaker 3: seems to buy this idea that they empower women. And
Speaker 3: I wanted to expose that and the response was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we generated with no paid media,
Speaker 3: close to twenty million views.
Speaker 1: That is amazing and obviously, you know, great attention to
Speaker 1: your brand and then also more importantly to the broader
Speaker 1: issue of protecting women's sports. Before we go, what do
Speaker 1: you hope to accomplish with.
Speaker 2: Your company? Well, it's two both.
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to influence this conversation. I want
Speaker 3: to make it cool to stand up and say men
Speaker 3: and women are different, and women deserve their own sports
Speaker 3: and spaces. I also want to empower female athletes. I
Speaker 3: want us to be the only brand that actually does
Speaker 3: it and doesn't just pretend to do it.
Speaker 2: But in order to be.
Speaker 3: An effective advocate, I need to be financially successful as well.
Speaker 3: And I need to make amazing product and I need
Speaker 3: people to want to wear it and buy it and
Speaker 3: be part of that grassroots movement. So you know, I
Speaker 3: want to empower female athletes and build a very successful,
Speaker 3: profitable business.
Speaker 2: Both of those things.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like you're on your way already, Jennifer Say.
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